Bansho tenin plus absorption and soul stealing (while reading Kabuto's mind on how to break the edo tensei),bring back Kabuto(just like Kabuto was using Nagato to bring back both Naruto and Killer Bee as a leverage against Obito ) as a Pain and make him break the edo tensei.
48:09 i love hiruzen but yata mirror and preta path hard counter . Especially if yata mirrior is 360 cover . The best i see is him pulling of a double reaper death seal for the draw and even has like a .1% chance of working/happening
Yal are GAS together. Definitely wanna see you collab more. 🔥 Great job on the thummy and all the art. I like how yals avi’s pop up when you were contributing. 💪🏼 The Hashi Netero meme was geeky 😂😂😂
Obito: I think that Obito wouldnt send the Bijuu to fight them in character. He knows about the Totsuka Blade and all the Rinnegan abilities. It feels like a harsh downplay of intelligence for him to send them in against people who can threaten to get stronger from them, and just take them away. I think the rinnegan rods are pretty much his only win condition😅 I think its perfectly possible that Itachi gets hit by them first, cuz Obito pretty consistently sees him as a bigger threat. I honestly would bet on Obito here. Minato: You were too generous talking about this for so long. Edo Minato obliter-stomps😭
@@ExoticZah Nice. Prove Nagato can react to him real quick, cuz Minato is definitely a speed tier or 2 above both of them. Also, he's Edo. Tsukuyomi heals and Kurama can control the body while his mind is healing
@@poodie3887 The Rinnegan can't read movements like the Sharingan can. Even if it could, you would need the feats to prove that he could follow Edo Minato's movements.
@@diondadigger why would the base sharigan be superior than its evolved counter part ? And those rinnegan are madara’s eyes bro , madara been kcm2 lvl his eyes can definitely track kcm2, hell sasuke’s ems could do why wouldn’t the rinnegan? It’s literally sage eyes
As someone who will never watch the War arc because i genuinely felt satisfied with the series after Sasuke vs all the Kage this is gonna be interesting
Im pretty sure kakashi was only able to hit him due to him having his other eye and him being the only one capable of seeing the ins and outs of the kamui dimension. It is stated to be accessible to kamui users only, like when bee kcm2 naruto, kakashi and guy fought him the naruto clone only hit him when he was fully inside the dimension not when his parts teleported. Even then Obito can still put Nagato through a powerful genjutsu once theyre inside and then come out as he did with Foo and Torune.
I mean Kakashi is physically relative to or faster than Obito for sure, but yeah I mean having the ability to counter Kamui is huge for him. The problem Obito faves here is that some of Pain’s abilities somewhat bypass Kamui and they have the stamina advantage since they’re Edo
You two work pretty well as far as collaborators go. Here is a very interesting what-if scenario: What if Itachi obtained the EMS? He would get a huge boost in power from that on top of being able to spam his Hax ;) Imagine Itachi just pulling up on Sasuke with the Perfect Susanoo with the Totsuka Blade in hand and going, "You still have a very, very, long way to go Little Brother." right before dying from his aids. I guess a more interesting scenario is he *somehow* gets rid of his aids by obtaining the EMS. There are so many possible branches in the story you could go with that one. EMS Itachi vs Edo Madara seems like a fight that would go down hard.
Thank you so much! Yeah Satori is a great collab partner so we’ll be doing many more 🙏🏼 I was wanting to do a what if on that at some point because it is super interesting
@@hobbyhorse5848 I don't know why you say that. Yes, he has less potential than Sasuke does (at least in the later part of the series), but Itachi's potential is still extremely high up there, and Itachi would have had many years to refine the power that is given to him by the EMS. Regardless, Itachi is physically stronger than Sasuke when they receive their respective EMS, or at least quite close. The only thing Sasuke really has going for him at this point is his emotions being stronger so has an easier time reaching greater heights of power overall. Not really seeing why Itachi having many years of training with his eyes should be any weaker than Sasuke was right before he received the Sage's power.
Imagine seeing Itachi and his clones riding the animal paths while spamming Amaterasu and Yasaka Magatama Beads while the clones uses Genjutsu and Tsukiyomi. Nagato could use Almighty Push anyone to Itachi's direction into Suusano or King of Hell after getting caught in genjutsu LOL they're broken as a team
Thanks bro! Honestly, yeah he might be able to, but I’m not sure if he has to make some sort of physical connection to the matter he’s manipulating or not. Like the cave is all connected, so if he pours his chakra into one spot, he can run it through the whole cave. I’m not sure he’d be able to do that with an object floating above the ground.
Fire video , great topic🤌🔥 I got a question tho , shouldn’t obito be able to just genjutsu the summonings or like you said summon other animals ,put both of them in the dimension like he did with tu and forune or incapacitate them and seal them with shukaku?
