Saiyan scholar I need you to find the Channel of Lonk’s Takes, this man has been disrespecting GT and truly believes its weak in comparison to super. I know you can fix his mindset
Ss3 and god were bery misused. Meanwhile mastered ssj should have stayed as a neutral state to show which saiyans surpassed the base power and honestly that could have made the story better.
@tomatomi8041 it would also make sense to also make the super Saiyan bargain bin joke better since trunks and Goten wouldn't master it to stay in that form so gaining it wouldn't be as bad. Then super move on to doing the same worth blue ui and god that would help show they are getting better at using these forms too.
@@ivanbluecool In super it would make even more sense, since ultra instint or super saiyan god are used as different forms. The God form should have stayed as Goku's base form, to show that he has reached the realm of the gods, instead of being a form he has to tap into when he wants to fight.
No if I'm still remember, Goku is already dead at that time while using SSJ3, Goku said that he has an time limits staying on Earth and can't really use all his power or he will disappear forever or idk if Goku is still staying on Earth.
lol, it really is insane seeing all these various vids from multiple creators since ssj3 vegeta pop out from the floor boards haha. Its like vegeta fans were waiting for this moment all their life . All it took was a retcon to give them the confidence. I mean the form is no where to be found in super and this is supposed to take place before super haha 😅.
I like Vegeta as a character a lot. And honestly Vegeta moments are some of DB most impactful ones. Having said that I can’t wait until Goku whips out his SSJ3 and starts taking names
I agree with you at many points saiyan scholar but the ultimate reason why I think there would be two outcomes here in regards to Goku defeating fat buu and the reason why Super Saiyan 3 is such an energy drainer or at least initially. 1. Writing first off But ultimately power and balance Goku should have use the same methods as he did preparing for the Cell Games Goku instructed Gohan as well as himself to maintain Super Saiyan for a large portions of time which meant his body got used to that power and constantly being under the power so there was no stamina drain because the body had already been prerequisites to the power so I think if Goku had used the same methods and maintain Super Saiyan 2 that I know he achieved during those 7 years and actually maintain that form normally then went up to the higher form of Super Saiyan 3 I don't think there would have been much of an issue.. 2. Timing Goku clearly stated to Majin Buu that he had not had much time of and occasion to use Super Saiyan 3 and more than likely there wouldn't have been an enemy or an opponent in the afterlife that would have pushed Goku to used Super Saiyan 3 so I really don't think Goku would have how much of a chance to perfect it because if the threat of Majin Buu had occurred later on I have no doubts that Goku would have had if he had used the same methods as he did during the Cell Games Super Saiyan 3 would have been perfected and would not have had the energy trainer stamina loss expensive Goku decided to maintain Super Saiyan 3 for long periods of time to get his body used to the power as he did with Super Saiyan during the Cell Games because after all in the afterlife he would not have had the consequences of having a mortal body so he would have been able to master Super Saiyan 3. But with this being said outcome number one I think if Goku had poured all of his energy add to a Kamehameha wave I think fat buu would have been toast but at the consequence that Goku would have to return to the afterlife almost immediately after. Or outcome number two would be that Goku puts all of this energy into one attack destroys fat buu and still has a little time left on Earth because he did not play any games and he only has enough time to Unite with his friends and family for a short time. But ultimately it's plot.
My answer would be, It's the writers damn fault Goku failed SSJ3. They knew how popular SSJ3 is and they wanted to fix it after so many years so they did what they always do, retconned it by giving Vegeta a better version of it.
@@SaiyanScholar More like a case of "Oh we've had two proper SSJ forms coming out without any drawbacks so let's give the next one an actual drawback". Obviously not including the SSJ1 Grade 2/3 parts in that statement.
@@riicky83 alright bruh. Saying Goku wasn’t worth to wield it properly is fucking biased. I’d say more like he didn’t have enough time to master the form.
Its too quick to assume vegeta wouldn’t get drained by ssj3. He used it for a short burst because the battle ended way too early. Watch vegeta use it for a long dragged out fight and we’ll see. We even have no official confirmation from the script writing or anything that confirms that vegeta has mastered ssj3 and that it doesn’t drain him. You’re literally using headcanon. There’s a reason vegeta hesitated to use it in dragon ball super.
@@newkiller4457 The question is, could we compare it to when Goku went SSJ3 during the tournament of Power? he briefly went SSJ3 due to the fight between Kale and Kefla but he didn't stay in it long. Issue is, I think he did the transformation on instinct and cancelled it to conserve his stamina so it's hard to tell if he still had stamina issues from the form or not enough stamina to maintain SSJ3 due to the initial stamina issues from Ultra Instinct Sign.
I don't get one thing. In the ToP, Goku explains to Caulifla that he cant' stay in the form for long due to it being taxing on his body... But then we have Vegeta in Daima, which canonically is AGES before ToP even takes place and it seems like Vegeta doesn't seem to struggle nearly as much with it which sends me conflicting messages. Is SSJ3 taxing on the body or not? Because it just makes no sense how Vegeta in Daima could use SSJ3 with such ease while Super Goku after all this training could not. I mean this is Goku who's now about to use God, Blue, Blue Kaioken and soon Ultra Instionc and yet SSj3 is still too much for him while Daima Vegeta just does it no problem.
