Demon PLAY (De+Oe)
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My motto as a play-laster is "I don't like fun"
fun doesn't like you either
My motto is "I don't know how to foc- Oh! A butterfly"
Dude, this is so true. I'm sleep last and I'm aways like, hey tribe let's do this, it would be fun!
Frank: you a fellow Ni/Ti ???...
No he is an infp
People in conversation with me are trying to play ping-pong, but I only know how to play solitaire.
I LOVE THIS
Relatable
Ooo i know both but prefer solitaire.
I just like people who tell me that sleep is my personality.
Far as I know, I have double-masculine Sleep, so my inner world is fiery and restless. I guess you could say... Sleep never rests?
Sleep is your personality
I think I'm Play last and I've ALWAYS said "Work smarter, not harder". It's honestly liberating to hear "you're never going to be able to work with the boundless energy of your extroverted heroes". I literally beat myself up for not being like Alexander Hamilton lmao, writing day and night like he's running out of time... Some of us just gotta write one extremely convincing essay instead of a set of 51, I guess.
I resonate with all of thissss
I want to be an author someday, but I can never bring myself to just. WRITE.
To me, Play = "Do" energy, Blast = "Talk" energy. Really makes sense when having both demons, but having Play over Blast, where playing a game of basketball or running for 20 minutes is less exhausting than doing a speech or monologue to someone for 20 minutes. Also, I find Play energy can actually being energizing sometimes when used at the right time, but Blast energy is ALWAYS exhausting, no matter what.
Yeah I think monologue is hard but pinging of ideas is easier. Talking and then cheking up on them (Do you agree or are you following, what do you think?). Also telling people what to do or controlling them is much more exhausting than being playful, teasing. It's always so annoying and pretty much do it only with close people. I think I have play third and blast last.
funny you say that! I have blast third and play fourth and to me giving a monologue of something I know thoroughly is energizing, I almost always want to keep talking and feels weird when others interupt the flow (My consume first chanel changes immediately)
whereas if someone where to ask me to play a sport I'd 10/10 times reject the offer, lol... If i'm going to play a sport, I have to have a reason (like loosing weight or gaining muscle) and It better not be a team sport (I only swim, run, jog or go to the gym by myself)
How interesting
You two always brighten my day.
The last part was so relatable I lost it 😂😂😂
I love watching you guys interact, it's great!! I'm crying lol
I am an INTP and I have to expand energy to get a good night sleep. I have to walk 12 miles to the gym and walk 12 miles back home, by then I am exhausted, feet hurting and that is the only way I know how to drain all that energy.
I am playful but because of that I just get disrespected by most and don't end up getting what I want which is banter with someone that has quick wit, or someone who I can have a brainstorming session with. I realized you can't be playful with everybody especially dumb people.
I have sat in my car anxiously thinking about going in to a night club but I took care of that by feeling the energy in my body and pretending that I am pushing it down my feet and grounding it or grounding my self.
Intp banter is awesome! Love the wacky and witty style. My best is an intp, I'm an infp. Definitely can relate with the playfulness, and also sore feet! My feet always get so sore!
Your case is weird, sleep is recovery, but not just physical, mental too (well, the brain is a physical thing too) I sleep well even without doing much exercices. Anywya, INTP too, and I can't relate (Also, because you're going to the gym, you actually have more energy too, so there's a bit of a vicious/virtuous circle here, depending on your objectives...)
The disrespect is due to our Se PolR in socionics. We don't occupy space like Se types do, we don't that "posturing", we don't play the mini-powergames (think staring people in the eye, the handshakes ? As stupid as it looks, it's actually important), we don't engage in the chatter with bodylanguage... That last one is why we are stereotypically "oblivious"
We've got to work on being more "present", more "aware", more in the "here and now."
@@c.k.g. maybe that's why intp and infp make a great couple.
That's same problem but I figure that with me is that I don't get have choices or explore when I with people that I know so I'm feeling anxious I plan a day in which I can burn all of my NE+FE by exploring local places and talking to new people. It does wonders.
Lately though I notice when the choices are either denied or become controlled or whenever I try doing a small nice thing that end up being taken advantage of, I get extremely cross and get into demon fe state.
Haha that last thing about sitting in the park is soooooo my INFJ-brother hahaha!
