I always assumed that in his fight against Ay and Bee, Minato just had a pre placed kunai on the tree. The kunai we see him throw was just being thrown right next to Ay, hence why Minato waited so long to throw it. Basically he teleported to the kunai on the tree, and back to the Kunai he just threw in a split second. Either way, it's still a crazy feat. Good video boys!
"Obito can use Izanagi with the eye covered" When did he do this? Afaik the only time he used Izanagi was against Konan, and he broke the left side of his mask right after Konan said the explosions would last longer than his Kamui. But I do agree that the seal on Danzou's arm also serves to cover the eyes for the same reason Kakashi covers his.
@@giannixx Yeah it’s weird because we see Obito begin to break his mask, but it’s not shown to be fully broken off when the explosions go off. But either interpretation works for the argument, like you eluded to
@@LeonidasSir I don't agree. He's a shit scaler, he just knows how to talk. He is good at winning debates / arguments, but his scaling is always so random.
Minato is the goat. Bro remained uninjured the entire series until he started fighting 10 tails obito and madara which he already died by that point. (Ignoring when he ran in front of the 9 tails claw to save Naruto)
Teen Minatos chakra pool is super underrated too. At 15 he was spamming rasengans to try and master it as seen in the panel where hes learning it with jiraiya. Kid Naruto could only use 2 rasengans before being almost drained of chakra if i remember correctly, and kakashi stated that naruto has much more chakra than him. When you compare the size of minatos normal rasengan, its the exact same size as narutos giant rasengan, meaning hes actually putting more chakra into it aswell. That combined with him being poisoned by the nine tails, fatally wounded, and still able to place a sealing jutsu on kurama just makes teen minato look like such a chakra juggernaut.
The only thing I really disagree on in the video is the idea that minato threw a kunai away from the raikage, FTG to it, and then threw it back. It makes way more sense using the anime’s interpretation where he pulls out the kunai, drops it in the air, FTG to a different kunai, and then FTG back to the first kunai.
You can see Ay in the background when Minato is on the tree and there’s no kunai by his head, so Minato definitely threw it. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
@@sageofthickcalves I wouldn’t exactly say that’s definitive proof though. For one, it could just be too small for the artist to actually draw it. For two, the kunai he teleports to has its end positioned away from where minato was. It would be odd for the trajectory to not have it land as if it came from that direction. For three, why would minato even bother with littering the field (and the tree) with kunai if he was just going to throw one and FTG to that one? He clearly set up the field so he wouldn’t need to throw more kunai afterwards. For four, we also see the kunai near Ay’s head doesn’t have any speed lines around it which suggests it’s not moving very quickly. This is further proven in the previous panels where minato throws the kunai and when they land, both instances showing speed lines on every kunai he threw. For five, the anime clearly shows an interpretation where minato FTG away and then FTG back to the one he left in the air. You can argue it’s non canon and all that sure, but I would think it’s still worth something that the animators chose to showcase the fight this way. I don’t think there’s enough evidence to suggest he threw a kunai (when he already had them set up) FTG to it, threw that kunai back (without speed lines) and then FTG back to Ay.
@@xero1048 The problem is that we clearly see other kunai scattered around the ground in that frame, so it’s not too small to draw, and minato literally throws a kunai to escape the initial charge, despite having kunai scattered already. Since the anime isn’t canon, it doesn’t really matter here. Also, your interpretation doesn’t explain the lack of a kunai in frame where it should be. Mine does.
@@sageofthickcalves yes there are other kunai in the image but they’re also on the easy to see background of a blank field. Drawing one over Ay might have cluttered the already small image. It could have just been an artistic choice to make the action clearer. Alternatively, kishimoto may have just forgotten to include it. It’s not like it’s the first time a manga artist made a mistake while drawing the panels? So using it as hard definitive evidence is a bit shaky for me. I already agreed the anime isn’t canon so it also isn’t definitive evidence, but just that it shows that the animators also took this interpretation. My explanation also helps to explain the lack of speed lines consistently shown on kunai thrown by minato whereas yours doesn’t. I have no problem with saying perhaps kishimoto forgot to draw them, as I used that as an argument earlier, but at best it becomes an equal argument. But I think it’s more consistent that he would have drawn them considering he had literally just drawn them seconds earlier. Again I’m not saying my interpretation is the definitive only explanation, just that yours is also an interpretation of what’s seen on panel and not necessarily 100% accurate. I still think minato’s speed is >>>>> than Ay, and I still think he no diffed that fight and would pretty easily beat the 5 kage summit, I’m just addressing that one argument as what I would consider head canon or an interpretation.
It’s always been dumb how people like Minato and hashirama, despite being more powerful than god, died. Minato being this fast and powerful and also intelligent, there’s no valid reason that he wasn’t able to survive the 9tails.
@@kevingbergiste7372 Yeah the only reasons he had to sacrifice himself are a) he was heavily fatigued and b) killing the nine tails would run the risk of it being reborn in another country where someone else could scoop it up. The only jutsu he had that could do the job of splitting and then sealing Kurama at that point was the Reaper Death Seal.
5 Kage Summit suggestions: 1. Kakashi (support could be Sakura and Yamato or Asuma and Gai with a 6 or 7 gate cap) 2. Anbu Kakashi and Itachi (if you want to give them another support it could be Yamato because I think adding Shisui or Mukai is too much)
The only way that this is a remotely interesting battle scenario is it Minato teleports to the middle of the room like Zetzu and took them all on at once, and even then it’s still not much of a challenge
Another great video, y'all! But it's getting pretty sad seeing all the Ls that Mei has to take. Do you think you could make a video that gives her a chance? Like a Jonin gauntlet or something?
Considering the Raikage as an adult and jonin minato are similar speed without ftg, then minato can literally one shot any of the kage, I'd give it to Minato. Really any hokage except tsunade solos the 5 kage.
Tbh minato would blitz everyone in that room. Dude teleported and immediately slashed obito neck once he realized he was the same guy he fought against from the past
Minato really thought his kunai could do something, which would likely imply that's the first time he could get a hit off on Ay. The reason you said on the video was hella reaching in order to put Minato over, when we know the speed was his major advantage that put him over Ay. Bee also fairly predicted him into a stalemate.
@@yuan713 yeah I’m just not on board with the idea that against the son of the 3rd Raikage, whose up next for that position, and the 8 tail’s jinchuriki that Minato wouldn’t use the jutsu he specifically invented to fight jinchuriki 💀 If we agree Minato blitzed Ay’s movement with his kunai throw, and Ay is faster than Bee, it tracks that he could’ve stabbed Bee before Bee stabbed him. Minato was 100% holding back there
Hey Sage loved the vid! Do you think you could make a video explaining how Naruto's cosmology works or is structured? Like for example the kamui dimension did it come into existence with obito or was it just always there
@@sageofthickcalves thank you so much! This has been in the back of my mind for years after kaguya showed up and I've yet to see anyone explain the subject. Much appreciated ❤️💚💙
@@sageofthickcalves just did, when Ay was right in his face if he actually has faster foot speed he would just run away instead of teleporting, and the scaling y'all used just assumed raikage never improved since his fight with minato. And you also said his throw speed blitz Ay twice when he threw the kunai to the tree but that kunai was already there he only threw the one behind Ay 29:30. Minato Ap is also very overrated here, if his rasengan as hokage couldn't vaporized 14 year old Obito I don't see it one shotting Ay
@@elhood4060 1: We know Minato was holding back, AND that Minato blitzed him with the kunai throw, so you could easily say he just chose to use FTG to be safe, not that he absolutely needed it there. 2: The kunai is not already there. He has a kunai in his right hand, we then see him land by a kunai with no kunai in his hand anymore. The kunai he lands by has the onomatopoeia of “sprong” given to it, which indicates the kunai landed as Minato did. The other kunai he threw landed before Ay began his charge. Look at page 14. It’s not arguable. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542 3: 17 year old* Obito has Hashirama cells and the rasengan literally melted his arm off lmao.
Minato vs Sasuke each forms would basically be Sasuke loosing all till he gets to EMS(As he's weaker than KCM2 Naruto then)where he MIGHT edge out on Minato but then KCM2 would just win again till SO6P power up with rinnegan
I like the video but idk about scaling a raging 8 tails higher then any form of killer b using a cloak as kishimoto made a very clear point multiple times within naruto that the tailed beast are massively amplified in strength when working in conjuction with their jinchuriki as opposed to raging on their own
The only indication given as to why Bijuu are stronger with a jinchuriki host is a boost in intelligence, but we already know that Gyuuki is smart on his own so I don’t think it applies here.
