Ha ha you are funny. Just as a side note, try eBay some time for antique religious books, that will put you into bliss :) and, there are a lot of cool Catholic what nots on eBay. Over time, I have collected a few: for example "Springerle" (german) cookie molds (these are used for the Host in the Orthodox Church, FYI. But its an ethnic delicacy from both greek / Slavic cultures). Some AMAZING catholic forms for cookies! The French even do them, but they call them something else. And, there are antique religious medals in real gold (I got obsessed with those about 10 years ago, and still have a few). And, there is even "catholic lace" embroidered with various religious themes (same as the medals for me, I like the odd sample). Some of the old missals have the Feast Day Calendars and a nice RED LEATHER cover. I am not Catholic, but I have been to dozens (countless) Catholic churches and Cathedrals over the history of my life (grew up in Europe, my father was British) and even as Episcopalian, our church is very similar, in some ways its a coin toss. Speaking of which, I have started to email my rectory on a regular basis about various Exorcism related subjects (at the request of the Rector). In due course, I sent your vid on the Timeline of the Church Abuses, it is very calm and rational sounding. More like that would be great! Encore!
@@raleighwooddriftwoodmanor So true! I just picked up a book published in 1933 titled "The Gospels from Aramaic. " Haven't really started yet but went directly to the Last Gospel which is read at every Latin Mass. AWESOME!! PIcked up this leather bound gem for $7 on ebay!!
www.olvs.org/store/bookstore/missals/new-roman-missal-fr-lasance/ might be better... I got new one on eBay but cost more than the above link. Used also on eBay. TM, thanks for the review.
Dear Dr.Marshall I only discovered you approximently 1 month or so ago. I work in a factory here in Ireland. I'm a blue collar worker so my work is very monotonous and tedious. I listen to your podcasts constantly throughout the day. I cannot thank you enough for all I've learnt from you. I also have started to read the book of Wisdom to our children at dinner when I get home. Today we meditated on Our Divine Saviour braiding the whip to use in the temple, a meditation from your good self. May Almighty God bless you and your family. You really have made a big difference to my spiritual life.
Good job Bob, Also from and in Ireland (I will never leave the land of my ancestors). Check out the Sensus Fidelium channel for lots of great wisdom too. God Bless, may the wind be always at your back.
I use my Grandmother’s Saint Andrew Daily Missal 1951. So many Holy Cards within her Missal, I feel as though my Grandmother is with me during the Mass. God Bless 🙏🏼
I have the St. Andrew Missal. I guess I bought it due to my Scottish roots. I noticed that it seems to be more oriented towards the UK, as it has prayers for the Queen and local feast days for England, Scotland and Wales.
I started watching your program a while ago, and have found it very helpful. I am now exploring leaving my Episcopal Church joining the Catholic Church. Thanks for helping us to understand the Church.
I am a product of the Latin Mass being an alter boy in the 1960's. When the change happened and it was very slow but little by little things changed. I longed for the Latin Mass and all of its celebrations that have been forgotten with Vat2, This pandemic shut down caused me to search and I found an SSPX nearby. We have been attending Mass her since Thanksgiving and its like a new awakening, a rebirth, a coming home. I feel I have been lied to and cheated out of my traditions for 40 years. I was told the Latin Mass doesnt exist anymore...I have alot of work to do and feel that I am a new Catholic. With prayers I should be up to speed in a couple years
I have come to believe that the liturgy since Vatican II has lost its meaning. I am ready to learn some latin and go back to the beginning. We as a Church do not promote the Catholic faith by making the liturgy more like everything else (e.g. music (swing, r&b, gospel, hip hop) and feel good preaching, video screens, gymnasium architecture, casual dress, etc.). Our Catholic Mass should be unlike anything else that we know.
The biggest downside to the Fr Lasance Missal is that it lacks the Kyriale, while the Angelus Press Missal contains the most common settings from the Kyriale. Pius XI encouraged the laity to learn to sing those parts of the Mass that belong to them, it is much easier to do this with the Kyriale which contains the Gregorian notation for the Common e.g., the Kyrie, Gloria, etc. This is why I prefer the Angelus Press edition.
Very Agree . Another minus for Fr Lascance Missal is there is no Rite of Baptism ,Vespers,Compline . All those are included in the Angelus Press Edition. Also Angelus Press edition contains Rite of Exorcism ,and the Athanasian Creed which is just amazing. Father Lascance is good from the side for the Old Holy Week and some feast which have been removed after 1955 ,3 collect prayers at every Sunday Mass , and as a Mass Book is good . Angelus Press is good not only as a Mass Book ,but as a Prayer Manual contains much much more prayers than Fr Lascance. Father Lascance has very short Evening Prayers compare to Angelus One .One minus thou for Angelus Press there is no Creed in tone II in the Gregorian Notation on the end of the book ,just Credo I,III … As I Mass Book I do recommend Fr Lascance because of the Old Rubrics before 1955-1950 and its easy to follow ,Angelus Press I do recommend for a Prayer Manual contains much more as prayers outside Mass .
I'm convinced--it's the Fr. Lasance missal for me! Many years ago, I asked my mother about the mass once being in Latin. She dug into the back of a dresser drawer and produced her mother's missal, "My Sunday Missal" by Fr. Stedman, printed in the 1930s. I wore it out and have bought replacements online. ABBREVIATED--just Sundays and holy days with a few additional prayers--so it may provide a good introduction to the traditional Latin mass and it slips easily into pocket or purse.
Thank you Dr. Marshall. We have been attending FSSP in El Paso and keep drawing closer to the Latin Mass and reverent prayer. This is exactly what I’ve been looking for to follow along. Thank you!
Dr. Marshall - I first became engaged with your content after signing up for your seminar on our Blessed Mother. From there, I started attending TLM in lieu of the Novus Ordo Mass. And since then, my love for the Mass and the Holy sacrifice have increased exponentially. Since I’m spending half my time in TLM, it’s only fitting I add the Father Lacanse Missal to my collection. I will say, that when I do attend the Novus Ordo Mass, I have/show greater reverence to God because of what the TLM has instilled in me; it has greatly shifted my paradigm on traditionalism - a conversion, if you will. Thanks for the review and for sharing your love for our Faith.
Love my St Andrew's daily missal from the late 50's, traditional pictures, commentaries on feasts , seasons and saints , best translation, full Latin and English text
Yay! I just received my 1962 Roman Catholic Daily Missal from Angelus Press. Can’t wait to use it at the TLM. Thanks Taylor! Your video was a tremendous help.
Thank you, Dr. Marshall for this video. I had the pleasure of seeing my brother say the Latin Mass last week (he recently learned it). It was my first Latin Mass, so I had difficulty following. But I will purchase the Fr. Lacanse missal after watching your video, and I'm sure it will help me. Thank you again, and may God Bless you and your family. :-) Carmine
Hello Doctor I was recently given a 1945 Father Lasance as a gift and I agree the art work is remarkable and I too appreciate both english and Latin being equal. I agree with your final assessment that I prefer everything t my disposal instead of fumbling for it. Thank you and I will be a new subscriber.
@@PreppyPrincess777 ah ok. I've been a Catholic all my life. I hope and Pray all goes well for you. It's a beautiful way of life when done seriously. God Bess.
Fire Star, try to look for Catholic church that celebrates Traditional Latin mass in your area and ask them how you can attend RCIA, if they have one. I've been attending Novus Ordo Missae all my life and I have been attending Traditional Latin Mass for a year and a half, and I for sure will be attending Traditional Latin mass from now on, unless there is no TLM to the places we'll visit. Good luck! May God guide you to seek the right faith that He wants you to have.
I still have my Saint Pius X Daily Missal with a 1956 Imprimatur by Francis Cardinal Spellman that I used from that very year right through high school ending in 1966. Of course, Vatican II came to a close in 1965 and by the time I was in college in the late 60s, the sacred and transcendent Latin Mass had ceased to exist in my Diocese. I'm going to purchase some "New Roman Missals" for my grandchildren and hope that one day they will come to cherish theirs as I have cherished mine all these 56 years since the Council that changed everything ended. Taylor, thank you for the review.
Went online to buy one. Mid March is when the new Missal will be available. It's being reprinted from the 1945 edition with some new improvements. Just a heads up. FSSP are taking back orders only. Amazon's out like most places. An EBay search came up empty. Which would be vintage most likely and some clown will charge $200.00. Be patient and Mid March is the time. It's really glad to see my fellow Catholics are buying Missals off the shelves so fast they need to reprint them. Excellent and Positive sign. God Bless. 🙏
I have one dated 1959, found at an estate sale I think. Beautiful pictures and looks easy to use since the translation is right across from the Latin. Hope to attend a TLM soon.