Goku was beat up and exhausted from his fight with Jiren at that point so It makes sense. Ssj3 is by far the least unstable and most draining form, is not necessarily a power issue since god forms are way more stable and powerful. Makes sense since God Ki as is stated on the series is an energy of a more "appeased/controlled" nature and this can be observed in the way the aura and ki flows around them
I feel Vegeta has more power and ki control than Goku. He is very proficient in things related to key. It's easy to assume Goku is stronger than Vegeta on the surface due to unlocking forms faster however I feel that comes down to Goku just being a better adapter via his way of learning martial arts and his personality. Goku wants to get stronger by all means while Vegeta likes to hone the tones he has. UE and UI are examples of that. As Goku uses UI he adapts to the opponent he is facing to win whereas as when Vegeta uses UE, he is progressively getting stronger over time taking damage in the form, honing the form getting stronger with it as the battle goes on. The form itself is unbound meaning he doesn't need more forms he can just stick with one thing.
I think you should clarify that DBS Goku failed SSJ3 cause it wasn’t DBZ Goku’s fault that he was dead and didn’t know the drawbacks on a living body and DBGT Goku implied that his adult body COULD handle SSJ3 when he specifically stated that his child body couldn’t AND getting his tail back essentially got rid of all the drawbacks.
**my comment has not a lot to do with this video. I think it’s relevant to ss3 Goku though.** I didn’t take the vegeta *not* being stamina drained as [VEGETA IS STRONGER THAN GOKU IN Ss3]. I took it as [THE DEMON WORLD IS LIKE THE OTHERWORLD WHERE THAT FORM WORKS BETTER.]
doesn't make sense though.... Goku in the other world had better stamina cuz he had a different body built.... meaning that if he instant transmissioned to the otherworld with his alive body... it wouldn't make any difference to his ssj3 usage
>Makai is like the polar opposite spatially Potentially, sure. I would sooner expect it to drain actively to be there (as a non-demon making it even harder to train much less fight within it). A place where a form like Z legendary (constantly gathering power) would thrive for combating the issue. Geets leeching with FSF would potential lend him to it, but Daima is before (and unrelated to that continuity). If anything, it is just as likely "SS3" (misnomer) would be even worse than in the mortal plane there. Could go either way in terms of writing. In the 'above' time doesn't mean the same thing and one is granted endless life in form (halo) though at risk (body destruction is soul erasure). The below weighing you down is the mortal world with time and life limits. I would expect time and life drain to worsen in the land of demons, but that's me.
Do a how why vegeta failed ui and ssj 4 video. And a video on how he failed the saiyans and at his pride after finding out what beerus did and doing nothing else about it after beerus wrecks him in a fight then going on to ask beerus to train him after losing to him amd not getting his revenge and then going on to losing against black frieza. Vegeta's lost to frieza 3 times. Goku's beat him twice. You can also do a video on why he failed ue too.
Really, FPSS was the last canon chance to have SSKK. Before making up the strain/drain to remove KK, AT introduced FPSS to give that opening back just to instead make the solution give a bit of power (randomly) and handwave the matter. GT had the chance to bring it back for the pretend fourth form (it has nothing to do with SS) just to pass (instead pulling the same stunt with 'FPSS4' going red and Gogeta's weirdness). "Saiyan God" is what the base should have been called (rather than SSG), and you're right to point out how the low drain/strain means KK could have factored again as ONLY GT uses the non-canon modifier logic, so KK could potentially be worth more than SS for Goku (while Vegeta would do his own thing with SS and beyond **maybe Goku also tries SS1 atop it working towards FPSS** not unlike the anime giving him Evolution with an absurd modifier for what is just USS for some reason). Making power systems really isn't the specialty of Toriyama at all. Toyo certainly keep it all straight (nor Toei). Constantly changing the rules with poor excuses. We never even got them to do another book giving supposedly credible stats on these things for the fandom to work with. Is SSB really the same as SS1 is to base but where 'SSG' is concerned? It just isn't clear how big the gaps are (as they forms themselves are variable to do with control **getting worse with UI and UE even without memes like intentionally dialing oneself back with ki control to have Blue vastly weaker than base at rest as an ultra suppressed self even as most being can't sense the randomly made up divine energy and they add a higher form for GSK/GLoL**).
Enough about how SS3 failed Goku! Let’s talk about how Saiyan Scholar FAILED ME! What happened Scholar?!?! WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING SPECIAL!!!!!!!!! 😭😭😭
I'm still not sure the relevance of your analysis with the title; you're talking about why Goku made decisions during the fighting fat buu to kid buu but the title is "Why Goku Failed Super Saiyan 3" This discussion should have been a comparison to his understanding of Super Saiyan 3 to Vegeta in Daima using Mastered Super Saiyan 3, in which case Goku didn't failed at SSJ3 he simply was unaware of the tax to his body that form would do in a living body. With Vegeta being alive and seeing SSJ3 in action he had gotten a proper understanding of the form and learn to master it before Goku did. So Goku probably just unlocked the form like Frieza did with Golden Form and didn't train with it to deal with the initial drawbacks.
im sure goku can handle it way better now. he didnt struggle against trunks when he transformed. super bein after daima means they both handdle ssj3 well.