@sageofthickcalves narrative implications are important too. It's one of the safer assumptions to make imo also what scaling does gyuuki have for battle IQ? I would understand this argument for Kurama, even then i would still argue his feats as a jinchuriki far outweigh any of his feats even as the full 9 tails regardless 8 tails doesn't stack up imo
@@maxmcdonald2714 What about the narrative implies Gyuuki is massively stronger with a host? The Sasuke fight, as well as the entire war arc, show us multiple instances of Gyuuki communicating with Bee to help him fight more strategically
@sageofthickcalves the literal statement that tailed beasts are stronger within their jinchuriki, the narrative implications of the 3rd raikage suppressing a raging gyuuki and then killer b surpassing the 4th in the war arc If you consider a raging tailed beast as 1 to 1 with a perfect jinchuriki then how does this effect Kurama scaling? If naruto is able to fight jubito with half of Kurama but jubito scales significantly above hashirama who defeated a full kurama with a majestic attire on top then does that indicate that a perfect jinchuriki is greater then the sum of its parts resulting in gyuuki raging not scaling to b?
@@maxmcdonald2714 The only statement we get in regards to a bijuu being stronger with a jinchuriki comes in regards to Isobu, and it’s strictly about bijuu having low intellect. So this a) could me a misconception from Deidara or b) could only apply to the dumb ones. Gyuuki is not dumb. Kurama at full power is > KCM2 Naruto for sure. Bijuu Sage Mode (KCM2 + SM) is closer, and that’s the version of Naruto that fought Juubito, but both FP Kurama and bijuu Sage mode Naruto are below Juubito. As far as Hashirama, his wood style is faster than he is, and it’s actually able to tag Juubito. Since wood style suppresses chakra, base Hashirama can be below the full power of Kurama physically, but his wood style would close that gap and give him an advantage once it touches him. No real contradictions here.
Minato was a prime definition of untapped potential due to dying so young. Peole underestimate him due to not being flashy like Itachi, Madara or Naruto Flying Rajin once marked, cannot be removed and he can teleport to you anytime, anywhere. In your own village, on the toilet, in another dimension Once marked, he could easily bypass defenses like Susanoo and he can redirect any attacks to anywhere, including a user that is marked. Madara big bad jutsus would be redirected to his own body Also the fact outside of flying rajin, he is the fastest shinobi we seen in base speed besides Itachi, Sasuke and Madara
Another thing is originally he had the chance to live and split the Kurama Chakra with Naruto. If he chose that route and had another ten years of training he’d be in a different league of his own. He’d more comparable to White Mask Obito IMO.
He solos them all obviously. If the fastest guy there is no match for him, its over. Doesnt matter how powerful their combined attacks are if it's not gonna hit. Even a room full of Sharingan cant keep up with FTG.
Brother can you make a video on kakashi about his sensei role many people in fandom says that he is the wrost sensei and favor sasuke and neglect naruto in chunnin exam what do you think about this??
@@joshmitchell886 page 14 bottom right panel, you can see his rasengan damages A3 through the lightning cloak: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10555000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-555
@@elhood4060 page 14 you can see that the kunai is given an onomatopoeia bubble that indicates a vibrational noise, as well as movements lines indicating that type of movement around the outside of the kunai: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542 So no, the kunai wasn’t already there. It landed at the same time he did, meaning he threw it.
@@sageofthickcalves First it wasn't like that in the anime I'm sure you already know. Second even on this panel there's literally 4 kunai on that same tree, did he throw all 4 that moment? No, the kunai didn't even have impact like the ones from the previous page or Minato feet when he landed. And that bubble was probably Minato landing, the kunai had no speed line whatsoever like when he actually threw them.
@@elhood4060 1: The anime isn’t canon. 2: The kanji given there indicates a vibrating noise, usually associated with something metal. You can also zoom in and see the movement lines around the kunai in that panel, indicating vibration. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542 Join my discord server and debate me on it if you want, but this is clear as day. discord.gg/mgmkYAkj
@@sageofthickcalves I'm sure the people who animated it have a better idea of what happened there, I understand the scene is mostly vague and up for interpretation but him throwing 2 kunai is just a less likely interpretation, he had one kunai on his had when Ay charged him, he teleported to a kunai which was already as I said there's literally 4 sitting on the tree so i think the anime interpretation is most likely but we can agree to disagree it's alright great video I just don't see that version of Minato having an easy time with Ay especially when he most likely improved since they fought
@@elhood4060 Did the animators have a better understanding of Pain vs Kakashi when they had Kakashi snap a Rinnegan rod in half, despite that never happening in the manga? That’s a ridiculous argument. Again, we literally see the sound bubble indication for the kunai landing on the tree AT THE SAME TIME that Minato does. Also, zoom in on that panel where he’s on the tree. Look by Ay. There’s no random floating kunai by him. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542 Just because you don’t like what Kishimoto was trying to convey, doesn’t mean that you or the Naruto animators have the correct interpretation. It’s VERY clear that Minato lands on the tree at the same time as the kunai, and it’s also clear that there’s no floating kunai by Ay’s shoulder.
Direspectful Virtue is best virtue, chinny chin chin had me FOAMING. This was a banger Video and collab edit: also yes plz to sasuke vs minato form by form
ftg is not a hax compared to izanagi or particle style this fandom is delusional i agree minato is faster than ay but that amp gets closed because ohnki is there he can amp all characters stats if their amp at the stats at the begging of the match can jonnin minato wins i doubt it
I FUCKING APOLOGIZE??? Since when was being a strong as Mifune a bad thing? Him and Hanzo are relative no? And we already got Hanzo smacking up early sannin.. all three of them.. at that point in the series, being relative to someone with that kind of feat is still impressive and def not something 3-tomoe sharingan can do😭 Deidara almost barbecued this little twink like wym😭😭😭😭😭
The scaling for 'a' was silly. We directly have the third raikage stated to be the strongest raikage in history. You ignored bee showing that he surpassed a, yet also didn't receive the title of a suddenly. You can't scale jounin ay relative to him, or anywhere close. Base bee > v1 A Base bee also tanked an attack from 'full power a' v2 'a' 'might' be relative to base bee, but nothing indicates he's on the level of v1 bee, let alone gyuki. Its pretty clear a is just what they call the guy who is 'next up' and a hereditary title for the strongest of that generation/group.
@@cattusstroffic1243 Page 14, you can see Ay behind Minato when he’s on the tree. There’s no Kunai floating by him like there is in the anime. www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
@sageofthickcalves I'm seeing the kunai floating by Ayys shoulder and no speed lines on the kunai in any of those frames. But also, no rotation lines on the "floating kunai." Not tryna be a try hard here lmao.
@@cattusstroffic1243 there aren’t speed lines, or even impact markers, on the kunai that lands on the tree either. All we get is “sprong”. Also, Minato only has one kunai in his hand there. So either, he reached in his back pocket with his left hand, threw a kunai up into the air, then threw the kunai in his right pocket to the tree, and teleported back to the first kunai ALL BEFORE Ay could move like 2 inches, or he threw the kunai in his right hand to the tree, teleported, threw it back, and teleported ALL BEFORE Ay could move like 2 inches. There’s no other explanation here. I’d say that the second is more likely because a) we don’t see another kunai for him to toss up prior to tossing the one in his right hand and b) we don’t see a floating kunai in frame when Minato is on the tree. But either way, Minato would have had to have physically perception blitzed Ay there TWICE.
I can’t put minato equal or over 3rd raikage. Honestly nothing minato has can damage 3rd raikage other than kcm minato. As well cannot see 4th raikage being over 3rd. Yes 4th is faster but 3rd is definitely stronger and more durable.
@@sageofthickcalves ...yo you're not like any other youtuber, really whenever I asked you anything you always respond to my question as fast as shinra . Thank you bro..... Big fan..
