@@TurkeyCreekGalwomen love to hate women, so they don’t want to even admit to seeing Jenn or the roommates cry. I just listened to this roommate sob in this very video and yet the OP posts that no one has been crying for Maddie? Absurd
@@TurkeyCreekGal lol, Jenn was FAKE crying throughout every interview/video I've seen. And she only started crying when she thought Stephan was cheating on her with her own daughter. It's beyond obvious that Jenn only cares about Jenn and Stephan. 🙄
@@TurkeyCreekGal jen would cry a little and then seem totally fine. As a mother of a daughter, I was shocked by her behavior. I would’ve died if anyone did this to my daughter. If Jen was a good Mom this wouldn’t have happened.
@@BbyJLP Because she was too busy napping and medicating herself to feel nothing including having a healthy parental /child relationship. She has no clue on how to be a mother and Maddie deserved a better mom and a healthier life. 🙏🥹🙏
@@jocelynd.3621 Woody Allen was married to mia farrow, they adopted kids. Woody divorced mia and married his adopted daughter. The adopted daughter they raised TOGETHER
but you know.....here's the thing in case anyone didn't catch on to what roommate said, JENN SOTO is bisexual. Maybe this is an overreach, and I'm not at all saying gay women are pervs/pedos, but what if both creeps were creeping on this poor child????
@@jensheahan7522 totally agree ..like had any of them thought ..what the hell is Maddie and SS doing sleeping in the same room without JS.. I mean c'mon .....
I believe it. I have been a roommate and we all kept to ourselves. She doesn’t even have to go to the kitchen for snacks , and has her own bathroom. Her bedroom is essentially a hotel room. Trust me, she is feeling like she can’t believe it either.
Why isn’t Jennifer in jail? Telling daughter to go to bed with her ex. She knew what was going on. What mother in their right mind lets her 13 year old daughter sleep with a 36-year-old man
She’s talking so much about her personal values and morals like get to the point we’re here to get facts and information about the incident & the environment in the home.
She keeps saying she minds her business. To me she is trying to hide what she knows and does not want to provide the truth. She acts as if not speaking up is stating she has values. Salients and not speaking the truth is NOT having values at all. To me having values is standing up for what is right, truth no matter what and not hiding what you know, saw and heard.
Is anyone else kind of on the fence about this roommate and what she knows or doesn’t know? She’s seems hesitant to answer some things. Also it seems so unlikely that NO ONE in that entire house didn’t see or hear anything including this woman. The fact that she says she went through SA makes me feel like she’d be more likely to see something than maybe someone who doesn’t? Idk. Could she A. Be covering for Jen because she’s best friends with her sister? Or B. Lying/giving as little detail as possible cuz she just doesn’t want anything to do with this case? Maybes it’s too much for her? Idk
I agree. As difficult as it is to hear and see these interviews , they really put the spotlight on how good ALL of the detectives are with their demeanour, their questions and how they have pieced this case together in finding Maddie. The one detective who put Jen in her place and called her out on her BS was fantastic. They have such a difficult and important job that I know I could never do! Bravo to them and God Bless Maddie.
‘I told him ALL the time, don’t let this become a Woody Allen situation where you run off with her. Don’t do that to ME.’ Maddie was SA ALL OVER that house in photos from at least age 8-13. Jennifer KNEW.
@@HiroForever exactly, it’s very telling her whole “woody Allen situation”. Her thought process is that through the SA, Maddie would fall in love with Stephen. It’s absolutely Vile, she knew and let it happen!
I have never heard so many people obsessed with being mentally ill. Everyone is on meds and mentally ill! I’m not without struggles in my own life but, it’s nothing I talk about with anyone who will listen and want a new med for. My child has Classic Autism, the kind where he does not speak, not potty trained, and his life revolves around his sensitivity to the world. Just seems so strange to me how preoccupied they are with meds and mental illness.
These are not casual conversations you are listening to. These people are talking to the police, and talking about their close friend and roommate. Yeah the old generation equates mental difficulties with shame, but our generations are open and honest about mental struggles. Doesn’t make us all narcissistic either, ridiculous statement
@@annettefogleman3145 someone that doesnt want the Authorities to know what WAS going on all along.... there is NO WAY Jen didnt know... NO WAY.... 100% impossible... because NOBODY is that naive... NOBODY!
Right. It wasn’t odd that someone called and said this person knew? If they were making it up they could have picked to say JEN knew what was going on. To say it was her is probably cuz it’s true. Also I’m not done with the video but if this roommate did know and she went through SA herself--why on gods green earth wouldn’t she say something to someone of importance. Like the law?
I don’t understand when she said the Bday Party was just for close family only and that she was not invited, but yes she said they are best friends from childhood she know all her family they are best friends including Jen sister raising kids together her son and Maddie were best friends since babies, she is helping the family right now and supporting them with everything but she was not close enough to be invited to the bday party 🤨🤔🫡🤔 her story do not make sense at all. 🤯
@@JessicaHussong-e4eThere are so many “weird” things in this case. We have gotten to see so much in these interviews but I shudder to think about the details that haven’t been released to the public yet.
What? My best friend and I were raised by our moms who were best friends. If my grandma was having a birthday party for me and my close family, it would have been just that, my family. Not best friends too.
Also Jen didn't take the day off work for her own daughters birthday party? Or call in? Or schedule the Bday party on a different day? Hell, my children and even me have a week birthday celebration. Two weekends and week days is considered birthday week due to schedules!
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IF you love your kids, THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. PERIOD. NO EXCUSES.
right.... because there is NO WAY she didnt know what Stephan was doing... and its not helping anything that Jen HERSELF was TOTALLY "good" with it... as she herself had a part in on it.
That is wrong wrong wrong. If you think it can't happen to you , you are a fool. Predators are super sneaky. They groom the parents the same time they're grooming the kid. Single mothers are a big target because they are so busy and tired. It's the people you TRUST that do it. They WORK at getting that trust, and then they do the bad stuff.
unlike Law & Crime which has the WORST possible sound quality DESPITE being a HUGE channel... i hate channels like that... they are MASSIVE and rake in CRAZY CASH and do NOTHING about shitty audio.
The mother should been charged. Letting her daughter sleep alone in room with him is weird. And I think the mom knew and she enjoyed the money he was making off selling the pics and videos
how In the bleep can you have all those adult women live in a house and not know anything. Jenn even said Maddy slept with stephan but no one saw it. I don't believe this woman said.
I have never heard so many people obsessed with being mentally ill. Everyone is on meds and mentally ill! I’m not without struggles in my own life but, it’s nothing I talk about with anyone who will listen and want a new med for. My child has Classic Autism, the kind where he does not speak, not potty trained, and his life revolves around his sensitivity to the world. Just seems so strange to me how preoccupied they are with meds and mental illness. My husband and I don’t even sit around talking about problems and meds like this. We don’t want to be on new meds but, want to steer away from it all.
Omg I know right? Even Maddies Bio dad kept talking about how he has ADHD and mentally ill and this and that. It’s like every single person surrounded around Jenn and Maddie had this fixation with having mental problems and needing meds
@@chickapeas5646 The fact you just told a whole bunch of strangers about your child’s illness right after complaining about people discussing their own mental illnesses
@@5GreenAcres Yes! I believe it! I believe it could have been the shots. I was given 3 vaccines while pregnant and then had my baby and foolish me, did what I thought was best and got his vaccines. I was working in Health Care. You are looking in the right direction. American’s are being poisoned in every direction. Start looking around at people at the grocery store, we look horrible. I promise it will take your breath!
Poor Maddie lived in a house we’re nobody cares about her .and that monster did what he did disgusting . Rest in peace beautiful girl .God has you now .Amen
"We had 15-20 minutes to catch up while the kids were swimming at the pool" What kid pnly swims for 20 minutes? She's teying to xount herself out as mych as possible. Something is so off i feel it in my gut.. I think everyone was aware and this case goes WAY deeper than we think.
i thought was odd too.... its almost like she had to keep a 'schedule' in her mind... like she HAD to make sure she was positioning herself in the Right Place at the Right Time... all too suspicious IMO.
This investigator has been so patient and compassionate through this interview when the roommate has a tough time … this can’t be easy on anyone 🥲 breaks my heart for Maddie!
Ugh!! All those “super sleepy” medications can take over your life so swiftly. I’ve been a witness to it changing people’s entire personality. Folks who were once up early sipping coffee suddenly sleeping until 3 in the afternoon and then going to bed right after supper. It takes away so much of your awareness. Poor Maddie. I feel like she was surviving in a house of script drugs and there’s the wolf at the door, ready to take full advantage.
@@kellyegan9824 yep... literally everyone that was around Maddie was a PillHead.... this including her other step-dad and her biological father.. they ALL are "medicated".. their own words.
Interesting… Jen said that Maddie never slept in that makeshift living room bedroom except for maybe once. Roommate said here that she did sleep there.
Roommate said she wasn’t sure where Maddie slept. She said she was under the impression Maddie slept in the makeshift room until Stephan left & she started hearing Maddie’s ringer going off at 7:35AM. She also equally states that she didn’t spend enough time downstairs to know who exactly slept where & when.
