Can SHAMROCK COMPETE Against CURRENT UFC Fighter?
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- Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2023
- Does Ken Shamrock Able To Compete In Current UFC
This is a clip from Joe Rogan Experience episode 2063 with The Rock as guest
#joerogan #therock 
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Love the props given to Ken Shamrock here; he deserves far greater respect than he gets today.
I agree 100% on Frank Shamrock. The first true modern MMA fighter. His mouth and way he carried himself is what got him into trouble with orgs, but his skill set and tenacity was undeniable.
His teaching skills kinda suck though. His instructors can't defend a rear naked choke to save their lives. Back when he opened his San Jose Gym in 08, he had an opening night smoker competition. My gym went. They had good stand up but zero ground game.
Erik Paulson was first with Frank, Matt Hume, and Pat Miletich right after.
@@justinlast2lastharder749 lol well yeah. That was the problem with the shamrocks. I meen they can last 300 years in the ring(hence the no lay and pray rule) but fuuuu like you say: no ground game. Though I guess no fence and hump and winning ( or loosing) from having a thick skull is better than going Tank Abbot and grinding someone with your dick against the fence untill the judges pass out from sheer bordome.
Joe “he eat turtles for breakfast including the shell”
The rock “ yes, yeah, yes”
😂😂😂😂 Insane
LMAO. For like 2 minutes all he says is yes and yeah
A lot of people don't realize how good Ken Shamrock was due to him fighting when he was past his prime and taking a lot of loses toward the end of his career. If Ken Shamrock was a young man training for MMA today would he become a major championship title holder? I don't know, but I think that he'd be above average. Keep in mind that Ken came form a dysfunctional family background, and that he suffered a broken neck while training as an amateur wrestler in high school. He also got into MMA at a relatively late age.
People should watch him in pancrase. For anybody who doesnt know what it is its essentially pro wrestling but for real. You can kick, stomp, slam, chock, arm bar but NO CLOSED FIST strikes to the face. Guys like Bas Rutten, Ken and Frank Shamrock were amazing. There are some greats fights to see from those guys. Remember Bas put novacane in his legs so he could kick the hell out of ppl
yeah ken opened the mma portion of ufc.
A lot of people don't realize a lot of things
How long was his fight with Royse Gracie? 30 minutes? No rules either! He was a fvcking badass!
…and those few that realize and know how good the Shamrocks were, can accept that they’re not as good as todays fighters. Different times for different folks.
I really hope that Joe will have Brock Lesnar on the pod some day!
Hell yeahh!
Brock and separately Austin
👍👍👍
Goldberg or cm punk
@@macattack619 honestly Goldberg is a fairly boring guy and CM Punk is about as interesting as a wet fart.
It's an absolute travesty Ken Shamrock has never. Even on JRE. Hes a great storyteller and still a very sharp guy.
He was on the Jaxxxon podcast a day ago or so.
@@Seekingtruth-mx3ur Just saw it. Ken is articulate enough that he could be a very good commentator if a promotion would hire him.
The Rock impersonating LA Knight with all those "yeah" answers is somewhat ironic
He’s trying to keep peace with Joe. Rock can be a real asshole.
Such a crime Frank Shamrock isn’t in the UFC hall of fame because of Petty White.
@DrDisRizzsp3ctstop with the Dana kiss butt. Dana is evil, greedy, and selfish
Dana White send like a vulture and a pig
@DrDisRizzsp3ctwhat happened between Dana and Frank ?
@@crazypato3752 This dude you’re asking is just kissing Dana’s ass like so many. Basically in the early 2010’s Frank got a group together to legalize MMA in New York and Dana completely trashed him as a person in an interview. He’s salty Frank left the UFC undefeated with the belt after defeating Dana’s golden boy at the time Tito Ortiz.
@DrDisRizzsp3ct Last time I checked Dana is doing more than ok. He literally can't stand any fighter knowing their own mind, well unless it's his golden boy Conor Mcgregor...
