I have IS38 EQT tune from a Stage 2 IS20 tune. I live in NY, and I honestly miss the stage 2 it felt more responsive and powerful because in NYC it's alot of stop and go, in and out of traffic where the low end power was very useful and way more fun. Once I got my IS38 it was slower at the low end for sure, I have to hit it above 3500rpm to start feeling power. And I can be in and out of traffic like I use to, not crazy like the kids. But if I'm going 60mph and I need to pass someone I can press the gas and it will pull immediately. Now with IS38 at 60mph I press the gas and it's slow, it actually more gradual. Once it gets to the 4k then it's responsive. For me to feel like the IS20 responsiveness at 3k I need to have the IS38 at 4k. If that makes sense. Now for the IS38 positive, it pulls like a freight train after 4k definitely stronger pull then IS20. I get less wheel spin maybe cause of custom EQT tune and being DSG I'm on stock VW tires also 7k miles on them so pretty new. For me to have fun on IS38 I go out at night when no one is around and i hit it to feel that power. I had to do my Logs and send them to EQT and the words "Holy Fuck!!" Came out of my mouth when I did a 3rd gear pull on the IS38. Once it pulls it doesn't let go unlike the IS20 I feel it pulling at 3k and 4500 it would start to relax but IS38 had me back of my seat the whole time. But if you look at videos online people with custom IS20 and E85 file are pulling faster and harder then IS38 so it's on the tune. I don't have E by me so I want more power with regular pump gas and I wanted a more gradual feel then torque low end. Another thing the BAD about EQT is, it's very difficult for them to get to you if you run into issues everything takes a week or more for them to respond. I've had issues and it wasn't fun waiting 9 days to finally get a response. Also you need to constantly send them logs until they are done tuning your car which means you need to find a place to drive your car in 3rd gear from 2500rpm to 7000rpm. In NY it's hard to find an area to do that. I have to do my Logs at midnight or 1am when no cars on the road on a weekend to avoid weekend cops and drunk drivers. So if you plan a custom tune have an area where you can drive and my car goes to 120mph in a Pull and we are still tuning for more. It's caring to be at that HP and you still have to keep pushing until you reach 7k to Log it. Anyway that's my long response, with what I know now, I probably would of gone IS20 with a Custome Tune, more fun on the low end so I would enjoy the power daily driving and custom tunes let's you hold power longer like IS38. I love the IS38 power but don't like that I need to really hit it to feel the power, can't feel it daily driving. What I do is downshift and drive my car on 3rd gear with the RPM around 4k on the highway to more responsive as I drive thru NY traffic.
@@ashGR3.0 no it's TPC38. When I was looking to do my upgrade EQT had a 90 week waiting list. Yes 90 WEEKS! Cause of Covid everything was shut down or delayed but they are back with 3 to 4 week wait time for Turbo which is average. And supposedly the new Turbos now have been modified to Spool Sooner or I think the new IS38 can spool sooner so maybe it won't be as slow on the low end. I say contact them and ask first.
With the turbo upgrade did you also upgrade the intercooler and the charge pipes, this part really made the difference for the turbos and outlets. Just let’s it breath more!!
Thanks for the honest and practical review of upgrading to the IS38 turbo. My stock 2016 MK7 with 71,000 may be showing signs of needing eventual replacement. Its early still, but starting to get the turbo wastegate rattle. Not sure if its exactly the same as the MK6 or MK5. The clips made to remedy the rattle on the arm do not fit on the MK7. VW may have listened to complaints and redesigned a sturdier point where the arm meets the pivot. Instead of a flat arm attached to another flat piece by using a "bolt", it now sandwiches the flat piece on both sides, then a bolt going through all 3 pieces of metal. This doesnt prevent the actual wastegate from vibrating, which is what I might be experiencing. When the time comes to replace, I'll probably opt of the IS20 replacement since most driving is done in Manhattan as my daily with the kids. More power means mo money, mo tickets, mo points, and mo insurance premiums. Just because it can be done, doesnt mean it should be done.
HAHA! True! I'll continue to run my IS38 until it gives me trouble. IF I ever need a new turbo, I'll very likely go back to the IS20. Doing so will tame my exhaust note a hair, too. Thanks for visiting!
Thanks a lot! I stopped for the photo because I knew it would be a good "big turbo" joke in IG. Coincidentally, JR14 was in need of a turbo at the time; so, I tagged him to let him know that I had a source. ;-)
I think they're for ships. They're about the same size as what I recall from a ship on which I had served and I'm not far from plenty of ports. I also think a locomotive may use a turbo about this size. Given the large number of ship ports here, there's plenty of train activity, too.
Love this video! Got myself a Golf SportWagen with an IS38. Your analysis of the power delivery is spot on. In city traffic it's slower than stage 2, but the highways pulls are amazing. Surprised a Supra the other day on the highway. It was fun.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Oddly enough, older people through money at cars, too. I don't think I'll ever understand the owner who spends money hand-over-fist to "perfect" a car, then sells it to start over on something else after a few years. I sort of do it myself, but it takes 5-10 years to get there. HAHA! I think those who exchange and mod a different car every three years are doomed to be broke their whole lives, with the exception of top earners, I guess. Thanks for visiting!
Have fun! I'm sure the Mk8 is a better can than my Mk7; and the Mk9 will be better than both. But, if my car is still roadworthy at that point, I will probably drive it until it's worthless. :-) Thanks for visiting!
Outstanding video, Scott. Much appreciated. I may have a more detailed comment/questions once I've watched it a half dozen times but I just wanted to express my appreciation.
I just went IS38 with a GIAC stage 3, 93 octane tune. Been every single stage in this car, white 2017 MK7 non-PP 6 speed manual. Only 40K miles. This is my second MK7 GTI. I went with a stage 2 Southbend Endurance clutch rated at 465 ft-lbs torque to hold the power. Would have gone stage 3 if I could do it over but it seems to be holding the power just fine for now. I absolutely love this upgrade. I didn't think I would like the loss of the low-end, punchy torque but the power when you push the gas down a little harder is totally worth it. It's only the difference of a few hundred RPMs shifted to the right of the range before the powerband kicks in but, I would get tremendous wheel spin, punching it on the IS20 in 1st through 3rd so, no real "loss" there. Now, I do still get wheel spin, maybe more if I really slam it down but, not right on that initial take off like before. It's overall faster but your review is spot on and worded very well. I couldn't agree with you more and I appreciate you taking the time to make this vid.
I am so happy i looked at this video , I just upgrade stage 2 with EQT dsg tune. And was hoping to do the turbo swap, and i agree with saying if your not punching it as it should be dont do it. I live on an island with no highways so i think i would enjoy it as is . Thanks for sharing
I appreciate that! I'm not doing as much as other channels in the form of power and handling mods. But I hope I'm conveying just how useful these fun cars can be! Thanks for visiting!
Thanks! 👍 My daughter is interested in a turbo upgrade for her 1.8T. I think an IS38 would be too laggy, especially with a manual transmission. But I think an IS20 would be a sweet spot on her car. Time will tell which way she goes. Take Care!
@@StealthGTI I’m on is20 on my 1.8 GSW 4MOTION. With 6MT. It is awesome, punchy and reliable. But aftermarket clutch is required. however lots of 1.8 are on is38. Yeah a tad bit more delay and less responsive. But no big deal. She’ll need a clutch no matter what. If she’s more than often driving in city, is20 is the way.
Bought a brand new GTI on the 12th. Went to a Stage 1 5 days after buying it. Integrated Engineering tune. CAI, turbo inlet and turbo muffler delete also and the gains are already night and day. Plan to go to Stage 3 and can't wait. I recently sold my SRT Scat Pack and am eager to get my GTI close to its power. Great video and appreciate the input!
Have fun! I have to confess that I think the Dodge may be more reliable at Scat Pack power levels than a GTI that's modified for it. But I think the GTI is a more practical daily driver. Thanks for visiting.
@@shizabox - Very nice! APR rebranded that tune and now calls it "Stage 3." I felt that "Stage 2+" was more appropriate, but it's their marketing. ;-) Anyway, we're on the same tune.
Great review as usual, I have been debating doing is38 this summer as well. Unfortunately this doesn't make it easier lol. Currently stage 2 ie and it's been great.
Good luck with your decision. Given my daily driving style and what I know now, I think I'd stay with Stage 2 if I were to do it again. I don't regret Stage 3; I just think it's a better fit for my urban driving. Take Care!
Great video, thanks for providing your perspective on the IS38 upgrade. It definitely adds some drama to the experience! I hope your shoulder heals well if it hasn't already. Cheers!
Thanks for the comments and well wishes! My shoulder is fine now. I had tweaked my neck, which prompted me to take a muscle relaxer. Later, I was tossing some 3/4" plywood into a dumpster and felt fine. I suspect the muscle relaxer kept me from feeling discomfort that would have told me, "Don't toss so hard!" Instead, I probably pulled/strained something around the rotator cuff. I'm glad it wasn't a tear. I was fine after about a month. Thanks again!
Intake manifold from integrated engineering, S3 injectors and mass air sensor, and fuel pump would help tremendously alot with low end torque and power to the wheels
TO ANSWER YOUR "TQ" QUESTION: It all depends on the Turbo and how much the torque dips after meeting with HP. If (hypothetically) the IS38 (by design) could hold torque just a tad longer (on that particular tune), then you would have >TQ / But, also higher WHP. Albeit, if you had an IS38+ version and ran E85 - you would probably see the numbers that would make more sense. Hope that explains it in laymens terms.
My GTI just got rear ended and totalled and I decided to go the alltrack route specifically for AWD since they're around the same price as a GTI and not crazy expensive like the R. Still deciding between IS20 and IS38, after seeing this video I'm leaning back towards IS20 since APR has a tune that doesn't require any other hardware changes and it sounds like the daily drivability is a lot better.
@@Eric-gq6ip My alltrack has an Is38 and i love it! But I think you’d definitely be happy with an IS20 as well! It did cost quite a bit for downpipe intercooler new clutch (since I’m manual) etc.
Traction control on with your 3rd gear pull will cut a lot of boost, even when the traction light doesnt blink. I can see it all the time with my boost gauge
Thanks for the note. I need to look into disabling traction control permanently. OBDEleven isn't cutting it. I'll check VCDS to see what it offers. Thanks for visiting!