Both Angelica and Nathalie seem like they are pretty clued in, generally. They don't seem like they would intentionally turn a blind eye. I believe this is a case of two women who were focused on their own lives, as many would be.
@@SaraONeillDesign not really this lady says she keeps to her own business o the other hand she knows a lot of their business. She also wants to sound educated but yet uses the word like a lot
@@SaraONeillDesign i think that they are of average intellect....okay with pharmaceuticals used instead of or as a substitute for raising children in a healthy, proactive, holistic,, hands on way. They weren't in a 'position', for many reasons, to critique the Jen, Stephen, Maddie debacle.
She takes a long time to answer questions like Jenn. I’m completely suspect of everyone in that house. Maybe they didn’t know exactly what was happening but I’ll bet they all suspected it. There’s no way. They LIVED together!
She over sharing. And giving scenarios that sound really familiar. Something seems off. I wished they would’ve asked her where her son sleeps? I’m curious. And it’s just a question yall.
This lady’s son couldn’t have his own room but this monster could? Maddie had a part of the living room not even her own room. The extra 2 bedrooms should have went to the kids and that monster shouldn’t have been there. This case truly breaks my heart and I’m sure many others. I don’t see how the “mom” couldn’t know something was off after all the years this was happening.
I can't imagine having to live in a roommate situation with children. I simply didn't have strangers around my kids. That being said if there was a situation in which I had no choice (financially I guess) then you bet 100% my child would be sleeping in the same room with me where I KNOW they are safe. I think it was very fortunate for this lady's child that he was sharing with his mother with that predator in the house. 😢
The house owner would have determined the rent amounts, and this lady rented what she could afford. Stefan was Jen’s guest and was the only stranger there. This lady is a longterm friend of the family.
@@mj_writer2017 Jenn’s dad owned it from what I heard. Also when they were together before that was his room. They also talked about how he wouldn’t work or help financially. He spent his money on games and toys. Idk
Birds of a feather flock together. These females are in their own zone. Jen with her pills, this one who never stops just goes in and out and leaves her TV on all night loud....lol 🙄
This roommate is not a good witness. She doesn't know anything, she doesn't see anything, she doesn't hear anything. She says she NEVER THOUGHT SS WOULD DO THIS and JS WOULD NEVER DO THIS. Wait till she hears everything about this case. Lol
@@TEBme-sf1it comment wasn't meant to be funny. My point was that the roommate didn't offer any pertinent info and said she NEVER thought ss would do something like this and he did but she also said the same about js. Js is not innocent in all this.
Why do so many act clueless, In that house hold? this woman is acting so clueless... or a good liar. They lived in̈ the same home and she didn't know anything or hear anything. And she says she don't know anything about Maddie and her death, whatever she's just protecting Jenn. How she doesn't know or want to know up until her death. She's a good liar. frfr
What a sick sick mother jenn was, partitioning off a portion of the living room for maddie. Share a room with her, or give her her own room, dont put up a partition up in the living room where strangers come and go in and out of the front door.
that was the whole idea.... Maddi was LAST on the list of importance.... because Maddi was messing with her "man"... clearly Jen's ONLY concern was Stephan.... Maddi meant NOTHING to her... and if anything.. .she wanted here GONE... FOREVER!! they ALL knew... not one of them didnt.
Crazy, this lady lives in same house as maddy, and pays $850 for rent. Yet not aloud to go to maddys birthday party. And what kind of dad makes daughter pay rent plus collect rent when she is struggling. Let's strangers live in same house so he can make more money. Shameful, now wondering about the rest of her family.
It was her ex father in laws house. I think he was just trying to cover the mortgage, insurance, taxes & upkeep on the property. Jenn seemed so unstable it wouldn't surprise me if the household bills (gas & electric, garbage etc) were in the father in laws name as well.😕
Obviously you don't understand anything about a "mortgage payment?" Why would the ex father in law allow someone to live there free when he could be collecting rent (to help cover the mortgage) That would not be good business sense. When you own a property it is a business. It is not his place to enable her and give her a free ride. Maybe some of the "meds" she was taking were actually CAUSING some of her "migraines" etc.
As a predator, I’d bet Stephan Sterns paid attention to all the roommates enough to track their exact schedules so he could plan his attacks against Maddie & not get caught while the roommates wouldn’t know things like that because they’re busy with work, kids, living their lives & since they aren’t predators or thieves who want to steal from someone else in the house, etc. they have no reason to learn other people’s exact schedules other than maybe a shower/bathroom schedule. That’s what I’ve learned from crime shows & learning about people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, sociopaths, & psychopaths. Their normal interactions with us aren’t their real life; it’s an acting role with a script they’ve made up to fool us just like a Hollywood actor playing a role. I would say it would be easy for Stephan to fool the roommates, but his parents & Jen saw some of the real Stephan, the evil & they just let it go or rationalized it somehow. We can see that his parents absolutely knew, & his mom is still trying to cover up for him, blame his evil on Jen. If I’m wrong, I’ll correct myself, but I think the evidence, Jen’s interviews show that she had to have know he was after her daughter & she just let him hurt Maddie because she didn’t want you to lose him or have any disruptions in her life.
@@southbug27 I don't believe Jen knew anything he was doing to Maddy and if the parents knew then they should have reported him themselves. I think SS groomed them both. Seriously.
Amazingly said! Also very scary some of what you revealed. It explains how the roommate couldn't sleep and saw them partially clothed. He knew there schedules, but she couldnt sleep and that was when she saw them in the room together, and texted Jen.. Wow! Wow! Scary! Wow!
@@terriblackburn8766why would Jen text Stephan “Maddie can no longer sleep with me. I can’t risk it”? Risk what? I think it’s bigger. I think these two were making big and quick money by sedating Maddie and as she calls it (her own words) “sec is not evil”…she is fully convinced “this” SA was not ever evil. Maybe somehow Stephan had her brainwashed that the SA is actually “love” he was doing to Maddie, and that she would not even feel anything if fully sedated with meds and anesthesia, and they would be both making a ton of money with the videos and photos he would upload to black market. They were both making money off of this and has Jen convinced Maddie would “benefit” from it. As a struggling mom, maybe he got Jen convinced.
When he tells her he got a tip that she knew of the abuse, she got nervous after that. She was quick to change the subject, her voice became shakey and she put on a crybaby voice. These people are so strange.
The roommate said she couldnt sleep one night and saw Stephan and Maddie in the room alone together partially clothed. She texted Jen, saying are you ok with them together alone? Jen texted back something like you're good, thank you. That was that..
Why is it hard to believe? Is it because the people you associate with would lie about it? You find it hard to believe because you’ve already decided that Jenn was in on it and this information conflicts with your judgement. It doesn’t support it. RUclips true crime witch hunters are a strange bunch of people.
I really feel like the mother was jealous of Maddie. It’s heartbreaking seeing the camera roll. She is so bubbly and smart. What an honest innocent soul what she endured for years. It’s terrible
@@terriblackburn8766agreed It’s part of the grooming all peeps that knew him were surprised. Think of all the PDF s that r shaking 🫨 in their boots who shared content with that thing. UHg he is So CREEPY!!!!
That loud "all night TV" must have driven the other housemates crazy! Hope police check the soundness of the interior walls. This roommate barely described any turmoil in the household. Hardly a word about the little girl Maddie, or worry for her own boy ( until the end ). This house was a cesspool. The detective could see right thru this woman. Only at the end, did she try to compensate for her inability to help investigators by opening her heart. Yek.
@@AmbientAuteur She told on herself when she first began speaking on ‘minding my own’ , ‘back in the corner’ (bedroom). She definitely knew! She’s just afraid she’s going to be in trouble for allowing it to. She should be!!! She didn’t want to lose her ‘housing’! Grrr
She's careful to guard her reputation and her own decisions with her son. When these women start to use words saying ike, dude, bro, sht and fkn, they're defending themselves. She had to have heard and seen a lot more. Like their time in the shower together, for an hour. Was that when she complained of having him use the upstairs bathroom? Oh yeah, that's right. She keeps her tv on loud all night. How does she hear for her boy?
without a doubt... she said something like "I had the TV really loud, but i dont do that anymore"... what the HELL does "doing that anymore" have ANYTHING at all to do with the question?
@@sIXXIsDesigns She doesn't have to do that anymore because he's in jail and poor Maddie is de@d! She no longer has to drown out "everything" with the loud tv!
The bathroom upstairs is accessed from inside her room. That makes it very odd that Jen said the girls upstairs didn't want to share a bathroom with him. VERY ODD that anyone would share that bathroom that can only be accessed from her bedroom!
@@trish818 There is a second bathroom shared by other 2 bedrooms (master had its own bath). Other female roommate did not want a male using this bathroom.
Financial issues so I feel he convinced Jen selling images on the dark web and spy cam of roommate was a great way to earn passive income and Jen was like what a great idea with her weak mind then later said, I Can't Risk It! Just a speculation
Could mom have killed her? Could she have told Stephen to deal with it bc it’s “his fault” technically anyway? Could the jealousy and the missed period have sent her over the edge? Hence his poem/letter to Maddie. Instead of Jen being the accomplice and knowing and helping Stephen, what if she’s the murderer and Stephen is the rapist and accomplice? I know Maddie’s body has already been cremated but I hope they took enough evidence to check every avenue.