Thank you so much! Yeah he should be able to do that, but he’d have to be occupied with that for at least a few moments and meanwhile he has an onslaught of attacks coming from Itachi and Nagato. I also think Shukaku gets one tapped by the Totsuka Blade
@@sageofthickcalves That’s true ,the duo is crazy powerful🥶 it’s a really chaotic and close battle and i think obito would probably win tho . I got an exam tomorrow and im sitting here watching your video i was excited for it😭
For white masked Obito section I don’t believe either of them are going to be able to tag him unless you argue some off the walls combination, and all the Edo Jinchuurki have to do is distract the two for the second Obito needs to suck them up into kamui and then overpower, rinnegan rod, and soul snatch the other. Even if you argue that Nagato gets juiced by one, what does Nagato do if while he’s absorbing the cloak off of one of the Jinchuurki and the others are wildin out on Itachi, Obito appears behind him and sucks him into Kamui or tags him with some Rinnegan Rods or restrains him with wood style, or touches him and snags his soul, yeah Itachi could go all out to interrupt via Totsuka blading some off the Jinchuurki but then Obito uses Kamui and tries again. I will admit tho if he doesn’t win early on then the two of them should prevent him from getting any chance to take out the other and after being fatigued and facing and increasingly stronger Nagato he takes an L, but that’s just my two cents. Fire video as always. Edit: keep in mind Obito knows how both of these people fight in character and while vice versa may be true his intel on them is better than their intel on him. Another thing I don’t hear people talk about is that the only time something like Obito being attack from inside and outside of his dimension is when Kakashi is linking to Obito’s Kamui to send attacks and people to the same location Obito shifts too. In his fight with Fuu and Torune that never comes up, and Sasuke and Karin never remark about seeing the two or do we see Sasuke and Karin when the two are getting Kamuied. Which can imply that he can choose where to drop them in said dimension.
W video, one of my favorites on your channel for sure. However, I do think that Edo Madara would barely lose to this duo, let me explain. Chakra absorption is within the capabilities of Nagato through the Rinnegan, thus he should be able to absorb the Susanoo, a CHAKRA construct made by Madara. Every other jutsu that Madara possesses, such as his Wood Release get hard-countered by the Totsuka Blade which could just cut it like Itachi did with Orochimaru's Hydra. Madara's win-condition (the one with the chakra rods) is valid, however, if we're taking IN-CHARACTER, he's going to use Susanoo & Wood Release first, while if we take in-character Nagato, he has the same chakra rods, and he relies much more on his Rinnegan than Madara does, so while Itachi keeps Madara at bay, Nagato launches a couple of chakra rods which Madara won't be able to repel with Shinra Tensei fast enough, and thus he gets immobilized, allowing Itachi to use the Totsuka Blade and seal him away. Even if Madara uses HIS chakra rods, Itachi could see them as he can see chakra as colors & act as his sort of third eye, allowing Nagato to use Shinra Tensei fast enough, and now that Nagato knows what Madara is trying to do, he won't let it happen. Also, I don't think that Madara could absorb Itachi's Susanoo since Itachi has the Yata Mirror which is said to have no defense, likely including Chakra Absorption as well. All in all Itachi & Nagato win with 9 / 10/10 difficulty.
Edo Itachi & Nagato beat Edo Madara They are all edo tensei so no amount of overpowering your opponent or outsmarting your opponent will win the fight. The only thing that matters is sealing and Itachi has Izanami and The Tosuka Blade plus Nagato with King of Hell and Soul Stealing is too much. Madara does _technically_ also have access to Rinnegan Sealing as well but hasn't shown to use any of them at all..... I'm not entirely sure he even knows about those abilities. Either way it's a battle of attrition and Nagato + Itachi have FAR more of a chance to seal Madara than Madara has to seal the both of them. Especially with Itachi being smarter than Madara
There are a few things I disagree with here, but I understand your opinions for sure. I will say, though, Madara has shown the Gedo Mazo sealing, and has used Tengai Shensei so I think he should be able to use Chibaku Tensei. Even if he doesn’t have sealing, Rinnegan rod immobilization would work more likely than not.
31:23 I’m a nagato fan boy but we never see the absorption from preta path absorb more chakra than the users capacity. He can absorb all he likes buts still has a “capacity”
I think the argument of spirit weapons vs kamui is stupid because Obito literally dematerializes his body. Even if it's spiritual, un tye anime it needs to make contact with Oro.
To say they wouldn’t break sweat vs Sasori(Alive with puppets) Deidara alive and Kakuzu alive is… kinda ridiculous. Tho I do think they’d win with low-mid difficulty. They try to win quickly as possible so they wouldn’t have to waste chakra.
idkkk ab the obito genjutsu point because i dont think yagura was a PJ also genin itachi broke out of his genjutsu and also tsukuyomi was stated to be the most powerful genjutsu. Also i dont think theres much of a speed difference between obito and those two. Obito fought a weaker kcm2 than mkcm1 who ems sasuke was keeping up with and ems did get stronger but i wouldnt assume it was by some significant amount.
So there are just a couple misconceptions here. 1: The term “perfect jinchuriki” is never actually in Naruto, so it’s unclear, but Yagura is directly compared to Bee in terms of controlling their bijuu, so I think he likely is. 2: Tsukuyomi is stated to be “feared as the most powerful genjutsu”, so it’s more reputation-based imo. It’s like how Hiruzen is “hailed as the strongest Hokage of all time”. Totally reputation-based. Also, Kotoamatsukami is called the “ultimate genjutsu” by Itachi himself, and the databooks outright call frog song “the most powerful genjutsu”, so I don’t think there’s really an argument for tsukuyomi being > Obito’s genjutsu. This is especially true when we look at the feats. 3: Obito scales to Kakashi, who scales to KCM Minato, who scales to KCM2 Naruto. 4: The genjutsu Itachi broke out of was likely not a full power genjutsu from Obito, especially with how Obito outright mocks him right afterwards.