@@JShayy - I must admit that I miss the low-end grunt that allowed me to make a quick pass without downshifting. But the "holy sh*t" reaction from some of my passengers during a high-rev sprint is priceless. 🤣
@@StealthGTI Nice! I moved from Apr high torque stage 2 latest version to EQT. EQT stage 2 is much more like earlier versions of Apr with torque up front. EQT dsg drops to 5th on the hwy so easily in comparison to Apr. It would be really interesting of you drove an eqt is38 gti in comparison
I should follow-up with something. The turbo has nearly 100,000 miles now. The car runs great, but sometimes I miss not needing to downshift to access loads of torque. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI wow - that racked up quick! On the dyno graph it only looks like 200 rpm but the way the torque comes on must be different too. I might slip and buy a turbo too... Thanks for your videos!
Given the GTI's tall gearing, I might rule this upgrade out. Great review. I could see where absolutely it is so much fun to drive... but my 7.5 needs all the torque it can get.
Right on! If you're mostly a city driver, I don't think you'll like it. I don't regret the upgrade, but I do miss being able to give the accelerator a quick stab to pass without downshifting. BUT, if I can anticipate the pass and get in the right gear first, HOLD ON! :-) Thanks for visiting!
You should! My daughter's Golf has an IS20. It made a huge difference in the 1.8T's spunk and power, all without any apparent loss of low-end torque. I shared a video of her first drive in the upgraded car at ruclips.net/video/WOE8lWxRukQ/видео.htmlsi=bRQidCWj50UFsZSH. Thanks for visiting!
A very mature and intelligent look at doing the IS38 upgrade. I am a plumber and totally understand labor, material expense, and maintenance. Starting bone stock, I believe if the turbo fails, or any part for that matter, there will most likely be an aftermarket part to fix it, that is most likely better than Volkswagen OEM, have good availability, and a knowledgeable community. The position of foot on pedal is very important to me. Can the mode button just have 4 different custom maps?
Thanks for posting. While many aftermarket options can be an improvement, many also cut corners to keep costs down. As a result, I like the OEM option. APR's tune seems to keep things operating within comfortable limits of the factory Golf R/S3 turbo. Regarding custom maps, I think some companies may offer switchable maps, but I don't know if any of them work with the Mode button. Thanks for visiting.
IS20 hybrid is the sweet spot. I went with a k03 hybrid. (Mk6 gti) A pedal controller ( Burger motor sport) from any company will get you back to where you want to be. I do alot of canyon carving, and this setup is more responsive than say; a K04 or something even bigger.
WOW! I'm behind on my replies! I think a hybrid could be a sweet spot, too. But I'm an APR fan boy and will stick with the parts that I know work with their tunes. Thanks for visiting!
You won’t get more grip running summer tires. I’ve tried them all. You will get more grip around corners, but your second and third gears will always spin in a straight, no matter the setup.
If your missing gears try installing shifter linkage mods. 1)ecs solid shifter inserts. 2)solid shift bracket bushings. 3)optional euro short shifter kit. You definitely won't be missing gears after these.. and cheap.
Thanks for the tips! However, the primary reason for my missed shifts was a shoulder injury. The forward/outward motion of the 2-3 shift (same with 4-5) was quite painful and easy to mess-up. My shoulder is fine now. Thanks for visiting.
I felt a similar "meh" feeling about my unitronic ECU flash upgrade. Yeah I feel a lot more torque when I floor it on an onramp and yeah the number gains were a good "deal" for the price vs hp/torque I gained but really at the end of the day the only time I get to use this performance boost is for on ramps. The DSG reprogramming from them was well worth it though as they have much better shift points programmed in and if I had to pick only one or the other, I would pick the TCU reflash. The ECU reflash I could have done with out but I just tell myself it was a good "deal" as it was on paper. The money spent on new speakers, helix subwoofer and noico sound deadening were better use of time/money in that I use them in 100% of my time driving vs only on rare occasions.
you should get a bfi shifter knob You can lower the shift knob and have a shorter throw to help out with that bad shoulder. Also get a short shifter kit. Probably would help your shoulder.
@@StealthGTI 6MT. I'm also in a MK7 GLI which has even taller gearing then the GTI (due to taller tires). Hope it's not too laggy. I'll prob get used to it.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 - Not sure about the taller gearing conclusion. To my knowledge, the FACTORY tire size on both cars is 225/40-18. Even if the GLI had a larger tire diameter, VW would have changed the final gear ratio in the transmission to compensate and keep the engine in its happy-zone. So, unless you have larger tires by choice, you have nothing to worry about. I just realized that you may have the turbo installed by now. How do you like it?
Yes! I figured it was either locomotives or ships. We have plenty of both here. I've seen shipboard turbos. I could only imagine a locomotive might be similar, albeit in a smaller engine bay. Thanks for visiting.
If you need a new turbo ANYWAY (my '15 GTI Autobahn which I purchased not 7 months ago as a one-owner 53K mile car apparently does, at 54K) and are looking at similar expense anyway it's very hard to resist. The car is currently running a Unitronic Stage 2 tune w catted DP (previous owner installed at approx 40K) which I have to assume contributed to this absurdly early turbo failure, or not, as it seems getting a lousy factory turbo can just happen to unlucky Mk7 owners now and then. Unitronic has an IS38 upgrade Stage 2+ tune and as the car came with their accessport connector and switching it to my name is a one-time $150 cost for all their tunes, so that'd be the cost-effective way to deal with tuning. Don't wrench myself but know a local VW/Audi tech who will do the install for me, whatever turbo I go with, as a side gig, so will be much less than the $4500 my local rip-off German Specialty shop quoted me (to replace and install another OEM IS20.) The car's used as a light daily (work at home) which means grinding, horrific Atlanta traffic and streets and freeways, but weekends to be let loose in the mountains and eventually, track. It's a manual 6 as well, making the city grind that much more not fun, and the loss of low end does concern me. Maybe a hybrid creation? Bit more $ upfront but seems like a lot of the upsides of both. Oh, and emissions were a real drag initially w the Stage 2 and DP (even catted) took a lot of $$ noodling by said Specialty shop to get it to pass, wonder if bigger turbo adds to that headache as well. TY for your info-packed and candid vid, it's very helpful, and I've got a big decision to make! Cheers!
I considered the TPC20. But being a bit of an APR fan boy and not wanting to get too specialized compelled me to stay with a known recipe, even if it's a little more bland than the spicy stuff. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
HAHA! I think I mentioned in the video that I like the conservative tune. It'll keep me out of trouble, mechanically speaking. I think things get risky beyond 400 hp, especially without internal work. I think this is it for me. :-) Thanks for visiting!
Haha did not see this one coming for you, but i love that you just popped off and did it. Hope you have some more fun with it off camera. You haaaave to redline 3rd 4th and 5th...haaaaave to...for science.👍👨🔬 Ever thought about going to a dyno just to see what your car makes officially?
HAHA! This video has a redline run in 3rd gear. I may do a fourth gear run during my next visit to Texas. But I'm not sure when that'll be. As for the dyno, dyno's are known to put more stress on the driveline than genuine road driving. Since my clutch *may* be operating near its torque limit, I'm content to accept APR's claim (and round down) and just drive the car. Thanks for visiting!
Just get 235/40R18 tires on 8x18 wheels. Summer compound and wider tread surface should reduce whell slip 80% I think. If engine can handle 400 wonder why R has stronger internals for 300. Wonder when GTI get same R engine as OE HP gets tuned up each year. Reason Clubsport 40 was special, R engine in a GTI.
I'll try the 235s next summer. As for the stronger internals on the R, VW tends to over-engineer their drivetrains for improved reliability. It is said that the GTI is good for 400 hp before internal work or additional fueling is needed. I've read similar reports that the R is good for 500. Of course, that may all be wrong. It just seems to be the popular opinions. Regardless, my driving style is mostly sedate, with only occasional romps into the power. IF I sell my car before it explodes, it will probably be one of the best-maintained, pampered IS38 GTIs that can be found. :-) Take Care!
IS38 powerband is linear while the is20 is full of torque. Basically the is20 will always jump a is38 at a lower speed but the is38 will catch it but the is38 pulls hard after 90mph anything before it’s slow.
Not true. Assuming a WOT drag race, the IS38 will be in its power band after about 40 mph. From there, The IS20 may take the first 100-ft, but the IS38 will overtake and pull away after 40-60 mph. Still, as you said, the margin will get even wider above 90. The IS38 is only "slow" when driven non-aggressively. Rev it and it will please. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI you taking to a guy with a is38 on mpi lpfp and e85. I’m talking actual e30-e85 is20s will definitely put big margins on a pump is38. E85 is20s are making 360whp with torque levels exceeding most is38s especially at lower rpm’s. Like I said a is20 especially with fueling will easily put a hurting on a is38. Is20 only needs a hpfp for e85 on a is38 like I have you need both hpfp/lpfp or mpi and lpfp to run anything above e48. I’m making over 400whp and run a 9.6 60-130 on the is38.
@@NerdGenius - You didn't say you were comparing apples and oranges. Of course, the IS20 with ethanol will outpower pump gas IS38. My video is strictly talking about the turbos, as was my reply to you. Fueling mods changes the game. Thanks for clarifying.
You can alleviate the low end torque with a cobb access port. You probably would of been happier with a EQT IS38 or JDEuro IS38 plus you get both low end and high end torque.
