Doctor REACTS to South Park | "Ass Burgers" or Aspeger's Syndrome? | Dr Elliott
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This Doctor Reacts video is looking at thenexy episode of south park called "Ass Burgers" which continues our discussion on clinical depression, autism and autism spectrum disorders, why there has been a false link between autism and vaccinations and rates of depression in autistic people. We also explore how depression can damage relationships and how this can be improved with specific types of psychotherapy.
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I wouldnt be surprised if Stan actually has CPTSD rather than ASD having grown up with Randy.
It's a cartoon 😂
@@williamsiebert9830 Yes it is but this is a psychiatry channel and the comments section is for discussion. If you think that's wrong maybe you should move your comment up one level.
@@williamsiebert9830 it's also political commentary
One of the best depictions of depression that I've seen, honestly. Seeing this episode was a big part of what convinced me to seek proper help.
I can also recommend the movie Melancholia. I think it does a great job of showing the frustration that depression imposes, where everyone's attempts to help just end up seeming selfish. In that case, the person is about to get married, so her depression is treated as a huge inconvenience, as selfish, as rude, etc. And then it goes in a whole other direction.
Yeah it’s funny that cartoons like South Park and Bojack Horseman handled depression better than 13 Reasons Why did.
I had a horrible onset of depression (arguably worsened by autistic burnout) causing a two year absence from school when I was around 14/15. The school tried their best but everything was tailored around getting my attendance up for statistics rather than caring for a student. I also remember as a lonely and troubled child my assistant SENCO said "you can't be autistic, you're not a troublemaker". That spiralled things worse before I was diagnosed, and I felt this constant question of "what's wrong with me, why am I so different, maybe I'm just faulty" that obviously came from and exacerbated my depression. I also remember losing friends and being told that because I went outside once on a trip to town that I was clearly fine and well enough to attend school every day, which was the triggering environment for my meltdowns. I wish that the awareness of autism we have translated into actual support, acceptance and understanding.
Absolutely agreed. Even those who support me still give me grief over my ASD as though I deliberately act out or am trying to control things. Well I do try to control my situations to avoid having meltdowns etc. how dare we learn coping mechanisms and use them around people.
I seems terrifyingly commonplace that people who struggled were treated this way... people made our suffering an affront to them, about them, as if it's a conscious choice to make their lives more difficult. It's incredibly saddening and just speaks on the erosion of empathy.
It's not a soft "g" in Asperger, he was (as you mentioned) Austrian and his name was pronounced with a hard "g" as in "guy". It's not so surprising that Americans would be more likely to get it right because there have historically been a ton of German immigrants here.
In fact, the soft "g" sound doesn't traditionally exist in the German language although it is present in a lot of loan words. In actual German words "g" is almost always hard and "j" is pronounced more like English "y". ("Y", incidentally, is typically pronounced as a "u" sound like in "cute")
How would the name be pronounced?
@@briandillmon2972 Pretty similar to the US way that South Park is joking about, although it sounds less like "burger" because the "p" is more distinct. If you pronounce it like "ass burger" but with a more distinct "p" rather than a "b" sound, it's pretty close. We Americans tend not to enunciate our p's very clearly, especially when they're in the middle of the word.
@@flingonber thank you I'm just genuinely curious.
The part we get wrong is adding in an extra R sound before the hard G, likely because it's hard for us to pronounce the name without it.
Also was going to make this same comment. The J sound we use doesn't really exist in German, at least not inherently, so wouldn't be a part of a German surname. The soft G/J sound mostly came into English through French influence.
As much as "Assburger" sounds dumb, it's a German name and that is much closer to the correct German pronunciation...
When depression was harder to battle (at a younger age), I locked my bedroom door; to deal with it alone. Not just because I didn't want to bring anyone down but also because family members would come in to TRY to talk but end up getting defensive and arguing when I finally had the strength to share. It took SO much just to get those few words out. I don't have the strength or energy to fight you. Every attempt to console and be there for me, ended with me apologizing to them for saying something that hurt their feelings. I felt overlooked and feel more loved, now that I put myself first.