I think that's also the reason why SS wanted to commit suicide, he loves Madeline and can't live without her and Jenn has taken that away from him. It wasn't planned at all. Take the incident that the backpack and laptop are dumped and that there were cameras everywhere and the lying and changing stories and Jenn who was comforting SS etc. Something happened that night or the straw that broke the camel's back, something unexpected. If that's the case, then I understand the predicament they're in. Is SS, who gets a life sentence anyway, going to save JS?
@@beanj580because Jen is damned if she cries and damned if she doesn't. She's had several people friends/family say she's fallen apart but everyone still wants Jen under the jail
@@terriblackburn8766exact. Non one ever wants to put all the blame on the perpetrator and have to blame the victim. They feel like if the person person didn’t know, it could happen to them. Just world theory. You can not control what a predator will do unless you trust no one ever in life and that is unhealthy.
@@terriblackburn8766she deserves jail! Too many years of this going on and she didn’t know B.S! She knew! Her fake cries after finding out her daughter was being abused and still acted normal! She deserves what SS is getting! She failed her daughter big time.!
@@beanj580 I was just going to say the same thing. I watched Jen cry hard and sob all through interviews. I guess others don't watch the interviews with her & law enforcement or they don't pay any attention to Jenn crying or they ignore the facts that she's cried a lot and would rather talk bad about her & spread lies about her
Is it just me or does this sound awfully sus? She’s the best friend and the sister never shared things regarding SS and or JS? Chisme we call it. Yet she questioned them being alone in a room so much she sent a text? It ain’t adding!
Agree I don’t believe her at all she is covering her friend, I just don’t understand how they all have kids sleeping with them in one room but yes she said she was always working and working but still do not have enough money the get her own place for her and her son, he was not a baby he was 11-12 yrs old not right at all just make me mad to hear all the lies and her vocabulary on an interview like this, girl get it together its not about Jen its about this poor child that lost her life 😢
@@janetgonzalez3575 everyone was benefiting somehow, but how? Drugs? Why would this woman work so much and not have more space available for her own son unless...... nefarious reason.
You can’t convince me that with all the adults in that house, that no one knew what was happening! Being a Mom with a child , you should be very aware of anyone who comes in contact with your child or any child. If I was her, I’d be worried that he might of abused her child as well. Because obviously they all have blinders on !
absolutely.... and her sending Maddi in to sleep with Stephan could have been nothing short of 100% intentional... she KNEW what was going on and she was "OK" with it..... as for the rest in the household.. they 100% KNEW... there is no way you go YEARS and someone doesn't suspect something if not SEEN it.
Jeeez 14 min in and the roommate is still answering questions that the detective hasn’t asked. The ENTIRE first 15 min in sum: Detective: “How long did you live with Jen?” Roommate: “So, I was never there because I, like, worked sooo much. Like, Stephen might have been there but like I said, I wouldn’t know because I never saw him because, like, I worked all the time. I mean, like, I was always at work and definitely NOT at the house and like, I don’t even know what Stephan looks like. He might actually be a piece of furniture I have no idea. My schedule-from working all the time-prevents me from knowing anything.”
Sounds like she's trying to be very careful what she's telling again because she's friends with the family. I feel bad for her. Then probably the blame why she didn't pay more attention.
Sorry - she’s a childhood friend of Jenn. I do not believe that she didn’t suspect anything. She’s more mentally stable than Jen so she sounds a bit more credible but I’m not buying it especially from this roommate. She got defensive about Stephan immediately -did you hear her say she did her own due diligence for her and her son? That’s some bullshit -if you live in a house with a young girl -it’s is your business too -point blank period. You cannot convince me that these people didn’t come downstairs to the kitchen or living room area. You can’t live in your bedroom 100%. Did these people never cook or only use prepackaged foods? Nah, they would have been in the kitchen -near Jens bedroom and Maddie’s makeshift corner. I think Jen is rotten and birds of a feather …
No, she is a childhood friend of Jenn's sister and even if she was, that does not mean she knew something. Ithe way she talks about get sob and everything she does for her son, I believe if she thought that there was a person that was SA a child, she would have gotten the hell out of there and not chance her son's safety.
Him having so many photos of him being around child environments and even working there is so gross. You know you would feel grossed out by his aura if you’re in the same room as him.
absolutely.... you can 'sense' people like him... and if you cant as a Parent? ... you shouldnt be a Parent.... Stephan had ALL the tell-tale signs of being a Creeper Max and NOBODY noticed? .... i do find that VERY hard to believe myself.
@@beanj580 Maddie's alarm went off in Jenn's room. At 7:45. This roommate would be in the kitchen making her son's lunch every morning. So when Jenn heard "someone" in the kitchen, she should have known who was in there. This roommate was the one up in the kitchen that time of morning.
The roommate says Jen didn't want to sleep alone. Jen and the devil all say Maddie didn't want to sleep alone. Agree, the roommate tells a different story.
The fact she texted Jen and asked if she was ok with Stefan in the girls room and Jen says ur good girl was her tacitly being aware something was wrong but not wanting to rock the boat....housing etc.
@@shimmer8289 the obvious fact is... more than ONE person knew about him sleeping with her... and the worst part? ... NOBODY said a thing about it till it was too late. if Stephan's Parents were SOOOOOO concerned for her... why didnt THEY do something as well? ... so IMO everyone that knew this was going on has SOME responsibility here.... everyone.
@sIXXIsDesigns totally agree when this best friend of Jens said she texted her to ask if stefan in the child's bedroom was ok and Jen said your good girl, she tacitly complied at that time instead of reporting her concerns to cps. Her loud tv is bs. Sooo angry at the people going around saying poor Jen, poor me wth poor Maddie !
This woman knows more than she claims on this interview it seems to me that she was part of the furniture as well like how can no one hear anything. She said Monday's are hard for her so she tries to sleep early on Sunday's but leaves the TV on loud all night makes no sense, but okay 🙄
This roommate claims Jenn didn't like to sleep alone ... Jenn and SS claims Maddie didn't like to sleep alone ... I wonder which is right since Maddie's not here to speak the truth !! They are both guilty AF !! They should both be locked up !! I'd still love to know how Maddies one crock was found in Jenn's bedroom !!
Jenn in her interview said to the two Detectives I wanted to sleep alone and not be bothered by Maddie and the dog peeing on the bed. Follow the money. This best friend is not a best friend
i could have sworn the other Crok was found in Stephan's room... either way.... there is no way Jen didnt know what he was doing to her.... as if he NEVER tried something WHILE they were ALL sleeping together??? ... i find that VERY hard to believe. Jen (IMO) was probably involved in the Abuse herself.... because i dont see Stephan resisting to 'try something' with Maddi in their OWN bed... i just dont see it.
How the HELL can the roommate STILL want to be there for Jen or her family?? Are you kidding me?? She should walk away and never look back at these lowlifes, UNLESS she knows more than she’s admitting to…
because they ALL had a part in on it.... which explains why she was so hesitant on certain questions... she had to "remember the plan" that they ALL agreed on.
It's so weird when ppl refer to themselves as a good person 😑 usually means ur actually not a good person. she also talked herself up a lot, she kinda reminds me of nikki from the chris watts case!! But yet u weren't intuned enough to realize ur best friends 13yo daughter was being molested for 5+yrs by her BF?? U can tell the roomate doesn't feel any guilt either!! I would be sick w myself if something like that happened on my watch & i had no clue, even if it wasn't my kid!! And how did no one in the home not have any suspicions??!!! I don't care if u worked 80 hrs a week u lived there and saw the goings on and routines. I don't get it.
I dont need to see him like 24/ 7 to sed if something isint right...".i mind my own business " dont sit well with me; He was creepy & im sure it showed.. ppl watch their words. SHE'S NOT TRYING TO INVOLVED HERSELF. QUIVERING VOICE.
for SURE!! .... i see the way Creepers look at my daughter and i CONFRONT them about it... i dont just sit there and say nothing.... Jen HAD to have seen it... she HAD to have known... but was "OK" with it anyways.... she is just as guilty as him.
To save others time because I just watched for over an hour expecting the roommate to provide actual information. The roommate says she doesn’t know anything and did not provide valuable information. She never heard anything, never saw anything. She was always at work or in her room minding her business. You will mostly hear about her own personal issues with SA and mental health issues. She genuinely sounds devastated and guilty at the fact she had no clue about what was going on.
like who gives a flying ..... ? ... you people are so petty... thats just how some people speak... especially if they are from Cali.... it has nothing at all to do with guilt or lack thereof.
The roommate also ignored Maddie. She treated her like a ghost and never paid attention to her surroundings. She even forgot her birthday. Shame on you lady!
So Jen was using the Handicapped Access parking spot all the time at the complex she lived in???She can walk, I do believe her disability is on a mental issue(s). The access is for those who may have wheelchairs & walking problems but since anyone basically who has an issue & receives ANY disability can get a handicap parking placard , people without compassion will take advantage with no regard to others. Tons of people can’t walk, she doesn’t care!!! She has a Placard!!! That mindset says a lot about the content of her character. Her roommate seems to be more upset, Jen is all about Jen.
