I think Henry VIII loved and respected Brandon like an older brother because he never really got to know Arthur and his relationship with his father was very cold. Brandon became the male role model for the young king that he had never had and a true friend.
There's definitely hero worship amongst families/close friends. From childhood my aunt idolized one of her cousins who, to be frank, is an extremely difficult and selfish person nobody else in the family really has time for. She's sided with her over some really screwy stuff over the years.
I would like to suggest that Henry's relationship with Brandon, is probably the first time he fell in love. This was his best friend and confidant. And no, I am not going for broke here, the kind of love you feel for the best friend of your youth. This is the one love in Henry's experience that lasted a lifetime.
Step 1: Be a child of a war hero Step 2: Do not be part of the old nobility Step 3: Marry a princess Step 4: Survive step 3 and get away with it Step 5: Just say yes to everything, anything Henry says is a good idea. Step 6: Profit and survival!
All his male heirs died though like Henry. Although he was none the wiser about the last two. I find it fascinating about Henry and his problem to have a male heir. The family he spurned had them but the family he had in the succession all of the boys died.
Charles Brandon strikes me as one of those guys, and everyone knows at least one, who is selfish and terrible, but so charming and personable you can’t help but like him, even when you know you shouldn’t. Even Henry VIII fell under his spell, and that kept him alive.
One more insightful mini biopic. I always saw Brandon as the personality template young Henry could relate to and chose to emulate. They were clearly very similar. Henry could not hate Brandon for long, it would have been like hating himself. Instinctively, Brandon must have recognised hos own personality traits in Henry and therefore knew how far not to go.
YES, YES, YES! Morriganwitch, I *completely* concur. I believe that Brandon was a duplicate version of Henry -- a bluff, sensual jouster & warrior who physically resembled Henry.
How much influence, behavior wise, do you think Charles Brandon had on the behavior of Henry? It seems to me that Charles Brandon's marriages/abandonments pre dated the way Henry behaved in his Marriages. Missing, obviously, that Charles Brandon never had anyone beheaded. But the similarities are astounding. Thank you for a great video.
That’s a really interesting question. I can definitely see Brandon’s behaviour bolstering Henry, especially in his attempts to leave Katherine of Aragon. Once he remade his world to do that, however, I think all bets were off as to how far he would go! My grandad always told me to judge a person by the company they keep - words to live by!
Good point - I think the age difference would have been just right for Henry to be influenced by Brandon - but it must have been in Henry’s nature to be influenced as this roistering wouldn’t have suited Henry vII And as an aside Henry must have been quite jealous that Brandon had fathered 4 sons in and out of wedlock and Henry only 2 that lived to any age - I think it again speaks to Brandon’s charm that things like that were not allowed to overshadow the relationship
I just wrote something very similar here (since deleted once I saw your comment). I too wonder how much he influenced Henry? And had he not been so visible to Henry growing up, that maybe he would have turned out a lot differently? Interesting thought.
I love this video! Brandon has always been one of my favorite characters of the Tudor era owing mostly to the fact that he survived the era with his head intact. Maybe a little bit because Henry Cavill played him so well in the Tudor TV series. I mean, Brandon as a person is truly awful and I love your description of him and his affinity for profit and pleasures of the flesh. I think that's probably a perfect description. Henry and Brandon - OTP (One True Pairing!)
It's amazing that Henry didn't kill him when he had the chance. He was living the life Henry actually wanted to live, so he sorta forgave him for his behaviors. Thank you Dr. Kat!! You really open up my eyes about history & I am so grateful for your little snippets!💜💜
I just love English history. Which can be very confusing, to say the least. That is why I am so very happy to have discovered Dr. Kat on RUclips! Thank you, Dr. Kat, for your ability to so clearly relate stories from your country's history in such a clear and entertaining manner. My wife and I frequently watch your videos together. I am American and I have no English ancestors (British Commonwealth, yes, English, no), but I take great delight in learning about the British monarchy, the people around them, and their myriad machinations.
I think Charles Brandon was Henry's brother from another mother as they say. In addition to greed, licentiousness. and misogyny he must have shared some of Henry's brutal nature. Both were self serving to an incredible degree. Henry had the power to execute his perceived enemies and Charles had to use more subtle methods. He stood by his King through all the cruelty of his reign and I can't help but believe he was OK with it as long as he had the freedom to be the rotter that he was
Sometimes there’s no friend like an old friend. Henry could be vicious and mean but he also had very few friends from his childhood. Also, Charles had no royal blood.
My all-time favourite show back in the day was the Tudors. I've sorely missed that show ever since it ended... but I THANK GOD for this channel! It fills the void left in my life post-Tudors, and sates my thirst for knowledge of this era. I was also quite amazed at how many liberties that the show took. Especially learning (after watching the vid on Mary Tudor) how much they totally mangled the real-life story of Mary and Charles Brandon (despite how minor their characters were).
I often think Charles Brandon isn’t talked about enough so yay for this video!! Whoever he may have really been in life, I am still endlessly fascinated by this man who not only survived Henry VIII’s reign pretty much unscathed but also managed to get Henry to pay for his funeral. Like seriously, this man’s luck and charm must have been so on point given how many people’s heads have rolled for less than some of his shenanigans.
