Baldur’s Gate 3 Controversy Goes NUCLEAR + Another Developer Blames Fans + IGN Discredits EndymionTv
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2023
- Baldur's Gate's CEO responds to criticism, more devs speak out in offence against the game & IGN discredits me, so let's talk.
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Thank you for watching, I truly hope my videos bring people together & actually make certain echo chambers actually want to speak to others outside of it.
As for the IGN thing, it’s fine. I’m just glad my voice is reaching people, and it’s all thanks to you. So I appreciate it immensely.
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By their reaction, I'd say you're right over the target! Keep fighting the good fight!
Have a great day, Sir! o7
Armored Core 6 is gonna set a new standard for action games
Fucking goddamn bg3 spoilers in your video, i liked the talking well enough but could you fucking not?
" *You're just going to have to lower expectations, while we increase the average price for a game by $10. And still slap you with week one pre-developed digital purchase content/DLC* "
Expect less, pay more...oh and we still want to milk you.
I love how our demands are just "dont give us shit games on purpose to make money" and its controversial to them
Bladur inspires me.. My parents said if i get 40K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging.
Meh Blame the morons that throw money at cash grabs. Those lickers spoiled them.
@@namantherockstar - "Bladur inspires me.. My parents said if i get 40K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys"
It's too bad that "Bladur" didn't inspire you to get a job.
@Temulon just report them for spam.
@@namantherockstar go get off your dumbass and get a fucking job. "my parents will buy me"......... earn it yourself.
being rejected by larger games media is the ultimate badge of credibility tbh.
Its not even about credibility anymore, we need to wage war against them because they are literally doing just that on us right now
How do we do it? Our wallet and our money, we dont buy their shit and we buy only products that are on the gamers' side even if we dont really like the game that much
@xGoodOldSmurfehx you had me until the 'even if we don't like it that much' part. The point of voting with our wallets is to vote what we want using our money. But yeah, I do feel you. It feels like they always want to start a war with us, always flexing on the consumers and then backing off whenever we the customers actually fight back. I say why even fight, just don't give them what they want. Which is money.
@@xGoodOldSmurfehxGod you people are so cringe. "War" as if you're doing anything besides sitting on your couch bitching because a game didn't play as well as you wanted it to.
@@xGoodOldSmurfehxI totally understand what you're saying. If I didn't like RPGs I'd probably still buy bg3 to see what all the fuss was about. The game truly is a breath of fresh air.
Now can you imagine how well received cyber punk would have been, had it launched in the state it's at now?!!! This conversation would have been about cdred not larion.
It's a shame they can't understand all we want is a fun playable game that doesn't devolve into predatory micro transactions by the end of the game.
1,000%
Pure jealousy and fear
I hope they keep doing this. Making a list of developers "not to purchase from"
EA and Ubisoft are on mine already.... for lying and frauding .......
Sam I just started mine
And back to piracy we go. Maybe i can even get some nostalgia of the 2000's! Absolute win, guys.
blizzard, bethesda, microsoft, activision, EA etc
@@EmomanTavish Make sure you add 343 Industries to this list.
In a world where you make one of the greatest games ever and do it right and you get attacked by almost everyone.. mad world we live in
I see a ton more people praising BG3 than attacking it. The only ones attacking it are the shitty devs (to use their own phrase) who are scared by how much better this is than the crap that they've been pumping out for the last 10 years.
@@othaneconnor8850 *20 years, but otherwise yeah.
always been that way. People will get envious of your achievements, it makes them feel inadequate.
I never thought that I'd live through a time when making a good game was somehow "controversial".
Wild times.
they wanna say that they cant make money on game that usualy costs between 60 to 100 dolars and need loot boxes and in game store to survive 🥱
It's funny that it has not happened once, but twice
Honestly I don't understand at all. BG3 is nothing special, it is just a normal good game with all the flaws and bugs that games have.
@@plazmica0323Gotta pay for devs 180k+ salaries some how
so it's wrong that fans want to have high hopes for something good and not a cash grab?
Yes unfortunately according to them
This is gamergate all over again.
So stop buying them
It's called "gas-lighting"
They're saying "c'mon, you don't REALLY want this stuff? This stuff isn't good, you know it ... Let me go back to taking advantage of you"
Apparently there are some people that complain about the game, not because it is bad, but because it is pushing the woke agenda… If you like the game, it is not because you think it is good, but because you are sheep part of the masses that support the woke agenda, kinda ridiculus lol.
Players - "What did you do to our favourite game?"
Devs - "Just shut up and buy our crap"
exactly how I felt with Bethesda's choice in how to take the Fallout series. 4 was "ok, somewhat acceptable" but 76 is completely off.. and I am not looking forward to the next, despite being one of the biggest fallout fans. 76 had so much potential to fill in missing lore from the original series too - instead... it became a "buy our $12 blue paint skin" cash grab of a game with nothing but RNG progression. (and since it's release in 2018, I STILL have not got the suit of armor I am looking for.... so the RNG layers are bad.... real bad. Thousands of attempts)
@@xXKisskerXx 76 was never meant to be a part of the core fallout experience. It was made by a different studio within Bethesda using the engine and assets in ways they weren't intended. I was stoked for a day or so after they dropped the teaser for 76, but once they explained at the announcement what it was, I knew it wasn't for me... it's fine if others like that though. In no way does reflect what we will see from Starfield or ES6. My bigger worry was that so many times when they come out with the MMO version of something that the normal game line just dies (looking at things like KotoR) as all the resources are taken away. That doesn't seem to have been the case here. At least I hope not... we'll see in a couple weeks I guess.
There in lies the solution... don't buy the crap. They are responsive to market forces.
The big, BIG problem is that players will do exactly that. That's what sustains the shitty attitude of some devs; knowing that whatever crap they pump out, people will pay for it.
@@jackrylebonclaw7270 Well I think it's because most of the normie gamers and those fans who would jump off a bridge for their favorite game series are stilling buying this stuff. Nintendo is an obvious example, talk anything bad about a Nintendo game and couple of people will come out of the woodwork to defend the multimillion-dollar company.
I think that the only standard that we should be setting is that devs should be striving for greatness, rather than profitable mediocrity.
That's hard, it's much easier to over promise and then just say sorry.
@@LazyartistLastthat’s when they take their time making the game and fixing as many glitches and bugs as possible even if takes a year or two like it did with BG3 🙂
"Gamers shouldn't expect raised standards."
Sounds like a skill issue! 😂
mad skill issue
It's only considered "raised standards" by people who keep lowering standards.
From Software: "Git gud casul"
It's a spending issue, largely. When gamers are content to buy rubbish companies are happy to provide it. Why raise standards when sales aren't reliant on them? If you want better demand better. Don't hope it to be so, wish for it to be so, or simply complain about it not being so. None of those things will lead to change. Stop buying into this crap and game makers will either have to change or stubbornly go under. That might actually lead to a stable new norm of higher standard.
@@kevinarnold8634 Been doing this for 6 years now.
No money for you AAA cash grab studio!
The anger against Larian just shows, how rotten the industry is.