I wouldve liked to see goku push into SSJ3 temporarily during things like beam struggles for a huge temporary boost before things like super saiyan god. That way it wouldve been more relevant. Now, outside of daima the form makes less sense to use.
People need to keep in mind a lot of Goku's assessments are made after his battles, he didn't know if he could have killed fat buu at that moment. His assessments are retrospective.
The writing of Daima is ass and didnt consider the problems of the form. Yet Vegeta gets it in a year, alive and whips it out in a weaker body? With no exhaustion? Just pointless fanservice for Vegeta. "Oh but he deserves it, he finally gets respect" despite having a million forms and fights with Goku in Super. But ill wait for Vegeta to lose and everyone will claim "Akira hates Vegeta"
Let's be honest, battles in DBZ are actually seconds to minutes long at best. If Goku pushed the gas pedal on Fat Buu, he would have won. That minute was enough. Also let's remember that the strength of Ki is intrinsically tied to a person's mental state, it's possible for Goku's worries and doubts to have lowered SS3s potential max power.
@ no argument there. I fw vegeta too. But how tf goku failed super saiyan 3 but vegeta didnt? And as a dam kid at that. We talking about the same guy that pushed his own son to become the strongest in the cell arc in a year and found a way to optimize super saiyan? I ain’t watched the video “explaining” why and I’m not going to. I’m not hearing it
I think Goku will fail any new form or unfinish the form until he will go to another new form and forgetting the older forms. It's how Dragon balls go for Goku onwards
Off-topic discussion but do you think kid Buu was searching for the demon realm?Near the end of the last season? Goma and Degesu states that no one can Stand in the way. (Way ) being whatever the ultimate out come of their plan maybe. From what the wishes they wanted the 1 Weaken the Sayans 2 The evil third eye 3 undecided, plot. I’m guessing it’s universal domination.😂 but it sounded like they were stating that Buu is aware of the demon realm.
Super Saiyan 3 was designed to not be a sustainable transformation the way that 100% Full Power Frieza was. If Super Saiyan 3 is just an endurable, normal transformation, it loses all value, and just becomes another strong guy buff. SS3 means as much as it does BECAUSE it's such a drain on power and therefore under-utilized. I get everyone loves how cool it looks but there's a reason why Super Saiyan 3 is memorable and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is not.
Super Saiyan 3 is always better outside of the main continuity. Super Baby 2 and GT SSJ3 actually was worth something. Super Saiyan 3 in DB Heroes is actually powerful and doesn't shut off in mere seconds. Super Saiyan 3 is just written poorly nowadays. There's no logical way it should drain so much while not being that big of a boost.
if we being honest, he failed ssj 2 as well. because we never got to really see him fight alot in ssj 3. and ssj2 besides against Buu and vegeta, We ALWAYS see him fight in ssj 1 however, even in Gt, and ssj god blue, But the same can kinda be said for ssj god , but he at least used it in TOP, and Broly movie,
i always had a theorie that when goku came back to life in the buu saga he came back in the body that he had from the cell saga that is much lower in stamina than what the ssj3 transformation needs but what debunks my theorie is that if it's right then goku should have beem weaker than yamcha when he came back in the sayins saga which obviously wasn't the case but i just wanted to share this with you that's all
Hey bro...hate to say it, but it's almost the same thing look at the Chibi Naruto Shippuden show, regards how it is inthe regular shows, chibi versions of anything are always 90% of the time depicted as childlike or childish in manner. Calling them children truly isn't far off js
Their bodies were physically regressed to the age of a small child. Them being mentally older doesn't change the fact that they're in a child's body. Let me ask you this. What do you call a very responsible and mentally older 10 year old kid? (e.g. the kids who start helping family businesses and taking on responsibilities from a very young age) I'm just picturing you screaming at people to stop treating them like children because they're not children they're chibis and everyone just going "what freakin drugs is this guy on?"
Bro u gotta cool down with this anti goku vids.most ur args are twisted and can be encountred just with the same technique u used.Anyway think about it cuz i am unsubbing if all u have is vegeta goat goku mid.
I always thought it wasn't so much a problem with the form itself as it is that Goku was dead when he unlocked it, so he wasn't used to the limitations of a living body anymore. And by the time he's mastered Super Saiyan 3 in a living body, he's got better transformations to be using.
Why vegeta failed as a sayain he let mutiple low class sayains become super sayians including ssj 1, 2,3, 4, and super sayian god for him to be such an elite prodigy
So is there a argument on when Goku first fought Beerus on king kai planet, he didn't think he had i mastered yet? plus showing off to blue hair Trunks? (Other than clicks, why you Hate Goku?)