Haha neither is Itachi and Nagato. They are not gonna seperate and give him a chance to absorb them. Itachi and Nagato at least with biju chakra absorb are reacting to Obito no problem. Also like what was said if one goes into the Kamui realm it’s over for Obito GG’s.
@@sageofthickcalves I honestly believe if Itachi hits you with that It’s over for Anyone it’s impossible to break out under the Time It takes to Kill you.
@@Lugetbucks what it did is cause immense mental strain, due to the massive time dilation effect. If someone has massive mental hax or resistance, time dilation won’t bother them.
@@mmltpb14 well I don’t have Tobirama > Minato, but Satori does, and the 5 Kage just have better showings as a group than the Edo akatsuki do. But it’s just in order of how they would’ve faced them chronologically in the series essentially
@@rabidcanine So we don’t really know who was in the Kinkaku unit, since it’s never confirmed. We just know he called them “20 highly skilled shinobi”. But keep in mind that a) Tobirama was already severely fatigued and b) he’s stated to have succumbed to his wounds, meaning he held them off and likely defeated them, but died later on. It’s not really fair to dunk on someone for losing at the hands of 20 shinobi who we have no intel on, especially when he’s fatigued and trying to prevent them from reaching his students.
@@sageofthickcalves I think it’s fair to assume the 20 people in the Kinkaku force were just whoever the strongest Jonin in the cloud village at the time were. People try to say they were all Akatsuki level, but most of the Akatsuki are Kage level and it would be weird if the Cloud just had 20 Kage level Shinobi at their disposal. If they were that strong the leaf should have been decimated in the war.
@@donovan4222 Well I would mostly agree, but the range of “kage level” is super broad. For example, nobody really thinks of Asuma as Kage level, but he’s relative to Hidan so he should be if Hidan is. But then you have Tsunade who would absolutely obliterate both. So it’s weird, but I think it’s possible. I do lean toward it being like 15 ANBU level or high Jonin shinobi plus a Jonin 3rd Raikage and a few other higher tiers. You could also argue the jinchuriki of the 8 tails was there.
I agree, Tobirama has no firepower to do any damage, and he may be faster, but not nearly fast enough to just perception blitz both of them. Tandem paper bombs didn’t even scratch Obito,that’s not breaking a susanoo, plus he has no known sealing jutsu to deal with edo tensei.
Itachi and Nagato probably clear most of the verse tbh Edo Hokage, Edo Madara, White Mask Obito, and a few other exceptions are probably the only one's they'll lose to
@sageofthickcalves I used to say this all the time before Six did (i think i used to talk to Satori about this actually), but the Six Paths of Pain by themselves beat 1/5 of the Shinobi Alliance, but even that's still a bit of an understatement since the Hidden Leaf is the largest and strongest village in the verse. So, realistically, he beat the largest "fifth" and the strongest "fifth" of the ASF. Throw in Itachi, who's on that same tier as Nagato/Pain, and the 99% of the verse just gets clapped.
Hold on now. How does madara actually get past the yata mirror? Like let's get real now. Why do you say the totsuka blade wouldn't reach? We know he can change the length. It isn't a physical weapon either so giving it reach makes no sense
Assuming Itachi can react fast enough to erect the Yata Mirror, Madara just has to wait him out. He has far superior stamina. Since it’s Rinnegan Madara, he also may just be able to absorb it. As far as the Totsuka Blade, I doubt it’s fast enough to tag Madara, but our point was that if Madara goes into the perfect susano’o, that’s WAYYYY beyond the range the Totsuka Blade has displayed + it would allow for a greater amount of reaction time for Madara if it has to cover such a great distance.
@@sageofthickcalves oh I've seen. It's absolutely wild some honestly believe that. Only 1k subs? Imma subscribe right now. So when you're like 100k strong remember me lmao jk jk but im subbing right now.
@@Vergil512 haha I appreciate you bro! Trying to hit that 100k eventually for sure, but I appreciate each individual sub along the way just as much as I will the 100,000th 🙏🏼
Kabuto simply Put both of them in Genjutsu 🤣🤣🤣 lol. And most stupidest thing i hear is If nagato is get in kamui dimension 😂😂😂😂😂... Kakashi is the only person who can do that because he has another eye of obito and it's new to Obito because we already see that Obito kamui 2 people in same fight so it's only for kakshi...
1: Itachi and Sasuke were able to break each other out of kabuto’s genjutsu 2: When Obito warps someone away, they go to the Kamui dimension. We see this with Sasuke and Karin during the 5 Kage Summit and Sakura during the war arc.
@@sageofthickcalves Yes but Sasuke and itachi both are Good at genjutsu... But nagato is not.. And Obito intentionally send them in that point but when Kakashi enters he is surprised so mean he can send them very apart to each other...
@@Pain-106 1: Satori talked about how Itachi could just break Nagato out and then Nagato could run over and break Itachi out afterwards. He also mentioned that Nagato should be able to use shinra tensei and just nuke kabuto, even while under genjutsu, because Itachi and Sasuke were able to use abilities while under the genjutsu. 2: Wdym Kakashi was surprised? We also don’t know for sure that he can send them really far away or even how big Kamui is. Also, both Itachi and Nagato are sensor shinobi so they’d be able to track him down if they were for some reason far away from him.
