The next engineering goal should be reducing the amount of screws utilized. Other than the amount of screws, the Patton seems like a solid player. This will be my summer wheel, FS.
I kinda disagree, I think screw total increases stiffness and quality, what should be done is as many of the same fasteners as possible, it does not take long to remove screws, and in a crash less likely to have busted fastener locations, id take all the screws if there all the same length throughout, means less care in separation at time of removal
Very nice first look Kevin 👍 Looks like you could change the tire by removing the entire top assembly without having to break the silicon seals??? I do wish that someday they would start using proper gaskets and stop using goop everywhere 🙂
Someday? Years and years ago Ninebot had proper rubber seals and rubber grometts everywhere on the S1 and it came with a nice user manual. I guess the iteration of wheels now is so frequent it is not worth it to them but surely a mold for a seal would be peanuts compared to the complex molds of all the plastic parts on this wheel.
Maybe I'm missing something here but to me it looks really easy to change the tire. All you have to do is remove the 8 screws each side holding the top ot the Fastace fork to the battery case then remove the 2 screws each side just below the axle holding the small metal bar that holds the bottom of the fork against the battery case (21.17) and the wheel and forks will just side out. They are not attached in any way to the top panel. They just sit on some rubber seals. You probably can change the tire with the forks still attached but it depends how the mudguard is attached.
Great video - seems like these companies make improvements in one area (solid kickstand), then screw up something that should be obvious (charge ports) ... have they ever heard of a checklist? ... lol ... what worked on wheel A? ... check .. lets take that to wheel B ... what didn't work on wheel A ... lets fix that on wheel B .... etc ... geez they have had years of feedback from consumers to get the little things right by now .... from kickstands to trolly handles, to headlights/taillights to pedals to charge ports and chargers ... and it keeps happening. ???
Gee tough crowd, Its pritty good really, i bet with practice the tyre change won't be that long. I spoze it makes sense to go with a large easy extrusion in one peace rather than the sherman s 4 peace's for battery covers. I quite like the simplicity of the wheel, the adjustable foot pad is quite interesting, it could go even further and have another two screws to adjust forward and backward. else i think as is its worth trying the Adjustable jump pad, seems like a good idea, considering we are betting our spines on valcro now. Hum i supoose forward backward could be achieved as is by lowering the jump pad the foot is squeesed backwards, and lifting the jump pad could allow foot to slide forward. I notice when my foot is forward i get wobbles under breaking hence i moved my feet further back.
With the batteries come more things like rubber gaskets for top and bottom battery and extra cap for the bottom battery. So the wheel has a perfect sealed.
The front grab handle will be easier to heighten for the production models than relocating the charge port. Stock pedals are problematic for many wheels, which is good for specialist producers, but the manufacturers can’t really offer their machines without some form of pedal fitted. Good to see LK have confidence in Fastace’s suspension strut, it’s a great solution when compared to the stock offerings of most of the competitors. A moulding modification for the mudguard would obviate any potential rubbing issue. Good to see that there is no need to break the seal for the control board in order to change the tyre, this can be left intact on the top plate of the chassis.
Thanks, Kevin. Lucky you for getting your hands on this first. Hopefully, Leaperkim has implemented that rear trolly better than Begode did on the RS. I love my RS, but its nickname is "the rammer" because of the way it can behave with careless trolly handle use.
Thanks for the teardown. Re tire change, possibly you could just unscrw the top panel, keep the seals intact, unscrw the suspension and slide the motor out together with the suspension and controller, similar as you can do on the s22, should be possible?
It does look like it may be possible to remove the top, pull the mud guard up and out, and then loosen the bolts holding the suspension on each side. It seems like the motor could drop straight out the bottom then. More screws than the S22, but it seems like a similar technique may be possible.
I think like other wheel they said was hard to change tire and then found out later the entire top can be taken off. Patients guys. This was a quick overview
Thanks for this detailed video! Looks like many parts are made from thick aluminium. Interesting to see. It looks to be sturdy made. Is it correct that there are no proper gaskets for waterproofing? I would have really expected more. Just some silicone doesn't convince. All in all it seems like a nice improvement in the design of a sturdy chassis. The torque seems to be amazing if the video's are true.
One step forward, one step back.. when are EUC manufacturers going to learn? How hard can it be to make a waterproof, solid wheel without screwing the mainboard on the casing, have loose cables, scraping parts..? The only constant change on these garage projects is the increasing price while maintaining the same amateur quality over a dozen iterations.
Honestly, the build quality and "ease of maintenance" is lacking. Sucks because I was really looking forward to this wheel. She looks sturdy, but the motherboard waterproofing seemed lackluster. Perhaps I'm just spoiled by the V13, but this wheel seemed rushed and less refined than even the sherman S.