Love how well the rock talks about shamrock, shamrock was the reason I got into mma after being a fan of him in wwe
For people downplaying Ken Shamrock's greatness in his prime, keep in mind that Ken taught Frank for years, and built the foundation that Frank was able to take to the next level. Ken also beat Bas in his prime.
Frank had an intense bout with Tito back in the day, and Frank was able to win with strikes that are considered "illegal" in today's MMA (back of the head).
Not really fair to compare it to today's MMA fighters as today there are also more rules.
It’s like saying Robert McDermott couldn’t compete in the nba today. It’s true but the players today wouldn’t be as good as they are without the people before them to learn from
@@coreycollins6917 Exactly.
What? That’s like saying NFL stats don’t count because the game used to be played differently.
@@MikeySkywalker Different context in a combat sport.
He beat Bas twice, I just watched the second match again recently to show my students a particular entry to a kneebar.
High five to The Rock for mentioning Ken Shamrock!
But he says Ken started in wwf which is wrong. He fought then went to wwf then came back
@@ydb6564exactly what’s he thinking
@@ydb6564no. The Rock never said WWF. Ken did start out as a pro wrestler first before going to mma. Which is correct.
@@ydb6564 What he did in Japan is considered "pro wrestling" over there.
@@fredcharlottehe started in America
I remember seeing an interview with Manny Pacquiao, he said, “When the training is hard, the fight is easy.”
I remember watching that on HBO 24/7. Proud to be Filipino.
Agreed 👍
My case is basketball 🏀. When I was placement the easiest thing, I didn't notice how much better I got until I played the actual game. I understand why Kobe and Jordan crap 💩 on lazy team mates. Practice is harder than the games.
U r gayyyyy!!
That’s a Suvorov quote look it up
Ken was one of my customers and our kids went to the same school so I got to him. He was a real cool guy. To get into the lion's den you had to wrestle with one of the guys including Ken. Every new person would get choked out. That was the first hurdle.
I feel a mention of Don Fry should be added
I can't remember who he was fighting but that time when Frank kept getting hit in the face on the ground and keeps smiling like a maniac always cracks me up.
It was Bas
Ken Shamrock was a BEAST in his Prime 💯
The Rock doing his best Eddie Haskell impression.
A pro fighter would have access to the best (or at least modern coaching), which means their coaches would have knowledge up to date with the state of current mixed martial arts. Had the Shamrocks, Rutten or others from earlier eras fought today, this would apply to them as well, meaning their skill set would be much more rounded and efficient. It's very conceivable that they could be dominant even now.
i mean he still would of been a wrestler. and wrestlers arent really champions anymore
Khabib,Islam,Kamaru,Khamzat
@@GeTarnished_jon jones as well lol and volk was a national wrestling champ 🤣 wrestling is the heart of the sport you fool
@@GeTarnished_ and Jones!
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Joe getting The Rock on here still blows my mind
...why? Joe has had the biggest names in anything and everything on his podcast. What's the big deal about Dwayne Johnson?
@@PtotheMtotheKjoe has mentioned so many times that The Rock clearly takes steroids on his podcast that I too never thought he would ever come on his show.
@@swapnilrana2206 I'm sure the deal was Joe would never mention it again if the Rock did his podcast
The Rock "yea, yea" "yes" "yes" yeah" "yes"
What he's really thinking: This motherfucker won't stop talking.
What Neil Degrasse Tyson is thinking: Now yall understand why I keep Joe in line.
lol
Ken Shamrock was an animal. Erik Paulson and Shamrock were awesome to see.
Facts
Rock has no idea what Joe is saying he just keeps saying yes over and over
Yeah
A lot of people are saying that.
Have no clue why Rock even trying to talk mma haha rather listen to brock someone who actually fought in mma
I know a lot of people complained that Joe talked so much during this podcast but I honestly liked it. The way I looked at it is the rock is a super busy dude, how often does he get to just sit and chill and pick somebodies brain? Especially about a field he's interested in and probably doesn't have the time to just read articles or watch videos on like MMA.