BRO my INFJ sister does the same thing, before she goes anywhere she always has to sit in the car quietly for like 8 minutes thinking to herself 💀
INTJ 52-year old female here. I definitely have play last. I just can't keep up with housework, yardwork AND all my projects that I want to do for my business and passion projects (which are MANY). It's kind of embarrassing that everyone else seems to have more energy than me. I'm healthy and all. I just always figured it's because I'm an extreme introvert. I always am trying to preserve my energy and I actually become resentful of people wanting to do stuff with me (of course I don't blame or tell them that). But like if my ESFJ stepmom calls me too often, inside I get really pissed because it's interfering with my precious alone time and I really feel like it's damaging to me and stealing something vital to my well-being away from me. I finally had to work that out and I did. It's all good now but that was a big struggle.
Crazy how much I relate to this as an 18 year old INTJ male. It is relieving though because I feel like I’m starting to gain clarity of my weaknesses and being more in tune with the more practical and helpful areas of the mbti world. It’s interesting because I am introverted in the sense that I’m a heavy sleep, but not socially. Once I finally take the time to put myself in a social environment, I can look like an ESFP with the people I’m comfortable with.
My ESFJ mom calls me too often too.
I understand your point, but I still wanted to say... you are very likely to be just tired, in a normal and natural way. You're doing a lot. You just can't socialize much maybe, but you don't seem low-energy at all to me (from this description; maybe you are in real life).
Most people I know work, maintain 1 apartment, watch shows/play games and sometimes meet friends and not a whole lot more. Only the very energetic (and motivated) ones I know do maybe close to the amount of stuff you do.
In any case, you're truly impressive! I wish I can one day get to your level.
It isn't that I don't LIKE play. I just don't have common interests with the general "tribe". They bore me, and I bore them, so there is little desire or interest to interact in a meaningful way. It is awkward, and involves a lot of effort to find the common ground. When the tribe values and interests mesh with mine, play is great. play play play. But usually, there is nothing being offered for me, and what I offer is not being well-received either. Just the way it is. Good thing it isn't all that important to me, usually (I'll just consume and ignore the tribe concerns). I like blasting because the other is there to receive it, but I am not really there expecting to get much out of it. It is the conflicts that arise from differences in values and interests where the trouble lies and the low play demon strikes. Nothing sets me off like when I offer up a thought and get smacked back with "who cares?". Well, I care, obviously, or I wouldn't have said anything.
This animal stuff is way more relatable than the other stuff, would introduce someone to mbti through this
What are some strategies for deciphering the order of your animals?
Clearly seriousness is fun. The reason I start to reason about what we're doing? It's fun. Clearly all the playful extroverts should realise it is fun. But they just don't. And I just can't stop making observations. My brain automatically thinks it's fun, and then someone else goes at me like a sledgehammer: 'STOP KILLING THE FUN. If I have to think about it it isn't FUN!'
Would you ever be able to make a video sharing how to work on/improve some of these demon animals (other than with practice)? Right now, as Blast-last and SC-dom, I'm struggling in a class where discussion is graded + I'm in a room with tons of Blast-Play energy students, so I get talked over before I have a chance to even process the information. I'm trying to prepare questions beforehand and really master the material for more "preparedness."
-- If anyone has any tips, I'd love the help.
Hm. Have you consider maybe instead of preparing specific questions, construct, and look out for, patterns of types of questions? I had to do this in a class were we needed interviewing skills. Also, interviewing skills! You could put that in a search engine probably get something useful. Might help you bounce things off people more. And you could work on your speaking voice too, there's plenty of video on YT about that. What is you type?
@@c.k.g. Well, as long as I contribute to the topic I'm counted, so if I bring up questions that I have about the text, it might be easier than me trying to think on the fly when everyone else is much faster than me. I don't fear public speaking, but my mind is literally too slow-- too thorough to process and answer quickly.
I'm a self-proclaimed (unofficial) Ni/Ti.
@@johnnyjones7885 yeah, I get what you mean. It's like me and math, I can do it just fine, I'm quite good too, I just take a while to get there and I can't keep up with with class discussions. Well, I'm not sure how to help, but good luck! Sometimes taking longer to process doesn't make those kinds of situations easy, but when you do finally come to a conclusion it's a real jem!
