I've found over years that just jamming with a great general soundset is the thing to do. When I can set the levels of the kit pieces, and I like the kit, it's jam on. The TD-17 kicks it. I'm an owner of lots of top stuff, and I've sold my eighty guitars, my huge drumsets, my twenty basses and my three motorcycles for a moment of simplicity with all things of joy. I know this is personal, but it is something to consider. If I jam my ass off on a tune with the very first preset on the TD-17, I yell with joy.
Great review, I upgraded from the Alesis DM-8 to the Roland TD-17KVX. You hit the nail on the head, I ended up running mine into EZdrummer2 for my youtube covers. Overal I'm very happy with this kit
Cheers from Texas. Great video. Thank you for the post. I chose to buy this module to get more trigger inputs. I was told (and hopefully this is correct) that I can connect my TD-25 via the "Mix In" port on TD-17 to expand the trigger inputs. We'll see. If not I guess I'll have to buy a mixer I guess. p.s. - Hopefully you won't hate me when I say I'm a massive Chelsea fan. lol
Good stuff, thanks man! I'm moving from a 5 piece acoustic kit to edrums for home practice (and because, well, edrums are fun to play too) and just bought this module along with with a VAD kit. Thanks for the review, very well thought out and informative 👍
Good review, it's always nice to have an updated review vs rushed reviews released by bigger outlets. Have you had much experience using VST's on Windows vs macOS? I see macOS is used quite often for stuff like SD3 and people claim they have better latency vs Windows. Just wondering if this is true and if it's a software/hardware thing, or is this based on something that happened in the past but may not even be an issue today?
Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with MacOS at all so couldn't say. I use Windows myself and don't run VSTs that often for playing, I mostly use them for playing back captured MIDI for recording. Justin over at 65 Drums did a video recently about Mac vs PC for VSTs which could probably shed more light on the matter. It does appear from other people's reports that Macs just seem to be better with audio latency in general, but I'm only going off what I've read/watched so can only really direct to that.
@@thebookkeeper3508 Been running SD3 thru a Macbook Pro for the past year and it's great. Windows is very much unusable when it comes to triggering VSTs, the difference is night and day.
This video got me wondering, not sure if you would see this, but are you worried about the newer digital roland cymbals for the mid-lower end users? I just feel these USB inputs are going to become more and more common (albeit slowly) and roland will use it to vendor-lock you into their products. Also, a lot of older modules won't have it, so budget users will eventually be constrained and pushed into buying newer products that support them, even if it wasn't their intention. And one last point is the repairability, using the USB input suddenly makes it a lot more proprietary, you can't just buy a cheapo stereo cable when those USB inputs hardwired into the cymbal go bad.
Hi, you can split the midi in a DAW like Reaper. In the DAW split to each individual note out and every midi not on a seperate channel. There are youtube videos that show you how. I think td17 is a great module and i even use it Live..ive seen artist use it to, like micheal schack and i know uses it, though he does sound design for these module.
Yes, I'm aware of splitting MIDI in a DAW (I do it myself regularly on other modules) but I was more focusing on what's available inside the module. Definitely handy for recording individual tracks through the TD-17 though if you want to use the onboard sounds on a record. I also think it's a great module, it's just a shame there's a couple of things that stop it being a perfect module at this price point. You absolutely can use it live if you're happy to work around the limitations (or if they happen not to be a problem in your situation). Thanks for watching and weighing in :)
@@TheeDrumWorkshop keep up the good work, i like your channel.. Pretty sure Roland will have the next step up in kits soon. Wouldnt be supprised all digital kits, usb hihat and cymbals. I think they need to get a better out of the box sound though, realistic sounds like The Strike pro.. i think have have been taking notes after that Alesis strike pro module came out and took some of the market from them. But Roland make great rock solid stuff, but you pay for it.
Thanks! Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they eventually move to all digital, or at least more so for things like cymbals and (hopefully) the hi-hat, as you say. There's just more possibilities there, though the downside is being locked in. I agree on the quality/price and also on the sounds too, hopefully we'll see something more impressive on the next gen!
Ah, I think you've misunderstood the context of this (understandable, there's a bit of presumed knowledge of what's being referred to). I said in the review that it's only possible to record a stereo output through a computer with the TD-17 and the MIDI information, no multi-tracks. This reply is letting me know that it's possible to split the MIDI information in a DAW in order to allow you to feed the individual MIDI notes back into the module to record separate instruments (you would have to send the individual pads back one by one and record them in real time to do this). My reply was saying yes, I know that is possible but I just wanted to focus on what the module lets you do "in the box," as it were - but also acknowledging that it's a useful thing if you need to do it (though time-consuming). Hope that helps!
Hey! Yeah, effectively. You will basically need to record the MIDI, then split the MIDI into separate MIDI tracks containing the individual drums (or groups of drums if you prefer). Some DAWs have an option to do this automatically (it might be named something along the line of "split MIDI into tracks" or "explode MIDI"), on others you might need to do it manually by duplicating the track a number of times and deleting what you do not need from each one. Then you can send that MIDI back out into the TD-17 track by track, it will only play the sounds you're sending and you can capture each sound/group on their own track. It can be a bit time consuming as you will need to record every instrument in real time but it will give you more control over the final mix if recording the module sounds is what you want to do but you need more flexibility.
Hey Man great vid. I have a TD12, using 4 toms and 3 cymbals. Im looking at the TD17 would this be considered a downgrade ? Also when you say use the TD17 as an auxiliary, do you mean that is to expand the number of inputs so that I could add more drums/cymbals to the kit. Sorry for all the questions
Let me start by saying your video tutorial on how to mount anything to a Gibraltar cymbal rack was so helpful to me, it's the entire foundation my setup stands on "literally"... OK, so here is my situation. I have loaded up some user samples, and they are 808 style kick drums, they sustain for a bit, and remain in key. On my mid tom I have a loaded a user sample that is a kick in the key of B, and on the low tom a sample that is in the key of E. Is there a way to set it up where the mid tom pad mutes the low tom pad or vice versa? It's so the notes do not conflict. Also your video about hooking the TD-17 to a USB middi host was very helpful. Thanks for your time
Hey! I'm really glad it helped! If I remember rightly, there is no "mute group" feature on the TD-17. That is what you would need to make that work. On the 27 and 50X, there is a section for it under the kit menu where you can add different pads to different groups that will mute each other, but I'm pretty sure it's not in the 17. I'm not with my module to check but I don't remember seeing it, unfortunately.