Just putrid all the way down. I think it's been like this since gen 7.
it also happened against FromSoftware when they released Elden Ring
@@Ruairoquai yeah, this means literally nothing.
@@Ruairoquai 🤡
@@Ruairoquaiyikes
Gaming industry: “you’re expecting too much, curb your expectations”
Gamers: “We just want a finished that works on release”
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A finished what?
The devs are actually being smart in terms of their marketing. Not only is it more moral to not charge customers more than once for a completed product, it's what fans have WANTED; therefore, filling that niche of desire is within their best interest too to gain the trust of their customer base and establish themselves at a higher tier in the market. In short, other game developers are being whiney simply because they did not have the balls to take the loss and revitalize their relationship with their players.
thats not realy accurate anymore. it's much more profitable to make a shitty, but addicting game with micro transactions gallore and then catch yourself a couple of whales.
@tommerker8063 small microtransaction games a long a singular title to be very fruitful, not arguine with that; however, it does not instill the trust of players to continue to support the products a developer may produce in the future. While this may not sound like a big deal to us as consumers, game development is extremely costly in terms of time and resources; if your target demographic doesn't buy it, that is a massive hit.
A good example of this phenomenon is Forspoken, while square enix doesn't have major microtransactions issues normally, the game simply was very badly received and they were forced to drop the price multiple times within the first few weeks because they were desperate to raise sales. If giant companies like Square Enix can feel the burn after a new IP has failed, you can easily imagine that developers of any size will feel it when they have a failure on their hands.
The only exceptions that can get away with this are the ones that have a very widely established IP and few original titles. Riot games and League of Legends come to mind. Some accounts are worth thousands based in microtransactions for in-game content; however, the game is so large, and they have made so few new titles that they don't really need to worry. Moreover, the few new projects they have created in recent years are built off of their single successful IP; while failed projects will still hurt them, you can still see that the development and care for lower budget/low-risk projects (such as Mageseeker and Ruined King) are advertised less than the higher budget (such as Arcane and the upcoming Project L).
Tldr: Heavy use of microtransactions to milk players is not a sustainable business model if a developer wants to expand the IPs under them in the future.
@@tommerker8063on the short term maybe
But on the long term, if a studio wants to make more games per say, you're guaranteed to have trust from your customers, and that's not to mention not having to worry about potential legal issues arising from predatory marketing schemes
BG3 devs are playing it way smarter than others by a mile honestly
@@aloe7794 duh, it's not something i agree with, but how suits think.
Imagine making a good game and people that made this years COD criticize it for being too good
It truly is the absolute state of gaming unfortunately
Goes to show how disconnected those people are.
Besides, I think most of the devs who have been vocal about BG3 in this way fail to realise that by them stating all those things, they indirectly imply that they not only know their own game and BG3 are leagues apart. But also that they seem to think that, even with a good team of people around them, they wouldn't be ablo to do this. With or without stakeholder quota's to meet.
Either that... Or that they've given up on the dream they had starting out as devs.
Though it saddens me to think alot of them possibly have simply accepted that making a game this way, with this intent, is simply never going to happen because of the way all of their earlier development experiences never would have cause an event like this. From this angle it almost sounds like they simply lost that fire because of how all earlier projects were managed.
The problem is that it highlights that a lot of current devs, especially in the west are crappy and don't want to be reminded daily that they are not as good as the ones that came before them.
imagine the doom eternal devs shitting on ultrakill
Worse: when you realise the salarymen who make the current COD onslaught were not part of the original team and wouldn't have been hired by them.
How to make the devs and activists posing as writers angry:
1) Never cater to twitter
2) Polish product
3) Over deliver
4) Never blame fans
5) Accept fan ideas
6) Profit
That's too many steps
1) make a finished product
2) no scammy ingame purchases
3) profit
I wouldn't call it polished. It was in open beta for a year and I still can't get past act 1 for all the bugs I keep encountering. My map and minimap stopped working, even if i make a new character or load a save from before i encountered the bug, even if i repair my files, even if i run in admin mode, etc
How about...
1. Put the bare minimum into a product.
2. Treat Twitter as gospel.
3. Under deliver.
4. Blame fans for everything, even the failed marriages of your staff
5. Scorn the fans using everything from socio-political commentary, egregious and pointless censorship and doxx anyone who disagrees.
6. Enjoy the fruits of your labor via another video game crash/strike.
Larian is from Ghent isn't it? So Belgium?
Well said! I can’t believe this controversy, it blows my mind. More people need to make more videos like this. It’s a sad world we live when someone is asked to shine less because they make other people look or feel bad (especially when the other party are putting out unfinished crap). Keep shining Larian!
It’s not controversy. The twitterheads just want you to think it is.
How dare you expect a game by EA to be playable when it releases and not be willing to sit on it for at least a month.
i freaking LOVE the devs squirming at the prospect of having to deliver a complete and enjoyable game.
I think its the executives & specifically lazy devs who dont want to ship complete games.
The game had too many critical bugs or softlock moments on release to call it 'complete,' but it is enjoyable.
They just don't get it, because to them it's about money and squeezing every drop of it out of consumers. That's all we are for them, walking wallets. They don't care about making art. I don't necessarily need the scope of Elden Ring or BD3. But if I'm gonna pay 50€+ for a game, it better be a quality product. It better be art.
I don't love it at all. It just exposes the dire straights western gaming is in. What I would love is if the bastards would improve their standards and stop giving us inferior products.
No one is freaking out. This is fake outrage.
I love that it’s controversial that fans and consumers want a complete game/product that’s not full of money hungry manipulations.
That's not what consumers are saying. They're using Baldur's Gate 3 to attack other games, despite the fact that those games are not privately owned like Larian Studios is, and have to appeal to a wider audience than the niche genre of CRPG.
@@mikoi7472
It *is* what consumers are saying, it's just not what ever consumer is saying. The majority is saying stop selling us incomplete disappointment for ever-inflated prices. Larian is only asking $60 for BG3. They could have asked for much more and most of us would respect it, given the complete product they're offering. Meanwhile, Bungie is still charging $100 for Destiny DLCs and Blizzard is charging the same for a broken product and a handful of cosmetics, both also slapping you in the face with their cash shops every update. We want integrity. We don't want predation. We want the currency we work for to mean something to the people asking for it. Are there some who are telling small-team indie devs to give us what Larian has? Probably. Those people are wrong and they do not represent the majority. The majority just wants to stop being milked and underdelivered to.
@@eechee2979I love when people like you claim to be the majority because you never leave your bubbles. Stop acting like you're speaking for the majority of consumers. It's rather pathetic.
This is exactly what happens in the workplace. If someone works the way they should, the others hate them for making more work for them and showing others how it can be. They don't want to have more work to do. If they hate gamers, they shouldn't create games.
One of the biggest issues (in my mind) is shareholders and their demands for profits.
Every company, organization, or group in general has a noticeable change (usually for the worst) once shareholders get involved and profits start going to them instead of the lower level employees.
I guarantee that if the people making the decisions about the games actually cared about the games, they would be much better.
