About a decade ago I read an article about this subject, they went past William the Conqueror to his great grandfather Rollo the Viking. Rollo is said to have had many wives from before he converted to Christianity, and hundreds of children. Supposedly, It’s his Y chromosome, that is carried by most People of European decent. Also, why doesn’t anyone ever mention Ramses II ?
Because there is only a limited amount of time, and the number of rulers over the course of history who had many many descendants is staggeringly large (when you have billions of people over time, even the top .0001% is still thousands to choose from.
My maternal grandparents, both born before 1900 had 9 children who all had children. The total number of descendants today are: 461 (416 living, 45 deceased) .... My paternal grandparents, born before 1900 and in 1903 had 4 children. The total number of their descendants are: 80 (75 living, 5 deceased).
Women could also make the list by having sons who had lots of kids. Ghengis Khan's mother has more living descendants than her prolific son did, as she likely had other children who also had children
Was Charlemagne a direct descendant of King Xerxes I of Persia? King Xerxes I of Persia lived 1300 years before Charlemagne did and King William I was both a direct descendant of Charlemagne and King Xerxes I of Persia. 👑💍
Andy suggests that Abraham is mythical, because, I assume, that that is his belief. Everyone has their own beliefs, a belief being the acceptance that something is true or that something exists without direct and substantiated factual evidence to prove the belief. Andy and I both respect your belief that Abraham is real. I would hope that you could respect Andy's and my belief that Abraham is possibly mythical.
Mythical in the historic sense means something that has little to know sources (i.e. a single source like the Bible or an oral tradition) that can't be verified with other contemporary sources, and contains some fantastical elements or is paramount to a cultures development. Since genealogy is a historical study, I try to use historical language when appropriate. In this case, Abraham fits the criteria. It is not a judgement on the actual existence of Abraham, rather, a commentary that Abraham is an important figure and there simply isn't historical evidence to confirm his existence.
John... that's for making the request that people respect each other's belief. However, I didn't speak to my belief. I used the historian / scholastic use of the word mythical. I have shared that definition. I strive for a religiously neutral position on my channel which is why I use historical and genealogical terms rather than faith based ones.
In a Russian family, there was a woman who had 69 children, via multiple multiple births which is the record still in the Guinness book. Mrs Vasilyev? I will look it up and confirm (or anyone else can)
That Niall guy is a direct ancestor of every person who has Irish heritage, likely the ancestor of every person in the UK, likely the ancestor of every American in every demographic (Aka every European american, every African American, every Native American). All these groups are likely to have English and Irish ancestry from the colonial period. It would be far more rare for a person in the western world NOT to be descended from Niall
You are talking about Valentina Vassilyev and her husband Feodor. She is alleged to have had 27 births where each were multiples. There's no paperwork tho since they were peasants, so it's not proven it's claimed. Would be an interesting dna project! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Vassilyev?wprov=sfla1
About the mitochondrial Eve: If the most recently extinct mitochondrial line can be found, doesn't if just force the "current Eve" to yield her title to someone earlier to assume that position. Further question: How about DNA from Neanderthals and Denisovans? They must have separated from Eve's lineage much earlier. Is there any evidence that Neanderthal or Denisovan mtDNA could still be around? Or maybe the female Neanderthals and Denisovans were just prohibitively repulsive.
No Neanderthal or Denisovan mtDNA has been found which has lead researchers to believe that the pairing of modern human male with Neanderthal or Denisovan female resulted in sterile offspring, while the other way around didn't.
I am so sorry for the loss of your grandma, Andy. This video was interesting, but some parts of it were quite disturbing to me. At the moment, I am re-thinking my membership here.
You sent me an email and it has to do with the use of the word mythical. I hope that answers your questions. Thanks for discussing this with me in that format.
That policy (hate calling it that, it was cruel to a lot of girls) was implemented in 1980. It might affect a couple generations, but I know many families have had less kids with each generation since circa 1900. I know that's very anecdotal, but I'm with Andy.. that math (20 descendants) seems quite low.
