Margaret Tudor: The Forgotten Matriarch of the Monarchy
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- As requested and promised, we’re exploring the life of Margaret Tudor today - we’re going to explore her successes and failures, her betrayals and triumphs - she is, arguably, the matriarch of the monarchy!
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Images (from Wikimedia Commons, unless otherwise stated):
Portrait of the Royal Tudors (The Family of Henry VII with St George and the Dragon) by an unknown artist. At left, Henry VII, with Prince Arthur behind him, then Prince Henry (later Henry VIII), and Prince Edmund, who did not survive early childhood. To the right is Elizabeth of York, with Princess Margaret, then Princess Elizabeth who didn't survive childhood, Princess Mary, and Princess Katherine, who died shortly after her birth (between circa 1503 and circa 1509). Held by the Royal Collection, on display at Hampton Court Palace.
“The Princes in the Tower” by John Everett Millais (1878). Held by the Royal Holloway collection.
Portrait of Arthur, Prince of Wales by an unknown artist of the British School (c.1500). Held by the Royal Collection, displayed at Hampton Court.
Portrait of Elizabeth of York by an unknown artist (late 16th century). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Detail from a painted genealogy showing James I's Tudor ancestry by an unknown artist (1603). From Jane Dunn’s “Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens” 2003 Vintage Books Edition.
Portrait of Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland, by Daniel Mytens (c.1620-38). Held by the Royal Collection.
Portrait of James IV of Scots by an unknown artist (17th century). Held by the National Galleries.
Portrait of King Henry VII by an unknown Netherlandish artist (1505). Held by the National Portrait Gallery.
Portrait of Henry VIII of England attributed to Meynnart Wewyck (c.1509). Held by the Denver Art Museum.
Portrait of Archibald Douglas, 6th Earl of Angus by an unknown artist (c.1500-1599). Held by the Royal Collection at Holyrood Palace.
Double portrait of Princess Mary Tudor and Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk, attributed to Jan Gossaert (c. 1515-1516). Held at Woburn Abbey.
Drawing of John Stuart, Duke of Albany from the workshop of François Clouet (c.1533). Held by the Condé Museum.
Portrait of a Lady believed to be Margaret Douglas by William Scrots (c.1546). Held in an unidentified private collection.
Detail from the portrait of Henry VIII after Hans Holbein (c.1540-1547). Held by the Walker Art Gallery.
Portrait of James V of Scots by an unknown artist (after 1575). Held and hosted by the National Galleries Scotland (www.nationalga...)
Portrait of James V of Scotland by Corneille de Lyon (c.1536). Held in an unknown private collection.
Portrait of Madeleine of Valois, Queen of Scotland by Corneille de Lyon (16th century). Held by the Musée des Beaux-Arts de Blois.
Double portrait of James V of Scots and Marie of Guise by an unknown artist (16th century). Held by Falkland Palace.
Painted genealogy showing James I's Tudor ancestry by an unknown artist (1603). From Jane Dunn’s “Elizabeth and Mary: Cousins, Rivals, Queens” 2003 Vintage Books Edition.
Photograph of HM Queen Elizabeth II greeting NASA employees at the Goddard Space Flight Centre, Maryland, May 2007 - NASA/Bill Ingalls.
Detail of Henry VIII on his death bed, indicating towards his son and heir, from “Edward VI and the Pope: An Allegory of the Reformation” by an unknown artist (1547-the 1570s). Held by the National Portrait Gallery, London.
Quoted texts:
Excerpt from the Act of Succession of 1544.
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I believe that Georgie Henley did a great job playing Margaret in “The Spanish Queen.” She gave her the personality that I imagined that she had.
Yes, I also saw the "Spanish Queen" and the story of Margaret was riveting, albeit sad and forlorn. Margaret did seem to love her 1st husband, the King James, despite the age difference.
I agree. I wanted to know so much more about her after watching that.
Blimey, I didn't think Henry VIII couldn't be anymore of a prick, and yet...
Henry really was awful!! I could not agree more. He Was a nasty, conniving, cunning, loathsome, spiteful, terroristic, cruel, murderous, cantankerous, (I could go on all day) psychopathic Monster!! The more I learn about Henry, the more disdain I have for Him. Speaking of pricks.. perhaps, Henry was lacking in that department, and this contributed to His terrible moods :-)
Nobody cares what you think
Patrick3183 ding ding ding! You won the asshole of the day award.
@@TheOnlyElle. in other words he was a late medieval king, who was just one generation from a civil war, who in his life saw several revolts against his father, and faced several himself. Where his nobles, many his own cousins wanted him killed to replace him on the throne.
Also the simple fact he had few if any children. Which makes his sisters important. There are thoughts he had a genetic condition that didn't mix right with his wives, Katherine was a distant cousin. Also, Margret had the same condition it would seem. As they both also gain a lot of weight and showed signs of Type 2 Diabetes.
He also had several tendencies of a brat, being a younger son who was fawned upon.
You can see Queen Elizabeth of York's parenting style in her three children that survived to adulthood. All three seemed headstrong and wanted what they wanted.
I would also suggest never look with modern eyes, as standards change, and we don't know what society was truly like. What a Monster to us today might be a soft hand back then.
@@ThumperE23 Still don't have any sympathy for him. He treated those he claimed to love like garbage. He even killed those he loved in cold blood. But, some just over looked all of the murder he committed because he was king.
I could listen to this lady reading any of those giant books behind her cover to cover and never get bored.
For a moment, I thought this video was about Margaret Beaufort, the true matriarch of the Tudors.
So glad Dr Kat has done a worthy video on Margaret Tudor Queen of Scots. As expected, it was very well done and very fair.