Please always traveling the said module with case (or for better made a custom case for it). I chipped mine just a low drop from my drum throne. Other than that it serve me well though many live including quarantine streaming. Have a nice day and good health guys.
Lemon cymbals, definitely. I would imagine you can use the 2box triggers but I'm not super familiar with them so wouldn't want to say yes without looking into it.
the plastic thingy with sticky tape is probably made separate because you could stick it on the front of the module so you have a wider shelf for whatever you want to put there, i think.
I was wondering if it’s a good idea to buy a used td25 kit and then trading the td25 module for a td17 module so that I can have the td25 kit with the td17 module?
From what I remember, on the TD-17 you can't. It has XStick and rimshot on the snare (which can be activated using the XStick button and you can use the XStick Adj to set the point at which it swaps between the two) and only rimshot for the toms.
Hey! According to the drum-tec product listing for a replacement cable snake, it's the same! (Also the same for the TD-07, 9, 15 and 25.) Though if you buy a TD-17 new, it comes with one.
Thanks for your efforts Luke. I have just modified my rack to run the leads through the tubes and it was such a pain feeding the leads through. "First world problem", I know. Thanks again. Simon
Hi, great video with really useful tips - thanks! One problem which my son is encountering when recording with the module is that there is bass drum distortion, spoiling the overall recording quality. We have tested various recording levels without success. Could you please recommend a recording level for the bass drum which you have found works without distortion? Thanks for your help.
Haha brilliant! Yeah, I can see the advantages of the way it works - the flexibility and speed of taking it on and off is great (forgot to mention the speed thing, actually). Shame it wobbles a bit, or at least mine does.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop wait im gonna go wobble mine, it wobbles just up and down not left to right or you know up but to the celling or floor. I rarely move my drumset so i dont see this as a problem but i must say, first time i unboxed it, it did feel a bit cheap too.
It does, but only on the ride cymbal. It's the usual Roland 2 cable solution for the ride, so will work with pads like the CY-13R, CY-15R. The crashes are all 2 zone.
Nice review, I was wondering, if it's possible to disconnected the line in , from the main out? I want to send my monitor out to the line in, but afcourse only want to record the drums.
Hi Paul. Unfortunately the TD-17 doesn't have any routing options for separating the headphone mix from the master L/R, so everything that comes out of one also comes out of the other. It's one of the main downsides/limitations of the module, in my opinion.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop It's actually a deal breaker and had I known in advance I wouldn't have bought the module. Even for home use if you want to record its just customer harassment. Now I need to run an extra head phone amp coming from my mixer.
Looking to get one of these but given some of the limitations would doubling up with a tm6 (which a I could use with my acoustic kit I suppose) be a better set up? Thoughts?
Hi I really enjoy your videos I have been doing the E-kit thing for quite a few years now so I have a bit on knowledge myself ..I'm stuck on one thing I have a TD30 and I have a TM2 they are connected by midi Out from my TD30 to Midi IN to my TM2 and the sounds are then passed from the MR2 mono output to my mini mixer then into my TD30 it works great and I can assign 4 sounds or samples from my TM2 to any pad I want (I use this quite a bit in my live shows) ..I need a few more triggers 4 is just not enough and I was looking into a TM6 it has some great internal sounds and has a better sample rate than the little TM2 but and it's a Big Butt it only has a Midi Out WTF !!!!!!! I carry so much gear already for live gigs ..any idea how I could make this work an external Midi Box ???? I don't know much about them ....I had an SPD SX I loved it but it's just far to big I already have a big TD30 kit with extra Dauz pads ..any help would be great ..keep up the good work and the honest Reviews, much needed in the world of E-drums
I think it's a great module overall, but I do have a few complaints. Only the screen can be dimmed, but not the other lights, which are blinding in a darker room (can't read the printed labels.) A bigger complaint is the headphone port -- is it even amplified at all?! A shocking omission from something that costs so much. I guess they figured everybody is going to plug into a mixer, but I don't... maybe IEMs fare better?
One reason I have not bought one is the mounting options for use on a A/E style kit where I do not have a rack system, just regular cymbal stands. The fact that they run the snake out the bottom means you cannot even sit it on a table. If anyone knows of a good way to mount the TD17 to a cymbal stand please reply.
The TD-17 mount can be flipped to either point downwards or sideways, so it's a little more flexible than you'd expect. If you point it down, you can mount it into a cymbal stand that has a 7/8" (I think) hole. You could also have it sideways and use an adjustable multiclamp. Here's a video I did about replacing racks with stands that should contain the info you need - ruclips.net/video/u8yWwc2bpKk/видео.html
It sort of depends on exactly what you want, but in my opinion the TD-17 is better. It has better sounds (this will come down to taste) and it also has sample imports and Bluetooth for audio in which the TD-11 doesn't have, along with just being newer tech. Unless you found a TD-11 for a great price, I would personally go with the 17.
so, I bought my kit used, and do not have manual. I also discovered mine is missing the little tray for holding my phone/tablet. Yeah, kept wondering why the pad kept falling off. This is my first ekit, and the limitations you spoke of, especially the heaphone/master out... yeah, SUCKS!! The midi in hasn't been an issue yet, but will be in the not too distant future. My big problem so far is, and I'm not sure if this is typically the case, but is it normal to not have the ability to separate my input tracks into my daw, and actually use the sounds I've spent countless hours tweaking? It isn't readily apparent how or even if I can do this. I'm not incredibly experienced at much of anythng in this new venture, except just playing. I've got that down, but am learning edrums, and recording. If you or anyone reading this could tell me if it's possible to input my individual drums into StudioOne 4 without using sonething like SSD or Superior Drummer. I like those, can't afford toontrack, and not crazy about Slate or EZ. I just wanna record my drums, on more than 1 stereo trrack.