That hit home.
@@rowanbodhi3251 It must be SO difficult for those to speak out about their pain when so many get defensive, argumentative or even competitive over the snippets one shares.
Australia has a pretty backwards view of ASD and what we need as support. The state government where I live. Has rolled out strict guidelines in regards to driving in NSW you have to disclose your diagnosis and then be assessed by a third party and then if they deem you capable to drive you have to do the standard 120 hours of supervised driving. But this even applies to people who have already had their licenses for years without incident. The sting is if you don't it's a $10,000 fine. On top of that there is a bill in the government that is planning to remove ASD level 1 from accessing our disability scheme it's kinda ridiculous aha
Fellow Aussie autistic person here just sending you hugs or whatever good vibes make you comfortable. The driving rule is complete bullshit and NDIS is already such a hassle as an autistic person (or just in general) so yeah fuck the people putting these shitty rule in place.
This sounds incredibly ableist.. and illegal AF. Why don't they target people who actually cause the accidents and traffic violations instead of harassing people who wanted help ... It's infuriating:(
Our governments are pretty stupid.
lol - This is my favorite episode as a person with ASD. It reminds me of how politicians/parents/non-neurodivergent persons never ask the actually affected with disorders directly about their quality of life and only can see it from their end.
Same lmaoooo
I never knew I was depressed at school but it all made sense when I was diagnosed at 19. During my early years I was a top of the class student in primary school and everyone thought I'd excel as a teenager and end up at university.
At around the age of 12 someone began to bully me. Although it stopped after 4 or 5 months, I never properly recovered. By the time GCSE season came around, I had put on lots of weight, was ignoring friends, skipping school and apathetic towards studying/revising.
I had no idea what depression was at that time and, although they were worried, my parents thought it was a typical teenager phase. It wasn't until I became suicidal at 19 and reached out to my GP that I finally had an answer. Better awareness for teachers and parents means I could have received support sooner and reached my full potential at school
My mom used to say to me, "What have you got to be depressed about??"
ALWAYS happy to see more South Park reactions on this channel! Keep up the good work!!
my favorite response to someone advising you on your depression is " just be happy."
The greatest pro-vaccination case I’ve ever seen was made by Penn and Teller in the intro of one of their episodes of the show “Bullshit”!
They had two separate groups of several hundred bowling pins. One group represented vaccinated children, the other represented unvaccinated children. They said there is ZERO scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism, but even if they did cause it in about one of every 800 children (whatever the number allegedly is), let’s play along. So their vaccine glass shield knocked over ONE of the bowling pins in the vaccinated group. No shield for the unvaccinated group. They then threw dozens of balls representing various diseases at both groups. The glass shield protected all the pins in the vaccinated group, while all the pins in the unvaccinated group were knocked down. Penn then asks “Which side would you want your child on?”
The metaphor of being drunk on alcohol as plugging into the matrix is hilarious and brilliant! 😂
What the hell was wrong with the Lancet - publishing something like that?! The damage they caused 🤦🏻♀️
Oh the whole situation is horrifically depressing and way more fucked up then the tiny synopsis given. A person I follow, Hbomberguy, did a video on the whole ordeal. It's a good video if your looking to find out what happened, though it is a very long video.
@@shadowtech9158 Thanks!
For a southpark episode the description of depression is surprisingly really good?? very accurate atleast for me. As someone with asd and special interest in psychology overall but especially autism spectrum disorder, i would love more videos related to autism, loooved the video🫶
I'm really amazed, how much experts can analyze southpark episodes, and how accurate these topics usually are
LMAO! "I'm amazed at how people know how to do their literal jobs"
@@-Devy-South Park’s job is to be funny, so it is surprising when they get other things right. Though, FTR, they got ADHD horribly wrong in an early episode.
People don't believe me when I say, "these things have been around for a lot longer than you think,". Yes, there are a lot more autistic people than we think. Cause if you sit on the very high functioning side of it. Everyone would just say "Their just we're quiet" or something along those lines. Even when I was young 30 years ago. People didn't go out just looking for diagnosis for every problem they had. The rates go up because we gave the condition a name and started looking for it.