Reading the comments and listening to you, Dr Kat, I'm reminded that history never dies. Our opinions and assessment of these people is as real and as current as the comments sections of channels about the House of Windsor, today. So, thank you for bringing us new subjects and facts to ponder. "Now I know *all* about the Tudors" Said no-one ever!
I hadn't realised before just what an extremely "busy" gentleman Charles Brandon was!!! Thankyou, as ever Dr Kat, for this enlightening and entertaining explanation of such a full life lead in the pursuit of profit, personal betterment and lustful gratification. Charles must have possessed one hell of a charismatic personality in order to survive his behaviour towards Henry VIII. Though I do concur that the two men must have been like two peas in a pod and Henry must have seen much of himself in Charles, which was his chief saving grace. Stay safe and well. Good wishes to yourself, Jaime and Gabriel ❤.
My first encounter with Charles Brandon was in The Tudors, with Henry Cavill playing the part. He was so handsome, dashing and roguish and the love story as portrayed between him and Mary seemed so romantic that it took me quite by surprise when I did some further reading about him. That Henry spared him when he so easily called in the executioner to people he had professed great love for amazes me.
Families, even royal and noble families can be very complicated Add to that the politics, regional and international, along with hierarchal social grand-standing . . . Wow! The birth of the modern day soap opera! Geat video Dr. Kat. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for this brilliant, cohesive and informative video. Also, I'm pleased to know that you're reading the viewers' requests and that Margaret Tudor is on your list for a future video. I hope that Cromwell is also on your list because he was a brilliant mastermind in politics just like Wolsey. I appreciate your efforts dear Dr. Kat! ❤
Great video. I think your theory is pretty much spot on. He is a character from Henry's reign that I've often wondered about, and never really liked. Womaniser and profiteer, but smart enough to know which way the wind was blowing in the Tudor court, and especially with the king.
During that time, there were no saints. People cheated on one another, politics, when the religion wars came about in England people looted the church's, slandering one another at court, people showing up to executions for entertainment, fathers informing their daughters to sleep around to better their families, etc. So I think that all were a way to show of how bad the times were.
All the way through The Tudors series, I kept thinking the exact thing - he's close to Henry VIII his entire reign, involved with very tough decisions, marries Henry's sister in secret, and yet dies in his bed an old man instead of in the Tower.
Bravo! Superb insight as usual Dr Kat. He was a cad without a doubt! I think Mary was the love of his life if that was possible but he treated all others appallingly. He was in the right place at the right time, bold as brass and a great bosom buddy for Henry. Ruthless to the end but a fascinating character
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you. I was reminded of an old TV series ‘when the boat comes in’ where a survivor of the First World War claimed to have been with the local land-owner’s son when he died in battle. He used this to gain favour and whenever the tale wore thin he would add a slight embellishment to pique interest in the tale. James Bolam played the character.
Thank you for responding to my request for life of Charles Brandon - all very interesting I rather like him (tho Henry Cavill playing the part in the Tudors helped!)I think he was a man of his time seizing every opportunity for advancement- and let’s face it who didn’t at the Tudor court I think he was a clever, charming and probably handsome individual who would have been good company As for his dealings with women - even royalty betrothed and broke potential marital promises (with perhaps more at stake than personalised profit) but it wasn’t unusual for the time He had a sympathetic side for Katherine when he had to deliver the hurtful messages And as his campaigns appear to be successful I’m sure he charmed his soldiers to walk over hot coals for him All in all history would be poorer without the likes of Charles Brandon
My mother loved, "When Knighthood Was In Flower" a romantic novel about Charles Brandon and Mary Tudor. In the novel, he is, of course a hero, a bit of a rogue, but dashing and a flower of chivalry.
Hello Dr. Kat! Fantastic video as always! I would like to request a video on Arthur Tudor. Though his life was brief, his death changed the course of English history, and indeed, world history. Just think of how different history would have been had Arthur lived longer and produced male heirs. If Henry had only been Prince Harry, Duke of York instead of King Henry VIII. Thank you for your consideration and keep up the fantastic work!
YES YES YES!!! I've just read a brilliant bio of Arthur, & there is a fair bit of stuff to know about him- it looked at at things like the way Henry VII was training him to be king, & about Henry VIII's much different upbringing. Arthur Tudor surviving to rule with Catherine of Aragon is my fave alternate history to speculate on!
@@beth7935 Are you referring to Prince Arthur: The Tudor King That Never Was by Sean Cunningham? If so I also read it and it's a brilliant read. I actually am thinking of writing an alternative history novel series about King Arthur II. 😊
@@georgehutto2157 OMG, that would be amazing!!! Please write it! And tell me your ideas, if you want! I keep trying to imagine what might've happened- or thinking up silly possible scenarios :D And yes, ofc that's the book! I couldn't believe there was enough info to write a whole book about him, but wow- all this info pieced together around Arthur does give you at least some idea of him as a person & how he may've ruled.
I have been binge-watching your videos since I found your channel earlier this week, and this has been one of my favourites so far. The way you tell Brandon's story had me laughing out loud. Thank you for so much interesting and entertaining content. I can't wait to work my way through the rest, and to follow along with what comes next.