5:05 That's a clear nope from side. This really isn't about me trying to take the piss on you, it's about me exactly being there in the past and knowing how you feel like. On my MK5 GTI my stock Turbo went so decided to upgrade to an K04. The K04 sure as hell is a whole different story when being on full chat but man, to this day (more than 1 year in) i didn't get used to the loss of low end torque. You have to bare in mind though that on the platform i'm speaking about the low end torque loss is way more dramatic than on yours. With the K04 more or less nothing happens till 2500ish RPM whereas with the K03 the thing spools right from 2000rpm. It's just so satisfying when you are cruising behind a car or two in 6th gear with 2000 rpm and when the road opens up you can just pass them effortlessly (that being an example for a daily type scenario). Or when being on some twisty roads you can just use the low end torque, without always feeling the need to rev the hell out of the car, and you're already fast. Of course not as fast as with the bigger turbo being on full chat but i found myself more often than not not wanting to go full send so i probably prefer the low end torque for going already fairly fast without what it feels like any effort compared to the big turbo where you always feel like needing to switch down a gear. I'm currently on the fence of keeping the car but if i do so, i heavily consider upgrading (or rather downgrading!?) to an K03 hybrid which gives me ever so slightly less power than the k04 but way earlier spool and that low end torque usable low effort type of fun back i'm missing to this day. Point is : considering what you've said in the video, i think you made the wrong purchase and keep telling yourself the opposite and try to justify it with scenarios that are pretty untypical when it comes to your driving style. Considering your usual usecase of the car you'd have way more fun with the low end torque instead of all the power that's higher up in the rev range since you're using that way less anyway. I think you would've been much better off with an IS20 hybrid (LM440 IS20) for example. Again, this really wasn't me taking the piss on you but just sharing my thoughts. The loss of low end torque that comes with swapping to an bigger turbo is an really interesting topic and you did a good job of elaborating/informing on that because this is heavily overlooked by a lot of people i think. Most are just chasing the high numbers but when they got them they might realize that the low numbers might be just as important, if not more.
I appreciate your perspective. I will say, though, that there's a much greater loss of torque between the K03 and K04 than with the IS20 and IS38. I do miss being able to just stab the accelerator without a downshift. I've said in more than one video that I'm a "lazy driver" who'd get more out of the car by simply downshifting. HAHA! Of course, driving a DSG would resolve the disadvantages of my lazy driving habits. Regardless, I do enjoy what the car can do now. I just have to drive it differently to exploit that. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI Yeah no doubt that the difference between K03/K04 is way worse than IS20/IS38 when it comes to low down torque loss. Still though, kind of the same to an decent extend. I know where you're coming from and i'd still say you probably put on a turbo that isn't quite suited to your driving profile. Again though : not trying to take the piss on you or something, just saying... Have a good one mate.
I had a 2015 GTI Mark 7. I always felt that the limiting factor for power on that car was traction. I wished for more horsepower but didn't think the car would handle it. This should be interesting to watch. I solved that problem with a 2021 BMW m240i XDrive. Still missed the GTI though.
The traction limitation was keeping me from doing this sooner... that and money. HAHA! Sometimes, I wish I had an R, but I'm not interested in spending that much on another car. Thanks for watching.
Good oil change lol, just upgraded to an Is38 on my MK7 gti , but I have an EQT Is38 stage 2 tune and damn my car is crazy now , it still pulls hard in 6th gear!! You need to ditch APR get yourself a Cobb Accessport and a EQT tune , you will be amazed how much better of a tune it is, I still have low end grunt with my is38, you just need a better tuner, you want punchy get an eqt tune and 50 hp? Lol an IS38 adds over 100hp I work in my own MK7 my car has all the punch , I guarantee that APR tune is not even close to my EQT tune ,my car pulls hard from a stop and up top , try it and I think you’ll will be surprised
Save your time and money and get a protune from Stratified and he’ll tune it just the way you want it, boost by gear is key. I have mad respect for APR but between them and Stratified there is no comparison. Love the build
My money was spent on APR long ago. So, getting Stratified, even if it's better, is just more money chasing after the original money. I'm good to stay where I am. :-) Thanks for visiting!
I have read a few stories of people having "crank walk" issues with the manuals transmissions when they upgrade power. I know its not super common, but common enough that it should be taken into consideration as well. It doesn't affect cars with the DSG option, just the manual. Very strange. For myself? I came from a 400 AWHP Lancer Evo 9 to a GTI. I like to AutoX, and drive mainly in town, and occasionally on trips on the highway. Where I live (California) the state is VERY strict on modifications on cars. Each time you get your smog test for your reg (every 2 yrs here) they are now scanning your OBDII to check for "tunes". If you car has a non CARB approved tune? You get a fine plus you have to come back to prove your car had the tune removed. They also have banned oil catch cans, and your exhaust can't be too loud. Importunely this is the trend happening across the USA. Stricter emissions, and what not leading to modifying your car to be very difficult. So with that all being said? I am keeping my GTI stock. Just not worth the headache with the officials.
It seems to me that overly stiff clutches contribute to crank walk more than the added power. And, while DSGs are far less prone to crank walk, they do get it, too. However, I think the clamping forces are applied to the thrust bearing differently with DSG cars. Regardless, when looking at shear numbers, crank walk appears to be a rare thing. Yes, we may see hundreds of threads about it online, but there are hundreds of thousands of GTIs out there that haven't had crank walk. That's reassuring. Regarding strict emissions states, yes, California is among the worst of them. There are five other CARB-compliant states that I'm aware of, mostly in the northeast. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it. I was stationed in CA twice, left my cars registered elsewhere, and wouldn't choose to settle there. My money goes much further in the places I would choose. :-) Thanks for visiting.
@@StealthGTI no problem and Thank You for your service🇺🇸 Additionally I've point though on the numbers of hundreds of thousands of GTI's out there? There just aren't that many sold in the USA. My year GTI VW only sold like 6800 in one year. So the numbers are much lower than quoted. I have seen the crank walk happen at autox events, most people that bump up power are almost required in a manual car to upgrade they're clutch. Sadly I've seen it happen not than I would like. You are correct is still a small number but still significant to consider if considering adding power to your manual car. Thank You for your time.
That comment reminds me of when I got a new bicycle. Other riders noticed right away and commented that the other bike was relatively new and a nice model. "Why the change?" My reply: "That bike got a flat tire; so, I got a new bike." HAHA! Same idea here, I guess. :-)
Thanks for the note! I'm told that adding a splash (2 gallons?) of E85 to a tank of premium unleaded will almost eliminate the lag of the IS38. I may try a tank or two, just for fun.
I have three sets of wheels. I'm a wheel whore. HAHA! The tires that I want are expensive. By the time I'm financially ready to buy them, it'll be time for all-seasons again. So, I'm going to buy all-seasons in October and then maybe some summer tires next spring. I wasn't *honestly* worried about the turbo. It was just a thought and something I used to "justify" making a change. I'm not too worried about engine internals or the IS38. I don't think I'm at a power level that threatens any of it. If I'm wrong, I guess I'll address that when the time comes. Thanks for visiting!
I’m newly Unitronic stage 2 with my MK7 GTI, and plan on going with an IS38 at some point (when I have the money) as you said. As far as I’m aware, our vehicles can handle up to 400HP on stock internals pretty well, and I’m sure you’re just like me, and take absolute care of your maintenance and intervals. Glad you went IS38, so I can get your input on it, since I daily the car just about like you do.
Thanks! The turbo looked fine and had no shaft play. My daughter considered installing it in her car, but decided to go new when she replaced her engine. Thanks for visiting!
You need "Autobahn"... so you can drive as you like, enjoy the new turbo... then when you get off after driving it you can say, "I'll be back!" :-P What am I saying... we ALL need the Autobahn! A necessity for those who like working-out their "performance" autos. Question: I hope I didn't miss anything relating to this... but how's the gas mileage after the turbo "upgrade"?
I wish we had an Autobahn. But, given some of the dolts that we have on our roads, it would never last due to litigation issues. As for fuel mileage, check my video list. I have a video that specifically covers IS38 mpgs that's just a week or two old. Thanks for visiting!
You're lucky your stock turbo went 120k. My wastegate seized at like 40k and my replacement turbo went to junk after another 5k. Sold the car after that.
Oh, APR just seems to makes up numbers. I flirted with the idea of getting my Rabbit tuned by them, but their incomplete site, pushy local dealers, and some customer service horror stories lead me to other tuners. The turbo upgrade kinda seems like a downgrade for your purposes, but it's at least peace of mind that the most likely repair item that would come up soon is now brand new. I'd bet if you put some sticky summer tires on that it'd be usable in second and more fun than before. That's the curse of upgrading, it just points out new things you need to upgrade!
Thanks for the note! As you said about the curse, making one thing stronger simply reveals the next-weakest point. Would that be my clutch or perhaps an axle? I'm content to not find out. HAHA! Thanks for visiting!
Yes I did. I had a Sachs dual-mass flywheel (OEM-like) installed with my first clutch replacement. Odds are very good that I will get a South Bend Clutch Stage 2 Endurance and a SMF next. Thanks for visiting!
My IS38 is straight from an Audi dealer. My favorite mechanic prefers OEM parts since they simply work. I'm past 200,000 miles and will create an update video for the turbo when it has 100,000 miles on it. It's been solid! Thanks for visiting!
It depends on your goals. Do you want a lowered look more than you want to be able to drive at illegal speeds? Or do you live someplace where you can put that turbo to good use? Good luck deciding which unreasonable outcome is preferred. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
Hi could you tell me what the miles per gallon your now receiving with the IS38 when your driving tidy on the highway for instance? I am thinking of getting mine changed to either the 38 or the TTE Hybrid If you get time could you answer
I like to keep my cars for about 10 years. I had my Mk3 Jetta TDI for 20 years and 445,000 miles. The only reason I got rid of my pair of Mk6 Jetta TDIs after just three years is because I took advantage of VW's generous buy-back program, which funded the purchase of both this GTI and my wife's Jetta SE. Sure, I get a little itchy for something new from time to time. But I'll keep my GTI for as long as it's a joy to own. Thanks for visiting!
That's just my smartphone turned sideways. These days, I mount it vertically since it shows more map ahead of me; plus, some of my apps don't work in landscape mode. Sometimes I put my 8-inch tablet there. It depends on what I feel like doing. Take care!
I'd consider selling it. But it wouldn't command much more than it would cost to ship. It will either go into my daughter's Golf or remain with me to serve as a prop in my office/studio. Thanks for visiting.
I'm not sure of the context of your comment. If it's regarding my "foolish" purchase, the "foolishness" came from me blowing money on a turbo that I didn't need. ;-) If a turbo needs replacing, then the IS38 is a good option. I'd also consider APR's new DTR6054, which claims to make 436 hp and 401 lb-ft on 91 AKI and with a factory exhaust. It's more laggy than an IS38; so, I think it's better suited for a DSG than my lazy-driven manual. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
Not the stock clutch. Stick around for this Thursday's video where I will cover the other power mods to the car. Or, if you can't wait, visit my website for more info. Thanks for visiting!
