Michael Jai White: Tyson is Greatest Heavyweight Ever, Would've Beaten Ali in His Prime (Part 24)
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In this clip, action film star Michael Jai White gives his take on Mike Tyson's boxing career during his prime, which prompts DJ Vlad to state that the former Heavyweight Champion of the world could have beaten any of the greats, including Muhammad Ali, in his heyday. Michael Jai White agreed but offered slight pushback stating that Tyson often struggled in the ring when the opponent gave him a good fight and he never truly showed the ability to dig down deep and overcome situations where he was losing a boxing match. He goes on to call Tyson the most talented boxer he's ever seen.
This segment is a great example of Vlad insisting on interview himself instead of his guest. He never once attempted to draw out the point MJW was struggling to make.
You're so right. Vlad absolutely misses jai's point and fails to listen
@@rolandogbewe9629 he needs to be more humble. MJW is leagues more interesting than vlad and he makes everything about him
Exactly stfu ... he's trying to make his point and this mf keep talking
It's a classic example of a person not knowing ish about boxing or never getting in a fight but thinking they understand it better than you.
Simple and plain tyson was great but when he faced adversity, he never showed hes resilient like a Gatti or ward. So as a competitor or fighter, Michael jai white forced to fight Tyson would say "hey Tyson is a lot to deal with but if I got through his power and forced my will, mentally I can break him." That's something that takes away from his greatness.
As I'm writing, a great example MJW should've used was Ali vs foreman. Both were gifted but Ali had the character n will to deal w the punishment, rope a dope him to get through that tough stretch, n knock him out. Could even say chavez vs Taylor, Andre ward vs Kovalev.... even Pereira vs adesanya...
Yes I see 👀 that
notice how vlad get louder when the guest disagrees with him 🤣
That's pretty common human behavior
@@jerico9263 he'd an interviewer his JOB is listening to the guests
@@jerico9263 bruh that's little kid behavior
Lol clown
@@SuperSavageSpirit He's a multimillionaire and interviews so many talented people. You're here commenting on HIS video. How are you telling him how to do his job?
Tyson had a bully mentality , if you fear him he will destroy you but once you fight back and start to win , he falls apart pychologically and starts to doubt himself
Bs watch the Razor Ruddock fights they were legit wars, and tyson came out on top
You are %100 right.... that was EXACTLY how he fought... now Hollyfield, was a straight up warrior... but Lennox Lewis is without a doubt the best heavyweight in the modern era
@@seanbrown7881 no one had heart like Evander, fight anybody, even if he had no chance
@@seanbrown7881 I agree , I think Lennox was the greatest off all time , Tyson is my favourite and Holyfield was the greatest Warrior
@@zmedusa7 is that the only one you can name? Tyson had struggles against opponents that went back at him. He also struggled against much taller opponents. And his jaw wasn't as strong as it should have been for the style of fighter he was. Tyson had too many weaknesses to deal with a master tactician like Ali. Michael Jai White has said a lot of shit that makes the eye roll and this is one of them.
Mike never overcame adversity in a fight but did so in his personal life.
I understood what Michael was saying from the jump I'm not a professional fighter but played sports all my life. Just because you're losing doesn't mean you can't win but it's more to it than physical ability. He kept saying it over&over but Vlad was making him seem like he wasn't saying it in the right context
Do you have the intestinal fortitude? That us what he was saying. Can you deal with adversity. Vlad missed all that. Lol
💯💯 real talk! I got it immediately too and it’s facts. Tyson never really had those moments where he overcame adversity in the ring. We see it all the time in the NBA and other sports. It’s more about intangibles than the physical.
@@oledefense1033 but he actually did have those moments! People have over looked them like they never happened because he lost to a cpl hall of famers. James quick tillis was a very good pro who took Tyson the distance and ended his ko streak! Jose Ribalta took everyone of his big punches and kept coming, Bone crusher Smith took him the distance! Mitch bood green took him the distance! Tyrrell Biggs tried everything and got blasted in the 7th and Biggs was a super heavyweight gold medalist and undefeated! Pinklon Thomas was 29-1 and had never been knocked down, Tyson blasted him in 7 rounds. And when Tyson fought Tony Tucker to unify all 3 belts and become undisputed Tucker rocked tyson early in the fight, won the first 3 or 4 rounds and Tyson had to dig deep and win on points! By the Time he got to buster Douglas he was a veteran at 23 years old and got sloppy! He took more punishment in the buster Douglas fight than I've ever seen anyone endure and still almost end the fight in the 8th round with 1 punch! He showed incredible heart and chin that night! His corner didn't even have proper supplies for him! He was also Tested 2 times against Razor Ruddock and won both! He was tested against Bruno in both theor fights and he destroyed him both times and Bruno is in the hall of fame, he destroyed undefeated spinks, he destroyed Holmes ! He was even tested late in his career against Botha and Neilson and he both those fights with 1 punch knockouts! Mike was actually tested alot! And past most of them He only 3 losses that really count and they are to hall of famers! And his victory list is top 10 all time! He ranks top 10 in all major championship categories! And he was 5years ahead of guys like Evander and Lennox who were older than him! He was ahead of time and fought a whole career before Lennox and Evander ever fought a heavyweight match! So that also can not be ignored! I can't get mad at a guy for losing to another hall of famer and going out like a warrior on his shield!
@@robertrichard3879 👍🏾 appreciate the knowledge Robert. Especially how u went into details too! Great points, some I didn’t realize and some I forgot. I’m going to go on a tyson rewatch binge
@@oledefense1033 thanks bro..I put in alot of time and film study..Mike is the man
In layman terms he’s saying “you have to have the heart and internal fortitude to continue” .. Vlad just not getting it.. and props to MJW for being considerate of Tyson when explaining this. ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
I fully agree, take the Jon Jones fight vs Alexander Gustafson. It's exactly wat MJW is talking about (overcoming adversity). But if u don't hv tht in u as a fighter hw cn u be hailed as the greatest.