As Dr Kat says, Margaret's turbulent life would make a good TV series or film all on it's own. Like her sister Mary, Margaret gets overshadowed by Henry and his wives who have been done to death in books and onscreen. Margaret deserves some spotlight. I feel nothing but sympathy for Margaret. She unfortunately has been remembered in negative terms throughout history and unfairly has gotten a bad rep. Her life was dotted with many roadblocks, failures and low points but Margaret shouldered on nonetheless. Not surprisingly, Henry was a less than supportive brother. He and his son Edward may have overlooked Margaret's line in the Succession but Margaret got the last laugh in the end. Her line saw a new house rule in England, the Stuarts, whose descendent Elizabeth II still sits on the throne today as England's longest reigning monarch. Henry must have turned in his grave with this fact and also with the fact that the current Queen is also of Boleyn descent.
If it's true that Mary Boleyn's two Carey children are Henry the 8ths then his descendants are on the throne now too! I wish they'd do a DNA test from his bones to find out! Also the princes in the tower to find out if those are the dead princes there! I read a historical fictional novel about Margaret Tudor years ago and loved it! Felt really bad for her unlike her granddaughter Mary Stuart who I don't feel bad for because she was plotting against Elizabeth I.
@@dineyashworth8578 Well the current Royal family are related to Henry through his sister Margaret
@@dineyashworth8578 Very unlikely that both of Mary Boleyns children could be fathered by Henry. One maybe but not both.
We don't know the timeframe of when Mary was Henry's mistress and we don't know how long the relationship lasted so it doesn't add up to a strong possibility that Henry fathered any of the Carey children
Wow, I never heard about any of this before! What a fascinating woman, it’s a shame she’s rarely ever featured in TV or movies
She is just as interesting as Henry and his wives who have been done to death in onscreen depictions. Margaret deserves some spotlight
I think, it's because Margaret Tudor is stupid. She makes stupid decisions for herself and her children. I think people would get tired of watching her failed attempts.
Her sister, Mary did much better. She got her man Brandon.
Being a woman, in the Tudor time, was difficult. Only men ruled your life. So...it was important as a woman to keep your wits at all times.
@@Odanti Margaret did far more than Mary ever did. Margaret wasn't afraid to take risks regardless of the outcome and she shouldered on after each setback. Her life is incredibly interesting and certainly worthy of a film or TV series. Margaret wasn't stupid, some of her choices were questionable but there could be many reasons for them. She tried to survive in a man's world. Not easy. Mary was famous for who she was rather than what she did, which wasn't much.
Even though they do get some things wrong, The Spanish Princess does include a story arc about Margret Tudor.
@@kennashey No one is criticising or ignoring The Spanish Princess and the inclusion of Margaret Tudor. What we're saying is that Margaret doesn't get portrayed enough onscreen and who's life is so dramatic it could lead it's own series/film. Regardless of what I think about The Spanish Princess, I'm happy that they featured Margaret and her story in some capacity just the same way I like that they depict a young, intelligent, beautiful red haired Catherine of Aragon which makes a change from the usual depiction.
as usual you are a highlight of my week you are smart and i love your voice
Thank you for this. Very interesting and informative 🙂 I really enjoyed the portrayal of her in The Spanish Princess by Georgie Henley.
Why was Edward Seymour, Lord Beauchamp (Katherine Grey son) never seen as the heir to elizabeth?
As the marriage was eventually annulled, the children were rendered illegitimate and so excluded from any claim to the throne.
Thank you Dr. Kat it's always a pleasure! 🌺
You are a wonderful teacher! So glad I found your channel 😊
I am super interested in the fact that HVIII's last will pointedly did not include his elder sister's children. I also would love to know why it excludes Mary the French Queen's daughters? It says the heirs of her body, not her herself... is there a reason why?
My other question is this: if HVIII's last will technically wasn't valid, what did the last valid will say?
I ❤❤❤ your videos.. You are very good fact finder
I agree with your choice of the worst king of England being Henry viii. His Narcissistic, spoiled brat traits started early-his betrayal of his own sister. Practice for when he turns on the two most capable and loyal servants he could ever have who did the hard work for him so he could satisfy his whims with sports, parties etc in order to show off. Can you imagine how his father would have felt to know how his son was as king? A Father who I think had more sense and courage in his pinkie than H had in his entire body.
I think the OG Tudor sisters are so underrated
Margaret Tudor is my 13th Great Grandmother.
Can you please do a series on king Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville which leads into the marriage of Princess Elizabeth York and king Henry VII ( war of the roses), in reference to “The White Queen” and “The White Princess “🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
And is that why we call queen Elizabeth “ I”, the first because Elizabeth Woodville was actually the real first Elizabeth?
Someone below mentioned the art you put up and I agree! It's fantastic! Can I ask, where did the first image of Henry VII's family and St. George and the Dragon come from? I've never seen that one!
It’s held by the Royal Collection, artist unknown. It’s known as “The Family of Henry VII with St George and the Dragon”.
I am dubious that Henry's Council would have written his will to their own ends... that would be a secret too enormous to keep. It would involve the collaboration of many factions. I understand the reluctance of a Scottish foothold into England but not on the grounds of religion only. Mary was named to succeed after Edward - it was obvious where her loyalties lay...If the will was NOT by Henry's hand then why didn't 'they' just rule out Mary and Elizabeth altogether? On the pretense that neither marriage was 'valid'? Sooooo many questions.....can't keep my head from thinking!!!
She is portrayed more accurately in "The Spanish Princess"
I think the succession went exactly as it should have when James Vi I ascended, regardless of Henry's machinations.
