Great video man, one thing that’s often overlooked is the small external transmission filter of these gear boxes. I’m not sure where it’s located in the Honda/Acura trucks. But in the V6 sedans (TL or V6 Accords) is usually right below the battery.
@@BCautosolutions I just got a Pilot with 105,000 drives good with no issues should I perform this service the trans fluid is not pink the carfax doesn't show any Trans service?
@@DM-vl6kl You need to do it every 30k miles according to Honda if you have the 6 speed trans. From experience with a 2019 Honda Pilot, I'm having to do drain and fill every 20k miles. But I don't do the 3 drain and fills like this guy. If I don't do it every 20k miles the Shudder/Judder is definitely noticeable and annoying. Keep an eye out for the sudden unintended acceleration. Happened to me once. I applied the brakes and was able to stop it from continuing. I would recommend to sell it if you are able. Honda quality is crap and the dealership told me they couldn't duplicate the issue which is a total lie.
@@BCautosolutions I am planning to get an Honda Pilot Touring Pre certified from Honda. Here in the middle east it is with the Traditional shifter and not the buttons. So it should be a 6 Speed Auto and not 9 speed. From the service history , i can see that Differential Fluid was changed at 30K KMs / 18K Miles and 60K KMs / 36K miles. - Considering the climate in the middle east should we change the differential fluid every 10K KMs or 6K miles? - Apart from this is the 6 speed automatic reliable even in hot climates? - How less fuel efficient is 6 speed automatic compared to 9 speed automatic? In the vehicle history is see “(S) DIFF OIL HONDA-DPS-F (1L)” hope i am looking at right item and this Is the recommended type of oil..
Users should try adding Lubegard additive to their transmission when changing the fluid. I have used it in my Odysseys for 22 years and never had any sort of trouble with them. I’m fact, the shift quality of my ‘14 with 6-speed is nearly imperceptible. No trace of shudder, ever. I have done fluid changes around 15K most of that time and NEVER seen anything but nice pink/ red fluid come out, which has to do with the friction during the shudder. conditions. Try Lubegard additives also in power steering (different product) and the pump and system will live longer.
Great video -- super helpful instruction. One question: I have a 2014 Odyssey and have read a range of opinions on how and when to test the fullness of the transmission fluid reservoir during the fluid change. Some say you need to drive the vehicle and make sure the trans fluid is warmed up before checking the dipstick and that warm fluid measures differently. Others say you can test cold. What's your understanding? And what mark on the dipstick do you interpret to mean a full reservoir? Thanks!
@@BCautosolutions Thanks for the tip. The dealer fixed it under warranty last week. They triple flushed the fluid since at some point the software was updated. It was covered under service bulletin 17-025 and 17-026. Problem has gone away!
Thanks for the video. I just dropped off my 2016 Odyssey, Just a over 76k, I see service bulletin 17-043 says its covered under warranty for 8 years or 80k miles which ever comes first. Crossing my fingers
Hey man! Thanks for all the great info! We also own an 06 Accord 4Cylinder and the car has 185K miles. The last time transmission showing serviced was at 147K miles 3 years ago. The transmission feels flawless by the way. Wats your opinion on servicing the transmission at this mileage? Also servicing would entail only drain and refill correct? Thank you!
Hey I appreciate the kind words. Yes, if there’s no shifting issues and the service interval hasn’t been that far apart, id be ok with doing a drain and fill.
@@BCautosolutions thanks for this advice! Also, do you know if this vehicle has the transmission filter / strainer under the hood? If so does it need to be changed out too!?
My 2017 ridgeline stutters... going to take it in to Honda with the TSB associated with this issue. The TSB lists the labor as being part of the 80k mile or 8 yr warranty. Does that mean the labor will be included if I meet that criteria?