Hey Johny, I’m a CS dom too at a business school: I know the struggle 100%! Daily meditation helps me energize my demon functions a lot. I’d suggest you take the time to spend sleep energy in a calming activity before blasting. Also when I’m in a setting where I have to blast I take notes which helps me process things faster. If you’re an Ne dom like me, don’t be afraid to improvise your points; we get better at it with time & practice.
Also, just like Dave & Shan said, don’t spend energy excessively like P doms. Scheduling your days to get a maximum of rest is very helpful too
The only time when I entertain my demon Play is when I occasionally jump into the mosh pit. But only if I don't have to go to work the next day. That's why it's difficult for me to hang out with other people I meet at metal shows, because a lot of them have savior Play. I go to shows and stand at the front to Consume.
Eugh
Oh god
No, I’m play last.
I HATE working in a team
I HATE constantly adapting to the chaos of the tribe (I work in a kitchen and the adjustment period for that was so bad)
EP here. Super low energy
ENFP with Play last here. Relatable.
Demon play/blast. @whee! Lowest energy ever!
Same!!!
In tears!!
I relate to Dave a lot. Oh my Ni.
Play last when the sun goes away, but play first at the beach or in the warm weather!👍🤙
I now take my time in my car but I had basically the same reaction for a while. Having a comfortable vehicle helps.
Dave is all talk...I'm all movement
Do you know C.S.Joseph and if yes what are you thinking about his content and interpretation of Jungian Psychology?
3:35 you can tell there was a joke about people with play last having no friends edited out here KekW
I think l have play first or maybe consume. Work has to fun or l hate it, or l just hide and consume DSP videos.
I was like no no i don't do anything like this NOPE! Then brain is like no, let's go back to when i go out shopping and i do EXACTLY LIKE THIS @_@ 😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️
I think jumping between your Play/Consume might be helpful, if you can even think about it really. Somehow incorporating both of your Deciders. For example, lead-Fi and subordinate-Te; acting out how you feel. I can't say whether you should consider it a synthesis, say Ne+Te+Fi, or more of a delicate balance between (Di+Oe) + (De+Oe). But I do feel that is where I yield the best results or when people seem to think I show "extra."
Personally I am a big believer in the dialectic approach. I'm talking Carl Jung & The Spirit, Alan Watts and all that (I mean Hegel is cool, don't get me wrong). "The next level" is always the 3rd variable. Tertiary thinking. What is the 3rd step? What is the 3rd option? I'm sure that has a lot to do with my fear of control but I also find it to be a pattern more universal than my own selfish being. I sometimes think of it as the thing that binds the two others. Like in spirituality, The Spirit is what unifies both The Left and The Right Hand.
In a way I guess I'm also trying to guess how the other person feels and then compare that to how I might feel if I were them. That's how I most positively interact with others. A seemingly constant exchange of 3 functions, not 2. idk.
Can you clarify something-do the two dominant functions determine which animal is "last", or is the order of the animals independent of which functions are dominant? For example, do all INTPs with Ti/Ne have Play as their last animal *specifically* because Ne is dominant over Si? Or is the order of the animals decided by something else? Thanks!
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No, actually! The rules for animals are that the opposite ones (Consume & Blast, Sleep & Play) cannot be consecutively first and second, but apart from that, anything goes! The second animal in the stack always has one of the Savior functions, even if it’s the second Savior function. So a Lead-Consume Ti/Ne can even have Play second, since Play still uses their Savior Ne. But if that Ti/Ne were actually Ti/Si (with lead Sleep) then Play would automatically be third or last, and it would be a demon animal.
As an NF i really appreciate the straight facts and examples that shan provides, but it doesnt even help me understand. I need analogies for my inner whiteboard!! nice vid tho love the content
Thank you for another great video!
I agree with a lot of what you say but not everything.
I have some ideas myself about the functions and tried to put it on paper and improve it.
It worked quite well but it doesnt mean much.
I still think its a interesting project to work on and I hope that you will keep your interest in it
I come from the Land of Pears. Pearadise some might say. I say Paradise is in Carbon County right next to the intercourse of Sect and Vitality. I've never seen a pear in my old townshite.
