I think this is the first scene in the Crown that portraits a parliamentary session in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom. Funny cause it was Thatcher’s premiership that saw the first official televised session of parliament.
I’m pretty sure that is purely coincidental. That said the reason I think this was the first and to date only seen shot from the Commons was because the Show is trying not to focus too much on the government but on the monarchy. Yes the government is going to be showcased because as Claire Foy a put it “Everything the government does affects her”, but primarily they try to keep the focus on the queen. Lord Howe’s resignation from cabinet was the domino effect that led to thatchers exit from Downing Street. So naturally they had to feature it to set Margaret up for her exit, and to set the queen up for their reconciliation if you will.
@@brucetheloon Loved those. My grandad, who was very prudish, was in a state of high dudgeon that summer because he'd seen something hanging on a washing line near his hous but wouldn't say what it was about. We eventually got "Tshirt" out of him, but that was all. One of my fondest memories of my Nanna is her walking in on the conversation, clocking what it was about and saying, "It just said 'Bollocks to the Poll Tax."
@@stephenbaker2105 I agree the first episodes were ok but the last episodes were bad in terms of her voice and facial expressions cauese thatcher was so strong in her time as Prime Minister
It's hard to understand now, with its quiet, subdued tone and all these years later, how devastating this was to Margaret Thatcher. Her future was sealed by this speech, and everyone in the country knew it.
@@attackpatterndelta8949 Yeah I think they have recasted him. Wierd choice perhaps to cast someone for the last episode of a season to then recast him the very next episode. But we will see.
@@boulevard14 I think that’s an accurate representation of Thatcher in the last final phases of her tenure as prime minister. Her allies were quickly abandoning her and some of them actively working against her as well as mounting public persecution. As well as the fact that she despite her interest in continuing her premiership was no longer favored by her own party.
@@henrylivingstone2971 Except watch her impression and watch the actual Thatcher. She exaggerated her voice way too much, played her like Thatcher in the 2000s.
I completely agree Martin. Streep's Thatcher was a busy, dynamic character with lots of eye movements and obvious calculating 'thoughts'. Anderson has managed to humanise Thatcher, almost drawing the audience into her and allowing us to experience Thatcher's depth of 'emotions'. I can't get enough of Gillians' portrayal.
My one criticism of this particular scene was there was no backstory to set it up. That is we didn’t see the falling out between Lord Howe and the Baroness Thatcher before he gave this speech
I think it's enough that we see that he is constantly clashing with her cabinet on all matters of the her majesty's government that it would be a matter of time before it all explodes.
To be fair, if you want a fair representation of all the times Howe was mis-treated by Thatcher that would be a mini-series in itself. She was constantly belittling him in public - she'd even do it in front of journalists.
I, unfortunately, believe that they have recasted the John Major actor for the upcoming season. Maybe the look alike didn't have the acting abilities to continue the show.
@@pelloo3627 I doubt the acting was the problem . He has the mannerisms and facial expressions down to a tee . A sign someone is highly capable. Maybe the actor was unavailable or didn't like the character development Plus he would have had screen tests and so on. They were obviously happy with his capabilites.
@@hannahdyson7129 maybe, or they just wanted a look alike to stand in the background for the last episode of the season and then they would recast John Major when all the other actors were being recast aswell.
Wonderful acting by Gillian Anderson. This was when British politics was at its finest, loyalty, duty and the weight of power. All we get now is Poundland politicians just backing up the PM with no accountability in order to get promoted or keep their poxy job.
That's why MP's shouldn't be paid a base salary of £80,000 PLUS expenses. Being an MP nowadays is a fucking racket - the majority go into it for the money, nothing else. Why should that bitch Mhari Black, at 23 years of age when she was elected in 2015 with no experience, walk into a job paying a salary like that?? What OTHER job would give you a salary that high with no fucking experience??! Isn't it funny how she's disappeared. She came in with a few firebrand speeches, talking about the 'poison' of Westminster and how she was there to fight for change. Now she's silent, keeps her head down stays out the way and just takes the fucking money like the rest of them. Head in the fucking trough!
What really hurt for her was that Howe had been one of her most steadfast allies for close to two decades. Makes me wonder. Did she consider at that moment if she might be wrong? I doubt it.
I can’t help but notice the absence of Nigel Lawson who would have been seated right beside Howe to his right. He was a friend to Howe and wanted to publicly show his support to him during his speech. Lawson would succeed Howe as chancellor up until October 1989 when he himself resigned due to criticism from walters who favoured a floating exchange rate.