Sorry had to roll my eyes at the Asperger pronunciation the “proper English way” is in fact incorrect considering German would use the hard g sound rather than the soft g so it would be pronounced “as-burgers”
Honestly I don’t even use the term myself because of the history of it but the English superiority schtick gets a bit old especially when it’s just blatantly incorrect
11:39 oh… you said “gaze”… you had me there for a moment 😂 i was like wtf 😂
There's an episode of the children's show Arthur that explains Asperger's Syndrome pretty well
I have Asperger’s and have been a South Park fans for nearly 20 years
Actually Americans speak a much closer English then Britain. British English change dramatically in the 1800's. The well todo in England changed it to separate them self from the lower classes. Just a FYI.. Grin
You can buy a scientist as easily as you can buy a politician.
I got the diagnosis autism since I just got my diagnosis a few years ago. But most doctors, psychiatrists etc that I talk to call it Asperger's when they talk to me, and write Asperger's in my medical journals. I find it really weird since it's called autism now, and that's the diagnosis I was given. I don't get why they're using an outdated term for no reason (even though it was only officially changed in 2013). If I got my diagnosis long ago and actually got the diagnosis Asperger's, I could understand it a little more. But I really prefer to be called autistic, which I try to make clear to them. (I live in Sweden btw)
I absolutely LOVE when you do South Park!!!!!!
I have always been extremely fascinated by psychology and the examination of the human mind. South Park has also been one of, if not my favorite, show since i can remember. I always told people that despite the vulgarity and crass humor the show addresses to things that are going on at the time each episode is released and it manages to be fairly insightful at time.
I have ASD and this is pretty accurate.
Hbomberguy has a great, in depth video essay on Wakefield and all the awful things he did if anyone wants to know more.
15:27 Yeah, this is me with a silver bullet. My depressive states get very bad under hypomania, and it just hits my trust issues more, usually in the form of belief people are inherently untrustworthy and anyone and everyone will disappoint or betray eventually given a long enough time frame. Doesn't matter, just a matter of time. That's what my brain says. So I am often in a "testing and evaluation" state in my "dark periods" where I want to know if someone will actually stick around the way I would for them because I'm too afraid of having to depend on someone who will eventually let me down or hurt me, but everyone will eventually I never actually fully trust anyone or am not testing them.
I would be curious about your reaction to the character Caleb from the series Big Mouth: it’s at least strongly implied the he has ASD. (If you’re not familiar with Big Mouth, please note that in the hormone monsters are real, not hallucinations.)
Losing friends while you're depressed sucks. And it's self-defeating too
Why the hell would a gastroenterologist be throwing their two cents in on a measles vaccination and its effect on mental cognitive development? He’s literally working down the other end of the body.
I love these episodes. It gave me some time to reflect back when i was depressed. That was 2 years ago, now I'm happier than i ever have been. Get to do things i enjoy and have time to myself. But it does creep back in the winter months though.
I was once depressed and suicidal I lost all my friends and when I did get help I was never able to make new friends i don't know if I ever will be able to but I always try to be positive but whenever I leave a job or college the friends I make there never want to meet up or even message I will always keep trying but it gets harder and harder to believe anyone outside the family will care
It’s HARD to make friends and nobody talks about that. Nobody ever tells you that as you age you’re also going to develop a much smaller and tighter knit circle.
When I was young, I had about ten good friends and a social circle that was even broader. As I went through my twenties - and my own horrific mental health issues- I lost ALL of them.
Then I met some people while I was participating in a hobby. I now, at 40, have two extremely close friends that I consider family and a small circle of standard friends. That’s it.
But it’s all I need.
Please know that it is NOT you or your mental health. It’s just really really hard to make friends beyond acquaintances.
You probably won’t make them at work unless you’re lucky. It’s too random. Your best bet is to seek out people with similar interests. Join hobby groups, political groups, or religious if that’s your thing. Go online, even. My brother met his wife and best friend on a flipping MMORPG. The point is to put yourself in a position to meet others who experience the world in a way that connects with you. And be open to getting hurt a bit because it’s not going to be completely easy.