So is my ability to wake up and be life "I'm going to work out right now" and then do it before I eat, drink, or anything me having okay as first or second?
ISFP (I think) here lol
You two date?? LOL what fun!!!!
How can Sleep first be productive?
Elon Musk is believed to be Sleep first.
Play last people don't invite ourselves to parties.
I have same of dave fears about store or take care of something broken , i just freak out like little kid haha how silly that something very normal like this scare us , this happens when ESFJ ask me to do it
INTP's - INTJ's - ENTP's have something common when it's come about this , but the difference here is this
ENTP - INTJ freak out when others ask them to do something like this , but if they are alone they will take care of this problem , it's important for them to think about it
INTP don't freak out (that much) if others asked them , still they hate it , but if they are alone , they just ignore something like this as much as they can and replaced with something work temporary for them , anyways this not major rule but a lot of these types have this similar behaviors.
I love play :D
How does one know the sequence of animals? I thought we all have only one animal for example INTP would have Ti-Ne (consume) or Ti-Si (sleep)
The only rule on how to sequence the animals is the opposite animal can't both be your savior. So you can't be sleep play or blast consume etc..
C: Fi/Ti + Se/Ne
S: both introverted functions
P: both extroverted functions
B: Si/Ni + Fe/Te
(Applies to all types)
@@ladidada2404
This I understood. My query is, for example INTP is Ti-Ne or Ti-Si, so an INTP person will have only one animal, right? How does it become a sequence then?
@@VisibleMRJ
That is true, but any person should have only one animal, no?
Nachiket Pargaonkar For the INTP with lead Ti and Si, the first animal will automatically be sleep. Following the “coin” logic, S/P can only come in these sequences: SxxP or SxPx. Similarly B/C can only come as xBCx or xBxC. When you combine them it gives 4 different possibilities, which are 4 different INTPs who process info (C+B) and interact with the tribe (S+P) differently from one another. Hope it’s clear 😂
In the moments I jump before thinking things through, really bad things happen. i jumped in my truck in the garage and without thinking, quickly turned it on, backed out and ran over and killed my cat. just one example, sleeping on things first ensures a better outcome for me.
one question : if animals are the natural way in which the brain expends energy , not all brains are the same so someone can be naturally more "energetic" that somebody else in the sense if a "energetic" guy has blast third he could blast the same as a very very "limpy" guy who has blast first? did you saw something like this? or am i clumping togeter animals and common sense ?
Can you balance the system? I'm probably lead consume, then I crash into sleep, so there's no energy for blast or play ever. But if I stop consuming, then maybe there will be energy for blast and play? Does it work like that?
Ok. I think I'm Play 3rd. I don't actually blast. I brain dump on people which is an extension of my sleep. I'm not great at play but I don't even blast at all. It's weird cause I'm an extrovert and an ENFP. But I'm so consume sleep.
one does not simply: go to the store
That is so me! But I don't know if I'm play third and blast last or blast third and play last.
Same. I'm Consume Sleep ENFP. No clue if play third or blast third.
@@spannycat2 Now I think I've figured this out. I came to the conclusion that I'm Blast last because it's way easier to me to deliver a knoledge that I already have organized in my head than playing with new ideas with other people. I prefer to consume and process the information all by myself, and then presenting the final plan to the tribe, brainstorming is the last thing I would wanted to do.
Also, it's way easier for me to talk when I know what I have to say, when I have everything prepared. Improvising is definetely not my thing.
@@josehenriquefs888 Hmm.... I think I don't really have bouncing convos with people. I tend to ask questions and listen. Or I do sleep processing outloud via self-awareness talk or brain dumps. I guess Im blast third because of brain dumps. I'm somewhat of those "know-it-all" ISTJ subconscious ENFPs. I think my Ne-Te play is not very good.
I suck at play. I'm in school and work.but it's hard and takes alot of will power to do it. I only go to school half time because I don't have the energy to do full time school on top of work I'm also in a band on Saturdays so yeah play is tiring and getting up on time hard and I usually wake up late
Gotta pace myself. (ISTP)
Is INFP double observer? I definitely have play last. I literally hate getting ready to go out - so I’m a homebody.
Me watching this after being typed low-play 😆
"play"should be called "working with the tribe" since it's not necessarily containing play.