I really enjoyed this one, thank you, Dr Kat. Have you done a video on James IV of Scotland? He's such an interesting character, I'd love to see what you think of him too.
I’m so excited you did a video on Charles Brandon! He has always intrigued me as he’s the only one of Henry’s “men” that I’m aware of who crossed him and lived!! This was a great take on his life and I just live for Dr Kat Fridays!! I would LOVE to see a video on his last wife Katherine Willoughby. Once I found out she named her dog Gardiner, I knew I’d like her lol. I also read somewhere she had the possibility to be his 7th wife. Not sure how accurate that is but I’d love to hear Dr Kats take on it!!
Dr. Kat, this is Dr. Joe! So glad I happened to hear you today on Tracking Tudors, about Mary Tudor. I went to your channel right away. Thanks for your intense study to bring this info to us. And, thanks for your "rounded" approach and open thinking and analysis of issues for which we are often forced to decide things for ourselves due to lack of enough primary sources ( what a sentence! sorry). You don't go to the "man bad-woman good" thing I find so prevalent today. I am a homosexual man and hopefully will not be accused of any kind of male heterosexual anger. You demonstrate the kind of logical, probing thinking I was taught as a vocal science and music history student. I've always been fascinated by Charles Brandon because of his extraordinary relationship with Henry VIII, but also because he seems the kind of jerk I would have gone after in my 20s!!!!Ha! Like a fine scholar you tell us you are not uh, fond of him! Yet, you give known facts along with possibilities; you let us decide about him. Thank you, and I look forward to more of your teaching. Dr. Joseph
Another brilliant video, Dr. Kat! :) Well researched, and so much fun for a Tudor buff like me! I wonder if you would consider making a video on Henry VIII’s grandfather, Edward IV?
Thank you! I loved this! May I just say, that H.H portrait of Catherine of Willoughby looks shockingly modern! I had to look it up to check if it was her contemporary image. She looks like a 1930s movie star!
i love watching your videos cause i learn so much. The tudors was one of my most loved shows i even bought the dvd boxset. It's a shame most of it wasn't the truth.
Dear Dr.kat I’m one of your channel fans and thank you for what you presented so far and apriciate what will come latter on in advanced . I’m from KSA and my passion is to learn all about UK history, heritage & Characters. Kindly I would like to suggest a history series like the one present by Alan Ereira on his TV series or professor Vernon Bogdanor in his lectures about the kings and queens of England if possible and the related people around them during that era. Thank you again and can’t wait for your next video.
Love! I listened to your video about Mary Tudor earlier today, and headed straight to this one. Charles Brandon might have been the luckiest person of Tudor England, I think, considering that he survived both Henry VII and Henry VIII. I think Henry VIII could relate to a man doing something incredibly foolish just to marry the woman he desperately wanted, and I do think that helped keep Charles alive. I also imagine that Henry didn’t want to embarrass himself further by waving the proof that his subject and his sister had defied him by executing Charles. Not to mention it’s hardly likely that Mary would have been a great bargaining tool in marriage after a scandal such as an unapproved marriage and executed husband.
I'd be interested to know what happened to Brandon's many children, both legitimate and illegitimate. Were they able to maintain positions of influence in the Tudor courts?
I do know that his two sons with Katherine W died of the sweating sickness as young adults in school, in close proximity of time. This was after Brandon died.
Since the late Queen Mother Elizabeth was descended from Mary Tudor Brandon, through Catherine Grey (sister to Jane Grey), King Charles, Prince William, and Prince George are all descended from Charles Brandon.
Thank you Dr Kat for another great video. I really enjoy your presentation style and you bring the past to life every time! I’m lucky enough to work in a stately home and I’m constantly surrounded by history and beautiful artefacts, each with a fascinating story. Uncovering these stories and communicating this is so exciting for me, and doing it in your style of presentation is something I aspire to! Looking forward to your next video! ❤️👍🏼
So, so interesting! Thank you Dr. Kat! I will be listening to this again because there is so much detail. Excellent job. And I totally agree that Henry saw himself in Brandon. Birds of a feather...
I believe Charles Brandon was so like Henry VIII that King Henry would feel as if he destroyed Brandon, it would be tantamount to committing his own suicide. You were right, Dr. Katz. Henry was seeing his “own reflection!”
Both lead by their peckers! Another great video Kat. 👍 I’d love to know more about Sir Rich Richard, he seems to be another self-serving aristocrat who escaped the Tower. I first read about this man in the historical novels by C J Samson (my favourite series about a fictional lawyer Matthew Shardlake) set around many true events in the reign of Henry VIII.
Brandon must have been an absolute lad's lad. I can imagine he was most likely a totally charismatic person for men and women. Henry must have had an attachment to him that was irresistible by way of fun times and loyalty. Brandon could have been a great mental relief to all of Henry's other responsibilities. Brandon must have gotten away with the marriage to Henry's sister due to his long standing affections. I suppose Henry was then counselled as to how it could benefit him. Henry obviously didn't feel threatened as Dr Kat says, his main motivation was money, women (and possibly glory?), not political power.