The issue as I see it isn't even so much the profits as the perpetual chase of growth. We did 2% better this year than last? Better make it 4% this year
You may remember from your introduction to business or economics classes that the sole purpose of a business is to maximize profits. That is their function. Those that fail to do so do not survive. How could your biggest issue with corporations be that they are fulfilling their core function?
In a market economy, when a consumer is not pleased with a product, they should not purchase the product. The market will correct itself if Endymion's concerns are valid and resonate with the majority of consumers. It is not something you need to agitate about. The invisible hand will take care of the issue.
Unless, of course, your concerns do not encompass the majority of consumers. In which case you are crying in the rain.
Yeah, it's annoying that instead of settling for just being profitable, shareholders are greedy enough to demand that profits go up. They want their wealth *now*, instead of their investment being a long-term thing. And thus companies go from being long-term stable to being volatile if they cannot produce more money than they did last year.
@@user-et2fx5ju7p You're wrong. A company doesn't exist just to make money, money is the lifeblood of a company. *Companies exist* , because there is a demand for a product, and either that product does not exist or the supply is not meeting the demand. Simple example being the food industry.
What you said is the equivalent to saying "A human being only exists to produce blood". Which is the dumbest possible way to interpret human biology classes.
To add on to this, gaming is a form of entertainment and that should be the first and foremost priority. When a developer cares more about getting a bigger paycheck than producing a desired form of entertainment, it doesn't matter anymore how profitable that company is, because it has failed the only true purpose it had to exist at all. The same way a human being is not succesful in life, just because they eat unhealthy and unneeded amounts of food every day and can somehow still walk.
Resources are spent to create, not to acquire more of itself.
@@user-et2fx5ju7p Moreover, anyone that rubs their 2 braincells together on how supply and demand functions knows that it is not as simple as "if the product is bad, it won't be sold". That entirely depends on how much of said product is needed, how much supply there is relative to demand, what can the consumer actually afford to pay in terms of both quantity and quality, is there any reason at all a consumer would settle for a lower quality product in the face of lack of supply, and so much more
For the same reason you will buy a basket of apples with half of them being rotten if it's all you the food you can find in a timespan of days, a videogame enthusiast will buy a catalogue of bad and good games because they simply can't entertain themselves forever by playing the same 10 great games and will eventually want to move on.
In this day and age, many corporate gaming giants go out of their way to either make you forget about older games by making them harder to obtain and hiding info on them so you'd buy their new ones (yes, this is actually happening), making older games completely obsolete so you are forced to buy their new game, or to just bloat a game with hundreds of subtle psychological tricks and gags to drain as much money as possible out of the *individual consumer* as cheap as possible.
And that, I don't call that a company anymore. That's just a monstrosity disguised under logos, acquistions, brands and legal structures, with a bunch of delusional egomaniacs tugging the reins as violently as possible.
Fans: we want finished games
Studios: how f-ing dare you
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It’s high-time Larian apologises for making such a good game.
Yeah, how could they even dare?! All of a sudden I feel appreciated as a gamer again! And I have long forgotten how to deal with that feeling!!!!
@@Justforvisitdon't worry, Madden 2025 is out soon
@@rptrrwr 🤢 🤮
@@rptrrwrComplete with $9001 worth of paid microtransactions, plus the free Goku skin for spending over 9000 dollars on premium extras, to really give you that sense of pride and accomplishment that can only be earned by opening your wallet?
Seriously I hope I don’t fail my Network Security class. Fuck Larian😂
as a developer (not in the games industry) I'm a bit more understanding of the devs from triple A studios pushing back on this becoming a standard. The main reason is that in software development, most of the time the developers actually writing the code and making the games often aren't the ones getting to decide what they work on. It's usually someone much further up making decisions in regards to share holders and profits and those decisions get forced down the chain to devs themselves who likely get the bare minimum amount of time to get critical game features working, but likely have as much time as they need to microtransactions and other storefront features working. Often times these devs are not happy that they literally are not allowed to work on the things that would actually improve the gameplay.
That being said these devs who are scared of having to re-create what BG3 has done should be pushing back on their management and the C-suite of their studios, and not be pushing back on the expectations of the players (who are the actual source of income for these studios at the end of the day). We as players primarily want 3 things: 1. a completed game on launch (no massive bugs, game actually playable and no day 1 DLC), 2. to have our time as players respected. Games progressions shouldn't be intentionally slowed with the sole intent of increases micro-transaction profits (lookin at you EA with BF2 and their "sense of pride and accomplishment" for locking vader behind 60+ hours minimum of playtime) and 3. to not have every single new title be live service, if you can play the game solo, you shouldn't need an internet connection to play it and god forbid shouldn't be kicked off the server if lose connection.
Here's how it gets fixed.
Stop buying games from publicly traded companies
then it's the developers fault for being weak and allowing shit to happen. most of the time, the management only cares about profit but it's the developers who gives life to the company. those management morons should just support the developers and the developers should have more fangs to the management if the management fights back. the developers can always find ways to develop a game but the managers may find a good developer but that developer can resign or make their own studio, they're creatives, they should be able to hire someone to support them and if money is involved, then they should find a way.
i'm sorry but the AAA developers are idiots and people should not buy AAA from the start, wait for reviews and if it's shit like always then DON'T buy it.
But as consumers, the circumstance of what the devs are told to work on, and their amount of say, is not our concern...
our only concern is the final product we are purchasing and whether or not it meets our expectation of value for money spent... if it doesn't and continues to not meet them the companys existence is no longer viable...
the developers job is solely contingent on our satisfaction, and honestly it is those very employee exploiting higher ups that should be the direction of your anger and pushback, not the eternally unsatisfied customer...
@@ffejpsycho It shouldn't be our concern, but many things shouldn't be our concern. In this day and age, you either choose to be concerned and take action on things that affect you negatively, or you simply accept it. What "should be" is a fantasy, there's only the reality of it, and the reality is that these brainless suits will simply not change their mind until we make them understand they're going to lose their paycheck and it will not be one single second earlier than that. That's a promise.
@@user-ue1wz7ks5d Unfortunately the problem is a lot more complex than that, however you're right that developer studios shouldn't be used as just another source of revenue.
A+... 100 percent agreement from this mid 3's father gamer... Just respect the value we are putting into the games by not treating us like cash cows... Not every game has to be genre defining. Can't agree more 🎉
Thank you for watching!
im so sick of us getting blamed by big companies for their own incompetence
When they blame, we know it is just work to them. These people don't have passion for gaming or the workspace does not allow them to have it. So it all feels becoming more work to them instead of enjoying what they do. Those people who feel like that should change career or change who they work for.
I like when they blame the fans. It shows what kind of people they are.
@@mad_elf - Happens with shows and movies too. Narcissists have trouble admitting their faults since it would force them to evaluate themselves unfavorably to do so, and blame others as a result. And when you blame others, you don't change/improve because you do not perceive yourself to be at fault.
@@andrewbakescakes9684 why would they want to change? They are making money doing less work. That's good business. In a way it is the consumers fault. Y'all keep buying. How long have people been complaining about the Witcher series? Why does the series have 3+ seasons if it's bad? Because people keep watching. Even if they are just "hate" watching. A view is a view.