A couple years ago, I don't think he would have been so careful. That's what I feel anyway
Ali's real prime was never seen because he had a social battle to fight (not going to Vietnam and being shelved). Michael is right, Mike never really overcame adversity in a fight in the ring and IMO that is an absolute requisite for a GOAT.
*Agreed , Ali that beat Sonny was a different Ali that beat George, that Ali before the Vietnam thing was darn near untouchable! That was the true “float like a butterfly sting like a bee” Ali, the Rope a dope worked later in his career but obviously took a toll on him; and ultimately wasn’t the greatest strategy, but that pre Ali I don’t see anyone e beating that one*
67-68 was AIL prime look it up right before they Stripped of fighting
I disagree with that I believe he did overcame adversity one time in a fight against Buster Douglas and knocked him out but I got cheated on the knockout everyone in a America knew Buster was down way too long
@@kerrywashington4043 I get you to a point, Kerry, however, Buster was a huge underdog and wasn't elite. Plus, the long count against Buster happened before Tyson got knocked out, therefore in fact it was Buster who overcame. My point was that when Mike faced someone elite, then more often than not he lost and lost heavily. I'd like to add that I believe Mike was a huge talent but not a great, just my opinion.
@@rakbhogal3293 your judging the backend of his career. Buster douglas did not overcome anything but a ref who couldn't count Tyson didn't train for the fight either its the same with the rest of his career if he is focused and trains he easily beats those guys he would knock ali out
If Ali and Tyson fought 3 times in their prime if Tyson doesn’t win the first fight it’s a 3-0 sweep. Because, Ali speed, quickness, and footwork are on another level and his intrinsic qualities are unmeasurable!!! Tyson admitted he tried to get guys out quick, because he had a lung problem. Ali going dance til he tired then talk 💩while he whooping him. Ali also has a psychological advantage on Tyson.
Agreed Tyson was the best of a bunch of tomato can while Ali was the best of a heavyweight class that was the best the sport had seen. He fought and beat everyone who was anyone I have no doubt he would have beat Tyson for no other reason than the only scared fighter in the ring would have been Tyson. Ali knew no fear of any kind. Deep down Ali was a king and Tyson is a bully and they both know it.
Sorry Tyson knocks Ali out yall just nut kissers Tyson was fast and could close distance wana see how he beats Ali watch how he beat Holmes and please don’t at me with the Holmes was old Bs coz that Holmes went on to win a belt or two after Tyson dog walked him
@@eddiemac-637 You’re wrong young Holmes beat old Ali. Young Tyson beat old Holmes. And Holmes never won a belt or two after Tyson beat him.
A young Holmes vs Tyson would be interesting because Holmes had a great jab and overhand right two punches Tyson walks into.
Those were Buster Douglas’s best punch albeit them mediocre and Tyson got whipped.
@@JohnC-er3rg ahahahahha after he lost he Mike he won a belt stop it look it up! Stop lying you out here copping please for Ali
The prime Ali of 66 would sting Tyson to a ko, effortlessly.
Ali was much more talented and on top Ali was willing to die in the ring
Ali was the most mentally tough fighter that ever fought in any discipline. He showed this many times, went 15 with a broken jaw against Norton, absorbed everything Foreman had to give, lasted 15 rounds three times against Frazier, took incredible shots from Shavers, faced down Liston, and lasted 15 when he was old and shot against Holmes. These are some of the most murderous punchers in boxing history. Ali isn’t going to get knocked out by Tyson, period. Now if we are talking pre ban Ali, Tyson would be lucky to even connect solidly on him at all, too fast and slick. Tyson never faced anybody like Ali, but Ali has taken down many Tysons. I love prime Mike, but even he knows and has stated how special and great Ali was many times. This argument is moot at this point.
mayweather enters chat: is that the same ali that lost to a guy with only 7 fights!!
Plus Ali could go 15 rounds in his sleep. Tyson would've probably gased out in the late rounds if he couldn't get a KO
Henry Cooper almost knocked Ali out, cut the bullshit.
@@meginna8354 And then what did Ali do? He got serious and began dismantling Copper and the fight was called one round later in the fifth. Then he beat him after a stoppage in the 6th in their second fight. He didn’t fall apart like Tyson did against Buster Douglas or Evander Holyfield. Mentally tough, unlike Mike. So cut the bullshit.
@@meginna8354 good point. Any great Champ can get rocked . Facts 💯
Ali is one of the few heavyweights who had impeccable footwork along with Tyson.
Ali knows how to use his length to his advantage. Ali arguably had much more stamina as well.
@@sleepwalkermusix365
It is. When Ali was well past his prime.
What’s your point?
@@TinkerTailorSoldier1 he doesn't have one.
@@sleepwalkermusix365Tyson was 23 when he lost to Buster Douglas 😂
As a professional fighter, I get exactly what MJW is talking about. Digging deep and pushing forward is a constant effort but it must be done if this is the life that we want to live
If Tyson don't knock out Ali in the first three rounds then Ali wins by decision, Ali before they made him stop boxing because he wouldn't go to war was so fast and agile around the ring and his legendary jab would frustrate Tyson
They don't get it bro
holmes had a better jab and defence thn ali id pick holmes over ali to beat him
@@ryanscarrmusic2329 lol Holmes got mauled against tyson he's no match for a ferocious puncher like Tyson and one more thing Holmes beat ill past prime ali not the ali who destroyed foreman and sonny liston joe Frazier Floyd Patterson Ernie shavers ali would mauled him in his prime Holmes no match for Tyson or ali
@@ryanscarrmusic2329 better jab yes. Better defense than prime ali??? Hellnaw
Tyson was a better version of Frasier. Tyson would have been a major problem for Ali.