I’m sorry you lost your friend group. It hurts. But the good news is that you stand a good chance of making even better connections with what you’ve learned from that loss. Good luck to you!
If I remember correctly from reading "Non-complicit: Revisiting Hans Asperger’s Career in Nazi-era Vienna" by Dean Falk, Asperger wasn't /as much/ of a Nazi as was previously thought (in comparison to someone like Mengele, I mean). He was on the German side and fought in WWII, though
People would rather risk losing herd immunity to horrible diseases and viruses than gain understanding and empathy of those with Asperger's or other forms of ASD. Allistic society deserves what's coming
5:37
That's the exact advice I got from parents when I finally confided in them. Needless to say, it made things worse - mainly the loneliness and paranoia.
Unfortunately it finally exploded out after I fell hard for someone. Not sure how much of it was actually romantic interest and how much of it was just the stress, but in her (the good and the really bad) I finally found self-forgiveness and alternative POV on myself to start healing and working through it all. Obviously there are other people that had an impact but she was the main influence and although it didn't work out (unsurprisingly) but somehow we are still friends lol.
I'm going into the new year with a new and more stable support group of people who understand (and in some cases have been through) what I'm going through.
South Park is genius. I love your analysis of the episodes! ❤
The HPV vaccine for men 12-13 came out when in America I was 17 and I didn’t hear anything about it being available until they started ad campaigns for it on tv in my mid-20s. I have been diagnosed with autism and the end of the spectrum I am on was at one point called Aspergers. I was also diagnosed with bipolar depression though after years of all types of antidepressants and antipsychotics I think it matches closer to alexithmia which isn’t feeling down or depressed, but trouble feeling anything at all and being able to discern what emotions you are feeling and what that means.
17:15 ... Where as in my mind my logic doing that was viewed different but with that same goal. In my mind the reason for the push was 1) I know I am struggling 2)I know when I see people struggling it hurts me and makes me struggle 3) I care for them and don't want them to feel pain 4) I would rather be isolated and alone than hurt them by allowing them to stay close 5) I am fully aware that in me pushing away if they allow me to push away it has nothing to do with them and entirely to do with me 6) I would rather they hate me for defending them in a way that seems like an attack than have to deal with the pain of seeing me struggle. There was never a thought or feeling of "oh I am unlovable" I was fully aware that all my consequences were a direct result of my own actions in order to protect people and had nothing to do with peoples ability to love or care for me.
The people who would refuse to allow me to push away because they understand my broken logic of my actions trying to protect them obviously made a huge difference in the fact it gave me somebody who I could trust enough to be vulnerable around because I could know that they understand depression in a way that they wouldn't be hurt by my struggle because they could understand it on a level of having experienced it themselves as a pose to a level of reading something in a book and so are more logically protected from being hurt by my pain. Now what do I mean by that? Well it is one thing to learn something through "books" (aka a lack of self experience) because while you may be able to learn the basic function behind how something works you can never learn the complex function as to why it works in that way where as if you learn from experience then you can understand the why as well. For example, I am trans, I have been all my life though I didn't know it till much more recently, people who are not trans while might be able to understand that being trans is a thing will never be able to understand why I am the way that I am, never be able to understand how I could live decades "ok" with living my life pretending to be something I am not yet once having the understanding and language to express myself then becoming unable to keep pretending, like in other people's mind how could I have been ok with forcing myself to live one way for 30 years but then once I know why I was having a hard time being unable to continue acting in the way I acted for 30 years, something that can be really hard to grasp if looking at it from the perspective of learning from "books" where as other trans people can fully understand why that is and can be respectful towards that oddity because it is something they have experienced themselves as well. As a result when it comes to trans issues it is a lot easier for me to connect with other people who share the experience even if we are not friends and don't see eye to eye than it is to connect with people who are friends and who do have similar opinions because there will always be that divide between knowing and understanding that they will never be able to cross in the same way. As a result the people who I try to push away who end up basically going "no screw you, I get that you are pushing me away to protect me because I do the same shit but I am not going to allow you to because you need someone who understands and you ain't going to hurt me being hurt in a way you can't control so I will give you a bit of space to not cause you discomfort but I am not going to give you the space you are trying to create" I end up being able to have my mind not try to push away next time because my mind can trust their ability to understand my issues and not judge me or be hurt in the same way as someone who doesn't get it thus allowing me to remain relatively close to those people even when being close to people is uncomfortable.