I appreciate that you went off the beaten track with this video. I enjoyed watching the mathematical struggle, haha! My one issue is that you claim Abraham FROM THE BIBLE, is a "fictional character". The Hebrews (Jews) wrote the real Bible, Abraham is in said Bible, and although I'm a bit rusty with my Bible reading, I'm pretty sure there exists what I consider an incomplete genealogical record. I say incomplete because where are the daughters? I am fairly certain that not every man named had a son and so in some cases where it may say this father begat this son many generations of daughters in between are missing. It's always best to avoid the religious issues here on You Tube I think. I suppose if Abraham is named in the Bible and Jesus is also named in the same Bible then Jesus is also a mythical character?
I knew that the mention of him potentially being mythical would raise some hairs. Most people just assume that when the word “myth” is used it means false or incorrect. Scholars often use myth in a different context referring to traditional stories of early civilizations that often invoke the supernatural. In thinking about that definition I feel can apply to a number of stories found in scriptures. In short, someone can call something a myth or mythical, and yet it is still a true religious account full of symbolism, meaning, morality, and truth.
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About a decade ago I read an article about this subject, they went past William the Conqueror to his great grandfather Rollo the Viking. Rollo is said to have had many wives from before he converted to Christianity, and hundreds of children. Supposedly, It’s his Y chromosome, that is carried by most People of European decent.
Also, why doesn’t anyone ever mention Ramses II ?
Because there is only a limited amount of time, and the number of rulers over the course of history who had many many descendants is staggeringly large (when you have billions of people over time, even the top .0001% is still thousands to choose from.
It's finally happening...I'm no longer the only genealogist doing reactions!!! 🎆
We'll give this a try.
Re Genghis Khan’s Y-DNA (and Niall’s); wouldn’t all the descendants of his brothers also be passing on the same Y-DNA?
Yes, and his male cousins through his father's brothers, etc.
My maternal grandparents, both born before 1900 had 9 children who all had children. The total number of descendants today are: 461 (416 living, 45 deceased) .... My paternal grandparents, born before 1900 and in 1903 had 4 children. The total number of their descendants are: 80 (75 living, 5 deceased).
Women could also make the list by having sons who had lots of kids. Ghengis Khan's mother has more living descendants than her prolific son did, as she likely had other children who also had children
Was Charlemagne a direct descendant of King Xerxes I of Persia? King Xerxes I of Persia lived 1300 years before Charlemagne did and King William I was both a direct descendant of Charlemagne and King Xerxes I of Persia. 👑💍
Why do you call Abraham Mythical?
Andy suggests that Abraham is mythical, because, I assume, that that is his belief. Everyone has their own beliefs, a belief being the acceptance that something is true or that something exists without direct and substantiated factual evidence to prove the belief. Andy and I both respect your belief that Abraham is real. I would hope that you could respect Andy's and my belief that Abraham is possibly mythical.
Mythical in the historic sense means something that has little to know sources (i.e. a single source like the Bible or an oral tradition) that can't be verified with other contemporary sources, and contains some fantastical elements or is paramount to a cultures development. Since genealogy is a historical study, I try to use historical language when appropriate. In this case, Abraham fits the criteria. It is not a judgement on the actual existence of Abraham, rather, a commentary that Abraham is an important figure and there simply isn't historical evidence to confirm his existence.
John... that's for making the request that people respect each other's belief. However, I didn't speak to my belief. I used the historian / scholastic use of the word mythical. I have shared that definition. I strive for a religiously neutral position on my channel which is why I use historical and genealogical terms rather than faith based ones.
There was a good 2002 book you may like, The Seven Daughters of Eve: The Science That Reveals Our Genetic Ancestry, by Bryan Sykes.
Read it about 10 years ago. Along with some of his other books.
Can you recommend a book/resource on population dynamics ?
In a Russian family, there was a woman who had 69 children, via multiple multiple births which is the record still in the Guinness book. Mrs Vasilyev? I will look it up and confirm (or anyone else can)
That Niall guy is a direct ancestor of every person who has Irish heritage, likely the ancestor of every person in the UK, likely the ancestor of every American in every demographic (Aka every European american, every African American, every Native American). All these groups are likely to have English and Irish ancestry from the colonial period. It would be far more rare for a person in the western world NOT to be descended from Niall
Is it true that all Europeans are directly descended from King Xerxes I of Persia? 🎭🩰🎨
23 and me told me lm decended from nlal of the 9 hostages. lm currently plottlng my plan to reclalm my throne
Awesome!