@@sageofthickcalves Not Kakashi.. Obito is surprised and if he knows that he will never send Kakashi in kamui dimension in first place.... And he already did 2 people's in kamui dimension 1 by 1 danzo's 2 lab dogs 🤣 and torune have poison bug so if Obito knows that someone can touch him in kamui dimension he can't send someone with instant kill ability.. And that genjutsu breaking statement kabuto could easily counter shinra tensi with his Hydrification and Kimimaru's bones and he can move through them and if nagato uses that attacks 🤣 it also affects itachi and he will goo very distance so it's easy for kabuto to change tag and now it's 1 v 2 fight...
Tobirama isn’t winning this one he created stuff but didn’t master them like people you in the future I think he’s one of the smartest but not strongest Itachi who was able to break out of Edo shows me he is similar intellect as the tobirama water style be useless budget yellow flash ain’t going do no damage first Hokage and fourth hokage only ones I think would win easily other than sixth and seventh
@@sageofthickcalves You talk sometime about chibaku tensei or shinra tensei ignoring it will affect Itachi too if nagato does big AoE. Saying the dogs will have susano'o armor and totasuka + yata mirror is simply headcanon too and a bit atrocious to me. You talk about matchups as if they already have intel on their ennemies while they most of them don't. You're trying to find feats and all for them to win while they'll only win most of their matchup bcs they have sealing jutsu unlike their ennemies. They will get a beating by the edo kage for example but they will win bcs they can seal unlike them ( excluding rasa cause he will get demolished ) wich wouldn't be an easy win or stomp unlike in the video
@@adel93038 Well first, Pain makes it to where Chibaku tensei doesn’t affect him, so it’s reasonable to assume he can do it for others. Second, the majestic attire susano’o dogs was clear trolling lmao. We literally prefaced that by calling it fanboy arguments.
And Obito's case 😂😂😂😂😂 his paths are faster than Naruto so both of them are get speed blitzed. 🤣🤣🤣 And mutual kill soul pull??? We clearly see that kcm naruto who splits his chakra into 1000s of clones can counter that for some time and obito is stronger than KCM naruto 2 can do better than KCM naruto😂😂😂😂.
1: The paths are not faster than Naruto. They jumped him and had the shared vision perception amp. Also, Itachi and Nagato are relative to KCM Naruto. I mean Nagato literally almost killed him. 2: Right, which is why I said at worst case it’s a mutual kill, but it’s probably not a win con for either because they can counter each other with it
@@sageofthickcalves Why edo Hiruzan blitzed Tobirama... And KCMNaruto when naruto get caught in Wood style and he reacts to that woods to break them.... So both itachi and Nagato get blitzed and get sealed in reaper or his normal sealing Justus..
Hashirama vs Itachi and Nagato would be the craziest reverse jumping I’ve seen in a minute
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That’d be insane 😆 just seeing itachi and hashirama interact 0.0
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Not if hashirama gets caught lacking by soul dragon or tsukuyomi though
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Video turned out great! Was a lot of fun!
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A patara fusion itachi and naguto would be called Nagachi The Warrior of Peace.
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Bansho tenin plus absorption and soul stealing (while reading Kabuto's mind on how to break the edo tensei),bring back Kabuto(just like Kabuto was using Nagato to bring back both Naruto and Killer Bee as a leverage against Obito ) as a Pain and make him break the edo tensei.
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48:09 i love hiruzen but yata mirror and preta path hard counter . Especially if yata mirrior is 360 cover . The best i see is him pulling of a double reaper death seal for the draw and even has like a .1% chance of working/happening
He just doesn’t have the hacks.
Glad y’all kept it real about Tobirama💯
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Yal are GAS together. Definitely wanna see you collab more. 🔥
Great job on the thummy and all the art. I like how yals avi’s pop up when you were contributing. 💪🏼
The Hashi Netero meme was geeky 😂😂😂
We plan to collaborate more for sure!
The meme was a lot of fun
Thanks brother!
Hahaha yeah when he sent me that meme I died bro 🤣
I want to see Ma and Pa vs the akatsuki.
They are way stronger than what people give them credit for.
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Obito:
I think that Obito wouldnt send the Bijuu to fight them in character. He knows about the Totsuka Blade and all the Rinnegan abilities. It feels like a harsh downplay of intelligence for him to send them in against people who can threaten to get stronger from them, and just take them away.
I think the rinnegan rods are pretty much his only win condition😅 I think its perfectly possible that Itachi gets hit by them first, cuz Obito pretty consistently sees him as a bigger threat. I honestly would bet on Obito here.
Minato:
You were too generous talking about this for so long. Edo Minato obliter-stomps😭
Edo Minato does not stop. Nagato still absorbs his jutsu. Tsukiyomi gg.
@@ExoticZah Nice. Prove Nagato can react to him real quick, cuz Minato is definitely a speed tier or 2 above both of them. Also, he's Edo. Tsukuyomi heals and Kurama can control the body while his mind is healing
@@diondadiggernagato has dojutsu bro he can read movements
@@poodie3887 The Rinnegan can't read movements like the Sharingan can. Even if it could, you would need the feats to prove that he could follow Edo Minato's movements.
@@diondadigger why would the base sharigan be superior than its evolved counter part ? And those rinnegan are madara’s eyes bro , madara been kcm2 lvl his eyes can definitely track kcm2, hell sasuke’s ems could do why wouldn’t the rinnegan? It’s literally sage eyes
great vid 🙌
Thank you so much! Which section was your favorite?