@@manny41 I don't think it is. I was doing the daily readings during Lent at home and my missal didn't have all the weeks but I will just look through it at home.
I use the Angelus Press Missal and yes, you're absolutely correct, the cross-referencing is often quite annoying. I love the quality of the missal as you pointed out and I also appreciate the fact that it contains the Kyriale. After this review, I'm thinking that maybe purchasing a Fr. Lacanse missal may be worth the investment. Thank you!
I use the Baronius press missal. It is the best of the lot. The Baronius Press is better than the Angelus Press and is a 1962. Real leather, and has all the readings where you need it to be. Also, BP also has the full page devoted to Latin unlike the AP. For those who have studied Latin, I would suggest the BP missal over any of the other options.
@@dvhanson1962 Get the Baronius Press edition. I have the St. Andrews (1945), The Angelus Press, The Marian 1958 and a Campion Missal. If you are new, and living in the US there can be some advantages in getting the Campion missal. However, it is a large missal. But it is well bound and it large print and excellent paper makes it a very good choice for someone who is new. Make sure you have some extra prayer cards as place holders.
My missal is from Baronius Press. It is a leather cover and Six ribbons. It is I'll bet Eighteen years old and is in my car all the time. The gilding looks perfect.
Forgot to mention "Great" review Dr. Taylor and really enjoying all your RUclips's. Very informative. Learning a lot! Thanks bud. God Bless you and your family.
I have my Aunt's St Joseph Missal from tne 50's. I was i the children's choif a d we had to sing the Mass in Latin. The nuns said that we were going to know it till we die. I can still read the Latin
I use the small, pocket-size Fr. Steadman missal from the early 60s, which I still saved from my childhood. It doesn’t have the propers in Latin, but its diminutive size feels precious in my hands, and allows me to enter the service effectively since I am more focused on "praying the mass" rather than fumbling with ribbons for the readings. In the NYC church I attend, and which offers the Latin mass daily, there are Latin-English handouts for the propers on Sundays and special feasts, which are made available for those using the thin red-covered missal booklets (popular with many). Also, the priest first offers the epistle and gospel properly in Latin, and then again in English just before the sermon. On Sundays, I might use the St. Andrew Missal or the Angelus Press RC 1962 missal, since it seems to accord more with the transcendent beauty of the occasion, and these contain the Vespers for Sunday (in case I attend that later)... but the small one tends to travel more consistently with me.
For those looking where to buy the Fr.Lascance Missal can be found to order off the 'Our Lady of Victory Homeschool' website, just search "missals" and you will find all of these listed for sale..
He's too busy building his One-World Church predicted by Pius X: "And now, overwhelmed with the deepest sadness, We ask Ourselves, Venerable Brethren, what has become of the Catholicism of the Sillon? Alas! this organization which formerly afforded such promising expectations, this limpid and impetuous stream, has been harnessed in its course by the modern enemies of the Church, and is now no more than a miserable affluent of the great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, neither discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world (if such a Church could overcome) the reign of legalized cunning and force, and the oppression of the weak, and of all those who toil and suffer."
@@jongricafort4 ... Obviously it's Truth which confuses you the most AI (but not too I) troll. Did Bergodlio give you a raise yet? Are you up to $0.00113 per post yet? Please, speak pseudo-Catholic to me? Or perhaps more unintelligible babble,eh? Better yet, quote unrelated scripture: it makes you sound like you are a Christian to the insurmountably ignorant...
Dr. Taylor Marshall thank you for your insight on these missals, I know I had a hard choice to make when I was searching for TLM missals, I eventually made my decision and stuck with a 1962 edition. God Bless You I hope you had a excellent Thanksgiving weekend.
We use the Angelus Press Daily Missal at Thomas Aquinas College Chapel which corresponds with the one the Celebrant uses. Also purchased Daily Missal and Liturgical Manual, Baronius Press but use the Angeles Press because the priest follows the FSSP Liturgical Ordo except on Feria days when one of the chaplains uses his own for dedicated Masses for the dead.
I have two copies of the St. Joseph missal, circa 1957. Very similar to the Lasance, so many beautiful illustrations and explanations for each Sunday and the Saints. But it does cross reference. But with all the hands touching it in our family, they can usually be found on eBay for around twenty bucks. It has a few minor differences in the Holy Week but our FSSP parish did the more ancient Holy Week stuff this last year and no one had a missal that followed perfectly.
The problem with the St. Joseph Missals are that they only have Latin for the Ordinary of the Mass, not the propers. However, they were the most popular hand missals back then; it's too bad the Catholic Book Publishing Co. (now based in New Jersey) went Novus Ordo.
Whoa 😮Fr. Lasance is currently out in Amazon! But the 1962 version is available. I hope St. Ignatius Press has it.-Thank you, Dr. Marshall for this review.
Thank you for your video which helped me decide on the Lasance in early 2020 Since then I have also acquired the Angelus Press and the St Andrew’s The Lasance remains my primary missal that I leave in my car, in case I can make it to the 4 pm weekday mass It is not true that Angelus has a lot of cross referencing , same is true of the Lasance which one will find especially in trying to attend daily mass; only solution is to get to church a couple of minutes early to rearrange ribbons; I find I have to use a few holy cards as the ribbons are not enough! I think one should emphasize the fact that the Angelus Press is a 1962 missal so that’s what you get and is probably to be preferred if the TLM you attend adheres to that I have a pre55 mass available to me so my preferred Missal is the Lasance Not only the Holy Week changed in the 62, it lacks many vigils and octaves and the almost daily multiple orations ( upto and at times exceeding3 each of the collect,secret and post communion : these orations are very beautiful and meaningful and express the fullness of our faith) No the Lasance is not perfect: it lacks a very few saints days introduced between 55 and 62 eg Anthony Mary Claret. I’d like to know if anyone found some others Lasance is not perfect most glaring example is July 29 the feast of St Martha where it says “ the Gospel,Jesus entered ( Luke 10:38-42)from the Mass of the Assumption”.Unfortunately when I turn to pg 1160 it has been updated to Luke 1, 41-50, the Visitation following the propers assigned by PiusXII following the declaration of the dogma in 1950; publisher needs to be informed to include the full gospel text for July 29 before the next printing! In addition there are rare occasions on a weekday when it refers to the Mass proper of a common when the page number is wrong. I always verify the correct mass with the start of the intro it One deciding factor for those whose mother tongue is Spanish may be availability of translation. Currently Angelus only one with Latin-Spanish version! God Bless!
THANK YOU!! I am new to the Latin Mass and get lost easily! I wanted to purchase a missal but wasn’t sure which one would be best for my needs. Again, THANK YOU!!
Canadians, good news! It is 2021-11-04 and Sunrise Marian Distribution has copies of the Fr Lasance "New Roman Missal" available for $94.95 +tax. I believe they ship to the United States as well.
I guess it really just depends on who you are and what your TLM situation is. For example, I also prefer to follow only the Latin text (Fr. Lasance +1). I prefer that my Missal have a Kyriale (Angelus Press +1). But my TLM community does the pre-1955 Holy Week (Fr. Lasance +1). But I also prefer genuine leather + quality gilt pages (Angelus Press +1). Overall, it’s a tough one in my case.
Although this video is of little interest to me, I can t but notice how clearly Marshall belongs to another era ,maybe the30's to 50's . You have an old religious soul. 🎩that s beautiful
For me Dr. Marshall, the best is the sspx misal and the reason is because the one I got is the one with the Spanish translation in the translation into Spanish is accurate plus the commentaries and the feast days in Spanish are very helpful to me.
Bishop Sheen's Sunday Missal is the best for me: so easy to go from the Mass of the Sunday to the Canon and back to the last prayers of the Sunday at hand. But it is about mid 1950s so does not include the updates of 1962 (minor point). These Missals are not easy to find.
I would love a podcast about the 1911 Breviary "reform" that gutted millennia of tradition. How did that set the stage for the disasters of the 1955 missal and eventually the Novus Ordo?
This is so interesting! I only have the St Joseph/Catholic Book Publishing missal 1961 😒 Which I assume doesn’t even come near a rating....but I have no problem using it for our Latin Mass every Wednesday evening. I am relatively new to all of this, and a kind older woman showed me her missal and taught me how to use it so I got the one she had. I also recently found a missal by the Catholic Press 1953/1954 ...ITS ALL IN ENGLISH! But follows the Latin. And it has some illustrations of the parts of the mass and the vestments etc...which I haven’t tried to use yet, but it has beautiful photos and illustrations throughout. I am now more enlightened ! Thank you so much. Also I have a really hard time following the Latin because it goes so fast and I am just learning ...so I find myself jumping over to the English very often because I am afraid to miss the intimacy of what is taking place. Any one have any suggestions?