I traced back through a DNA test that Margaret Tudor and King James IV of Scotland are my 14 x great-grandparents by blood. It was difficult to trace, as King James IV had a number of mistresses, and I needed to be sure which mistress or legitimate wife produced my ancestral line, and find that I'm also distantly related to the current monarchy through the Scottish line. I find these Reading the Past videos fascinating, as it's part of British history and the nation in general. It's an extremely interesting and complicated history.
I think he knew about the will. He was awful to her throughout his entire life, why stop at death?
I'm curious, why did so many children die back then? Was it mostly illness/disease or dangerous conditions?
Germs everywhere and no soap. Washing your hands with dirty water after being to the toilet, and then using those hands to eat 🤢 I'm amazed that we survived as a species
Plus smallpox,parental syphilis,living conditions,poor nutrition , chronic alcohol consumption during pregnancy,no antibiotics (a sore throat or ear infection?), it goes on and on.
what is a dry stamp?
Do you have a goodreads account? I’d love to see what you’re reading and your thoughts on books you’ve read in the past
Current queen descended from Marg Tudor: what about that "oops" in the DNA from Richard III? One of the dukes made a funny comment about it "explaining" a certain question in their family's lineage (which included his relative, the current queen). Of course, I've read a "so what" she's got the throne by (insert some explanation I can't recall). But, have they tested farther to determine where the break may have come? Was it Cecily Neville's (?) archer which puts MT back in or one of the Hannover queens with a footman which would take her out? But, what about that DNA? Love your classes.
When will Margaret Tudor’s bloodline run out of legitimate heirs? 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
King William I the Conqueror was a direct male line descendant of Antiochus I Soter. 🎭🩰🎨
@@kashfiaislam9995 James VI (I), Charles I and James II descendants. Good luck. Did she have living children by her second husband; they'd be included. I checked a thot I had, her second husband was named Archie.
@@kashfiaislam9995 Something happened to my reply. Wm was born under the rose bush, possibly like some of his ancestors and lots of we plebeians' ancestors.
I don’t know why it is so satisfying to hear that Henry VIII’s wishes for what would happen after he died ultimately came to nothing 😄
I'm glad though that both Henry's daughters succeeded to the throne especially when he thought so little of them
Bit like his Sarcophagus: so glad Nelson came to use it...
Because Henry was so horrible after 20 years as the king. He just ran rampant through wives, changing religions, killing priests and destroying churches and monestaries, beheading wives....chopping off heads of women he was married to. He killed trusted advisors, he was insane.
@@iamauntmeem yes, that was my point ;)
Because he was absolutely monstrous?
I think that Margaret Tudor had the last laugh. As pointed out, it's one of her descendants sitting on the throne of the UK despite the circuitous route of history that put Her Majesty there. Oh yes, HER Majesty: take THAT Henry Tudor, you duplicitous old sod!
Amen!
Think the term that comes to mind is "Up Yours Henry!"
The Queen is also a descendant of Mary Boleyn too
Really disrespectful. Get out of here.
@@Patrick3183 Who and what exactly is supposed to disrespectful?
I would love an episode on the murder of lord Darnley, similar to the ones you did on the murder of Amy Dudley and the princes in the tower. It's such a fascinating and complicated story!
Yes! A perfect example of truth being stranger than fiction! Darnley & his story are fascinating- & linked to Margaret Tudor, ofc, as his mother was the Margaret Douglas mentioned in this vid; Margaret Tudor's daughter with her 2nd husband Archibald Douglas.
I've arrived earlier than Henry III's excuses!
pardon
I first read about Margaret Tudor twenty two years ago. She and her daughter Margaret Douglas remain two of my favorite Tudor characters because they were so interesting and yet not as talked about as Henry VIII and his wives. I always felt Margaret was the female version of her brother Henry. His treatment of her was hypocritical but of course back in those days there was an accepted gender double-standard and Henry VIII was a man with an unbelievable ego. Moreover I think it was sad that he essentially abandoned his own sister.
I agree that Henry and Margaret were similar in personality, which made them butt heads.
I love that you show so much art that I haven’t seen before, even though I’ve been reading Tudor history for 50 years. You’re amazing🙂
I think the petty reason Henry VIII didn’t like his sister Margaret is that she was old enough to boss him when he was a little boy. How dare she, a mere woman? He apparently loved his little sister, Mary, because he got to boss her. Such were the feelings that dictated his national politics and policy: childhood rivalries and squabbles. Henry VIII, the King who never grew up, mentally or emotionally.
He loved his sister Mary who could wrap Henry around her little finger. I think Henry and Margaret shared similar qualities so never got on. Also Henry hated the Scots and probably saw his sister as one.
Henry VIIIs head injury didnt do his personality any favours.
Oddleah that had nothing to do with it. That occured well acter he threw his faithful wife to the wayside and abused his daughter
As my son said to his older sister, “You’re not the boss of me!”
@@margo3367 And my older granddaughter said to her younger brother. LOL
King Henry caused so many problems for those around him.
That was the one thing Henry excelled at.. creating problems for others!
Thank you for bringing us Margaret's story. It is reinforcing my current position on marriage - that I never do it again ;-)
Kat The Scribe Right there with you! Never again! 😆❤️🌹
I was thinking the same thing!! It has and always will subjugate women. Marriage is a governmental institution. I don’t need the government in my relationships.
Not that you aren't entitled to that opinion, but a 500 year old example is an appeal to antiquity and bad logic. Stick with citing present situations and examples when defending that stance.
I'm sorry that you never found anyone who was worthy of your love and respect. When that happens, marriage is one of the most wonderful institutions humanity has ever created.
It sucked being a woman until the 20th C, when we got the right to vote, at least. I’ve been waiting and hoping for the ERA to pass here in the US since I was a little girl, I’m 61 now.