i do get a bit bothered by Cartman calling Asperger's "a disease"
then i remember... its Cartman
I know this is not related to the episode. I think your reacting to The Perks of Being a Wallflower would be a great video since the movie is a superb adaptation of the book and covers topics like social anxiety, blacking out, childhood trauma and learning to live and heal from it. The book was really important to me in high school.
Southpark really has a good look on depression.
I have sever mental health issues including recurring depressions (with the first episodes likely in my childhood, but I had to develop anorexia for my teacher to react before I had the first contact with mental health workers at age 15) and I can't tell how many "just pull yourself together", "you have no reason the be down (so you cannot be)", "just overthink less", "just think more positive"', "it's just about willpower"...'s I have heard over the years (and partly keep hearing from the same persons/familiy members who still don't acknowledge my condition to be real. And often insulting psychiatrist and counselers as *** in the process)
My grandfather about my mother (who struggled with alcohol dependency PTSD, BPD,...): "If I had a say, I would send her to a labour camp, that would teach her to stop that nonsense".
Same grandfather to me (mostly about my eating disorder): "You move in here for a few weeks and I will cure you."
It never stops hurting how mental health issues are often not taken seriously, not understood... especially if it comes from family. I get that it must be difficult to imagine how it might feel for people who don't know the same or similar struggles. I would be so thankful for just an acknowledgement, for acceptance that mental health issues are real.
Sorry for digressing.
I love your reactions. Your really hit the bull's eye so often so eloquently. Thank you.
Mornings being the worst is so relatable. I have such a hard time getting out of bed. For me personally, my motivation has taken the biggest hit. It absolutely sucks bc im still a college student and watching my grades and gpa fall while im trying my best is so heartbreaking especially bc I really want to succeed. I love my major, but I have such horrible motivation and it makes me feel so incredibly lazy bc despite everything I do, I have nothing to show for it except failures.
Edit: also wanted to add that people like myself with depression will sometimes mask it to avoid having friends leave or avoid us for being a "downer". Loneliness is a horrible feeling.
I’ve been there. I’m going through a separation with my wife right now. She asked for it less than 2 weeks ago. It’s been difficult. But just going for a mile walk in the mornings and diving into changing my thought processes is helping. May I suggest looking into a couple of people. Alan Watts, Eckhart Tolle and Chungliang Al Huang. You may or not like each of them. But their teachings are helping me be present and get through this and focus on what matters. Also, diaphragmatic breathing for stress and anxiety. I want you to know you are loved! You can do this!
The name is German, therefore "AsperGer", not "AsperJer", Doc.
Brilliant as always my man.♥
That's so interesting with you saying mornings are the worst for depression. I have had three clinical depressions and am autistic and evenings have always been the worst for me. Just shows how different we all are.
Hey! You should react to Cartman's and Heidi's relationship!
If you want to get all Greek about it, we should really ditch the hard C and exclusively use the letter K so there is no mistake.
Part of the problem is that doctors go straight to medication only (which is supposed to be for short term use in addition to therapy) as a treatment, instead of trying to find out the cause of the depression. There's always a cause; mostly external (people, place, or situation).
In fact the American pronunciation is closer to the original German "Asperger." Germans do not pronounce the 'g' like a 'j.'
Thank you for talking about this issue and controversy. Thank you because I'm a woman with autism but I want friends and to get married with a long time ago they said made mind you not autistic.
I pronounce it as the same as people from the UK, yet my sis pronounces it as "Ass Burgers". I am not medicated except for my Type 1 Diabetes .