Wow. The Rock is truly as smart a rock.
That frank shamrock arm bar in 10 seconds was unbelievable
yes, against fighters who had little to no BJJ experience.
@@len6482so, most human beings. BeInG a FiGhTeR, lol
A Mark Kerr… Coleman… Frank Shamrock… Ken Shamrock… training with the top teams like Kevin Jackson, AKA, or ATT would absolutely be elite fighters in 2023. Back in the day, they were making it up as they went. Lions Den and the Gracie Family was laying the groundwork for what came later.
Frank Shamrock is definitely one of the greatest
I say the same for all sports, champion is a mindset. With modern techniques, health studies and training most great athletes of the past would be at the same level as modern sports greats
Guys like Strickland, Khabib, Bones, etc. would have different training & different careers in old school 90's early 2000's UFC. Vice versa guys like Gracie, Shamrock, etc. would have different training & careers if their peaks were 2010's & 2020's.
Take Basketball for example: People debate what would happen if MJ & LeBron switched eras. One, they would be raised in different era's effecting the mentality, training, play, toughness, etc. It would completely change both guys career's in ways we can only speculate.
If you put an athlete in a different era in any sport their career would be different for better or worse, we can only speculate & debate how much different their career would be.
Nice that Joe Rogan had Joe Rogan on the pod cast...6 minute clip of Joe talking and the rock saying yeah
I couldnt agree more about the champion mindset. I make a similar argument when people compare eras in other sports too.
Before I watch the video, I must say the thumbnail goes perfectly with the title: both Rogan and the Rock with that face, like "Well... ... ..." 😀
The old school fighters were tuff as nails with grit.
Macho Man voice "The cream always rises"
Did they talk about steroid use on this podcast?
Joe trying his best not to mention steroids use in the lions den
Best thing an MMA fan can do is go back and watch early Pancrase, Shooto and UFC fights. Start in 1995/96 and go from there. That’s one of the best things about Fight Pass - the library of old events is pretty extensive.
I watched survivor series 98 the other when rock hits Ken with the nightstick was a classic ha
I remember reading Ken Shamrock's first book inside the lions den and he had submissions, striking but I loved his diet plan and it changed mine at 23 now being 45 I feel younger
The rock in the background like a hype man
Johnson saying "yea" after every sentance Joe says
Fighters are just a different breed of human so no matter when they lived they we’re going to be fighters
Ken Shamrocks WWE game signature move was confusing and funny to me when i was a kid but makes sense now.
This was a great clip
5:21 Gerard Gordeau used leg kicks against Kevin Rosier at UFC 1.
Dwayne "yeah, yes" Johnson
The Rock basically just adding ad-libs
1:22 Somebody tell Joe that Frank was gassed when he fought Nick Diaz
How many times I a row did Dwayne say “yeah and yes” in a row? 😂 reminds me of that how to be a fake football fan commercial.
The rock: Yeah, yes, yeah.
When Ken signed with WWF his mma record was 23-5. He had beaten Bas Rutten, Dan Severn, Funaki, Simon and he was the first person to beat up Gracie and not get submitted. He is one of the early goats of the sport
Lion's Den, Animal House Gym, Shamrock 2000. Would be an interesting story on JRE. I think Nick Diaz trained in one of the Shamrock gyms in a podcast Nate did, where he explained that Nick in his teens training was absolutely jacked likened to probably Ken and Frank.
Ken Shamrock was one of the guys that I absolutely bought in on the idea that he was an unhinged psycho… his intensity and that insane physique that made some of the other walking slabs look mortal was unreal (assisted results for sure, but you still gotta put time in; it’s not something you do and then sleep all day and end up looking like chiseled granite)
I think even if he wasn’t a top UFC guy had he done it during his prime, that he still would’ve been very successful overall
Great comment by Jo about the quality that all champions have.