As with most things, that depends on the who, what, where, and when. People often view all of world history through the lens of a stereotyped version of medieval Europe, which tends to end up homogenizing millions of disparate cultures and eras. There are plenty of cultures where women were able to hold some level of status and even get an education, such as Ancient Sparta, the pre-colonial Iroquois nation, feudal Japan, and the Viking-era Norse.
I don’t think that handful of outliers is sufficient proof of anything resembling equality or even equity through all of history.
@@jrojala I’m not saying that women were equal or equitable to men historically, what I’m saying is that painting all of history with a Eurocentric brush erases the women of these cultures. Iroquois women voted and participated in politics. Norse women could get divorced and there’s some evidence they participated warfare. Japanese women wrote poetry and kept though records of their lives. Spartan women were also educated and ran the government while the men were away.
You can thank a woman for the no -passage of that amendment: Phyllis Schafly, the woman who organised the
"Moral Majority."
It’s gratifying that Margaret Tudor’s heirs eventually took the throne of England, considering how badly she was treated by Henry VIII. There is a certain karma to it that is quite satisfying. It’s just a shame she didn’t live to see it.
Maybe Margaret should have helped Angus have an accident to get control of her life back. But I suppose she wasn't heartless like her brother.
Yesss! Finally. She is, after all the one whos descendant is sitting on the throne. I agree, her life is interesting enough for a TV series. There is enough material for a few seasons. Any producer watching?
Margaret is portrayed in The Spanish Princess, badly. Although the show is supposed to be a drama.. it's more like a comedy..a bad comedy at that haha!
Margaret always gets overshadowed by Henry and his wives who have been done to death in books and onscreen adaptions
@@Shane-Flanagan : surely starz or hbo , philipa gregory should do a series about the first stuart kings...robert III in 1473,
he is almost unkown, as most think stuarts started in 1603....
also being that the scottish crown jewels, are not in the tower of london, but edinburgh castle...
@@jardon8636 Yes they started rule in England in 1603 but some forget their prior Historical rule in Scotland
That would be lovely!
Dr Kat, sure glad didn't live during that time! We females nothing but pawns in a chess game not of our making. Bet Margaret was in a depression most of her life & it wasn't her fault butothers wanting her money or status or maybe things haven't changed that much over the millennia!
Poor Margaret Tudor! She suffered because of the men around her.
So many low points in her life. Very sad. Margaret was strong though, she carried on after each setback and never gave up
It was the life of most women at the time and through history ….even today
From my understanding, Henry VIII forgave Mary Tudor but did not forgive Margaret Tudor. There's so much in his life that shows him as a spoiled little boy who always wanted his way; and if anyone breathed without asking his permission, they are in trouble.
I have a question: what was Scotland's relationship with England? They had, up until James Vi & I, their own monarch, but there are several times before that when England treats them like a younger sibling and simply tells them what to do. I have never understood it.
That's a very complex topic (still is even to this day). Basically centuries of fighting and dispute over land. English kings wanted more land and wanted Scotland to be under their control. At this point in time Scotland is recognised as a sovereign nation due to Robert the Bruce in 1314.
I've always thought it was a matter of pride for some kings. How could they make campaigns to control France etc when they couldn't control the entire island they lived on?
I love your channel! Poor Margret that was a really tough life. I was surprised that the Pope granted the annulment....and Henry, I really believe that his accident made him way worse of a person and had potentially brain damage. Since what we know of him before the jousting accident. Anyone that had a relationship with him was probably living in fear of him.
I wonder how many of the enormous number of infant deaths were caused by crib death in the past. Doctors today still have to urge mothers never to put their babies to sleep face down. Of course, now-treatable, or -preventable, early childhood diseases must have played a part, too. It’s just terrible how low the survival to adulthood rate was.
Putting babies face down is a 1970s thing. It was an attempt to reduce crib death. Infant mortality until the 20th century was between 20 to 40%. Most of it due to disease, much of it due to unsanitary conditions of the cities, un treated water and raw milk. Also the incredible poverty where the pregnant women got very bad food. Add to this the 20% of the British population in the 1800 had syphilis and it is a wonder any child survived
Thank goodness it's not the sixteenth century any more. This story really makes it sound like a horrible time to be a woman.
I think that despite Margaret's disenfranchisement during her own lifetime, the fact that her direct descendant Queen Elizabeth II sits on the throne of England gave her the ultimate victory after all! Good for her 👍🏿
I'm an American obsessed with European history right now after watching The Tudors and Versailles and wanting to know how accurate it was. You are by far my favorite RUclipsr for this subject!
I've said this before but your intro "hi and you are very welcome" always makes me giggle because sadly I typically only hear that phrase sarcastically here. 😅
Thank your sharing your great knowledge!! ❤
I really enjoyed Versailles, but couldn't stomach The Tudors.
I love both of them too 😀 if you enjoy that time period then you should also check out the tv series ‘reign’ it’s about Mary queen of Scots early life through to her execution. It’s Just a suggestion but you might enjoy that programme too 🙂 x
And I would also suggest ‘the white queen’, ‘the white princess’, and ‘the Spanish princess’. They cover the time periods from the war of the roses to Henry the eighth marriage to Catherine of Aragon. All 3 series are absolutely brilliant, I’m sure you would enjoy them. I live in the uk and I watch them on amazon prime. So if you have amazon prime I highly recommend these 3 series. Enjoy squirrel girl 😀 xx
@@jessrosefawkes2721 wow thank you so much for those suggestions!!! I actually just started reign!!! I do have Amazon so I will have to check those out!
Thank you so so much! 🥰
@@adunreathcooper I've watches Versailles 3 times through, I started with the Tudors and honestly didn't really know anything about that time period to start.