Stop consuming and we'd receive better products. It's that simple.
But secretly... I want everyone to keep consuming because the chaos is beautiful from the sidelines.
@@mad_elf - I like S1 of Witcher. But you are right, people are buying crap. They are making crap though because talentless and narcissistic nepo-babies were given positions they should not have been given.
For video games, I am lucky I've been largely too busy these past 20 years, so I get to play a lot of the good ones from the early 2000s now as if they were new.
Can you imagine a doctor looking at your diagnosis and tells you to lower your expectations because he doesn't have as a high a patient survival rate as other doctors.
Yes. I've had something similar happen.
No, but I can imagine him explaining to you that just because your cousin's melanoma treatment was a breeze, due to catching it unusually early, doesn't mean that it's realistic to expect the same of yours.
@@serafine666I see what you're saying. Early Access, and refusing to release the game before it was finished, actually helped the game succeed.
Versus the Industry Standard which is to overpromise, underdeliver, outsource, while also only catering to the rich... is what inevitably kills the product. Redfall, Anthem, Andromeda.
@@wolfrainexxx A problematic Early Access that disappeared into the newer, trendier, worst thing ever this week outrage that plagues the gaming space and gave Llarian plenty of space to basically No Man's Sky their product. If this had happened to Hello Games and no one knew NMS had come out until it was the fun, polished, well-designed, content-rich NMS of modernity, people would have roughly this exact same reaction.
Unfortunately, good fortune cannot be replicated. No future game company can reasonably expect that no one realizes they've been live-playtesting their game until perfection so people will expect the result without the same process being feasible. Not possible, because clearly it's possible since it happened at least one time, but feasible.
BTW, you mention Andromeda. That broke my heart, not because it was a buggy mess, but because they fixed it before I could enjoy the hilariously terrible experience. Those bugs looked funny as hell.
Sounds like Eastern Europe...
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I still remember when Deus Ex was released, one of the absolute classics of gaming which inspired many other games and had a huge influence on gaming in general. Not once, as far as I know, was the game criticised as being "too good". The game was often called complex, ambitious even artistic like a lightning in a bottle. But it was always seen as an example of what gaming CAN be. No one ever said every game HAS to be like it though. It was a positive example used as inspiration.
It really speaks for the gaming industry and how it "evolved", so to speak, when a large number of devs kinda use BG3 as a sort of negative example rather than a positive one saying, yeah not every game can be like that but look how awesome games can be! Like wtf.
When games are developed by people who enjoy playing games, it tends to turn out pretty good, since they're making a game they themselves would enjoy playing.
When games are developed by people in suits who only care about their stock prices going up, you shouldn't expect anything that would blow you away.
I love that "being a good game that doesn't exploit and abuse its customers" is a controversy. It really shows the absolute fucking state of the video game industry.
But it is terrible didn't you know? They have to put more effort into making their games and they won't make as much money and it's really hard 😢
@@linkueicatastrophe9727 It also costs millions of USD too, so there's that.
The indie's usually are between 50k to 700k.
Most people around here seem to forget that the "gaming industry", is quite literally a business. And they're in such a rush to buy the "shiny new game" without bothering to wait for reviews, live feeds, streams, or what used to be popular "renting". ;)
Also it is actually difficult to produce games. You need a mind for reading millions of lines of code. And that shit just annoys me endlessly. It's why I switched early to just script writing and I let my friend do the coding for it. 😅
One can complain about the price of games though. That's a legit area of complaint, including DLC's. (Sims 4 - EA - a massive gaming company.. $40 for a DLC
theyre actual cartoon villains, they have a reverse sense of honor and morality.
not only video games, movie industry, and entertainment industry in general and the main reason is the shitty mentality of the younger generations
It’s every industry now. Companies hire narcissistic bureaucrats (woke people) and it metastasizes internally like a cancer.
By now everyone is sick of paying big developers delivering high price games that are more monetized and buggy than a free mobile game
There are gacha games that give more of a fuck about their players than AAA companies. Many of these games are grindfests mind you.
Holy shit there's 2 Darth Vader comments right next to each other this is amazing
@@Enclavefakesoldieryea, many Gacha games actually work their ass off to deliver enticing products. There are lots of other competitor in their field, they can't risk angering their fans.
@@hafirenggayuda very true. The competition is fierce and they literally can't afford backlash.
@@Enclavefakesoldierlmao u disgusting weeb. Stop being delusional
thank you for informing everyone about these major issue within the video game world
Is that animation at the start Drizzt? What is that from? Now i wanna watch the whole thing.
My expectations in game developers have never been lower. All I want is a complete game when it's released without having microtransactions shoved down my throat.
Same. I havnt pre-ordered or bought a new game on release in the past 5 years. I wait atleast MINIMUM 1 year for a game to be "fixed".
its crap as isint it , not only do we have to put up with broken assd releases that wldnt fly in any other industry but wen we do have to put up with said broken shit and wait for fixs its a wait till they fix things that only affect there ego first . i.e remnant 2 destiny thats just 2 of a bunch i can think of thats too concerned ur not playing the way they want you to play and not if people can play and how well that experience is!
I just don't want to feel cheated anymore by these devs, like most people don't want to feel like. We have gone too long with giving our money away and just accepting the bad results of a bad product.
@BestOpinionHaver that's been my strategy for about 7 years now lol.
@@DC-ml6cv My exception being Mass effect Legendary edition. I bought that on release, but one could argue its not a new game but rather a remaster.
This is what happens when the executives of gaming studios are nothing more than accountants.
Marketing Graduates Ruined An Entire Generation Of Entertainment
The executives are min-maxers.
Executives are just greedy jews
@@tonydalimata i bet theyd have a blast with Path of Exile then lmao
@@tonydalimata minimum fun maximum profit
What is the background video from (the really cinematic one early on with the 4 adventurers fighting a dragon, then a beholder)?
Whats that video playing in the beginning with the drow and dwarf and dragon etc?
The other developers are literally just trying to gaslight the gaming industry
And failing. Retro is the future.
Nah, the customers and the people that really care about them.
@@Enclavefakesoldier "Retro is the future" What a concept. Imagine retro style gaming overtaking modern gaming. Bringing back the pixels and polygons to the mainstream. Something about that just makes me smile.
@@raziel3099 its not the graphics ..modern graphics often are fine,its just the depth
@@raziel3099Low poly horror games became more popular the last years. Would be interesting to see it spread out to more genres
It's not the size and scope of the game that makes me happy, it's the attention and level of care. It's the labour of love. Look, I'd be happy with a dev studio making games using the original KOTOR 1 engine, endlessly, over and over. It's about STORY, GAMEPLAY, and ATMOSPHERE for me, and these things don't cost a lot.
Agree. Before BG3 my favorite game over the past six years is Kingdom Come Deliverance. Much smaller studio, much smaller budget, and smaller game, but absolutely crafted with love, care and enthusiasm.
@@patwilson2546 exactly. KCD was brilliant for the budget.
It's not that they don't cost a lot, (they don't always) it's that they're priceless.
You are an extreme minority of people who play games. Graphics and scope sell games.