It has the "Performance Package" VAQ e-diff, which is basically a Haldex differential turned sideways. I also disabled the "cross-differential system" (XDS... ABS-based), which allows the VAQ to act on its own. When I have wheelspin, it's BOTH of them. :-)
@@StealthGTI nice, I have the base model with stick. I’m considering a wavetrack diff, but it’s good to know it will only have so much effect. Based on your video I’ll probably stick with stack two and go to summer tires
Only very briefly. I've reached a point to where I don't like to tinker. In my opinion, any tuner that requires logs to write a tune is "tinkering" and the outcome is subject to glitches, even if only sporadically. Too much tinkering often leads to check engine lights and/or driveability problems. I've been there and done that. I'm no longer part for the Check Engine Light Brigade. ;-) I like the car to run flawlessly at all times with no faults. If I need a conservative tune to do that, then I'm content to have just a little less. APR fit that bill very nicely. Plus, I have an APR dealer nearby. Thanks for visiting.
That's easy: At the time of my purchase, brand new GTIs were selling for $6000+ under MSRP and Golf Rs were being marked-up to over MSRP. I paid around $24,500 for my GTI and Golf Rs were going for $42k and higher. Even with my selection of power mods, I'm still $10,000+ ahead of the Golf R, plus ongoing fuel savings. With that said, I'd LOVE to have a Golf R! However, I cannot justify the expense to replace what satisfies my wants/needs 95% of the time. Thanks for visiting!
Lol I seem to forget about better days where cars actually were purchased at deals. I grabbed an Mk8 autobahn for $500 under MSRP and considered myself lucky. I absolutely love the build by the way! Can’t wait for tunes to come out for this one
Yes, I do! This car came with what was then-known as the "Performance Package," which includes the VAQ e-differential. In my opinion, it interferes with the existing XDS, which is essentially ABS-controlled traction control. So, I disabled the XDS and let the VAQ do all the work. It seems to work well. Thanks for visiting!
Honestly, with your driving style, even tuning your MK7 GTI was a bad choice. IS38 is for those who want to go faster, and if you’re making speed limits a talking point, hell, why did you even buy this car? 🤣
Speed limits are a "talking point" because they're a fact of life in most areas. Good on you if you're able to blast along at 100+ mph every day, everywhere you go. For most everyone else, it's all just a novelty. Thanks for visiting.
I might have gone that direction if it had been an option from the beginning. However, I'm already in an IS38 and will stay here until it blows up. ;-) Thanks for visiting.
Haha! After 40 years of driving stick exclusively, I can confidently say that I have over a million miles of rowing my own gears under my belt. With that said, my next car may be an automatic, perhaps even a (gasp) CVT. I've become tired of manual transmissions, but the cars that I want are also not offered with them. Hopefully, I'll still be in my GTI for a few more years, though. Thanks for visiting!
Legally, they have to prove that a given mod caused a given problem before denying a warranty claim. Realistically, if you take your car to a dealership for a powerplant problem and they know that you're tuned, they may flag your car for warranty denial and then risk the court battle later. So, even if you're right, who do you think has deeper pockets for fighting a claim in court? In my opinion, it's all about managing risk. They have to look for a tune; but a downpipe is staring right at them and is a dead giveaway. I'll skip the downpipe on future cars. Good Luck!
@@StealthGTI Thank you for the info..im using stratified tune stage 1 this time. I think im gonna stay in stage 1 just to maintain the warranty. Cheers..your gti is strong and beautiful set up👍👍
@@GTIclubdport9462 - Sounds like a plan. Just to be clear, though: Your tune still puts your warranty at risk; it's just not as obvious as a downpipe screaming at a mechanic. ;-) Take Care!
There was a time when tuners claimed 15%. I'm not sure why so many are using corrections that are closer to 10% these days. I figured modern transmissions are more efficient. Of course, AWD and RWD have more losses. Either way, I'm good with 10% so that I don't get accused of padding my numbers. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI I made the switch. I'm no APR hater ran their OTS stage 1 & 2. Both great tunes, however their is38 tune is a 3rd gear car. APR has tuned out all of the low end torque you talk about in 1st and 2nd gear making their is38 tune a 3rd gear car. EQT keeps the low end torque. I highly recommend switching.
@@deanmarr785 - Thanks for the note. I'm pretty sure the FWD version of APR's tune limits torque in first gear. Perhaps it affects 2nd a bit, too. I also know that I can request the AWD version (for GTI), which removes the torque restriction in first gear. I'll look into it.
Eqt is kick ass I have a mk7.5 stage 2 and it's unbelievable how much smoother and stronger eqt is compared to many other tunes I've ran and I get almost zero knock.
I have IS38 EQT tune from a Stage 2 IS20 tune. I live in NY, and I honestly miss the stage 2 it felt more responsive and powerful because in NYC it's alot of stop and go, in and out of traffic where the low end power was very useful and way more fun. Once I got my IS38 it was slower at the low end for sure, I have to hit it above 3500rpm to start feeling power. And I can be in and out of traffic like I use to, not crazy like the kids. But if I'm going 60mph and I need to pass someone I can press the gas and it will pull immediately. Now with IS38 at 60mph I press the gas and it's slow, it actually more gradual. Once it gets to the 4k then it's responsive. For me to feel like the IS20 responsiveness at 3k I need to have the IS38 at 4k. If that makes sense. Now for the IS38 positive, it pulls like a freight train after 4k definitely stronger pull then IS20. I get less wheel spin maybe cause of custom EQT tune and being DSG I'm on stock VW tires also 7k miles on them so pretty new. For me to have fun on IS38 I go out at night when no one is around and i hit it to feel that power. I had to do my Logs and send them to EQT and the words "Holy Fuck!!" Came out of my mouth when I did a 3rd gear pull on the IS38. Once it pulls it doesn't let go unlike the IS20 I feel it pulling at 3k and 4500 it would start to relax but IS38 had me back of my seat the whole time. But if you look at videos online people with custom IS20 and E85 file are pulling faster and harder then IS38 so it's on the tune. I don't have E by me so I want more power with regular pump gas and I wanted a more gradual feel then torque low end. Another thing the BAD about EQT is, it's very difficult for them to get to you if you run into issues everything takes a week or more for them to respond. I've had issues and it wasn't fun waiting 9 days to finally get a response. Also you need to constantly send them logs until they are done tuning your car which means you need to find a place to drive your car in 3rd gear from 2500rpm to 7000rpm. In NY it's hard to find an area to do that. I have to do my Logs at midnight or 1am when no cars on the road on a weekend to avoid weekend cops and drunk drivers. So if you plan a custom tune have an area where you can drive and my car goes to 120mph in a Pull and we are still tuning for more. It's caring to be at that HP and you still have to keep pushing until you reach 7k to Log it. Anyway that's my long response, with what I know now, I probably would of gone IS20 with a Custome Tune, more fun on the low end so I would enjoy the power daily driving and custom tunes let's you hold power longer like IS38. I love the IS38 power but don't like that I need to really hit it to feel the power, can't feel it daily driving. What I do is downshift and drive my car on 3rd gear with the RPM around 4k on the highway to more responsive as I drive thru NY traffic.
Do you have their vortex turbo? Just wondering im stage 2 EQT seeing if im gonna upgrade but i don't know what IS38 turbo to get
@@ashGR3.0 no it's TPC38. When I was looking to do my upgrade EQT had a 90 week waiting list. Yes 90 WEEKS! Cause of Covid everything was shut down or delayed but they are back with 3 to 4 week wait time for Turbo which is average. And supposedly the new Turbos now have been modified to Spool Sooner or I think the new IS38 can spool sooner so maybe it won't be as slow on the low end. I say contact them and ask first.
Thanks for sharing your experience. That's an accurate description of IS38 behavior vs the IS20.
With the turbo upgrade did you also upgrade the intercooler and the charge pipes, this part really made the difference for the turbos and outlets. Just let’s it breath more!!
@@danielbozian9585 I upgraded Intercooler not the charge Pipes.
"oops i slipped and bought a turbo" had me dying
HAHA! That was my goal. I use the phrase a lot around my wife. She loves it! Okay, maybe not. Thanks for visiting!
I love how detailed your review is. Probably the best video I have watched on an opinion to going bigger turbo.
I appreciate that! Thanks for visiting!
Thanks for the honest and practical review of upgrading to the IS38 turbo. My stock 2016 MK7 with 71,000 may be showing signs of needing eventual replacement. Its early still, but starting to get the turbo wastegate rattle. Not sure if its exactly the same as the MK6 or MK5. The clips made to remedy the rattle on the arm do not fit on the MK7. VW may have listened to complaints and redesigned a sturdier point where the arm meets the pivot. Instead of a flat arm attached to another flat piece by using a "bolt", it now sandwiches the flat piece on both sides, then a bolt going through all 3 pieces of metal. This doesnt prevent the actual wastegate from vibrating, which is what I might be experiencing.
When the time comes to replace, I'll probably opt of the IS20 replacement since most driving is done in Manhattan as my daily with the kids. More power means mo money, mo tickets, mo points, and mo insurance premiums. Just because it can be done, doesnt mean it should be done.
HAHA! True! I'll continue to run my IS38 until it gives me trouble. IF I ever need a new turbo, I'll very likely go back to the IS20. Doing so will tame my exhaust note a hair, too. Thanks for visiting!
Very clever picture of the GTI next to a BIG turbo. Great video!
Noticed that as well ! Are those hydroelectric turbines?
Thanks a lot! I stopped for the photo because I knew it would be a good "big turbo" joke in IG. Coincidentally, JR14 was in need of a turbo at the time; so, I tagged him to let him know that I had a source. ;-)
I think they're for ships. They're about the same size as what I recall from a ship on which I had served and I'm not far from plenty of ports. I also think a locomotive may use a turbo about this size. Given the large number of ship ports here, there's plenty of train activity, too.