I get to Mass early enough to read through the propers in both English and Latin, then I just follow the Latin while it is being chanted. Epistle and Gospel are read in English from the pulpit just prior to the homily at my FSSP parish. It's a bit confusing and difficult at first, but just keep at it, and it will come. I find now that I love the cadence of the Latin prayers.
First time i even heard about Fr. Lasance missal! Wow thank you for pointing that out. I do use the Angelus and i do attend FSSP apostolate, AND i do agree with all the distractions of cross referencing in the book. Our family does follow the morning and evening prayers in Angelus press, but i will order the Fr. L. book as soon as i can. Thank you!
I use to have the Fr. Lasance's Hand Missal, and gave it to someone new with Latin Mass. Now, I am longing for.another copy as I miss the extra stuff in it. I do have the Missal from Angelus Press, but not really satisfied with it. I cannot afford any new Missals today......UPDATE: I now have a new Fr. Lasance Missal, and get to enjoy it again....for personal prayer, since I cannot get to a Latin Mass which is 7 miles away here in Pensacola area. The 1964 Interim Missal also have the Latin for the important parts of the Mass, though the readings are all in the vernacular.
People call Latin a dead language. How can that be when we still use it at church and in some medical and legal jargon? Maybe we could say it's a fixed language that is not changing. Just a thought. Thank you for the review of these two versions of the Missal.
The best way to avoid the cross-referencing flips during mass is to set it up with the ribbons before mass. If I need to mark a page but don't have a ribbon for it, it will use a sticky or prayer card. I used the Saint Andrew 1961 Missal for awhile but got the Angelus Press 1962 missal and am happy with it. One thing I really like with the St. Andrew is the Morning Prayers section. It contains a few beautifully written prayers and also the Prime ordinary.
My ribbons are set. The problem in Angelus Missal it is hard to foresee when the lections are missing (see p. for Epistle), and you have to flip back to the readings printed elsewhere in the Missal (eg Ember lessons).
Joseph Pietras how do you set up your missal before hand when sometimes the priest uses readings other than that which is in the missal? The last few Sundays after Pentecost are examples. The priest at my church used the readings of so many weeks after Epiphany instead of the ones after Pentecost. I didn’t know that until I actually went to church and saw the readings in the bulletin.🤭
I would say the Fr. Lasance is the go to. You could get the Angelus for those certain days that are not in the Fr. Lasance missal. But that seems minor. I have been wrestling over this for awhile. I used to have a Angelus 62, but mine was not black. I want to say it was white or red? It got lost when I moved to Washington state and have not seen one since. What I love about the Fr. Lansance one is that has more detail and shows pictures so when you are watching, even if you are not fully understanding, you still would have an idea what is going on within the Mass. I have been to a few of these and was blown away by the tradition, something Vatican II lost I think.
Is the Fr. Lasance Missal pre 1955? Does it have the pre '55 traditional non-revised Holy Week? Edit: Question answered toward end of video. Pre '55 Holy Week is included. That's a big plus! Also... St. Joseph's name being removed from the Canon by Paul the Sixth?! One has to wonder, why in the world would he do that? St. Joseph is Christ's earthly father who lovingly raised Him, protected the Holy Family, trained Him in carpentry. Just think of all the time they spent together and all the experiences they shared! It seems that st. Joseph doesn't get enough respect or recognition, he is also a Terror to Deamons according to exorcists. In the old churches there was always a side Altar, one dedicated to Blessed Mother and one to St. Joseph. Since many or even most of the magnificent, beautiful & spiritually inspiring High Altars were sacked, destroyed, cut to pieces, this significance has been largely lost. St. Joseph, Patron of the Church; Ora pro nobis!🙏
Dr M, you mentioned Fraternity of St Peter, isn't it true that the Fraternity would never had existed without the witness of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX? I'd be fascinated (as a fellow Anglican convert) if you and Timothy Gordon discussed the SSPX, which now seems like 'Catholic home' to me after 5 years in the N.O. church.
When Lefebvre by his actions was excommunicated latae sententiae by ordaining bishops without Papal approval priests who wished to stay loyal to Rome formed the FSSP. It was not his witness, but his treachery which caused the FSSP to be formed. Are we going to give Lefebvre kudos for other breakaway groups such as the Sedevacantist SSPV and SSPX-MC to form too? How about the whole host of conspiracy peddling half-wits that make up a large segment of SSPX pew sitters - are you going to give lefebvre kudos for them too? As NATO defense minister once mentioned to me, watch out without Rome they will splinter just like the protestants.... and they have. Some have rejoined the Church other have gone their own separate way and formed their own churches
@@deusimperator - the Archbishop was loyal to the Holy Catholic Church, unlike poor Paul VI, the latter admitted at the end of his life that the smoke of satan had entered the Church. the excommunications were invalid under canon law btw. and no we are not going to credit the Archbishop for the other groups you mention, that was an easy one..lol ...as to 'half-wits' you claim are in SSPX pews, i would say firstly that no Catholic Christian should describe fellow Christians as such and secondly all the people i have met in SSPX chapels are very sane rounded stable human beings. the dude at NATO is entitled to his opinions, I would concede it's a shame traditional Catholics are not more united. however the ultimate blame must rest with Vat II, Paul VI and JPII.
@@marcokite His excommunication was latae sententiae under Canon Law. Lefebvre has to take credit for causing confusion and chaos and leading groups out of the Church. SSPX-MC, SSPX-SO, SSPV are all breakaways caused by his treachery. The Lefebvrists are extremely anti-semitic in their publication. Look at the publication run by the SSPX and their half-witted pew sitters... Protocols of the Elders of Zion would be considered reading material in those circles. I attended SSPX masses at one time, at there was alway an anti-semitic clown spewing some nonsense Hitler =good Jew = satan spawn. Oh, and I am an ethnic Shephardi. Even Lefebvre bought into the anti-Semitic nonsense
@@deusimperator - the excommunication was un-canonical as consecrating bishops with good reason, to be blunt, is not schismatic and not cause for excommunication. your use of the word 'treachery' is inaccurate as the only treachery was in attacking the liturgy in the 1960s and 70s to make it less Catholic in respect to the Mass being a sacrifice. Thank God for the Archbishop's courage and witness. i can only repeat that referring to fellow Christians as half-witted is not a Catholic Christian act. i have never come across any racism, only very well balanced, kind, generous people who love the Catholic faith.
@@marcokite And the fruits of his cult was more fracture and from schism to heresy. The Lefebvrist religion is no different from any protest movement. I have never been to a SINGLE SSPX mass, NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY SSPX mass where someone is not blaming Jews for something or other. Not one. Read the Catholic Family News ... It has the caught the Vennari Disease. The newspaper was peddling special blessings if people contributed the the Vennari Get well soon cancer fund. When he died 27 of the 32 pages were dedicated to making that bozo a saint. It is a cult. He was a paddler of hate against Jews. Always looking under his bed for Jews and Zionists who were running the world.
If you are older like me and your eyesight is not great, you may wish to see a copy of the Fr Lasance Missal before you buy it. I find it unreadable because of the font size and style. Ended up giving mine away to a younger person. The St Andrew Daily Missal uses a bold, block font that is much easier on my old eyes. The prayers in the front of the Missal and interspersed throughout, in Latin and English, are also of great value. You may run into problems during Holy Week because this Missal is pre-1962, so that is something to be aware of.
Non sequitur (except some comments): I’m quite happy that the TLM was saved from extinction, but when I see someone argue that the TLM would have been extinguished if not for the SSPX, I have to wonder if Thomas Aquinas-or any other moral theologian-would agree that the ends can be used to justify the means... Also, if the end accomplished was good, but the means employed was evil, can others benefit from the end in good conscience, or is it tainted on account of the evil means used to attain the end?
I wondered that, too. But, after talking to a priest about it, there doesn't seem to be a clear definitive evil by the SSPX regarding the Mass, and once all the sides have their say. It seems that other issues protracted certain evils. Like the SSPX fighting for the Timeless Mass was fine, but maybe the consecration of three bishops instead of one, wasn't. Of course, the Mass versus bishops succession are two different matters. I guess the question is, what is the relationship of the Mass to canon law, and which takes precedent: the Mass, or Canon Law. Which one is supreme? Once that might be defined, then it might be clear which is more necessary and pinnacle to the Faith. So, it might become apparent who stands on solid moral ground in the debate, and how the historical context of the situation played out on later events. BTW, I really don't know how much the SSPX actually helped preserve the Mass. They may have had a good part, but not singularly.