@@mynameswouldntworkYou're an idiot. Games are a product in a capitalist system. They exist to make money.
I just found your channel and I’m subscribing. You are very thorough and I appreciate you having sources on screen.
Never stop what your doing, your speaking for the fans here. Gaming advancements and game engines advanced so far but yet quality and standards do keep dropping so its nice to see people rising up and being heard in these triple A studios boardrooms
I love the fact this game is scaring the AAA games.
Elden ring blew AAA games OUT of the water, this game is too, notice a consistency with BG3 and Elden ring? Both are UNIQUE and go against the trend.
@@Lee-bp8sp and both of them attracted A LOT of players that never carer about that game genre before, which is a H U G E thing
It's getting really depressing just how bad these developers want to hide the fact that they forgot how to make a good game.
i don't think they've forgotten HOW to make a good game. It's just that their idea of what WHAT makes a game good is so very warped. Whether by greed,politics,entitlement,etc, it doesn;t matter but i don't see it changing anytime soon.
Most of the current devs never knew how... The old devs that built the industry are either retired, or busy managing and not building...
well people need to stop buying shitty games and support that kind of developers,
Yeah, I wish it were as innocent as that. The fact is, it's just so much more profitable to make bad games, so that's where all the money is in the industry is going.
no one has forgotten how to do anything. our whole society is suffering from a lack of quality and lowered standards due to diversity. children in schools can't even be tested or graded properly because less intelligent children cannot meet the same standards as the children these standards were made for. the original tweet this whole BG3/expecations argument is about was made by a diversity hire. when you fill everything with less qualified people you get worse results.
Where did the video footage of Drizzt, Bruenor, Wulfgar and Cattie-Brei come from? Did I miss a game or animation somewhere. Great books.
What game cinematic is it at the beginning of this video?
This controversy is 100% healthy and was much needed
Bro same controversy been when Witcher 3 lunched and it went quiet then we got pearls like Fallout76 etc... Nothing will change and we get good game once in a while. Turst me new Dragon Age and Bethesda games will be just like we can expect buggy unfinished with in-game shop and many useless dlc that improve nothing.
15 years too late I would say... and millions of idiots wont get it the next 15years... enough time for triple A to milk their customers...
@@rogerpiotr6977 Yea my expectations of these coming games are really low, its not possible that i can get more dissappointed any longer, especially the next DA cant be good, its just not possible with Devs suffering from Evil Abomination... Bethesdas Starfield and also elderscrolls 6, i just wonder how many will be dissappointed, because many seem pretty hyped and cant wait for these. With in-game shop or DLC trash means no support from me for sure.
Wouldn't say 100% healthy, but I agree that it is needed.
Balder's Gate 3 was a perfect storm of "everything going right" AND the company choosing to favor the players over their bottom line.
I agree with Jim Sterling's point that it can't be expected for games to be made to this scale constantly. This game is the "gold standard", not the "standard everyone should aim for".
That said, I do strongly believe that MANY of the practices adopted by this game SHOULD become the industry standard. Basicly, the pro-consumer practices and focus on making their game properly instead of cutting corners for whatever reason. If a company can't afford to make a game to this scale, then they should just scale it down to something they can manage and make that a polished product.
The fact that a game that is actually what folks want and want to cherish causes this kind of hatred and vitriol from corporations…is very disturbing.
The actual anomaly was the Horse Armor's success. The video game industry ran with it, forgot what was actually fun, and started calling THAT the norm.
Baldur's Gate 3 was the standard prior to total biscuit's first look at shadows of Mordor 2. That was the true beginning of the end.
@@mistakai4226I argue that Peter Molyneux started the decline with the original Fable games.
He proved that absolutely lying through your teeth about everything on offer for not one, not two, but three titles, can be normal.
@@Slim_SumoHow did the original Fable game have anything to do with the decline of video games as a whole?
@@Squidberries you've not heard how Molyneux advertised Fable 1.
@@Squidberries Molyneux did everything that's become mainstream in the decline of the industry well before they thought to do it.
Fable is the epitome of overpromise and underdeliver.
Fable was a decent game, good even.
But if you followed "project ego" in development, you would never say it was good at all. I'm sure you can find the interviews and dev behind the scenes clips that they put out for years somewhere. Most of it was magazine articles tho, Fable was right as the internet was on the rise and youtube wasn't really a thing yet so most, nearly all, of the people who got Fable never saw a peep of project ego as it was developed.
The sheer scope of broken promises across Fable 1&2 makes the launch of no man's sky look like baldurs gate 3.
The ability for the developer and publisher to lie and admit they lied with a weak apology, then do it again 2 more times, and STILL not face severe backlash absolutely is the original stage for game development to become what it has.
Peter motherfkn Molyneux, the king of broken promises.
This is the first video I've seen from you, and it's very rare that a single video convinces me enough to subscribe. Your words have resonated so soundly with me, and I seriously believe this needs more views. For the sake of gaming as a whole.
The cutscene that plays throughout the first part of the video, is that some BG3 trailer? Or some other game trailer, just there for some visuals?
Gamers: We just want a fun and working game
AAA Companies: Best I can do is a $70 Early Access
Also gamers after one cinematic:
You have to take all the money from me
@@denchikanchik Good one. It reminds me of this:
Gamers: Do not buy their games anymore so they will learn
AAA Companies during game trailers: It has Ray Tracing
Also Gamers: "Pre-orders even the DLCs"
Dont forget battlepass, mtx, Day one dlc. Oh no why do people dont give a shit about aaa studios anymore ? guess we'll never know.
BG3 was an $89.95 early access purchase for me, back in 2020, because I'm in Australia and had nothing better to do in lockdown 😂
BG3: in early access for 3 years at 60 bucks…
They call youtubers shitty but cant self reflect on their own actions.
I mean I am a little dumb I’ll admit that but I’ll never not speak my mind 🤷🏻♂️
"cant self reflect on their own actions."
That's kind of the main thing the modern progressive left has to offer its acolytes. There's a reason it's the ideology for left wing women beta males and weirdos.
Interesting, so is this a case of projection?
I’ve been loving your content and subscribed. So glad you got recognition-even if they redacted it. Hope you got screenshots!
Dont know you or ever seen a video by you but i am subbing because i feel every bit of the way you feel about this topic. Its BS and bad thing is just like many other things going on in this world this will never change just an example is the vehicle industry. We consumers who make things go round in this world are the last one with a say so or last person that matters.
We don’t expect every games to be Baldur’s Gate 3.
But we expect every studios and companies to be Larian Studios.
Just like we expected all studios to be CDPR a few years back...development time is the key, not creativity alone.
Yes, how dare we gamers want high-quality games that don't come out of the box a buggy, broken mess, have a storefront at the main menu, or pay-to-win purchasing, Games do not have to be the breadth and scope of BG3, devs.
I demand two things from developers and the studios of which they are a part:
1. Respect your craft.
2. Respect your customers.
We will know if and when these demands are met.
Edit: Thanks for all the likes! With the normalizing of monetization, it's nice to see that this still resonates with people.
Except that's clearly not what's demanded. Also, these are publicly traded companies wanting to make money. They don't and will never care about you. The fact you think you deserve respect for simply buying a product is such extreme entitlement.