Love this video! Got myself a Golf SportWagen with an IS38. Your analysis of the power delivery is spot on. In city traffic it's slower than stage 2, but the highways pulls are amazing.
Surprised a Supra the other day on the highway. It was fun.
Glad you enjoyed it! Stage 2 is great in the city; IS38 is great on the highway, especially with a DSG. Thanks for visiting!
very usefull information for younger people who rlly trow money at there car without thinking twice!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Oddly enough, older people through money at cars, too. I don't think I'll ever understand the owner who spends money hand-over-fist to "perfect" a car, then sells it to start over on something else after a few years. I sort of do it myself, but it takes 5-10 years to get there. HAHA! I think those who exchange and mod a different car every three years are doomed to be broke their whole lives, with the exception of top earners, I guess. Thanks for visiting!
I paid 400 for my is38 200 for my jb4 and doing the work myself and live in the flat praries. Guess I made the right decision
Very nice! Was it a used turbo? Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI yeah used rev9 hybrid with 25000kms on it good for testing
Fun video, can't wait to get myself a mk7.. Driving a MK5 GTI Stage 1 APR currently. Love the car, probably gonna drive it til the wheels fall off :)
Have fun! I'm sure the Mk8 is a better can than my Mk7; and the Mk9 will be better than both. But, if my car is still roadworthy at that point, I will probably drive it until it's worthless. :-) Thanks for visiting!
Outstanding video, Scott. Much appreciated. I may have a more detailed comment/questions once I've watched it a half dozen times but I just wanted to express my appreciation.
Awesome, thank you!
I just went IS38 with a GIAC stage 3, 93 octane tune. Been every single stage in this car, white 2017 MK7 non-PP 6 speed manual. Only 40K miles. This is my second MK7 GTI. I went with a stage 2 Southbend Endurance clutch rated at 465 ft-lbs torque to hold the power. Would have gone stage 3 if I could do it over but it seems to be holding the power just fine for now. I absolutely love this upgrade. I didn't think I would like the loss of the low-end, punchy torque but the power when you push the gas down a little harder is totally worth it. It's only the difference of a few hundred RPMs shifted to the right of the range before the powerband kicks in but, I would get tremendous wheel spin, punching it on the IS20 in 1st through 3rd so, no real "loss" there. Now, I do still get wheel spin, maybe more if I really slam it down but, not right on that initial take off like before. It's overall faster but your review is spot on and worded very well. I couldn't agree with you more and I appreciate you taking the time to make this vid.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I am so happy i looked at this video , I just upgrade stage 2 with EQT dsg tune. And was hoping to do the turbo swap, and i agree with saying if your not punching it as it should be dont do it.
I live on an island with no highways so i think i would enjoy it as is . Thanks for sharing
Definitely keep the stock turbo on an island! Thanks for visiting!
One of the best channels for MK7 GTI content. No nonsense and honest, keep it up bro. Greets from Amsterdam, the Netherlands.
I appreciate that! I'm not doing as much as other channels in the form of power and handling mods. But I hope I'm conveying just how useful these fun cars can be! Thanks for visiting!
Great video and review.
I think the way you describe is20 vs is38 is spot on.
And it applies to both 1.8 or 2.0
Mk7. Great stuff
Thanks! 👍 My daughter is interested in a turbo upgrade for her 1.8T. I think an IS38 would be too laggy, especially with a manual transmission. But I think an IS20 would be a sweet spot on her car. Time will tell which way she goes. Take Care!
@@StealthGTI I’m on is20 on my 1.8 GSW 4MOTION. With 6MT. It is awesome, punchy and reliable. But aftermarket clutch is required. however lots of 1.8 are on is38. Yeah a tad bit more delay and less responsive. But no big deal. She’ll need a clutch no matter what. If she’s more than often driving in city, is20 is the way.
I bought a 2nd hand oem is38 from a reputable tuner and paid $1500 with labour which included a full service. An additional $200 for tune up
Very nice! I hope you enjoy it! Thanks for visiting.
Bought a brand new GTI on the 12th. Went to a Stage 1 5 days after buying it. Integrated Engineering tune. CAI, turbo inlet and turbo muffler delete also and the gains are already night and day. Plan to go to Stage 3 and can't wait. I recently sold my SRT Scat Pack and am eager to get my GTI close to its power. Great video and appreciate the input!
Have fun! I have to confess that I think the Dodge may be more reliable at Scat Pack power levels than a GTI that's modified for it. But I think the GTI is a more practical daily driver. Thanks for visiting.
Haha I love it I went in for an oil change and somehow an IS38 just fell in there! 😂. Im also IS38 what a way to wake the car up.
Nice work! What tune are you using?
@@StealthGTI APR Stage 2+ on the IHI IS38
@@shizabox - Very nice! APR rebranded that tune and now calls it "Stage 3." I felt that "Stage 2+" was more appropriate, but it's their marketing. ;-) Anyway, we're on the same tune.
Great review as usual, I have been debating doing is38 this summer as well. Unfortunately this doesn't make it easier lol. Currently stage 2 ie and it's been great.
Good luck with your decision. Given my daily driving style and what I know now, I think I'd stay with Stage 2 if I were to do it again. I don't regret Stage 3; I just think it's a better fit for my urban driving. Take Care!
Great video, thanks for providing your perspective on the IS38 upgrade. It definitely adds some drama to the experience! I hope your shoulder heals well if it hasn't already. Cheers!
Thanks for the comments and well wishes! My shoulder is fine now. I had tweaked my neck, which prompted me to take a muscle relaxer. Later, I was tossing some 3/4" plywood into a dumpster and felt fine. I suspect the muscle relaxer kept me from feeling discomfort that would have told me, "Don't toss so hard!" Instead, I probably pulled/strained something around the rotator cuff. I'm glad it wasn't a tear. I was fine after about a month. Thanks again!
This makes me excited for a is38 hybrid. Living in Australia with a lot of open roads, mountains and coastal roads.
Excellent! Good luck with that! Thanks for visiting.
Intake manifold from integrated engineering, S3 injectors and mass air sensor, and fuel pump would help tremendously alot with low end torque and power to the wheels
They don't make intake manifolds for ea888 gen 3
Thanks for the suggestion.
TO ANSWER YOUR "TQ" QUESTION:
It all depends on the Turbo and how much the torque dips after meeting with HP.
If (hypothetically) the IS38 (by design) could hold torque just a tad longer (on that particular tune), then you would have >TQ / But, also higher WHP. Albeit, if you had an IS38+ version and ran E85 - you would probably see the numbers that would make more sense.
Hope that explains it in laymens terms.
Thanks for the explanation. Take Care!
Awesome car and turbo!
A DSG will always be faster than any manual vehicle by a decent margin. But to each their own. Beautiful car!
Couldn't agree more! My next car may have a DSG... maybe. Thanks for visiting!
It’s also a lot faster towards the boring spectrum…
The wheel spin is exactly the reason that i traded my GTI for an Alltrack. IS38 swap coming soon! Great video!
Thanks, Chris! I'd consider an Alltrack if anything was to happen to my GTI. Thanks for visiting.
My GTI just got rear ended and totalled and I decided to go the alltrack route specifically for AWD since they're around the same price as a GTI and not crazy expensive like the R. Still deciding between IS20 and IS38, after seeing this video I'm leaning back towards IS20 since APR has a tune that doesn't require any other hardware changes and it sounds like the daily drivability is a lot better.
@@Eric-gq6ip My alltrack has an Is38 and i love it! But I think you’d definitely be happy with an IS20 as well! It did cost quite a bit for downpipe intercooler new clutch (since I’m manual) etc.
Stage 2 is the sweet spot.
Agreed! I'm not sure what's next, but it probably won't go beyond a tune. Thanks for visiting.
Traction control on with your 3rd gear pull will cut a lot of boost, even when the traction light doesnt blink. I can see it all the time with my boost gauge
Thanks for the note. I need to look into disabling traction control permanently. OBDEleven isn't cutting it. I'll check VCDS to see what it offers. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI thanks for the video. Now that you've had it for a few...has any opinions changed?
@@JShayy - I must admit that I miss the low-end grunt that allowed me to make a quick pass without downshifting. But the "holy sh*t" reaction from some of my passengers during a high-rev sprint is priceless. 🤣
@@StealthGTI Nice! I moved from Apr high torque stage 2 latest version to EQT. EQT stage 2 is much more like earlier versions of Apr with torque up front. EQT dsg drops to 5th on the hwy so easily in comparison to Apr. It would be really interesting of you drove an eqt is38 gti in comparison
@@JShayy - I'm unlikely to switch. I have a good relationship with an APR dealer and prefer to not switch around.
Id love a long term “is it worth it” review
I should follow-up with something. The turbo has nearly 100,000 miles now. The car runs great, but sometimes I miss not needing to downshift to access loads of torque. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI wow - that racked up quick! On the dyno graph it only looks like 200 rpm but the way the torque comes on must be different too. I might slip and buy a turbo too... Thanks for your videos!
Given the GTI's tall gearing, I might rule this upgrade out. Great review. I could see where absolutely it is so much fun to drive... but my 7.5 needs all the torque it can get.
Right on! If you're mostly a city driver, I don't think you'll like it. I don't regret the upgrade, but I do miss being able to give the accelerator a quick stab to pass without downshifting. BUT, if I can anticipate the pass and get in the right gear first, HOLD ON! :-) Thanks for visiting!
Drive safely and have fun! Thanks for sharing! Think I might need to replace my is12 with an is20 someday...😀
You should! My daughter's Golf has an IS20. It made a huge difference in the 1.8T's spunk and power, all without any apparent loss of low-end torque. I shared a video of her first drive in the upgraded car at ruclips.net/video/WOE8lWxRukQ/видео.htmlsi=bRQidCWj50UFsZSH. Thanks for visiting!
A very mature and intelligent look at doing the IS38 upgrade. I am a plumber and totally understand labor, material expense, and maintenance. Starting bone stock, I believe if the turbo fails, or any part for that matter, there will most likely be an aftermarket part to fix it, that is most likely better than Volkswagen OEM, have good availability, and a knowledgeable community. The position of foot on pedal is very important to me. Can the mode button just have 4 different custom maps?