As someone who will never watch the War arc because i genuinely felt satisfied with the series after Sasuke vs all the Kage this is gonna be interesting
Oh dude you’re missing out on 3 of the top 5 fights in the whole series
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Im pretty sure kakashi was only able to hit him due to him having his other eye and him being the only one capable of seeing the ins and outs of the kamui dimension. It is stated to be accessible to kamui users only, like when bee kcm2 naruto, kakashi and guy fought him the naruto clone only hit him when he was fully inside the dimension not when his parts teleported. Even then Obito can still put Nagato through a powerful genjutsu once theyre inside and then come out as he did with Foo and Torune.
I mean Kakashi is physically relative to or faster than Obito for sure, but yeah I mean having the ability to counter Kamui is huge for him. The problem Obito faves here is that some of Pain’s abilities somewhat bypass Kamui and they have the stamina advantage since they’re Edo
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Satori really said kakazu is a god and beats pain with a straight face
@@Kryptic496 it was satire
You two work pretty well as far as collaborators go. Here is a very interesting what-if scenario: What if Itachi obtained the EMS? He would get a huge boost in power from that on top of being able to spam his Hax ;) Imagine Itachi just pulling up on Sasuke with the Perfect Susanoo with the Totsuka Blade in hand and going, "You still have a very, very, long way to go Little Brother." right before dying from his aids.
I guess a more interesting scenario is he *somehow* gets rid of his aids by obtaining the EMS. There are so many possible branches in the story you could go with that one. EMS Itachi vs Edo Madara seems like a fight that would go down hard.
Thank you so much! Yeah Satori is a great collab partner so we’ll be doing many more 🙏🏼
I was wanting to do a what if on that at some point because it is super interesting
He’d be weaker than EMS Sasuke since he had less potential than Sasuke and a weaker physical body
@@hobbyhorse5848 I don't know why you say that. Yes, he has less potential than Sasuke does (at least in the later part of the series), but Itachi's potential is still extremely high up there, and Itachi would have had many years to refine the power that is given to him by the EMS.
Regardless, Itachi is physically stronger than Sasuke when they receive their respective EMS, or at least quite close. The only thing Sasuke really has going for him at this point is his emotions being stronger so has an easier time reaching greater heights of power overall.
Not really seeing why Itachi having many years of training with his eyes should be any weaker than Sasuke was right before he received the Sage's power.
Ain’t no way to just said Itachi died from aids 😭
Imagine seeing Itachi and his clones riding the animal paths while spamming Amaterasu and Yasaka Magatama Beads while the clones uses Genjutsu and Tsukiyomi. Nagato could use Almighty Push anyone to Itachi's direction into Suusano or King of Hell after getting caught in genjutsu LOL they're broken as a team
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Another thing with them vs Onoki is that the yata mirror can counter particle style
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Haha yeah I had to change it to something from the YT studio because I got a copyright claim with the original 😅
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Interesting video
Great video so far, I’m at the Sage kabuto part.
Can Kabuto use inorganic reanimation on the chibaku tensei?
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Honestly, yeah he might be able to, but I’m not sure if he has to make some sort of physical connection to the matter he’s manipulating or not. Like the cave is all connected, so if he pours his chakra into one spot, he can run it through the whole cave. I’m not sure he’d be able to do that with an object floating above the ground.
I Only disagree on the Tobirama part, but the rest is flawless
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Fire video , great topic🤌🔥 I got a question tho , shouldn’t obito be able to just genjutsu the summonings or like you said summon other animals ,put both of them in the dimension like he did with tu and forune or incapacitate them and seal them with shukaku?
Thank you so much!
Yeah he should be able to do that, but he’d have to be occupied with that for at least a few moments and meanwhile he has an onslaught of attacks coming from Itachi and Nagato. I also think Shukaku gets one tapped by the Totsuka Blade
@@sageofthickcalves That’s true ,the duo is crazy powerful🥶 it’s a really chaotic and close battle and i think obito would probably win tho . I got an exam tomorrow and im sitting here watching your video i was excited for it😭
@@sahildubey3250 haha I appreciate you bro 🫡
For white masked Obito section I don’t believe either of them are going to be able to tag him unless you argue some off the walls combination, and all the Edo Jinchuurki have to do is distract the two for the second Obito needs to suck them up into kamui and then overpower, rinnegan rod, and soul snatch the other. Even if you argue that Nagato gets juiced by one, what does Nagato do if while he’s absorbing the cloak off of one of the Jinchuurki and the others are wildin out on Itachi, Obito appears behind him and sucks him into Kamui or tags him with some Rinnegan Rods or restrains him with wood style, or touches him and snags his soul, yeah Itachi could go all out to interrupt via Totsuka blading some off the Jinchuurki but then Obito uses Kamui and tries again. I will admit tho if he doesn’t win early on then the two of them should prevent him from getting any chance to take out the other and after being fatigued and facing and increasingly stronger Nagato he takes an L, but that’s just my two cents. Fire video as always.
Edit: keep in mind Obito knows how both of these people fight in character and while vice versa may be true his intel on them is better than their intel on him. Another thing I don’t hear people talk about is that the only time something like Obito being attack from inside and outside of his dimension is when Kakashi is linking to Obito’s Kamui to send attacks and people to the same location Obito shifts too. In his fight with Fuu and Torune that never comes up, and Sasuke and Karin never remark about seeing the two or do we see Sasuke and Karin when the two are getting Kamuied. Which can imply that he can choose where to drop them in said dimension.
W video, one of my favorites on your channel for sure.