Tyson just didn't have a plan B when he got in trouble in fights. He kinda was like dang if I didn't knock you out then in his mind he lost. But that segment of being on top, he was the best.
This is an example of why people should listen to understand rather than listening to reply
If Tyson has never overcome adversity against a prime elite heavyweight how in the world do you expect Tyson to beat the greatest heavyweights in their prime
Tyson lost to bums when it got tough unfortunately, people he shiud.have walked through so yea. Ali shit he would definitely drug him out into that deep.water and let him drown in tired and lack.of wind. I'm a tyson fan but endurance is a thing. Period
@@alexdixon4550 facts
Teddy Atlas had said the sme thing that MJW said. And he knew Tyson better than anyone look it up. Tyson is my fav boxer and person in life. But What MJW is trying to explain is the rocky idea. Tyson just dominated Or loss in controversy. He did not have the Forman whopin on him Ali moment when Ali rope a doped and turned it around. He was so dominant. But some would hve liked to see that in the ring. Now in life he has done it better than anyone. Like think bout it his life he has went up cme down and then came back better than anyone. Imagine if he did tht in the ring like rocky against Drago. Tht is wht they mean.
Great fucking point👍🏾
GREAT QUESTION. Besides, who would want to see some of greatest fighters of all time - Marciano, Louis, Ali, Frazier, Forman, Holyfield etc - looking like Vincent Van Gogh? WHAAAAT? Can you repeat that? HA, HA
He's talking about Mike Tyson's mental inability to overcome adversity in the ring. Unfortunately Mike in those moments of not having that is exactly why he wouldn't beaten prime Foreman, Holmes, or Ali or allot of those "top level" heavyweights from Ali era plus ali already saw that style in guy named Floyd Patterson.
Facts! An Ali was the king of talking his opponent out of their game. Ali would have beat Tyson in 5 rounds or less
Tyson fans have no clue who Patterson is. Dont make their heads explode.
@@arch0049sure they do! They know about the cus connection
Only thing I learned from this video is vlad knows nothing about boxing
@@macmoney88 Makes sense, Tyson and Patterson are from Bed Sty. Patterson trained at the Gramercy gym on the corner of Herkimer and 125th, which is Cus D'Amato way now. Tyson trained in the Catskills. Torres was D'Amato's second champion at light heavy by knocking out Willie Pastrano with a left hook to the body.
Vlad impresses me with how stupid and thick minded he can be sometimes. How did he not get wat MJW was saying is beyond me. It's clear as day
Dislike the video
Facts!!
because mjw doesnt have a clue about tysons level and reality, hes never fought at that level, tyson would obliterate and dismantle him, its cringe like steven seagul listening to this actor dash sparer talk about such a pedegree fighter, cringe everytime this dude speks now about something he never did nor knows that level, since I seen him trying to show up kimbo slice, who was just being polite, kimbo would have knocked out his teeth but because hes in the hollywood money game people are nice to him now he thinking hes on that level? its cringe
@@parasuparasu-ki9gb so you're saying you fought at Tyson's level?
@@TingTingalingy Jessica stain? Can that be washed off?
Idk about that. Tyson couldn't even beat Lennox Lewis or Evander Holyfield. He struggled with taller opponents with jabs. He would struggle with Ali too.
If Mike would have beat Ali "in his prime" how do you explain him getting beat by Holyfield? TWICE?!?!?
Holyfield was a walking roid pot.
@@quinnwilliams2437 ..
Holyfield potentially used roids and Tyson used his mouth to bite his ears off!👂🏽At the end of the day, Tyson didn’t win! He doesn’t know how to overcome adversity. Roids don’t give you talent and boxing IQ. Ironically, most boxers that take roids never make it as a professional boxer/ athlete. 💥
Because holyfield would've beat Ali also
@griff501 …
It doesn’t matter.People seem to forget that fighters have still got beaten in their prime. being in your prime has got nothing to do with your performance on that particular fight night!
Holyfield had a metal plate inside his head if you watch his fights when he was close to his opponents he would headbutt them that is why tyson bit his ear why the fight between Holyfield and Lennox Lewis Lewis had a fat knot on him.
How can they think Tyson could have beat Ali, he had a hard time with Holyfield, Ali fought the best Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Holmes, even Tyson agreed Ali is the best, Bruce Lee now Ali, these youngsters dont know anything MJW he's cant be serious
Mike tyson prime would beat ali
He needs to rethink his thinking. There is a (trend now )where people are going back in history trying to discredit or make less inferior previous Great boxers, ball players ectttt. Go shake an old man's had in his 70's or older and FEEL the power in that hand shake ! My money is on the previous athletes !!!!! Stronger, healthier WITHOUT powder drinks 😂😂😂
@@m17-04 Mike Tyson was 23 years old when he got knocked out Buster Douglas, KNOCK IT OFF
He couldn’t beat prime Lennox Lewis
@@nocap7044 That's after staying up all night partying with japanese groupies and getting drunk. He assumed Douglas was a pushover. Not knowing that his mother recently died and that was all he had.
I get what Michael is saying. He's talking about when you're facing adversity, being able to grind and persevere through that adversity to be able to still win. I get him. Michael Jordan had to go through the grind and adversity to lose before he was able to win. Going through the grind is what he's talking about. Overcoming the adversity in that moment.