@@mikoi7472 "these are publicly traded companies" "They don't and will never care about you."
If they don't care about us then we simply take our money elsewhere. We don't owe them anything. But they owe us respect and delivery of good product because they are in business PRECISELY because we invested our money in their company.
@mikoi7472 except that is what he is demanding, and what i'm demanding. So keep on making shit or defending people who make shit. The consumer has a tendency to flush eventually.
@@mikoi7472nobody will go to a resturant where they get disrespected. Nobody will hire your Service when you are an asshole to them.
So why should we buy games from people that view us as cattles?
They are not entitelt to our money. But for 70$+ we are expecting the promised goods.
@@brianking8708 Weird how the games industry is still making money in a capitalistic structure then huh?
What is the mech game showed in various clips? Good video, and I totally agree with your point of view.
Whats that video fromt he beginning with the dragon and the dude who goes Leroy Jenkins?
The number one difference is that Larian's CEO both understands his product and is passionate about it. That is already way more than most companies have.
Well they are privately owned. The second something is publicly traded they are legally obligated to maximize profit for stock holders. The stock market is causing capitalism to nosedive faster than it was already going to.
BG3 is good, probably a 8/10 but still showing signs of the degeneration of modern gaming era. It's got enough bugs, bad writing and pandering that you can see the production was more focused on pleasing some type of audience.
@@OArchivesX Oh shut up. Giving people more options is not pandering. Freaking dweeb.
@@OArchivesXwell yeah. Games are made to appeal to a specific audience, same with music movies books, bloody everything. And that audience seems to love it violently!😂
@@OArchivesX also the games been getting constant hot fixes every few days since EA so tbh they’re track record seems golden by comparison
Actually, i refused to "lower my expectations" a long time ago, that's exactly why i buy very few AAA games nowadays and turned to game studios with less "fundings" but more passion
0:45 Where does this clips comes from?
Serious question. It may comes from Baldurs Gates, idk. I'd like to know please.
What is the companions of the hall visual in the back ground
We, as a community, need to continue to support and cheer on developers like Larian who put fun before profits.
We do...I bought all my friends BG3. Spent about 200 bucks
@@jonahflex1921 the real homie
I've been enjoying Larian Studios games since Divine Divinity. I've had a few complaints about things but largely they are one of the few studios I think that still have a spark of creativity that is just missing from most studios. The other studio is Remedy who has, since the original Max Payne, put out pretty much nothing but winners IMO. Looking forward to the new Alan Wake. I'm a little on the fence about the dual protagonist thing they're going for, but I have faith in the writers.
They put fun before profit... and that gave them said profit. Well done Larian, absolutely deserved.
@@jonahflex1921 My friend. YOU bow to no one! *Bows down before you*
everyone, we need to unite and stop this madness. the AAA industrie is gaslighting on us. how much longer do we want to endure this toxic relationship?
I stopped buying games from EA and Ubisoft over a decade ago.
@GetOffMyPhoneGoogle same. And haven't gave Blizzard one cent since 2013
I tend not to purchase AAA titles anymore since they're almost all hot piles of steaming 💩 these days.
@@cr4zyj4ck Agreed. And now im also against the exclusive game so my back log can get some burn since im not buying AAA games or exclusives anymore
They truly forgot as customers we can tell them to f themselves.
I just wanted to ask about that animation in the background? Is that Drizzt with his companions?
Absolutely
what game is the mech fighting from??
So my suspicions that the big game developers have been actively trying to lower our expectations by releasing garbage, have been literally confirmed by a dev that had been stressed enough to spit it out. Hell, the entire entertainment industry seems to be doing the same.
That is far too much credit. I think this is the best they can do so they ask us to lower. This is their peak. The people with the passion and vision to make great games get pushed out of AAA decision so we get shit. Larian has Swen who will lose money for his passion so we get great games. AAA companies can’t do this, they can’t make great games so all they can do is hope and ask us to lower our expectations
Yes. The entire gaming industry. Because they're all nepotists who share the same collective opinion on things.
@@SirCanuckelheadno they absolutely can do at least a bit better. The biggest limiting factor in most games upon release is time. This isn’t to say they would make the perfect game if given infinite time but they absolutely could make better games if they chose to release less games and instead focused on polishing each individual one a bit more. They just wanna go whaling not make good games so they release several trash games instead of one good one. How good a game they would be able to make if time was no longer the limiting factor but quality of the devs is a different question but as it is now they could put in more time and improve the products state upon release
@SirCanuckelhead It's not even that he'll lose money, it's that he won't make nearly as much if he did include the modern day shitty practices.
@@garykent7642 I guess I am thinking of the time back when they were making DOS and he was living in a car. The man is all passion, he is what blizzard was, a gamer making a game for gamers.
I never thought I’d see this. A game so good, it made developers aggressively envious. This will go down in history.
It did happen with Elden Ring too, but i think this is the climax that led to an all out discourse online the last few days between gamers and devs.
people are experiencing crashes in Act 3 constantly ever since the hotfix lol, w.e they'll figure it out
Tbh i'm laughing my ass off these devs complaining. They want us not to want more out of games, not to expect complete games, not to expect no microtransactions no penny pinching.
If those devs go back to their money grubbing ways they don't deserve our support and I for one ain't buying their games
@@skyMcWeeds You completely morphed their complaints about BG3. It is not about the game being complete or not, or having MTS or not. They specifically stated that BG3 should not be taken as a new benchmark because the franchise and the system is not something that just came out of nowhere.
D&D, as a system and a collection of stories and mechanics is something that has been developing for over 40 years now. Any developer that takes it up has half of the job already done for them - it then becomes a job of translating what is already there into a good game in technical sense. So the developers are indeed right - you should not expect every single game to use BG3 as a benchmark because not every IP comes with the baggage that BG3 does.
First of all, the main thing that made BG3 good is its broadness and multitude of choices and stories. That right there is almost exclusively the luxury of RPG games, meaning that the only games that would fight even in the same wight class are other RPG games. You cannot expect anything on that level from an RTS of a FPS game.
And second, if we talk about RPGs, there is simply no bigger daddy than D&D setting. So tell me, how exactly do you expect some other studio to come along, be it AAA devs or what ever, with a new IP, and be judged with the same criteria?
It's like expecting from a new fantasy film IP to compete with Lord of the Rings trilogy. Yes, LotR did set a high standard for fantasy epic films. The highest standard to date. But it had the benefit of the most famous fantasy writer as a base and one of the best directors and casts in its time. How can you expect a new IP to compete with that?
And that was the point of developers - BG3 is great, but don't expect all of us to all of a sudden start churning BG3-level games because it is a "new standard". You COULD say and expect something like Dragon Age:Origins level of creation (which is in fact what Larian copied with their Origin mechanics - though I think it was done better in DA:O) because it was a fresh IP, new setting, and done by an established studio.
DA:O does not come close in the scope of BG3, yet it is an awesome game. It could not come close to that, because it is NEW.