Also, is there a way to use MULTIPLE effects on individual kits? like -4 db of compressor, and -6 db of reverb on my snare, and different settings on my kick for example.
I just got rid of my TD 11 & im looking at the TD 17. What you said about the headphone output and master sharing same signal path kinda sounds like a bummer. Now im thinking the TD 27. Both seem great -not sure what to do -the 27 is like $700 more.
Yeah, it is a bit of a shame. It won't be a deal breaker for everyone - you can always use a separate headphone amp if needed which wouldn't be as expensive as the upgrade to a 27. The 27 does have substantially more features for the money, though. I ought to get to my "flagship user" review of the 27 module now that I've spent plenty of time with it.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Ya prob should not complain either way -Roland is putting nice stuff out for the $$. I do want to know how much better the digital snare and ride set up make, do you notice a big difference? in theory i feel like digital must be way better feel /response but i never played them, what you think? Are the ride and snare leaps and bounds better?
The digital snare and ride play amazingly well, yeah. The best pads I've used. However, I am using a very good internal side trigger for the snare on my Mimic along with a BT-1 for cross-stick and, besides the lack of positional sensing, it's really close. The Mimic doesn't do positional sensing and centre cone triggers can be pretty bad for hotspots (I've not used one that doesn't do that). So a good analogue trigger can get close, but the lack of hot spot on the digital snare, accurate positional sensing on the snare and ride and the feel of the ride cymbal still beat anything else at the moment.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop -- Ya I had a feeling you were going to say that. Im on a tight budget and I need everything, however today I purchased a TD-17 module and a KD- 9 kick . Totally excited to get this kit completed- Any recommendation on what I should do for a snare? I'm NOT getting a cage/rack. Going with stands/hardware instead.
For the 17, you don't really need to bother with a centre cone trigger as there's no PS. Means you can avoid the hot spot that way. If you're thinking budget, the PDX-12 is a pretty good shout. It can be mounted to a snare stand and it's pretty low cost, but still a reasonable size. It was brought out for the 17 so works well with it. If you want something a bit bigger or more solid, doing an A2E snare is always an option. Depends what's most important to you, really.
I understand, it's pretty awkward. But no, there's no kit between them. They've tried to align this generation now to all be "7" (apart from the TD-50). So in order of "lowest tech" to "highest" it currently goes - TD-07, TD-17, TD-27 then TD-50 is the current flagship. They all came out in a different order so there's some slight discrepancies between their capabilities, but that's the order of their intended market from beginner to pro. There are a few kits in some of the ranges and they're usually labelled K for the "lower" one, then KV, then KVX - though sometimes they don't follow that exactly either so it's worth looking at the pad setups if unsure. There's also the VAD line which they're treating as separate, but they run with the current gen "7" modules. The VAD306 uses the TD-17, the VAD503 and 506 use the TD-27. Hope that helps clear things up.
The TD-25 is from the last generation and is basically the last gen version of the 27. I was only really talking about the current gen. It's not a terrible module and some people still love it, but it's very limited for a mid-tier (can't assign different sounds to the rim zones of toms) and doesn't have many of the features that even the 07 and 17 currently have.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Great video! I have the TD-25 now, and just got a TD-4 for expanding additional pads. Thinking about the 17 to replace the TD-4, but after your last comment, would you suggest making the 17 my primary and my old 25 as the slave module?
@@briangannon71 Thank you! In regards to which to use as your "main" module, that really depends on which you like the sound of the most. If I was combining 2 modules in that way and I, for example, liked the snares and kicks in the 25 but the toms and cymbals of the 17, I'd plug those pads into those modules and mix the audio. Also, by "slave", are you referring to MIDI or just the prominence in your setup?
Just discovered your channel tonight via Reddit. Great video and channel content. But... with this video (haven't watched others yet), your editing makes it look like you never ever blink... it's a little distracting! Just an FYI... :)
Hi and thanks for the review. Did you know why the strainer settings doesn't work? I bought the VAD 306 and it comes with the TD 17 module, but if I try to change the settings for the strainer (snare drum) nothing happen.
Hey! The strainer function works, as far as I remember. Though the effect is pretty subtle - you can't turn it off entirely, and the differences between loose and tight are just a little bit of wire buzz sustain.
Yeah, it's unfortunate. The only decent way to do it is to use a sample and then layer it on top of a tom, using some modelling/tuning to get it to sit well. That's how I did it for my kits.
Its weird when I got the EDW heavy packs the tom1 tom2 tom3 has some king of ring like reverb while my newly added pdx8 as floor tom4 tru aux doesnt have this and sounds flat.. is there a way to copy EDW tom3 settings?
Hi! Thanks for your purchase and for getting in touch! Yes, the Huge 'N' Heavy kits were designed for 3 toms which means that the settings for the AUX pad's Ambience and EQ are optimised for the cymbals that I put on that input . If you change the instrument to a tom, you will need to adjust some of the other settings to bring it in line with the others. There is no copy option for these settings so you will need to do them manually. If you go into the respective menus and adjust them to the same values as Tom 3, they should come out sounding much closer. These include - OTHER > AMBIENCE (you'll need to open the Send tab, note the value from tom 3 then change the Aux value to the same) OTHER > MULTI FX (same process as the Ambience) OTHER > PAD EQ - again, swap the values to the same as Tom 3. You can swap between them by hitting the pads and adjust each Freq and Gain value to match I might have also used extra instruments on the SUB layer of some toms - I can't quite remember which. The best thing to do would be to check if the SUB layer is enabled on Tom 3 and if it is, try using a similar SUB instrument in the Aux pad and match the difference in tuning between the two layers, if that makes sense. I hope that helps. If you have any trouble with it, feel free to email me through the store with more details and I'll do what I can to help.