Any water in the trolley handle looks like it will be funnelled into the bottom of the battery case. (22.35) Probably needs a drain hole for the bottom of handle and a rubber gasket in the depression in the plastic cover. Maybe the top has a good seal/rubber cover. I did not see if that is the case. It has some good ideas. I always thought extruded alloy made more economic sense than cast magnesium. Although I couldn't understand how they got enough structual ridgidity by just screwing the flat extruded alloy top panel to the top of the extruded alloy battery cases with a bunch of small screw then I realised the supporting brackets at the top fo the battery cases front and rear which Kevin said are plastic but I suspect are cast alloy tho' maybe not.
So there's really no need to remove the control board seal to replace the tyre just unscrew the bolts. Great design overall for me except the charging port.
Still no 'plug and play' on the motor removal so a whole tear down and breaking the waterproof seal on the motherboard is required 😔 Hopefully the knobby tyre works well enough that it won't need changing. I have 9000 km on my original Sherman tyre and it still has plenty of tread. But making a motor swap so hard is just lazy design.
every time they making charging ports location worse and worse. They realy need to change its place or rise front handle. Even controller box is just terrible.. you'll need to silicone it everytime when changing tire? No, this wheel is definetly not for me, even Sherman S looks better in quality.
thank you for this video, nice worrk. as for the euc and company aweful design, it's like they didn't learn anything from the past and improve on it, hard pass for me. not even going to waste my time on more reviews. I am getting vexxed with the trash quality they euc manufactures keep coming out with euc as a escooter rider looking for my first euc. at the same time they keep raising their prices like it's some engineering marvel. finally the looks is ugly.
And I thought the s22 was hard to plug in lol. This company needs to stop making pedals, please stop. All wheels should come with e_rides ironman equivalent pedals for whatever pay for these. Most of this seems built well, bet it's a fun little wheel.
@@splyce0117 i am pretty sure easy tire change and modular design is a no brainer. I don't know why they think that their pedal system is "good". The pedal on the Sherman max was working well and easy to swap. I don't know why they decided to switch the design. I have the Sherman s and it took me 3 hours to change the pedals. It's just really bad design.
Thank you for warning me about build quality and tire change issues. I had been set on finding a Patton but your video is as far as that will go.
The next engineering goal should be reducing the amount of screws utilized. Other than the amount of screws, the Patton seems like a solid player. This will be my summer wheel, FS.
I kinda disagree, I think screw total increases stiffness and quality, what should be done is as many of the same fasteners as possible, it does not take long to remove screws, and in a crash less likely to have busted fastener locations, id take all the screws if there all the same length throughout, means less care in separation at time of removal
Very nice first look Kevin 👍 Looks like you could change the tire by removing the entire top assembly without having to break the silicon seals??? I do wish that someday they would start using proper gaskets and stop using goop everywhere 🙂
Someday? Years and years ago Ninebot had proper rubber seals and rubber grometts everywhere on the S1 and it came with a nice user manual. I guess the iteration of wheels now is so frequent it is not worth it to them but surely a mold for a seal would be peanuts compared to the complex molds of all the plastic parts on this wheel.
@@AJames-jr8kw No one cares about Ninebot
@@familytvbox5218 you missed the point entirely.
thanks for the always good info Kevin~👍🙏🙏
Maybe I'm missing something here but to me it looks really easy to change the tire. All you have to do is remove the 8 screws each side holding the top ot the Fastace fork to the battery case then remove the 2 screws each side just below the axle holding the small metal bar that holds the bottom of the fork against the battery case (21.17) and the wheel and forks will just side out. They are not attached in any way to the top panel. They just sit on some rubber seals. You probably can change the tire with the forks still attached but it depends how the mudguard is attached.
Great video - seems like these companies make improvements in one area (solid kickstand), then screw up something that should be obvious (charge ports) ... have they ever heard of a checklist? ... lol ... what worked on wheel A? ... check .. lets take that to wheel B ... what didn't work on wheel A ... lets fix that on wheel B .... etc ... geez they have had years of feedback from consumers to get the little things right by now .... from kickstands to trolly handles, to headlights/taillights to pedals to charge ports and chargers ... and it keeps happening. ???
Gee tough crowd, Its pritty good really, i bet with practice the tyre change won't be that long. I spoze it makes sense to go with a large easy extrusion in one peace rather than the sherman s 4 peace's for battery covers. I quite like the simplicity of the wheel, the adjustable foot pad is quite interesting, it could go even further and have another two screws to adjust forward and backward. else i think as is its worth trying the Adjustable jump pad, seems like a good idea, considering we are betting our spines on valcro now.
Hum i supoose forward backward could be achieved as is by lowering the jump pad the foot is squeesed backwards, and lifting the jump pad could allow foot to slide forward.
I notice when my foot is forward i get wobbles under breaking hence i moved my feet further back.
That handle screams gun holster mount! Wild wild west.
With the batteries come more things like rubber gaskets for top and bottom battery and extra cap for the bottom battery. So the wheel has a perfect sealed.
The front grab handle will be easier to heighten for the production models than relocating the charge port. Stock pedals are problematic for many wheels, which is good for specialist producers, but the manufacturers can’t really offer their machines without some form of pedal fitted. Good to see LK have confidence in Fastace’s suspension strut, it’s a great solution when compared to the stock offerings of most of the competitors. A moulding modification for the mudguard would obviate any potential rubbing issue. Good to see that there is no need to break the seal for the control board in order to change the tyre, this can be left intact on the top plate of the chassis.