My big issue is that my eyesight is Not Great, so I wind up choosing missals based on whether or not I can read it. I love the New Marian Missal that the CMRI are publishing, (yes, I know, they're sede, but I ordered it from the FSSP,) because, while everything else is tiny and unreadable, the Common of the Mass is HUGE, and it's small and inexpensive to replace so I travel with it. Baronius and St. Andrew are super-hard to read. Angelus is about in the middle. Lasance is a bit hard to read just because the letters are so close together, but given how huge that book already IS, I'm not surprised. "Blessed Be God" is pretty easy to read, but ONLY has what's required for Sundays and HDOs in the US. HDOs that are only required in other English-speaking countries are not present. But it's small and fits in my purse, so huzzah. The downside to Baronius and Angelus is that, if you attend a PCED parish, you don't have the Holy Week stuff, since the pre-1962 Holy Week has been used the last few years. I'd rather have too much than too little, but that's just me.
Great review, I agree about all the flipping around in the Angelus Press Missal. Could you possibly compare it to the Baronius Press Missal sometime? Love your channel, good information. Thank you.
@@williammagsambol2143 Thank you 'Liam, I'm also Part of the FSSP here in Sydney and I ended up having them both and Father Lasance.. I use the Angelus the most out of the 3, maybe it because Im more familiar and more accustomed to it.
Hooray for Catholic living! Hooray for Dr. M who reads his comments and is helping us get to a place where we can worship with the Latin text. No tin foil hats here, just what is needed to embrace the beauty of our faith!
FSSP parishes/chapels that provide missals use different missals. The FSSP bookstore (FraternityPublications.com) sells the Baronius Press (not Angelus Press) Daily Missal (1962) and the St. Joseph Daily Missal (1953). Some provide copies of the St. Edmund Campion Missal Hymnal (1962 - Sundays and major feasts only); others provide copies of the Angelus Press (1962) missal Dr. Marshall described. Many will have only copies of the red paperback missal which contains only the commons. For those who do not attend daily Mass often, the Campion missal and hymnal is worth checking out. It is larger and heavier, but it is much less expensive, has larger type, has all the propers in one place, and includes a hymnal.
@@jerryeckert106 Thank you ... our parish had at one time or another sold the baronus and the angelus press ones, respectively ... not the others .. and actually I asked our pastor about the Campion and he said it was the first he learned of it ... due to distance I can't get to the FSSP parish most of the week so ... the Campion may be good for me who usually uses the Virgomaterdie and the red covered missal because I find those missals too challenging to use
Hopefully Catholics will only have to worry soon about missal choices or the quality of sermons, not tribal idols being erected in churches. I've long used the St Andrew Daily Missal. Mine was from the time so is either 1937 (with an intro by Abp Arthur Hinsley) or 1940 or 1944, but barring the supplement for local (Irish Feasts) is practically identical to the St Bonaventure Publications reprint available, although sometimes the paper in reprints can be heavier, ribbons too. The St Andrew Missal has superb historical and liturgical texts, particularly setting the scene for the Mass and Office for each Sunday. Fr Lasance is great for learning the Mass, but as to explain what a particularly Sunday or Feast Day means, not so good, but still a fine book. One downside is that Epistles and Gospels tend never to be repeated if common between days, so much page flipping for some weekday Feasts.
This is amazing! I’ve only ever attended a Novus Ordo Mass my whole life and it would be nice to attend a Latin Mass although churches (from where I’m from) in my area only ever offer Novus Ordo Masses. Anyways, I’m just glad I can even go to Mass. God bless you!🙏😊
I primarily use the St. Joseph's Missal - easier to follow than St. Andrew's. Although I have not used the Lasanse Missal, I was tempted to purchase one recently for my 11 year old daughter because it seemed very similar to an older version of the St. Joseph's with the picture exhibits. I only did not purchase it because I was examining it online and couldn't get a good feel for it that way. The St. Joseph's is also pre-1962... btw, to the point of never changing - I even use this missal attending the Carmelite Rite TLM and have no problem following. Granted, readings for certain weeks are off as the Carmelites count weeks from the Trinity instead of the Pentecost... and a few other small customs are special to the Carmelite Rite.
I've been using the Angelus press version for 10 years or so, right enough for certain Masses you have to flip to another page for the Collect for example. It's a help to prepare the Mass in advance and use a couple of "Holy pictures " as page markers. But yes, it can be a bit distracting. Some beautiful Prayers for before and after Communion which I suppose are in the other Missel.
I was thinking the same thing. I live in Cincinnati, and we are blessed with several different archdioceses that support the latin mass. I thought about what I would do if we were to ever move away in our retirement. I have grown to love this mass dearly. Good luck!
I have Saint Andrew Daily MissL BY Dom Gasper Lefebvre O.S.B. of the Abbey of St. Andre,1940 Leather. + Mariam Missal For Daily Mass by Sylvester P. Juergens, S.M. Doctor of Sacred Theology, 1950 Leather + included - My daily Thought From The Following Of Christ.😊💗
If you want the Father Lacanse Missal, it's here at amazon.com: amzn.to/2CkBSms
Ha ha you are funny. Just as a side note, try eBay some time for antique religious books, that will put you into bliss :) and, there are a lot of cool Catholic what nots on eBay. Over time, I have collected a few: for example "Springerle" (german) cookie molds (these are used for the Host in the Orthodox Church, FYI. But its an ethnic delicacy from both greek / Slavic cultures). Some AMAZING catholic forms for cookies! The French even do them, but they call them something else. And, there are antique religious medals in real gold (I got obsessed with those about 10 years ago, and still have a few). And, there is even "catholic lace" embroidered with various religious themes (same as the medals for me, I like the odd sample). Some of the old missals have the Feast Day Calendars and a nice RED LEATHER cover.
I am not Catholic, but I have been to dozens (countless) Catholic churches and Cathedrals over the history of my life (grew up in Europe, my father was British) and even as Episcopalian, our church is very similar, in some ways its a coin toss. Speaking of which, I have started to email my rectory on a regular basis about various Exorcism related subjects (at the request of the Rector). In due course, I sent your vid on the Timeline of the Church Abuses, it is very calm and rational sounding. More like that would be great! Encore!
@@raleighwooddriftwoodmanor So true! I just picked up a book published in 1933 titled "The Gospels from Aramaic. " Haven't really started yet but went directly to the Last Gospel which is read at every Latin Mass. AWESOME!! PIcked up this leather bound gem for $7 on ebay!!
www.olvs.org/store/bookstore/missals/new-roman-missal-fr-lasance/
might be better...
I got new one on eBay but cost more than the above link. Used also on eBay.
TM, thanks for the review.
Dr.Taylor, the Missal is out of stock. you really motivated me to buy this missal. hope amazon restocks it.
Dr. Taylor. Really enjoying your channel. What is your position regarding the SSPX? Thanks.
Dear Dr.Marshall I only discovered you approximently 1 month or so ago. I work in a factory here in Ireland. I'm a blue collar worker so my work is very monotonous and tedious. I listen to your podcasts constantly throughout the day. I cannot thank you enough for all I've learnt from you. I also have started to read the book of Wisdom to our children at dinner when I get home. Today we meditated on Our Divine Saviour braiding the whip to use in the temple, a meditation from your good self. May Almighty God bless you and your family. You really have made a big difference to my spiritual life.
This is wonderful. Both my Maternal grandmothers are Irish. I hope to make there one day and perhaps meet you.
God Bless! Just got back from Dublin a few months ago. Family lives in Cork. I am praying for you.
Good job Bob, Also from and in Ireland (I will never leave the land of my ancestors). Check out the Sensus Fidelium channel for lots of great wisdom too. God Bless, may the wind be always at your back.
I use my Grandmother’s Saint Andrew Daily Missal 1951. So many Holy Cards within her Missal, I feel as though my Grandmother is with me during the Mass. God Bless 🙏🏼
I think that's because she *is* 💕
Blessings to you dear, to remember your grandmother so. Fr. Arturo Old Catholic priest [ who says the Latin mass daily]
I have the St. Andrew Missal. I guess I bought it due to my Scottish roots. I noticed that it seems to be more oriented towards the UK, as it has prayers for the Queen and local feast days for England, Scotland and Wales.
arturo armonda TY Father God Bless You.