Don’t assume because someone is walking ok that they don’t have a disability. My husband has MS and he gets pain, numbness, and spasms in his legs. He could be doing ok and within an hour or two, may not be. He has a handicap placard and was stopped by a police officer once and had to prove it was his just because at the moment he wasn’t doing bad. All I’m saying is, don’t assume someone is fine. She may have something going on that you just don’t see.
@queenoftheworld1 My husband is a fairly new btk amputee and he's worked out with therapists and a gifted trainer in the hopes of being able to run again but he can get a blister on his stump too easily. He can't walk to the back of a large grocery store and make it back to the car without risk of not being able to use his artificial leg for a week He catches dirty looks from lots of kinds of people who are just effing ignorant then they look ashamed when they see his 1.5 legs get out of the car
So this women works 50 hours or more ( job with some titel ) and can only afford a room in someone’s house and can not afford a room for her son . Very strange !
These people who are suppose to be around Maddie, want to distance themselves from this case. They don’t want to feel any responsibility for what happened to Maddie. Really tragic that no one cared about Maddie. 😡
Im not buying any of it. The walls aren’t that thick either. This is all ridiculous and if we find out later that it’s bigger than just Maddie I’m gonna throw up. It’s sickening that not one of these adults helped her
I caught that too. And didn’t JS send Maddie and SS to sleep together so she could get a good nights sleep? Something is so wrong with everyone who should have protected Maddie. The lack of any emotion for Maddie is beyond comprehension. I’m tired of this everyone grieves differently too. Frustrating!!!
Wow! A lot of this contradicts what Jen says. She says she would see Maddie sleeping in her OWN bed, that Maddie slept in Jen's room because JEN didnt like to sleep alone. Jen said Maddie only slept in her own bed like once, and that MADDIE couldn't sleep alone. This is very interesting.
It’s on mom and it’s on anyone who saw something suspicious and said nothing. If I saw anything questionable like a grown man and a young girl girl partially clothed and/or watching TV together alone in a bedroom, etc. I would be calling the police.
Can this roomate ever answer a straight question? She turns every answer into how she felt.
@gaganorthofthe49th62 birds of feather flock together. Seems neither the mother nor the roommate can answer straight.
Right! She kept saying the same thing over and over.
Why does nobody close to Maddie cry for her and what she went through . I hear people cry for themselves but not her
I watched an interview with Jenn and she cried throughout the 2.5 hour interview
@@TurkeyCreekGalwomen love to hate women, so they don’t want to even admit to seeing Jenn or the roommates cry. I just listened to this roommate sob in this very video and yet the OP posts that no one has been crying for Maddie? Absurd
@@TurkeyCreekGal lol, Jenn was FAKE crying throughout every interview/video I've seen. And she only started crying when she thought Stephan was cheating on her with her own daughter. It's beyond obvious that Jenn only cares about Jenn and Stephan. 🙄
@@TurkeyCreekGal jen would cry a little and then seem totally fine. As a mother of a daughter, I was shocked by her behavior. I would’ve died if anyone did this to my daughter. If Jen was a good Mom this wouldn’t have happened.
@@TurkeyCreekGal Wow, you need mental help.. hope you don’t have a child.
THIS is how I would expect Jen Soto to react. The roommate says she feels guilt for not knowing - how come the mother doesn’t?!
@@BbyJLP Because she was too busy napping and medicating herself to feel nothing including having a healthy parental /child relationship. She has no clue on how to be a mother and Maddie deserved a better mom and a healthier life. 🙏🥹🙏
@@BbyJLP And from this audio it sounds like the roommate is crying real tears unlike Jen Soto.
BUT...the roomie also questioned WHY they Jen allowed Maddie to sleep with Stephan. Why didn't she call CPS????
The room mate should have call the police regardless if it was an anonymous call
I think the mother was participating. Taking pictures. She had to know.
Nobody fears a Woody Allen situation unless you see it unfolding infront of you...
I agree
Period😢
Can you please explain to me what that meant? Sorry I keep hearing it and I don’t get it 😢
@@jocelynd.3621Woody Allen married the adopted daughter of his ex, Mia Farrow.
@@jocelynd.3621 Woody Allen was married to mia farrow, they adopted kids. Woody divorced mia and married his adopted daughter. The adopted daughter they raised TOGETHER
three grown ass women in that tiny condo and not one of them had any clue heard something saw something over all that time. just hard to believe
but you know.....here's the thing in case anyone didn't catch on to what roommate said, JENN SOTO is bisexual. Maybe this is an overreach, and I'm not at all saying gay women are pervs/pedos, but what if both creeps were creeping on this poor child????
It's absolutely mindboggling. 🤯
@@jensheahan7522 totally agree ..like had any of them thought ..what the hell is Maddie and SS doing sleeping in the same room without JS.. I mean c'mon .....
@jensheahan7522 they are Mexicans u know what happens when they snitch lmao back home ur right 3 woman and noone knows nothing suspicious
I had roommates. I hardly knew what they did on the top floor
I was always working at the gym or out playing volleyball.
It truly can happen
I do not believe for one minute that room mate had no idea what was going on.
I believe it. I have been a roommate and we all kept to ourselves. She doesn’t even have to go to the kitchen for snacks , and has her own bathroom. Her bedroom is essentially a hotel room. Trust me, she is feeling like she can’t believe it either.
Wonder why this roommate and son didn’t go to Maddie’s birthday party since she was besties with Jenn’s sister
She said she was not invited because it was a Birthday party for close family only.
@@angelathomsen3131 I'm also wondering if anything happened with the other 2 children in the condo.
@@itsme8968i doubt it since the other roomate said this roomate and her son went to bed early and left the house early and the son is autistic
@@bratgirlgotham4515that Still Wouldn't make sense....She Was Jens SIS b f.
@corneliakobilke4638 dam all the kids were Autistic?
None of these people had Maddies back .
@@annleal2021 yea that’s what I feel like
Why isn’t Jennifer in jail? Telling daughter to go to bed with her ex. She knew what was going on. What
mother in their right mind lets her 13 year old daughter sleep with a 36-year-old man
Because there is literally not one shred of evidence to support Jenn knew what was going on as you stated. If there was, she'd be in jail
I saw a psychologist say people that blame Jenn for what Stephan did are Stephan sympathizers, gross! 🤢
She is not a mother, Baboon!
There is evidence. They are gathering it. Jenn will be arrested.
They gave her immunity very early on . But in an interview they say her phone has stuff on it .
She’s talking so much about her personal values and morals like get to the point we’re here to get facts and information about the incident & the environment in the home.
She keeps saying she minds her business. To me she is trying to hide what she knows and does not want to provide the truth. She acts as if not speaking up is stating she has values. Salients and not speaking the truth is NOT having values at all. To me having values is standing up for what is right, truth no matter what and not hiding what you know, saw and heard.
How many grown ass adults failed this one innocent child? It’s absolutely maddening.
You are so amazing for cleaning the audio up for us! Thank you! Your talent is appreciated!
Agree! This audio is so crystal clear and refreshing. Ty for doing this. Subscribing.
And I ❤ captions!!!!
Appreciate you!
Agreed ❤
Poor maddie! She had absolutely nobody!
Is anyone else kind of on the fence about this roommate and what she knows or doesn’t know? She’s seems hesitant to answer some things. Also it seems so unlikely that NO ONE in that entire house didn’t see or hear anything including this woman. The fact that she says she went through SA makes me feel like she’d be more likely to see something than maybe someone who doesn’t? Idk. Could she A. Be covering for Jen because she’s best friends with her sister? Or B. Lying/giving as little detail as possible cuz she just doesn’t want anything to do with this case? Maybes it’s too much for her? Idk
This officer has the patience of a saint. Bless his heart ❤️
I agree. As difficult as it is to hear and see these interviews , they really put the spotlight on how good ALL of the detectives are with their demeanour, their questions and how they have pieced this case together in finding Maddie. The one detective who put Jen in her place and called her out on her BS was fantastic. They have such a difficult and important job that I know I could never do! Bravo to them and God Bless Maddie.
@@jbee1686 he does. all of those detectives in this case they all did phenomenal work
Yea bc this woman is just plain stupid…like like like like like
May that innocent baby rest in peace oh my heart breaks for her
@@Savehumanity85 me too
‘I told him ALL the time, don’t let this become a Woody Allen situation where you run off with her. Don’t do that to ME.’
Maddie was SA ALL OVER that house in photos from at least age 8-13. Jennifer KNEW.
@@HiroForever exactly, it’s very telling her whole “woody Allen situation”.
Her thought process is that through the SA, Maddie would fall in love with Stephen. It’s absolutely Vile, she knew and let it happen!
Who brought up woody Allen stuff? Was it this roomate or Jenn or who and on what interview??
They ALL KNEW!
@@TammieTamTamRichinsyep; wonder why this roommates son is in ‘therapy?!’….
@@TammieTamTamRichinsJen said that on one interview with the detective
My brain would rot if I had to listen to that many “likes” on a regular basis.
Omg I’m going nuts thinking why these ppl all talk this way?! Strange!
Me either.
@@izzydoesit8663it’s painful listening to her.