Exactly
Teddy Atlas said this same thing a while ago.
Seems MT went through and overcame a lot of adversity in his life. But was he consciously aware of it? Was it actually even thought about after winning pretty much all fights until he didn't? Either way MT at his best is a force of nature.
Tyson overcame no adversity in the ring to win
I completely understand MJW point. he is simply saying that Mike never had a Rocky moment during the difficult fights. Get your ass kicked during the fight and then make a surprise come back and come out on top. he is right, that never happened for Mike. If Mike didnt win in the 1st few minutes or rounds he wasnt going to win. But He certainly was the most gifted heavy weight ever, you didn't want that punch on your face, not even once.
He wasn't the most gifted. Deontay wilder, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson, Ali, Holyfield etc were all more gifted.
He wasn’t the most gifted heavyweight ever. That’s 🧢…
@@Jiron127saying wilder was more skilled is crazy 😂
I think Ali was too skilled and would have extended the fight long enough to wear Tyson down. Tyson was great of course, but he was a front runner. He would have to knock out Ali in the first couple of rounds to beat him
86 to 90 I don't think Ali would have lasted past the 4th round.
@@rooseveltdarbey9493 bruh come on Ali took on Foreman who punched waayyyy harder than Mike. Ali beat Floyd Patterson a guy who was trained by Cus. Ali beat Liston who had a similar frame to Tyson. Ali would’ve knocked Mike out.
@@rooseveltdarbey9493 he's outlasted every top heavyweight and best them in his prime and out. Mike would get knocked out
No way tyson beats ali. I been saying this for years. When tyson fought people on his level he lost every time. To the power point no way prime tyson hit harder than prime foreman
Tyson doesn't even hit harder than Ron Lyle or eanie shavers either. Ali conquered the best heavyweight era.
Totally agree bro
STRAIGHT POWER AND NO REAL BOXING TALENT . HE NEVER REALLY HAD TO FULLY BOX..
Cus D’Amato still alive training Tyson vs Prime Ali would’ve been a difficult fight for Ali. Post Cus Tyson would’ve been no match imo.
Ali had hell with joe Frazier .. Tyson was way better than Frazier Ali was going to sleep
MJW is far ahead of Vlad’s understanding , yet his patience and point is incredibly accurate.
Tyson said it best himself, “everyone has a plan until they’re hit”. Prime Ali always had a plan. Tyson didn’t.
He just explained exactly why Ali would beat a prime Tyson.
Ali would have mentally destroyed Mike before the fight even started.
Ali even said Mike would beat him on the Arsenio show stop it
@@eddiemac-637 Ali was just joking you mook.... Tyson said during the same interview that Ali beat harder punchers than him...
It means nothing... Two guys being humble.
Do you think a 50 year old, retired and sick man is going to say that he'd beat the current champion?
@@eddiemac-637 he didn’t say that. He said, “I’m scared of him”
He was praising Mike. Ali was done at that point with early stage MS.
@@Fat_Vegan he said Mike would whoop his ass matter of fact that’s not only time he said it there is another interview
What you gotta understand is, Ali had been overcoming adversity since Sonny Liston. Tyson is definitely still one of my idols, but a prime Tyson can't beat a prime Ali because he wouldn't be able to get inside, Ali's jab would keep him at bay. Frazier had a similar peek a boo style, and it took him 15 rounds to even knock Ali down.
Facts. Tyson wouldn’t last 15 rounds 😂
But Frazier was x100 tougher than Tyson. There was no quit in him and he a better punch output
@@jetla22 That's what I'm saying. Ali won the rubber match against Fraizier. If it took 15 rounds for Fraizier to just get a knock down, do you think Tyson could have did in 12? Unlikely.
Liston and Frazier didn't have the tenacity, strength and power Tyson had. It's not even close if Ali and Tyson fought at 21 to 28 Tyson would win.
@@rooseveltdarbey9493 Tyson will give him a challenge, but Ali had an Olympic gold medal and 120+ amateur wins, you can't count out his experience, IQ and conditioning. Tyson only had about 26 amateur fights, but having Cus as a trainer helped propel him to stardom. However, Ali's footwork and jab would have negated that agressiveness.
Interviewers interrupting interviewees has become one of my biggest pet peeves
Teddy Atlas said the same thing about Mike. That's the thing that had Mike in tears when talking about Ali- he said Muhammad fought to the death. And he did. Ali dug deep every time to overcome. Great fighters. It's tragic Mike didn't have someone looking after him after Cus D'Amato passed.
Ali in his prime was unbeatable.
He actually lost a couple times in his prime.
@@BarbaPamino actually he didn't
@@BarbaPamino his prime was 1962 1967
@@RoanAnthony so of he wins its his prime and when he loses its not? Frasier beat him before his 30th birthday. End of story.
@@BarbaPamino Ali's prime was pre draft layoff. Ali never lost before that 4 year layoff
I disagree. Ali pre layoff was too fast. He would’ve jabbed and danced the first several rounds and tired Tyson out. Tyson wasn’t very mentally tough. Ali also had a chin.
Man. Have you seen that clip of Ali and Cus lightly and I do mean lightly sparring? I think the fight would be a lot closer than we all would like to admit. At the end of the day Tyson would say Ali would win out of respect.
@@marcelprimes what this video have anything to do with it? Ali already beaten one of Cus' fighters to bits in his prime. He was playing with the old man, lol.
It's not real so it doesn't matter. Pretend world
Totally agree with the original comment.
Ali got his jaw broken by Frazier’s left hooks. Tyson’s left hooks were more ferocious…
His body shot upper cut was absolutely ferocious. Just absolutely beautiful.