@@PitouYT he used rasengan against Kurama once and stalemated his bijuu bomb in Kushina’s mental scape during the One Shot manga. If you’re referring to the attack on Konoha, he didn’t want to kill Kurama because when bijuu die they reincarnate at a random place. He didn’t want that power to fall into the hands of another village, so sealing Kurama was the best option
@@PitouYT I appreciate you! Yeah I’m just not sure tailed beasts can be KOd. I think they just have to be killed or subdued via restraining or sealing. Even with that, he’s pretty fatigued by that point, and couldn’t handle the full chakra of Kurama by himself. So the only sealing technique in his arsenal that could split Kurama in two parts and seal both parts away way the RDS
Regardless of anything minato has to take Tsunade out first because she is strong and her healing abilities mean she could keep all the waste man alive. Combat ways Tsunade and the raikage are minato biggest threat and even still you would win but let's see what the video says.😂😂
@@tigrisbrewster7908 Before Naruto hits A3 with the rasengan, there are no cracks on his elbow. We then see there are cracks on his elbow as the rasengan lands. Page 14 I believe: comick.io/comic/naruto/648AL-chapter-555-en
@@sageofthickcalves Not too sure I agree about 4th Raikage being superior to the 3rd, him being named Ay doesn’t mean he surpassed his predecessor yet, as someone as to be groomed to take the mantle after the current Kage passes on. Also, we’ve seen Bee overpower V1 4th Raikage during the war. That said, I personally have heavy reservation about Minato’s AP, it’s never portrayed that’s what made him dangerous.
@@blackxel6414 The title of “Raikage ‘A’” is given to the strongest person in the Cloud. He has the title of A and is stated to be a candidate for Raikage WHILE A3 is alive. This means he MUST be on a similar tier. As far as AP, I demonstrated why his rasengan just has better feats than even SM Naruto, who was able to damage A3 through his lightning cloak
@@sageofthickcalves Similar tier yeah. Again, a candidate must be chosen and he was clearly the strongest of the shinobi in the village, hence why he gets the title A. SM Naruto didn’t damage A3, he used his Rasengan to get him to hurt himself. The whole point of the fight was that only A3’s “spear” could hurt his “shield”.
@@blackxel6414 page 14 you can see Naruto’s rasengan causes cracks on A3’s elbow: www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10555000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-555 We know this is from the rasengan because these marks aren’t there before, and that’s what it looks like when edos begin taking damage
Minato stalemates with a and b multiple times "so minato never lost" but he never won either. You can't take this to mean he's above them because he is factually at their level. It's a draw. There is also no proof minato was holding back every time against the duo. One time where he uses a kunai doesn't really mean anything. He may not have known about the durability amp of the lightning armor. Bee mentions after his fight with sasuke 2 things. 1. No one but A has every dodged his v1 charge before, including minato so either minato was hit by it or bee never had to use it 2. Fresh MS sasuke was the strongest dude he's ever fought. Jonin minato is below ms sasuke in the eyes of Bee who is basically an authority on jonin minato's abilities as they fought many times and stalemated every time. Furthermore, The title of A being the strongest is not the best indicator. For one, we don't know when the third raikage dies so A4 having that title could be an indication that the 3rd has already died and that A4 was granted the title by default, not by surpassing his father. In the scan where it says they fought many times it even calls the A the fourth raikage so it seems he was raikage already. Secondly, Even after Killer bee and darui surpass A they dont change their names so its a not a definitive point. Don't bother with the minato vs sasuke video. You wont have sasuke winning a single fight until EMS and even then you'll argue KCM minato could draw or whatever and then rinnegan sasukes no diffs from there. Saved you the production time
1: Minato blitzes Ay twice in that encounter and uses a kunai instead of his rasengan. He was holding back and obviously not trying to kill them. If you disagree with this, explain why he didn’t use the rasengan. 2: Bee says MS Sasuke is “one of the two toughest opponents I’ve fought”. What you’re using is a mistranslation that’s been debunked for a while. 3. We directly see Ay being called Ay while the 3rd is still alive, when Bee is still a child. 4: Ay was not the Raikage when they fought in the war 💀 Minato says “NEXT TIME we fight, we may be doing it as kage”. 5: Bee doesn’t surpass Ay. Darui just broke the tradition. If you’re gonna come and try to give corrections with your whole chest out, make sure you know your stuff first.
@@sageofthickcalves 1. I already said, he may not have been aware of the durability amp, it was their first fight. There is no reason to hold back as minato is known for killing shinobi to the point that there are flee on sight orders. Him not using the rasengan doesnt mean much as Bee didnt use the v1 cloak according to his statement in his sasuke fight. Bee is also aware of the rasengan and its existence as his flashback has minato holding a rasengan so minato used it at some point and Ay and Bee still didnt die. Your argument can be flipped right back and say bee was holding back on minato. Because if someone not using X jutsu MUST mean theyre holding back then there you go. Bee was holding back on minato because he didnt go full v2 or full biju. 2. Stays consistent with minato being below PA sage naruto. MS sasuke is in the same tier as if not stronger than minato. Fukasaku and bee put MS sasuke and sage mode naruto at above minato and sage mode naruto says him and sasuke would stalemate if they fought. Authors intent being Sage naruto =~= MS sasuke > Minato. Had gaara not saved the raikage fresh MS sasuke would've done more to hurt the raiakge than mianto did in years. The portrayal is consistent, unless of course you think fukasaku and bee were lying..to themselves...in their thoughts....for reasons. Also not for nothing but Viz IS the official translation. 3. Okay simple flaw in your logic. How can there be two ays? If the title always means the strongest then why does A3 keep the title while A4 is being called A in the 3rd war?. Why does A4 not change his name to something else when Bee and darui surpass him? 4. Oh so there are confirmed two Ays? So there are two "strongest shinobi in the cloud" A4 surpasses A3 but A3 still has the title of A so is the strongest? This is proof the value of the "title of A" isn't worth much. There can only be one "the strongest" refer to problem 3 above. 5. Bee doesnt surpass ay? You on crack. It was already arguable BEFORE Bee gained the samehada. After that in addition to his WA feats he eclipses Ay. Samehada rips through raiton and bee kills easily. Bee certainly surpassed Ay in the Warc arc. Why would darui break tradition? Shouldn't the infallible One-off DB statement apply to him too? Your argument is just loose. You do this in multiple videos where you get an inch and take a mile. A/b combo and minato fight to the point that bee and minato will die in a mutual strike (i.e. ay left standing alive) and that somehow means minato is superior to the duo in contrast to the repeated statements and shown fights where they stalemate? Then, you take the same minato (young and jonin) and have him superior to a guy the 4th databook says "speed not inferior to that of the yellow flash". So jonin minato CAN'T blitz A4 because is is just as fast as him. It doesn't even mention 4th hokage, it specifically says yellow flash. I can call you on shit because i know my stuff and recognize wank when I see it. This is nothing but a glaze video based on a single statement that is dubious at best and outright wrong more often than not.