As-burgers is in fact the correct pronunciation since the German german doesn’t really have a soft g sound so your sister is actually correct in this case
I really wanted to see your reaction to the ending.
its good to see common reality may prevail. hard subject to under take even in comedy. great insight in human behavior.
I find it funny how when I got my 2nd COVID jab, I joked saying " So how long until the autism kicks in?" And it was after that I started to notice how many autistic traits I have and now I'm after a diagnosis
That just means you started looking at yourself
As an Autistic person, I love how literate Cartman's interpretation of Ass-Burgers is. 😂
I probably have assburgers (I love that term xD), but I was always confused with mr Mackey relating it to depression, as I'm a hedonist and almost everything makes me happy, I got bunch of passions that gives me so much pleasure that sometimes i feel like on ecstazy xD
ASD can be linked to a variety of other mental health disorders including depression, anxiety, ODD, OCD, Bipolar, schizophrenia,etc.
"Stuff it down with brown." Lol that got me.
TECHNICALLY US English is the original "correct" English. Buuuttt I do love hearing you take the piss 😂
Wondering if you would react to a music artist. 21 pilots has been one of my favorites for a while now and helped me through depression during divorce especially since their lyrics are about the mind it might be something different and interesting
South Park is really good at “not protecting” marginalized groups. As someone on the spectrum, I found the hallway scene at the research center hilarious.
👍🏿👍🏿 Butt why were Cartman's burgers so good? I bet "brown keep it down" also works for the burgers.
Please react to the episode "Fishes" from season 2 of The Bear
I have Asperger's panic attack disorder more for fights and large crowds depression my whole life and never said but always had suicidal thoughts Not that my mother meant too she really didn't see the effect or understand the lvl of trauma it was and cause I hid em inside well but from 12 to 14 cheated on my Dad constantly and would tag me along on there dates for a excuse and she didn't and still don't realize that still cheating anyway and that was hard to hide cause I didn't want my family to fall apart though mom and dad never and any fights then from 16 to 18 had my 17 year old honestly my blood cousin girlfriend be a surget mom with her husband and then I was forced to say I was the father so she didn't go to jail because she was less half a year from 18 but they still did it so technically they were pedophiles and shortly after born my 45 year old stepdad stole my girlfriend and child too lol I moved out till 23 then moved back in and we had several domestic assaults we lived in the downtown crime mainly cause we lived in the crime ridden area of town only for a year had drug addict move in guys with who had guns aka my house turned into a littly trap house in the ghetto all cause her abusive boyfriend did do but she didn't want hurt that WITHOUT any medicine for any my conditions any therapist or anyone to talk to all 3 times so I got some trauma I came out but now sadly I'm very very very cynical of everything myself humanity my nation the unite states or government or well everything in life.
13:40 Yeah, sure is. Rewriting history and hiding the ugly truths.
Media being media, they care more about their ratings and as individuals we need to take things with due diligence instead of assuming whatever media says...
We Americans may mispronounce a lot of words but at least we drive on the correct side of the road lol 😉
Apathy tearing me apart literally cry for no reason nowadays for not much reason
have you ever heard a brit say, " a bottle of water?" it's hilarious. 😅
You do realize Asperger is NOT an English name, right? You guys are in the wrong here 😂.
Where did the yellow Lego go?😮
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I headcannon stan as having ASD
People do more than push away?
Ass-burgers?!! No thank you. I will admit I have always been fond of and enjoyed butt steak. Do you have this cut of beef in the UK?
SCENE I. Venice. A street.
Enter ANTONIO, SALARINO, and SALANIO
ANTONIO
In sooth, I know not why I am so sad:
It wearies me; you say it wearies you;
But how I caught it, found it, or came by it,
What stuff 'tis made of, whereof it is born,
I am to learn;
And such a want-wit sadness makes of me,
That I have much ado to know myself.
Love South Park stuff, genius. But hint, hint about the topic - on average 16% higher excess mortality since 2021. When profits and control clearly matter more than people, we should question everything we hear and see on the media.
As someone with (actual) Asperger's and depression, this episode was not only hilarious but spot-on to what depression is like and the myths people have around it. Also I love how it skewers the vaccine-autism myth. So many people still believe in that shit what with RFK Jr. spreading bullshit.