Thanks for posting. While many aftermarket options can be an improvement, many also cut corners to keep costs down. As a result, I like the OEM option. APR's tune seems to keep things operating within comfortable limits of the factory Golf R/S3 turbo. Regarding custom maps, I think some companies may offer switchable maps, but I don't know if any of them work with the Mode button. Thanks for visiting.
IS20 hybrid is the sweet spot. I went with a k03 hybrid. (Mk6 gti) A pedal controller ( Burger motor sport) from any company will get you back to where you want to be.
I do alot of canyon carving, and this setup is more responsive than say; a K04 or something even bigger.
WOW! I'm behind on my replies! I think a hybrid could be a sweet spot, too. But I'm an APR fan boy and will stick with the parts that I know work with their tunes. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI I am running APR stg.2 as well( stg1 DSG)
The hybrid requires no additional tuning.( another reason for me to go this route.
You won’t get more grip running summer tires. I’ve tried them all. You will get more grip around corners, but your second and third gears will always spin in a straight, no matter the setup.
Thanks for sharing that! It compels me to save a few bucks and just stick with the Pilot AS4s for year-round use.
If your missing gears try installing shifter linkage mods. 1)ecs solid shifter inserts. 2)solid shift bracket bushings. 3)optional euro short shifter kit. You definitely won't be missing gears after these.. and cheap.
Thanks for the tips! However, the primary reason for my missed shifts was a shoulder injury. The forward/outward motion of the 2-3 shift (same with 4-5) was quite painful and easy to mess-up. My shoulder is fine now. Thanks for visiting.
@@StealthGTI glad to hear it
I felt a similar "meh" feeling about my unitronic ECU flash upgrade. Yeah I feel a lot more torque when I floor it on an onramp and yeah the number gains were a good "deal" for the price vs hp/torque I gained but really at the end of the day the only time I get to use this performance boost is for on ramps. The DSG reprogramming from them was well worth it though as they have much better shift points programmed in and if I had to pick only one or the other, I would pick the TCU reflash. The ECU reflash I could have done with out but I just tell myself it was a good "deal" as it was on paper.
The money spent on new speakers, helix subwoofer and noico sound deadening were better use of time/money in that I use them in 100% of my time driving vs only on rare occasions.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have some sound deadening that I still need to install. Take Care!
you should get a bfi shifter knob You can lower the shift knob and have a shorter throw to help out with that bad shoulder. Also get a short shifter kit. Probably would help your shoulder.
A short shifter would not have helped. My shoulder is healed now and I'm able to shift properly. :-) Thanks for visiting.
Starting to install my IS38 tomorrow. Hope I enjoy it 😬
It depends on how you drive it. Are you DSG or 6MT? Regardless, give it day or two to acclimate to the change. It's a different feel. Have fun!
@@StealthGTI 6MT. I'm also in a MK7 GLI which has even taller gearing then the GTI (due to taller tires). Hope it's not too laggy. I'll prob get used to it.
@@MeltingRubberZ28 - Not sure about the taller gearing conclusion. To my knowledge, the FACTORY tire size on both cars is 225/40-18. Even if the GLI had a larger tire diameter, VW would have changed the final gear ratio in the transmission to compensate and keep the engine in its happy-zone. So, unless you have larger tires by choice, you have nothing to worry about. I just realized that you may have the turbo installed by now. How do you like it?
@@StealthGTI got started a bit this evening after work. Hoping to have it running tomorrow
Those giant turbos it's parked next to in the picture are for locomotives.
Yes! I figured it was either locomotives or ships. We have plenty of both here. I've seen shipboard turbos. I could only imagine a locomotive might be similar, albeit in a smaller engine bay. Thanks for visiting.
Sheeeeeeeeesh it picks up speed like a beast. Exactly what I need here in NYC! Been eyeing the IHI for a while.
It does have a nice pull! Thanks for watching.
If you need a new turbo ANYWAY (my '15 GTI Autobahn which I purchased not 7 months ago as a one-owner 53K mile car apparently does, at 54K) and are looking at similar expense anyway it's very hard to resist. The car is currently running a Unitronic Stage 2 tune w catted DP (previous owner installed at approx 40K) which I have to assume contributed to this absurdly early turbo failure, or not, as it seems getting a lousy factory turbo can just happen to unlucky Mk7 owners now and then. Unitronic has an IS38 upgrade Stage 2+ tune and as the car came with their accessport connector and switching it to my name is a one-time $150 cost for all their tunes, so that'd be the cost-effective way to deal with tuning. Don't wrench myself but know a local VW/Audi tech who will do the install for me, whatever turbo I go with, as a side gig, so will be much less than the $4500 my local rip-off German Specialty shop quoted me (to replace and install another OEM IS20.) The car's used as a light daily (work at home) which means grinding, horrific Atlanta traffic and streets and freeways, but weekends to be let loose in the mountains and eventually, track. It's a manual 6 as well, making the city grind that much more not fun, and the loss of low end does concern me. Maybe a hybrid creation? Bit more $ upfront but seems like a lot of the upsides of both. Oh, and emissions were a real drag initially w the Stage 2 and DP (even catted) took a lot of $$ noodling by said Specialty shop to get it to pass, wonder if bigger turbo adds to that headache as well. TY for your info-packed and candid vid, it's very helpful, and I've got a big decision to make! Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your experience! Take Care!
Lot of people on golfmk7 forums saying the TPC20 is the way to go. No lower end loss.
I considered the TPC20. But being a bit of an APR fan boy and not wanting to get too specialized compelled me to stay with a known recipe, even if it's a little more bland than the spicy stuff. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
Awesome video!
I appreciate that! Thanks for visiting.
i second this comment!
Now go full custom EQT e80 tune with multi port injection supporting mods and get that 420+ wheel horse power.
HAHA! I think I mentioned in the video that I like the conservative tune. It'll keep me out of trouble, mechanically speaking. I think things get risky beyond 400 hp, especially without internal work. I think this is it for me. :-) Thanks for visiting!
Haha did not see this one coming for you, but i love that you just popped off and did it. Hope you have some more fun with it off camera. You haaaave to redline 3rd 4th and 5th...haaaaave to...for science.👍👨🔬
Ever thought about going to a dyno just to see what your car makes officially?
HAHA! This video has a redline run in 3rd gear. I may do a fourth gear run during my next visit to Texas. But I'm not sure when that'll be. As for the dyno, dyno's are known to put more stress on the driveline than genuine road driving. Since my clutch *may* be operating near its torque limit, I'm content to accept APR's claim (and round down) and just drive the car. Thanks for visiting!
Just get 235/40R18 tires on 8x18 wheels. Summer compound and wider tread surface should reduce whell slip 80% I think.
If engine can handle 400 wonder why R has stronger internals for 300. Wonder when GTI get same R engine as OE HP gets tuned up each year. Reason Clubsport 40 was special, R engine in a GTI.
I'll try the 235s next summer. As for the stronger internals on the R, VW tends to over-engineer their drivetrains for improved reliability. It is said that the GTI is good for 400 hp before internal work or additional fueling is needed. I've read similar reports that the R is good for 500. Of course, that may all be wrong. It just seems to be the popular opinions. Regardless, my driving style is mostly sedate, with only occasional romps into the power. IF I sell my car before it explodes, it will probably be one of the best-maintained, pampered IS38 GTIs that can be found. :-) Take Care!
IS38 powerband is linear while the is20 is full of torque.
Basically the is20 will always jump a is38 at a lower speed but the is38 will catch it but the is38 pulls hard after 90mph anything before it’s slow.
Not true. Assuming a WOT drag race, the IS38 will be in its power band after about 40 mph. From there, The IS20 may take the first 100-ft, but the IS38 will overtake and pull away after 40-60 mph. Still, as you said, the margin will get even wider above 90. The IS38 is only "slow" when driven non-aggressively. Rev it and it will please. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI you taking to a guy with a is38 on mpi lpfp and e85. I’m talking actual e30-e85 is20s will definitely put big margins on a pump is38. E85 is20s are making 360whp with torque levels exceeding most is38s especially at lower rpm’s. Like I said a is20 especially with fueling will easily put a hurting on a is38. Is20 only needs a hpfp for e85 on a is38 like I have you need both hpfp/lpfp or mpi and lpfp to run anything above e48. I’m making over 400whp and run a 9.6 60-130 on the is38.
@@NerdGenius - You didn't say you were comparing apples and oranges. Of course, the IS20 with ethanol will outpower pump gas IS38. My video is strictly talking about the turbos, as was my reply to you. Fueling mods changes the game. Thanks for clarifying.
It pulls super hard.
I does... on the rare occasion that I use the power. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
You can alleviate the low end torque with a cobb access port. You probably would of been happier with a EQT IS38 or JDEuro IS38 plus you get both low end and high end torque.
Thanks for the note. I'm sticking with the mild "OTS" tunes. Thanks for visiting.
@@StealthGTI no problem thanks for the videos
5:05 That's a clear nope from side. This really isn't about me trying to take the piss on you, it's about me exactly being there in the past and knowing how you feel like.
On my MK5 GTI my stock Turbo went so decided to upgrade to an K04. The K04 sure as hell is a whole different story when being on full chat but man, to this day (more than 1 year in) i didn't get used to the loss of low end torque.
You have to bare in mind though that on the platform i'm speaking about the low end torque loss is way more dramatic than on yours. With the K04 more or less nothing happens till 2500ish RPM whereas with the K03 the thing spools right from 2000rpm.
It's just so satisfying when you are cruising behind a car or two in 6th gear with 2000 rpm and when the road opens up you can just pass them effortlessly (that being an example for a daily type scenario). Or when being on some twisty roads you can just use the low end torque, without always feeling the need to rev the hell out of the car, and you're already fast. Of course not as fast as with the bigger turbo being on full chat but i found myself more often than not not wanting to go full send so i probably prefer the low end torque for going already fairly fast without what it feels like any effort compared to the big turbo where you always feel like needing to switch down a gear.
I'm currently on the fence of keeping the car but if i do so, i heavily consider upgrading (or rather downgrading!?) to an K03 hybrid which gives me ever so slightly less power than the k04 but way earlier spool and that low end torque usable low effort type of fun back i'm missing to this day.