Bee mentoining how everyone but AY has dodged his v1 simply means he didn't use it or did not have it at the time as that same Minato is even in speed with that same AY so jonnin Minato -ay >V1 Bee😭. "fresh ms" sasuke suposdley being the strongest person bee fought very well could have meaning to amaterasu which actually makes sense as bee was about to die which makes even more sense as all fresh ms Sasuke actually ever did apart from that was go reltive to bee.. which means u are arguing that nobody has fought relative to bee which woudnt include minato since minato was an AY rival at the time who has 3 diff statments above bee until the war arc and had to fight bee and ay as a duo. The same AY who was blitzing-badly out speeding an ms Sasuke who was stated to surpass curse mark 2 hebi Sasuke which means he wasn't as strong or fast during the bee fight so jonnin minato > curse mark 2 hebi Sasuke > bee fight sasuke. So in conclusion ms sasuke being the toughest opponent bee fought doesn't matter as jonnin Minato scales above bee himself via being an ay rival along with fighting in a 2v1 against both AY and Bee along with just outright being above bee fight sasuke lmao
@@ronsmith9027 1 prove fugasaku would have any idea of how strong Mianto is when he didn't even master sage mode or let alone fight in front of fugasaku like naruto did with pain as his circumstances forced naruto to fight pain and as a result fugasaku to bear witness. 2 minato already precption blitzed kurama twice who reacted to and even tagged sm naruto hokage Minato > kurama perception > sm naruto, 3 teenage obito was already stated above sage naruto (as he explicitly needed kcm1-2 to fight him via authors intent) who is a shown and stated minato victim so Hokage minato > obtio > sm naruto. 3 As Naruto fights pain he still believes he hasn't surpassed mianto right before he lands the final rasengan as this is in a flashback to future tense statments like naruto finding the answer for hatred among shinobi all of which he hasn't done (YET) so you by definition don't understand Narutos journey if u believe sage Naruto "surpaased" hokage Minato in the pain arc as he is confirmed flatout not to be. 4 minato has 2 sepreate statments above itachi who scales to ems sasuke who via authors intent would equal sage naruto so much so as they both agree and believe they would die if they fought. Hokage Minato > itachi - ems Sasuke >ms Sasuke - sm Naruto. minato has like 2 more blitz arguments but thats already a lot (sorry that its a lot but that sm naruto > minato argument is as bad as itachi > jiraya 😭)
@@ronsmith9027 1: Minato knows of the 3rd Raikage and his abilities. He’d know that a kunai wouldn’t do the job. Also, holding back for the sake of building a good diplomatic relationship with the future Raikage makes sense for Minato’s character. As far as Bee, Ay literally told him to stay out of it, and then proceeded to get perception blitzed by Minato twice before he could move like 2 inches. Even then, Bee is directly stated and shown to be weaker than Ay at that point. With full transformation Gyuuki being Bee’s strongest combat form, and A4 being relative to A3, putting him above that, the V1 and V2 jinchuriki cloaks would’ve been useless. So your counter doesn’t work. Again, they fought multiple times and we have evidence for Ay wanting to kill him, but no evidence for Minato wanting to kill Ay, as we actually see the opposite demonstrated. 2: Minato is never stated to be below PA SM Naruto. That statement is either in reference to SM mastery or the will of fire. The first interpretation works because we actually don’t know if Naruto is STRONGER than SM Jiraiya or not, so to assert he’s stronger than Minato from that statement is disingenuous. Minato is also directly comparable to a stronger form of Naruto in KCM2. The second interpretation works because the birthday profile guides says that Tsunade saw the “shadows of the will of fire at his back” in regards to that moment. The idea that Minato, who’s above the nine tails, and a version of Hiruzen who was confident he could contain the nine tails by himself, is below PA SM Naruto is ridiculously inconsistent. 3: There can be two Ay’s if they’re relative. Imagine there’s an IQ test given to every American and the person with the highest IQ gets the title of “President, Smartest American”. If person A gets a score of 210 and gets elected, then two months later person B ALSO gets a score of 210, they wouldn’t have usurped person A in score, so they wouldn’t take the position of Raikage, BUT there WOULD BE TWO people with the title of “Smartest American”. There are no flaws in this logic. To assume two shinobi cannot be the same strength is weird. 4: Dismantled this argument in point 3 5: Prove Bee surpassed Ay. The databook 4 statement covers up to chapter 691 I believe. That’s after the end of the war, but before the conclusion of the FV fight. Since we have an author statement saying Ay has the greatest combat ability in the Cloud at that point, the onus is on you to prove Kishimoto is wrong. As far as Darui breaking tradition, he doesn’t get elected Raikage until WAY after the point where DB4 covers, so no that statement wouldn’t apply to him. He’s also just outright shown to be disrespectful of traditions, so it’s consistent for his character. 6: Minato would not have died in a mutual strike there. He can simply activate FTG, AND he’s got better combat speed feats than Bee, since his kunai throw perception blitzed Ay. 7: The “speed not inferior to the Yellow Flash” is a) likely in reference to jonin Minato, and b) likely in reference to physical movement speed, not necessarily striking or reaction speed. Minato’s FTG is inherently faster than Ay because it’s instantaneous travel. So it must be in reference to something else. Your claims were debunked easily my guy. If you wanna talk about it more, head over to my discord server. Link: discord.gg/5D9DFmM7
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As the biggest Minato meat rider this video made my day
Same, as a shanks and minato glazer I too had my day made
Ok no I'm the biggest but I agree
Same here lmao
I feel like in Sasuke's place, if Minato just wanted Danzo, he'd be able to get to him without going through the 5kage gauntlet. 🤣
Probably tbh
Man was the Goat,
Just FTG a kunai into danzo neck. minato was extremely blood hungry so he ain’t going easy from the get go
@@cameronbolden5064 Minato was not “bloodthirsty”
@@aceclover758 He has over 1,000 confirmed kills in the third war, and singlehandedly caused the Hidden Stone to surrender and enter negotiations.
😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨 I saw “Jonin Minato vs the summit” and my eyes got big…. I saw 41mins and started smiling the grinch 😈😈😂😂😂
Sealing away the sharingan is low key a pretty cool win con
This Jonin Minato scaling is so good
The fact that it’s jonin minato and not hokage vs the 5 kage makes me scared enough to break out in a cold sweat
Minatos proccessing speed is lowkey not talked about enough.
I ain’t even watched it yet, but I know that you know that I know that this is already a BANGER
Banger after BANGER with these Jonin Minato kids, bro. Serving ALL the facts. Loved the video.
My nomination for the next FKS challengers are anbu Kakashi, Yamato, and Itachi
Itachi has caused so much drama on this vsb 💀
I always assumed that in his fight against Ay and Bee, Minato just had a pre placed kunai on the tree. The kunai we see him throw was just being thrown right next to Ay, hence why Minato waited so long to throw it. Basically he teleported to the kunai on the tree, and back to the Kunai he just threw in a split second. Either way, it's still a crazy feat. Good video boys!
@@MandatoryFruit look at my latest short 🙏🏼
"Obito can use Izanagi with the eye covered"
When did he do this? Afaik the only time he used Izanagi was against Konan, and he broke the left side of his mask right after Konan said the explosions would last longer than his Kamui.
But I do agree that the seal on Danzou's arm also serves to cover the eyes for the same reason Kakashi covers his.
@@giannixx Yeah it’s weird because we see Obito begin to break his mask, but it’s not shown to be fully broken off when the explosions go off. But either interpretation works for the argument, like you eluded to
Awesome vid. Also, don’t worry about what Noodles said. As a power-scaler, he thinks Kakuzu stands a chance against Pain, so nothing he says matters 🔥
What are you talking about? Kakazu with his raw durability solo's the verse 🤨
@@Rdc_Domoh yeah my bad, his raw durability and multi continental AP stomps Shibai🔥
did he actually say that 😭😭
noodles is able to make you believe kid konohamaru is faster than sage jiraiya. His takes are wild sometimes but he's a good scaler generally
@@LeonidasSir I don't agree. He's a shit scaler, he just knows how to talk. He is good at winning debates / arguments, but his scaling is always so random.
Sage of Thick Calves is top tier tagline. First time seeing your channel. Algorithm slappin
@@craigford33 thank you 🫡
The VPs of the Minato Glaze committee are back at it again. I'm the president, btw
I’m the head of the secret shadow government of Minato glaze
So mr president where do u think Hokage Minato scales too?
@@spartagaming6210 He solos then five Kage as a toddler 🙌
@@NonAryanDuck why do think you think minato is kcm1 or kcm2 level?
@spartagaming6210 As a Jonin, he's Kcm1 level or slightly above. As Hokage, he should be kcm2.
Bunch of jonin minato victims
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I know this is about to be a glazeathon , Im still gonna watch tho
Minato is the goat. Bro remained uninjured the entire series until he started fighting 10 tails obito and madara which he already died by that point. (Ignoring when he ran in front of the 9 tails claw to save Naruto)
Minato is also the only person besides Naruto to combine both sage mode and kurama chakra cloak mode.
Except he never combined sage mode and KCM… they’re two separate forms. When he’s not using KCM, he uses perfect sage mode.
Read this as John Minato vs 5 Kate summit
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Yeah, there's two parts to this video. 1) Normal settings; and 2) Kate killed his dog.
Teen Minatos chakra pool is super underrated too. At 15 he was spamming rasengans to try and master it as seen in the panel where hes learning it with jiraiya. Kid Naruto could only use 2 rasengans before being almost drained of chakra if i remember correctly, and kakashi stated that naruto has much more chakra than him. When you compare the size of minatos normal rasengan, its the exact same size as narutos giant rasengan, meaning hes actually putting more chakra into it aswell. That combined with him being poisoned by the nine tails, fatally wounded, and still able to place a sealing jutsu on kurama just makes teen minato look like such a chakra juggernaut.
when i say giant rasengan, i mean like the big ball rasengan that naruto uses at start of shippuden.