I'm completely shut down & observing.
Until I feel a connection (contraband or not LOL) with something/someone/someone something.
Then it's *WHEEEEEEEEE.*
And subsequently hate myself in an undisclosed location &/or duration.
*What tf does that mean & how tf can I fix this* ?
Is someone with Play first always outgoing and energetic and loud? Because I'm almost certain my bf is Fe/Ne or Ne/Fe, but he's not constantly on the go. He would call himself an extrovert, and he can get really loud and enthusiastic when he is doing something he loves (like gaming or mucking around with friends) but a lot of the time, he is just consuming information. He is constantly reading and watching documentaries. He probably spends several hours a day online, gathering ideas, opinions, news and information (Consume). What's going on here???
It may be that you have him typed wrong and that he is Consume over Play. He would still be extraverted (as an EP Consume), but just not extraverted as extremely as a Play dominate.
Do you think he could be an Ne-Ti?
@@alexchaney8916 He is quite similar to a standard ENTP, especially because his Ti is Masculine and extremely stubborn, but no, I'm quite sure now that he is Fe/Ne.
Is it possible to have Play and then Sleep be the 1 and 2 preferred animals? I think I have a brother who struggles with the teaching and learning parts of his life, but excels at the all out extroversion and then suddenly going off into his self cave for long periods of time. I kind of think I might be blast last, but I get pretty confused when trying to understand myself.
No that's not possible. Just like it's not possible to have Ni as a 1st function then Se as 2nd function because they are opposites. Your brother is probably like me SC/P because im pretty sure he's not in his cave just sitting around thinking/reflecting he's probably consuming something. If he has Fi then he's only gonna be good at learning things he likes
@@Waundo that sounds very accurate. I also believe he is an Fi dom. Thanks for the reply!
@@Waundo I probably should add that I can sit and reflect for a very long time, with no external stimuli. If I have a book in my hand, I can spend literally an hour before I finish a page, because I am off in my head.
@@IndieAuthorX dude same here. I literally have a youtube video on my tv that's been paused for an hour while my mind was wondering 🤣
@@Waundo #bless
0:46 Hm... Blast > Sleep > Play > Consume
But hell, what do I know ^_^
For me too lol 😂
How can a ExxJ, ExxP, be play last it doesn't make sense its counter-intuitive, whats wrong with them? No l'm just saying an example would help to see the objective conclusion. I mean identifying with your inferior function as a saviour (Masculine Te), happens I guess but its not seen as a positive affirmation objectively. I say this because its kind of, over compensating which when l think about it, isn't what OP is about (bias confirmation) so yeah someone help me please but then you would be confirming my bias against OP (a bit). I guess people overcompensate as an effort to change something in their lives to help them to overcome a familiar weakness or failure. Someone could say if your not biased you are not objective, supposing of cause people can still be right in their wrongness, just as overcompensating can be excessive, but I have digressed play last for a extrovert?
In a standard way usually ExxJs and IxxJs are Blasters and ExxPs and IxxPs - consumers with play and sleep in the middle. And according to their own system ExxPs actually more introverted for the most part when IxxJs are actually more extroverted. I think that the fact that IxxJs are extroverted is shocking as well
How do you know if you're blast last or play last?
For example, I figured out that I am blast last because every day I say this phrase "why didn't I say that". I've always struggled to speak out my conclusions or ideas or whatever because I am uncertain so I reserve it but in the end I'm right but now nobody will know that I'm right, I knew the answer because I was too afraid to say it out loud and I hate myself at the and of a day (and usually it happens not once a day but constantly). And I'm not a very good talker, therefore I struggle with flow of my speech and formulating my thoughts in a "consumable" way. Basically, blasters are great broadcasters and I'm not
P.S. I still not sure is it understandable enough and good it's written. Very blast last
What are their mbti types?
Why De has no connection to Di?
The only connection is that if it's masculine then the other is feminine.
According to Socionics the first and sixth functions are the strongest. For an INTJ that means Ni + Ti. (Ni hero/Ti critic)
Objective Personality has 0 understanding of this.
I see your videos are listed under "education". shouldn't it be under conspiracy theories or something like that?
^ How to fish for attention and fail miserably