Point is : considering what you've said in the video, i think you made the wrong purchase and keep telling yourself the opposite and try to justify it with scenarios that are pretty untypical when it comes to your driving style. Considering your usual usecase of the car you'd have way more fun with the low end torque instead of all the power that's higher up in the rev range since you're using that way less anyway. I think you would've been much better off with an IS20 hybrid (LM440 IS20) for example.
Again, this really wasn't me taking the piss on you but just sharing my thoughts. The loss of low end torque that comes with swapping to an bigger turbo is an really interesting topic and you did a good job of elaborating/informing on that because this is heavily overlooked by a lot of people i think. Most are just chasing the high numbers but when they got them they might realize that the low numbers might be just as important, if not more.
I appreciate your perspective. I will say, though, that there's a much greater loss of torque between the K03 and K04 than with the IS20 and IS38. I do miss being able to just stab the accelerator without a downshift. I've said in more than one video that I'm a "lazy driver" who'd get more out of the car by simply downshifting. HAHA! Of course, driving a DSG would resolve the disadvantages of my lazy driving habits. Regardless, I do enjoy what the car can do now. I just have to drive it differently to exploit that. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI Yeah no doubt that the difference between K03/K04 is way worse than IS20/IS38 when it comes to low down torque loss. Still though, kind of the same to an decent extend. I know where you're coming from and i'd still say you probably put on a turbo that isn't quite suited to your driving profile. Again though : not trying to take the piss on you or something, just saying... Have a good one mate.
Best way to avoid speeding tickets… never slow down so you don’t get caught lol.
HAHA! At least make them chase and work for that ticket instead of just giving it away by stopping. Thanks for visiting!
I had a 2015 GTI Mark 7. I always felt that the limiting factor for power on that car was traction. I wished for more horsepower but didn't think the car would handle it. This should be interesting to watch. I solved that problem with a 2021 BMW m240i XDrive. Still missed the GTI though.
Did you ever get summer tires and / or do the dog bone inserts? Stiffer Engine and trans mounts help too.
The traction limitation was keeping me from doing this sooner... that and money. HAHA! Sometimes, I wish I had an R, but I'm not interested in spending that much on another car. Thanks for watching.
I've had summer tires in the past. But I'm currently on Pilot AS3+ all-seasons.
I'm changing the oil later today.... and I've thought twice. Won't be slipping!
HAHA! Thanks for visiting!
11:05 "I`ll be blasting up his butt in no time!" LOL, Okay.
HAHA! My decades of military service have exposed me to plenty of strange ways to make a point. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
Good oil change lol, just upgraded to an Is38 on my MK7 gti , but I have an EQT Is38 stage 2 tune and damn my car is crazy now , it still pulls hard in 6th gear!! You need to ditch APR get yourself a Cobb Accessport and a EQT tune , you will be amazed how much better of a tune it is, I still have low end grunt with my is38, you just need a better tuner, you want punchy get an eqt tune and 50 hp? Lol an IS38 adds over 100hp I work in my own MK7 my car has all the punch , I guarantee that APR tune is not even close to my EQT tune ,my car pulls hard from a stop and up top , try it and I think you’ll will be surprised
My "50 hp" quote was the increase over Stage 2, which is about 336 bhp. Are you really 100 hp beyond that? Thanks for visiting!
Save your time and money and get a protune from Stratified and he’ll tune it just the way you want it, boost by gear is key. I have mad respect for APR but between them and Stratified there is no comparison. Love the build
My money was spent on APR long ago. So, getting Stratified, even if it's better, is just more money chasing after the original money. I'm good to stay where I am. :-) Thanks for visiting!
I have read a few stories of people having "crank walk" issues with the manuals transmissions when they upgrade power. I know its not super common, but common enough that it should be taken into consideration as well. It doesn't affect cars with the DSG option, just the manual. Very strange. For myself? I came from a 400 AWHP Lancer Evo 9 to a GTI. I like to AutoX, and drive mainly in town, and occasionally on trips on the highway. Where I live (California) the state is VERY strict on modifications on cars. Each time you get your smog test for your reg (every 2 yrs here) they are now scanning your OBDII to check for "tunes". If you car has a non CARB approved tune? You get a fine plus you have to come back to prove your car had the tune removed. They also have banned oil catch cans, and your exhaust can't be too loud. Importunely this is the trend happening across the USA. Stricter emissions, and what not leading to modifying your car to be very difficult. So with that all being said? I am keeping my GTI stock. Just not worth the headache with the officials.
It seems to me that overly stiff clutches contribute to crank walk more than the added power. And, while DSGs are far less prone to crank walk, they do get it, too. However, I think the clamping forces are applied to the thrust bearing differently with DSG cars. Regardless, when looking at shear numbers, crank walk appears to be a rare thing. Yes, we may see hundreds of threads about it online, but there are hundreds of thousands of GTIs out there that haven't had crank walk. That's reassuring. Regarding strict emissions states, yes, California is among the worst of them. There are five other CARB-compliant states that I'm aware of, mostly in the northeast. I'm glad I don't have to deal with it. I was stationed in CA twice, left my cars registered elsewhere, and wouldn't choose to settle there. My money goes much further in the places I would choose. :-) Thanks for visiting.
@@StealthGTI no problem and Thank You for your service🇺🇸
Additionally I've point though on the numbers of hundreds of thousands of GTI's out there? There just aren't that many sold in the USA. My year GTI VW only sold like 6800 in one year. So the numbers are much lower than quoted. I have seen the crank walk happen at autox events, most people that bump up power are almost required in a manual car to upgrade they're clutch. Sadly I've seen it happen not than I would like. You are correct is still a small number but still significant to consider if considering adding power to your manual car.
Thank You for your time.
@@eppyz - The GTI is a worldwide platform and I visit GolfMk7.com, which has members worldwide. So, I was speaking to the global numbers. Take care!
that the reason why i bought gti 7 clubsport u can go fast when u want it 10 sec its plenty ok for me and its cost same as a casual golf 7 😂
Very nice! American VW enthusiasts know that Europe gets all of the good stuff! ;-) Thanks for visiting.
lol, time for an oil change so I replaced the turbo
That comment reminds me of when I got a new bicycle. Other riders noticed right away and commented that the other bike was relatively new and a nice model. "Why the change?" My reply: "That bike got a flat tire; so, I got a new bike." HAHA! Same idea here, I guess. :-)
I like the hpa is38+. But in looking into is20 hybrid setup.
Thanks for the note! I'm told that adding a splash (2 gallons?) of E85 to a tank of premium unleaded will almost eliminate the lag of the IS38. I may try a tank or two, just for fun.
need whole pipe intercooler and high pressure fuel pump...
I'm good right where I am. My "OTS tune" has been trouble-free and sufficient. Thanks for visiting!
How's that shaft holding up? My wife doesn't complain...
The shaft is good and strong. No complaints from my wife, either! 🤔
You must buy second set wheels and summer tires. You worried about turbo but what about engine internals and IS38?
I have three sets of wheels. I'm a wheel whore. HAHA! The tires that I want are expensive. By the time I'm financially ready to buy them, it'll be time for all-seasons again. So, I'm going to buy all-seasons in October and then maybe some summer tires next spring. I wasn't *honestly* worried about the turbo. It was just a thought and something I used to "justify" making a change. I'm not too worried about engine internals or the IS38. I don't think I'm at a power level that threatens any of it. If I'm wrong, I guess I'll address that when the time comes. Thanks for visiting!
I’m newly Unitronic stage 2 with my MK7 GTI, and plan on going with an IS38 at some point (when I have the money) as you said. As far as I’m aware, our vehicles can handle up to 400HP on stock internals pretty well, and I’m sure you’re just like me, and take absolute care of your maintenance and intervals.
Glad you went IS38, so I can get your input on it, since I daily the car just about like you do.
Hi! Great video! Was your is20 ok? Do you have the chance to inspect it? Would be nice to know how it was after 130k on tune. Thanks!
Thanks! The turbo looked fine and had no shaft play. My daughter considered installing it in her car, but decided to go new when she replaced her engine. Thanks for visiting!
Yes, Scott please do not blast 11:09 up anyone's butt 🤣😁 unless of course you are into that kind of stuff then sure blast away.
Not into it; that's why I waited. ;-)
You need "Autobahn"... so you can drive as you like, enjoy the new turbo... then when you get off after driving it you can say, "I'll be back!" :-P
What am I saying... we ALL need the Autobahn! A necessity for those who like working-out their "performance" autos.
Question: I hope I didn't miss anything relating to this... but how's the gas mileage after the turbo "upgrade"?
I wish we had an Autobahn. But, given some of the dolts that we have on our roads, it would never last due to litigation issues. As for fuel mileage, check my video list. I have a video that specifically covers IS38 mpgs that's just a week or two old. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI Yeah... I'd be VERY concerned about the "dolts" issue myself! :-P
You're lucky your stock turbo went 120k. My wastegate seized at like 40k and my replacement turbo went to junk after another 5k. Sold the car after that.
Sorry to hear about your troubles. I've been very lucky with my VWs so far. Thanks for visiting!
how hard did you pull that far from a dig!
@@johndoe5229 - I don't understand your question. Can you clarify?
Oh, APR just seems to makes up numbers. I flirted with the idea of getting my Rabbit tuned by them, but their incomplete site, pushy local dealers, and some customer service horror stories lead me to other tuners.
The turbo upgrade kinda seems like a downgrade for your purposes, but it's at least peace of mind that the most likely repair item that would come up soon is now brand new. I'd bet if you put some sticky summer tires on that it'd be usable in second and more fun than before. That's the curse of upgrading, it just points out new things you need to upgrade!
Thanks for the note! As you said about the curse, making one thing stronger simply reveals the next-weakest point. Would that be my clutch or perhaps an axle? I'm content to not find out. HAHA! Thanks for visiting!
If I ever had to replace my turbo I would probably go with the TPC20 Hybrid but its pricey 💵
I considered a hybrid, but decided to stick with a plain, solid solution. Thanks for visiting.
Hi, bit off topic but nonetheless, did you ever upgrade the oem flywheel on your gti? Or you only did the clutch upgrade. many thanks..