I never knew much about Charles Brandon before, other than that he married Mary Tudor. I found it interesting that he had such a shall we say "flexible" approach to marriage, and that this was a man who Henry VIII apparently looked up to. Henry VIII seems to have emulated his older friend in more ways than one. I think you are probably right that Charles Brandon survived partly because he and Henry VIII were so similar, yet in a way mostly non-threatening to Henry.
I don't know why but I have always been interested in Catherine Willoughby. Not sure if she's even interesting enough to make a video about her but maybe you'd consider putting her on your list? :)
Someone should make a write his story & fill in the missing bits & then make a film about this man his life...his loves & friendships...Wouldn't that be something to see!! There are some fab writers out there...Come on guys!! 😁 Pleeeeaaase....
I agree that Charles was above all a vicarious outlet. Charles is what Henry wanted to be, the unencumbered princely pecker of endless exploits. Charles was 'free'.
I know he has a dubious marital history, but Charles Brandon is one of my most favorite historical figures. He was a loyal servant and friend to the king. Henry VIII paid for his funeral and remarked about his virtues as a friend. I find him fascinating. Thank you.
Charlie Boy certainly walked the Tudor Tightrope. I have always had a bit of concern about the marriage to his young ward... Thank you for your amazing historical videos! 🌹🌿🌹
Wow - you make history so interesting! I actually appreciate it that you identify your bias, and don't apologize for it. I think there's no such thing as "objective history". Certainly the stuff of a dramatic movie! What a pair - Henry and Brandon! Yes, I think you're right about his "motivators" --- !!! Thanks for a informative and entertaining presentation! This sounds like the same time period covering Sir Thomas More -- any interactions between More and Brandon? Your discussion reminds me of the movie, "A Man for All Seasons" - a classic.
I think Henry VIII loved and respected Brandon like an older brother because he never really got to know Arthur and his relationship with his father was very cold. Brandon became the male role model for the young king that he had never had and a true friend.
There's definitely hero worship amongst families/close friends. From childhood my aunt idolized one of her cousins who, to be frank, is an extremely difficult and selfish person nobody else in the family really has time for. She's sided with her over some really screwy stuff over the years.
I would like to suggest that Henry's relationship with Brandon, is probably the first time he fell in love. This was his best friend and confidant. And no, I am not going for broke here, the kind of love you feel for the best friend of your youth. This is the one love in Henry's experience that lasted a lifetime.
Step 1: Be a child of a war hero
Step 2: Do not be part of the old nobility
Step 3: Marry a princess
Step 4: Survive step 3 and get away with it
Step 5: Just say yes to everything, anything Henry says is a good idea.
Step 6: Profit and survival!
That is why they were bffs. Twin sicko tyrants.
I like those answers, every one of them, especially #3 & 6.
I you reverse it to the female aspect #6 becomes really, really big.
All his male heirs died though like Henry. Although he was none the wiser about the last two.
I find it fascinating about Henry and his problem to have a male heir. The family he spurned had them but the family he had in the succession all of the boys died.
Brandon's single redeeming feature: being played by Henry Cavill. Other than that, a truly despicable specimen. He and Henry VIII, two peas in a pod.
Agreed.
Yeah....it was the Cavill for me too lol
Hmmmm 😋😍❤ #HenryWilliamDalglieshCavill Makes The Tudors, Superman & The Witcher Worth Watching 😉💞😍💞
he is great in Mission Impossible too
@@archangelhalo6358 Yeah, he was the only reason why I finished the Witcher. Adaptation-wise, it's terrible.
I think Charles was the older brother Henry always wanted. This is, imo, one of the few things The Tudors portrays REALLY well.
Charles Brandon strikes me as one of those guys, and everyone knows at least one, who is selfish and terrible, but so charming and personable you can’t help but like him, even when you know you shouldn’t. Even Henry VIII fell under his spell, and that kept him alive.
so did lots of women. lol
@@ivorybluesky Even Mary Tudor, a QUEEN who would’ve known his history, which is what makes me think he must have been a charming rogue.
Charisma can get you pretty far, apparently.
Absolutely! You're right- we all know someone who we recognize as a selfish, slimy person, but also admit they are disarmingly charming.
Henry Cavill played a very hot CB that's all I know lol.
One more insightful mini biopic. I always saw Brandon as the personality template young Henry could relate to and chose to emulate. They were clearly very similar. Henry could not hate Brandon for long, it would have been like hating himself. Instinctively, Brandon must have recognised hos own personality traits in Henry and therefore knew how far not to go.
I think Henry saw himself mirrored in Brandon so obviously being narcissistic couldn’t destroy himself xxx
YES, YES, YES! Morriganwitch, I *completely* concur. I believe that Brandon was a duplicate version of Henry -- a bluff, sensual jouster & warrior who physically resembled Henry.
I have always thought so too. Charles was an alter ego to Henry.
Interesting
Love this analogy
Makes perfect sense to me.🙂
Charles Brandon... Henry's one true (platonic) love, as my one friend would say. :P
That is my thought too
Soul mates dude. That's why they had so many women.
Lol it’s a true “bromance” 😂😂
How much influence, behavior wise, do you think Charles Brandon had on the behavior of Henry? It seems to me that Charles Brandon's marriages/abandonments pre dated the way Henry behaved in his Marriages. Missing, obviously, that Charles Brandon never had anyone beheaded. But the similarities are astounding. Thank you for a great video.