Ken Shamrock was good AF, underrated , he was the real deal.
Shamrocks are truly Legends of the sport. Pioneers of the sport aswell...
I want to hear the Rock say "Bang! Done!". :)
Most Frank Shamrock videos seem to have been deleted from RUclips😞.
Keep Frank in your minds guys, the dude was a legend, deserves to be remembered and is a pretty great example for many generations to come.
YEAH, YEP, RIGHT, OKAY, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.........
The Rock sounds like he’s getting bored while talking to some girl😆
Ken Shamrock was capable of a 600 lbs bench press!!
That’s beastly…
Not a hope.
Not 600, 450 is the most Frank saw him get, but he could likely to 500 in his prime, which is insane fro his weight. 600 is a fairy tale, I don't know where you heard that.
@@billj4525
Unfortunately, you are incorrect and don’t know what you’re talking about !
Ken made these claims in the prologue of his first book, enter the lions den …
But I will say you kinda look cool, trying to act like you know what you’re talking about …
The rock = " Yes , yes "
" oh yea "
" yes , yes "
" right, right "
lol hes such a fake fuck
Bang on Joe . Frank Shamrock was is is underrated. He was the complete fighter. Even beat Bas
All the stuff Joe has said about The Roadhouse Leg Kick has paid off with the calf kick.
The rock, the champ of making people believe he knows what they are talking about.
Is this joe or the rock interview 😂
I remember Jerry The King Lawler once said Ken shamrock is so dumb he thought judo was something that bagels are made of
Elephant in the room we aren't going to ask about the juice huh?!
Ken Shamrock was a beast
the first few UFC's were single night tournaments. You fought like 5 times to win it. Shamrock in his prime would have dominated the modern era.
He fought at 95kg which is the UFC heavyweight division now. I don't see prime shamrock walking though Jones, Ngannou, DC, Stipe.
The most I know of was the one time it was 4 fights for one guy (Royce).
The other times there were 2-3 fights at the most.
When did a guy fight 5 times?
Guys like Royce and Shamrock were big fish in a small pond back then. The modern era is full of big fish that are all well rounded in everything. Shamrock in his prime may have still been able to be competitive in the modern era, but there is no way he would "dominate".
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Great interview. Very true what Joe is saying.
Enjoy this convo
Ken & his brother Frank Shamrock were beasts!
Ken was basically telling the Rock. Why would you compete in professional MMA when you’ve got a massive shot at becoming a wrestling star? All the glory and money with none of the brain damage. Breaking from the WWE to The UFC is backwards thinking. Unless you’re an athlete of the Caliber of a Brock Lesner or a Francis Ngannou. That transition is going to be extremely difficult and you’re going to get smashed on the way up. Ken definitely saved the Rock ass with that advice.
That’s all true but people get their brains mashed up in pro wrestling too. Especially back in Rock’s day. Lots of CTE from chair shots, nasty bumps, and regular slams. And that’s when things went right. I agree that Shamrock was saving Rock the time, since it was an easier path to success in wrestling where the outcome is predetermined, and who wouldn’t book a guy as dynamic as DJ to win most matches?
@thetribalist6923 I know they're is some CTE in professional wrestling. But I don't thinks it's at all comparable to the CTE found in MMA. Wrestling definitely destroys your body. But for a guy like the Rock who was starting from the bottom at 20 something, He was definitely going to get his bell rung. And look at most of the retired Wrestlers alive today, Even the ones from the 70s and 80s. Yea they've got a bunch of back and joint issues, But they're all lucid and sharp as he'll. Hulk Hogan, Rick Flair, Undertaker, Stone Cold, The Rock, Mick Folley, Sean Michaels etc..
Now compare them to alot of the guys from Pride who are slurring their words and barley able to hold sentences. Their are some who are OK like Bas Ruten and a few others. But alot of them are shells of their former. Had the Rock entered Profesional MMA back in the 90s he would probably be a mess today..