My ‘17 ridgeline 77tho kms was maintained by dealership, now waiting on new transmission and transfer case for 7 months. Honda canada has no idea when the will get these parts. So now it just sits at dealership. So disappointed
It’s really only a matter of doing the fluid as needed vs strictly every 30k or so. Problem is most techs are lazy abs don’t bother looking at fluid conditions (assuming you svc it at a dealer)
2020 Pilot 6speed did 3X drain and refill drives so much better now but dipstick is right at the low mark even though I put in 3 and 3/4 quarts. Do I add some more to bring it to Hot level? Thanks for the video very helpful!
Hey men I recently did this to my 2015 accord touring v6 with the 6 speed auto I only did one flush and it was good a like a month and went right back to hard shifting and the transmission is all over the place I plan on doing the 3 times flush hopefully it will fix the problem for longer also what is a PCM update?
Just found your channel and subscribed after watching a couple of your videos. I had the judder on my 2017 Ridgeline. Changed the fluid and fixed the issue. 5 months later started getting a hard shift when up shifting to second gear. It wouldn’t do it all the time until it finally gave me a P0776 code. Dealer changed the solenoid unit but it didn’t fix the issue. The said that my next fix might be a new transmission. Is this correct fix for this? Hope you got the time to answer this. It can be an expensive repair if not needed.
@@rotaxrider I’m out of the country, I’ll be back in 1 week and can dig into that code a bit. If you can, please leave another comment in a week so I can see it and remember to look. Thanks for subscribing
@@rotaxrider ok so the code is for a solenoid on the valve body. first step is drain fluid and check for metal debri (not to be confused with normal clutch debri found on drain plug). If there is debri, needs a trans. If there are no metal fragments I would change the fluid 2-3 times decoding on condition and color, reset code, see how it goes. If it ends up returning may need the valve body or a full trans replacement. The valve body is pita and expensive to change.
@@BCautosolutions Thanks for your time and reply. I’m the original owner and fluid wax always changed at recommended intervals. Fluid level was always double checked following Honda’s procedure to make sure it was at full mark. I got the valve body replaced by a Honda dealer and he did check for metal filings when he drained the oil and none were found. He didn’t do a 3 drain and fill just the usual 1 and it the fluid that he did drain had a hint of burnt fluid to it. Following his test procedure from Honda when checked Control Solenoid Valve B his test was showing that it was good and passed his test. He ended up replacing the whole valve assembly anyways and said that his repair manual didn’t show anymore steps from there when he tested the Solenoid and it passed even though the code was saying it was stuck off. Long story short it didn’t fix it it’s still has hard shifting from 1 to second gear but not all the time and especially never when I first leave in the morning when it seems the transmission fluid is cold. I can try doing 3 time flush to see if it helps but do you think it’s something internally with that P0776 code?
Honda performed triple drain and fill twice now as well as software update on Odyssey with 6 speed trans. On occasion still getting a slamming into gear intermittingly. No engine codes thrown. My research is showing oil pressure switches are next best thing to try. Would you agree? Thank you.
Disappointed. 2019 Pilot with the 6spd started this at 90k, and I do a drain and fill every 30k. One drain and fill mostly fixed it. Just did a second. My 2014 CR-V (5spd) with drain/fill every 30k, have never had an issue and am at 140k. It's 2024, we should be living on the moon and not needing super perfect trans fluid!
does a similar thing happen on acceleration? My family's 2017 Odyssey is doing a thing where the rpms bounce on acceleration after the engine warms up. Similar to the example in this video, just on acceleration, not at cruising speed. I just wonder if the same fix is the flush or if I have a different issue.
It’s tough to say as there are many different symptoms that can occur. I would do a quick fluid check if it’s a heavy brown or black looking and smells bad then I would for sure try to do a 3x trans drain and fill. I have a good feeling that’s your issue.