That’s a really interesting question. I can definitely see Brandon’s behaviour bolstering Henry, especially in his attempts to leave Katherine of Aragon. Once he remade his world to do that, however, I think all bets were off as to how far he would go!
My grandad always told me to judge a person by the company they keep - words to live by!
@@ReadingthePast very true. Especially since Henry viewed Charles as the "cooler, older kid" .
Good point - I think the age difference would have been just right for Henry to be influenced by Brandon - but it must have been in Henry’s nature to be influenced as this roistering wouldn’t have suited Henry vII
And as an aside Henry must have been quite jealous that Brandon had fathered 4 sons in and out of wedlock and Henry only 2 that lived to any age - I think it again speaks to Brandon’s charm that things like that were not allowed to overshadow the relationship
I just wrote something very similar here (since deleted once I saw your comment). I too wonder how much he influenced Henry? And had he not been so visible to Henry growing up, that maybe he would have turned out a lot differently? Interesting thought.
I was wondering that myself.
Your videos are so rich in historical fact, smoothly tied into a narrative, as entertaining as they are informative. Well done! Thank you.
I love this video! Brandon has always been one of my favorite characters of the Tudor era owing mostly to the fact that he survived the era with his head intact. Maybe a little bit because Henry Cavill played him so well in the Tudor TV series. I mean, Brandon as a person is truly awful and I love your description of him and his affinity for profit and pleasures of the flesh. I think that's probably a perfect description. Henry and Brandon - OTP (One True Pairing!)
I've been running errands, now I can unwind and get my learning on
It's amazing that Henry didn't kill him when he had the chance. He was living the life Henry actually wanted to live, so he sorta forgave him for his behaviors.
Thank you Dr. Kat!!
You really open up my eyes about history & I am so grateful for your little snippets!💜💜
With Henry and Brandon, it was clearly bro’s before... you know. Great video Dr Kat!
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I just love English history. Which can be very confusing, to say the least. That is why I am so very happy to have discovered Dr. Kat on RUclips! Thank you, Dr. Kat, for your ability to so clearly relate stories from your country's history in such a clear and entertaining manner. My wife and I frequently watch your videos together. I am American and I have no English ancestors (British Commonwealth, yes, English, no), but I take great delight in learning about the British monarchy, the people around them, and their myriad machinations.
I think Charles Brandon was Henry's brother from another mother as they say. In addition to greed, licentiousness. and misogyny he must have shared some of Henry's brutal nature. Both were self serving to an incredible degree. Henry had the power to execute his perceived enemies and Charles had to use more subtle methods. He stood by his King through all the cruelty of his reign and I can't help but believe he was OK with it as long as he had the freedom to be the rotter that he was
He's the only survivor!
@@pamelaalsop7772 A charming and handsome rogue.
I had always found it a bit odd that Henry specified "Please dude, just don't marry my sister", but now I get it
😂 Right there with you.
Henry knew damn well what that meant. Also he wouldn't be able to pawn her off favorably if she was already married. So, raaaaaage.
congenitally incapable of not being married is on a whole other level lol
Love this!
Sometimes there’s no friend like an old friend. Henry could be vicious and mean but he also had very few friends from his childhood. Also, Charles had no royal blood.
My all-time favourite show back in the day was the Tudors. I've sorely missed that show ever since it ended... but I THANK GOD for this channel! It fills the void left in my life post-Tudors, and sates my thirst for knowledge of this era. I was also quite amazed at how many liberties that the show took. Especially learning (after watching the vid on Mary Tudor) how much they totally mangled the real-life story of Mary and Charles Brandon (despite how minor their characters were).
Right? Mary and Charles actually had a great story. It’s a shame the Tudors decided not to tell it.
The tudors was a very good show for entertainment purposes. But historically accurate? Not so much
I often think Charles Brandon isn’t talked about enough so yay for this video!! Whoever he may have really been in life, I am still endlessly fascinated by this man who not only survived Henry VIII’s reign pretty much unscathed but also managed to get Henry to pay for his funeral. Like seriously, this man’s luck and charm must have been so on point given how many people’s heads have rolled for less than some of his shenanigans.
Reading the comments and listening to you, Dr Kat, I'm reminded that history never dies. Our opinions and assessment of these people is as real and as current as the comments sections of channels about the House of Windsor, today.
So, thank you for bringing us new subjects and facts to ponder.
"Now I know *all* about the Tudors"
Said no-one ever!
I hadn't realised before just what an extremely "busy" gentleman Charles Brandon was!!!
Thankyou, as ever Dr Kat, for this enlightening and entertaining explanation of such a full life lead in the pursuit of profit, personal betterment and lustful gratification.
Charles must have possessed one hell of a charismatic personality in order to survive his behaviour towards Henry VIII. Though I do concur that the two men must have been like two peas in a pod and Henry must have seen much of himself in Charles, which was his chief saving grace.
Stay safe and well. Good wishes to yourself, Jaime and Gabriel ❤.
You were especially sassy today 😙 I love it!!!