I think with time and proper Master training that Goku could have done at least another world, like he did during the Cell Games in the hyperbolic Time Chamber, would have made Super Saiyan 3 extremely powerful almost akin to how Vegeta have made his own SS3 in Daima. And yes Vegeta may be a kid now in the Daima Series, but imagine if he transformed into Super Saiyan 3 as an adult imagine how powerful he will be then. This is even further proven to be true during the events of Dragon Ball GT where Super Baby Vegeta 2 is stated to be closed to a Super Saiyan 3.
@@SaiyanScholar yeah, i believe thats it. But the short version is that at that moment it showed how strong Super Saiyan 3 was at that time before Super Saiyan 4 took the crown.
The only time that super Saiyan three Goku is useful in wrath of the dragon and against trunks in the goku black Arc Well, let’s be real here Vegeta super Saiyan three isn’t superior like Goku super Saiyan three it has a time drain thing and plus the battle with what Vegeta was using The form was too quick. Basically it’s just Vegeta like Goku can suffer from power drain like when you compare the how Vegeta uses, but I would think the guardian is way too easy compared to buu if it was up to adult Vegeta, he wouldn’t need to go super Saiyan three just two to beat the second guardian and so what we saw Goku defeat the first guardian in need of super Saiyan three he only turned super Saiyan one and he won just because Vegeta has mastered super Saiyan three it isn’t superior to Goku’s
Gokus body dint have a soul Thus energy from otherworldbwas used to ppwer his body Ki usage amplified this drainage aka time limit Ssj3 goku couldve beat fat buu if serious No ssj3 gokents isnt as strong as goku ssj2
Seriously dude everybody knows in these communities you’re crazy about thinking that Vegeta has a pass Goku how many times has Vegeta got a power of that Goku gets it a bigger power up let’s face it. Vegeta is not gonna be better than Goku this super Saiyan Vegeta crap is not gonna change anything, would you keep saying or nonsense in the false information you got about thinking about what the Goku achieve Vegeta achieve better that’s not true. You just made lies about it and how should we not know that Goku‘s ultra instinct might reach an ultimate capacity might get a new form that Vegeta cannot get on his ultra ego Vegeta never gonna be better than Goku
If you are counting dbs transformations then I agree they are trash,it is just recolor after recolor at this point with a powerscaling that is so inconsistent. SSG should've been dbs main transformation
I like Vegeta as a character a lot. And honestly Vegeta moments are some of DB most impactful ones. Having said that I can’t wait until Goku whips out his SSJ3 and starts taking names
Hit the Like if it's not Super Saiyan 3's fault... but GOKU'S FAULT!
I already know he effed up
Na it's not goku's fault it's author's hand fault bcz ssj3 drains there stamina, pathetic gods of db lol
Saiyan scholar I need you to find the Channel of Lonk’s Takes, this man has been disrespecting GT and truly believes its weak in comparison to super. I know you can fix his mindset
More like Goku and Gotenks failed SS3
Their boneheaded decisions caused the form not to gain a canonical win for 30 years
we love glazing vegeta🗣️🗣️❤️🔥
LMAO
I’m all for it
I'll glisten VEGETA with butter and olive oil.
Yesssssssir🎉😂🤝🏾🏆
You forgot to attribute the quote to his royal stat padder (San Gokek).
Ss3 and god were bery misused. Meanwhile mastered ssj should have stayed as a neutral state to show which saiyans surpassed the base power and honestly that could have made the story better.
Exactly. I'd like it better if they always stayed in their ssj state too
@tomatomi8041 it would also make sense to also make the super Saiyan bargain bin joke better since trunks and Goten wouldn't master it to stay in that form so gaining it wouldn't be as bad.
Then super move on to doing the same worth blue ui and god that would help show they are getting better at using these forms too.
@@ivanbluecool In super it would make even more sense, since ultra instint or super saiyan god are used as different forms. The God form should have stayed as Goku's base form, to show that he has reached the realm of the gods, instead of being a form he has to tap into when he wants to fight.
It's not the fault of super Saiyan 3 the problem was Goku didn't have enough time to master the form if he had he would have destroyed fat BUU.
Wrong place wrong time. But still badass! Made it interesting
Goku 😂 held back against fat buu , so the kids could beat them. He wanted the next generation to take care of their own problems.
No if I'm still remember, Goku is already dead at that time while using SSJ3, Goku said that he has an time limits staying on Earth and can't really use all his power or he will disappear forever or idk if Goku is still staying on Earth.
still glazing vegeta ss3 i see
keep it up
🍻 Yes, champ!
He's a fan there's nothing wrong with that.
But enough about the vassal of NEMESISgeta the UNDEFEATED superior Saiyan.
lol, it really is insane seeing all these various vids from multiple creators since ssj3 vegeta pop out from the floor boards haha. Its like vegeta fans were waiting for this moment all their life . All it took was a retcon to give them the confidence. I mean the form is no where to be found in super and this is supposed to take place before super haha 😅.