However, I do think that Edo Madara would barely lose to this duo, let me explain. Chakra absorption is within the capabilities of Nagato through the Rinnegan, thus he should be able to absorb the Susanoo, a CHAKRA construct made by Madara.
Every other jutsu that Madara possesses, such as his Wood Release get hard-countered by the Totsuka Blade which could just cut it like Itachi did with Orochimaru's Hydra.
Madara's win-condition (the one with the chakra rods) is valid, however, if we're taking IN-CHARACTER, he's going to use Susanoo & Wood Release first, while if we take in-character Nagato, he has the same chakra rods, and he relies much more on his Rinnegan than Madara does, so while Itachi keeps Madara at bay, Nagato launches a couple of chakra rods which Madara won't be able to repel with Shinra Tensei fast enough, and thus he gets immobilized, allowing Itachi to use the Totsuka Blade and seal him away.
Even if Madara uses HIS chakra rods, Itachi could see them as he can see chakra as colors & act as his sort of third eye, allowing Nagato to use Shinra Tensei fast enough, and now that Nagato knows what Madara is trying to do, he won't let it happen.
Also, I don't think that Madara could absorb Itachi's Susanoo since Itachi has the Yata Mirror which is said to have no defense, likely including Chakra Absorption as well. All in all Itachi & Nagato win with 9 / 10/10 difficulty.
Madara stomps. He just outscales them.
outscaling legit doesn't matter in this battle. its about hax & abilities@@owensilva9224
Edo Itachi & Nagato beat Edo Madara
They are all edo tensei so no amount of overpowering your opponent or outsmarting your opponent will win the fight. The only thing that matters is sealing and Itachi has Izanami and The Tosuka Blade plus Nagato with King of Hell and Soul Stealing is too much. Madara does _technically_ also have access to Rinnegan Sealing as well but hasn't shown to use any of them at all..... I'm not entirely sure he even knows about those abilities.
Either way it's a battle of attrition and Nagato + Itachi have FAR more of a chance to seal Madara than Madara has to seal the both of them. Especially with Itachi being smarter than Madara
There are a few things I disagree with here, but I understand your opinions for sure. I will say, though, Madara has shown the Gedo Mazo sealing, and has used Tengai Shensei so I think he should be able to use Chibaku Tensei. Even if he doesn’t have sealing, Rinnegan rod immobilization would work more likely than not.
@@sageofthickcalves Rinnegan rod would definitely work, we see him use it on edo Tobirama and Tobi was helpless
31:23 I’m a nagato fan boy but we never see the absorption from preta path absorb more chakra than the users capacity. He can absorb all he likes buts still has a “capacity”
For sure, but we do see him rip a bijuu cloak off of Bee
I don’t think the gauntlet against the 5 kage was fleshed out enough.
Would putting a new tag in Edo Itachi’s head override Koto?
Edit: The Majestic attire hounds bit was hilarious.
@@nocturne311 I’m not sure tbh
53:10 LMAOO minato is a monster 😭
Bro it’s just the truth 🤣🙏🏼 Minato is a dawg fr
The Edo Akatsuki were nerfed pretty bad seems like
People that think Itachi vs Madara would be close 😭
It would be fun to see haha 🤣.
Forgot to comment for algorithm
Aye bro I love you fr 🙏🏼
11:00 Yoo, what's that background music? Can I use it for myself lol? It's good
I’ll send it to you 🙏🏼
@@sageofthickcalves Thanks!
I think the argument of spirit weapons vs kamui is stupid because Obito literally dematerializes his body. Even if it's spiritual, un tye anime it needs to make contact with Oro.
To say they wouldn’t break sweat vs Sasori(Alive with puppets) Deidara alive and Kakuzu alive is… kinda ridiculous. Tho I do think they’d win with low-mid difficulty. They try to win quickly as possible so they wouldn’t have to waste chakra.
Sasori could probably summon puppets js
idkkk ab the obito genjutsu point because i dont think yagura was a PJ also genin itachi broke out of his genjutsu and also tsukuyomi was stated to be the most powerful genjutsu. Also i dont think theres much of a speed difference between obito and those two. Obito fought a weaker kcm2 than mkcm1 who ems sasuke was keeping up with and ems did get stronger but i wouldnt assume it was by some significant amount.
So there are just a couple misconceptions here.
1: The term “perfect jinchuriki” is never actually in Naruto, so it’s unclear, but Yagura is directly compared to Bee in terms of controlling their bijuu, so I think he likely is.
2: Tsukuyomi is stated to be “feared as the most powerful genjutsu”, so it’s more reputation-based imo. It’s like how Hiruzen is “hailed as the strongest Hokage of all time”. Totally reputation-based. Also, Kotoamatsukami is called the “ultimate genjutsu” by Itachi himself, and the databooks outright call frog song “the most powerful genjutsu”, so I don’t think there’s really an argument for tsukuyomi being > Obito’s genjutsu. This is especially true when we look at the feats.
3: Obito scales to Kakashi, who scales to KCM Minato, who scales to KCM2 Naruto.
4: The genjutsu Itachi broke out of was likely not a full power genjutsu from Obito, especially with how Obito outright mocks him right afterwards.
Thoughts on akatsuki vs monster association
Or
Garou hunting the akatsuki and 5 kage
With satori
I don’t know a ton about OPM, but it would be fun!