My 2015 Odyssey is doing more of what you are describing. It shudders on acceleration, but not at constant cruising speed. Did you find out if this same TSB fixes the acceleration issue? Thanks
@@wickpoker Yes the TSB fixed it, transmission fluid got changed (dealer did not tell us how many times they did it though) and the issue went away. No more shuddering, we are going to make sure to get the transmission fluid changed every 30k miles. I didn't get to check the color of the fluid before it was changed but I imagine it was black or something. 😬
How much more transmission fluid if you have a transmission cooler over the non tranny cooler option. (Towing pkg has a tranny cooler but owners manual doesn't indicate a different amount)
My 2017 honda pilot have a p0741 code and i was told to change the torque converter solenoid valve. I bought the tc solenoid valve online but now my problem is I cannot find where is the sensor located.. please help
How many miles has it been? Trans service needs to be maintained/fluid changed every 15k after this is done or even more often depending on driving conditions.
I have a 2011 honda pilot every time I put on reverse or drive. I hear crack noise. I replaced the drive shaft and still feeling and hear the crack noise. Any ideas what can be? Thank you so much
You mention the driving through a rumble strip feeling. How do you tell the difference between this and the VCM vibrations? I’ve got significant vibration at idle while in drive (stopped at a light) or in park, not so much in neutral. Definitely feel the rumble at low RPMs in higher gears at the “cruising” speed. I haven’t really noticed weird shifts however.
@@pragmaticoptimist46 neither, vcm isn’t activate at idle nor is there a judder present, you can still have bad mounts which is most likely your case. If you do aftermarket mounts sometimes vibration is the same or worse then broken Honda mounts
I had a 2007 odyssey, changed the ATF fluid every 30K bought it brand new and drove it 200K no issues, and sold it. Great Van
Yup, that’s what happens when you maintain it properly 👏
I did 3x drain and refill with 50-50 amsoil and dw1 and it solved the issue on 2014 crv awd.
Yep, they also share the same issue just not as common
Fixed a ton of these (MDX & RDX as well) we flush with the 16 qt. BG machine & update them.
Nice, works pretty well. Even on extreme cases the improvements are great
How often did you have to replace the oil pressure switches?
Great video man, one thing that’s often overlooked is the small external transmission filter of these gear boxes. I’m not sure where it’s located in the Honda/Acura trucks.
But in the V6 sedans (TL or V6 Accords) is usually right below the battery.
Thanks man. Yes I’ve been meaning to do a video on that. Next chance I get 👍🏻
@@BCautosolutions I just got a Pilot with 105,000 drives good with no issues should I perform this service the trans fluid is not pink the carfax doesn't show any Trans service?
@@DM-vl6kl You need to do it every 30k miles according to Honda if you have the 6 speed trans. From experience with a 2019 Honda Pilot, I'm having to do drain and fill every 20k miles. But I don't do the 3 drain and fills like this guy. If I don't do it every 20k miles the Shudder/Judder is definitely noticeable and annoying. Keep an eye out for the sudden unintended acceleration. Happened to me once. I applied the brakes and was able to stop it from continuing. I would recommend to sell it if you are able. Honda quality is crap and the dealership told me they couldn't duplicate the issue which is a total lie.
@@BCautosolutions I am planning to get an Honda Pilot Touring Pre certified from Honda. Here in the middle east it is with the Traditional shifter and not the buttons. So it should be a 6 Speed Auto and not 9 speed.
From the service history , i can see that Differential Fluid was changed at 30K KMs / 18K Miles and 60K KMs / 36K miles.
- Considering the climate in the middle east should we change the differential fluid every 10K KMs or 6K miles?
- Apart from this is the 6 speed automatic reliable even in hot climates?
- How less fuel efficient is 6 speed automatic compared to 9 speed automatic?
In the vehicle history is see “(S) DIFF OIL HONDA-DPS-F (1L)” hope i am looking at right item and this Is the recommended type of oil..
Users should try adding Lubegard additive to their transmission when changing the fluid. I have used it in my Odysseys for 22 years and never had any sort of trouble with them. I’m fact, the shift quality of my ‘14 with 6-speed is nearly imperceptible. No trace of shudder, ever. I have done fluid changes around 15K most of that time and NEVER seen anything but nice pink/ red fluid come out, which has to do with the friction during the shudder. conditions. Try Lubegard additives also in power steering (different product) and the pump and system will live longer.