A day without glazing Vegeta is a day wasted 🔥🔥🔥
I like Vegeta as a character a lot. And honestly Vegeta moments are some of DB most impactful ones. Having said that I can’t wait until Goku whips out his SSJ3 and starts taking names
Goku stans feel some type of way
Damn Goku going through the wringer until he gets a huge moment 😂
Tbf Vegeta deserves this victory lap 🎊
I wish Goku was adult SS3 throughout GT instead of a kid. His Gi was fire in GT
I agree with you at many points saiyan scholar but the ultimate reason why I think there would be two outcomes here in regards to Goku defeating fat buu and the reason why Super Saiyan 3 is such an energy drainer or at least initially.
1. Writing first off But ultimately power and balance Goku should have use the same methods as he did preparing for the Cell Games Goku instructed Gohan as well as himself to maintain Super Saiyan for a large portions of time which meant his body got used to that power and constantly being under the power so there was no stamina drain because the body had already been prerequisites to the power so I think if Goku had used the same methods and maintain Super Saiyan 2 that I know he achieved during those 7 years and actually maintain that form normally then went up to the higher form of Super Saiyan 3 I don't think there would have been much of an issue..
2. Timing Goku clearly stated to Majin Buu that he had not had much time of and occasion to use Super Saiyan 3 and more than likely there wouldn't have been an enemy or an opponent in the afterlife that would have pushed Goku to used Super Saiyan 3 so I really don't think Goku would have how much of a chance to perfect it because if the threat of Majin Buu had occurred later on I have no doubts that Goku would have had if he had used the same methods as he did during the Cell Games Super Saiyan 3 would have been perfected and would not have had the energy trainer stamina loss expensive Goku decided to maintain Super Saiyan 3 for long periods of time to get his body used to the power as he did with Super Saiyan during the Cell Games because after all in the afterlife he would not have had the consequences of having a mortal body so he would have been able to master Super Saiyan 3.
But with this being said outcome number one I think if Goku had poured all of his energy add to a Kamehameha wave I think fat buu would have been toast but at the consequence that Goku would have to return to the afterlife almost immediately after.
Or outcome number two would be that Goku puts all of this energy into one attack destroys fat buu and still has a little time left on Earth because he did not play any games and he only has enough time to Unite with his friends and family for a short time.
But ultimately it's plot.
My answer would be, It's the writers damn fault Goku failed SSJ3. They knew how popular SSJ3 is and they wanted to fix it after so many years so they did what they always do, retconned it by giving Vegeta a better version of it.
I think Super Saiyan 3 as a form is amazing. Goku wasn't worth to wield it properly. Wrath of Dragon was awesome tho 👏
@@SaiyanScholar More like a case of "Oh we've had two proper SSJ forms coming out without any drawbacks so let's give the next one an actual drawback".
Obviously not including the SSJ1 Grade 2/3 parts in that statement.
@@riicky83 alright bruh. Saying Goku wasn’t worth to wield it properly is fucking biased. I’d say more like he didn’t have enough time to master the form.
Its too quick to assume vegeta wouldn’t get drained by ssj3. He used it for a short burst because the battle ended way too early. Watch vegeta use it for a long dragged out fight and we’ll see. We even have no official confirmation from the script writing or anything that confirms that vegeta has mastered ssj3 and that it doesn’t drain him. You’re literally using headcanon. There’s a reason vegeta hesitated to use it in dragon ball super.
@@newkiller4457 The question is, could we compare it to when Goku went SSJ3 during the tournament of Power? he briefly went SSJ3 due to the fight between Kale and Kefla but he didn't stay in it long.
Issue is, I think he did the transformation on instinct and cancelled it to conserve his stamina so it's hard to tell if he still had stamina issues from the form or not enough stamina to maintain SSJ3 due to the initial stamina issues from Ultra Instinct Sign.
I don't get one thing. In the ToP, Goku explains to Caulifla that he cant' stay in the form for long due to it being taxing on his body... But then we have Vegeta in Daima, which canonically is AGES before ToP even takes place and it seems like Vegeta doesn't seem to struggle nearly as much with it which sends me conflicting messages. Is SSJ3 taxing on the body or not? Because it just makes no sense how Vegeta in Daima could use SSJ3 with such ease while Super Goku after all this training could not. I mean this is Goku who's now about to use God, Blue, Blue Kaioken and soon Ultra Instionc and yet SSj3 is still too much for him while Daima Vegeta just does it no problem.
VEGETA ARE AWESOME!!!! :😊
Because that's how they write Goku probably. He ain't stable any form he have
Goku was beat up and exhausted from his fight with Jiren at that point so It makes sense. Ssj3 is by far the least unstable and most draining form, is not necessarily a power issue since god forms are way more stable and powerful. Makes sense since God Ki as is stated on the series is an energy of a more "appeased/controlled" nature and this can be observed in the way the aura and ki flows around them
I feel Vegeta has more power and ki control than Goku. He is very proficient in things related to key. It's easy to assume Goku is stronger than Vegeta on the surface due to unlocking forms faster however I feel that comes down to Goku just being a better adapter via his way of learning martial arts and his personality.
