YES! LOVE! Keep it comin! I have been a fistweaver stan FOREVER and just recently saw some traction on the caster style and WOW its so crazy, ha. So MUCH healing, and its less stressful haha -- thanks and looking forward to more
This is a great build for pugging in. I like your very sensible point that pugs don't know you, they don't necessarily trust you so slam them with healing, make them feel comfortable, okay so going above 11s or 12s this doesn't hit the high notes of damage but you're not going to be accused of not healing enough and honestly, it makes people happy to feel safe. If you are pugging higher than 12s then good luck to you. :p
Great video! As I am only level 71 at the moment, I’ll use this build for the low level dungeons to get used to this healing style and add in ramping procedures as I become more accustomed to this.
im so sad that druids dont have options for dmg like this, but great video. We have a guy that runs mistweaving in our M+ group that is really put off by fist weaving. Some of our other guys are jokingly pressuring him into it, but he really doesnt like the melee playstyle and gets clapped by melee mechanics that he's not familiar with. 100% gonna show him this video. he'll probably see my comment, hi Pink
I've been a casting MW since MOP. My favorite gasket between my 4 characters. That said, I stack Crit and Mastery. Haste is the last focus for me and my heals are insane.
Hey, this build is not particularly good in raid outside of very niche circumstances. The popular lotus infusion/pool of mists build does way better overall raid hps. That being said, in that popular build you can swap pool of mists for peer into peace for quicker spot healing on bosses like mythic kyveza as I did in this log here (www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2LG6naYD91RpHkQN#fight=55&type=summary&source=16). this raid overall tho is very unchallenging for healers and most of the bosses just need steady hps, so even tho peer into peace gets your spot healing out quicker, it will still do less healing overall.
This video was originally 45 minutes, and had both the beginner & build-specific stuff in one. But I thought that was too long. Will try to make the beginner version in a timely manner but these take ages to get what I'm saying right. If you have any questions or criticism for this build let me know. I wanted to make this video at the beginning of November but I had to digest a few hundred more keys across live/tourney realm to really settle on this build. Ran it through 15 & 16 Necrotic Wake on TR earlier in the month and had no issues so I figured it was good enough to deploy the guide.
I’ve done one +13 and was wondering why this isn’t playing in higher pugs. I don’t feel like chiji is too low hps on any fight yet though, and usually deaths are caused by mishaps or a 1-shot or 2-shot. But if you use your Yulon build and overheal a lot, maybe you’d be able to avoid the 2-shots in +12 and above. I think it’s a fresh update to a game where the meta is set and nothing game changing is happening until S2
Finally, i thought i was the only one that actually was using a monk as a ranged healer. What stats do you try to even go for? There are so few ranged monks healing i can't find much info.
Stats are unchanged since it’s technically the same spells that are doing the healing, we’re just sorta changing the delivery method. Haste > Crit >> Vers/Mas. I’m working on a more basic video for the build that’ll talk about gear and such
Haste is king, crit is very good. All the embellishments are mediocre, I run ascension with the writhing armor binding. Trinkets I have no idea I change my trinkets like every 5 minutes. That being said tho, all the popular guides are in agreement about gear/stats so you can check any of em tbh, healing is very feelsycraft tho so don’t be afraid to experiment. The only unique opinion I have about gear is that the build feels best to me when I have minimum 30% haste 30% crit with haste flask & food. More haste felt to me like a waste and less haste makes you have to play around yulon’s haste which is super annoying.
@@notSachy BRO omg I cant believe I just timed a +13 for the first time with this build. I did more healing and better mana consumption. I used to do the sheilun's gift build but this is way way better.