If it was about Thatcher, they'd probably have gone into that more. We might also have seen the legendary moment when Michael Heseltine went to shake Howe's hand and was gently guided away by Edward Heath (who was aware that it would have looked like Heseltine and Howe had conspired together).
Same including the strike and ira assasin attempt and also how effective she was in debating parliament when she resigned but this more of the monarchy than politics but it still should have some relevance but I guess the show was limited time and episodes
There were generations who despised their politicians for having a backbone. "Too stubborn, uncompromising", they said. Then we got Merkel and all the other figures from today. Let's face it: Gathering people for a good cause - and then keeping them together to make policy reality is really hard. Any person who does not become cynical in such a job deserves all our praise, no matter the political home. Was Thatcher such a person? I don't know enough about her. Criticizing other politicians as weakly cowards doesn't qualify a cynical person for me. How did she think about the general public?
A true warrior knows when to retreat. Merkel's success has been in that she is strong but she does know when to compromise. Thatcher said it was her way or the highway and never yielded. That can be good for some things but some things require compromise as circumstances change or new information is available
@@MsJubjubbird Nobody is perfect, nor was Merkel. She made some mistakes, but she was the best of politicians at the time, and also of what is available today. She had integrity like no other politician and pursued the policies she believed in, without letting populistic issues or bribe influence her decisions. She will be missed as a strong and decisive chancellor and leader of Germany.
This crappy Tory Govt are truly Thatcher’s Children. Cynical, corrupt, dishonest and only in it for themselves whilst stoking division and diversion from any scrutiny, aided and abetted by a dishonest press.
I've always wondered were there footage of MT's reaction/behaviour when Howe's resignation speech was read out loud during that session. I mean, did she really look/feel that destroyed during the session itself I wonder.
Yes and no. She actually showed a little irritation but from her that was almost as loud as a scream. Margaret Thatcher would have brushed the whole thing aside if it hadn't come from Howe but because it did she knew she had lost her inner circle's backing. She probably realised that this was the beginning of the end for her.
Man the show really made the House of Commons look like a cold and dark cave. It's quite the contrast to the actual recordings of Howe's speech where the room is warm and brightly light. Not to mention the room was way more crowed and lively when he gave his speech. His cricket metaphor got a much bigger laugh than the show depicted. I kind of wish dramas would lay off the gloomy atmosphere every now and then. Darkness is darker when you have light to compare it with.
@theshlauf While I do generally agree regarding dramas making everything dark, one could actually argue that since this was the beginning of the end of Thatcher’s time in office, the dark undertone might actually fit this scene when given the context.
@@samueljennings4809 That would be a good use of dark tone. But this is just the default tone throughout the entire series. Even the happy moments are drowned in shadow.
Gereat show, tho, if you watch the real speech of Geoffrey Howe, Thatcher wasnt as stiff and upset, she even laughed about the basball bat joke a bit and wasnt as upset. I know the Series treis to get s super serious tone but i think it might be a bit better sometimes to stick a bit to the source material we have and then interprete what a charcater might think behind closed doors as we saw before in this show. It makes watching the real footage to some events a bit weird espeically politics.
And John Major was having a tooth out and couldn’t comment on anything until AFTER he had been elected Tory leader then dived in the bath with Edwina Currie and told us all to have higher standards
The opening is rubbish. Howe argued he had no ideological difference with the PM, hence the line ‘I must be the only minister ever to have resigned because I was in full accordance with government policy.’ He thought Thatcher herself had departed from the mission
They did just use his actual words. Howe gave the speech because he was annoyed that the Thatcherites claimed his letter of resignation included no difference in policy between them. He felt they were a long way apart on Europe (the cricket thing in this clip was about Thatcher casually dismissing the hard ECU which Major and the Treasury had been working on for about a year by saying, in reply to a parliamentary question, "In my opinion, it won't be widely used". Not only did she throw Major under a bus, it was tactially inept of her. The whole point of the hard ECU was the idea that Europe could have a common currency without abandoning national currencies. It was actually the only thing they had that might genuinely have at least delayed EMU.)
Absolutely right! She got detached from the public and deluded in her views of how to run the country. Sitting in number 10 like a dictator without consulting the wishes of the parliament or the public - she had it coming!
no, he is sat too far back at the time Tony Blair was shadow secretary of state for employment thus would be sat on the front bench maybe it's Mandelson but the actor looks more like Bryan Gould.
So did no one spring for any lights for this show? Every scene I've ever watched, even outside scenes are so dark. .... or was that planned because the subject matter, story, and location are all dreary, depressing and interesting?
You over estimate how Britons think of Diane Spencer. She was a silly girl who became a media junky. After the strange week of her death and funeral, there was general embarrassment and now she's forgotten. Who cares who plays her in a TV soap opera?