I play a lot of RPGs, be it on my PC be it tabletop. And for me, both Pathfinder games (Kingmaker and WotR) are better than BG3. I even had more fun in Pillars of Eternity 2. In story, in characters, in setting, in game and level design... but all those games lacked production quality. There wasn't a voiced narrator and every dialogue being a cut-scene. But all of them told a better story, with better characters, using better game mechanics. D&D is notorious for having the worst RPG mechanic in the business. BG3 has some of the most irritating characters I have seen, OK-ish story, and level design where 70% of the level is empty space. You like it? Enjoy it! I wasn't.
So in more ways than one, developers who are saying "don't take BG3 as a new benchmark" are right. I guess there are some who are bitching about it simply because it is popular - but the ones I saw, and arguments they made - make perfect sense.
Just like when Witcher 3 came out, we didn't set it as a standard for RPG genre or any genre really. So I don't know what the fuss is all about. It was an awesome game and everyone just went on with their life. Developers did not bitch about it, because there wasn't yet a toxic audience like there is today, just a few years later. And while I'd agree that there are some 10% butthurt and jelly developers out there, 90% have a perfectly valid point.
If you had it your way, no indie game or new IP would ever see the light of day because neither of those things can ever hope to compete with BG3 and reach the new benchmark. And that was the whole point of criticism of you fanboys.
What developers? Can you name them? Or is it just someone on twitter?
there is one simple rule every market has to abide by "the customer is always right in matters of taste" and i taste nothing but shit on AAA games
utmost respect for your channel and this video. Thanks!
"you should be thankful we even released a game" mentality is going to make a lot of companies go out of business.
Good.
the proper response to that is "you should be thankful we even bought your products"
they should be thankful if we bought it
I hope it does. See how far that gets them when gamers just stop buying their shit. They should be thankful i'm even paying for their bullshit.
I don't want the industry to "over deliver", I want it to respect me, my time, and my money.
This. Game devs need to realize there are millions of other ways for a person to entertain themselves these days with tons of other games to play, streaming services, other hobbies, etc.
What was “standard” 10 years ago in terms of quality, is now considered “over-delivering.” Skyrim is over 10 years old now.
They are over delivering compared to others!
@@crystalwater505 Yeah, GoG realized this a long time ago :)
Love GOG. I always get my games there first.@@dongarippo7279
ALL of the problems with modern AAA-game development can be traced back to the fact that the companies see video games as a product to make money with, instead of an artform the way players do.
This fundamental disconnect cannot HELP but create greater and greater discontent.
It also helps Larian that when they did have a big fuck up the other day (having to reroll hotfix 4), they were like "yeah it was such an unlikely fuck up, we didn't anticipate it, but we should have, no matter how small, we fucked up, we're sorry." Rather than blaming the players.
And got the issue fixed in a few hours.
I love the fact that BG3 doesn't have any micro transactions. Larian Studios has done a very good job with the game. Can only hope more games like this come out
The irony is that the IP its based on is owned by a company that wants to have Microtransactions in its source material, and turn a game that people want to play with their friends face to face in the real world into an online only walled garden where they control everything, while completely missing the point of the tabletop version's appeal being rooted in a game where the players/DM aren't beholden to anyone outside of the table they are playing at....
Games like that have been coming out every year :D Feature complete and no microtransactions, almost every RPG that isnt a live service game is exactly like that, nothing new.
I hope it will bring about a turn based game renaissance. Like don't get me wrong I think BG3 is way over rated. But I love turn based games and Larian does the mechanics of them very well, even if i dislike their characters and story writing. And its success may bring more turn based games to life. Heck maybe some old turn based games will return to their roots, dragon age(turnish), final fantasy(yeah yeah ATB) and I'd love to see that. I'm happy with the no micro transactions complete game angle but I guess the games i normally buy haven't been that heavy into that so its never been a huge issue for me. Like sure mass effect had some but outside the multi player in 3(which was awesome and im not big into multiplayer) it wasn't that big of a deal, I don't remember any in FF7 remake but im sure they had pre-order stuff at least, did elden ring have any? maybe, probably but it was unintrusive enough that if it existed i never felt any desire to even look at their store if it existed.
so yeah it existed but was it wasn't a thing for me to be worried about, the single player RPG space was and so far is pretty light in that regard. Sure eventually they may come out with a gear dlc pack or something, but the game was and is complete without it.
Hey thanks for sharing this. Interesting that your opinions got so much back lash. I think these days we need to redefine the term AAA developer as a traditional no micro transaction game company that makes consistently good games. If these developers know we stopped calling them a AAA studio, maybe they’ll make a better game lol
I am playing it now and really liking it.
I love how the whole controversy is the game is good and making other games look bad
same has elden ring last year
The only ones to complain are ones doing shitty job. BG 3 is not anomaly, it's just a bit better than most of other top games.. There's plenty of role model games: Zelda TotK / BotW, God of War -/Ragnarok, RDR2, DOOM -/Eternal, Elden Ring, It Takes Two, Ori and The Will of The Wisps, Hades, etc - all of these are pushing their corresponding genres forward just as BG3 is pushing cRPG.
@@mroutcast8515the spiderman games and horizon games aren't the greatest games of all time, but they are fun and aren't locked behind paywalls.
Half the games you mentioned aren't polished at all@@mroutcast8515
Game's damned good. Hard to get into because I've played other games for so long but I don't regret buying bg3. Plan eventually to complete it.
6:44 Anybody know what game this is?
Very good points.
It was a super good thing that other Developers started to cry out loud over how bad they are in comparison to Larian Studios. They really exposed themselves. This was honestly the best thing that could have happened.
They learned nothing from Elden Ring's success.
You are so right! Each one that complains wants an excuse for delivering mediocrity.
@@EnclavefakesoldierYeah, because they were thinking that it was 'just a Japanese dev' who didn't do things the western way. There were even western devs taking swipes at the UI and Quest design as if they're some sort of absolute authority on UI design.
But now that Larian is actually a western dev, well, they have to go on the defensive now.
@@Enclavefakesoldier Have they ever learned anything before? They barely know how to code...
Larian made divinity 3 and slapped baldurs gate name on it to steal the goodwill of the fan base. Fuck them
Gamers "we want our games to be fun and work" game devs "your expectations are to high."
Translation: sociopath capitalists blame everyone but themselves.
I can't even imagine what kind of scum you have to be to even say that as a producer of goods no matter what field. I can't see, Mcdonals, Walmart, Mercedez, hell any company say anything remotely like that. _"Yeah I know you can't wait for next years model but don't have high expectations"_
"We want our games to be 120 hours long, featuring 100,000 sq km, running at 8k and 120 fps, and we don't want to pay full price for it. Also we dont really care how you pay for that as long as it's not us"
@@bigdaddychemster1201what kinda ass pull did I just read
@@bigdaddychemster1201 make good games, get paid, make better (good) games, profit?
What is the game with the mechs?
What is the backround video?
"How dare you pay piggies demand actual value for your money!" - AAA developers every single time.
oh they all say that to piggies, until they fall inside when piggies are hungry and piggies aren't picky
It never gets old
Huh? National Insecurities is an aaa developer to you?