I am a simple man, I see a Sage video and I click on it.
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Man you damn underated
I appreciate that 🙏🏼
Can i ask is kakashi your favourite character? He is mine too. Also can you make video about dms kakashi?
@@Danielbg199 he is! And yeah eventually I will
Criminally underrated channel fr. You make great content bro
@@gokusage1130 I appreciate it bro!
The only thing I really disagree on in the video is the idea that minato threw a kunai away from the raikage, FTG to it, and then threw it back.
It makes way more sense using the anime’s interpretation where he pulls out the kunai, drops it in the air, FTG to a different kunai, and then FTG back to the first kunai.
You can see Ay in the background when Minato is on the tree and there’s no kunai by his head, so Minato definitely threw it.
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
@@sageofthickcalves I wouldn’t exactly say that’s definitive proof though.
For one, it could just be too small for the artist to actually draw it.
For two, the kunai he teleports to has its end positioned away from where minato was. It would be odd for the trajectory to not have it land as if it came from that direction.
For three, why would minato even bother with littering the field (and the tree) with kunai if he was just going to throw one and FTG to that one? He clearly set up the field so he wouldn’t need to throw more kunai afterwards.
For four, we also see the kunai near Ay’s head doesn’t have any speed lines around it which suggests it’s not moving very quickly. This is further proven in the previous panels where minato throws the kunai and when they land, both instances showing speed lines on every kunai he threw.
For five, the anime clearly shows an interpretation where minato FTG away and then FTG back to the one he left in the air. You can argue it’s non canon and all that sure, but I would think it’s still worth something that the animators chose to showcase the fight this way.
I don’t think there’s enough evidence to suggest he threw a kunai (when he already had them set up) FTG to it, threw that kunai back (without speed lines) and then FTG back to Ay.
@@xero1048 The problem is that we clearly see other kunai scattered around the ground in that frame, so it’s not too small to draw, and minato literally throws a kunai to escape the initial charge, despite having kunai scattered already.
Since the anime isn’t canon, it doesn’t really matter here. Also, your interpretation doesn’t explain the lack of a kunai in frame where it should be. Mine does.
@@sageofthickcalves yes there are other kunai in the image but they’re also on the easy to see background of a blank field. Drawing one over Ay might have cluttered the already small image. It could have just been an artistic choice to make the action clearer. Alternatively, kishimoto may have just forgotten to include it. It’s not like it’s the first time a manga artist made a mistake while drawing the panels? So using it as hard definitive evidence is a bit shaky for me.
I already agreed the anime isn’t canon so it also isn’t definitive evidence, but just that it shows that the animators also took this interpretation.
My explanation also helps to explain the lack of speed lines consistently shown on kunai thrown by minato whereas yours doesn’t. I have no problem with saying perhaps kishimoto forgot to draw them, as I used that as an argument earlier, but at best it becomes an equal argument. But I think it’s more consistent that he would have drawn them considering he had literally just drawn them seconds earlier.
Again I’m not saying my interpretation is the definitive only explanation, just that yours is also an interpretation of what’s seen on panel and not necessarily 100% accurate. I still think minato’s speed is >>>>> than Ay, and I still think he no diffed that fight and would pretty easily beat the 5 kage summit, I’m just addressing that one argument as what I would consider head canon or an interpretation.
@@xero1048 i dont think minato is massively faster than ay but he's faster overall where ay us faster in foot speed
Love these summit videos
It’s always been dumb how people like Minato and hashirama, despite being more powerful than god, died. Minato being this fast and powerful and also intelligent, there’s no valid reason that he wasn’t able to survive the 9tails.
@@kevingbergiste7372 Yeah the only reasons he had to sacrifice himself are a) he was heavily fatigued and b) killing the nine tails would run the risk of it being reborn in another country where someone else could scoop it up. The only jutsu he had that could do the job of splitting and then sealing Kurama at that point was the Reaper Death Seal.
@@sageofthickcalveshe never even got to reach his peak too
5 Kage Summit suggestions:
1. Kakashi (support could be Sakura and Yamato or Asuma and Gai with a 6 or 7 gate cap)
2. Anbu Kakashi and Itachi (if you want to give them another support it could be Yamato because I think adding Shisui or Mukai is too much)
Danzo is what happens when someone who has never or barely played an MMO buys a high level character in said MMO.
I wanna hear how Minato bully Sasuke
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The only way that this is a remotely interesting battle scenario is it Minato teleports to the middle of the room like Zetzu and took them all on at once, and even then it’s still not much of a challenge
Another day another way to explain why minato is the goat
Another great video, y'all! But it's getting pretty sad seeing all the Ls that Mei has to take. Do you think you could make a video that gives her a chance? Like a Jonin gauntlet or something?
@@Golden_Raijin yeah I want to make a video hyping Mei at some point
@@sageofthickcalvessuch a stupid video
she will survive in iruka vs 5 kages video
whole summary. Noone at the summit has the capability to deal with Minato's FTG speed. Ay comes close ... but he lost
The teleportation jutsu is completely overpowered if he gets one of his kunai like 1meter near to anyone he gets a free hit on the opponent
Considering the Raikage as an adult and jonin minato are similar speed without ftg, then minato can literally one shot any of the kage, I'd give it to Minato. Really any hokage except tsunade solos the 5 kage.
Tbh minato would blitz everyone in that room. Dude teleported and immediately slashed obito neck once he realized he was the same guy he fought against from the past
Bloodlusted revenge-driven Minato trying to assassinate Danzo through the 5KS is a scary scenario.
If Minato was a bad guy💀 bro nice one very funny😂
Minato really thought his kunai could do something, which would likely imply that's the first time he could get a hit off on Ay. The reason you said on the video was hella reaching in order to put Minato over, when we know the speed was his major advantage that put him over Ay. Bee also fairly predicted him into a stalemate.
@@yuan713 yeah I’m just not on board with the idea that against the son of the 3rd Raikage, whose up next for that position, and the 8 tail’s jinchuriki that Minato wouldn’t use the jutsu he specifically invented to fight jinchuriki 💀
If we agree Minato blitzed Ay’s movement with his kunai throw, and Ay is faster than Bee, it tracks that he could’ve stabbed Bee before Bee stabbed him.
Minato was 100% holding back there
Minato stomps
Tbh I don’t even think danzo makes it to the bridge 😮💨
@@Dyce2k I agree
34:25 bro I was in TEARS 😭😭😭😭😭
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Hey Sage loved the vid! Do you think you could make a video explaining how Naruto's cosmology works or is structured? Like for example the kamui dimension did it come into existence with obito or was it just always there
Thank you!
Yeah I have a Naruto Cosmology Explained video coming relatively soon 🫡
@@sageofthickcalves thank you so much! This has been in the back of my mind for years after kaguya showed up and I've yet to see anyone explain the subject. Much appreciated ❤️💚💙
you should drop a collab with virthue he has good and similar content like your🔥
lmao he is in this video 🤣🤣
Hell yeah sasuke vs Minato
Idk if yall did it already, but I'm here for Jiraiya vs 5KS!!
I think Virhtue has already done it
@@sageofthickcalves okay I'll check it out. Respect to you too fam. You're one the most reasonable Naruto youtubers I've come across in recent times!
@@chadbushell I appreciate you bro!
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I think Jonin Minato would win because if he's able to tank Naruto Sage mode than he is good.
Do gojo vs minato next
Have you seen Yu Yu Hakusho and if you have can you please do team Avatar vs the Dark Tournament, p.s. love your vids
I haven’t seen it, but it’s on my list
@@sageofthickcalves well when you do, I hope you can make that vid
ronnie coleman vs anbu itachi and kakashi when
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Hi bro, what you think about start of pt2 kakashi vs 4 tails naruto
@@kimipsd I’ve got Kakashi
RIP the "Ay has speed not inferior to the Yellow Flash" statement. He shot himself in the back of the head 4 times before this video came out
@@Anno_AD Shippuden Ay ≈ Jonin Minato in running speed probably
@@sageofthickcalves Ay is way faster in running speed or else Minato wouldn't have to use FTG against joininh Ay
@@elhood4060 prove that
@@sageofthickcalves just did, when Ay was right in his face if he actually has faster foot speed he would just run away instead of teleporting, and the scaling y'all used just assumed raikage never improved since his fight with minato.