Thanks, Kevin. Lucky you for getting your hands on this first.
Hopefully, Leaperkim has implemented that rear trolly better than Begode did on the RS. I love my RS, but its nickname is "the rammer" because of the way it can behave with careless trolly handle use.
Thanks for the teardown. Re tire change, possibly you could just unscrw the top panel, keep the seals intact, unscrw the suspension and slide the motor out together with the suspension and controller, similar as you can do on the s22, should be possible?
It does look like it may be possible to remove the top, pull the mud guard up and out, and then loosen the bolts holding the suspension on each side. It seems like the motor could drop straight out the bottom then. More screws than the S22, but it seems like a similar technique may be possible.
I think like other wheel they said was hard to change tire and then found out later the entire top can be taken off. Patients guys. This was a quick overview
Exceptional
Thanks for this detailed video!
Looks like many parts are made from thick aluminium. Interesting to see. It looks to be sturdy made.
Is it correct that there are no proper gaskets for waterproofing? I would have really expected more. Just some silicone doesn't convince.
All in all it seems like a nice improvement in the design of a sturdy chassis. The torque seems to be amazing if the video's are true.
Nice work!
One step forward, one step back.. when are EUC manufacturers going to learn?
How hard can it be to make a waterproof, solid wheel without screwing the mainboard on the casing, have loose cables, scraping parts..?
The only constant change on these garage projects is the increasing price while maintaining the same amateur quality over a dozen iterations.
Honestly, the build quality and "ease of maintenance" is lacking. Sucks because I was really looking forward to this wheel. She looks sturdy, but the motherboard waterproofing seemed lackluster. Perhaps I'm just spoiled by the V13, but this wheel seemed rushed and less refined than even the sherman S.
Tell me how easy to change the tire n how water proof is it???
Any water in the trolley handle looks like it will be funnelled into the bottom of the battery case. (22.35) Probably needs a drain hole for the bottom of handle and a rubber gasket in the depression in the plastic cover. Maybe the top has a good seal/rubber cover. I did not see if that is the case.
It has some good ideas. I always thought extruded alloy made more economic sense than cast magnesium. Although I couldn't understand how they got enough structual ridgidity by just screwing the flat extruded alloy top panel to the top of the extruded alloy battery cases with a bunch of small screw then I realised the supporting brackets at the top fo the battery cases front and rear which Kevin said are plastic but I suspect are cast alloy tho' maybe not.
So there's really no need to remove the control board seal to replace the tyre just unscrew the bolts. Great design overall for me except the charging port.
The Patton should sell for slightly less. This machine is a good trail thrasher. Not a street machine. Best for ROCK CLIMBING.
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I wonder why Chinese companies are so afraid of properly engineered gaskets. They must have a surplus of silicone they need to get rid of.
Still no 'plug and play' on the motor removal so a whole tear down and breaking the waterproof seal on the motherboard is required
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Hopefully the knobby tyre works well enough that it won't need changing. I have 9000 km on my original Sherman tyre and it still has plenty of tread.
But making a motor swap so hard is just lazy design.
Sadly, seeing the effort required to do a tire change has significantly reduced my enthusiasm for this wheel.
every time they making charging ports location worse and worse. They realy need to change its place or rise front handle. Even controller box is just terrible.. you'll need to silicone it everytime when changing tire? No, this wheel is definetly not for me, even Sherman S looks better in quality.
thank you for this video, nice worrk. as for the euc and company aweful design, it's like they didn't learn anything from the past and improve on it, hard pass for me. not even going to waste my time on more reviews. I am getting vexxed with the trash quality they euc manufactures keep coming out with euc as a escooter rider looking for my first euc. at the same time they keep raising their prices like it's some engineering marvel. finally the looks is ugly.
Veteran/Leaperkim is the brand, not Sherman
And I thought the s22 was hard to plug in lol. This company needs to stop making pedals, please stop. All wheels should come with e_rides ironman equivalent pedals for whatever pay for these. Most of this seems built well, bet it's a fun little wheel.
even new original (spiked) KS-16s, KS-16x pedals seems better :)
Too dam hard to change tire. PASS!!!!!!!!!;
What a bumer break the seal to do tyre change...
wow... such a bad design... only leaperkim will overengineer something that is tried and true...
this wheel is so heavy, and it is not because it has big batteries...
I'm sure it's not easy designing a wheel to the needs of the many
It's not a bad design. Just strong and heavy. Some will like it, others not.
@@splyce0117 i am pretty sure easy tire change and modular design is a no brainer. I don't know why they think that their pedal system is "good". The pedal on the Sherman max was working well and easy to swap. I don't know why they decided to switch the design. I have the Sherman s and it took me 3 hours to change the pedals. It's just really bad design.
Ya tire change is a big deal. Battery change not so much. Still looks good but I will pass. Not spending an arm and a leg just for a damn tire change.