Yeah, but when Mike hit Holyfield with that same combination, and Holyfield didn’t budge, Tyson was done in the first Fight!
All he was saying was as a fan of Tyson, we never saw Tyson in some underdog scenario of where he was losing the fight and getting beat up, and had to overcome that in order to win the fight. We only saw Tyson either completely DOMINATE….or lose on his own accord. We never saw him have a “Rocky” moment. Damn dawg, keep up!
Ali had a few rocky moments
@@sorakazama7031 and none of them in his prime. The rocky moments came after he made a comeback and still overcame the best around
Tyson Vs Botha - he was technically losing
Tyson Vs Tillis - he dug deep imo
Bro when you let Michael talk he gets really insightful. That was deeper than words, even with the talent you push yourself further and don't give up when it's tough. You overcome yourself.
Mike Tyson-"Ali would beat me, Ali is willing to die in the ring, I'm not!" When the fight got tough with Ali he came out on top, when the fight got tough with Tyson he folded
mayweather enters chat: is that the same ali that lost to a guy with only 7 fights!!
@@sleepwalkermusix365 this is only about Tyson and Ali and I'm a Mayweather fan
Anyone who has ever trained or been pushed beyond their comfort zone gets it. I have done MMA for years & so many times when you think you have NOTHING left, you tap into something idk…..spiritual that keeps you in the fight. Mentally sometimes you have to go to some extremes in your mind to psych yourself out of quitting. Example: If I don’t win(or at least finish strong), I will never see my family again. Sounds nutts to most people but the mind controls the body, if I tell myself “I don’t have anymore left in me” fights over.
Tyson had difficulty with Ruddock. Tyson overcame to win those fights. Watch those 2 fights. Tyson had issues with fighters that moved, like Holyfield. So Ali would've giving him a bunch on problems...
EXACTLY, You should read my post. The only people who buy anything in MJW statement clearly has only watched Tyson KO Reels. But not even just those 2.
Lol, you understand the sport. Most people's don't know shit about boxing like Roger Mayweather said
The entire series with Michael Jai White is PHENOMENAL!!!
i wish he could have this conversation with a real sports person.... Vlad only knows how to repeat what he hears other ppl say. You can tell Vlad doesnt watch ANY sports to where he can form his own opinion
EXACTLY!!
That's the difference between Tyson and Ali..that's where Ali tips him..a willingness to do it to death..which is why Alis second half of life was as it turned out...when Mike lost you'd see it in his demeanor his entire energy showed frustration as it did with Holyfield...but man when Mike was on his game..he was a force
Tyson during 85-88 is the most technical heavyweight we have seen, and he didn't even bleed until 1990... Having said that, Ali has 19 title defenses in 25 world title fights having beaten 20 champions and 20 hall of famers... Anyway, Ali during 64-67 was on another level as well.
Exactly what great opponent did he demonstrate this against?
@@ah2552 soon as he jumped in with best of the best he struggled
@@starwarsroo2448 but when TYSON jumped in with the best he was past his prime he had a short destructive career and when he was in prime everyone avoided him similer to ggg when he was in his prime no wanted the smoke same thing with Tyson Lennox never wanted the smoke nor did real deal not his fault
@@boxer7863 two words, Buster Douglas
@@starwarsroo2448 Really Tyson Ko Douglas but got a slow count. At that time Tyson was more focused on getting high and having sex. We all know what a prime Tyson would have done to douglas.
This is a man that clearly knows nothing about boxing. He had great knockouts but lost to every boxer with a chin, another deontay wilder. If you can box and withstand a punch you will beat both tyson and wilder.
Right on Michael keeping things real
with dignity and respect 👊
Mr. White, I'm a 77 year old Vietnam Veteran who very much respects You and your opinion.
I may be an old white dude but I'm not ashamed to say that I cried when Muhammad Ali
passed away and CHEERED the first time I viewed Mike Tyson take care of business. The
world knows Iron Mike had tough times far more than the average person could deal with.
But through it all when there was doubt, Mike ate it up and spit it out 👍👍 The record
shows Mike took the blows and did it his way - Credits to The Chairman of the board
Vlade cant understand because Vlade has: 1) Never been in a fight, 2) Never had to over come anything.
Mental toughness, heart, and character are foreign concepts to Vlade.
Lol I agree
People have to realize that for Tyson to even get where he got to he had to overcome soooo much. The idea of being removed from your environment and experiencing absentee parentism, growing up with white people who he couldn’t relate to coming from Brooklyn, losing Cus so early in his career…and all the mental health issues….he’s a champ
Everyone has a story and obstacles to overcome.
Not only that, Tyson overcame some serious height and reach disadvantages and turned those into his advantages. It's a look that the conventional heavyweight rarely sees which is also a factor in Marciano and Frazier's success. Plus Tyson was legit trying to kill his opponents. That's a different kind of emotional pressure to face which is why so many technical guys ended up looking so bad and discombooberated against him.
Of course tyson had s tough upbringing, but ali was still fighting a bigger war. Plus boxing was less profitable so the incentives was mainly on you. The gloves were not as good in ali era, there were less supplements, and even the medical attention was less advanced. If mike tysin fought in that era he would have a whole different style l, and if ali fought now he would have a whole different style. There is a reason mike will neber take credit for being better than ali. Without ali boxing may not even be what it is today. He created entertainment outside the ring.
Most boxes overcome adversity. Nothing new that Tyson did.
@@ah2552Exactly. These guys love bringing up the same excuse over and over and over again
Ali vs Prime Tyson could've gone either way. Ali could win by decision or late KO, if he kept his distance and tried to exhaust Tyson. Tyson could win by early KO, if he landed a berrage punches.