@@nigelsheppard625 uhhh 2.5 Billion people watch her funeral mate and more 3 Million gather at Hyde Park and Victoria Square 23 years after her death and she is still the most recognizable royal member of all time which is funny considering she died when her title was already taken off from her and the 2nd most recognized brit in its history according to time magazine and if she's forgotten how come news stations are reporting on her again after the crown and the new BBC revelation on Martin Bashir
I come here again to say this is nothing like the actual speech. In fact, outside of the first sentence, there is almost nothing similar to the original speech.
That's not correct, it's shortened but most of it is directly quoted. The cricketing metaphor, the 'no no no' letter, the 20 years loyalty, and the last few lines are almost exactly as Howe said them. Are you thinking of another speech maybe?
Unfortunately this dramatization only represents the very last few minutes of Sir Geoffrey Howe’s speech which was around 18 minutes in full! The actual speech was more of a condemnation of her antagonism towards the EU, and a clear and concise warning of the future to basically where are now, Howe in the real speech even quoted a line regarding our relationship with Europe and the argument against trying to join the common market from former PM Harold Macmillan in 1962 which I think is profoundly consistent with Brexit in which he stated the warning that we should “Not to retreat into a ghetto of sentimentality about our past”
I remember this and we've seen the videos of this dramatic event- but that's neither Mrs Thatcher or Geofrey Howe. So what's the point of trying to sex it up?
Rubbish Commons mock-up though. All out of proportion and with various oddments, just looks like they’ve used a provincial council chamber. Few bits of plywood could have worked wonders :D
Anybody get the feeling that the writers didn't like Thatcher? Not British, not conversant with her life and times but considering she came and went how long ago? They are are swatting a historical fly with a sledgehammer. Anyone able to tell me what the deal is/was?
I'd need a better reminder of what bits your thinking of but trust me as a Brit Thatcher to us is certainly not a fly in our past, still today she remains present in her divisive transformation of the country that has shaped our modern day society and recent decision to collectively jump of a cliff on foreign policy. (In fact the most popular question in 2016 was how would've Maggie have voted) Maggie is always difficult to portray as whatever you do odds are you piss off half the country But yeah I don't know if this answers your question but at least gives you an idea of how emotive of an issue she is over here
Important to note that whatever you think of thathcer Howe was completely in the wrong, him and other MPs pushing us into the ERM was a disaster for our currency leading to Black Wednesday. Cost us billions with nothing to show for it.
That doesn't mean Thatcher didn't dug her own grave. The Tories were down 20 points and Thatcher seemed oblivious to the fact she was leading to disaster. The poll tax was single handedly giving Labour the election in 92. If Howe hadn't done so the Tories would've been decimated. Look what happened this election and you'll understand why the Tories did what they had to.
That's far too simplistic. The ERM was largely seen as a measure to control inflation and in that regard it was rather successful. The mistake made was entering at too high a level against the Deustchmark - that was a big part of why leaving proved so painful and costly, but in the long run the ERM was an important part of how the economy recovered. Once the recovery started the UK economy did pretty well right up to the 2008 crash, one of the longest runs of relative prosperity we've had. It's really being highly selective with history to claim we got nothing out of membership of the ERM. Also worth noting that Thatcher was almost completely isolated in opposing the ERM - even the likes of Normal Tebbit were in favour of entry, much as he later tried to pretend he wasn't - it also had the full support of the opposition parties, the press and the overwhelming majority of Tory MPs (the Tories became a lot more Euroskeptic after 1992 when a lot of older, pro-Europe MPs retired and "Thatcher's children", young MPs who'd only really known the party under Thatcher, replaced them). And it can't be ignored that she demanded an interest cut on entry that did a fair amount of damage. And that's before we talk about how Thatcher's own economic miracle lasted only a few years and how most of the economic markers were about as bad on the day she resigned as they'd been when she took office. And before we mention the 1988 budget which is the closest budget in my lifetime in terms of it's immediate and harmful consequences to the Truss / Kwarteng mini-budget of 2022.
@chrispalmer7893 I don't understand what you're talking about, saying the erm was an important part of our recovery up to 2008 makes 0 sense when we weren't a party to it since the early 90s. Are you sure you're thinking if the exchange rate mechanism? I think you might be getting confused with the precursor to the EU. It doesn't matter if you "set the value too high" because the eu is not an optimum currency area, there is insufficient market mechanisms to balance out an under or overvaluation. Thatcher being alone only makes her being correct more impressive.