And you also said his throw speed blitz Ay twice when he threw the kunai to the tree but that kunai was already there he only threw the one behind Ay 29:30.
Minato Ap is also very overrated here, if his rasengan as hokage couldn't vaporized 14 year old Obito I don't see it one shotting Ay
@@elhood4060 1: We know Minato was holding back, AND that Minato blitzed him with the kunai throw, so you could easily say he just chose to use FTG to be safe, not that he absolutely needed it there.
2: The kunai is not already there. He has a kunai in his right hand, we then see him land by a kunai with no kunai in his hand anymore. The kunai he lands by has the onomatopoeia of “sprong” given to it, which indicates the kunai landed as Minato did. The other kunai he threw landed before Ay began his charge. Look at page 14. It’s not arguable.
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
3: 17 year old* Obito has Hashirama cells and the rasengan literally melted his arm off lmao.
Minato vs Sasuke each forms would basically be Sasuke loosing all till he gets to EMS(As he's weaker than KCM2 Naruto then)where he MIGHT edge out on Minato but then KCM2 would just win again till SO6P power up with rinnegan
Do you know why Darui isn't called Ay once he becomes raikage?
@@monarekabi4002 just broke tradition tbh. That’s in character for Darui tbh
I like the video but idk about scaling a raging 8 tails higher then any form of killer b using a cloak as kishimoto made a very clear point multiple times within naruto that the tailed beast are massively amplified in strength when working in conjuction with their jinchuriki as opposed to raging on their own
The only indication given as to why Bijuu are stronger with a jinchuriki host is a boost in intelligence, but we already know that Gyuuki is smart on his own so I don’t think it applies here.
@sageofthickcalves narrative implications are important too. It's one of the safer assumptions to make imo also what scaling does gyuuki have for battle IQ? I would understand this argument for Kurama, even then i would still argue his feats as a jinchuriki far outweigh any of his feats even as the full 9 tails regardless 8 tails doesn't stack up imo
@@maxmcdonald2714 What about the narrative implies Gyuuki is massively stronger with a host?
The Sasuke fight, as well as the entire war arc, show us multiple instances of Gyuuki communicating with Bee to help him fight more strategically
@sageofthickcalves the literal statement that tailed beasts are stronger within their jinchuriki, the narrative implications of the 3rd raikage suppressing a raging gyuuki and then killer b surpassing the 4th in the war arc
If you consider a raging tailed beast as 1 to 1 with a perfect jinchuriki then how does this effect Kurama scaling? If naruto is able to fight jubito with half of Kurama but jubito scales significantly above hashirama who defeated a full kurama with a majestic attire on top then does that indicate that a perfect jinchuriki is greater then the sum of its parts resulting in gyuuki raging not scaling to b?
@@maxmcdonald2714 The only statement we get in regards to a bijuu being stronger with a jinchuriki comes in regards to Isobu, and it’s strictly about bijuu having low intellect. So this a) could me a misconception from Deidara or b) could only apply to the dumb ones. Gyuuki is not dumb.
Kurama at full power is > KCM2 Naruto for sure. Bijuu Sage Mode (KCM2 + SM) is closer, and that’s the version of Naruto that fought Juubito, but both FP Kurama and bijuu Sage mode Naruto are below Juubito.
As far as Hashirama, his wood style is faster than he is, and it’s actually able to tag Juubito. Since wood style suppresses chakra, base Hashirama can be below the full power of Kurama physically, but his wood style would close that gap and give him an advantage once it touches him. No real contradictions here.
jonnin minato arguably clears-nearly clears
Aya solos
@@boilingman972 Minato was about to kill him if bee haden't been there
Look at the flick of the wrist💀😂
Minato was a prime definition of untapped potential due to dying so young.
Peole underestimate him due to not being flashy like Itachi, Madara or Naruto
Flying Rajin once marked, cannot be removed and he can teleport to you anytime, anywhere.
In your own village, on the toilet, in another dimension
Once marked, he could easily bypass defenses like Susanoo and he can redirect any attacks to anywhere, including a user that is marked. Madara big bad jutsus would be redirected to his own body
Also the fact outside of flying rajin, he is the fastest shinobi we seen in base speed besides Itachi, Sasuke and Madara
Another thing is originally he had the chance to live and split the Kurama Chakra with Naruto. If he chose that route and had another ten years of training he’d be in a different league of his own. He’d more comparable to White Mask Obito IMO.
He solos them all obviously. If the fastest guy there is no match for him, its over. Doesnt matter how powerful their combined attacks are if it's not gonna hit. Even a room full of Sharingan cant keep up with FTG.
28:55 "today we're going to do some speed scaling. how fast can you run?"
Brother can you make a video on kakashi about his sensei role many people in fandom says that he is the wrost sensei and favor sasuke and neglect naruto in chunnin exam what do you think about this??
I gotchu
Minato CLEARSS
The intro sounded like he was glazing
Naruto did NOT break through the lighting cloak. He re directed the attack, but the cloak was still up.
@@joshmitchell886 page 14 bottom right panel, you can see his rasengan damages A3 through the lightning cloak:
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10555000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-555
The Minato glaze is crazy 29:30
The kunai was already in the tree, he threw the one that was behind Ay
@@elhood4060 page 14 you can see that the kunai is given an onomatopoeia bubble that indicates a vibrational noise, as well as movements lines indicating that type of movement around the outside of the kunai:
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
So no, the kunai wasn’t already there. It landed at the same time he did, meaning he threw it.
@@sageofthickcalves First it wasn't like that in the anime I'm sure you already know.
Second even on this panel there's literally 4 kunai on that same tree, did he throw all 4 that moment? No, the kunai didn't even have impact like the ones from the previous page or Minato feet when he landed. And that bubble was probably Minato landing, the kunai had no speed line whatsoever like when he actually threw them.
@@elhood4060 1: The anime isn’t canon.
2: The kanji given there indicates a vibrating noise, usually associated with something metal. You can also zoom in and see the movement lines around the kunai in that panel, indicating vibration.
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
Join my discord server and debate me on it if you want, but this is clear as day.
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@@sageofthickcalves I'm sure the people who animated it have a better idea of what happened there,
I understand the scene is mostly vague and up for interpretation but him throwing 2 kunai is just a less likely interpretation, he had one kunai on his had when Ay charged him, he teleported to a kunai which was already as I said there's literally 4 sitting on the tree so i think the anime interpretation is most likely but we can agree to disagree it's alright great video I just don't see that version of Minato having an easy time with Ay especially when he most likely improved since they fought
@@elhood4060 Did the animators have a better understanding of Pain vs Kakashi when they had Kakashi snap a Rinnegan rod in half, despite that never happening in the manga? That’s a ridiculous argument.
Again, we literally see the sound bubble indication for the kunai landing on the tree AT THE SAME TIME that Minato does. Also, zoom in on that panel where he’s on the tree. Look by Ay. There’s no random floating kunai by him.
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
Just because you don’t like what Kishimoto was trying to convey, doesn’t mean that you or the Naruto animators have the correct interpretation. It’s VERY clear that Minato lands on the tree at the same time as the kunai, and it’s also clear that there’s no floating kunai by Ay’s shoulder.
I just realized something so Kushina didn't fight neither did Hashiramas wife so why was her losing the tailed beasts such a big issue
Direspectful Virtue is best virtue, chinny chin chin had me FOAMING. This was a banger Video and collab
edit: also yes plz to sasuke vs minato form by form
“what if Minato was a bad guy?”
*terrorist
ftg is not a hax compared to izanagi or particle style this fandom is delusional i agree minato is faster than ay but that amp gets closed because ohnki is there he can amp all characters stats if their amp at the stats at the begging of the match can jonnin minato wins i doubt it
I FUCKING APOLOGIZE??? Since when was being a strong as Mifune a bad thing? Him and Hanzo are relative no? And we already got Hanzo smacking up early sannin.. all three of them.. at that point in the series, being relative to someone with that kind of feat is still impressive and def not something 3-tomoe sharingan can do😭 Deidara almost barbecued this little twink like wym😭😭😭😭😭
Im still confident minato can teleport susanoo. Fight me. Its literally just chakra. If he can teleport a biju bomb, why not a susanoo
@@LuciferArc1 w
Calling it now yellow flash solos
Talk less like a robot in ur videos!