A prime Tyson never got exhausted. It was when he went to Don king where he started to party and lose focus and that is the Tyson we started to witness losing if he didn’t end it in the first few rounds
If i had ever seen Ali KO'D i could maybe believe that, but as i never seen that happen, i don't. Tyson is not even in the top 10, never mind beating ALI.
I agree with everyone else that the interviewer kinda wasn't listening to Michael here and his point was obvious. Getting past that, this is why my all time favorite athlete is Michael Jordan. His physical gifts are obvious. 48 inch vertical, hands as big as soft ball mitts. Unbelievable quickness. But his incredible will to refuse to lose as well is a combo rarely seen.
Prime Ali (1964-1967) is the greatest fighter of all time. To be that fast, with that defensive prowess, as a heavyweight was against the laws of physics. I sometimes watch Prime Ali's clips just to see him move; it was poetry in motion. If Tyson doesn't find a way to land an early knockout (good luck catching him btw), Ali wins convincingly.
Ali couldn't out fight Tyson in their respective primes, but Ali would out box Tyson. People (not you of course) need to watch some of Ali's early fights to appreciate his surreal quickness and ability to make fighters miss. Tyson would never catch Ali in the ring close enough to do any serious damage, while Ali would be racking up points with his superior reach and jab.
I think Ali is the goat but his defence had holes in it imo.
In my opinion, the reason why Mike Tyson never overcame is because he was never the underdog, he came out of the woodwork’s a beast, and was expected to win every fight after that
He had no heart. He never once got knocked down and came back to win a fight.
Tysons upbringing was difficult 👀
Same thing I was thinking . He had already overcome the biggest obstacle in his life . Which was his life
His upbringing was a double edged sword tho...it was a part of his ferociousness but during adversity in the ring he would revert back to the pain he felt when he was powerless. And that defeatist attitude would take over....
He sayin Tyson was a front runner. Once he was down in a fight, he never overcame any struggle, he would simply give in if he couldn’t intimidate his opponent. I definitely understood what he meant 💯
Don't forget Ali was stripped of his title at his height for refusing to go to Vietnam and lost out on his prime years, but still came back and regained his title, back when the title was unified and the heavyweight class was rife with great fighters.
MJW makes a great point. Facing adversity and digging down deep to overcome it is what matters. As it relates to Tyson, he never overcame adversity. And frankly, he never needed to majority of the time since he knocked almost everyone out.
Tyson faced some adversity in the ring. It might not have been Rocky style adversity but he had tough decision wins over Mitch Green and 4 other guys in the 80's. Tyson didn't knock everybody out in his best prime years.
@@thomasakarue5899 Tyson indeed went the distance in some of his fights. However, he did not face adversity. Even Teddy Atlas made mention of this on a number of podcasts.
@@SugarRayCharles. well, I believe he faced some adversity. Adversity has different levels. In Tysons best prime years, everyone always expected him to end all his fights quickly and Tyson has also admitted he wanted to get fighters out of there quick, so when he fought Mitch Green and the other 4 fighters who wouldn't wilt under Tyson's pressure, Tyson experienced some adversity there and dug dip to beat those guys over the entire fight. You can't be a professional fighter and not experience some degree of adversity. It might not be Rocky style adversity but at least once in a while as a pro fighter, you will face some adversity.
@@thomasakarue5899 Holyfield 1 & 2, Kevin McBride, Buster Douglas, Danny Green, Lennox Lewis etc are some examples of Tyson not facing adversity. Adversity isn't going the distance. It's when you get your ass kicked but you keep going instead of quitting/sitting down in the ring or biting off an opponents ear. I'm not saying that Tyson never had though matches. I'm just saying that when things got hard for him, he quits or disqualifies himself. A man that runs from adversity is very unstable in life. As a 37 year old man I had to learn this the hard way.
@@SugarRayCharles. We are not talking about Tysons later years. I am talking about his best prime (84-89). Tyson clearly was never quite the same fighter after prison. He absolutely faced some adversity in his prime. Tyson wasn't used to going the distance, so when he was forced to with Mitch Green and the other guys in the 80's, that was some adversity for him to overcome.
Lol Mike is trying to explain the aspects of the mindset of a fighter during a fight and Vlad keeps bringing up stuff outside the ring lol he just doesn’t get it haha
Wish he could just shut up
Vlad don't understand that it doesn't matter who the opponent is, Tyson's hardest opponent was himself.
🙄Ain’t nobody trying to hear that.
@@november7719 lol, maybe not.
MJW talking about the drive and will power to overcome adversity.
Michael Jai white is talking about that ‘warrior spirit’ , underdog spirit, that Eric Thomas & David Goggins has…. That moment when you have doubt that you can make it, but you find perseverance to keep moving .
MJW on the money.. Vlad tryna misconstrue shit az always
the older i get the more i see why vlad gets hated. he’s in love with hearing himself talk. MJW was clearly trying to make a point and vlad wasn’t listening at all
@@jaden5843 dude be scheming
He really isn't. He just does not understand what MJW is saying
If Ali could lean on the ropes & take punches from Foreman, he could do the same with Tyson
Mike Tyson lost to Holyfield 2x yet you think he could beat Ali!?! Ali, who beat Foreman and Frazier. The Tysons of his time. Absolutely ridiculous. The height, jab , speed
Michael Jai White is absolutely correct ! When you're a competitor you will encounter extreme difficulty in life and until you find that character to keep going in that adversity and overcome it YOU WILL NEVER FIND THAT GREATNESS WITHIN !
I personally believe 1960s prime Ali would have beaten Tyson. Mainly because Ali would out box him and clinch him if Tyson came in. But it’s a pointless debate we will never know.
