Using the Roland TD 17 Drum Module SUB Function
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- In this video, I explain how to use the 'SUB' function on the Roland TD17 Drum Module.
The SUB function enables you to 'layer' sounds on your drum pads or zones of your pads - an example I use in this video is combining a tambourine sound with a Hi-Hat sound.
You'll also discover how to switch from one sound to another depending on how hard you hit the respective pad.
You can use the SUB function with user samples you've imported - if you haven't yet imported user samples into your Roland TD17, you might find my 'How to import user samples' video helpful and can be found here: • Roland TD 17 - How to ...
If you have any questions, please let me know in a comment and I'll do my best to help you.
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Thanks for being here and thanks for watching :)
The TD17KVX is my first ever kit. I love it! This video is super helpful
Bought the TD17KV for Christmas for my son. Your videos have proven very helpful, thanks!
Hi Gareth - thank you for taking the time to comment, great that you've found the videos to be helpful. What a fantastic gift for your Son :)
thanks for sharing with others TD-17 owners your experience with the module.
These demos are better than Roland’s own. Thanks Dave.
You're welcome Gerald!, Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment :)
Best video format I’ve ever seen. Most videos are so rushed/fast, unless you are an expert in all the setup/uses of the module, you can’t follow it. Great job.
Hi Steven. Thank you for watching and thank you for your kind words. Nice to know my videos are still helping others :) Happy drumming!
@@davidmearsuk you are welcome. One question. If I want to layer two snare drum sounds it seems I can’t adjust the muffling, snare tightness/looseness etc. on the second one. Is that true?
David, I bought this for myself recently. I've always played acoustic so your videos have helped allot.
Hi Todd. Thank you for your comment, happy to learn that the videos have helped :)
Fade in - very useful. One application - select a fat sounding snare as your main sound. Then load in a bright rimshot snare in the sub layer. Have the sub layer fade in based on velocity. So the harder you play the pad, the more you hear the brighter, rimshot sample, while still hearing the original fat snare. This mimics real drums, where the harder you hit, the harder and brighter the drum sounds.
Hi Chris, hope you are well. Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment. That's great information that others (as well as me!) can now benefit from, thank you :)
Chris Whitten awesome Chris that is useful! Vdrums by their nature are difficult to make them feel organic by hitting them harder, this might be the trick!
@fartpoobox ohyeah That's how many modern records are produced though, with layers of samples each one adding part of the sound only
I've had this kit for like a year now and I've finally found out 😅
Awesome video and channel. Please do more vids. 🙏🏻They’re so helpful.
Hi Dave, my Roland td17 kv arrived. yesterday! Your videos are great and so helpful, thanks. 👍
Another really helpful video that helped me a lot. Thanks!
Thanks, General- Scoob. You're very welcome :)
Thank you thank you...just bought mine and you are a huge help..👍👏👏🙏🙏..Jim.hammond Louisiana
Hi Jim, thank you - happy to help :) Congratulations on getting your kit - welcome to the TD17 club! Hope all is well in Louisiana.
Hi, there. It's a very helpful video! Thanks! I hope to see more videos from you especially about how to adjust the volume of the drum and music(bluetooth or other connection) when recording the playing to the SD card.
Thanks for a very straightforward easy to follow video.
Fantastic Video 👌🙏🏼🤩🙌
0:18 you mentioned "to either a pad or a zone on the pade" what do you mean by "zone" do you mean the head versions the rim, or do you mean a zone on the head? this was not clear for me. great video by the way, thank you for doing this, David
Nice video. Thanks for posting this, David!
Thank you so much for these videos!
Hi Joseph B! You're very welcome, thank you for your comment and for watching :)
I would use the switch function to trigger ghost snare hits at lower velocity, with a full head snare sound when the snare is played harder.
great vid! personally i dont think i will ever use this function but nonetheless its a great feature to have
Thank you for your kind words jezusmylord and for taking the time to comment.
You, Sir, are awesome!
Great video David,have you messed around with pad settings.Like threshold and the others. I have the same kit and run it through a Simmons DA200s amp.Some of the pads seem to overdrive the amp. I would love to see you do a video on this if you have time.Thanks for all the help.
Hi John. Thank you for your kind words and taking the time to comment.
I've experienced a similar issue, mainly with the kick pad peaking my Tascam digital recorder. You've now given me good reason to delve deeper and create a new video, thank you :) As soon as time allows, I'll get started on it. All the best.
Can you do a similar video on adding effects. Thanks.
Off topic question: I bought the drum-tec downloadable kits (2 of them) and managed to get them imported into my TD17. Wow. This is what I thought I was getting when I purchased the TD17. SOunds are exactly what I heard in my head. Problem was, when I listened in my headphones, sounds great, when I came out the back to the module out of the L/R into my recorder, all the sounds sounded just lke the kits in the TD17. Digital, synthesized, like paper tearing. an underlying "shhttt" sound on every kit. I have tried to go in and turn off all reverbs, effects, diffusions, anything I can think of. But it's like a global effect has been placed in front of the L/R outputs. Does anyone know how to turn off this distracting effect? I had to record out of the headphone jack. I don't think the outputs are defective, it is a very subtle annoyance.
Did you find a solution to this?
Great Video! Thx :)
Great and informative video.
What´s the difference between Fade1 and Fade2?
Hello David.
How many samples can we stack, or layers, on the same pad for the Roland TD17?