Thanks for sharing 🫡. Great maintenance goes a long way
Looked for lubegard and came across what seems to be a regular(red bottle) and a 2-in-1 platinum(grey bottle). Which do you use?
Can you please share what brand you use? Thank you.
Great video -- super helpful instruction. One question: I have a 2014 Odyssey and have read a range of opinions on how and when to test the fullness of the transmission fluid reservoir during the fluid change. Some say you need to drive the vehicle and make sure the trans fluid is warmed up before checking the dipstick and that warm fluid measures differently. Others say you can test cold. What's your understanding? And what mark on the dipstick do you interpret to mean a full reservoir? Thanks!
Full is top dot of hash. Check it when warm although the difference between warm and cold is minimal
Honda dealer just did this on our 2016 Odyssey under the tsb and it is now silky smooth shifting. Just under 80,000 miles
Nice, glad to hear
Did they fix it under warranty? I have the same issue on my 2017 Ridgeline which is just out of the 5yr/60k mile warranty.
@@darrinmc that’s up to the dealer. You can mention it, won’t hurt
@@BCautosolutions Thanks for the tip. The dealer fixed it under warranty last week. They triple flushed the fluid since at some point the software was updated. It was covered under service bulletin 17-025 and 17-026. Problem has gone away!
@@darrinmc glad to hear! Stay on top of those transmission services going forward 👍🏻
Tcm software update if not updated. Besides the 3x flushes. Cool video
Yes I mentioned that
Thanks for the video. I just dropped off my 2016 Odyssey, Just a over 76k, I see service bulletin 17-043 says its covered under warranty for 8 years or 80k miles which ever comes first. Crossing my fingers
Should be covered 👍🏻
@@BCautosolutions success just 3500 miles short of 80k. Made a huge difference. Thanks again
@@SCTR7 lmk how it goes, good luck man
It came back. There is some slipping. Any other ideas? I’m at 90k
@@SCTR7 research changing the transmission oil pressure switches next.
Just did a 3 times drain and fill and a/t update the other day to fix fluctuation
Nice 👍🏻 this one had the update already must have gotten done at another point for a different issue.
Got mine scheduled for tomorrow. It has 27K on it, 2020 Pilot.
Lmk how it feels afterwards 👍🏻
Would disabling vcm help prevent this issue? Thank you for knowledge you are sharing with community.
That’s a negative. Thanks for watching
Hey man! Thanks for all the great info! We also own an 06 Accord 4Cylinder and the car has 185K miles. The last time transmission showing serviced was at 147K miles 3 years ago. The transmission feels flawless by the way. Wats your opinion on servicing the transmission at this mileage? Also servicing would entail only drain and refill correct? Thank you!
Hey I appreciate the kind words. Yes, if there’s no shifting issues and the service interval hasn’t been that far apart, id be ok with doing a drain and fill.
@@BCautosolutions thanks for this advice! Also, do you know if this vehicle has the transmission filter / strainer under the hood? If so does it need to be changed out too!?
My 2017 ridgeline stutters... going to take it in to Honda with the TSB associated with this issue. The TSB lists the labor as being part of the 80k mile or 8 yr warranty. Does that mean the labor will be included if I meet that criteria?
@@uneCENT yes
@@BCautosolutions 🙏 Thanks
My ‘17 ridgeline 77tho kms was maintained by dealership, now waiting on new transmission and transfer case for 7 months. Honda canada has no idea when the will get these parts. So now it just sits at dealership. So disappointed
That’s ridiculous. Did the give you a replacement car in the meantime?
Great video - what size are all of the crush washers?
Trans drain plug crush washer is 18mm.
@@tadmazik1024 thank you!
My 2019 Pilot Ex started doing this at 26k miles. You would think Honda would fix this problem 3 years going in on new Redesign.