Hi! Great review! I would like to ask you something that happens to me and I do not see anybody speaking about it. I have the TD17 module on a VAD 306. When I import my own sounds, for example a ride cymbal, if I hit it twice then the second hit mutes the first, creating a really weird and unnatural sensation. Typical situation when hitting the ride alternating one hard and one soft hit in a groove. The soft hit does not overlap and mix with the first, but it kind of replaces it creating a drastic decay between the hard it and the soft one. I hope my explanation was clear enough so that you could give me an opinion of how to solve this. I was able to improve the performance by crating another sublayer but it’s not ideal. Obviously, this behavior does not occur with the preset the TD17 comes with. Thank you!
Hello i saw you have a VAD 306 - I have a TD17 KV and i love it., question how does your snare sound, do you get any hotspotting with that pad or your floor tom pad. im pretty sure those are 12 in pads and they look awesome and must feel great. im thinking about upgrading my PDX100 snare to the PDA120LS like yours. My snare has side a mount trigger so it has pretty good response, what trigger does your snare have? Side trigger or center cone or 3 cone triggers. Im pretty sure your toms PDA100L have the side trigger. just wondering what you think about your snare because im really thinking about getting one. Thanks
Hi Hernan. Really sorry I didn't reply to this so long ago, must have missed it. I don't know if you ended up resolving this, but the reason for that is that the default setting when importing samples is the "One Shot Mono" play type. This means that if the sample is played multiple times, the second version will cut off the first. If the second hit is a similar velocity it might not be noticeable but if it's really soft, this makes it sound really unnatural. The play type of the sample needs to be set to "One Shot Poly" to fix this. This allows multiple versions of the sample to overlap each other.
Just “downgraded” back the TD17….boy did I miss it. Might make a vid of my module journey and why it came full circle back to the TD17. Great little module and so perfect when all you really want to do is just sit down and play.
@fartpoobox ohyeah oh man…I started on a TD-17 then to an AD5 then to a Mimic then to a TD27 then to an EAD10 (still own and love) then to the DTXPRO and now full circle back to the TD17. It’s been a saga. Stay tuned for video of the journey
@@Garagedrummer are you still happy with the td-17? I'm currently using td-27 and kind of feeling like going back to td-17, but unfortunately I sold it and so can't really "try" it again anywhere lol
@@antondubkov I really like the TD17! The funny part is I am currently back on the TD27 so I could use the digital pads. Something special about the TD17 though. Not sure what it is. But the digital snare is next level so I’m gonna be on the 27 for a while.
You're not wrong, "budget" for eDrums is still stupid money. All low/mid modules should be built with better materials and feel more solid for the price, absolutely.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop exactly- why is build quality the first thing that forfeited for a ‘budget’ item cant cost alot to case the unit in a better feeling material surely!
you need to EQ or compress your dialogue a tad..maybe 150 to 500....The continuous clip edit and cuts become wearing after a short time... So then you turn down and acoustically somethings missing. I cut around 350hz allot and it was better and perhaps dynamically compress 100hz a little. Wont sound as good but will solve the problem area.... Or take longer rests from talking every 30 seconds or so.... I like your vids but tend to refrain from watching more than one these days and thought i,d pass this onto you....
Thanks for the feedback. This video is quite old and I had a pretty problematic mic, this was after I'd tried to salvage the audio that recorded terribly. Newer videos shouldn't have that issue. I personally think I've managed to do a better job of the edits in newer videos too, so you might find those an easier watch. It can be a bit of a struggle to try and balance the need to keep people's attention on RUclips and to fit in a lot of information and I definitely struggled with that in the past, so any feedback like this has helped shape my newer content. I hope it doesn't put you off entirely, cheers.
I own this module. I will say, it honestly sounds like complete shite, out of the box. The snares are horrid, as usual for Roland, in particular... Takes a LOT of editing, and I ended up using samples of SD3 snares, layered with internal sounds...Cymbals are good, kicks are ok, and percussion sounds are ok...
Good video. In the future can you move your camera up a bit while you record because your hands and arms make you look like a robot when you are talking, very distracting. I know you can't help it but it is very annoying to the viewer.
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Great flipping video !! 👏👏 16:51 - Midi Usb Superior drummer plugin trigger. 20:10 - The TD-17 a good trigger choice.
I've found over years that just jamming with a great general soundset is the thing to do. When I can set the levels of the kit pieces, and I like the kit, it's jam on. The TD-17 kicks it. I'm an owner of lots of top stuff, and I've sold my eighty guitars, my huge drumsets, my twenty basses and my three motorcycles for a moment of simplicity with all things of joy. I know this is personal, but it is something to consider. If I jam my ass off on a tune with the very first preset on the TD-17, I yell with joy.
There's certainly a lot to be said for just finding sounds you like and having fun! Glad the 17 module works for you!
Thanks so much for the review. my church just purchased one of these modules so this was a very helpful tutorial.
church! lol
Great review, I upgraded from the Alesis DM-8 to the Roland TD-17KVX. You hit the nail on the head, I ended up running mine into EZdrummer2 for my youtube covers. Overal I'm very happy with this kit
What programs do you use? I'm thinking about picking up a kvx
@@theradiantchild I use Presonus studio one as my daw. Then run Ezdrummer2 as a VST.
You CAN adjust the volume for the headphones seperatly..Keep looking its on it in settings..
I'm not sure that you're right there. Care to point out where?
The eDrum Workshop I will reply back when I'm at my drum set..
Great informative video as always, Luke! :-)
Cheers from Texas. Great video. Thank you for the post. I chose to buy this module to get more trigger inputs. I was told (and hopefully this is correct) that I can connect my TD-25 via the "Mix In" port on TD-17 to expand the trigger inputs. We'll see. If not I guess I'll have to buy a mixer I guess.
p.s. - Hopefully you won't hate me when I say I'm a massive Chelsea fan. lol
Good stuff, thanks man! I'm moving from a 5 piece acoustic kit to edrums for home practice (and because, well, edrums are fun to play too) and just bought this module along with with a VAD kit. Thanks for the review, very well thought out and informative 👍
Thanks. Great stuff, enjoy your purchases!
quite thorough and well done. thx
Cool channel!
Thanks man! I enjoy your content too!
Good review, it's always nice to have an updated review vs rushed reviews released by bigger outlets.