Thank you for your answer and thank you for your explanations.
Great job!
Question. Say you have the tambourine set for header hits.
Now you are playing live, and RECORDING with your band.
How concerned would you be that you would accidentally hit too hard once or twice and get the wrong sound‽
Thanks!
Thanks Jim. For live performance or recording, personally, I'd assign a tambourine to the hi-hat head rather than use the sub function, but leave the hi-hat sample on the hi-hat rim. For my hi-hat technique, that would guarantee the respective sounds are triggered when I want them to be. Hope this helps.
Hey David, I have a TD-17KVX, I was wondering if I can select a different sub sound for the Rim of let’s say the toms, compared to the Head, I seem to have done it for the 1st Tom but I can’t figure out how to do it again, I don’t even know how I did it lol.
Hey there .. any tips for a new drummer with a new td17KL kit? Setup, mixing etc? Thanks
Hi. Do you have a guidance about enable crash cymbal with hand choke function?
Ok, I have a question, I’m setting up a “user kit” I’m putting an 18” China and a brass snare layered on the rim of one of the triggers. I successfully did that, now for one of the songs my band plays, I need the reverb knob on full blast, is there a way to program this to just that particular trigger layering without me having to 1) manually turn up the ambience knob each verse in the song, and 2)not having the ambience affect the entire hit? Advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Good morning David , could you explain to me how to correctly configure a CY13R cymbal on my td17, I can't get the 3 zones to work and I think that with the Sub function I could do it., I connect the RD and RDB cable but the cymbal is muted with a metallic sound , but if I change the the cable the zones work but the bell sound is in the edge and the head in the the bell.
Hi David!
Just got this kit and i'm wondering can you assign a splash etc. on the tom rims?
Nevermind, i should have read the manual more carefully :)
Hello!! I write to see if you can help me. A few days ago I bought a Roland Td 17 v-drum and I can not load different samples on the hi hat for when I close it and open it, could you explain how to do it? I'm not finding information about it to load samples with regards to open and closed hihat. I hope you can help me, thank you very much, I hope you are well.
Hi Groovers Estudio. Thank you for watching and for your question.
As far as I am aware, the TD17 Drum Module doesn't provide the option to assign a unique sample to the open hi-hat. On closing the hi-hat it seems to trigger the sample assigned to the head.
I can only see options to assign samples the head and/or rim of the hi-hat pad, but not specifically to the open hi-hat.
I can only assume at this stage that the TD17 'magically' uses the standard hi-hat samples to emulate the sound of an open hi-hat. As an example of this, I've found that it is possible to assign a hi-hat sample to the rim of tom 2, which automatically reacts to the opening and closing of the hi-hat without needing to make any changes to the settings.
Please, if you find a method of assigning a unique sample to the open hi-hat, post it here for others to learn from. Also, if you find that more advanced Roland drum modules offer the feature you'd like, it would be great to know that too.
Thanks again. All the best :)
David Mears this is the answer that Michael Schack has given me about loading samples of hh open and closed in V Drums Roland Td17:
Hi, the Roland HH open/close technology works only with internal sounds, as it uses multi layer cross velocity switches and MIDI cc control protocol. But you can layer any sound, also imported on top of both the bow and edge of the HH sounds. Grtz
Hi @@grooversestudio5831 Thank you for posting the information - it will be a great help to other TD17 owners :)
hello, so the original TD17KL ride cymbal (CY-8) can't produce bell ride sound right....
so basically can i use the CY-8 with dual sound layer ?
soft : ride sound
hard : bell ride sound
can i do that ? waiting your reply :) regards
Hi Zac. Thanks for watching and for your question. Apologies, I don't own a CY-8 however, I believe you can assign two samples to the pad? Not sure if velocity triggering can be used as well? If so, you could assign a bell sample in addition to the standard ride cymbal sound. Hope this helps.
I will be buying a TD-17kvx kit, I will be playing Christian songs, I’ve noticed that many recorded mixes sound very close to Nashville country drum mixes, could you recommend samples that would be close to Nashville drum samples?
Thank you
Gerry
Hi Gerry. Thanks for watching and reaching out. Apologies, but I'm unable to recommend specific Nashville drum samples. I recommend resorting to Google to see what you can find - probably best to contact the sample creators to ensure that they'll work on your TD17. Check out my other video for sample requirements if you haven't already. All the best :)
So sub sounds have no velocity response, then? That is, hit strength won’t make it louder ... Bummer.
can we make snare sound more bass for a particular preset kit and then save it for further use?
Hi Izmarit. Thank you for watching. Yes, you should be able to - I recommend creating a User Kit so that you preserve your presets. I found this video which should help you: ruclips.net/video/E7zId-cHRVw/видео.html
how to chymbel choke
can you import new songs? they only have like 5 of them built in.
Can you layer a snare sample on to another snare sample or a Tom kick etc
Hi Dennis. Thanks for watching. Yes, you should be able to using the process explained in the video.
@@davidmearsuk thanks David I'm currently playing a td11 and I'm very fussy about the snare sounds, there for if I'm able to layer the snare drum and get a decent sound I will consider buying the td17 over the strike, Thank you.
Why did you stop making videos?
Hi Jim! Hope you're well. Tim constraints unfortunately. Making videos is great fun, but doesn't pay the bills! Hoping to have more time at the end of the year :)