Also I do disagree regarding the "high-functioning"/Asperger's label. I don't particular care what you call it as long as you call it *something*. There's a clear difference between people who can live completely independent lives and people who need care 24/7. Calling it all "autism" or "ASD" just makes it impossible for anyone to determine what the level of disability based on the label alone. An analogy I like to use (I have mild CP myself) is cerebral palsy. Some people (like me) can fully walk and talk and do most things people without the condition can. Other people are completely wheelchair-bound and nonverbal, and of course there's a whole spectrum of people in between. But not all forms of cerebral palsy are the same, and there's various terminology to describe the different levels of impairment as well as different subtypes. Asperger's (or high-functioning autism, or whatever you want to call it) is a milder subtype of autism compared to Kanner's or "classic" autism, which are both different from PDD-NOS and Childhood Disintegrative Disorder. There can be different subtypes with different severities and it can still be understood as all forms of autism, just with different labels to specify the different forms. But pretending there's no difference between mild and severe and not distinguishing anything just makes it harder to form solutions.
The difference is still highlighted, it has just changed so that more neuroaffirming language is used instead. From my understanding, someone who’s diagnosed as autistic today will also be given a support needs label (level 1 being the lowest support needs and level 3 being the highest support needs). Terms like Asperger’s, high-functioning, mild/severe are outdated and offensive now and have been replaced with this language.
@@zac_con The "support needs" labels are vague and don't distinguish clinical subtypes like Asperger's vs. PDD-NOS vs. Kanner's. For example I am diagnosed with Asperger's/Level 2 ASD and it's often better to explain my diagnosis to clinicians and peers through the old label. There are also other people diagnosed with Level 2 ASD who are significantly more disabled to the extent where they have Kanner's and not Asperger's, and the Level 2 makes no distinction. Also many people are arguing for a label of profound autism to describe people who have dangerous behaviors, intellectual disability, and little or no language, yet Level 3 does not fully encapsulate this population as there are others with little or no language who later acquire language and do not have dangerous behaviors. Also, what does "neuro-affirming" mean exactly and why are the older terms offensive? Just because Hans Asperger was a Nazi doesn't mean he didn't describe and create a useful label for a specific subtype of autism. We don't question the term Down syndrome, even though by all accounts Dr. Down was a horrible racist. Again, I'm not even specifically attached to the term, call it *something* that distinguishes it from severe and moderate autism. Why in particular are "mild" and "severe/profound" offensive? Those same labels are used for IDD and cerebral palsy and I don't see anyone objecting.
@@matthewcrome5835 There is so much to say on this and I do not have the time or knowledge to put it all here, so I encourage you to look into this yourself. I’ll try to respond to some of what you’ve said at more or a surface level though:
Neuroaffirming means that you respect and value the diversity of human brains and behaviors. It means that you do not see neurodivergent people as broken or inferior, but as having different support needs and strengths. It means that you support neurodivergent people in finding their own ways of living, learning, and expressing themselves, rather than trying to make them conform to neurotypical norms. Neuroaffirming is a way of being inclusive, compassionate, and empowering towards neurodivergent people.
High-functioning, low-functioning, mild, severe, etc. are all framed from an outside perspective. Calling someone high-functioning ignores any of their internal struggles. To be more neuroaffirming, labels from more of an internal perspective are used (support needs labels). This can help to better address internal struggles rather than just calling someone who can work “high-functioning” and not caring too much about anything that happens in their personal life behind closed doors. Support needs labels are still definitely not perfect in their current state and I hope they can be improved soon.
One of the main problems with “Aspergers” is that during the holocaust, people with “Aspergers” were seen as superior to those with “severe” autism. Those with “Aspergers” were more likely to be kept alive while those with more “severe” autism were much more likely to be killed. The use of this term after the holocaust and even today is still rooted in this idea that people with Aspergers somehow have more “worth” than other autistic people. You can see it with a number of those who identify as having Aspergers, with some actively seeing themselves as better than other autistic people (or “one of the good ones”, etc.). “Aspergers” is outdated because it’s rooted in hatred and supremacy. An individual’s worth is not linked to their disability, and being more or less disabled doesn’t mean an individual has more or less value.