@@xehther dawg this is just how I talk 💀
Do we know if Danzo already has a flying thunder god seal because even if Minato didn't make it, he still can teleport to it
Not sure. I wouldn’t think so tbh
I wanna see that video referenced st 25:20 ish
video a dub but audio is a little low
The scaling for 'a' was silly. We directly have the third raikage stated to be the strongest raikage in history.
You ignored bee showing that he surpassed a, yet also didn't receive the title of a suddenly.
You can't scale jounin ay relative to him, or anywhere close.
Base bee > v1 A
Base bee also tanked an attack from 'full power a'
v2 'a' 'might' be relative to base bee, but nothing indicates he's on the level of v1 bee, let alone gyuki.
Its pretty clear a is just what they call the guy who is 'next up' and a hereditary title for the strongest of that generation/group.
Yo can you make a Sakura video and more boruto videos
I kind of think Onhoki would very much want to kill minato because he is the man who killed 50 iwa nin in the third warn1000 in the anime
29:30 I thought minato flicked the kunai up and behind Ayys shoulder while simultaneously ftg to an previous thrown kunai. ?
@@cattusstroffic1243 Page 14, you can see Ay behind Minato when he’s on the tree. There’s no Kunai floating by him like there is in the anime.
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10542000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-542
@sageofthickcalves I'm seeing the kunai floating by Ayys shoulder and no speed lines on the kunai in any of those frames. But also, no rotation lines on the "floating kunai." Not tryna be a try hard here lmao.
@@cattusstroffic1243 there aren’t speed lines, or even impact markers, on the kunai that lands on the tree either. All we get is “sprong”. Also, Minato only has one kunai in his hand there. So either, he reached in his back pocket with his left hand, threw a kunai up into the air, then threw the kunai in his right pocket to the tree, and teleported back to the first kunai ALL BEFORE Ay could move like 2 inches, or he threw the kunai in his right hand to the tree, teleported, threw it back, and teleported ALL BEFORE Ay could move like 2 inches. There’s no other explanation here. I’d say that the second is more likely because a) we don’t see another kunai for him to toss up prior to tossing the one in his right hand and b) we don’t see a floating kunai in frame when Minato is on the tree. But either way, Minato would have had to have physically perception blitzed Ay there TWICE.
I can’t put minato equal or over 3rd raikage. Honestly nothing minato has can damage 3rd raikage other than kcm minato. As well cannot see 4th raikage being over 3rd. Yes 4th is faster but 3rd is definitely stronger and more durable.
@@tylera1352 why
This isn’t even a fight Minato dominates 5 kage summit did yall even mentioned his sealing abilities?
@@MrJAMESTAKER yeah I said he could seal away Danzo’s sharingan
Hokage Kakashi vs 5 kage...
@@KAKASHI-nx3jp Kakashi slaughters
@@sageofthickcalves ...yo you're not like any other youtuber, really whenever I asked you anything you always respond to my question as fast as shinra . Thank you bro..... Big fan..
@@KAKASHI-nx3jp I appreciate the love bro! I try to engage as much as I can 🙏🏼
@@sageofthickcalves ❤️🔥.
i have a question so like if minato was this strong why didnt he just rasengan kurama a few times and win
@@PitouYT he used rasengan against Kurama once and stalemated his bijuu bomb in Kushina’s mental scape during the One Shot manga. If you’re referring to the attack on Konoha, he didn’t want to kill Kurama because when bijuu die they reincarnate at a random place. He didn’t want that power to fall into the hands of another village, so sealing Kurama was the best option
@@sageofthickcalves no i mean make him faint then seal him into yourself and your baby without having to die thx for responding btw you are the goat
@@PitouYT I appreciate you!
Yeah I’m just not sure tailed beasts can be KOd. I think they just have to be killed or subdued via restraining or sealing. Even with that, he’s pretty fatigued by that point, and couldn’t handle the full chakra of Kurama by himself. So the only sealing technique in his arsenal that could split Kurama in two parts and seal both parts away way the RDS
@@sageofthickcalves um i have a video idea kid kakashi versus the konoha jonin from part one of naruto
@@PitouYT bet
Regardless of anything minato has to take Tsunade out first because she is strong and her healing abilities mean she could keep all the waste man alive.
Combat ways Tsunade and the raikage are minato biggest threat and even still you would win but let's see what the video says.😂😂
Tsunade wasn’t at the 5KS
Sasuke vs Minato is a great idea if you don't include Loko and his awful scaling.
Naruto's resessgon didn't go through his the 3rds cloak
@@tigrisbrewster7908 Before Naruto hits A3 with the rasengan, there are no cracks on his elbow. We then see there are cracks on his elbow as the rasengan lands. Page 14 I believe:
comick.io/comic/naruto/648AL-chapter-555-en
Pain a better puppeteer ninja than kankurou
The Minato glazing and abc scaling is insane
@@blackxel6414 what about it is wrong?
@@sageofthickcalves Not too sure I agree about 4th Raikage being superior to the 3rd, him being named Ay doesn’t mean he surpassed his predecessor yet, as someone as to be groomed to take the mantle after the current Kage passes on. Also, we’ve seen Bee overpower V1 4th Raikage during the war.
That said, I personally have heavy reservation about Minato’s AP, it’s never portrayed that’s what made him dangerous.
@@blackxel6414 The title of “Raikage ‘A’” is given to the strongest person in the Cloud. He has the title of A and is stated to be a candidate for Raikage WHILE A3 is alive. This means he MUST be on a similar tier.
As far as AP, I demonstrated why his rasengan just has better feats than even SM Naruto, who was able to damage A3 through his lightning cloak
@@sageofthickcalves Similar tier yeah. Again, a candidate must be chosen and he was clearly the strongest of the shinobi in the village, hence why he gets the title A.
SM Naruto didn’t damage A3, he used his Rasengan to get him to hurt himself. The whole point of the fight was that only A3’s “spear” could hurt his “shield”.
@@blackxel6414 page 14 you can see Naruto’s rasengan causes cracks on A3’s elbow:
www.mangapill.com/chapters/3070-10555000/naruto-digital-colored-comics-chapter-555
We know this is from the rasengan because these marks aren’t there before, and that’s what it looks like when edos begin taking damage
might be just me but volume hella low
Sounds ok to me
i don't think ay 4 stronger than ay 3
Minato stalemates with a and b multiple times
"so minato never lost" but he never won either. You can't take this to mean he's above them because he is factually at their level. It's a draw. There is also no proof minato was holding back every time against the duo. One time where he uses a kunai doesn't really mean anything. He may not have known about the durability amp of the lightning armor. Bee mentions after his fight with sasuke 2 things. 1. No one but A has every dodged his v1 charge before, including minato so either minato was hit by it or bee never had to use it 2. Fresh MS sasuke was the strongest dude he's ever fought.
Jonin minato is below ms sasuke in the eyes of Bee who is basically an authority on jonin minato's abilities as they fought many times and stalemated every time.
Furthermore, The title of A being the strongest is not the best indicator. For one, we don't know when the third raikage dies so A4 having that title could be an indication that the 3rd has already died and that A4 was granted the title by default, not by surpassing his father. In the scan where it says they fought many times it even calls the A the fourth raikage so it seems he was raikage already. Secondly, Even after Killer bee and darui surpass A they dont change their names so its a not a definitive point.
Don't bother with the minato vs sasuke video. You wont have sasuke winning a single fight until EMS and even then you'll argue KCM minato could draw or whatever and then rinnegan sasukes no diffs from there. Saved you the production time
1: Minato blitzes Ay twice in that encounter and uses a kunai instead of his rasengan. He was holding back and obviously not trying to kill them. If you disagree with this, explain why he didn’t use the rasengan.
2: Bee says MS Sasuke is “one of the two toughest opponents I’ve fought”. What you’re using is a mistranslation that’s been debunked for a while.
3. We directly see Ay being called Ay while the 3rd is still alive, when Bee is still a child.
4: Ay was not the Raikage when they fought in the war 💀 Minato says “NEXT TIME we fight, we may be doing it as kage”.
5: Bee doesn’t surpass Ay. Darui just broke the tradition.