I didn't cover it because every single mistweaver spec has unchanged stat priority. however I'll talk about this in the more basic video. you'd ideally like to be at ~30% haste and ~30% crit while you have flask/food. trinkets don't matter no trinket combo made much of a difference imo. I run the ovinax vaccine trinket from mythic and then my last trinket spot has been a myriad of random stuff. TL;DR just get anything that has haste/crit. stats/consumables/trinkets, who cares, just make sure it gives you haste and/or crit (main stat is obviously also always good)
Rushing wind kick is not treated like RSK by the talents in that tree (who knows why) and also the loss of double tiger palm/blackout kick cleave (cuz you dont have stomp) would mean you can't apply the damaging harmony dot fast enough. and you'd also lose overwhelming force's damage contribution for the same reasons. and all of that together would mean you'd be playing heal-only MoH which is omega bad compared to conduit. I think MoH is explicitly meant for faeline stomp/ancient teachings builds, or for damage parsing by taking stomp + wind kick. so how well would it work? very poorly in my experience. but if you can make it work pls report back
This, and other hybrid builds like it, are super fun to play around with but not viable in higher level Keys. I tested a build similar to this with several guild groups that routinely run in the +10 range. We started at 4s where we just nuked down mobs. Once you start pushing higher (also depending on affixes) you will put out a huge amount of healing (overhealing) but if you get in the hole you are not going to be able to keep up with the damage output. With a similar build I was pushing 500-600k DPS and 600kHPS with high burst but with the lack of pre healing into known damage output you are a sitting duck. I've been Main Mistweaver for several years. Healing is all I do. Great work on the Vid though.
Appreciate the take, and I'm inclined to agree. My goal with this build tho was to try to find a fistweaving-alternate that people could at least use to break into 11s/12s, and I think while pretty much any build can do that, this build does meet that goal and is quite fun. I haven't had issue on tourney realm trying to play it into 14s and to be honest if 15 is the limit of this build I'm more than happy with that. Ty for watching, cheers!
Maybe if they ever fix Heart of the Jade Serpent, but it’s been ‘bugged’ for 2 months at this point I’m almost sure the tooltip is just made up. But also with conduit + Yulon + revival, sheilun isn’t needed to cover any timing, it’s like 2 vivifys worth of healing.
@smn98498h on that boss the sprays are relatively infrequent and that’s all you have to heal for, then just make sure people are topped before the poison wave/web drops. Go heavy on applying enveloping mist, use conduit to cover one spray, and use revival if you mess up. Yulon is there just for mana management on that boss. Although dawnbreaker is actually a rlly good dungeon for long duration Yulon. But just remember, on last boss you don’t have to heal the tank and you don’t have to heal yourself. Your own defensive are enough to line up with every damage event. So you should only have the EnvMist 3 people and then vivify between them. You even have cocoon to save if you can’t top someone before the web drop overlap with poison spray in the last phase.
Just double checked, and it works on a fresh install of the game as well as my main install. Try disabling every addon besides Cell, and importing it again
YES! LOVE! Keep it comin! I have been a fistweaver stan FOREVER and just recently saw some traction on the caster style and WOW its so crazy, ha. So MUCH healing, and its less stressful haha -- thanks and looking forward to more
Thanks for the build! Mistweaver has such a variety, i cant decide what to play.
Dude loving this build, can’t wait to get home from work to try it in 12s and 13s
This is a great build for pugging in. I like your very sensible point that pugs don't know you, they don't necessarily trust you so slam them with healing, make them feel comfortable, okay so going above 11s or 12s this doesn't hit the high notes of damage but you're not going to be accused of not healing enough and honestly, it makes people happy to feel safe. If you are pugging higher than 12s then good luck to you. :p
this build is awesome! thank you so much, you could heal almost all pug group no matter what
Great video! As I am only level 71 at the moment, I’ll use this build for the low level dungeons to get used to this healing style and add in ramping procedures as I become more accustomed to this.
im so sad that druids dont have options for dmg like this, but great video. We have a guy that runs mistweaving in our M+ group that is really put off by fist weaving. Some of our other guys are jokingly pressuring him into it, but he really doesnt like the melee playstyle and gets clapped by melee mechanics that he's not familiar with. 100% gonna show him this video. he'll probably see my comment, hi Pink
Great video, I'm going to give it a try.
super useful! u did a great job explaining the build. ty ty
Thank you. This video makes me want to play mistweaver.