Goku wants to get stronger by all means while Vegeta likes to hone the tones he has. UE and UI are examples of that. As Goku uses UI he adapts to the opponent he is facing to win whereas as when Vegeta uses UE, he is progressively getting stronger over time taking damage in the form, honing the form getting stronger with it as the battle goes on. The form itself is unbound meaning he doesn't need more forms he can just stick with one thing.
I think you should clarify that DBS Goku failed SSJ3 cause it wasn’t DBZ Goku’s fault that he was dead and didn’t know the drawbacks on a living body and DBGT Goku implied that his adult body COULD handle SSJ3 when he specifically stated that his child body couldn’t AND getting his tail back essentially got rid of all the drawbacks.
**my comment has not a lot to do with this video. I think it’s relevant to ss3 Goku though.**
I didn’t take the vegeta *not* being stamina drained as [VEGETA IS STRONGER THAN GOKU IN Ss3].
I took it as [THE DEMON WORLD IS LIKE THE OTHERWORLD WHERE THAT FORM WORKS BETTER.]
INTERESTING!
doesn't make sense though.... Goku in the other world had better stamina cuz he had a different body built.... meaning that if he instant transmissioned to the otherworld with his alive body... it wouldn't make any difference to his ssj3 usage
>Makai is like the polar opposite spatially
Potentially, sure. I would sooner expect it to drain actively to be there (as a non-demon making it even harder to train much less fight within it). A place where a form like Z legendary (constantly gathering power) would thrive for combating the issue. Geets leeching with FSF would potential lend him to it, but Daima is before (and unrelated to that continuity). If anything, it is just as likely "SS3" (misnomer) would be even worse than in the mortal plane there. Could go either way in terms of writing. In the 'above' time doesn't mean the same thing and one is granted endless life in form (halo) though at risk (body destruction is soul erasure). The below weighing you down is the mortal world with time and life limits. I would expect time and life drain to worsen in the land of demons, but that's me.
Nice work
Why make up stuff to glaze a character you like more?
Clicks and views
What did he make up
The biggest detriment for SS3 is that it was the first time where the new Super Saiyan form wasn't enough to outclass the big bad villain.
Do a how why vegeta failed ui and ssj 4 video. And a video on how he failed the saiyans and at his pride after finding out what beerus did and doing nothing else about it after beerus wrecks him in a fight then going on to ask beerus to train him after losing to him amd not getting his revenge and then going on to losing against black frieza. Vegeta's lost to frieza 3 times. Goku's beat him twice. You can also do a video on why he failed ue too.
vegeta done got ssj3 now goku aint shit😭
Nah don't disrespect goatku again
Missed opportunity for saiyan god to use kaioken for suprr crimson red boost.
Would look awesome lol
Really, FPSS was the last canon chance to have SSKK. Before making up the strain/drain to remove KK, AT introduced FPSS to give that opening back just to instead make the solution give a bit of power (randomly) and handwave the matter. GT had the chance to bring it back for the pretend fourth form (it has nothing to do with SS) just to pass (instead pulling the same stunt with 'FPSS4' going red and Gogeta's weirdness). "Saiyan God" is what the base should have been called (rather than SSG), and you're right to point out how the low drain/strain means KK could have factored again as ONLY GT uses the non-canon modifier logic, so KK could potentially be worth more than SS for Goku (while Vegeta would do his own thing with SS and beyond **maybe Goku also tries SS1 atop it working towards FPSS** not unlike the anime giving him Evolution with an absurd modifier for what is just USS for some reason).
Making power systems really isn't the specialty of Toriyama at all. Toyo certainly keep it all straight (nor Toei). Constantly changing the rules with poor excuses. We never even got them to do another book giving supposedly credible stats on these things for the fandom to work with. Is SSB really the same as SS1 is to base but where 'SSG' is concerned? It just isn't clear how big the gaps are (as they forms themselves are variable to do with control **getting worse with UI and UE even without memes like intentionally dialing oneself back with ki control to have Blue vastly weaker than base at rest as an ultra suppressed self even as most being can't sense the randomly made up divine energy and they add a higher form for GSK/GLoL**).
Would it be possible to master SSJ 3, like Goku did with normal SSJ, to stop or at least drastically reduce the energy loss?
Enough about how SS3 failed Goku! Let’s talk about how Saiyan Scholar FAILED ME!
What happened Scholar?!?!
WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SOMETHING SPECIAL!!!!!!!!! 😭😭😭
I'm still not sure the relevance of your analysis with the title; you're talking about why Goku made decisions during the fighting fat buu to kid buu but the title is "Why Goku Failed Super Saiyan 3"
This discussion should have been a comparison to his understanding of Super Saiyan 3 to Vegeta in Daima using Mastered Super Saiyan 3, in which case Goku didn't failed at SSJ3 he simply was unaware of the tax to his body that form would do in a living body.
With Vegeta being alive and seeing SSJ3 in action he had gotten a proper understanding of the form and learn to master it before Goku did. So Goku probably just unlocked the form like Frieza did with Golden Form and didn't train with it to deal with the initial drawbacks.
im sure goku can handle it way better now. he didnt struggle against trunks when he transformed. super bein after daima means they both handdle ssj3 well.