Do white mask obito without the pains. And itachi vs naruto kcm1 and war arc sasuke
Sasuke stomps itachi
obito isnt stupid,he sends the jinchurikis to itachi,while he handles nagato himself
Haha neither is Itachi and Nagato. They are not gonna seperate and give him a chance to absorb them. Itachi and Nagato at least with biju chakra absorb are reacting to Obito no problem. Also like what was said if one goes into the Kamui realm it’s over for Obito GG’s.
People sleep on Tskyomi
It’s a great ability
@@sageofthickcalves I honestly believe if Itachi hits you with that It’s over for Anyone it’s impossible to break out under the Time It takes to Kill you.
@@Lugetbucks depends. Someone with a stronger dojutsu or massive mental hax should be fine
@@sageofthickcalves I don’t think a mental hax can make you survive literally you living out your life and die like he did to izumi in the Novel.
@@Lugetbucks what it did is cause immense mental strain, due to the massive time dilation effect. If someone has massive mental hax or resistance, time dilation won’t bother them.
Is the gauntlet the duo is facing based on strength? Or something else?
Wdym?
@@sageofthickcalves why do you have 5 kage>edo akasuki? Or edo tobirama>edo minato?
@@mmltpb14 well I don’t have Tobirama > Minato, but Satori does, and the 5 Kage just have better showings as a group than the Edo akatsuki do. But it’s just in order of how they would’ve faced them chronologically in the series essentially
@@sageofthickcalves gotcha. Ok thanks for clarifying
@@mmltpb14 no problem bro!
The Tobirama cope is so massive
Literally slumped by featless S Class Shinobi
@@rabidcanine So we don’t really know who was in the Kinkaku unit, since it’s never confirmed. We just know he called them “20 highly skilled shinobi”. But keep in mind that a) Tobirama was already severely fatigued and b) he’s stated to have succumbed to his wounds, meaning he held them off and likely defeated them, but died later on. It’s not really fair to dunk on someone for losing at the hands of 20 shinobi who we have no intel on, especially when he’s fatigued and trying to prevent them from reaching his students.
@@sageofthickcalves I think it’s fair to assume the 20 people in the Kinkaku force were just whoever the strongest Jonin in the cloud village at the time were. People try to say they were all Akatsuki level, but most of the Akatsuki are Kage level and it would be weird if the Cloud just had 20 Kage level Shinobi at their disposal. If they were that strong the leaf should have been decimated in the war.
@@donovan4222 Well I would mostly agree, but the range of “kage level” is super broad. For example, nobody really thinks of Asuma as Kage level, but he’s relative to Hidan so he should be if Hidan is. But then you have Tsunade who would absolutely obliterate both. So it’s weird, but I think it’s possible. I do lean toward it being like 15 ANBU level or high Jonin shinobi plus a Jonin 3rd Raikage and a few other higher tiers. You could also argue the jinchuriki of the 8 tails was there.
I agree, Tobirama has no firepower to do any damage, and he may be faster, but not nearly fast enough to just perception blitz both of them.
Tandem paper bombs didn’t even scratch Obito,that’s not breaking a susanoo, plus he has no known sealing jutsu to deal with edo tensei.
What’s the outro music?
I genuinely can’t remember
Itachi and Nagato probably clear most of the verse tbh
Edo Hokage, Edo Madara, White Mask Obito, and a few other exceptions are probably the only one's they'll lose to
I agree!
@sageofthickcalves I used to say this all the time before Six did (i think i used to talk to Satori about this actually), but the Six Paths of Pain by themselves beat 1/5 of the Shinobi Alliance, but even that's still a bit of an understatement since the Hidden Leaf is the largest and strongest village in the verse. So, realistically, he beat the largest "fifth" and the strongest "fifth" of the ASF. Throw in Itachi, who's on that same tier as Nagato/Pain, and the 99% of the verse just gets clapped.
@@CH1C4N0444 🔥🔥🔥
I think they clear all the edo hokage besides Hashirama
@@donovan4222 I’d have to disagree, but lmk what you think after checking out the video 🤙🏼
54:04 itachi uses clones?
Naruto part 1 he uses an exploding shadow clone
Exactly lol 😂 so anyone using clones really does not make a difference.
Nuh uh Pain ~ Tobirama
Hold on now. How does madara actually get past the yata mirror? Like let's get real now. Why do you say the totsuka blade wouldn't reach? We know he can change the length. It isn't a physical weapon either so giving it reach makes no sense
Assuming Itachi can react fast enough to erect the Yata Mirror, Madara just has to wait him out. He has far superior stamina. Since it’s Rinnegan Madara, he also may just be able to absorb it. As far as the Totsuka Blade, I doubt it’s fast enough to tag Madara, but our point was that if Madara goes into the perfect susano’o, that’s WAYYYY beyond the range the Totsuka Blade has displayed + it would allow for a greater amount of reaction time for Madara if it has to cover such a great distance.
You did not just refer to Kakuzu as a god
It was in jest
Seems like i am First
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@@sageofthickcalvesawesome vid btw and cannot wait for kashimo vs Minato
@@Julian.noa21 that one is next 👀
@@sageofthickcalves i know I saw the stream
@@Julian.noa21 my dude 🫱🏼🫲🏽
Wait you guys trolling or being serious? Kakazu does not beat pain 😂
Yeah we’re trolling 🤣
@@sageofthickcalves whew almost had me going off on a whole ass nerd 🤓 break down of why pain wins lmao.