And Ali was a MASSIVE dude. Alot of people who watched tv didn't realize how big he REALLY was in reality. He wasn't the massive KO artist but was very strong in the clinch and he knew how to handle and frustrate these big tough guys with ease.
He couldn’t fight through adversity, that’s basically what he’s saying here
One example is Tyson vs Razor Ruddock who took him the distance in a very tough fight during Tyson's prime.
Exactly those were legit wars and tyson had rough moments and still came out on top
It was a good fight but Tyson was never in real serious danger.
they fought in 1991… not prime
@@Bundy6Hunna
OK not exactly prime, but pre prison so still feared.
@@FunkHumpty he was more feared after prison tho.. and the whole point of your comment was saying that Razor Ruddock went the distance with a prime Mike.. but he didn’t
2030….. you don't know how much I needed this, thank you.
For me Shaq is the Mike Tyson of basketball both had unmatched dominance and are two of the greatest of all time in their sport but they had the ability to be THE greatest of all time.
Naw shaq is George foreman of basketball
MJW is absolutely right
Vlad just doesn't get it.
Nope, he's a typical Mike fanboy.
No he really isn’t
James Quick tillis frustrated tyson and Riddick Bowen beats tyson.
Negative. Ali beat hard hitting heavyweights like liston, foreman, shavers, lyes. Ali in his prime would have frustrated Tyson and Tyson would give up.
Tyson isn’t even top 3 heavyweights of all time. His record is poor, he beat two hall of famers in his entire career, an inactive, 39 year old Holmes and Spinks, who isn’t a natural heavyweight. Tyson had such incredible talent and was a joy to watch in his very short prime
I agree
The thing is he didn’t just beat them it was literally a obliteration they are hall of famers and they looked hopeless trying to survive and just dying and he had like 15 fights in one year and in those 15 fights its like 18 rounds total while he was 19-21 years old thats why everyone knows and talks about Mike Tyson and nobody talks about other heavyweights from that time even half as much Mike is just a icon cuz nobody moved like him out of the heavyweights he was like Fraizer and Foreman combined but better
@@Cenatcenat902 Holmes was nearly 40 and had been out of the ring for 2 years before he fought Tyson, which is a huge amount of time at that age. To reference that as Tyson making Holmes looking hopeless is a bit of an insult, I would have accepted that statement if Holmes was in his prime, but Tyson never fought an elite heavyweight in their prime and won. Tyson is an icon because of his style, and he was something completely different to the stagnant heavyweight division in the mid to late 80’s, but that’s it, he’s an icon. I would argue Holyfield is greater than Tyson
Lennox Lewis was the superior heavyweight
@Al Marcel Well that’s incorrect, between 1987 and 1989, the ring magazine had Holyfield ranked as no.2 and Tyson didn’t fight him until 1996.
Lennox Lewis in his prime would beat Tyson. Holyfield in his prime would beat Tyson in his prime. Look at styles and abilities. All three are great.
Prime Holyfield is not beating a prime Tyson with Cus in his corner
@@FoolOnCool disagree, Holyfield can take a punch, Tyson would not be able to get under the jab like he was able to with taller opponents. Holyfield had very good power as well and most of all Tyson had a glass jar.
Michael said talent wise he’s better than all of them which he is, but mentally he has to get over the hump and that’s what makes him most likely not unbeatable even in his prime so he kind of agrees to the extent that he’s not unbeatable which I agree too even in his prime unless he got over that mental edge a few others would have over him. As to which boxers could do it, I would pick Larry homes, Ali, foreman, Frazier, and Joe Lewis before Holyfield and Lewis. Both Lewis and Holyfield would be close though but I think Lewis jaw would be the reason he loses to a prime tyson even with a mental edge on tyson
Holyfield would be a good fight but I seen even a post prime tyson give him problems and not talking about his ear lol
@@beenizz5102 opinions very
Michael Jai White’s comments about Mike Tyson is right on the money. In my opinion, his comments is about a true warrior spirit . It is a mindset. You adapt to and overcome to your situation. Much like Navy Seals training.
How could Tyson beat ALI if he couldn’t beat Lennox Lewis..? Reach, evasion, strategy, precision, speed. Except Ali is the highest level of it. PLUS Ali would literally rather die than let up. Mmmm… I dunno chief. VLAD, stop talking over people who know more about the subject than You.
Lennox destroys ali as well. Tyson was faster had more power evade better,ali got hit often by weak keks. Tyson one shots ali
Yeah they are buggin.
Depends on Timing. *When * .....they fought. Ali got hooked off on and layed down by hook twice before winning the championship. Neither guy had the technique to get inside the way Tyson did. I doubt he'd have survived on those 2 occasions had it been Tyson that hit him. On the other hand Ali's best performances came when the stakes were highest which they would have been against TYSON. Tyson's best chance would be fighting at their best while they were both 20yrs old.
Bruh. You you have the same boxing knowledge as Stephen A Smith 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tyson fought Lewis in 2002 when Tyson was literally on his last legs
86-90 Tyson was a different animal
@@jacktandy7720 right
My Money on Ali, he 6”3 gone jab Mike head off….. Would’ve been explosive, Tyson v Joe Frazier as well.
Facts! Tyson couldn't even deal with Buster Douglas's jab. Ali had arguably had the best jab of all time. If a bum like Buster Douglas could beat Tyson, Ali would have had a field day
Tyson, as most champions do, looked great against tomato cans. Only HOF’ers he beat were Spinks & Holmes, both at the end of their careers. Glaring defect in his record. Tyson hit harder than Joe Frazier’s left hook? Harder than George Foreman? Unlikely he beats a prime Ali.