Have you had much experience using VST's on Windows vs macOS? I see macOS is used quite often for stuff like SD3 and people claim they have better latency vs Windows. Just wondering if this is true and if it's a software/hardware thing, or is this based on something that happened in the past but may not even be an issue today?
Thanks! Unfortunately, I don't have much experience with MacOS at all so couldn't say. I use Windows myself and don't run VSTs that often for playing, I mostly use them for playing back captured MIDI for recording. Justin over at 65 Drums did a video recently about Mac vs PC for VSTs which could probably shed more light on the matter. It does appear from other people's reports that Macs just seem to be better with audio latency in general, but I'm only going off what I've read/watched so can only really direct to that.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I usually check his videos out but missed this one. Thanks.
I have better latency on my Macbook Air compared to my more powerful Windows laptop.
@@thebookkeeper3508 Been running SD3 thru a Macbook Pro for the past year and it's great. Windows is very much unusable when it comes to triggering VSTs, the difference is night and day.
My phone case is too big to go in the phone holder, but it's the perfect size for a drum key or two.
I’m a newb to e drums after playing acoustic for 18 years. Does the aux input allow you to add a second bass drum? Thank you
One question, the td17 module has an audio interface just like the td07 module does or it doesn't have that function, thanks greetings from Peru 🇵🇪🥁🎧🎶
Hey! Yes, it does have that function! Like the 07, it needs the driver to be installed and it gives you a stereo output.
This video got me wondering, not sure if you would see this, but are you worried about the newer digital roland cymbals for the mid-lower end users? I just feel these USB inputs are going to become more and more common (albeit slowly) and roland will use it to vendor-lock you into their products. Also, a lot of older modules won't have it, so budget users will eventually be constrained and pushed into buying newer products that support them, even if it wasn't their intention. And one last point is the repairability, using the USB input suddenly makes it a lot more proprietary, you can't just buy a cheapo stereo cable when those USB inputs hardwired into the cymbal go bad.
Hi, you can split the midi in a DAW like Reaper. In the DAW split to each individual note out and every midi not on a seperate channel. There are youtube videos that show you how. I think td17 is a great module and i even use it Live..ive seen artist use it to, like micheal schack and i know uses it, though he does sound design for these module.
Yes, I'm aware of splitting MIDI in a DAW (I do it myself regularly on other modules) but I was more focusing on what's available inside the module. Definitely handy for recording individual tracks through the TD-17 though if you want to use the onboard sounds on a record.
I also think it's a great module, it's just a shame there's a couple of things that stop it being a perfect module at this price point. You absolutely can use it live if you're happy to work around the limitations (or if they happen not to be a problem in your situation). Thanks for watching and weighing in :)
@@TheeDrumWorkshop keep up the good work, i like your channel.. Pretty sure Roland will have the next step up in kits soon. Wouldnt be supprised all digital kits, usb hihat and cymbals. I think they need to get a better out of the box sound though, realistic sounds like The Strike pro.. i think have have been taking notes after that Alesis strike pro module came out and took some of the market from them. But Roland make great rock solid stuff, but you pay for it.
Thanks! Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they eventually move to all digital, or at least more so for things like cymbals and (hopefully) the hi-hat, as you say. There's just more possibilities there, though the downside is being locked in.
I agree on the quality/price and also on the sounds too, hopefully we'll see something more impressive on the next gen!
Ah, I think you've misunderstood the context of this (understandable, there's a bit of presumed knowledge of what's being referred to).
I said in the review that it's only possible to record a stereo output through a computer with the TD-17 and the MIDI information, no multi-tracks. This reply is letting me know that it's possible to split the MIDI information in a DAW in order to allow you to feed the individual MIDI notes back into the module to record separate instruments (you would have to send the individual pads back one by one and record them in real time to do this). My reply was saying yes, I know that is possible but I just wanted to focus on what the module lets you do "in the box," as it were - but also acknowledging that it's a useful thing if you need to do it (though time-consuming).
Hope that helps!
Hey! Yeah, effectively. You will basically need to record the MIDI, then split the MIDI into separate MIDI tracks containing the individual drums (or groups of drums if you prefer). Some DAWs have an option to do this automatically (it might be named something along the line of "split MIDI into tracks" or "explode MIDI"), on others you might need to do it manually by duplicating the track a number of times and deleting what you do not need from each one.
Then you can send that MIDI back out into the TD-17 track by track, it will only play the sounds you're sending and you can capture each sound/group on their own track. It can be a bit time consuming as you will need to record every instrument in real time but it will give you more control over the final mix if recording the module sounds is what you want to do but you need more flexibility.
This sounds like a good idea for a video.
Hey Man great vid. I have a TD12, using 4 toms and 3 cymbals. Im looking at the TD17 would this be considered a downgrade ? Also when you say use the TD17 as an auxiliary, do you mean that is to expand the number of inputs so that I could add more drums/cymbals to the kit. Sorry for all the questions
Let me start by saying your video tutorial on how to mount anything to a Gibraltar cymbal rack was so helpful to me, it's the entire foundation my setup stands on "literally"... OK, so here is my situation. I have loaded up some user samples, and they are 808 style kick drums, they sustain for a bit, and remain in key. On my mid tom I have a loaded a user sample that is a kick in the key of B, and on the low tom a sample that is in the key of E. Is there a way to set it up where the mid tom pad mutes the low tom pad or vice versa? It's so the notes do not conflict. Also your video about hooking the TD-17 to a USB middi host was very helpful. Thanks for your time
Hey! I'm really glad it helped! If I remember rightly, there is no "mute group" feature on the TD-17. That is what you would need to make that work. On the 27 and 50X, there is a section for it under the kit menu where you can add different pads to different groups that will mute each other, but I'm pretty sure it's not in the 17. I'm not with my module to check but I don't remember seeing it, unfortunately.
Please always traveling the said module with case (or for better made a custom case for it). I chipped mine just a low drop from my drum throne. Other than that it serve me well though many live including quarantine streaming. Have a nice day and good health guys.
Good idea! If I ever take it to gigs, I'll definitely be doing that! Thanks, stay safe!