Why couldn't you stomach it? Genuine question, no hate or anything just curious why?
starting to think that this Henry VIII guy doesn't have the best attitude towards women...
Ah a Tudor themed video again 😍 was just about to eat dinner and thought I‘d love to watch a video by Dr Kat while eating and here you are! Perfect timing!
*Please make a video about good, historically accurate books about the Tudors (non-fiction). I see so many of them in your shelf, you probably have a few good recommendations for us. Or if someome here in the comments can suggest one or two books I‘d be grateful, too.*
I second this request! I too, keep looking at the books on Dr. Kat's shelves :-)
I’m glad I’m not the only weirdo trying to read her book titles. 🤣
I'm no Dr. Kat, but these books are well-researched & refer to original sources, & some have been recommended to me by historians:
Young & Damned & Fair: The Life & Tragedy of Catherine Howard at the Court of Henry VIII, by Gareth Russell.
Prince Arthur: The Tudor King Who Never Was, by Sean Cunningham.
George Boleyn: Tudor Poet, Courtier & Diplomat, by Clare Cherry & Claire Ridgway (Claire Ridgway's also written books on Anne Boleyn & Tudor events day-by-day.)
Elizabeth's Spy Master: Francis Walsingham & the Secret War that Saved England, by Robert Hutchinson.
Then there are Antonia Fraser's classics, The 6 Wives of Henry VIII, & Mary Queen of Scots, but I've not read them in ages.
You asked for non-fiction, & I'd _never_ suggest fiction as a substitute! However, I've read a novel about Letttice Knollys (Mary Boleyn's granddaughter, & "rival" to her cousin Elizabeth I), which turned out to be _amazingly_ historically accurate- when I learnt more about Elizabeth's court from good sources, I immediately recognised the people & their stories, & realised I'd gotten loads of accurate Tudor history for free! The writing's not as good as Philippa Gregory's, but we know how accurate she isn't- pure invention is more like it!- whereas The Queen's Enemy by Victoria Holt won't leave you confused about what did & didn't happen- it'll leave you unable to forget people like Robert Dudley, & what they did, & make it very easy to learn about Elizabeth's court when you do read non-fiction.
@@beth7935 Thank you so much, that's really useful! 🌹
Margaret got the last laugh!
I know that being "cool" is not something about which don't you necessarily care, but you are cool☺
I'm just waiting for your channel to totally blow up with subscribers because it's the most detailed, and I think the most entertaining and fascinating Tudor history channel on RUclips. Cheers, girl! Awesome job once again 🙂
And, once again Henry misused those around them including his sisters. He was a monster.
Henry VIII was indeed a monster!
Throughout his lifetime, Henry VIII resisted the authority of women and the possibility that they would occupy the throne of England, and yet after his death, that's exactly what happened...for generations!!!! Mary, Elizabeth, Victoria and Elizabeth II.
Margaret Tudor had the last laugh indeed.
I really enjoyed this video. You gave me a new perspective to Margaret's life and some of the things she experienced. I think we need to have more womens' perspectives on history ... well, more of their perspective on everything really!
She was a very strong woman to endure all she did.
I always wonder how queen Elizabeth is a descendant of Mary boleyn and Margaret Tudor.
For a moment I thought you were talking about Elizabeth I and got really confused lol.
Mary Boleyn = Catherine Carey = Lettice Knollys = Robert Devereux, Earl of Essex = Frances Devereux = Lady Jane Seymour = Charles Boyle, Earl of Burlington = Richard Boyle, Earl of Burlington = Charlotte Boyle, Baroness Clifford = Dorothy Cavendish = Charles Cavendish-Bentinck = Charles Cavendish-Bentinck = Cecilia-Nina Cavendish-Bentinck = Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, The Queen Mother = Queen Elizabeth II.
Also, George VI had a Tudor bloodline .... and so had the Queen Mother
Mary Tudor = Frances Brandon, Duchess of Suffolk = Lady Catherine Grey = Edward Seymour, Lord Beauchamp = William Seymour, 2nd Duke of Sommerset = Lady Jane Seymour = Charles Boyle, 3rd Earl of Cork = Richard Boyle, 4th Earl of Cork = Charlotte Elizabeth Boyle, Baroness Clifford = Lady Dorothy Cavendish = Lord William Charles Augustus Cavendish-Bentick = Revd Charles William Frederick Cavendish-Bentick, = Nina Cecilia Cavendish-Bentick = HM Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother = Queen Elizabeth II.
When Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon married Prince Albert (later George VI) it merged to Tudor bloodlines, as he was a direct descendant of Margaret Tudor, Queen of Scotland, older sister of Henry VIII (also the daughter of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York). The line from Margaret Tudor to Queen Elizabeth II goes;
Margaret Tudor = James V of Scotland = Mary, Queen of Scots = James VI/I of England = Elizabeth of Bohemia = Sophia, Electress of Hanover = George I = George II = Frederick, Prince of Wales = George III = Prince Edward, Duke of Kent = Queen Victoria = Edward VII = George V = George VI = Elizabeth II.
Princess Diana and Kate Middleton are also descendents of Mary Boleyn
What a marvelous video! It seems so little exploration is done into Mary and Margaret, ever eclipsed by Henry. I would be most thankful if you would consider one day making a video about Elizabeth Woodville. I find her fascinating! Also, Jacquetta of Luxembourg's role in the War of the Roses.
I'd love to hear more about Jacquetta especially.
In this era many English and Scottish girls and boys landed in the French court. How would this be wrangled, through the diplomats? Would the French queen put out an 'ad' she needed Ladies in Waiting, as an example? Also, in the case of Anne Bolyne would her knowledge of the French court be a reason to include her in the English court? I'm not all that familiar with the Scottish court in this era, so didn't use them as examples.