I wouldve liked to see goku push into SSJ3 temporarily during things like beam struggles for a huge temporary boost before things like super saiyan god. That way it wouldve been more relevant. Now, outside of daima the form makes less sense to use.
People need to keep in mind a lot of Goku's assessments are made after his battles, he didn't know if he could have killed fat buu at that moment. His assessments are retrospective.
I hate vegetas ss3 he looks like a troll doll
The writing of Daima is ass and didnt consider the problems of the form. Yet Vegeta gets it in a year, alive and whips it out in a weaker body? With no exhaustion?
Just pointless fanservice for Vegeta. "Oh but he deserves it, he finally gets respect" despite having a million forms and fights with Goku in Super. But ill wait for Vegeta to lose and everyone will claim "Akira hates Vegeta"
This could all be explained with saying he received a zenki boost its an already established and understood part of the lore
Let's be honest, battles in DBZ are actually seconds to minutes long at best. If Goku pushed the gas pedal on Fat Buu, he would have won. That minute was enough.
Also let's remember that the strength of Ki is intrinsically tied to a person's mental state, it's possible for Goku's worries and doubts to have lowered SS3s potential max power.
I think mastering God Ki would have allowed Goku to use SSJ3 permanently without a time limit.
Downplay Goku but glaze vegeta?
VEGETA ARE AWESOME!!!
@ no argument there. I fw vegeta too. But how tf goku failed super saiyan 3 but vegeta didnt? And as a dam kid at that. We talking about the same guy that pushed his own son to become the strongest in the cell arc in a year and found a way to optimize super saiyan? I ain’t watched the video “explaining” why and I’m not going to. I’m not hearing it
Facts hurt Anime fans lol
@ who’s hurt? I just don’t care for it.
I think Goku will fail any new form or unfinish the form until he will go to another new form and forgetting the older forms.
It's how Dragon balls go for Goku onwards
Okay but if Goku just died against Kid Buu, he'd just have a halo when he fought Kid Buu. Stamina problem solved!
Maybe Goku went too far deep in himself. Vegeta found the right balance.
Off-topic discussion but do you think kid Buu was searching for the demon realm?Near the end of the last season? Goma and Degesu states that no one can Stand in the way. (Way ) being whatever the ultimate out come of their plan maybe. From what the wishes they wanted the
1 Weaken the Sayans
2 The evil third eye
3 undecided, plot. I’m guessing it’s universal domination.😂 but it sounded like they were stating that Buu is aware of the demon realm.
Super Saiyan 3 was designed to not be a sustainable transformation the way that 100% Full Power Frieza was.
If Super Saiyan 3 is just an endurable, normal transformation, it loses all value, and just becomes another strong guy buff. SS3 means as much as it does BECAUSE it's such a drain on power and therefore under-utilized.
I get everyone loves how cool it looks but there's a reason why Super Saiyan 3 is memorable and Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is not.
Super Saiyan 3 is always better outside of the main continuity. Super Baby 2 and GT SSJ3 actually was worth something. Super Saiyan 3 in DB Heroes is actually powerful and doesn't shut off in mere seconds. Super Saiyan 3 is just written poorly nowadays. There's no logical way it should drain so much while not being that big of a boost.
if we being honest, he failed ssj 2 as well. because we never got to really see him fight alot in ssj 3. and ssj2 besides against Buu and vegeta, We ALWAYS see him fight in ssj 1 however, even in Gt, and ssj god blue, But the same can kinda be said for ssj god , but he at least used it in TOP, and Broly movie,
my prince of all saiyans will never fail super saiyan 3
i always had a theorie that when goku came back to life in the buu saga he came back in the body that he had from the cell saga that is much lower in stamina than what the ssj3 transformation needs but what debunks my theorie is that if it's right then goku should have beem weaker than yamcha when he came back in the sayins saga which obviously wasn't the case but i just wanted to share this with you that's all
Goki really be risking the earth to train his son(again)
Goku didn't learn his lesson the first time
Gotta use past tense. RIP
In Spirit. And still not use to it lol
Ok ENOUGH. Daima characters are CHIBI NOT CHILDREN.
Lol
Hey bro...hate to say it, but it's almost the same thing look at the Chibi Naruto Shippuden show, regards how it is inthe regular shows, chibi versions of anything are always 90% of the time depicted as childlike or childish in manner. Calling them children truly isn't far off js
I thought the whole show was predicated on them being children again.
Their bodies were physically regressed to the age of a small child. Them being mentally older doesn't change the fact that they're in a child's body.
Let me ask you this. What do you call a very responsible and mentally older 10 year old kid? (e.g. the kids who start helping family businesses and taking on responsibilities from a very young age)
I'm just picturing you screaming at people to stop treating them like children because they're not children they're chibis and everyone just going "what freakin drugs is this guy on?"
@Conclusionary3843 epsiode 1 they say it's different from being reverted in age.
Super Saiyan 3 was 25 years ago.