Lot of filler words from the people who lived in that place. It's awful.
It was driving me nuts! I never want to hear the word "like" again
I have never heard so many people obsessed with being mentally ill. Everyone is on meds and mentally ill! I’m not without struggles in my own life but, it’s nothing I talk about with anyone who will listen and want a new med for. My child has Classic Autism, the kind where he does not speak, not potty trained, and his life revolves around his sensitivity to the world. Just seems so strange to me how preoccupied they are with meds and mental illness.
Yes
This is the narcissistic world we live in. "Woe is me" 😒
These are not casual conversations you are listening to. These people are talking to the police, and talking about their close friend and roommate. Yeah the old generation equates mental difficulties with shame, but our generations are open and honest about mental struggles. Doesn’t make us all narcissistic either, ridiculous statement
@@libragal1750So dumb 🙄
Everyone looking for quick fixes to life.
I think that Maddie was pregnant or they thought she was pregnant and both stephen and Jen planned to kill her😢
I think she was she didn’t get her period in February
Wouldn't th w autopsy see this
Also who kills their child becuz they are prego
@@annettefogleman3145 someone that doesnt want the Authorities to know what WAS going on all along.... there is NO WAY Jen didnt know... NO WAY.... 100% impossible... because NOBODY is that naive... NOBODY!
@annettefogleman3145 someone who sa a child and doesn't want her to be pregnant.
“Part of the furniture type shit” cracked me up lol
@@chubbiebunnie2605 😆
In Spanish ppl who don’t do anything and are lazy are called “muebles” aka furniture 😂 they r just there
Ikr!
She’s contradicting herself! They will question her h til she comes clean about Jenn knowing Stephen was nasty with Maddie! They all knew
100% they ALL knew if not were INVOLVED in the abuse themselves.
Right. It wasn’t odd that someone called and said this person knew? If they were making it up they could have picked to say JEN knew what was going on. To say it was her is probably cuz it’s true. Also I’m not done with the video but if this roommate did know and she went through SA herself--why on gods green earth wouldn’t she say something to someone of importance. Like the law?
I’m not trying to sound like a dick, but the word “like” is used so much it’s hard to listen to and focus on anything else 😬
I realize she’s trying to search for the right words or thoughts, but my word 😅
Agreed like like
She's nervous ,I'm sure .
@@FC-qz1mv yea, definitely. Plus it just happened so I’m sure she was super sick over it. Her nerves are shook.
@@jennAllen212 I know, also the "I'm gonna say" in relation to Maddie's mother ugh
I don’t understand when she said the Bday Party was just for close family only and that she was not invited, but yes she said they are best friends from childhood she know all her family they are best friends including Jen sister raising kids together her son and Maddie were best friends since babies, she is helping the family right now and supporting them with everything but she was not close enough to be invited to the bday party 🤨🤔🫡🤔 her story do not make sense at all. 🤯
@@lyperez0218 good observation
I felt the same when she said, no she wasn’t invited. Was weird…
@@JessicaHussong-e4eThere are so many “weird” things in this case. We have gotten to see so much in these interviews but I shudder to think about the details that haven’t been released to the public yet.
What? My best friend and I were raised by our moms who were best friends. If my grandma was having a birthday party for me and my close family, it would have been just that, my family. Not best friends too.
Also Jen didn't take the day off work for her own daughters birthday party? Or call in? Or schedule the Bday party on a different day? Hell, my children and even me have a week birthday celebration. Two weekends and week days is considered birthday week due to schedules!
IF you love your kids, THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN. PERIOD. NO EXCUSES.
right.... because there is NO WAY she didnt know what Stephan was doing... and its not helping anything that Jen HERSELF was TOTALLY "good" with it... as she herself had a part in on it.
That is wrong wrong wrong. If you think it can't happen to you , you are a fool. Predators are super sneaky. They groom the parents the same time they're grooming the kid. Single mothers are a big target because they are so busy and tired. It's the people you TRUST that do it. They WORK at getting that trust, and then they do the bad stuff.
Bullshyte
Bravo 👏 👏
I wholeheartedly agree!!!!
Thank you for all the hard work you have done to bring us this information..
Love how Audio is so clear ♥️♥️ Thank you Gray!!
unlike Law & Crime which has the WORST possible sound quality DESPITE being a HUGE channel... i hate channels like that... they are MASSIVE and rake in CRAZY CASH and do NOTHING about shitty audio.
Thank you, Mr. Hughes it was a very clear interview.
It is painful to hear how many “Like” words a grown person can say in such few sentences
Stalling,,,,
The mother should been charged. Letting her daughter sleep alone in room with him is weird. And I think the mom knew and she enjoyed the money he was making off selling the pics and videos
how In the bleep can you have all those adult women live in a house and not know anything. Jenn even said Maddy slept with stephan but no one saw it. I don't believe this woman said.
I have never heard so many people obsessed with being mentally ill. Everyone is on meds and mentally ill! I’m not without struggles in my own life but, it’s nothing I talk about with anyone who will listen and want a new med for. My child has Classic Autism, the kind where he does not speak, not potty trained, and his life revolves around his sensitivity to the world. Just seems so strange to me how preoccupied they are with meds and mental illness. My husband and I don’t even sit around talking about problems and meds like this. We don’t want to be on new meds but, want to steer away from it all.
Omg I know right? Even Maddies Bio dad kept talking about how he has ADHD and mentally ill and this and that. It’s like every single person surrounded around Jenn and Maddie had this fixation with having mental problems and needing meds
@@chickapeas5646 The fact you just told a whole bunch of strangers about your child’s illness right after complaining about people discussing their own mental illnesses
Prayers for your son. Do you ever wonder if it was childhood shots that damaged him? I am connecting the dots on this atrocity.
@@5GreenAcres Yes! I believe it! I believe it could have been the shots. I was given 3 vaccines while pregnant and then had my baby and foolish me, did what I thought was best and got his vaccines. I was working in Health Care. You are looking in the right direction. American’s are being poisoned in every direction. Start looking around at people at the grocery store, we look horrible. I promise it will take your breath!
Right! And they need their vape like a kid needs their blankie.
Poor Maddie lived in a house we’re nobody cares about her .and that monster did what he did disgusting . Rest in peace beautiful girl .God has you now .Amen
"We had 15-20 minutes to catch up while the kids were swimming at the pool" What kid pnly swims for 20 minutes? She's teying to xount herself out as mych as possible. Something is so off i feel it in my gut.. I think everyone was aware and this case goes WAY deeper than we think.
i thought was odd too.... its almost like she had to keep a 'schedule' in her mind... like she HAD to make sure she was positioning herself in the Right Place at the Right Time... all too suspicious IMO.
Yup such a lie
This investigator has been so patient and compassionate through this interview when the roommate has a tough time … this can’t be easy on anyone 🥲 breaks my heart for Maddie!
Great interview coverage! Thanks Gray. Thanks Freaks for your support!!🙏Very sad case! 🕊🕊Justice for Madeline🕊🕊
@lindahowell1787 hello lovely lady , hope you are keeping well 🙏🏼 sending big freak hugs your way 🤗
@@msangelz 🫂Big hugs back!!❤️Hope all is well with you! Thank you !!
Ugh!! All those “super sleepy” medications can take over your life so swiftly. I’ve been a witness to it changing people’s entire personality. Folks who were once up early sipping coffee suddenly sleeping until 3 in the afternoon and then going to bed right after supper. It takes away so much of your awareness. Poor Maddie. I feel like she was surviving in a house of script drugs and there’s the wolf at the door, ready to take full advantage.
Ironic how they BOTH USED THAT SAME TERM
@@shawnb1125 without question... Jen and Stephan used that same EXACT word... "medicated".
They were definitely pill addicts. They liked benzos. Jenn brought it up
@@kellyegan9824 yep... literally everyone that was around Maddie was a PillHead.... this including her other step-dad and her biological father.. they ALL are "medicated".. their own words.
Interesting… Jen said that Maddie never slept in that makeshift living room bedroom except for maybe once. Roommate said here that she did sleep there.
Roommate said she wasn’t sure where Maddie slept. She said she was under the impression Maddie slept in the makeshift room until Stephan left & she started hearing Maddie’s ringer going off at 7:35AM. She also equally states that she didn’t spend enough time downstairs to know who exactly slept where & when.
@@cosmicbodyguards4285but she also said they had get togethers w all the kids at holidays…she’s not being 100 honest here
Both Angelica and Nathalie seem like they are pretty clued in, generally. They don't seem like they would intentionally turn a blind eye. I believe this is a case of two women who were focused on their own lives, as many would be.
@@SaraONeillDesign not really this lady says she keeps to her own business o the other hand she knows a lot of their business. She also wants to sound educated but yet uses the word like a lot
Really
@@SaraONeillDesign i think that they are of average intellect....okay with pharmaceuticals used instead of or as a substitute for raising children in a healthy, proactive, holistic,, hands on way. They weren't in a 'position', for many reasons, to critique the Jen, Stephen, Maddie debacle.