Yay! Been listening to you all morning! You’ve helped me spring clean my kitchen haha
Ha ha ha She's a wonderful distraction on the treadmill as well 😉..
So right! Love to listen to Dr Kat while cleaning 😁
I listen to her when I'm cooking 🍲
Let’s face it, dr Kat is good to listen to at any time 😊 I love her perspective of our history
Me too! Haha, I clean up my baby's mess. These videos keep me sane 🤣
My first encounter with Charles Brandon was in The Tudors, with Henry Cavill playing the part. He was so handsome, dashing and roguish and the love story as portrayed between him and Mary seemed so romantic that it took me quite by surprise when I did some further reading about him. That Henry spared him when he so easily called in the executioner to people he had professed great love for amazes me.
Birds of a Feather!!! Henry and Charles -- brothers from other mothers!!! Loved it, Kat!
Families, even royal and noble families can be very complicated Add to that the politics, regional and international, along with hierarchal social grand-standing . . . Wow! The birth of the modern day soap opera! Geat video Dr. Kat. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for this brilliant, cohesive and informative video.
Also, I'm pleased to know that you're reading the viewers' requests and that Margaret Tudor is on your list for a future video. I hope that Cromwell is also on your list because he was a brilliant mastermind in politics just like Wolsey.
I appreciate your efforts dear Dr. Kat! ❤
Great video. I think your theory is pretty much spot on. He is a character from Henry's reign that I've often wondered about, and never really liked. Womaniser and profiteer, but smart enough to know which way the wind was blowing in the Tudor court, and especially with the king.
During that time, there were no saints. People cheated on one another, politics, when the religion wars came about in England people looted the church's, slandering one another at court, people showing up to executions for entertainment, fathers informing their daughters to sleep around to better their families, etc. So I think that all were a way to show of how bad the times were.
All the way through The Tudors series, I kept thinking the exact thing - he's close to Henry VIII his entire reign, involved with very tough decisions, marries Henry's sister in secret, and yet dies in his bed an old man instead of in the Tower.
Bravo! Superb insight as usual Dr Kat.
He was a cad without a doubt! I think Mary was the love of his life if that was possible but he treated all others appallingly. He was in the right place at the right time, bold as brass and a great bosom buddy for Henry. Ruthless to the end but a fascinating character
I love listening to you! You bring my favorite history alive! I love English history, especially the Tudor’s!!
Thoroughly enjoyed this, thank you. I was reminded of an old TV series ‘when the boat comes in’ where a survivor of the First World War claimed to have been with the local land-owner’s son when he died in battle. He used this to gain favour and whenever the tale wore thin he would add a slight embellishment to pique interest in the tale. James Bolam played the character.
Thank you for responding to my request for life of Charles Brandon - all very interesting
I rather like him (tho Henry Cavill playing the part in the Tudors helped!)I think he was a man of his time seizing every opportunity for advancement- and let’s face it who didn’t at the Tudor court
I think he was a clever, charming and probably handsome individual who would have been good company As for his dealings with women - even royalty betrothed and broke potential marital promises (with perhaps more at stake than personalised profit) but it wasn’t unusual
for the time
He had a sympathetic side for Katherine when he had to deliver the hurtful messages
And as his campaigns appear to be successful I’m sure he charmed his soldiers to walk over hot coals for him
All in all history would be poorer without the likes of Charles Brandon
My mother loved, "When Knighthood Was In Flower" a romantic novel about Charles Brandon and Mary Tudor. In the novel, he is, of course a hero, a bit of a rogue, but dashing and a flower of chivalry.
Hello Dr. Kat! Fantastic video as always! I would like to request a video on Arthur Tudor. Though his life was brief, his death changed the course of English history, and indeed, world history. Just think of how different history would have been had Arthur lived longer and produced male heirs. If Henry had only been Prince Harry, Duke of York instead of King Henry VIII. Thank you for your consideration and keep up the fantastic work!
YES YES YES!!! I've just read a brilliant bio of Arthur, & there is a fair bit of stuff to know about him- it looked at at things like the way Henry VII was training him to be king, & about Henry VIII's much different upbringing. Arthur Tudor surviving to rule with Catherine of Aragon is my fave alternate history to speculate on!
@@beth7935 Are you referring to Prince Arthur: The Tudor King That Never Was by Sean Cunningham? If so I also read it and it's a brilliant read. I actually am thinking of writing an alternative history novel series about King Arthur II. 😊
@@georgehutto2157 OMG, that would be amazing!!! Please write it! And tell me your ideas, if you want! I keep trying to imagine what might've happened- or thinking up silly possible scenarios :D And yes, ofc that's the book! I couldn't believe there was enough info to write a whole book about him, but wow- all this info pieced together around Arthur does give you at least some idea of him as a person & how he may've ruled.
Birds of a feather flock together. What's mine is mine, what's yours is mine. Such a gentleman...not. Enjoy your videos so much! Thank you!
I have been binge-watching your videos since I found your channel earlier this week, and this has been one of my favourites so far. The way you tell Brandon's story had me laughing out loud. Thank you for so much interesting and entertaining content. I can't wait to work my way through the rest, and to follow along with what comes next.
I do enjoy these programs and I hope you continue with them. As a lot of us, I am sure we enjoy them so much.