The more I see videos in this account, the more obvious the pattern feels. The user glazes Vegeta way too much
Bro u gotta cool down with this anti goku vids.most ur args are twisted and can be encountred just with the same technique u used.Anyway think about it cuz i am unsubbing if all u have is vegeta goat goku mid.
Don't hate. Appreciate!!😊 VEGETA ARE AWESOME!!
@geraldlahey5305 i ain't hating bro vegeta is literally one of my favorite characters in anime but this is just hating on goku
@gohanx5179 agreed with you bro. Even though VEGETA is my favorite character and a fanboy, I do admit that Goku is stronger.
I always thought it wasn't so much a problem with the form itself as it is that Goku was dead when he unlocked it, so he wasn't used to the limitations of a living body anymore.
And by the time he's mastered Super Saiyan 3 in a living body, he's got better transformations to be using.
The only time Goku has defeated someone with super Saiyan three is either with against the creature from wrath of the dragon and future trunks
Hilarious he ended up having to beat Buu anyway
Why vegeta failed as a sayain he let mutiple low class sayains become super sayians including ssj 1, 2,3, 4, and super sayian god for him to be such an elite prodigy
It was more plot that failed it more that anything else.
So is there a argument on when Goku first fought Beerus on king kai planet, he didn't think he had i mastered yet? plus showing off to blue hair Trunks? (Other than clicks, why you Hate Goku?)
I think with time and proper Master training that Goku could have done at least another world, like he did during the Cell Games in the hyperbolic Time Chamber, would have made Super Saiyan 3 extremely powerful almost akin to how Vegeta have made his own SS3 in Daima.
And yes Vegeta may be a kid now in the Daima Series, but imagine if he transformed into Super Saiyan 3 as an adult imagine how powerful he will be then. This is even further proven to be true during the events of Dragon Ball GT where Super Baby Vegeta 2 is stated to be closed to a Super Saiyan 3.
I think it actually says he's SS3 in Perfect files
@@SaiyanScholar yeah, i believe thats it. But the short version is that at that moment it showed how strong Super Saiyan 3 was at that time before Super Saiyan 4 took the crown.
Answer is no. Neither were serious but goku I think is stronger but not strong enough to beat him before ki drain becomes an issue.
I hope I'm not too late 🗣🔥
Not at all!
Because they need new transformations to keep selling toys
😂 you keep summoning goku meat riders and angering them
Did goku only have like a day to master ssj3 on earth because he said its alot easier being ssj3 when he was in the other world
Pretty much ! Conditioned with an immortal body only
W headcanon
Vegeta over goku I’m for it
I like your username. My future kid(s) will be like you.
The only time that super Saiyan three Goku is useful in wrath of the dragon and against trunks in the goku black Arc
Well, let’s be real here Vegeta super Saiyan three isn’t superior like Goku super Saiyan three it has a time drain thing and plus the battle with what Vegeta was using The form was too quick. Basically it’s just Vegeta like Goku can suffer from power drain like when you compare the how Vegeta uses, but I would think the guardian is way too easy compared to buu if it was up to adult Vegeta, he wouldn’t need to go super Saiyan three just two to beat the second guardian and so what we saw Goku defeat the first guardian in need of super Saiyan three he only turned super Saiyan one and he won just because Vegeta has mastered super Saiyan three it isn’t superior to Goku’s
It was useless for Goku
It would have been awesome against cell or androids
Its pretty silly that the time you ha e on earth is reduced by levels of physical activity.
Very good question and a topic I've got covered soon bro!
Probably is not definitely
You Vegeta fans are the funniest😂😂
Lol
@@SaiyanScholar 🤣🤣🤣
You didn't watch the video before commenting, did you?
First
Yo
Gokus body dint have a soul
Thus energy from otherworldbwas used to ppwer his body
Ki usage amplified this drainage
aka time limit
Ssj3 goku couldve beat fat buu if serious
No ssj3 gokents isnt as strong as goku ssj2
Seriously dude everybody knows in these communities you’re crazy about thinking that Vegeta has a pass Goku how many times has Vegeta got a power of that Goku gets it a bigger power up let’s face it. Vegeta is not gonna be better than Goku this super Saiyan Vegeta crap is not gonna change anything, would you keep saying or nonsense in the false information you got about thinking about what the Goku achieve Vegeta achieve better that’s not true. You just made lies about it and how should we not know that Goku‘s ultra instinct might reach an ultimate capacity might get a new form that Vegeta cannot get on his ultra ego Vegeta never gonna be better than Goku
Ssj3 was just made to fight super buu. It was probably made on the spot . It was an afterthought after that
Im'a Be Honest Every Transformation After Cell Saga Was Trash
Ssj4
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@RainMicroI was considering DBZ and DBS
If you are counting dbs transformations then I agree they are trash,it is just recolor after recolor at this point with a powerscaling that is so inconsistent. SSG should've been dbs main transformation
SSJ3 Teen Vegeta >>> SSJ3 Goku
I like Vegeta as a character a lot. And honestly Vegeta moments are some of DB most impactful ones. Having said that I can’t wait until Goku whips out his SSJ3 and starts taking names