Do they have social media?? Just wondering because I wanna take a look at them
This girl does too much talking and wanna saying about nothing
Exactly
She takes a long time to answer questions like Jenn. I’m completely suspect of everyone in that house. Maybe they didn’t know exactly what was happening but I’ll bet they all suspected it. There’s no way. They LIVED together!
absolutely... they ALL knew and they ALL were probably involved in the SAME abuse of Maddi... this whole thing screams of a Sex Ring.
I hope this poor girl is finaly at piece with love all around her 😢❤pray for maddie fly high sweet child
An “older woman” and then she says she’s 39. 🙄
She's an Idiot and can't even get her Story Straight
I thought that was weird too…
She's DUMB
This lady is making this about her. She should be ready ti tell all that she witness as soon as the interview started.
She over sharing. And giving scenarios that sound really familiar. Something seems off. I wished they would’ve asked her where her son sleeps? I’m curious. And it’s just a question yall.
I said the SAME THING! And the only time I can hear her (assuming fake crying) is when she talks about herself and her past!! PLEASEEEE 🤮
She’s trying to avoid telling what was going on in that house . If walls could talk .
@@sennni07Yes! Sh needs to be investigated ASAP
because everything is from her perspective and how she lives her life
This woman speaks almost the same as Jennifer ! Ahummm , and blowings between the speaking . Helping with the dogs ??Grazy ! 🤨🇳🇱
Exactly
Thank you Gray, I appreciate your time & hard work.
This lady’s son couldn’t have his own room but this monster could? Maddie had a part of the living room not even her own room. The extra 2 bedrooms should have went to the kids and that monster shouldn’t have been there. This case truly breaks my heart and I’m sure many others. I don’t see how the “mom” couldn’t know something was off after all the years this was happening.
I misspoke it was only 1 extra room but still.
I can't imagine having to live in a roommate situation with children. I simply didn't have strangers around my kids. That being said if there was a situation in which I had no choice (financially I guess) then you bet 100% my child would be sleeping in the same room with me where I KNOW they are safe. I think it was very fortunate for this lady's child that he was sharing with his mother with that predator in the house. 😢
The house owner would have determined the rent amounts, and this lady rented what she could afford. Stefan was Jen’s guest and was the only stranger there. This lady is a longterm friend of the family.
@@mj_writer2017 Jenn’s dad owned it from what I heard. Also when they were together before that was his room. They also talked about how he wouldn’t work or help financially. He spent his money on games and toys. Idk
Thank goodness her son didn’t have his own room under the circumstances, or he could have been abused by that monster too.
The adults in this townhouse seem very unaware and self centered. This is bizarre!
Birds of a feather flock together. These females are in their own zone. Jen with her pills, this one who never stops just goes in and out and leaves her TV on all night loud....lol 🙄
This roommate is not a good witness. She doesn't know anything, she doesn't see anything, she doesn't hear anything. She says she NEVER THOUGHT SS WOULD DO THIS and JS WOULD NEVER DO THIS. Wait till she hears everything about this case. Lol
Hmm Why the Lol. Absolutely nothing funny about your comment or this case pal.
@@TEBme-sf1it comment wasn't meant to be funny. My point was that the roommate didn't offer any pertinent info and said she NEVER thought ss would do something like this and he did but she also said the same about js. Js is not innocent in all this.
Thank you, I'm like damn .This lady doesn't know crap or just a good liar. I so agree with you!
@TEBme-sf1it ..he want laughing at what happened.,,, why don't you read it again....maybe you have a problem with what you read.
@@janiebrady4580perhaps learn to spell first, then read the OP post again. They ended it with LOL, and indeed, there is nothing funny about this
This roommate likes to hear herself talk lol she goes into over explaining stuff you can tell the detective is annoyed
She's guilty of knowing something she's hiding.
@@tennysonparks2059 I agree
PAINFUL.
Painful
She's LYING
The word LIKE omg
Why do so many act clueless, In that house hold? this woman is acting so clueless... or a good liar. They lived in̈ the same home and she didn't know anything or hear anything. And she says she don't know anything about Maddie and her death, whatever she's just protecting Jenn. How she doesn't know or want to know up until her death. She's a good liar. frfr
What a sick sick mother jenn was, partitioning off a portion of the living room for maddie. Share a room with her, or give her her own room, dont put up a partition up in the living room where strangers come and go in and out of the front door.
that was the whole idea.... Maddi was LAST on the list of importance.... because Maddi was messing with her "man"... clearly Jen's ONLY concern was Stephan.... Maddi meant NOTHING to her... and if anything.. .she wanted here GONE... FOREVER!!
they ALL knew... not one of them didnt.
Crazy, this lady lives in same house as maddy, and pays $850 for rent. Yet not aloud to go to maddys birthday party. And what kind of dad makes daughter pay rent plus collect rent when she is struggling. Let's strangers live in same house so he can make more money. Shameful, now wondering about the rest of her family.
Exactemundo
It was her ex father in laws house. I think he was just trying to cover the mortgage, insurance, taxes & upkeep on the property. Jenn seemed so unstable it wouldn't surprise me if the household bills (gas & electric, garbage etc) were in the father in laws name as well.😕
Allowed
Obviously you don't understand anything about a "mortgage payment?" Why would the ex father in law allow someone to live there free when he could be collecting rent (to help cover the mortgage) That would not be good business sense. When you own a property it is a business. It is not his place to enable her and give her a free ride. Maybe some of the "meds" she was taking were actually CAUSING some of her "migraines" etc.
Wow $850.00 for renting one master bedroom!😦
I pay $850.00 a month for a
4 room apartment and live by myself with my bird!
As a predator, I’d bet Stephan Sterns paid attention to all the roommates enough to track their exact schedules so he could plan his attacks against Maddie & not get caught while the roommates wouldn’t know things like that because they’re busy with work, kids, living their lives & since they aren’t predators or thieves who want to steal from someone else in the house, etc. they have no reason to learn other people’s exact schedules other than maybe a shower/bathroom schedule. That’s what I’ve learned from crime shows & learning about people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, sociopaths, & psychopaths. Their normal interactions with us aren’t their real life; it’s an acting role with a script they’ve made up to fool us just like a Hollywood actor playing a role. I would say it would be easy for Stephan to fool the roommates, but his parents & Jen saw some of the real Stephan, the evil & they just let it go or rationalized it somehow. We can see that his parents absolutely knew, & his mom is still trying to cover up for him, blame his evil on Jen. If I’m wrong, I’ll correct myself, but I think the evidence, Jen’s interviews show that she had to have know he was after her daughter & she just let him hurt Maddie because she didn’t want you to lose him or have any disruptions in her life.
@@southbug27 I don't believe Jen knew anything he was doing to Maddy and if the parents knew then they should have reported him themselves. I think SS groomed them both. Seriously.
Amazingly said! Also very scary some of what you revealed.
It explains how the roommate couldn't sleep and saw them partially clothed. He knew there schedules, but she couldnt sleep and that was when she saw them in the room together, and texted Jen..
Wow! Wow! Scary! Wow!
She let him SA Maddie, so she (Jenn) wouldn't have to, "satisfy him". She knew.
@@terriblackburn8766she absolutely knew of all the many years he were SA her it were all planned 😡
@@terriblackburn8766why would Jen text Stephan “Maddie can no longer sleep with me. I can’t risk it”? Risk what? I think it’s bigger. I think these two were making big and quick money by sedating Maddie and as she calls it (her own words) “sec is not evil”…she is fully convinced “this” SA was not ever evil. Maybe somehow Stephan had her brainwashed that the SA is actually “love” he was doing to Maddie, and that she would not even feel anything if fully sedated with meds and anesthesia, and they would be both making a ton of money with the videos and photos he would upload to black market. They were both making money off of this and has Jen convinced Maddie would “benefit” from it. As a struggling mom, maybe he got Jen convinced.
When he tells her he got a tip that she knew of the abuse, she got nervous after that. She was quick to change the subject, her voice became shakey and she put on a crybaby voice. These people are so strange.
I agree, & how could no one pick up on this situation? I just don’t understand why or how!
This is just so hard to believe no one knew all women living with one man not one person saw had a woman's intuition. I just can't believe them.
@@DianaMoreno-wu4es I think he is just that conniving to have pulled this off.
The roommate said she couldnt sleep one night and saw Stephan and Maddie in the room alone together partially clothed. She texted Jen, saying are you ok with them together alone? Jen texted back something like you're good, thank you. That was that..
I didn't hear the partially clothed part. I'll have to go back and listen again @@prissypacheco2860
Why is it hard to believe?
Is it because the people you associate with would lie about it?
You find it hard to believe because you’ve already decided that Jenn was in on it and this information conflicts with your judgement. It doesn’t support it.
RUclips true crime witch hunters are a strange bunch of people.
It’s Jenn who was supposed to raise her suspicion and ask Maddie but again Maddie was drugged and probably didn’t have any idea what was happening
I really feel like the mother was jealous of Maddie. It’s heartbreaking seeing the camera roll. She is so bubbly and smart. What an honest innocent soul what she endured for years. It’s terrible
This woman shows much more feelings than Jenn ever did..? Does Jenn feel nothing?
@@flora5803 Jen is ostracized for not crying, and then for crying. She can't win in the eyes of public opinion. She did right by finally lawyering up.
@JesusChristHeals17 But then she is jovial and laughing in the next second. If it were her meds, she would be flat all the time.