Very informative. Can I use my 2box triggers and lemon cymbals with this module? Thanks
Lemon cymbals, definitely. I would imagine you can use the 2box triggers but I'm not super familiar with them so wouldn't want to say yes without looking into it.
the plastic thingy with sticky tape is probably made separate because you could stick it on the front of the module so you have a wider shelf for whatever you want to put there, i think.
Interesting!
@@TheeDrumWorkshop your observation about the mounting of the module made me thing that it could be an option to stick it on sideways, maybe.
I don't like the lack of phones volume, but you're going to need a mix from the desk in your inears anyway.
I was wondering if it’s a good idea to buy a used td25 kit and then trading the td25 module for a td17 module so that I can have the td25 kit with the td17 module?
I can’t figure out how to assign “rim click” sound on my snare and or tom rims?
From what I remember, on the TD-17 you can't. It has XStick and rimshot on the snare (which can be activated using the XStick button and you can use the XStick Adj to set the point at which it swaps between the two) and only rimshot for the toms.
Hi Luke, thanks for the video. Do you know if the serial connectors for the TD11 and TD 17 are the same? Thanks again
Simon.
Hey! According to the drum-tec product listing for a replacement cable snake, it's the same! (Also the same for the TD-07, 9, 15 and 25.) Though if you buy a TD-17 new, it comes with one.
Thanks for your efforts Luke. I have just modified my rack to run the leads through the tubes and it was such a pain feeding the leads through. "First world problem", I know. Thanks again. Simon
Hi, great video with really useful tips - thanks! One problem which my son is encountering when recording with the module is that there is bass drum distortion, spoiling the overall recording quality. We have tested various recording levels without success. Could you please recommend a recording level for the bass drum which you have found works without distortion? Thanks for your help.
Im not gonna lie i didnt know till now you can mount the module two ways and i have it for like year and a half.
I think the clip on way to mount it probably made to give it more portability when you move your drums a lot.
Haha brilliant! Yeah, I can see the advantages of the way it works - the flexibility and speed of taking it on and off is great (forgot to mention the speed thing, actually). Shame it wobbles a bit, or at least mine does.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop wait im gonna go wobble mine, it wobbles just up and down not left to right or you know up but to the celling or floor. I rarely move my drumset so i dont see this as a problem but i must say, first time i unboxed it, it did feel a bit cheap too.
Does this unit have three zone cymbals ? Like bell bow and edge
It does, but only on the ride cymbal. It's the usual Roland 2 cable solution for the ride, so will work with pads like the CY-13R, CY-15R. The crashes are all 2 zone.
I have the octapad-30 with one trigger to my kick bass. I can't get a punchy sound out of it. I tried both Mics and triggered.
Which drum module did he said can load vst drums
2box drummit 3 and 5
Nice review, I was wondering, if it's possible to disconnected the line in , from the main out? I want to send my monitor out to the line in, but afcourse only want to record the drums.
Hi Paul. Unfortunately the TD-17 doesn't have any routing options for separating the headphone mix from the master L/R, so everything that comes out of one also comes out of the other. It's one of the main downsides/limitations of the module, in my opinion.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop It's actually a deal breaker and had I known in advance I wouldn't have bought the module. Even for home use if you want to record its just customer harassment. Now I need to run an extra head phone amp coming from my mixer.
Looking to get one of these but given some of the limitations would doubling up with a tm6 (which a I could use with my acoustic kit I suppose) be a better set up? Thoughts?
Hi I really enjoy your videos I have been doing the E-kit thing for quite a few years now so I have a bit on knowledge myself ..I'm stuck on one thing I have a TD30 and I have a TM2 they are connected by midi Out from my TD30 to Midi IN to my TM2 and the sounds are then passed from the MR2 mono output to my mini mixer then into my TD30 it works great and I can assign 4 sounds or samples from my TM2 to any pad I want (I use this quite a bit in my live shows) ..I need a few more triggers 4 is just not enough and I was looking into a TM6 it has some great internal sounds and has a better sample rate than the little TM2 but and it's a Big Butt it only has a Midi Out WTF !!!!!!! I carry so much gear already for live gigs ..any idea how I could make this work an external Midi Box ???? I don't know much about them ....I had an SPD SX I loved it but it's just far to big I already have a big TD30 kit with extra Dauz pads ..any help would be great ..keep up the good work and the honest Reviews, much needed in the world of E-drums
I think it's a great module overall, but I do have a few complaints. Only the screen can be dimmed, but not the other lights, which are blinding in a darker room (can't read the printed labels.) A bigger complaint is the headphone port -- is it even amplified at all?! A shocking omission from something that costs so much. I guess they figured everybody is going to plug into a mixer, but I don't... maybe IEMs fare better?
One reason I have not bought one is the mounting options for use on a A/E style kit where I do not have a rack system, just regular cymbal stands. The fact that they run the snake out the bottom means you cannot even sit it on a table. If anyone knows of a good way to mount the TD17 to a cymbal stand please reply.
The TD-17 mount can be flipped to either point downwards or sideways, so it's a little more flexible than you'd expect. If you point it down, you can mount it into a cymbal stand that has a 7/8" (I think) hole. You could also have it sideways and use an adjustable multiclamp. Here's a video I did about replacing racks with stands that should contain the info you need -
ruclips.net/video/u8yWwc2bpKk/видео.html
Can I connect the td 17 midi out to my efnote 5 have efnote 5 pads plugged in to efnote but use the td 17 sounds or layer?
Thanks
Hello! Please fix the high s frequency on your talking audio! Anyway great review!
I've got a new mic since this video! Unfortunately can't edit these things once they're uploaded
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Oh nice! It's not too bad since this video is helpful anyway
which is better, td11 or td17?
It sort of depends on exactly what you want, but in my opinion the TD-17 is better. It has better sounds (this will come down to taste) and it also has sample imports and Bluetooth for audio in which the TD-11 doesn't have, along with just being newer tech. Unless you found a TD-11 for a great price, I would personally go with the 17.
What is the best roland module now?