I believe Ann was in the courts because her Father was a wealthy merchant (it was good for trade). Her Uncle, was the wealthy and powerful Duke Norfolk. Perhaps it was was for clout for her father and uncle that she was sent (I believe she was in Denmark for a short time, too. I know it was a lowland country in that area). Her sister went as well for a time. I think they wanted her to make a good marriage. We don’t know exactly why she didn’t, but there are theories (such as being a lover to the King of France. Her sister he dubbed “The English Mare” most likely was his lover). Ann was brought home at roughly 18-20 (as her exact age is not pinpointed. At least it wasn’t the last time I read about her in The Six Wives of Henry VIII by Allison Weir). Perhaps it is because she wasn’t married that they brought her home so they could make a marriage? Most wealthy/noble women were, at that age, often married (and mothers by 20). There has most always been links between France and Scotland (probably due to their mutual hated of England).
@@MountainPearls Thank you for the reply, but it doesn't cover the subject I am asking about: How did the wealthy man know the royals needed their children? What was the process to get one's children into the courts to serve the royals?
I'm guessing it's just part of tradition. Royal women would always require new ladies as they were married off in turn. Women often died in childbirth so wealthy men could go through multiple wives.
I watched a tv drama (obviously not the best source) but the father wrote to the court saying he had children he would like to present and offer into service.
Margaret Tudor was my 14x great grandmother! Thank you for posting this!
Wow! That's so cool :) I love history. Did you do a DNA test? I don't know much about my background :(
@@TheInvestiGatorYT I did but that’s not how I found the link. Lots of people doing genealogy and proving it by documentation. I have genetic through-lines back to 1740.
I started in 2006 on ancestry but branched out to several other services to try to verify as I went back. My mother started the tree over 40 years ago on paper. It’s nice to confirm what she had researched “the hard way”.
@@GoneWithTheGail That's amazing and so fascinating to know the family that came before you :)
She's my 13x great-grandmother, through an illegitimate son of her son James V, Robert Stewart. Funnily enough, Robert's mother, Euphemia Elphinstone, was the daughter of one of Margaret's English ladies-in-waiting! What's your connection?... Like your Mum, mine started 35yrs ago on paper, & cross-checked & verified every record- that's how you know it's legit, whereas ancestry. com isn't necessarily a reliable source, as you'd know, cos it just contains info put up by anyone, not always with the documentation to back it up. Mum's found endless mistakes.
How do you get _genetic_ through-lines to 1740? Genetic recombination would surely make it insanely difficult? It's that time period though: bridging the gap between "average" people, where the records generally drop out by the 1700s at best, & however far back you have to go til you run into the nobility, then royalty. Again funnily, my ancestor from this line who came to Australia married a convict!
Greetings from New Orleans, Cousin!! Margaret is my 12xGG! Your RUclips name indicates that you must be from the U.S. South as well.
Margaret Tudor is my spirit animal. It's so hard to find info on her.
Absolutely brilliant as always, Dr Kat
When will Margaret Tudor’s bloodline run out of legitimate heirs? 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
That poor woman, all those lost babies and all those duplicitous men. At least we have our wonderful queen to thank her for. Great film.
She had a very hard life, married at 13 couldn't have been a good thing.
@Gina Colvin, Yes well, after the death of the Queen, you won't be so happy when Charles sits on the throne. Now that the DoE is dead, Charles has announced that Edward will NOT be receiving his fathers former Dukedom. Charles is going down a bad road...
@@meeeka Gossip! Who was granted the DofE title on his birthday, was it?
Please cover Lady Margaret Beaufort (Henry VIII's grandmother) next!!! :D
That would be great. Margaret was such a strong, formidable woman who often gets overlooked. When I saw the word matriarch in the video title, I momentarily thought this video was about Margaret, the true matriarch of the Tudors.
Yes! This would be amazing!
Married at 14 not really old enough to learn the skills of life, probably envious of her brother's court which at the time would have been full of dancing etc. she seems to have been trapped
Perhaps not. Contrary to stereotypes of Scotland, James IV's court was praised as highly cultured & educated, & he was praised as an ideal Renaissance king. He was a good musician- there certainly would've been dancing & other courtly entertainments. He's widely seen as one of Scotland's best kings. I believe Margaret was homesick, but cos she missed her family, not cos Scotland was awful. James treated her well by the standards of the time- for example, leaving her as Regent showed he thought highly of her: he believed she was capable, & trusted her to do the right thing.
@@beth7935 I agree when James was alive this might have been the case I was thinking more of when her child was a baby and the regencies changed
@@hazelmeldrum5860 I know less of that time, & I'm sure it was different in ways- I don't think it would've changed drastically, but I haven't got the facts there! It definitely seems like a hard time for Margaret tho- taking her children was unnecessarily cruel.
Women and their feelings certainly were disregarded. Their families more or less saw them as goods for sale in order strengthen their own position. Marrying off such a young child was cruel and unacceptable today but oddly enough Margaret's first husband was better than the other two
I'd love a take on Perkin Warbeck. So many accepted him as the Duke of York it makes you wonder why?
As I watched it, I couldn’t help thinking of how so many people say Mary, Queen of Scots’ downfall was in large part due to her terrible taste in men. Unfortunately, it seems she got that trait from Margaret.
It’s hard to know what she was thinking at the time-even royal women had pretty limited choices in life-but with the benefit of history it seems Margaret could’ve saved herself decades of heartache if she hadn’t gotten entangled with the men she chose after James IV died.