@@terriblackburn8766agreed It’s part of the grooming all peeps that knew him were surprised. Think of all the PDF s that r shaking 🫨 in their boots who shared content with that thing. UHg he is So CREEPY!!!!
@JesusChristHeals17plenty of people on same meds parent well and would NEVER send their young daughters to bed with SS.
I guess YOU would.
Jenn literally sobbed in her interview. She can't win
That loud "all night TV" must have driven the other housemates crazy! Hope police check the soundness of the interior walls. This roommate barely described any turmoil in the household. Hardly a word about the little girl Maddie, or worry for her own boy ( until the end ). This house was a cesspool. The detective could see right thru this woman. Only at the end, did she try to compensate for her inability to help investigators by opening her heart. Yek.
@@AmbientAuteur She told on herself when she first began speaking on ‘minding my own’ , ‘back in the corner’ (bedroom). She definitely knew! She’s just afraid she’s going to be in trouble for allowing it to. She should be!!! She didn’t want to lose her ‘housing’! Grrr
@@dawnacash3382 Brilliant
It’s weird that she remembers some things very well but others she doesn’t, of the same day! 🤨
She's careful to guard her reputation and her own decisions with her son. When these women start to use words saying ike, dude, bro, sht and fkn, they're defending themselves. She had to have heard and seen a lot more. Like their time in the shower together, for an hour. Was that when she complained of having him use the upstairs bathroom? Oh yeah, that's right. She keeps her tv on loud all night. How does she hear for her boy?
without a doubt... she said something like "I had the TV really loud, but i dont do that anymore"... what the HELL does "doing that anymore" have ANYTHING at all to do with the question?
@@sIXXIsDesigns
She doesn't have to do that anymore because he's in jail and poor Maddie is de@d!
She no longer has to drown out "everything" with the loud tv!
The bathroom upstairs is accessed from inside her room. That makes it very odd that Jen said the girls upstairs didn't want to share a bathroom with him. VERY ODD that anyone would share that bathroom that can only be accessed from her bedroom!
Exactly. This roomate is irritating me AND SHE BREATHES HARD AT SOME QUESTIONS JUST LIKE JEN
@@trish818 There is a second bathroom shared by other 2 bedrooms (master had its own bath). Other female roommate did not want a male using this bathroom.
Financial issues so I feel he convinced Jen selling images on the dark web and spy cam of roommate was a great way to earn passive income and Jen was like what a great idea with her weak mind then later said, I Can't Risk It! Just a speculation
Could mom have killed her? Could she have told Stephen to deal with it bc it’s “his fault” technically anyway? Could the jealousy and the missed period have sent her over the edge? Hence his poem/letter to Maddie. Instead of Jen being the accomplice and knowing and helping Stephen, what if she’s the murderer and Stephen is the rapist and accomplice? I know Maddie’s body has already been cremated but I hope they took enough evidence to check every avenue.
Yess this is exactly what I feel especially since Stephen hasn’t been charged w the murder yet..
I think that's also the reason why SS wanted to commit suicide,
he loves Madeline and can't live without her and Jenn has taken
that away from him.
It wasn't planned at all.
Take the incident that the backpack and laptop are dumped and
that there were cameras everywhere and
the lying and
changing stories and
Jenn who was comforting SS etc.
Something happened that night or
the straw that broke the camel's back,
something unexpected.
If that's the case, then I understand the predicament they're in.
Is SS, who gets a life sentence anyway, going to save JS?
The roommate is more upset & genuinely emotional than Madi own Mother.
Did you listen to jenn sobbing in the recent interview? Why is everything ignoring that
@@beanj580because Jen is damned if she cries and damned if she doesn't. She's had several people friends/family say she's fallen apart but everyone still wants Jen under the jail
@@terriblackburn8766exact. Non one ever wants to put all the blame on the perpetrator and have to blame the victim. They feel like if the person person didn’t know, it could happen to them. Just world theory. You can not control what a predator will do unless you trust no one ever in life and that is unhealthy.
@@terriblackburn8766she deserves jail! Too many years of this going on and she didn’t know B.S! She knew! Her fake cries after finding out her daughter was being abused and still acted normal! She deserves what SS is getting! She failed her daughter big time.!
@@beanj580 I was just going to say the same thing. I watched Jen cry hard and sob all through interviews. I guess others don't watch the interviews with her & law enforcement or they don't pay any attention to Jenn crying or they ignore the facts that she's cried a lot and would rather talk bad about her & spread lies about her
Is it just me or does this sound awfully sus? She’s the best friend and the sister never shared things regarding SS and or JS? Chisme we call it. Yet she questioned them being alone in a room so much she sent a text? It ain’t adding!
Agree I don’t believe her at all she is covering her friend, I just don’t understand how they all have kids sleeping with them in one room but yes she said she was always working and working but still do not have enough money the get her own place for her and her son, he was not a baby he was 11-12 yrs old not right at all just make me mad to hear all the lies and her vocabulary on an interview like this, girl get it together its not about Jen its about this poor child that lost her life 😢
Yeah, this chick knew, they all did.
@@janetgonzalez3575 everyone was benefiting somehow, but how? Drugs? Why would this woman work so much and not have more space available for her own son unless...... nefarious reason.
Exactly. I didn't know this detail till TodaY😮😮. Why was she so distant with her own Besties Family??
@@lyperez0218YUp. She is Jens Sister Best FRIEND. SHES GONNA STICK UP FOR THE FAMILY😢
This is so weird to me. So they were good friends and their kids were best friends but they keep to themselves except on holidays? I don't get it
Right it doesn’t make sense
You can’t convince me that with all the adults in that house, that no one knew what was happening! Being a Mom with a child , you should be very aware of anyone who comes in contact with your child or any child. If I was her, I’d be worried that he might of abused her child as well. Because obviously they all have blinders on !
absolutely.... and her sending Maddi in to sleep with Stephan could have been nothing short of 100% intentional... she KNEW what was going on and she was "OK" with it..... as for the rest in the household.. they 100% KNEW... there is no way you go YEARS and someone doesn't suspect something if not SEEN it.
The roomate knew alot
Jeeez 14 min in and the roommate is still answering questions that the detective hasn’t asked.
The ENTIRE first 15 min in sum:
Detective: “How long did you live with Jen?”
Roommate: “So, I was never there because I, like, worked sooo much. Like, Stephen might have been there but like I said, I wouldn’t know because I never saw him because, like, I worked all the time.
I mean, like, I was always at work and definitely NOT at the house and like, I don’t even know what Stephan looks like. He might actually be a piece of furniture I have no idea. My schedule-from working all the time-prevents me from knowing anything.”
Sounds like she's trying to be very careful what she's telling again because she's friends with the family. I feel bad for her. Then probably the blame why she didn't pay more attention.
She knows more than she’s saying!
@1:13:00 Jenn states M slept w her yet this roommate is contradicting her
@kimlarso Ofcourse. She's covering
Sorry - she’s a childhood friend of Jenn. I do not believe that she didn’t suspect anything. She’s more mentally stable than Jen so she sounds a bit more credible but I’m not buying it especially from this roommate. She got defensive about Stephan immediately -did you hear her say she did her own due diligence for her and her son? That’s some bullshit -if you live in a house with a young girl -it’s is your business too -point blank period. You cannot convince me that these people didn’t come downstairs to the kitchen or living room area. You can’t live in your bedroom 100%. Did these people never cook or only use prepackaged foods? Nah, they would have been in the kitchen -near Jens bedroom and Maddie’s makeshift corner. I think Jen is rotten and birds of a feather …
AGREE 👏🏼
No, she is a childhood friend of Jenn's sister and even if she was, that does not mean she knew something. Ithe way she talks about get sob and everything she does for her son, I believe if she thought that there was a person that was SA a child, she would have gotten the hell out of there and not chance her son's safety.
@@ccan2087 nah, I say she knew. She barely cried. She shares a lot of speech patterns with Jen
Allll shittyy ppl
Him having so many photos of him being around child environments and even working there is so gross. You know you would feel grossed out by his aura if you’re in the same room as him.
absolutely.... you can 'sense' people like him... and if you cant as a Parent? ... you shouldnt be a Parent.... Stephan had ALL the tell-tale signs of being a Creeper Max and NOBODY noticed? .... i do find that VERY hard to believe myself.
Seems like the roommates stories, contradict Jen’s accounts of things…. Hmmm 🤔
Which part specifically?
She didn't see Jenn Sunday or Monday and didn't know SS was even there so I'm confused by your statement
If you're referring to Maddie sleeping in her room, the other roommate said maddie slept with mom. So who's correct?
@@beanj580
Maddie's alarm went off in Jenn's room. At 7:45.
This roommate would be in the kitchen making her son's lunch every morning.
So when Jenn heard "someone" in the kitchen, she should have known who was in there. This roommate was the one up in the kitchen that time of morning.
The roommate says Jen didn't want to sleep alone. Jen and the devil all say Maddie didn't want to sleep alone. Agree, the roommate tells a different story.
Hi from Ohio, voices are very clear. Good job 👏
Thanks!Have been a member for almost 2 yrs!!❤ Love your relaxing voice, too!!