I'd say the TD-50X personally, but of course it's also the most expensive!
so, I bought my kit used, and do not have manual. I also discovered mine is missing the little tray for holding my phone/tablet. Yeah, kept wondering why the pad kept falling off. This is my first ekit, and the limitations you spoke of, especially the heaphone/master out... yeah, SUCKS!! The midi in hasn't been an issue yet, but will be in the not too distant future. My big problem so far is, and I'm not sure if this is typically the case, but is it normal to not have the ability to separate my input tracks into my daw, and actually use the sounds I've spent countless hours tweaking? It isn't readily apparent how or even if I can do this. I'm not incredibly experienced at much of anythng in this new venture, except just playing. I've got that down, but am learning edrums, and recording. If you or anyone reading this could tell me if it's possible to input my individual drums into StudioOne 4 without using sonething like SSD or Superior Drummer. I like those, can't afford toontrack, and not crazy about Slate or EZ. I just wanna record my drums, on more than 1 stereo trrack.
Also, is there a way to use MULTIPLE effects on individual kits? like -4 db of compressor, and -6 db of reverb on my snare, and different settings on my kick for example.
Hey Michael - I didn't spot this one but I've responded on another comment thread!
I just got rid of my TD 11 & im looking at the TD 17. What you said about the headphone output and master sharing same signal path kinda sounds like a bummer. Now im thinking the TD 27. Both seem great -not sure what to do -the 27 is like $700 more.
Yeah, it is a bit of a shame. It won't be a deal breaker for everyone - you can always use a separate headphone amp if needed which wouldn't be as expensive as the upgrade to a 27. The 27 does have substantially more features for the money, though. I ought to get to my "flagship user" review of the 27 module now that I've spent plenty of time with it.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Ya prob should not complain either way -Roland is putting nice stuff out for the $$. I do want to know how much better the digital snare and ride set up make, do you notice a big difference? in theory i feel like digital must be way better feel /response but i never played them, what you think? Are the ride and snare leaps and bounds better?
The digital snare and ride play amazingly well, yeah. The best pads I've used. However, I am using a very good internal side trigger for the snare on my Mimic along with a BT-1 for cross-stick and, besides the lack of positional sensing, it's really close. The Mimic doesn't do positional sensing and centre cone triggers can be pretty bad for hotspots (I've not used one that doesn't do that). So a good analogue trigger can get close, but the lack of hot spot on the digital snare, accurate positional sensing on the snare and ride and the feel of the ride cymbal still beat anything else at the moment.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop -- Ya I had a feeling you were going to say that. Im on a tight budget and I need everything, however today I purchased a TD-17 module and a KD- 9 kick . Totally excited to get this kit completed- Any recommendation on what I should do for a snare? I'm NOT getting a cage/rack. Going with stands/hardware instead.
For the 17, you don't really need to bother with a centre cone trigger as there's no PS. Means you can avoid the hot spot that way. If you're thinking budget, the PDX-12 is a pretty good shout. It can be mounted to a snare stand and it's pretty low cost, but still a reasonable size. It was brought out for the 17 so works well with it. If you want something a bit bigger or more solid, doing an A2E snare is always an option. Depends what's most important to you, really.
Is there an kit in between this td17 and td27. It's so complicated to pick with rolands naming as i dont know whats old or new
I understand, it's pretty awkward. But no, there's no kit between them. They've tried to align this generation now to all be "7" (apart from the TD-50). So in order of "lowest tech" to "highest" it currently goes - TD-07, TD-17, TD-27 then TD-50 is the current flagship. They all came out in a different order so there's some slight discrepancies between their capabilities, but that's the order of their intended market from beginner to pro. There are a few kits in some of the ranges and they're usually labelled K for the "lower" one, then KV, then KVX - though sometimes they don't follow that exactly either so it's worth looking at the pad setups if unsure.
There's also the VAD line which they're treating as separate, but they run with the current gen "7" modules. The VAD306 uses the TD-17, the VAD503 and 506 use the TD-27. Hope that helps clear things up.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop what about the td 25?
The TD-25 is from the last generation and is basically the last gen version of the 27. I was only really talking about the current gen. It's not a terrible module and some people still love it, but it's very limited for a mid-tier (can't assign different sounds to the rim zones of toms) and doesn't have many of the features that even the 07 and 17 currently have.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Great video! I have the TD-25 now, and just got a TD-4 for expanding additional pads. Thinking about the 17 to replace the TD-4, but after your last comment, would you suggest making the 17 my primary and my old 25 as the slave module?
@@briangannon71 Thank you! In regards to which to use as your "main" module, that really depends on which you like the sound of the most. If I was combining 2 modules in that way and I, for example, liked the snares and kicks in the 25 but the toms and cymbals of the 17, I'd plug those pads into those modules and mix the audio.
Also, by "slave", are you referring to MIDI or just the prominence in your setup?
Just discovered your channel tonight via Reddit. Great video and channel content. But... with this video (haven't watched others yet), your editing makes it look like you never ever blink... it's a little distracting! Just an FYI... :)
Blinking is overrated! Noted, thanks for the feedback! Hope you enjoy the rest of the content, thanks for watching 🙂
I bought some of these, but I get an "Incorrect file" error when I try to load the samples.
Just in case you've not seen it, I replied on your other comment :)
Hi and thanks for the review. Did you know why the strainer settings doesn't work? I bought the VAD 306 and it comes with the TD 17 module, but if I try to change the settings for the strainer (snare drum) nothing happen.
Hey! The strainer function works, as far as I remember. Though the effect is pretty subtle - you can't turn it off entirely, and the differences between loose and tight are just a little bit of wire buzz sustain.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop I got in contact with Roland and today I made a video, to show them, that nothing change. More infos when they reply.
Exactly what you‘ve said. 9 steps from Loose to tight with a subtle effect - what a stupid function! And no snare drum with strainer off... 👎
Yeah, it's unfortunate. The only decent way to do it is to use a sample and then layer it on top of a tom, using some modelling/tuning to get it to sit well. That's how I did it for my kits.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks for the advice! 🙏
Why is it so hard to include click output routing options? People need the click on their headphones only and let the stereo out alone.
Its weird when I got the EDW heavy packs the tom1 tom2 tom3 has some king of ring like reverb while my newly added pdx8 as floor tom4 tru aux doesnt have this and sounds flat.. is there a way to copy EDW tom3 settings?