Thank you! Thank you very much!!! ❤💙
I was waiting for your video today and I was very pleased that it was about Margaret Tudor! 😍
Thank you, I was waiting for Margaret Tudor's video. Life of a princess was no rose garden. About the will I wouldn't put it past Henri nor his counselors. Either way thank goodness for the dry stamp as it is quite possible in diminished circumstances to sign things from "trusted" people without knowing what is signed. a real last minute will. Thank you again.
I will always hum the theme tune from Dr Kat
Never tire of hearing it 💕
It's such a fun little ditty ;-)
It’s fun isn’t it. Just a happy, fun tune 🦘🦘🦘🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
Every time I hear it, I have to clap in time. Or else.
LOL When Dr. Kat says, "Well, there you go" about Henry's disloyalty.... Her comedic timing: I'm here for it.
Did Henry VIII dictate the last will or not... I am not an expert to judge that. However, do I think it reflected the King's wishes? Yes I do. It seems obvious Henry would exclude his eldest sister, and her Scottish descendents, for the very reason that they are Scottish. The royal marriage had not produced peace as was hoped. Why then, would King Henry, who was feeling vulneralbe on his deathbed, and who had only 1 male heir (not a spare), give even the slimmest of openings to his enemies up North? He would not. There is already the history of when King Henry stepped out of the country, Scotland attacked. I can't imagine this King giving Scotland any status in his will and thereby an opening to attach once he steps out of the country forever.
When Henry "steps out the country" he's attacking France. Scotland were keeping to the auld alliance
Oh how I wish my mother was still here....she would have thoroughly enjoyed each and every youtube segment you have posted. My mother was a 'brazen passionate woman' who lived and breathed history, even returning to University (Stanford) in her later years to earn a degree in it. She rarely watched TV, considering it an erroneous 'distraction'. Always had her nose buried in a book, and unfortunately always underlining in red pen and making notes in the margin whether they were her books or not ! She was banned for 2 years from the Stanford library when they backtracked the common denominator in these 'occurrences'.
Excellent job Dr Kat ! Love it.
Oddly, makes me feel like my mom is still here and I am listening to her talk about these same things - thank you so much.
Your face when you said “Any future wife?!” 😂😂😂
By the way, why was it that after Elizabeth's the succession was in Margaret's line, since that Henry VIII's will seemed to have been observed (somewhat) until then? Did the Jane Grey episode disqualify Mary's descendants, or did they just decide that after all, primogeniture applied, will or not?
Essentially Elizabeth Ist slowly but surely undermined the the pretension's of Mary's descendants [ the younger sisters of Lady Jane Grey ] despite ministers like William Cecil preferring the Grey line for religious reasons. Although she kept her prisoner and never acknowledged her position, Elizabeth's actions show she believed Mary Queen of Scots line was the rightful line of succession.
Also, Margaret was the older sister so it does make sense that her line would be favored in the line of succession. I also think Scotland was in the modest of its own Protestant revolution either when Henry died or soon afterward so there wasn’t a way for him to know James VI would’ve been raised Protestant instead of catholic.
Geez! Life was seriously rough for Tudor women!!!
She was 14 he was 30!
Poor Margaret, her brother always working against her even supporting Angus when she needed help to get rid of him . Seems that then women were not appreciated or value. I can only imagine how Margaret was feeling.
Thank you for your videos! I always look forward to them.
Henry viii is just the worst.
I have never been this early, and am so interested to learn about a lesser discussed Tudor!
She does such an awesome job.. I honestly don't know how she remembers so much of all their personal histories and puts together such detailed videos, but it's the most concise Tudor history Channel I've ever found. Anyway, if you haven't checked out all her videos there are so many on the lesser known royals! Cheers
@@MrAdryan1603 yes! Her channel is so lovely. I find the videos are so well thought out that they manage to be thorough and entertaining. :) I'm a big fan.
@@RelientK16 Right on, me too. You seem really nice. Cheers, have a great day!
@@MrAdryan1603 cheers, you too!
I never noticed before that Margaret's and Mary's 2nd marriages happened so close together; I wonder if Margaret's second marriage helped give Mary courage to make her own choice for her second marriage. Margaret must have felt so alone when her son was taken away & both her husband and brother betrayed her. I didn't think I could feel any more disgusted by Henry VIII, but I was wrong. I think you're right about Mary's actions in making nice with her brother - I think she realized that her power was limited, and she needed to look out for her son's future. Your suggestion about Henry's final will perhaps not being his will at all is pretty mind-boggling; it's the first time I've heard that idea.
Margaret is a lesson in how difficult it was to find an honourable, faithful, reliable husband - especially if marriage to you brought him power. A lesson learned by Elizabeth I.
I have always wondered where we would be if Prince Edward had married his cousin Lady Jane Grey and produced a son (Henry IX?) before his death? Instead of a Nine Days Queen, I think Lady Jane would have been a formidable Dowager Queen Mother, and once in power, somewhat in the image of Margaret Beaufort! Her son would certainly not have married a Catholic so perhaps the Netherlands or Scandinavian countries would have had stronger alliances and marriages earlier with England? Mary and Elizabeth just spinster Aunts, no Stuarts, No Georges, no Victoria and no Windsors! No Kaiser Wilhelm and WWI, and perhaps the Romanovs still ruling because Victoria’s hemophilia would not have made it into the line of the Tsars.
Imagine!
Wow, as a descendant of the Tudors and Mary Queen of Scots I found this to be very interesting. I think Henry VIII might have started the will. However, I feel his inner circle did the rest.
Gosh I love this channel! Have been binge watching and can’t get enough😀😀😀
When will Margaret Tudor’s bloodline run out of legitimate heirs? 👗👠👑💍🇬🇧
Thanks Dr Kat, I really enjoy your history lessons.