Awesome vid. Ive been looking for a healer that id genuinely like to play. Was thinking of a lightsmith paladin but this looks fun. Thank you.
Great guide, I'll have to try it out right away!
One question: Does the Elusive Mists buff also count for the Soothing Mist from our Jade Statue?
Looking forward to your beginning Mistweaver guide to piggy back off of this one.
Working on it!
I've been a casting MW since MOP. My favorite gasket between my 4 characters. That said, I stack Crit and Mastery. Haste is the last focus for me and my heals are insane.
Thanks man! Love that Mistweaver has so many options to choose from. Does this build work for raid as well?
Hey, this build is not particularly good in raid outside of very niche circumstances. The popular lotus infusion/pool of mists build does way better overall raid hps. That being said, in that popular build you can swap pool of mists for peer into peace for quicker spot healing on bosses like mythic kyveza as I did in this log here (www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2LG6naYD91RpHkQN#fight=55&type=summary&source=16). this raid overall tho is very unchallenging for healers and most of the bosses just need steady hps, so even tho peer into peace gets your spot healing out quicker, it will still do less healing overall.
i loved this guide! such a fun build. Earned yourself a sub :) Keep it up!
Tried it. Loved it. Subbed.
Ohh, sounds very interesting. Although I generally like melee, it's too restrictive as a healer sometimes. Will try this out today! :)
This video was originally 45 minutes, and had both the beginner & build-specific stuff in one. But I thought that was too long. Will try to make the beginner version in a timely manner but these take ages to get what I'm saying right.
If you have any questions or criticism for this build let me know. I wanted to make this video at the beginning of November but I had to digest a few hundred more keys across live/tourney realm to really settle on this build. Ran it through 15 & 16 Necrotic Wake on TR earlier in the month and had no issues so I figured it was good enough to deploy the guide.
I’ve done one +13 and was wondering why this isn’t playing in higher pugs. I don’t feel like chiji is too low hps on any fight yet though, and usually deaths are caused by mishaps or a 1-shot or 2-shot.
But if you use your Yulon build and overheal a lot, maybe you’d be able to avoid the 2-shots in +12 and above.
I think it’s a fresh update to a game where the meta is set and nothing game changing is happening until S2
Heyy can you make a guide for raids next?? :)
Finally, i thought i was the only one that actually was using a monk as a ranged healer. What stats do you try to even go for? There are so few ranged monks healing i can't find much info.
Stats are unchanged since it’s technically the same spells that are doing the healing, we’re just sorta changing the delivery method. Haste > Crit >> Vers/Mas. I’m working on a more basic video for the build that’ll talk about gear and such
Looks interesting. I enjoy fistweaving but some encounters are not really healable with it (ahoy anubikkaj). I'll give this a try.
Finnnnallly. Someone who gets it
good alternative build but if you wanna use full potential of mistweaver you have to play fistweaving for sure👍🏻
thank you so much
Thank you for this bro, i dont see a lot of caster mistweaver.
what trinkets, embelishment and stats should we prioritize?
Haste is king, crit is very good. All the embellishments are mediocre, I run ascension with the writhing armor binding. Trinkets I have no idea I change my trinkets like every 5 minutes. That being said tho, all the popular guides are in agreement about gear/stats so you can check any of em tbh, healing is very feelsycraft tho so don’t be afraid to experiment.
The only unique opinion I have about gear is that the build feels best to me when I have minimum 30% haste 30% crit with haste flask & food. More haste felt to me like a waste and less haste makes you have to play around yulon’s haste which is super annoying.
@@notSachy BRO omg I cant believe I just timed a +13 for the first time with this build. I did more healing and better mana consumption. I used to do the sheilun's gift build but this is way way better.
hell yea! I had faith that this build would land perfectly with anyone who vibed with the logic of it, so really happy you found some success :D
@notSachy do you have a talent build for raid?