Hi! Thanks for your purchase and for getting in touch! Yes, the Huge 'N' Heavy kits were designed for 3 toms which means that the settings for the AUX pad's Ambience and EQ are optimised for the cymbals that I put on that input . If you change the instrument to a tom, you will need to adjust some of the other settings to bring it in line with the others.
There is no copy option for these settings so you will need to do them manually. If you go into the respective menus and adjust them to the same values as Tom 3, they should come out sounding much closer. These include -
OTHER > AMBIENCE (you'll need to open the Send tab, note the value from tom 3 then change the Aux value to the same)
OTHER > MULTI FX (same process as the Ambience)
OTHER > PAD EQ - again, swap the values to the same as Tom 3. You can swap between them by hitting the pads and adjust each Freq and Gain value to match
I might have also used extra instruments on the SUB layer of some toms - I can't quite remember which. The best thing to do would be to check if the SUB layer is enabled on Tom 3 and if it is, try using a similar SUB instrument in the Aux pad and match the difference in tuning between the two layers, if that makes sense.
I hope that helps. If you have any trouble with it, feel free to email me through the store with more details and I'll do what I can to help.
Hi! Great review! I would like to ask you something that happens to me and I do not see anybody speaking about it. I have the TD17 module on a VAD 306. When I import my own sounds, for example a ride cymbal, if I hit it twice then the second hit mutes the first, creating a really weird and unnatural sensation. Typical situation when hitting the ride alternating one hard and one soft hit in a groove. The soft hit does not overlap and mix with the first, but it kind of replaces it creating a drastic decay between the hard it and the soft one.
I hope my explanation was clear enough so that you could give me an opinion of how to solve this. I was able to improve the performance by crating another sublayer but it’s not ideal.
Obviously, this behavior does not occur with the preset the TD17 comes with.
Thank you!
Hello i saw you have a VAD 306 - I have a TD17 KV and i love it., question how does your snare sound, do you get any hotspotting with that pad or your floor tom pad. im pretty sure those are 12 in pads and they look awesome and must feel great. im thinking about upgrading my PDX100 snare to the PDA120LS like yours. My snare has side a mount trigger so it has pretty good response, what trigger does your snare have? Side trigger or center cone or 3 cone triggers. Im pretty sure your toms PDA100L have the side trigger. just wondering what you think about your snare because im really thinking about getting one. Thanks
Hi Hernan. Really sorry I didn't reply to this so long ago, must have missed it. I don't know if you ended up resolving this, but the reason for that is that the default setting when importing samples is the "One Shot Mono" play type. This means that if the sample is played multiple times, the second version will cut off the first. If the second hit is a similar velocity it might not be noticeable but if it's really soft, this makes it sound really unnatural. The play type of the sample needs to be set to "One Shot Poly" to fix this. This allows multiple versions of the sample to overlap each other.
Yeah i'm only using it as a middle man for ezdrummer 3. the old module we have is just giving up the ghost.
It's a great module for that!
Just “downgraded” back the TD17….boy did I miss it. Might make a vid of my module journey and why it came full circle back to the TD17. Great little module and so perfect when all you really want to do is just sit down and play.
Oh nice! Glad you managed to settle on what you liked the most. Definitely interested to hear what the reasons are for returning to it!
@fartpoobox ohyeah oh man…I started on a TD-17 then to an AD5 then to a Mimic then to a TD27 then to an EAD10 (still own and love) then to the DTXPRO and now full circle back to the TD17. It’s been a saga. Stay tuned for video of the journey
@@Garagedrummer are you still happy with the td-17? I'm currently using td-27 and kind of feeling like going back to td-17, but unfortunately I sold it and so can't really "try" it again anywhere lol
@@antondubkov I really like the TD17! The funny part is I am currently back on the TD27 so I could use the digital pads. Something special about the TD17 though. Not sure what it is. But the digital snare is next level so I’m gonna be on the 27 for a while.
Great verbiage and reasoning and allowance of diversity in thought, dude.
The TD-17-L stands for "lame"
I think you miss your barber : D
or the hairguy you know what i mean.
I do indeed know what you mean and I also do miss my barber 😅
@@TheeDrumWorkshop one of the perks of being half bald is 10 minutes with a electric razor and im again pretty like a flower.
‘Budget end’ £500 quid is alot of bloody money to be spending to have a ‘cheep feeling’ product in your hand!
You're not wrong, "budget" for eDrums is still stupid money. All low/mid modules should be built with better materials and feel more solid for the price, absolutely.
@@TheeDrumWorkshop exactly- why is build quality the first thing that forfeited for a ‘budget’ item cant cost alot to case the unit in a better feeling material surely!
you need to EQ or compress your dialogue a tad..maybe 150 to 500....The continuous clip edit and cuts become wearing after a short time... So then you turn down and acoustically somethings missing. I cut around 350hz allot and it was better and perhaps dynamically compress 100hz a little. Wont sound as good but will solve the problem area....
Or take longer rests from talking every 30 seconds or so....
I like your vids but tend to refrain from watching more than one these days and thought i,d pass this onto you....
Thanks for the feedback. This video is quite old and I had a pretty problematic mic, this was after I'd tried to salvage the audio that recorded terribly. Newer videos shouldn't have that issue. I personally think I've managed to do a better job of the edits in newer videos too, so you might find those an easier watch. It can be a bit of a struggle to try and balance the need to keep people's attention on RUclips and to fit in a lot of information and I definitely struggled with that in the past, so any feedback like this has helped shape my newer content. I hope it doesn't put you off entirely, cheers.
I own this module. I will say, it honestly sounds like complete shite, out of the box. The snares are horrid, as usual for Roland, in particular...
Takes a LOT of editing, and I ended up using samples of SD3 snares, layered with internal sounds...Cymbals are good, kicks are ok, and percussion sounds are ok...
Stock sounds are awful. Your patches make it usable.
Good video. In the future can you move your camera up a bit while you record because your hands and arms make you look like a robot when you are talking, very distracting. I know you can't help it but it is very annoying to the viewer.