If you’re gonna come and try to give corrections with your whole chest out, make sure you know your stuff first.
@@sageofthickcalves
1. I already said, he may not have been aware of the durability amp, it was their first fight. There is no reason to hold back as minato is known for killing shinobi to the point that there are flee on sight orders. Him not using the rasengan doesnt mean much as Bee didnt use the v1 cloak according to his statement in his sasuke fight. Bee is also aware of the rasengan and its existence as his flashback has minato holding a rasengan so minato used it at some point and Ay and Bee still didnt die. Your argument can be flipped right back and say bee was holding back on minato. Because if someone not using X jutsu MUST mean theyre holding back then there you go. Bee was holding back on minato because he didnt go full v2 or full biju.
2. Stays consistent with minato being below PA sage naruto. MS sasuke is in the same tier as if not stronger than minato. Fukasaku and bee put MS sasuke and sage mode naruto at above minato and sage mode naruto says him and sasuke would stalemate if they fought. Authors intent being Sage naruto =~= MS sasuke > Minato. Had gaara not saved the raikage fresh MS sasuke would've done more to hurt the raiakge than mianto did in years.
The portrayal is consistent, unless of course you think fukasaku and bee were lying..to themselves...in their thoughts....for reasons.
Also not for nothing but Viz IS the official translation.
3. Okay simple flaw in your logic. How can there be two ays? If the title always means the strongest then why does A3 keep the title while A4 is being called A in the 3rd war?. Why does A4 not change his name to something else when Bee and darui surpass him?
4. Oh so there are confirmed two Ays? So there are two "strongest shinobi in the cloud" A4 surpasses A3 but A3 still has the title of A so is the strongest? This is proof the value of the "title of A" isn't worth much.
There can only be one "the strongest" refer to problem 3 above.
5. Bee doesnt surpass ay? You on crack.
It was already arguable BEFORE Bee gained the samehada. After that in addition to his WA feats he eclipses Ay. Samehada rips through raiton and bee kills easily. Bee certainly surpassed Ay in the Warc arc. Why would darui break tradition? Shouldn't the infallible One-off DB statement apply to him too?
Your argument is just loose. You do this in multiple videos where you get an inch and take a mile. A/b combo and minato fight to the point that bee and minato will die in a mutual strike (i.e. ay left standing alive) and that somehow means minato is superior to the duo in contrast to the repeated statements and shown fights where they stalemate? Then, you take the same minato (young and jonin) and have him superior to a guy the 4th databook says "speed not inferior to that of the yellow flash". So jonin minato CAN'T blitz A4 because is is just as fast as him. It doesn't even mention 4th hokage, it specifically says yellow flash.
I can call you on shit because i know my stuff and recognize wank when I see it.
This is nothing but a glaze video based on a single statement that is dubious at best and outright wrong more often than not.
Bee mentoining how everyone but AY has dodged his v1 simply means he didn't use it or did not have it at the time as that same Minato is even in speed with that same AY so jonnin Minato -ay >V1 Bee😭. "fresh ms" sasuke suposdley being the strongest person bee fought very well could have meaning to amaterasu which actually makes sense as bee was about to die which makes even more sense as all fresh ms Sasuke actually ever did apart from that was go reltive to bee.. which means u are arguing that nobody has fought relative to bee which woudnt include minato since minato was an AY rival at the time who has 3 diff statments above bee until the war arc and had to fight bee and ay as a duo. The same AY who was blitzing-badly out speeding an ms Sasuke who was stated to surpass curse mark 2 hebi Sasuke which means he wasn't as strong or fast during the bee fight so jonnin minato > curse mark 2 hebi Sasuke > bee fight sasuke. So in conclusion ms sasuke being the toughest opponent bee fought doesn't matter as jonnin Minato scales above bee himself via being an ay rival along with fighting in a 2v1 against both AY and Bee along with just outright being above bee fight sasuke lmao
@@ronsmith9027 1 prove fugasaku would have any idea of how strong Mianto is when he didn't even master sage mode or let alone fight in front of fugasaku like naruto did with pain as his circumstances forced naruto to fight pain and as a result fugasaku to bear witness. 2 minato already precption blitzed kurama twice who reacted to and even tagged sm naruto hokage Minato > kurama perception > sm naruto, 3 teenage obito was already stated above sage naruto (as he explicitly needed kcm1-2 to fight him via authors intent) who is a shown and stated minato victim so Hokage minato > obtio > sm naruto. 3 As Naruto fights pain he still believes he hasn't surpassed mianto right before he lands the final rasengan as this is in a flashback to future tense statments like naruto finding the answer for hatred among shinobi all of which he hasn't done (YET) so you by definition don't understand Narutos journey if u believe sage Naruto "surpaased" hokage Minato in the pain arc as he is confirmed flatout not to be. 4 minato has 2 sepreate statments above itachi who scales to ems sasuke who via authors intent would equal sage naruto so much so as they both agree and believe they would die if they fought. Hokage Minato > itachi - ems Sasuke >ms Sasuke - sm Naruto. minato has like 2 more blitz arguments but thats already a lot (sorry that its a lot but that sm naruto > minato argument is as bad as itachi > jiraya 😭)
@@ronsmith9027 1: Minato knows of the 3rd Raikage and his abilities. He’d know that a kunai wouldn’t do the job. Also, holding back for the sake of building a good diplomatic relationship with the future Raikage makes sense for Minato’s character. As far as Bee, Ay literally told him to stay out of it, and then proceeded to get perception blitzed by Minato twice before he could move like 2 inches. Even then, Bee is directly stated and shown to be weaker than Ay at that point. With full transformation Gyuuki being Bee’s strongest combat form, and A4 being relative to A3, putting him above that, the V1 and V2 jinchuriki cloaks would’ve been useless. So your counter doesn’t work. Again, they fought multiple times and we have evidence for Ay wanting to kill him, but no evidence for Minato wanting to kill Ay, as we actually see the opposite demonstrated.
2: Minato is never stated to be below PA SM Naruto. That statement is either in reference to SM mastery or the will of fire. The first interpretation works because we actually don’t know if Naruto is STRONGER than SM Jiraiya or not, so to assert he’s stronger than Minato from that statement is disingenuous. Minato is also directly comparable to a stronger form of Naruto in KCM2. The second interpretation works because the birthday profile guides says that Tsunade saw the “shadows of the will of fire at his back” in regards to that moment. The idea that Minato, who’s above the nine tails, and a version of Hiruzen who was confident he could contain the nine tails by himself, is below PA SM Naruto is ridiculously inconsistent.
3: There can be two Ay’s if they’re relative. Imagine there’s an IQ test given to every American and the person with the highest IQ gets the title of “President, Smartest American”. If person A gets a score of 210 and gets elected, then two months later person B ALSO gets a score of 210, they wouldn’t have usurped person A in score, so they wouldn’t take the position of Raikage, BUT there WOULD BE TWO people with the title of “Smartest American”. There are no flaws in this logic. To assume two shinobi cannot be the same strength is weird.
4: Dismantled this argument in point 3
5: Prove Bee surpassed Ay. The databook 4 statement covers up to chapter 691 I believe. That’s after the end of the war, but before the conclusion of the FV fight. Since we have an author statement saying Ay has the greatest combat ability in the Cloud at that point, the onus is on you to prove Kishimoto is wrong. As far as Darui breaking tradition, he doesn’t get elected Raikage until WAY after the point where DB4 covers, so no that statement wouldn’t apply to him. He’s also just outright shown to be disrespectful of traditions, so it’s consistent for his character.
6: Minato would not have died in a mutual strike there. He can simply activate FTG, AND he’s got better combat speed feats than Bee, since his kunai throw perception blitzed Ay.
7: The “speed not inferior to the Yellow Flash” is a) likely in reference to jonin Minato, and b) likely in reference to physical movement speed, not necessarily striking or reaction speed. Minato’s FTG is inherently faster than Ay because it’s instantaneous travel. So it must be in reference to something else.
Your claims were debunked easily my guy. If you wanna talk about it more, head over to my discord server. Link: discord.gg/5D9DFmM7
jonnin minato loses against all 5 kage if its ohnki and ay they would win
As a watcher I recommend that the videos should be lower in time. 40 min is too much even tho i liked the content. 25-30 would be it imo