Robin Poe mine has prayers for the United States.
I started watching your program a while ago, and have found it very helpful. I am now exploring leaving my Episcopal Church joining the Catholic Church. Thanks for helping us to understand the Church.
I was once Episcopalians priest. Welcome home!!!
Did you join?
@@shredder9536 sure did.
I am a product of the Latin Mass being an alter boy in the 1960's. When the change happened and it was very slow but little by little things changed. I longed for the Latin Mass and all of its celebrations that have been forgotten with Vat2, This pandemic shut down caused me to search and I found an SSPX nearby. We have been attending Mass her since Thanksgiving and its like a new awakening, a rebirth, a coming home. I feel I have been lied to and cheated out of my traditions for 40 years. I was told the Latin Mass doesnt exist anymore...I have alot of work to do and feel that I am a new Catholic. With prayers I should be up to speed in a couple years
The very best and correct Missal is the Vulgata😮, other Catholic Missals are good, but some maybe copies of the Vulgata
Blessed art thou.❤❤❤
Nice!
I have come to believe that the liturgy since Vatican II has lost its meaning. I am ready to learn some latin and go back to the beginning. We as a Church do not promote the Catholic faith by making the liturgy more like everything else (e.g. music (swing, r&b, gospel, hip hop) and feel good preaching, video screens, gymnasium architecture, casual dress, etc.). Our Catholic Mass should be unlike anything else that we know.
Wow. Well said!
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The biggest downside to the Fr Lasance Missal is that it lacks the Kyriale, while the Angelus Press Missal contains the most common settings from the Kyriale. Pius XI encouraged the laity to learn to sing those parts of the Mass that belong to them, it is much easier to do this with the Kyriale which contains the Gregorian notation for the Common e.g., the Kyrie, Gloria, etc. This is why I prefer the Angelus Press edition.
Very Agree . Another minus for Fr Lascance Missal is there is no Rite of Baptism ,Vespers,Compline . All those are included in the Angelus Press Edition. Also Angelus Press edition contains Rite of Exorcism ,and the Athanasian Creed which is just amazing. Father Lascance is good from the side for the Old Holy Week and some feast which have been removed after 1955 ,3 collect prayers at every Sunday Mass , and as a Mass Book is good . Angelus Press is good not only as a Mass Book ,but as a Prayer Manual contains much much more prayers than Fr Lascance. Father Lascance has very short Evening Prayers compare to Angelus One .One minus thou for Angelus Press there is no Creed in tone II in the Gregorian Notation on the end of the book ,just Credo I,III … As I Mass Book I do recommend Fr Lascance because of the Old Rubrics before 1955-1950 and its easy to follow ,Angelus Press I do recommend for a Prayer Manual contains much more as prayers outside Mass .
I'm convinced--it's the Fr. Lasance missal for me! Many years ago, I asked my mother about the mass once being in Latin. She dug into the back of a dresser drawer and produced her mother's missal, "My Sunday Missal" by Fr. Stedman, printed in the 1930s. I wore it out and have bought replacements online. ABBREVIATED--just Sundays and holy days with a few additional prayers--so it may provide a good introduction to the traditional Latin mass and it slips easily into pocket or purse.
Thank you Dr. Marshall. We have been attending FSSP in El Paso and keep drawing closer to the Latin Mass and reverent prayer. This is exactly what I’ve been looking for to follow along. Thank you!
Dr. Marshall - I first became engaged with your content after signing up for your seminar on our Blessed Mother. From there, I started attending TLM in lieu of the Novus Ordo Mass. And since then, my love for the Mass and the Holy sacrifice have increased exponentially. Since I’m spending half my time in TLM, it’s only fitting I add the Father Lacanse Missal to my collection. I will say, that when I do attend the Novus Ordo Mass, I have/show greater reverence to God because of what the TLM has instilled in me; it has greatly shifted my paradigm on traditionalism - a conversion, if you will. Thanks for the review and for sharing your love for our Faith.
Love my St Andrew's daily missal from the late 50's, traditional pictures, commentaries on feasts , seasons and saints , best translation, full Latin and English text
I have one from 1959 and still use it. I had it rebound in the 1980's.
Perfect timing! After 6 months of attending the TLM I have decided to invest in my own copy!
Yay! I just received my 1962 Roman Catholic Daily Missal from Angelus Press. Can’t wait to use it at the TLM. Thanks Taylor! Your video was a tremendous help.
Thank you, Dr. Marshall for this video. I had the pleasure of seeing my brother say the Latin Mass last week (he recently learned it). It was my first Latin Mass, so I had difficulty following. But I will purchase the Fr. Lacanse missal after watching your video, and I'm sure it will help me. Thank you again, and may God Bless you and your family. :-) Carmine
This rundown helped, I just hate how hard it is to get the Fr. Lasance but at the same time it makes me happy because it means it's in DEMAND.
Hello Doctor I was recently given a 1945 Father Lasance as a gift and I agree the art work is remarkable and I too appreciate both english and Latin being equal. I agree with your final assessment that I prefer everything t my disposal instead of fumbling for it. Thank you and I will be a new subscriber.
This is so AWESOME!!!!!! I was just wondering about the missal and need more information and here it is! Praise be to God!!!!!💕💕💕💕💕
Hi there, a Missel is essential if you assist at the Latin Mass. Some beautiful Prayers for before and after Communion. Cheers.
John Harkness I don’t assist, I’m in RCIA class and wish to know more about the faith.
@@PreppyPrincess777 ah ok. I've been a Catholic all my life. I hope and Pray all goes well for you. It's a beautiful way of life when done seriously. God Bess.
Fire Star Hi there! Please check out the site, www.fisheaters.com it’s very comprehensive and informative! God bless you! 😊
Fire Star, try to look for Catholic church that celebrates Traditional Latin mass in your area and ask them how you can attend RCIA, if they have one. I've been attending Novus Ordo Missae all my life and I have been attending Traditional Latin Mass for a year and a half, and I for sure will be attending Traditional Latin mass from now on, unless there is no TLM to the places we'll visit. Good luck! May God guide you to seek the right faith that He wants you to have.
I still have my Saint Pius X Daily Missal with a 1956 Imprimatur by Francis Cardinal Spellman that I used from that very year right through high school ending in 1966. Of course, Vatican II came to a close in 1965 and by the time I was in college in the late 60s, the sacred and transcendent Latin Mass had ceased to exist in my Diocese. I'm going to purchase some "New Roman Missals" for my grandchildren and hope that one day they will come to cherish theirs as I have cherished mine all these 56 years since the Council that changed everything ended. Taylor, thank you for the review.
Went online to buy one. Mid March is when the new Missal will be available. It's being reprinted from the 1945 edition with some new improvements. Just a heads up. FSSP are taking back orders only. Amazon's out like most places. An EBay search came up empty. Which would be vintage most likely and some clown will charge $200.00. Be patient and Mid March is the time. It's really glad to see my fellow Catholics are buying Missals off the shelves so fast they need to reprint them. Excellent and Positive sign. God Bless. 🙏
I have St. Joseph Daily Missal 1953
Now please teach me where to put the ribbons lol. Attended my first Latin Mass at a Carmelite Monastery in the area. It was beautiful ❤🙏❤
Me too
Sarah, there are excellent videos on how to best place your ribbons for seamless worship during Mass here on RUclips!
St Joseph Daily Missal is my favorite missal . It’s easy to use and has pictures
I have one dated 1959, found at an estate sale I think. Beautiful pictures and looks easy to use since the translation is right across from the Latin. Hope to attend a TLM soon.
@@pettylove86 do you think it is a good substitute for the ones mentioned in the video?
@@manny41 I don't think it is. I was doing the daily readings during Lent at home and my missal didn't have all the weeks but I will just look through it at home.
note to self + make or buy additional ribbon markers for the Angeles Missal and prepare place markers ahead of the mass.
(Thank-you for this review.)
8 children wow what a blessing I dream of this
I use the Angelus Press Missal and yes, you're absolutely correct, the cross-referencing is often quite annoying. I love the quality of the missal as you pointed out and I also appreciate the fact that it contains the Kyriale. After this review, I'm thinking that maybe purchasing a Fr. Lacanse missal may be worth the investment. Thank you!
I use the Baronius press missal. It is the best of the lot. The Baronius Press is better than the Angelus Press and is a 1962. Real leather, and has all the readings where you need it to be. Also, BP also has the full page devoted to Latin unlike the AP. For those who have studied Latin, I would suggest the BP missal over any of the other options.