SHE KNOWS VERY LITTLE REFERRING TO THE MONSTER YET KNOWS HOW HE SLEEPS? HOW? HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS
its all an act with this lady... she is just as fake as Jen.
Yup
The fact she texted Jen and asked if she was ok with Stefan in the girls room and Jen says ur good girl was her tacitly being aware something was wrong but not wanting to rock the boat....housing etc.
@@shimmer8289 the obvious fact is... more than ONE person knew about him sleeping with her... and the worst part? ... NOBODY said a thing about it till it was too late.
if Stephan's Parents were SOOOOOO concerned for her... why didnt THEY do something as well? ... so IMO everyone that knew this was going on has SOME responsibility here.... everyone.
@sIXXIsDesigns totally agree when this best friend of Jens said she texted her to ask if stefan in the child's bedroom was ok and Jen said your good girl, she tacitly complied at that time instead of reporting her concerns to cps. Her loud tv is bs. Sooo angry at the people going around saying poor Jen, poor me wth poor Maddie !
Roommate gets emotional when talking about her trauma smh.
Yup she didmt care about Maddie only cried for herself
This woman knows more than she claims on this interview it seems to me that she was part of the furniture as well like how can no one hear anything. She said Monday's are hard for her so she tries to sleep early on Sunday's but leaves the TV on loud all night makes no sense, but okay 🙄
Wtf?! Really? We're now trying to blame room-mates as being in on it 🙄🙄🙄🙄
This roommate claims Jenn didn't like to sleep alone ... Jenn and SS claims Maddie didn't like to sleep alone ... I wonder which is right since Maddie's not here to speak the truth !! They are both guilty AF !! They should both be locked up !! I'd still love to know how Maddies one crock was found in Jenn's bedroom !!
Jenn in her interview said to the two Detectives I wanted to sleep alone and not be bothered by Maddie and the dog peeing on the bed. Follow the money. This best friend is not a best friend
i could have sworn the other Crok was found in Stephan's room... either way.... there is no way Jen didnt know what he was doing to her.... as if he NEVER tried something WHILE they were ALL sleeping together??? ... i find that VERY hard to believe.
Jen (IMO) was probably involved in the Abuse herself.... because i dont see Stephan resisting to 'try something' with Maddi in their OWN bed... i just dont see it.
How the HELL can the roommate STILL want to be there for Jen or her family?? Are you kidding me?? She should walk away and never look back at these lowlifes, UNLESS she knows more than she’s admitting to…
because they ALL had a part in on it.... which explains why she was so hesitant on certain questions... she had to "remember the plan" that they ALL agreed on.
She's as toxic as Jen. It's why they were friends.
It's so weird when ppl refer to themselves as a good person 😑 usually means ur actually not a good person. she also talked herself up a lot, she kinda reminds me of nikki from the chris watts case!! But yet u weren't intuned enough to realize ur best friends 13yo daughter was being molested for 5+yrs by her BF?? U can tell the roomate doesn't feel any guilt either!! I would be sick w myself if something like that happened on my watch & i had no clue, even if it wasn't my kid!! And how did no one in the home not have any suspicions??!!! I don't care if u worked 80 hrs a week u lived there and saw the goings on and routines. I don't get it.
Yup! She’s to blame too.
Yup. Exactly!!! I HATE alll those ppl
Shes lying about something she saw. But Jenns her friend, so saying she was too busy to see whats happening around her is bs
Yup
I dont need to see him like 24/ 7 to sed if something isint right...".i mind my own business " dont sit well with me; He was creepy & im sure it showed.. ppl watch their words. SHE'S NOT TRYING TO INVOLVED HERSELF. QUIVERING VOICE.
for SURE!! .... i see the way Creepers look at my daughter and i CONFRONT them about it... i dont just sit there and say nothing.... Jen HAD to have seen it... she HAD to have known... but was "OK" with it anyways.... she is just as guilty as him.
Yup she's definitely holding back. Smh
I really don’t believe half of the stuff she said, Sorry my opinion but I think she was not honest enough about the whole thing.
I'm taking anything Jen said as opposite of reality and honestly, that makes it make more sense! 😮
i like how everyone in the jen soto house "knocks out" when they sleep. creepy household.
for sure... almost as if it was a Pedo Haven for Pedos.... at least thats what i am getting from it.
To save others time because I just watched for over an hour expecting the roommate to provide actual information. The roommate says she doesn’t know anything and did not provide valuable information. She never heard anything, never saw anything. She was always at work or in her room minding her business. You will mostly hear about her own personal issues with SA and mental health issues. She genuinely sounds devastated and guilty at the fact she had no clue about what was going on.
Nah she saint Genuine at all. She is Lying
“Like, if like, um like…..like….like, personally like, seriously like!” Like WOW
like who gives a flying ..... ? ... you people are so petty... thats just how some people speak... especially if they are from Cali.... it has nothing at all to do with guilt or lack thereof.
The roommate also ignored Maddie. She treated her like a ghost and never paid attention to her surroundings. She even forgot her birthday. Shame on you lady!
Jen sent out B-DAY Invitations showing JEN (herself) was "hosting" the party... but did Jen show up? ... NO!
She’s a roommate. She didn’t have to
Like Maddie
And she actually knew the Family Like Why so Cruel??
@@BobSmith-ll9olHow can Adult NOT like a child?
When you rent you can’t be on your landlord business. All you can do is see the cream on top not the ingredients the cake 🎂 have in it.
So Jen was using the Handicapped Access parking spot all the time at the complex she lived in???She can walk, I do believe her disability is on a mental issue(s). The access is for those who may have wheelchairs & walking problems but since anyone basically who has an issue & receives ANY disability can get a handicap parking placard , people without compassion will take advantage with no regard to others. Tons of people can’t walk, she doesn’t care!!! She has a Placard!!! That mindset says a lot about the content of her character. Her roommate seems to be more upset, Jen is all about Jen.
Don’t assume because someone is walking ok that they don’t have a disability. My husband has MS and he gets pain, numbness, and spasms in his legs. He could be doing ok and within an hour or two, may not be. He has a handicap placard and was stopped by a police officer once and had to prove it was his just because at the moment he wasn’t doing bad. All I’m saying is, don’t assume someone is fine. She may have something going on that you just don’t see.
@queenoftheworld1
My husband is a fairly new btk amputee and he's worked out with therapists and a gifted trainer in the hopes of being able to run again but he can get a blister on his stump too easily. He can't walk to the back of a large grocery store and make it back to the car without risk of not being able to use his artificial leg for a week He catches dirty looks from lots of kinds of people who are just effing ignorant then they look ashamed when they see his 1.5 legs get out of the car
@@queenoftheworld1she didn’t assume, she knows like the rest of us that Jen doesn’t have a physical handicap.
@@okcquilter people are very quick to judge unfortunately.
@@Haru_Miu how do you KNOW that?
Nice! No interpreter needed. I didn't have the patience to listen to the other roommate interview. I'll probably circle back eventually and listen
So this women works 50 hours or more ( job with some titel ) and can only afford a room in someone’s house and can not afford a room for her son . Very strange !
Exactly!!
These people who are suppose to be around Maddie, want to distance themselves from this case. They don’t want to feel any responsibility for what happened to Maddie. Really tragic that no one cared about Maddie. 😡
thats exactly what they are doing... distancing themselves... if only because they damn well KNEW what was going on and did NOTHING about it.
@@beccaprof63 Only decretiv is counsurd of Maddie😔
I don’t believe this roommate. She sounds just like her Jenn on interviews.
no question... notice the HUGE delay when answering questions involving the Abuse..... WHY would she have to 'think' so hard?
Im not buying any of it. The walls aren’t that thick either. This is all ridiculous and if we find out later that it’s bigger than just Maddie I’m gonna throw up. It’s sickening that not one of these adults helped her
So it was JS that didn’t like sleeping alone not MS.
I caught that too. And didn’t JS send Maddie and SS to sleep together so she could get a good nights sleep? Something is so wrong with everyone who should have protected Maddie. The lack of any emotion for Maddie is beyond comprehension. I’m tired of this everyone grieves differently too. Frustrating!!!
@@Eyefartconfetti oh yeah... i hear that.... they ALL failed Maddi in one way or another... and there is no way NONE of them knew anything.
Wow! A lot of this contradicts what Jen says. She says she would see Maddie sleeping in her OWN bed, that Maddie slept in Jen's room because JEN didnt like to sleep alone. Jen said Maddie only slept in her own bed like once, and that MADDIE couldn't sleep alone. This is very interesting.
Yea the roommate WORKED SO MUCH🙄😒🙄The roommate IRRITATES ME
Jen needs to be in jail already what the heck is taking so darn long!!!
Thanks @Gray Hughes Investigates for the uncircumcised version of the audio. I won't need to ask for a recap during a live
She need not feel bad. She saw something and said something to Mom, and it was dismissed. It's on Mom.
If she saw something and suspected then she should have kept watching. What she witnessed was a CRIME.
It’s on mom and it’s on anyone who saw something suspicious and said nothing. If I saw anything questionable like a grown man and a young girl girl partially clothed and/or watching TV together alone in a bedroom, etc. I would be calling the police.