I really enjoyed this one, thank you, Dr Kat. Have you done a video on James IV of Scotland? He's such an interesting character, I'd love to see what you think of him too.
YES!!! James IV was cool! And married Henry VIII's other sister, ofc!
I’m so excited you did a video on Charles Brandon! He has always intrigued me as he’s the only one of Henry’s “men” that I’m aware of who crossed him and lived!! This was a great take on his life and I just live for Dr Kat Fridays!! I would LOVE to see a video on his last wife Katherine Willoughby. Once I found out she named her dog Gardiner, I knew I’d like her lol. I also read somewhere she had the possibility to be his 7th wife. Not sure how accurate that is but I’d love to hear Dr Kats take on it!!
Dr. Kat, this is Dr. Joe! So glad I happened to hear you today on Tracking Tudors, about Mary Tudor. I went to your channel right away. Thanks for your intense study to bring this info to us. And, thanks for your "rounded" approach and open thinking and analysis of issues for which we are often forced to decide things for ourselves due to lack of enough primary sources ( what a sentence! sorry). You don't go to the "man bad-woman good" thing I find so prevalent today. I am a homosexual man and hopefully will not be accused of any kind of male heterosexual anger. You demonstrate the kind of logical, probing thinking I was taught as a vocal science and music history student. I've always been fascinated by Charles Brandon because of his extraordinary relationship with Henry VIII, but also because he seems the kind of jerk I would have gone after in my 20s!!!!Ha! Like a fine scholar you tell us you are not uh, fond of him! Yet, you give known facts along with possibilities; you let us decide about him. Thank you, and I look forward to more of your teaching. Dr. Joseph
Another brilliant video, Dr. Kat! :) Well researched, and so much fun for a Tudor buff like me! I wonder if you would consider making a video on Henry VIII’s grandfather, Edward IV?
Thank you! I loved this! May I just say, that H.H portrait of Catherine of Willoughby looks shockingly modern! I had to look it up to check if it was her contemporary image. She looks like a 1930s movie star!
She was famed for her intelligence and beauty, Brandon couldn't resist the old creeper.
Happy Shakespeare's birthday! 🎂
April 23, 1564. Would he be surprised to see an Elizabeth II on the English throne?
i love watching your videos cause i learn so much. The tudors was one of my most loved shows i even bought the dvd boxset. It's a shame most of it wasn't the truth.
I have always loved this subject. He’s a case study on how not to die! I am so glad someone covered this subject! Thank you so much!
Thank you for answering so many of my questions about this larger than life character
Before I watch, but after I've hit "Like", just wanted to say sincere congrats on the 100k..It's good to see you getting more recognition
Dear Dr.kat
I’m one of your channel fans and thank you for what you presented so far and apriciate what will come latter on in advanced .
I’m from KSA and my passion is to learn all about UK history, heritage & Characters.
Kindly I would like to suggest a history series like the one present by Alan Ereira on his TV series or professor Vernon Bogdanor in his lectures about the kings and queens of England if possible and the related people around them during that era.
Thank you again and can’t wait for your next video.
I'm a 43 year-old, grown-ass woman, who giggled when you said "pecker."
Same age, same reaction 🤣
Count me in. Also 43, also giggled.
59 - same
Not so much the word itself, but the stumble. Comedy gold.
44. Guilty.
Birds of a feather, for sure. Thanks for another great video!
I'm giggling at your factual presentation coloured with distain. 😂
I thoroughly enjoyed your video. I really enjoy on how you describe Charles Brandon.
Love! I listened to your video about Mary Tudor earlier today, and headed straight to this one. Charles Brandon might have been the luckiest person of Tudor England, I think, considering that he survived both Henry VII and Henry VIII. I think Henry VIII could relate to a man doing something incredibly foolish just to marry the woman he desperately wanted, and I do think that helped keep Charles alive. I also imagine that Henry didn’t want to embarrass himself further by waving the proof that his subject and his sister had defied him by executing Charles. Not to mention it’s hardly likely that Mary would have been a great bargaining tool in marriage after a scandal such as an unapproved marriage and executed husband.
Feckless…This is a GREAT word!❤I have to work it into this next week.
Hahahaha your bluntness is wonderful. What a description
I'd be interested to know what happened to Brandon's many children, both legitimate and illegitimate. Were they able to maintain positions of influence in the Tudor courts?
I do know that his two sons with Katherine W died of the sweating sickness as young adults in school, in close proximity of time. This was after Brandon died.
Daughter Frances Brandon was the mother of Lady Jane Grey.
Since the late Queen Mother Elizabeth was descended from Mary Tudor Brandon, through Catherine Grey (sister to Jane Grey), King Charles, Prince William, and Prince George are all descended from Charles Brandon.
Thank you Dr Kat for another great video. I really enjoy your presentation style and you bring the past to life every time! I’m lucky enough to work in a stately home and I’m constantly surrounded by history and beautiful artefacts, each with a fascinating story. Uncovering these stories and communicating this is so exciting for me, and doing it in your style of presentation is something I aspire to! Looking forward to your next video! ❤️👍🏼
I've just discovered this channel. It's really interesting! Thanks
I think you nailed it Dr. Kat !!! Birds of a feather .