@@Vergil512 haha yeah more so trolling the people who have said that in the past
@@sageofthickcalves oh I've seen. It's absolutely wild some honestly believe that.
Only 1k subs? Imma subscribe right now. So when you're like 100k strong remember me lmao jk jk but im subbing right now.
@@Vergil512 haha I appreciate you bro! Trying to hit that 100k eventually for sure, but I appreciate each individual sub along the way just as much as I will the 100,000th 🙏🏼
the guy saying kamui would lead to double attack from the outside and inside should never have a naruto channel, he obviously knows nothing
Kabuto simply Put both of them in Genjutsu 🤣🤣🤣 lol.
And most stupidest thing i hear is If nagato is get in kamui dimension 😂😂😂😂😂... Kakashi is the only person who can do that because he has another eye of obito and it's new to Obito because we already see that Obito kamui 2 people in same fight so it's only for kakshi...
1: Itachi and Sasuke were able to break each other out of kabuto’s genjutsu
2: When Obito warps someone away, they go to the Kamui dimension. We see this with Sasuke and Karin during the 5 Kage Summit and Sakura during the war arc.
@@sageofthickcalves Yes but Sasuke and itachi both are Good at genjutsu... But nagato is not..
And Obito intentionally send them in that point but when Kakashi enters he is surprised so mean he can send them very apart to each other...
@@Pain-106 1: Satori talked about how Itachi could just break Nagato out and then Nagato could run over and break Itachi out afterwards. He also mentioned that Nagato should be able to use shinra tensei and just nuke kabuto, even while under genjutsu, because Itachi and Sasuke were able to use abilities while under the genjutsu.
2: Wdym Kakashi was surprised? We also don’t know for sure that he can send them really far away or even how big Kamui is. Also, both Itachi and Nagato are sensor shinobi so they’d be able to track him down if they were for some reason far away from him.
@@sageofthickcalves Not Kakashi.. Obito is surprised and if he knows that he will never send Kakashi in kamui dimension in first place.... And he already did 2 people's in kamui dimension 1 by 1 danzo's 2 lab dogs 🤣 and torune have poison bug so if Obito knows that someone can touch him in kamui dimension he can't send someone with instant kill ability..
And that genjutsu breaking statement kabuto could easily counter shinra tensi with his Hydrification and Kimimaru's bones and he can move through them and if nagato uses that attacks 🤣 it also affects itachi and he will goo very distance so it's easy for kabuto to change tag and now it's 1 v 2 fight...
@@Pain-106who told you nagato is bad at genjutsu? He possesses the rinnegan
Tobirama isn’t winning this one he created stuff but didn’t master them like people you in the future I think he’s one of the smartest but not strongest Itachi who was able to break out of Edo shows me he is similar intellect as the tobirama water style be useless budget yellow flash ain’t going do no damage first Hokage and fourth hokage only ones I think would win easily other than sixth and seventh
Alright, i've watched until edo Madara and the video is pretty much fanboying over nagato and itachi lol
How so?
@@sageofthickcalves You talk sometime about chibaku tensei or shinra tensei ignoring it will affect Itachi too if nagato does big AoE. Saying the dogs will have susano'o armor and totasuka + yata mirror is simply headcanon too and a bit atrocious to me. You talk about matchups as if they already have intel on their ennemies while they most of them don't. You're trying to find feats and all for them to win while they'll only win most of their matchup bcs they have sealing jutsu unlike their ennemies. They will get a beating by the edo kage for example but they will win bcs they can seal unlike them ( excluding rasa cause he will get demolished ) wich wouldn't be an easy win or stomp unlike in the video
@@adel93038 Well first, Pain makes it to where Chibaku tensei doesn’t affect him, so it’s reasonable to assume he can do it for others. Second, the majestic attire susano’o dogs was clear trolling lmao. We literally prefaced that by calling it fanboy arguments.
@@sageofthickcalves If Itachi is behind Nagato yes I agree but that's it
Obito stomps itachi and Nagato no difficulty.
Hahhahahahhaha😂😂not at all! Crazy such nonsense is even commented.
No naruto and sasuke
And Obito's case 😂😂😂😂😂 his paths are faster than Naruto so both of them are get speed blitzed.
🤣🤣🤣 And mutual kill soul pull??? We clearly see that kcm naruto who splits his chakra into 1000s of clones can counter that for some time and obito is stronger than KCM naruto 2 can do better than KCM naruto😂😂😂😂.
1: The paths are not faster than Naruto. They jumped him and had the shared vision perception amp. Also, Itachi and Nagato are relative to KCM Naruto. I mean Nagato literally almost killed him.
2: Right, which is why I said at worst case it’s a mutual kill, but it’s probably not a win con for either because they can counter each other with it
i'm sure u know the kamui has many dimensions,kakashi only had an advantage because they share the same eyes..both of u should quit naruto channels
Kamui is it’s own dimension. Read the databook 4 page on it before you comment imbecilic nonsense like this.
Hiruzan with 5 clones and reaper death seal 🤣🤣 .... >>>> Nagato and Itachi🤡🤡🤡.
Dawg maybe PRIME Hiruzen, but there’s no way you think Edo Hiruzen is doing anything to these dudes
@@sageofthickcalves Why edo Hiruzan blitzed Tobirama... And KCMNaruto when naruto get caught in Wood style and he reacts to that woods to break them.... So both itachi and Nagato get blitzed and get sealed in reaper or his normal sealing Justus..
Madara low diff
Madara high diff.