Yup.
So you are saying that this would be perfect for a new Catholic such as myself?
@@dvhanson1962 Get the Baronius Press edition. I have the St. Andrews (1945), The Angelus Press, The Marian 1958 and a Campion Missal.
If you are new, and living in the US there can be some advantages in getting the Campion missal. However, it is a large missal. But it is well bound and it large print and excellent paper makes it a very good choice for someone who is new. Make sure you have some extra prayer cards as place holders.
Agreed . BP is the cream of the crop .
Thank you everyone for responding. I'll order the BP on payday.
Thanks a million for this, Dr. Marshall! This is exactly what I needed!
Totally. Fr. Lasance was my first missal. It will be my last. But the fact it was pre-55 confused me for years!!
My missal is from Baronius Press. It is a leather cover and Six ribbons. It is I'll bet Eighteen years old and is in my car all the time. The gilding looks perfect.
is it easy to follow for a beginner?
Forgot to mention "Great" review Dr. Taylor and really enjoying all your RUclips's. Very informative. Learning a lot! Thanks bud. God Bless you and your family.
Thank you Dr. Marshall! I placed my order at Fraternity Publications. Though on backorder, it will be a Merry Christmas surprise for me in Jan. 2020.
8 kids?! God bless you! my measely factory wage could never support such a large family.
flipping through a missal is enough 'active participation' for me
I just bought the Father Lacanse missal for my husbands birthday, so happy I did! Thanks Taylor!
Have you used the Baronius missal? can you review it ?This is the missal the monks use at clear creek Abby which I visit often.
...al gringo (bárbaro) no le entiendo nada, por qué no se expresa "latine", (por si no me entiende él a mí: "en lingua latina ?)...
I have my Aunt's St Joseph Missal from tne 50's. I was i the children's choif a d we had to sing the Mass in Latin. The nuns said that we were going to know it till we die. I can still read the Latin
I've got the same one, from my aunt no less!
At Joseph’s daily missal 1958 is amazing! Found brand new on eBay for $10
The Angelus press missal has tons of beautiful art. its just not a "picture book" though.
I use the small, pocket-size Fr. Steadman missal from the early 60s, which I still saved from my childhood. It doesn’t have the propers in Latin, but its diminutive size feels precious in my hands, and allows me to enter the service effectively since I am more focused on "praying the mass" rather than fumbling with ribbons for the readings. In the NYC church I attend, and which offers the Latin mass daily, there are Latin-English handouts for the propers on Sundays and special feasts, which are made available for those using the thin red-covered missal booklets (popular with many). Also, the priest first offers the epistle and gospel properly in Latin, and then again in English just before the sermon. On Sundays, I might use the St. Andrew Missal or the Angelus Press RC 1962 missal, since it seems to accord more with the transcendent beauty of the occasion, and these contain the Vespers for Sunday (in case I attend that later)... but the small one tends to travel more consistently with me.
For those looking where to buy the Fr.Lascance Missal can be found to order off the 'Our Lady of Victory Homeschool' website, just search "missals" and you will find all of these listed for sale..
Jorge Mario Bergoglio should watch your videos. He could definitely learn from you.
@@jongricafort4 God bless Vigano.
He's too busy building his One-World Church predicted by Pius X: "And now, overwhelmed with the deepest sadness, We ask Ourselves, Venerable Brethren, what has become of the Catholicism of the Sillon? Alas! this organization which formerly afforded such promising expectations, this limpid and impetuous stream, has been harnessed in its course by the modern enemies of the Church, and is now no more than a miserable affluent of the great movement of apostasy being organized in every country for the establishment of a One-World Church which shall have neither dogmas, nor hierarchy, neither discipline for the mind, nor curb for the passions, and which, under the pretext of freedom and human dignity, would bring back to the world (if such a Church could overcome) the reign of legalized cunning and force, and the oppression of the weak, and of all those who toil and suffer."
@@jongricafort4 ... Obviously it's Truth which confuses you the most AI (but not too I) troll. Did Bergodlio give you a raise yet? Are you up to $0.00113 per post yet? Please, speak pseudo-Catholic to me? Or perhaps more unintelligible babble,eh? Better yet, quote unrelated scripture: it makes you sound like you are a Christian to the insurmountably ignorant...
Rui Duarte Andrade Adao Sad but true!
St Gregory the great said you should never attack or speak bad about Bishops
Dr. Taylor Marshall thank you for your insight on these missals, I know I had a hard choice to make when I was searching for TLM missals, I eventually made my decision and stuck with a 1962 edition. God Bless You I hope you had a excellent Thanksgiving weekend.
We use the Angelus Press Daily Missal at Thomas Aquinas College Chapel which corresponds with the one the Celebrant uses. Also purchased Daily Missal and Liturgical Manual, Baronius Press but use the Angeles Press because the priest follows the FSSP Liturgical Ordo except on Feria days when one of the chaplains uses his own for dedicated Masses for the dead.
The best one is the pre-1962 St Andrew's Missal.
Why do you say so. I'm inclined to get Fr. Lassance
1945 St. Andrews Missal for me!
Just got a 1962 one and am starting today! I found a new copy at a used book store for about $25! I thought I had to get it.
God bless you Dr. Taylor
0:28 hey that’s my parish!!
I have two copies of the St. Joseph missal, circa 1957. Very similar to the Lasance, so many beautiful illustrations and explanations for each Sunday and the Saints. But it does cross reference. But with all the hands touching it in our family, they can usually be found on eBay for around twenty bucks. It has a few minor differences in the Holy Week but our FSSP parish did the more ancient Holy Week stuff this last year and no one had a missal that followed perfectly.
The problem with the St. Joseph Missals are that they only have Latin for the Ordinary of the Mass, not the propers. However, they were the most popular hand missals back then; it's too bad the Catholic Book Publishing Co. (now based in New Jersey) went Novus Ordo.
Whoa 😮Fr. Lasance is currently out in Amazon! But the 1962 version is available. I hope St. Ignatius Press has it.-Thank you, Dr. Marshall for this review.
I agree 100%. The Fr. Lasance Missal is my favorite.
Yes! Finally have this kind of review from him!
Thank you for your video which helped me decide on the Lasance in early 2020
Since then I have also acquired the Angelus Press and the St Andrew’s
The Lasance remains my primary missal that I leave in my car, in case I can make it to the 4 pm weekday mass
It is not true that Angelus has a lot of cross referencing , same is true of the Lasance which one will find especially in trying to attend daily mass; only solution is to get to church a couple of minutes early to rearrange ribbons; I find I have to use a few holy cards as the ribbons are not enough!
I think one should emphasize the fact that the Angelus Press is a 1962 missal so that’s what you get and is probably to be preferred if the TLM you attend adheres to that
I have a pre55 mass available to me so my preferred Missal is the Lasance
Not only the Holy Week changed in the 62, it lacks many vigils and octaves and the almost daily multiple orations ( upto and at times exceeding3 each of the collect,secret and post communion : these orations are very beautiful and meaningful and express the fullness of our faith)
No the Lasance is not perfect: it lacks a very few saints days introduced between 55 and 62 eg Anthony Mary Claret. I’d like to know if anyone found some others
Lasance is not perfect most glaring example is July 29 the feast of St Martha where it says “ the Gospel,Jesus entered ( Luke 10:38-42)from the Mass of the Assumption”.Unfortunately when I turn to pg 1160 it has been updated to Luke 1, 41-50, the Visitation following the propers assigned by PiusXII following the declaration of the dogma in 1950; publisher needs to be informed to include the full gospel text for July 29 before the next printing!
In addition there are rare occasions on a weekday when it refers to the Mass proper of a common when the page number is wrong. I always verify the correct mass with the start of the intro it
One deciding factor for those whose mother tongue is Spanish may be availability of translation. Currently Angelus only one with Latin-Spanish version!
God Bless!
Thank you. Love your channel and Vertigopolitics youtube channel.
THANK YOU!! I am new to the Latin Mass and get lost easily! I wanted to purchase a missal but wasn’t sure which one would be best for my needs. Again, THANK YOU!!
I have a St. Andrew's daily Missal. The first Missal of mine and the best. A present from my Brother...
Canadians, good news! It is 2021-11-04 and Sunrise Marian Distribution has copies of the Fr Lasance "New Roman Missal" available for $94.95 +tax. I believe they ship to the United States as well.