It’s really only a matter of doing the fluid as needed vs strictly every 30k or so. Problem is most techs are lazy abs don’t bother looking at fluid conditions (assuming you svc it at a dealer)
Run from that pilot while you can
@@MannyGotit just need to maintain it.
2020 Pilot 6speed did 3X drain and refill drives so much better now but dipstick is right at the low mark even though I put in 3 and 3/4 quarts. Do I add some more to bring it to Hot level?
Thanks for the video very helpful!
Awesome! Glad to hear, yeah top it off just slightly but even at the low mark it won’t hurt anything.
Hey men I recently did this to my 2015 accord touring v6 with the 6 speed auto I only did one flush and it was good a like a month and went right back to hard shifting and the transmission is all over the place I plan on doing the 3 times flush hopefully it will fix the problem for longer also what is a PCM update?
Awesome, yeah lmk how it goes. You update the cars computer to a newer software version.
Just found your channel and subscribed after watching a couple of your videos.
I had the judder on my 2017 Ridgeline. Changed the fluid and fixed the issue. 5 months later started getting a hard shift when up shifting to second gear. It wouldn’t do it all the time until it finally gave me a P0776 code. Dealer changed the solenoid unit but it didn’t fix the issue.
The said that my next fix might be a new transmission.
Is this correct fix for this?
Hope you got the time to answer this.
It can be an expensive repair if not needed.
@@rotaxrider I’m out of the country, I’ll be back in 1 week and can dig into that code a bit. If you can, please leave another comment in a week so I can see it and remember to look. Thanks for subscribing
@@BCautosolutions Perfect
@@BCautosolutions A reminder 👍
@@rotaxrider ok so the code is for a solenoid on the valve body. first step is drain fluid and check for metal debri (not to be confused with normal clutch debri found on drain plug). If there is debri, needs a trans. If there are no metal fragments I would change the fluid 2-3 times decoding on condition and color, reset code, see how it goes. If it ends up returning may need the valve body or a full trans replacement. The valve body is pita and expensive to change.
@@BCautosolutions Thanks for your time and reply.
I’m the original owner and fluid wax always changed at recommended intervals. Fluid level was always double checked following Honda’s procedure to make sure it was at full mark.
I got the valve body replaced by a Honda dealer and he did check for metal filings when he drained the oil and none were found.
He didn’t do a 3 drain and fill just the usual 1 and it the fluid that he did drain had a hint of burnt fluid to it.
Following his test procedure from Honda when checked Control Solenoid Valve B his test was showing that it was good and passed his test.
He ended up replacing the whole valve assembly anyways and said that his repair manual didn’t show anymore steps from there when he tested the Solenoid and it passed even though the code was saying it was stuck off. Long story short it didn’t fix it it’s still has hard shifting from 1 to second gear but not all the time and especially never when I first leave in the morning when it seems the transmission fluid is cold.
I can try doing 3 time flush to see if it helps but do you think it’s something internally with that P0776 code?
2007 Ody. 191K, I drain and fill once a year. Trying to make the car last.
I’m all for it, good job🙌
Great video! There are two Honda Svc Bulletins on this: 15-086 and 17-040.
Yes
What do you think about the burnishing technique for this cvt problems?
No imo
@@BCautosolutions thanks
Honda performed triple drain and fill twice now as well as software update on Odyssey with 6 speed trans. On occasion still getting a slamming into gear intermittingly. No engine codes thrown. My research is showing oil pressure switches are next best thing to try. Would you agree? Thank you.
@@ruanddu yes I would
@@BCautosolutions I appreciate it. Would you change all 6 switches or just the gears affected? Thank you.
@@BCautosolutions thanks!
@@ruanddu it’s usually the lower gears only
@@BCautosolutionsI appreciate it!
Disappointed. 2019 Pilot with the 6spd started this at 90k, and I do a drain and fill every 30k. One drain and fill mostly fixed it. Just did a second. My 2014 CR-V (5spd) with drain/fill every 30k, have never had an issue and am at 140k. It's 2024, we should be living on the moon and not needing super perfect trans fluid!