The entertainment industry as a whole is taking a beating lately. It's glorious to watch and support the few groups still making quality products. I think we're on the verge of a positive change.
Like your optimistic attitude but the trend shows me its only getting worse
I do hope so, but I see a limit to what can be accomplished right now given the shape of the market demo... I wish us millennials had had a bigger impact on the framework of the industry.
Either way, if the ship doesn't turn around now, I think it definitely will in a few years when Gen Z starts controlling most of the consumer capital in games - we can see it starting and, initially at least, it seems like they are overall better at managing these relationships.
@@Daszkal Don't go thinking that we are the chosen generation. Just do your work and implment the change you think will be good and just pass on.
@pcraft8785 then don't support the people ruining it
I agree and that first step is taking the entire entertainment industry out of Cali which we are seeing every day. Hollywood used to be where like 90% of movies were made. Now it's like 30%. Games are going the similar route now. West Coast creatives have become so arrogant and preachy that most of us are tired of them.
Imagine if this was the narrative of game industry when it was still starting. "Pacman shouldn't be seen as the new standard!"
If these major devs think we give a shit about their complaints, then they’re still not listening to us.
- Laughs in money I save from not buying 'aaa' games -
You are not listening either it seems.
@@kieran2k917 We're listening, but they're being unreasonable. They have to meet the demands of their audience however they have to or they'll have nobody to blame for their failure but themselves, because we are not obligated to buy their garbage products just to keep them afloat so they can keep producing even more garbage.
Outside of some Twitter users, who?
So basically these Devs are mad cause now they have to put in work to make a complete game ?😂😂😂
Yeah, they lazy AF.
That does seem to be the conclusion.
It is rather pathetic IMHO.
If you think about it for just a moment, you realize how ridiculous these companies are. Imagine a surgeon performing a life-saving procedure, out of sudden, saying 'I can't be arsed to save this mans life'. Their all-around general job is game development, and yet they can't be bothered to actually deliver a proper, working product for which they were hired and are paid for.
Should nuke all of them out of orbit asap. I don't care if we never again get a AAA game, this kind of attitude deserves no mercy.
Devs are being forced to crunch more and more by these big corporate entities. I guarantee you they are not happy with this arrangement either. You are being tricked into letting your attention stray from the real culprits, the executives and shareholders that continue to make record profits. They get money from sales and micro transactions, their goal is to spend as little money as possible on a game and then milk it for all they can. Given no organized resistance from the devs, their economic incentive is to force as much work as possible on the devs for as little pay as they can without killing them. Only way to break this cycle is organized resistance from the devs, aka, unionization, threat of strikes.
@@ironickrempt The same sort of thing in Manga. The artists write comics because they love it, so the companies exploit this by overworking and underpaying.
And they get away with it, in Manga's case, because there is an never ending flow of new talent, because the artists love Manga.
Let’s goooo that intro got the sub doing the work for the people 🙏🏼
The important question is where did the Drizzt footage come from?
“Players need to lower their expectations”
The expectations: “wow I sure hope I can play it on launch day”
"Wow I sure hope all the content is here on launch and not cut up into dlcs or an annual pass!"
Lower their prices and I'll lower my expectations
@@elmhurstenglish5938 facts.
@@RoamingPlayer wow I sure hope this game is fun to play 🤣
"Fans need to lower their expectations"
We cannot have any lower expectations...we cannot dig THIS deep!
Any deeper we high fiving the devil.
@@gjergjaurelius9798Or at least we'll run into ground water.
Impossible, we can't dig through bedrock
If they want me to lower my expectations, I'll need a shovel. But if I have to dig anyway, I'm just going to say fuck you and go play Deep Rock Galactic.
Try digging in Motherload instead then
Great video! Well said - the truth can hurt sometimes, but it can allow for self reflection. We can only hope for improvement.
You hit the nail on the head, not that I think the devs of those games will ever stop treating us like credit cards and make good games again, but it is good to talk about how they treat us so hopefully someone in that line of work listens. You get a subscribe from me sir.
Imagine having standards for the products you purchase
Couldn’t be gamers apparently since they keep buying unfinished nonsense
Yet im sure u have every call of duty.all you guys buy these non finished games and then preach,your all such hypocrites
What if we were expected to buy a vehicle missing it's motor, transmission, or the wheels.. worse yet all three?
@@holy9781 Haven't bought a COD since like BO3 or shit game like you in years. Grow up.
@@holy9781 Honestly the sad truth. Even I did this for a long time, but I finally got fed up to the point where I just said "screw this" and just focused almost entirely on 40k models instead. The companies are dogshit, but the only reason they keep doing what they do is because we buy it. The state of gaming is our fault.
The fact game developers are concerned and upset that fans want them to overdeliver is highly concerning
Bru for the last decades AAA studios have perfected the art of delivering as little as possible for as much cash as possible. Hardly surprising that a company that actually cares about what she delivers in terms of quality over revenue is the devil to them.
The fuck is wrong with these people? You try telling this to game companies back in the 90s and aughts and they would laugh at you before breaking a cinder block over their heads out of pure disgust.
Correction: Not overdeliver. Simply DELIVER!
It’s crazy to say that today’s overdeliver = What used to be just “deliver”. The industry has fallen too low 😢.
remember when microtransaktions was 1.99 in bo2 and people complained. now its x10 in some cases and its the norm
Overdeliver? How about delivering what the developers themselves promise? Like the PVE campaign for overwatch 2.. you know.. the reason they stated as justification for slapping a "2" behind overwatch and re-releasing the entire thing? They cant even do that...
Developers: don't compare us to them because they put in more effort!
Gamers: exactly...
Developers should see what people loved about a successful game, take notes and see if they can implement what people loved in that game, or do something similar with their own game. And not allow salespeople influence their games, and actually make a proper game that holds up, not weighed down by paywalls
What do the Western Game Developers and Film Directors gain from blaming the fans for failing in job?
Absolutely nothing lol
A scapegoat for their declining standards and quality.
They gain people not buying their products, if they are not aiming to be better, why would i spend money on them
An excuse for failing
this is a tactic called scapegoating. It's very common in corporations and the ideology that they believe in.
I want AAA studios to admit they are greedy and lie when they say they care about making games.
They don't ... look now Microsoft and Sony they batteling each other for buying studio's for games . ... stop this nonsens let the game studio's be for gamers
The Triple A studios already did. Lawls.
@@zaandamdog TBF.. Sony has Microsoft outclassed on every level, and is merely playing with Microsoft.
^Sony makes Cars, bro. The Sony brand is in dozens of different industries.
Microsoft is just Bill Gates' vain attempt to merk the fk'ing planet's population. (His own words, about population control, and wanting around 400 million people on the planet.)
;) I'll side with the Japanese on this one. They just want money, and doing shots off of some naked girl's stomach. It's a hard life.
@zaandamdog but then who will think of the poor shareholders 😢
What game is at 14:09
Also great video ive been thinking this a lot since not expecting bg3 to be much then ending up loving it. Miss that feeling of actually feeling impressed by video games or just... satisfied
first time seeing your channel, I understand your prospective and i will never turn my back on the underdog.
congrats on 150k bro!