I guess it really just depends on who you are and what your TLM situation is. For example, I also prefer to follow only the Latin text (Fr. Lasance +1). I prefer that my Missal have a Kyriale (Angelus Press +1). But my TLM community does the pre-1955 Holy Week (Fr. Lasance +1). But I also prefer genuine leather + quality gilt pages (Angelus Press +1). Overall, it’s a tough one in my case.
I have the Baronius Press missal
Although this video is of little interest to me, I can t but notice how clearly Marshall belongs to another era ,maybe the30's to 50's . You have an old religious soul. 🎩that s beautiful
For me Dr. Marshall, the best is the sspx misal and the reason is because the one I got is the one with the Spanish translation in the translation into Spanish is accurate plus the commentaries and the feast days in Spanish are very helpful to me.
Bishop Sheen's Sunday Missal is the best for me: so easy to go from the Mass of the Sunday to the Canon and back to the last prayers of the Sunday at hand. But it is about mid 1950s so does not include the updates of 1962 (minor point). These Missals are not easy to find.
I would love a podcast about the 1911 Breviary "reform" that gutted millennia of tradition. How did that set the stage for the disasters of the 1955 missal and eventually the Novus Ordo?
Thank you for this useful and functional information.
This is so interesting! I only have the St Joseph/Catholic Book Publishing missal 1961 😒 Which I assume doesn’t even come near a rating....but I have no problem using it for our Latin Mass every Wednesday evening. I am relatively new to all of this, and a kind older woman showed me her missal and taught me how to use it so I got the one she had. I also recently found a missal by the Catholic Press 1953/1954 ...ITS ALL IN ENGLISH! But follows the Latin. And it has some illustrations of the parts of the mass and the vestments etc...which I haven’t tried to use yet, but it has beautiful photos and illustrations throughout. I am now more enlightened ! Thank you so much. Also I have a really hard time following the Latin because it goes so fast and I am just learning ...so I find myself jumping over to the English very often because I am afraid to miss the intimacy of what is taking place. Any one have any suggestions?
I get to Mass early enough to read through the propers in both English and Latin, then I just follow the Latin while it is being chanted. Epistle and Gospel are read in English from the pulpit just prior to the homily at my FSSP parish. It's a bit confusing and difficult at first, but just keep at it, and it will come. I find now that I love the cadence of the Latin prayers.
Am thinking of getting the St Andrew's Missal.
First time i even heard about Fr. Lasance missal! Wow thank you for pointing that out. I do use the Angelus and i do attend FSSP apostolate, AND i do agree with all the distractions of cross referencing in the book. Our family does follow the morning and evening prayers in Angelus press, but i will order the Fr. L. book as soon as i can. Thank you!
Thank you
I use to have the Fr. Lasance's Hand Missal, and gave it to someone new with Latin Mass. Now, I am longing for.another copy as I miss the extra stuff in it. I do have the Missal from Angelus Press, but not really satisfied with it. I cannot afford any new Missals today......UPDATE: I now have a new Fr. Lasance Missal, and get to enjoy it again....for personal prayer, since I cannot get to a Latin Mass which is 7 miles away here in Pensacola area. The 1964 Interim Missal also have the Latin for the important parts of the Mass, though the readings are all in the vernacular.
I don't think he really needed to announce the winner as it was obvious haha.
I have the Angelus Press one, and I love the quality.
People call Latin a dead language. How can that be when we still use it at church and in some medical and legal jargon? Maybe we could say it's a fixed language that is not changing. Just a thought. Thank you for the review of these two versions of the Missal.
The best way to avoid the cross-referencing flips during mass is to set it up with the ribbons before mass. If I need to mark a page but don't have a ribbon for it, it will use a sticky or prayer card. I used the Saint Andrew 1961 Missal for awhile but got the Angelus Press 1962 missal and am happy with it. One thing I really like with the St. Andrew is the Morning Prayers section. It contains a few beautifully written prayers and also the Prime ordinary.
My ribbons are set. The problem in Angelus Missal it is hard to foresee when the lections are missing (see p. for Epistle), and you have to flip back to the readings printed elsewhere in the Missal (eg Ember lessons).
Joseph Pietras how do you set up your missal before hand when sometimes the priest uses readings other than that which is in the missal? The last few Sundays after Pentecost are examples. The priest at my church used the readings of so many weeks after Epiphany instead of the ones after Pentecost. I didn’t know that until I actually went to church and saw the readings in the bulletin.🤭
I would say the Fr. Lasance is the go to. You could get the Angelus for those certain days that are not in the Fr. Lasance missal. But that seems minor. I have been wrestling over this for awhile. I used to have a Angelus 62, but mine was not black. I want to say it was white or red? It got lost when I moved to Washington state and have not seen one since. What I love about the Fr. Lansance one is that has more detail and shows pictures so when you are watching, even if you are not fully understanding, you still would have an idea what is going on within the Mass. I have been to a few of these and was blown away by the tradition, something Vatican II lost I think.
Is the Fr. Lasance Missal pre 1955? Does it have the pre '55 traditional non-revised Holy Week?
Edit: Question answered toward end of video. Pre '55 Holy Week is included. That's a big plus!
Also... St. Joseph's name being removed from the Canon by Paul the Sixth?! One has to wonder, why in the world would he do that? St. Joseph is Christ's earthly father who lovingly raised Him, protected the Holy Family, trained Him in carpentry. Just think of all the time they spent together and all the experiences they shared! It seems that st. Joseph doesn't get enough respect or recognition, he is also a Terror to Deamons according to exorcists.
In the old churches there was always a side Altar, one dedicated to Blessed Mother and one to St. Joseph. Since many or even most of the magnificent, beautiful & spiritually inspiring High Altars were sacked, destroyed, cut to pieces, this significance has been largely lost.
St. Joseph, Patron of the Church; Ora pro nobis!🙏
I prefer and use the 1962 angelus press missal
Dr M, you mentioned Fraternity of St Peter, isn't it true that the Fraternity would never had existed without the witness of Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX? I'd be fascinated (as a fellow Anglican convert) if you and Timothy Gordon discussed the SSPX, which now seems like 'Catholic home' to me after 5 years in the N.O. church.
When Lefebvre by his actions was excommunicated latae sententiae by ordaining bishops without Papal approval priests who wished to stay loyal to Rome formed the FSSP. It was not his witness, but his treachery which caused the FSSP to be formed. Are we going to give Lefebvre kudos for other breakaway groups such as the Sedevacantist SSPV and SSPX-MC to form too? How about the whole host of conspiracy peddling half-wits that make up a large segment of SSPX pew sitters - are you going to give lefebvre kudos for them too? As NATO defense minister once mentioned to me, watch out without Rome they will splinter just like the protestants.... and they have. Some have rejoined the Church other have gone their own separate way and formed their own churches
@@deusimperator - the Archbishop was loyal to the Holy Catholic Church, unlike poor Paul VI, the latter admitted at the end of his life that the smoke of satan had entered the Church. the excommunications were invalid under canon law btw. and no we are not going to credit the Archbishop for the other groups you mention, that was an easy one..lol ...as to 'half-wits' you claim are in SSPX pews, i would say firstly that no Catholic Christian should describe fellow Christians as such and secondly all the people i have met in SSPX chapels are very sane rounded stable human beings. the dude at NATO is entitled to his opinions, I would concede it's a shame traditional Catholics are not more united. however the ultimate blame must rest with Vat II, Paul VI and JPII.
@@marcokite His excommunication was latae sententiae under Canon Law. Lefebvre has to take credit for causing confusion and chaos and leading groups out of the Church. SSPX-MC, SSPX-SO, SSPV are all breakaways caused by his treachery. The Lefebvrists are extremely anti-semitic in their publication. Look at the publication run by the SSPX and their half-witted pew sitters... Protocols of the Elders of Zion would be considered reading material in those circles. I attended SSPX masses at one time, at there was alway an anti-semitic clown spewing some nonsense Hitler =good Jew = satan spawn. Oh, and I am an ethnic Shephardi. Even Lefebvre bought into the anti-Semitic nonsense
@@deusimperator - the excommunication was un-canonical as consecrating bishops with good reason, to be blunt, is not schismatic and not cause for excommunication. your use of the word 'treachery' is inaccurate as the only treachery was in attacking the liturgy in the 1960s and 70s to make it less Catholic in respect to the Mass being a sacrifice. Thank God for the Archbishop's courage and witness. i can only repeat that referring to fellow Christians as half-witted is not a Catholic Christian act. i have never come across any racism, only very well balanced, kind, generous people who love the Catholic faith.