Nice and chatty and another addition to my historians collection! Fascinating rabbit holes!
A new nugget of information. I have never heard of this side of Brandon!!!
So, so interesting! Thank you Dr. Kat! I will be listening to this again because there is so much detail. Excellent job. And I totally agree that Henry saw himself in Brandon. Birds of a feather...
I love your videos! I learn so much.
Could you possibly do a video on my favorite "character" in Tudor history, Sir Thomas More?
I believe Charles
Brandon was so like Henry VIII that King Henry would feel as if he destroyed Brandon, it would be tantamount to committing his own suicide. You were right, Dr. Katz. Henry was seeing his “own reflection!”
Both lead by their peckers! Another great video Kat. 👍
I’d love to know more about Sir Rich Richard, he seems to be another self-serving aristocrat who escaped the Tower. I first read about this man in the historical novels by C J Samson (my favourite series about a fictional lawyer Matthew Shardlake) set around many true events in the reign of Henry VIII.
5:50 the best description of jousting I’ve ever heard
Very excited about your Charles Brandon video! I was quite curious about his story. Brilliant! Thank you Dr. Kat 💐
New information for me! Thank you!
What an utter creep. Thanks for this spectacular take on one who rivals some of the worst of this ilk. I must do more reading...
Thank you so much, Dr. Kat!! I have the same feelings about Charles Brandon!
Brandon must have been an absolute lad's lad. I can imagine he was most likely a totally charismatic person for men and women. Henry must have had an attachment to him that was irresistible by way of fun times and loyalty. Brandon could have been a great mental relief to all of Henry's other responsibilities. Brandon must have gotten away with the marriage to Henry's sister due to his long standing affections. I suppose Henry was then counselled as to how it could benefit him. Henry obviously didn't feel threatened as Dr Kat says, his main motivation was money, women (and possibly glory?), not political power.
I learned a lot of things about this man. Thank you Dr Kat
I enjoyed this video immensely. Though I've read extensively on the Tudors, I didn't know what a sleaze bucket he was! Thank you so much!
I just love your channel. Please keep up the great work . Cheers from Wilsonville Oregon 🇺🇸.
This video on Brandon was great. Always wondered about that ability to survive as well. I like how you put it all together so succinctly. 🌺🌸
I enjoy your videos. They are informative and entertaining. Thank you for the hard work.
I have been to London 2013 went to Windsor Castle 🏰 😍 and the saw the big Graves stone of Charles Brandon and Henry Tudor. I was soo thrill.
Excellent history of Charles Brandon...thank you , kat
Those two were two peas in a pod...Loved the video 😍 today Bravo!!!
Super interesting. Thank you!!
Insightful as aways. Very interesting.
I never knew much about Charles Brandon before, other than that he married Mary Tudor. I found it interesting that he had such a shall we say "flexible" approach to marriage, and that this was a man who Henry VIII apparently looked up to. Henry VIII seems to have emulated his older friend in more ways than one. I think you are probably right that Charles Brandon survived partly because he and Henry VIII were so similar, yet in a way mostly non-threatening to Henry.
Great job Dr Kat!
I don't know why but I have always been interested in Catherine Willoughby. Not sure if she's even interesting enough to make a video about her but maybe you'd consider putting her on your list? :)
Great idea, she was fortunate enough to gracefully decline an offer from Henry after Brandon's death
Have you considered a piece on Eleanor of Aquitaine? Such a fascinating woman!
Someone should make a write his story & fill in the missing bits & then make a film about this man his life...his loves & friendships...Wouldn't that be something to see!! There are some fab writers out there...Come on guys!! 😁 Pleeeeaaase....
I agree that Charles was above all a vicarious outlet. Charles is what Henry wanted to be, the unencumbered princely pecker of endless exploits. Charles was 'free'.
So he’s basically Henry VIII without the wife killings
Well, a lot of wives died. He just didn’t kill them. That we know of, anyway. 😜
Or the kingship.
I know he has a dubious marital history, but Charles Brandon is one of my most favorite historical figures. He was a loyal servant and friend to the king. Henry VIII paid for his funeral and remarked about his virtues as a friend. I find him fascinating. Thank you.
Charlie Boy certainly walked the Tudor Tightrope. I have always had a bit of concern about the marriage to his young ward... Thank you for your amazing historical videos! 🌹🌿🌹
Aha excellent.
I'm always glad to see you in the Notifications.
Wow - you make history so interesting! I actually appreciate it that you identify your bias, and don't apologize for it. I think there's no such thing as "objective history".
Certainly the stuff of a dramatic movie! What a pair - Henry and Brandon! Yes, I think you're right about his "motivators" --- !!! Thanks for a informative and entertaining presentation!
This sounds like the same time period covering Sir Thomas More -- any interactions between More and Brandon? Your discussion reminds me of the movie, "A Man for All Seasons" - a classic.
Thank you for making youtube videos! You are a treasure!
Awesome analysis, I think you are spot on. Would love to see a video that covers how Anne treated Catherine of Aragon and Princess Mary.
Thank you for this video. I have had little knowledge of Charles Brandon.
Great video. “Looking in a mirror” is right on!!!