Thank you !!
J white doesn't SEE intelligence in Ali style of fighting, he beat Shavers(who George forman said hits harder that himself) forman one of the hardest punchers of All-times ! Jwhite showed me some imperfect thinking on something that's NOT martial arts !
Yep, didn't beat anybody
There are no bums in professional sports. Mike and Ali faced men who trained all their life to fight.
@@j.r.christ734 there are levels in boxing. Tomato cans are strategically used by promoters. Been that way for 100+ years in the sport.
Ali all night long sticking in moving Ali was a heavyweight version of a Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime!
Plain and simple best way to put it Tyson didn’t have the you gotta kill my mentality, when he was boxing he use to say that, but he didn’t have that mentality; and that mentality isn’t about how good you are or about how far you make it, it’s just you have that mentality or you don’t, later in life Tyson even said “Ali is the greatest, because he willing to die, I’m not willing to die for this shit”
But but what about the size difference MJW? Ali was taller and heavier!
Ali not heavier but taller and it doesn’t matter as much as you think everybody Tyson fought was taller than him
So? Tyson beat guys way taller than him b4
@@Norcal1990 but none of them was half a boxer Ali was. The best Tyson wins are old Larry Holmes and blown up light heavyweight Michael Spinks.
You make no sense, Ali was taller but not heavier. And Tyson beat guys way 6 foot plus
Yep! Smarter and faster, and had a better chin! Tyson himself said he wouldn't have beat Ali. And i totally agree with him!
Tyson got knocked out by the best
Mike Tyson was one of the best ever who done in the ring ! He just lost sight of his self period at the time .
Bro you can’t say he never overcame elite fighters then say he’d be Ali that’s insane
Tyson was fighting with the best of the best of that era when real boxing 🥊 was alive
I agree
I’ve been saying the same thing for years. Think of the fighters Ali lost to and the skillset they had (Frazier,Norton etc etc)….Then look @ Tyson’s athletic gifts and supremely underrated boxing skill when he was at his peak. Tells u what u need to know
Exactly
U could say the same for Tyson and the skillset would be even lower too. Also use context Norton came later in Ali’s career Frazier came when he first returned from being inactive for nearly 2 years with only one tuneup.
I would pay for an hour to sit down with Michael jai for an hour to talk martial arts and fighting!!
Why so he can tell Yu bs like this 🤷🏾♂️
Make sure you record it and post it, get paid.
@@alaymynora8162 You sound like a broad. You watched and complained. Knowing that's what MJW does.
I understand what he's saying. It just took a long time to get out. Love this brother! 😆
As far as someone's peak & ability, Tyson is one of the best
I love Tyson but he has never beat anyone truly great in their prime. 0-4. He is still a top ten heavyweight but there are levels to this thing.
Great boxer. Not a great fighter and I say that as a Tyson Stan. Mike Tyson to me was one of the greatest athletes I have ever seen no matter the sport.
Vlad is not listening or comprehending what is being said to him..I give Michael Jai White props for not getting Frustrated, I definitely am!!
The way Holyfield fought Tyson.....hell nah. Tyson didn't like nobody who punch him back. He didn't like getting hit.
Tyson doesn't beat Ali. Ali is about as tough a human being as there ever was.
Buster Douglas is Proof Mike Tyson wasn't Unstoppable.
Top 3 HWs of all-time: Tyson Fury, Vitali Klitschko, Wladimir Klitshcko
What MJW was talking about was mosr beautifully and eloquently described by Norman Mailer in the 1996 Leon Gast HBO documentary 'When We We Kings' about the Ali / Foreman fight. Mailer was ringside and described how it was the first time he ever saw fear in Ali's eyes, yer he was somehow able to summon up the fortitude and courage to overcome what to many was an insurmountable force. Cut and paste this into the YT search bar - Quando eravamo RE - When we were kings parte ottava. When I have had to face any major adversity in life, I always remember this.
I like this Brothers Movies and his Knowledge..The way he breaks things down is so cool
I ain't gone say Tyson would have beat Ali.🙄 People though the same thing about George Foreman. Ali was just different in and out of the ring. One of the few boxers who's boxing IQ and actual IQ was next level.
Kyokushinkai philosophy: Go down six times. Get back a seventh.
This guy told the 💯TRUTH
we have never seen the dramatic come back from near defeat fight with Tyson. I think thats what his point is.
Let's not forget Tyson was the youngest Heavy Weight Champion still to this day but the only reason he got there was because of CUS, Rooney, his corner and manager Jim Jacobs as well as Bobby Stewart who discovered him. Everybody he had wanted him to succeed. None of them were yes mans and people that truly cared for him. When Cus Died he had to make his old man proud, he was hungry to succeed and there was no stopping him.
After he won he still had the passion for boxing because of the money and fame it brings. Then everyone else started leaving his life, His manager passed, He fired Rooney, Married Gibbons. All the Yes Mans started appearing in his life, I'm sure he had some genuine people in his corners but nothing like his first go round. But let's also not forget Tyson won his belt in 86 against berbick and in the 90s Tyson had a networth of nearly 500 million. That's too much money already for the 90s let alone having a young Tyson in his early to mid 20s to handle. Not making any excuses for Mike but his outside life and personal life with the people he lost has absolutory massive impact on his boxing career. Also not forget you're giving a Man nearly 500 mill who was arrested 38 times as a teenager. No excuse for losing to holyfield and Lennox. I feel like he gets more of a pass for losing to Lennox for how poorly in shape he was but holyfield he was still in great shape. But for the Douglas fight if he had a rematch I'm positive he would have overcame that.