I have ASD, and I have always preferred the terms "Aspergers" or "High functioning autistic". Personally, I just say I'm an ASPI and let them figure it out, or not.
The concept about taking the Nazi's out of the name I'm of 2 minds about. Firstly, they were horrible human beings - there is no questioning that - but they were also intelligent enough to discover these things and I don't generally agree that the fact that they were horrible human beings equates to their discoveries. Literally, I'm of 2 minds on it.
One of the main problems is that during the holocaust, people with “Aspergers” were seen as superior to those with “severe” autism. Those with “Aspergers” were more likely to be kept alive while those with more “severe” autism were much more likely to be killed. The use of this term after the holocaust and even today is still rooted in this idea that people with Aspergers somehow have more “worth” than other autistic people. You can see it with a number of those who identify as having Aspergers, with some actively seeing themselves as better than other autistic people (or “one of the good ones”, etc.). “Aspergers” is outdated because it’s rooted in hatred and supremacy.
@@zac_con Absolutely true. TBH, I think it's because I am aspi that I talk about these things the way I do and see them the way I do (I'm trying to see through a norms lense - something almost impossible for me).
I don't have the emotional ties to the concepts of love or death or suffering that other people do. I don'about
Don't get me wrong, if it helps norms deal with what happened - okay, I'll help. It's just that at least some of us ASPI's just don't get why the change is needed. It does not change us, or the actions or the person that discovered it or the things he got right and wrong. But if it's for the sensitivities of others that I simply can never know, I can at least try to understand that I will never understand and simply change for them as I would hope they can change for me if the roles were reversed.
You should watch the covid episode :D
Can you react to more greys anatomy?
Wtf I relate to this so much
Hope to see the day, when you're gonna react to the Soldier 1998 with Kurt Russell. PTSD and re-integration to civil society.
Wait, woah, wait! How do non-Americans pronounce ass-burgers?
But encephalopathy doesn't have a k in it.
Neither does "cat"
I just realized this whole arc of Stan and Kyle falling out is a reference to Matt Stone and Trey Parker’s burning out with the show itself and their relationship with each other
Gonna come out to defend American pronunciations here... if it's named after a person, Hans Asperger, then we are the ones pronouncing it properly. In German, G doesn't make the J sound you're using.
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This is the one video that is too close to home for my autistic ass so I won’t be watching it due to triggering content but just wanted to say I trust that you’re doing an amazing job with this topic but I can’t deal with the whole issue around Hans Asperger (the nazi it was named after) especially not right now.
Also I hate the way people just say ASD instead of autism as if Autism is just a bad word or something and stigmatising it so I can’t stand the term ASD either.
U sound extremely much like 3kilksphillip 😱
Thank you for that video. One of the most educated, balanced, and respectful talks about Autism i have seen online 😊
Ok yes, Nazis are bad obviously, but, can we all agree they make great doctors? 😅
it is an intresting patten, does this mean Nazism leads to increased intelligence? or is it that smart people like themselves some warcrimes
Autism isn't a disorder.
This whole video made me laugh, first of all, hyper sensitive about past scientists and physicians political ties despite scientific developments. Second his exact description of the human emotion called “sad” and yet continuously calling it depression like a fucking moron. There is no depression it was a term created to sell medicine to people who are healthy to get them addicted. Same as ADHD or ADD, trying to fix a non problem with drugs just for profit
Go with your conspiracies somewhere else
What's with all these "doctors" reacting to tv on RUclips? Don't they have work to do? Everyone just wants to be an "influencer" now.
it’s interesting who cares
day 23432 of knowing Too Much about Andrew Wakefield and Lou Fudenberg
I *hate* the assburgers pronunciation. It just automatically puts an insulting spin on the diagnosis.
WHERE'S THE B?!
As someone diagnosed with Asperger. I prefer Asperger to ASD. I am treated so much differently depending on which one I introduce myself as.