Stat priority? Bis trinkets?
I didn't cover it because every single mistweaver spec has unchanged stat priority. however I'll talk about this in the more basic video. you'd ideally like to be at ~30% haste and ~30% crit while you have flask/food. trinkets don't matter no trinket combo made much of a difference imo. I run the ovinax vaccine trinket from mythic and then my last trinket spot has been a myriad of random stuff.
TL;DR just get anything that has haste/crit. stats/consumables/trinkets, who cares, just make sure it gives you haste and/or crit (main stat is obviously also always good)
How well would this work with MoH Hero tree?
Rushing wind kick is not treated like RSK by the talents in that tree (who knows why) and also the loss of double tiger palm/blackout kick cleave (cuz you dont have stomp) would mean you can't apply the damaging harmony dot fast enough. and you'd also lose overwhelming force's damage contribution for the same reasons. and all of that together would mean you'd be playing heal-only MoH which is omega bad compared to conduit. I think MoH is explicitly meant for faeline stomp/ancient teachings builds, or for damage parsing by taking stomp + wind kick.
so how well would it work? very poorly in my experience. but if you can make it work pls report back
This, and other hybrid builds like it, are super fun to play around with but not viable in higher level Keys. I tested a build similar to this with several guild groups that routinely run in the +10 range. We started at 4s where we just nuked down mobs. Once you start pushing higher (also depending on affixes) you will put out a huge amount of healing (overhealing) but if you get in the hole you are not going to be able to keep up with the damage output.
With a similar build I was pushing 500-600k DPS and 600kHPS with high burst but with the lack of pre healing into known damage output you are a sitting duck.
I've been Main Mistweaver for several years. Healing is all I do.
Great work on the Vid though.
Appreciate the take, and I'm inclined to agree. My goal with this build tho was to try to find a fistweaving-alternate that people could at least use to break into 11s/12s, and I think while pretty much any build can do that, this build does meet that goal and is quite fun. I haven't had issue on tourney realm trying to play it into 14s and to be honest if 15 is the limit of this build I'm more than happy with that. Ty for watching, cheers!
not using sheilons is crazy right?
Maybe if they ever fix Heart of the Jade Serpent, but it’s been ‘bugged’ for 2 months at this point I’m almost sure the tooltip is just made up. But also with conduit + Yulon + revival, sheilun isn’t needed to cover any timing, it’s like 2 vivifys worth of healing.
@@notSachy i tried this build and im having trouble with AOE healing without CDS or vivify procs up. like on dawn last boss
@smn98498h on that boss the sprays are relatively infrequent and that’s all you have to heal for, then just make sure people are topped before the poison wave/web drops. Go heavy on applying enveloping mist, use conduit to cover one spray, and use revival if you mess up. Yulon is there just for mana management on that boss. Although dawnbreaker is actually a rlly good dungeon for long duration Yulon. But just remember, on last boss you don’t have to heal the tank and you don’t have to heal yourself. Your own defensive are enough to line up with every damage event. So you should only have the EnvMist 3 people and then vivify between them. You even have cocoon to save if you can’t top someone before the web drop overlap with poison spray in the last phase.
your cell Profile dosnt work :(
Just double checked, and it works on a fresh install of the game as well as my main install. Try disabling every addon besides Cell, and importing it again
@@notSachy nope. Import: Error.
Same on an second PC
did you import on about tab?
ok i've deleted the paste link, and reuploaded, when you get a moment lmk if it works.
link in description and here:
controlc.com/33cab819
@@notSachy works now - TY
cell profile? :)
In the description 😁
Thank you so much not a big fan of fistweaving
Cool in theory but not actually viable at the higher end
Probably correct, what key levels are defined as the higher end tho?
Not correct
depends on what you mean by higher end. Healer dps is often negligible if you aren't pushing past +13 or +14.