I never tire of Tudor history, and Tudor history never runs out of interesting characters and plots. Dr. Kat, you do such a wonderful job. Thank you!!
Speaking of Margaret's life being easily turned into a TV show. Has anyone seen the Starz tv show- The Spanish Princess?? Margaret is portrayed in the show, as is King James and some Scottish nobles. The ridiculous Scottish stereotypes in this show are unreal! Being Scottish Myself, If these stereotypes weren't so laughable, I could be mildly offended lol.
A Great video about Margaret Tudor. She really was a character. The annulment excuse Meg used to dissolve Her 2nd marriage was some story in itself! :)
That show is so unbelievably bad. All of my mother's side of my family is Spanish and I can assure you that the stereotypes (not to mention the terrible Spanish accents) aren't just for the Scotts. I couldn't stomach watching more that one series, I tried to watch the second one but I just had to stop before I ended up pulling my hair out!
Yes- I believe her argument was about James surviving Flodden??? I haven't seen that show, it'd make me shout or cry- & even more so if they portray James horribly! I'm not Scottish, but from what I know, he seems like a decent bloke for the time & a good king- I think he's still seen as one of Scotland's best kings. And I dunno how they portrayed Scotland, but if it was as an "uncultured backwater", that sounds deeply wrong to me too!
@@purpleflight9083 Oh, it really is awful! They even have Margaret punching Scottish Nobles.. to "ascert Her dominance" .. cringe haha!
@@gabrielanario6591 It seems the show really is one big, badly acted stereotype then! I thought it was just Me that thought the show was bloody awful. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one that find's it mildly offensive. Margaret"s and Katherine of Aragon's, life stories deserve so much better!!
@@beth7935 Haha! That's right. Margaret managed to get Her despised marriage annuled by claiming James had lived through Flodden, but had lost His memory (I believe) and was living as a beggar. A very smart manoeuvre from Margaret, and a funny one!!
In the the show, James is portrayed like a character from the kid's TV show "Horrible Histories" !! And, yes, You're totally correct. Scotland is very much portrayed as an "uncultured back water" to the point that it's cringe worthy and embarrassing! I think the children's show "Horrible Histories" probably has better script writer's :-)
Why did Margaret lose custody of her sons? How unfair.
All children were usually considered to be the property of the husband - a widow could be left in charge of them like her former husband’s other property but at her remarriage her claims would almost always come to an end. Possession would frequently then go to her former husband’s near kin.
For example: Margaret Beaufort had to leave Henry with his uncle Jasper Tudor when she sought to remarry. In her case, as their relationship was friendly, she had unlimited access to her son and was seemingly allowed a large amount of say in his upbringing.
@@ReadingthePast What an untenable custom, to have a child taken from their mother. Thank you very much for your reply.
I'll echo some of the comments here, including Dr. Kat - I believe her story deserves a feature presentation in film or television! But I worry the industry would pervert it :( 😞
Love the video. Have spent some time reading and researching Margaret Tudor over the past few months. Henry VIII was a ball of contradictions and his alliances changed as the winds blew. It was clear (to me, anyway) that he clearly preferred his sister Mary and Margaret was "out of sight,, out of mind". Being that he was young when she went to Scotland he may not have felt the sibling connection to her that he did with Mary. However, in my studies I believe the Tudors, with little exception looked out for one another. James V as a male would have been Henry's heir for some time. I believe any changes in the will were done by "trusted" advisors to maintain their position and control with the young Edward. Seeing him to adulthood and securing the male line and their fortunes. Margaret, to my thinking, was very much a victim of the men who surrounded and ultimately controlled her.
King Henry’s sisters got a raw deal. But I’m glad that Tudor linage still lives on.
Thank you for your amazing videos!!!
And the Boleyn lineage too!
@@Shane-Flanagan absolutely 😁
Henry VIII: I’m a great son, father, and husband!
Margaret: Notice how he didn’t say brother.
I think women had a raw deal and still probably do xxx
No probably about it, the evidence is overwhelming, the patriarchy is very much alive.
They never got along so it made sense he would cut her out of the will. She was a loose woman in his eyes because she was twice divorced. His colorful marriage history didn't matter in his eyes.
Henry was so egotistical and self-centered, I could accept his having expressed these wishes. But the royal court was all about power grabbing, so it could have been a court decision without Henry’s knowledge.
“Welcomed by Henry-“
Me *out loud proudly at 7:30am: Bastard!
I don't think Henry VIII saw the will before it was stamped as he was much to ill at the time. I'd love an in-depth analysis of the various councilors who served under Henry VIII and Edward VI, how each of them were aligned, what they had at stake during the reign and death of those two monarchs. The will of Edward VI fascinates me, and I'm interested in how those councilors may or may not have affected it.
Sometimes I wonder why they really did marriage alliances. Many of them were failures in that it didn't solve their international relations. Many wars occurred despite a marriage alliance in place.
I never knew there was any question about Henry's wishes for the succession! The reasons for his wishes have been endlessly discussed- but the fact that it's possible they _weren't_ his wishes, due to the lack of signature, is fascinating! And if his will didn't fit his law, could it really be said to overrule Edward's device for the succession? It at least begs the question... Not that the people would've accepted Jane as queen anyway, but it would affect the interpretation of her status today.
It astonishes me how much I despise Henry VIII despite all the centuries between us. What a total waste. It's comforting to know that almost nothing happened the way he wanted after he died and that they threw his coffin into a leaky basement where it remains to this day.
I for one do NOT think Henry's Councillors wrote the will to avoid a Catholic successor....if they had, they wouldn't have put the Lady Mary forward as second in line after Edward.