@@marcokite And the fruits of his cult was more fracture and from schism to heresy. The Lefebvrist religion is no different from any protest movement. I have never been to a SINGLE SSPX mass, NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY SSPX mass where someone is not blaming Jews for something or other. Not one. Read the Catholic Family News ... It has the caught the Vennari Disease. The newspaper was peddling special blessings if people contributed the the Vennari Get well soon cancer fund. When he died 27 of the 32 pages were dedicated to making that bozo a saint. It is a cult. He was a paddler of hate against Jews. Always looking under his bed for Jews and Zionists who were running the world.
If you are older like me and your eyesight is not great, you may wish to see a copy of the Fr Lasance Missal before you buy it. I find it unreadable because of the font size and style. Ended up giving mine away to a younger person. The St Andrew Daily Missal uses a bold, block font that is much easier on my old eyes. The prayers in the front of the Missal and interspersed throughout, in Latin and English, are also of great value. You may run into problems during Holy Week because this Missal is pre-1962, so that is something to be aware of.
Non sequitur (except some comments):
I’m quite happy that the TLM was saved from extinction, but when I see someone argue that the TLM would have been extinguished if not for the SSPX, I have to wonder if Thomas Aquinas-or any other moral theologian-would agree that the ends can be used to justify the means...
Also, if the end accomplished was good, but the means employed was evil, can others benefit from the end in good conscience, or is it tainted on account of the evil means used to attain the end?
I wondered that, too. But, after talking to a priest about it, there doesn't seem to be a clear definitive evil by the SSPX regarding the Mass, and once all the sides have their say. It seems that other issues protracted certain evils. Like the SSPX fighting for the Timeless Mass was fine, but maybe the consecration of three bishops instead of one, wasn't. Of course, the Mass versus bishops succession are two different matters.
I guess the question is, what is the relationship of the Mass to canon law, and which takes precedent: the Mass, or Canon Law. Which one is supreme? Once that might be defined, then it might be clear which is more necessary and pinnacle to the Faith.
So, it might become apparent who stands on solid moral ground in the debate, and how the historical context of the situation played out on later events.
BTW, I really don't know how much the SSPX actually helped preserve the Mass. They may have had a good part, but not singularly.
My big issue is that my eyesight is Not Great, so I wind up choosing missals based on whether or not I can read it. I love the New Marian Missal that the CMRI are publishing, (yes, I know, they're sede, but I ordered it from the FSSP,) because, while everything else is tiny and unreadable, the Common of the Mass is HUGE, and it's small and inexpensive to replace so I travel with it.
Baronius and St. Andrew are super-hard to read. Angelus is about in the middle. Lasance is a bit hard to read just because the letters are so close together, but given how huge that book already IS, I'm not surprised. "Blessed Be God" is pretty easy to read, but ONLY has what's required for Sundays and HDOs in the US. HDOs that are only required in other English-speaking countries are not present. But it's small and fits in my purse, so huzzah.
The downside to Baronius and Angelus is that, if you attend a PCED parish, you don't have the Holy Week stuff, since the pre-1962 Holy Week has been used the last few years. I'd rather have too much than too little, but that's just me.
Great review, I agree about all the flipping around in the Angelus Press Missal. Could you possibly compare it to the Baronius Press Missal sometime?
Love your channel, good information. Thank you.
@kimley smith Im undecided which out of Angulus press, Baronius and Fr Lasance and suggestionsa, I attend fssp
@@JJ22RR I attend FSSP and have Angelus Press
@@williammagsambol2143 Thank you 'Liam, I'm also Part of the FSSP here in Sydney and I ended up having them both and Father Lasance.. I use the Angelus the most out of the 3, maybe it because Im more familiar and more accustomed to it.
@@JJ22RR That's awesome to hear. Great to hear the traditional Catholicism is well in Sydney.
Hooray for Catholic living! Hooray for Dr. M who reads his comments and is helping us get to a place where we can worship with the Latin text. No tin foil hats here, just what is needed to embrace the beauty of our faith!
1962 Roman Catholic Daily Missal is the one used via FSSP .... 1 vote for it
FSSP parishes/chapels that provide missals use different missals. The FSSP bookstore (FraternityPublications.com) sells the Baronius Press (not Angelus Press) Daily Missal (1962) and the St. Joseph Daily Missal (1953). Some provide copies of the St. Edmund Campion Missal Hymnal (1962 - Sundays and major feasts only); others provide copies of the Angelus Press (1962) missal Dr. Marshall described. Many will have only copies of the red paperback missal which contains only the commons.
For those who do not attend daily Mass often, the Campion missal and hymnal is worth checking out. It is larger and heavier, but it is much less expensive, has larger type, has all the propers in one place, and includes a hymnal.
@@jerryeckert106 Thank you ... our parish had at one time or another sold the baronus and the angelus press ones, respectively ... not the others .. and actually I asked our pastor about the Campion and he said it was the first he learned of it ... due to distance I can't get to the FSSP parish most of the week so ... the Campion may be good for me who usually uses the Virgomaterdie and the red covered missal because I find those missals too challenging to use
please. I am lost with this thing. lol
Hopefully Catholics will only have to worry soon about missal choices or the quality of sermons, not tribal idols being erected in churches. I've long used the St Andrew Daily Missal. Mine was from the time so is either 1937 (with an intro by Abp Arthur Hinsley) or 1940 or 1944, but barring the supplement for local (Irish Feasts) is practically identical to the St Bonaventure Publications reprint available, although sometimes the paper in reprints can be heavier, ribbons too. The St Andrew Missal has superb historical and liturgical texts, particularly setting the scene for the Mass and Office for each Sunday. Fr Lasance is great for learning the Mass, but as to explain what a particularly Sunday or Feast Day means, not so good, but still a fine book. One downside is that Epistles and Gospels tend never to be repeated if common between days, so much page flipping for some weekday Feasts.
Thanks much for this. I use my mothers pre 1950 version.
You can buy new rbbons, as they do wear out.
This is amazing! I’ve only ever attended a Novus Ordo Mass my whole life and it would be nice to attend a Latin Mass although churches (from where I’m from) in my area only ever offer Novus Ordo Masses. Anyways, I’m just glad I can even go to Mass. God bless you!🙏😊
what about baronius press missal?
I primarily use the St. Joseph's Missal - easier to follow than St. Andrew's. Although I have not used the Lasanse Missal, I was tempted to purchase one recently for my 11 year old daughter because it seemed very similar to an older version of the St. Joseph's with the picture exhibits. I only did not purchase it because I was examining it online and couldn't get a good feel for it that way. The St. Joseph's is also pre-1962...
btw, to the point of never changing - I even use this missal attending the Carmelite Rite TLM and have no problem following. Granted, readings for certain weeks are off as the Carmelites count weeks from the Trinity instead of the Pentecost... and a few other small customs are special to the Carmelite Rite.
I got a Fulton J. Sheen Sunday Missal; its got Latin on 1page& English, is this a good missal? Found it in a vintage bookstore
I have the Angelus Press version and I’m quite fond of it. True, there is some jumping around but to address this I place the ribbons prior to mass.
I've been using the Angelus press version for 10 years or so, right enough for certain Masses you have to flip to another page for the Collect for example. It's a help to prepare the Mass in advance and use a couple of "Holy pictures " as page markers. But yes, it can be a bit distracting. Some beautiful Prayers for before and after Communion which I suppose are in the other Missel.
Compare St. Andrew Missal with Father Lacanse Missal. St. Andrew Missal is beautiful, educational and easy to maneuver.
St Andrew’s missal is beautiful - pre 1945 - lovely pictures
I grew up in the Latin Mass. I would love to be able to still go to the Latin Mass, but it is not offered where I live. What should I do?
I was thinking the same thing. I live in Cincinnati, and we are blessed with several different archdioceses that support the latin mass. I thought about what I would do if we were to ever move away in our retirement. I have grown to love this mass dearly. Good luck!
Just want to clarify quick, but I thought St. Joseph's name was added to the canon of the mass because of Pope John XXIII, not removed. God Bless!!
Baronius hands down.
Anyone have a lead on where to find sub $40 missals? $70 on books are a bit out of my budget right now
Is the saint angelus press missal ok for use at FSSP?
I have Saint Andrew Daily MissL BY Dom Gasper Lefebvre O.S.B. of the Abbey of St. Andre,1940 Leather. + Mariam Missal For Daily Mass by Sylvester P. Juergens, S.M. Doctor of Sacred Theology, 1950 Leather + included - My daily Thought From The Following Of Christ.😊💗
I like English mass or Spanish mass. In the Catholic.