The UFC was not popular back then. There was little glory and little money in it. The Rock would've had to go to Pride in order to make any money, which he mentions at the beginning of this clip.
Drinking game! Take a drink everytime rock says yes/yeah!
Ken was not pit of date, he was early. Ken had a major advantage was experience, he had been fighting in one form or another for years before he entered mma, he win today tomorrow, and into the future.
Imagine if Haku got in there back then
Im so glad joe got out of that infrared oven
The issue is just how different MMA was then to today. Ken's best victories in UFC were his one-side draws against BJJ legend Royce Gracie and Russian Sambo black belt Oleg Tarkatov, and his submission victories against Judo black belt, Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling champion Dan Severn, Pankration fighter Kimo, kickboxing champion Pat Smith. His best Pancrase shootfightin victories were Bas Rutten (2x), Masakatsu Funaki (2x), Maurice Smith and Manabu Yamada.
But back then UFC had the "no time limit" tournament format or the "30 minute" Superfight. Pancrase had the 15 minute format for tournaments and a full 30 minute fight standard. No "rounds".
Today, MMA is short, faster paced, with a lot more controversial judges decisions. You can winning the first round for 3 minutes and a hair away from winning but the buzzer goes off and then you gotta restart and then you lose the fight.
Raw stamina was one of the key factors and weight limits weren't established yet. This seriously effects how to train for that environment.
Here's a better question: How would today's MMA fighters fare under old school UFC rules?
Seems like The Rock just agrees with different words constantly. "Yeah... for sure.. yeah... yeah .... uh-huh"
I miss The Polar Bear.
Wish Joe could've asked him about the latest on the movie he said he was making about Mark Kerr, the Smashing Machine.
Oh shit he's making a movie about him? I've seen the documentary with the same name that was WILD
that's not happening anymore
I do not think that Mark Kerr had a notable enough career in MMA to merit having a moving made about him. I can think of a bunch of MMA fighters who are more deserving of having a movie made about their lives.
"The Machida Era" lasted a loooooooooooooooooong time
Lyoto Machida was not a champion for very long, but he was a really good fighter with a unique style.
@@libertarianrevolution7026. My comment was sarcasm. After Machida knocked out Rashad Evans Joe proclaimed "This is the beginning the Machida Era.". Which was a joke because Machida got whooped his very next fight. Joe hypes fighters who are not worthy of hyping.. Ronda Rousy
@@TheOverisel I remember that. Yes, Machida lost his next fight, but he was still a great fighter with a unique style.
Justice will be mine
Royce had a specialized skill that his opponents weren't prepared for. I don't think he would rise like he did otherwise.
Maybe not but mma is what it is because of him.
Frank Shamrock was a monster. Loved watching him fight
Shamrock? 100% yes
In order for them to rise to today's mma, my hypothetical questions are what age would start training, and what age would they be premiering at?
Vengeance will be mine
Frank Shamrock vs Bas Rutten 🔥
God damn Joe says everything twice. Sometimes 3x.. excruciating banter
It's the same in every field, either sports, sciences or art. You always build on what the one before you did.
If you skip it forward every 10 seconds Joe is talking
'Project Rock '! Says it all.
Let him talk, Joe~
If Ken was in his prime, sure. But it's not the same sport as when he started.
Ken Shamrock was laughing at Gracie in his Gi when they first met. Then they fought 😂 Kens a Humble man.
Martial arts did leg kicks for thousands of years. Low kicks were always taught for self-defense. I don’t understand Rogan’s take on things. In University martial arts class in the 70’s at Berkeley, Martial Arts were taught in a big room that was wall to wall mats for throwing and grabbling. We did strikes, throws, and wrestled. We were taught all kinds of low kicks.
Ken was not only jacked, but super quick and smooth combined with talent. Super good in the early UFC. But he was already in his 30s
“I feel like”. What happened to men saying “I think”. Very annoying trend saying “I feel”