I remembering hearing a lady had 69 kids in 1700s
You are talking about Valentina Vassilyev and her husband Feodor. She is alleged to have had 27 births where each were multiples. There's no paperwork tho since they were peasants, so it's not proven it's claimed. Would be an interesting dna project!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feodor_Vassilyev?wprov=sfla1
Oh, wow
Happily standing by on Drummond Island.
Awesome.
We are all descended from a Neanderthal who lived somewhere in the Middle East. He had a big spear.
The one woman documented to have had the most kids was a Russian woman that had 50+ children, having had multiple twins and several triplets.
I have heard about one in South America (who was having kids in the late 20th century) who had 30 +.
About the mitochondrial Eve: If the most recently extinct mitochondrial line can be found, doesn't if just force the "current Eve" to yield her title to someone earlier to assume that position. Further question: How about DNA from Neanderthals and Denisovans? They must have separated from Eve's lineage much earlier. Is there any evidence that Neanderthal or Denisovan mtDNA could still be around? Or maybe the female Neanderthals and Denisovans were just prohibitively repulsive.
No Neanderthal or Denisovan mtDNA has been found which has lead researchers to believe that the pairing of modern human male with Neanderthal or Denisovan female resulted in sterile offspring, while the other way around didn't.
I am so sorry for the loss of your grandma, Andy.
This video was interesting, but some parts of it were quite disturbing to me. At the moment, I am re-thinking my membership here.
You sent me an email and it has to do with the use of the word mythical. I hope that answers your questions. Thanks for discussing this with me in that format.
You're welcome, Andy. Thank you for your response to my email. I have responded and have renewed my membership.
Thanks again. Have a blessed day.
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In reference to China 20 descendents there was a one child policy. Could it have an effect?
That policy (hate calling it that, it was cruel to a lot of girls) was implemented in 1980. It might affect a couple generations, but I know many families have had less kids with each generation since circa 1900. I know that's very anecdotal, but I'm with Andy.. that math (20 descendants) seems quite low.
Correct, that policy was implemented too late to really have such a significant effect on the population.
It’s funny that you assume # birth certificates = # descendants. 🤣
I don't assume that at all. I only assume that # birth certificates = documented evidence of # of descendants.
I appreciate that you went off the beaten track with this video. I enjoyed watching the mathematical struggle, haha! My one issue is that you claim Abraham FROM THE BIBLE, is a "fictional character". The Hebrews (Jews) wrote the real Bible, Abraham is in said Bible, and although I'm a bit rusty with my Bible reading, I'm pretty sure there exists what I consider an incomplete genealogical record. I say incomplete because where are the daughters? I am fairly certain that not every man named had a son and so in some cases where it may say this father begat this son many generations of daughters in between are missing.
It's always best to avoid the religious issues here on You Tube I think.
I suppose if Abraham is named in the Bible and Jesus is also named in the same Bible then Jesus is also a mythical character?
I knew that the mention of him potentially being mythical would raise some hairs.
Most people just assume that when the word “myth” is used it means false or incorrect. Scholars often use myth in a different context referring to traditional stories of early civilizations that often invoke the supernatural. In thinking about that definition I feel can apply to a number of stories found in scriptures. In short, someone can call something a myth or mythical, and yet it is still a true religious account full of symbolism, meaning, morality, and truth.
Genghis Khan DNA should be all asians especially in Mongolia and China. Because every ruler had average 40-70 children.
That's a plausible theory.
What a hoot
Glad you liked it!
@@FamilyHistoryFanatics Decendency DNA is still finding its way in our family history.
More than one wife also in China in 1492.
Some rulers in China had many, many wives and concubines.
I am not a fan of such reviews of someone else's work. No
Thanks for your input. I was asked to give this a try. However, I thought this was fun to add more to the convesration.
This is how science works...