@@tadmazik1024 agreed
What are the issues with the transmission that’s has the selector? I’m looking in to buying a 2017 Honda Pilot with 9 gear selector.
Not nearly as many issues va the more common honda 6 speed with the shift knob
does a similar thing happen on acceleration? My family's 2017 Odyssey is doing a thing where the rpms bounce on acceleration after the engine warms up. Similar to the example in this video, just on acceleration, not at cruising speed. I just wonder if the same fix is the flush or if I have a different issue.
It’s tough to say as there are many different symptoms that can occur. I would do a quick fluid check if it’s a heavy brown or black looking and smells bad then I would for sure try to do a 3x trans drain and fill. I have a good feeling that’s your issue.
@@BCautosolutions thank you for the help! 😁👍 I will make sure to check! I was unaware this car had a dipstick and will check asap!
My 2015 Odyssey is doing more of what you are describing. It shudders on acceleration, but not at constant cruising speed. Did you find out if this same TSB fixes the acceleration issue? Thanks
@@wickpoker Yes the TSB fixed it, transmission fluid got changed (dealer did not tell us how many times they did it though) and the issue went away. No more shuddering, we are going to make sure to get the transmission fluid changed every 30k miles. I didn't get to check the color of the fluid before it was changed but I imagine it was black or something. 😬
@@fakejeepman06 Thanks for the speedy reply! That's very helpful. Will check and change fluid!
Do you use the same oil as a refil
No, fresh oil every time
How much more transmission fluid if you have a transmission cooler over the non tranny cooler option. (Towing pkg has a tranny cooler but owners manual doesn't indicate a different amount)
Not sure, have to measure with dipstick but no more then 1 qt extra
My 2017 honda pilot have a p0741 code and i was told to change the torque converter solenoid valve. I bought the tc solenoid valve online but now my problem is I cannot find where is the sensor located.. please help
You need a torque converter if your getting that code.
Does it cost to check and update if needed?
Depends if your still covered or not.
I had this problem almost a year ago. They performed this procedure but now the shudder is back =/
How many miles has it been? Trans service needs to be maintained/fluid changed every 15k after this is done or even more often depending on driving conditions.
@@Henry_Jones yeah, Honda is wrong on this one. Do the flush 2x again and then every 15k going forward.
Donyou add new fluids at each time or just the first new fluid 3 times
New fluids each time
I have a 2011 honda pilot every time I put on reverse or drive. I hear crack noise. I replaced the drive shaft and still feeling and hear the crack noise. Any ideas what can be? Thank you so much
Sounds like brake pad shifting possibly. If you can get a video, email it to me. Bcautosolutions20@gmail.com
You mention the driving through a rumble strip feeling. How do you tell the difference between this and the VCM vibrations? I’ve got significant vibration at idle while in drive (stopped at a light) or in park, not so much in neutral. Definitely feel the rumble at low RPMs in higher gears at the “cruising” speed. I haven’t really noticed weird shifts however.
It’s a lot more intense feeling vs the normal vcm vibration. More of a back and forth jerking.
@@BCautosolutions is the vibration at idle while in drive a VCM or transmission judder issue?
@@pragmaticoptimist46 neither, vcm isn’t activate at idle nor is there a judder present, you can still have bad mounts which is most likely your case. If you do aftermarket mounts sometimes vibration is the same or worse then broken Honda mounts
@@BCautosolutions thanks so much, one more question - if I add an active VCM disabling tool, will aftermarket mounts hold-up?
@@pragmaticoptimist46 that is not sure but I don’t see why not
Do I just go to the dealership and ask for a transmission flush?
3x trans flush. Depending on severity maybe even 4. Also ask them to check for trans software updates.
@@BCautosolutions okay thank you, happy new year!
@@dannymcclinton3761 you too!
Looks like a real repair would be adding a external cooler somehow
That would certainly help
my wifes 2016 pilot does this
I believe it
Best solution dont buy a Pilot
Or just maintain it properly and it won’t have issues….