SABATON - Cliffs Of Gallipoli - Reaction
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"You the mothers who sent their sons from far away countries wipe away your tears. Your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace. After having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
I love the respect the Aussies and the Turks have for each other after such a horrific event.
108 years to this day, lest we forget.
Lest we forget.
Lest we forget
If I remember correctly this was the first sabaton (this or Into The Fire) song I heard back in high school, God that was so long ago 😅
7:10 also many of the soldiers had outdated maps
Old man and Sabaton, now that's a combination I needed
Local American wishing a belated anzac day to our southern cousions
Spelling checks out
First time hearing that song. Got shivers the whole time. Guess it's going on the playlist.
Watch the 2 part documentary on Sabaton history - it will make sense.
Happy Anzac Day from New Zealand!
Happy Anzac Day to you and your friends and family from Australia.
@@cpaul562 Funny, because one of my cousins is married to an Australian (very nice guy), and lives in Aus.
The thing that always sticks out to me about this particular track (by all means correct me if I'm wrong) is that Sabaton has a number of songs on how terrible certain battles were some are uplifting in a way some just punch you in the feels and stomp on you while you're down. Gallipoli has an undercurrent of anger that I just don't hear in any of the others. (Again correct me if there is another it's been a while since I binged.)
"Such waste of Life..." GALLIPOLI!
Yo! I just saw this is the requests! Great song to react to!
Greetings from Australia.
Here we go bois
You say it was the leadership that failed... well, I'll add in a little fact. It might have been different for Australia who were bigger, but in New Zealand there isn't a single old town that doesn't have an ANZAC memorial - there hadn't been a single community that did not have people-shaped holes in how life went on, by 1915. The losses were more reaching than our WWII ones.
officers and their pride, the bane of all soldiers and their families.
how will people in the future remember the battles of the present?
I don't know if you have listened to it yet, but any chance for you to react to Valley Of Death by Sabaton?
Absolute failure, because of generals and admirals who would could not get over themselves. The original plan was to sacrifice several of the pre-dreadnaut class battleships, driving them close into the shore defenses to break those defenses before the landing... when the admirals overrode that plan, unwilling to put their ships into certain destruction, the generals decided that they could still pull it off because "British soldiers are the best in the world". Without those ships, there was no chance for those men to overcome defenses nearly as powerful as the Atlantic Wall in the next war. I know Churchill never forgave himself... I wish I knew for certain that the admirals had understood as well.
Technically the original was to charge in through the minefields and coastal defense fire (sacrificing several pre-dreadnoughts in process, yes) and passing the Dardanelles without landing to put the Ottoman capital Constantinople/Istanbul under the guns of the fleet to force a surrender.
The landings was decided on when they did lose several pre-dreadnoughts and a battlecruiser heavily damaged after the naval campaign.
Thought I think simply putting the Navy at fault is an incorrect assesment. It is not as if the Navy simply left either, naval gunfire was very important in getting the landings to work, both in Gallipoli and later in Normandy and the Pacific.
As for Churchill, the man always was a questionable planner. A decent political leader to have in war, charismatic, inspiring and dedicated to the defense of his nation and to keep fighting. But he is also the guy who came up with Operation Unthinkable aka re-arm the Wehrmacht and use it alongside the armies of the Western Allies to invade the Soviet Union.
One of the big problems when it comes to looking at the Battle of Gallipoli when it comes to our perspective, is we have the full oversight of everything that happened, where everyone is and how bad it was going to be from the start.
However, when you look at the basic layout of the plan and situation with only the knowledge that the Navy, British and French forces had, you start to recognise that this situation is pretty much what would of happened if everything went wrong during the Normandy Landings.
One big note is people criticising why the generals would send them against entrenched enemies on a extremely steep cliff on open beaches.
Well for one, while games give us the perception of well dug in Ottoman positions on the beachhead, none such really existed. The Ottoman position were actually slightly back from the beaches and there reserves further. The main defences at the beach weren’t actually super prepared positions but only a small force of machine guns and riflemen who had been sent forward to delay the attack.
People questioning why the navy didn’t obliterate the defences or the generals on seeing them intact didn’t call it off. Said thing comes down to a simple bit of bad luck and good position on the Ottoman part. The area they had their actual defences were in a bit of a blind spot for the Navy, so that even tho they absolutely pounded the initial beach area and further inland, the guns either fell short or over the actual ottoman defences leaving them quite intact. Problem is, you can level an area quite effectively but if you can’t see what you hit you can’t confirm how well you did in knocking out the enemy. They comes to whoever finds them first - it’s the same problem that befell the British at the Somme. They absolutely levelled the battlefield however, because the scouts could only get so far in the day and evenings and the artillery to batter the wire into destruction went off only minutes before the attack. Well it came to the first infantry to find what got hit and missed and since technology at the time was poor and telecommunications completely new, calling off these large scale attacks wasn’t going to work - and didn’t help the telephone wires in many areas were dead too.
Plus take into consideration point 1. The defences on the beach weren’t initially there. They got supporting fire onto them during the attack but the big guns were out due to the fact infantry were in such a close proximity - yes dropping a naval cannon on a MG position only a few hundred meters away from friendly troops is pretty much asking for either spill over casualties from rock and shrapnel or a misfire and said artillery landing on your own men. 3. There was no oversight to how the situation would play out. All this was essentially first time situations for everyone. You can’t learn a mistake before it’s done. Yes it costs lots of people lives, but it’s kind of how war is conducted. Even in the early days of the 7 years wars, black powered warfare only changed between forces due to the learning of lost battles and dead men. Even the American Civil War, the tactics and strategies imposed by generals only came after 2-3 bloody years of hard fighting, and the generals that stood to keep their jobs were those who either learned from past mistakes or were the ones to not continually get men killed through bad leadership or costly mistakes.
War is sadly a learning experience and from the lowest men to the highest, the only way it’s learned is through the deaths of others. Be it the common rifleman learning to shoot better, throw a grenade better or even just keep their confidence and morale in battle, for even simple things like this can lead to the deaths of friends and companions.
1st WW was a big mesureing contest of the penises of relatives. Not historicaly correct but between the lines.