Yes I did. I had a Sachs dual-mass flywheel (OEM-like) installed with my first clutch replacement. Odds are very good that I will get a South Bend Clutch Stage 2 Endurance and a SMF next. Thanks for visiting!
What is38 turbo did you go with? How is it holding up?
My IS38 is straight from an Audi dealer. My favorite mechanic prefers OEM parts since they simply work. I'm past 200,000 miles and will create an update video for the turbo when it has 100,000 miles on it. It's been solid! Thanks for visiting!
Have you don't any shift linkage improvements? I know there are several kits to tighten/shorten shifting function.
My style of driving doesn't compel me to change the shift linkage. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI Hey, I understand. You're welcome!
I don't run an APR tune but I know other tunes are different for the IS20 and IS38, do you need a remap for the larger IS38 Turbo ?
Yes, definitely a re-map is required. Otherwise, the ECU will not exploit the potential of the larger turbo. Thanks for visiting!
I'm apr 2 at 74k, debating if I'm gonna do this same swap or suspension next
It depends on your goals. Do you want a lowered look more than you want to be able to drive at illegal speeds? Or do you live someplace where you can put that turbo to good use? Good luck deciding which unreasonable outcome is preferred. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI That really is the epic question
Hi could you tell me what the miles per gallon your now receiving with the IS38 when your driving tidy on the highway for instance? I am thinking of getting mine changed to either the 38 or the TTE Hybrid
If you get time could you answer
See this video: ruclips.net/video/DfyDwh7TFX0/видео.html. It talks about the fuel economy under a variety of driving styles. Thanks for visiting!
At 130k how much longer do you think you will keep the GTI? After 5 or 6 years and 100k miles or so I usually get the itch for something different.
I like to keep my cars for about 10 years. I had my Mk3 Jetta TDI for 20 years and 445,000 miles. The only reason I got rid of my pair of Mk6 Jetta TDIs after just three years is because I took advantage of VW's generous buy-back program, which funded the purchase of both this GTI and my wife's Jetta SE. Sure, I get a little itchy for something new from time to time. But I'll keep my GTI for as long as it's a joy to own. Thanks for visiting!
ooops i slipped and bought a turbo!
I slip and buy things a lot. My wife LOVES it! ;-) Thanks for visiting!
Do you upgrade the fuel system???
No need for a fuel upgrade at my power levels. Thanks for visiting!
What screen is above your infotainment screen? And where did you get it ?
That's just my smartphone turned sideways. These days, I mount it vertically since it shows more map ahead of me; plus, some of my apps don't work in landscape mode. Sometimes I put my 8-inch tablet there. It depends on what I feel like doing. Take care!
Can I have your IS20 to put in my recently acquired Alltrack?
I'd consider selling it. But it wouldn't command much more than it would cost to ship. It will either go into my daughter's Golf or remain with me to serve as a prop in my office/studio. Thanks for visiting.
What if you needed a new Turbo? My did
I'm not sure of the context of your comment. If it's regarding my "foolish" purchase, the "foolishness" came from me blowing money on a turbo that I didn't need. ;-) If a turbo needs replacing, then the IS38 is a good option. I'd also consider APR's new DTR6054, which claims to make 436 hp and 401 lb-ft on 91 AKI and with a factory exhaust. It's more laggy than an IS38; so, I think it's better suited for a DSG than my lazy-driven manual. ;-) Thanks for visiting!
Are you on the stock clutch? If not, what clutch are you using?
Not the stock clutch. Stick around for this Thursday's video where I will cover the other power mods to the car. Or, if you can't wait, visit my website for more info. Thanks for visiting!
Do you have a limited slip diff?
It has the "Performance Package" VAQ e-diff, which is basically a Haldex differential turned sideways. I also disabled the "cross-differential system" (XDS... ABS-based), which allows the VAQ to act on its own. When I have wheelspin, it's BOTH of them. :-)
@@StealthGTI nice, I have the base model with stick. I’m considering a wavetrack diff, but it’s good to know it will only have so much effect. Based on your video I’ll probably stick with stack two and go to summer tires
Did you consider a IS20 hybrid?
Only very briefly. I've reached a point to where I don't like to tinker. In my opinion, any tuner that requires logs to write a tune is "tinkering" and the outcome is subject to glitches, even if only sporadically. Too much tinkering often leads to check engine lights and/or driveability problems. I've been there and done that. I'm no longer part for the Check Engine Light Brigade. ;-) I like the car to run flawlessly at all times with no faults. If I need a conservative tune to do that, then I'm content to have just a little less. APR fit that bill very nicely. Plus, I have an APR dealer nearby. Thanks for visiting.
Are you gonna get a mk8?
Probably not. I'll drive this car until it's worthless. Hopefully, I'll be driving it when the Mk9 is released. :-) Thanks for visiting!
IS12 rips in the city. no top end though
I imagine that's true! Thanks for writing!
@@StealthGTI wow thanks for commenting! But ya, I have the 87 octane APR tune and I'll spin the tires at any speed below 70kph
I don’t understand why people do this over buying a golf r
That's easy: At the time of my purchase, brand new GTIs were selling for $6000+ under MSRP and Golf Rs were being marked-up to over MSRP. I paid around $24,500 for my GTI and Golf Rs were going for $42k and higher. Even with my selection of power mods, I'm still $10,000+ ahead of the Golf R, plus ongoing fuel savings. With that said, I'd LOVE to have a Golf R! However, I cannot justify the expense to replace what satisfies my wants/needs 95% of the time. Thanks for visiting!
Lol I seem to forget about better days where cars actually were purchased at deals. I grabbed an Mk8 autobahn for $500 under MSRP and considered myself lucky. I absolutely love the build by the way! Can’t wait for tunes to come out for this one
@@A_Guy123 - Too funny! With an "R" at the end of your name, I assumed you were an R owner. HAHA!
I'm looking at buying an alltrack and putting a bigger turbo to avoid the golf r tax and still get AWD
hello there quick question you have electronic limited slip differential ???
Yes, I do! This car came with what was then-known as the "Performance Package," which includes the VAQ e-differential. In my opinion, it interferes with the existing XDS, which is essentially ABS-controlled traction control. So, I disabled the XDS and let the VAQ do all the work. It seems to work well. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI do you swap the lever access for traction in ur LSD to strong mode traction with ur vagcom ?
Honestly, with your driving style, even tuning your MK7 GTI was a bad choice. IS38 is for those who want to go faster, and if you’re making speed limits a talking point, hell, why did you even buy this car? 🤣
Speed limits are a "talking point" because they're a fact of life in most areas. Good on you if you're able to blast along at 100+ mph every day, everywhere you go. For most everyone else, it's all just a novelty. Thanks for visiting.
Time to DTR6054?
I might have gone that direction if it had been an option from the beginning. However, I'm already in an IS38 and will stay here until it blows up. ;-) Thanks for visiting.
@@StealthGTI dang. I think it would make a good foolish video.
Is the is38 louder then the is20?
It is just a tad louder, perhaps slightly deeper than the IS20. But it may not be as noticeable with a quieter exhaust. Good Luck!
Oops, I slipped lol
HAHA! Yeah, sometimes I say silly things. Thanks for visiting!
This guy should not be driving a stick
Haha! After 40 years of driving stick exclusively, I can confidently say that I have over a million miles of rowing my own gears under my belt. With that said, my next car may be an automatic, perhaps even a (gasp) CVT. I've become tired of manual transmissions, but the cars that I want are also not offered with them. Hopefully, I'll still be in my GTI for a few more years, though. Thanks for visiting!
Just question if i install aftermarket down pipe do we lose or void vw warranty?
Legally, they have to prove that a given mod caused a given problem before denying a warranty claim. Realistically, if you take your car to a dealership for a powerplant problem and they know that you're tuned, they may flag your car for warranty denial and then risk the court battle later. So, even if you're right, who do you think has deeper pockets for fighting a claim in court? In my opinion, it's all about managing risk. They have to look for a tune; but a downpipe is staring right at them and is a dead giveaway. I'll skip the downpipe on future cars. Good Luck!
@@StealthGTI Thank you for the info..im using stratified tune stage 1 this time. I think im gonna stay in stage 1 just to maintain the warranty. Cheers..your gti is strong and beautiful set up👍👍
@@GTIclubdport9462 - Sounds like a plan. Just to be clear, though: Your tune still puts your warranty at risk; it's just not as obvious as a downpipe screaming at a mechanic. ;-) Take Care!
@@StealthGTI cheers..thank you for the good information..👍👍
Hehe, you'll be doing what up his where?!? 💦 @ 11:08
HAHA! Yeah, 30 years in the military left me with some creative ways to convey ideas. ;-) Thanks for visiting.
drivetrain loss is more than 10% surely....
There was a time when tuners claimed 15%. I'm not sure why so many are using corrections that are closer to 10% these days. I figured modern transmissions are more efficient. Of course, AWD and RWD have more losses. Either way, I'm good with 10% so that I don't get accused of padding my numbers. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI maybe mentioned earlier on, but have you upgraded the intercooler as well?
@@michiel6389 - I have an APR intercooler. Tomorrow's video will cover my performance mods. Stay tuned.
EQT.
I considered it. But I decided to stay mild and continue to work with my local APR dealer. Thanks for visiting!
@@StealthGTI I made the switch. I'm no APR hater ran their OTS stage 1 & 2. Both great tunes, however their is38 tune is a 3rd gear car. APR has tuned out all of the low end torque you talk about in 1st and 2nd gear making their is38 tune a 3rd gear car. EQT keeps the low end torque. I highly recommend switching.
@@deanmarr785 - Thanks for the note. I'm pretty sure the FWD version of APR's tune limits torque in first gear. Perhaps it affects 2nd a bit, too. I also know that I can request the AWD version (for GTI), which removes the torque restriction in first gear. I'll look into it.
Eqt is kick ass I have a mk7.5 stage 2 and it's unbelievable how much smoother and stronger eqt is compared to many other tunes I've ran and I get almost zero knock.
@@cmalone25ify -"Almost no knock?" ;-) Just playing! Thanks for visiting.
Slipped and bought a turbo🤣🤣🤣🏳️🏳️🏳️
HAHA! I "slip" with a lot of things. Thanks for visiting.