@@the500mphtortoise I didn't say that it was stiill effective up to 2008, I said that it was a useful start to the process. It should also be noted that our painful exit from the system leads to the mistaken belief that it was bad from start to finish. People allow their impressions of most things to be dominated by how they end and that's rarely the best measure of the experience. And it needn't have been that painful. Major and Lamont would have taken us out in a year or so because they considered it to have served its purpose (inflation was coming down), but the crisis on Black Wednesday happened first. That crisis was by no means inevitable - it was well within the power of the Deustchbank to intervene to save Sterling as they later did for the Franc. As to why they didn't do so, well I'm afraid you have to look at the poor state of UK / German relations over the previous years in which your friend Maggie played a starring role. We gave the Germans - nor anyone else - little reason to be sympathetic to our plight; Thatcher's bulldog diplomacy may have often won her her initial objective, but we paid the price in other ways. Or maybe it was just that there was a point where the Deutschbank had to a draw a line and if the France had been targeted before Sterling it is the Franc that would have crashed out of the ERM and Sterling that would have been rescued. I subscribe to the interpretation that Black Wednesday was a poltical crisis - it pretty much sealed the Conservative Party's fate in terms of them winning the next election, although after 4 wins the odds weren't ever going to be in their favour - but it didn't prove to be an economic crisis in the long run, even though it was pretty damned costly on the day.
She lived by the sword and she died by it. She can hardly complain about those around her finally standing up to her and years of her bullying and cajoling them. She got a taste of her own medicine and she left Downing Street in tears. I can only imagine her reaction years previously had one of her cabinet members had been ''so weak'' like she was at the end.
@@ericcarlson3746 Yep. Heath was stabbed in the back by Thatcher, his own education secretary. Once Major became PM she tried to be a back seat driver.
One has to give credit to Netflix for the amazing caricaturing of so many historical figures in this series. The only exception that comes to mind is George VI, well acted, but not a good caricature.
@@jackpearson5285 Not necessarily. He could have sincerely believed in the European project, and he could have been hired on because his expertise was valued.
Absolutely hated this portrayal of Margaret thatcher. It’s too cartoonish and a character of itself. The constant stroke like facial reactions. I honestly get how anyone thinks this is good. Meryl Streep gave a master class in how to do Thatcher.
Im a MT aficionado, but it seemed at the time he was betraying his leadership. They portrayed here as different interpretations of political courses , and perhaps that’s what happened.
and sadly after the iron lady left - the little male puppies who followed and the rest of the parliament are but of no dignity and integrity that brought the UK further deep. all talk and no action.
Tories were tearing them self to pieces back then as they are now,little wonder the people who used to support them have lost all faith in them as a party capable of leading the nation,i fear they are now consigned to opposition with no hope of ever governing again.
She's rotting in hell for all she's done. Thatcher brought about her downfall with her failed policies and arrogant attitude. good riddance to the Wicked Witch of Britain.
Yeah, I mean they were right that our current trajectory would take us out of Europe, a place where we ironically got what we wanted on big issues like originally not having that whole pesky social chapter on workers rights, but whether that was the right thing to do ? No
Howe was a little man who was bitter about the 1975 leadership contest even though he had bungled the 1974 general election and was unable to bring the unions under control, which was Thatcher's greatest achievement. A snob and a lightweight, he brief premiership will be cast into the oblivion of history.
Howe was never the PM. And Howe was directly involved in much of what Thatcher would cite as her greatest achievements (as she acknowledges in her memoirs even after the way it all ended). He actually took more punishment - not just from Thatcher, but much of it was - than most people could handle before finally deciding enough was enough. He knew he was ending his own career, too, by the way.
Actually, the irony here is that he is leaving his ''weakness' behind and gained the strength to be his own man after years of been bullied and browbeaten by Thatcher. You can disagree with what he is saying but he is certainly not being weak here.
Geoffrey Howe's resignation speech back in 1990 did this country a great disservice and led the Conservative party to dismiss one of the Greatest Prime Minister's of the 20th century! Margaret Thatcher was a conviction politician and towering figure our Iron lady! lady Thatcher's greatly and very much sadly missed we could do with her now in a troubled challenging world!! 😔
The country did fine out of this. Major's government gave us a far more sustainable economy than Thatcher ever managed, and we all benefited from the Tories rendering themselves unelectable for over a decade.
Casting Gilian Anderson as Margaret Thatcher has got to be one of the worst casting decisions ever. Anderson plays a Thatcher who appears like a weak sparrow that could blow over in a slight wind.
@@Afroman29 she was a good pm and no one has given a good reason otherwise so I'll wait for you you do it. How is she wicked saying she is isn't an argument nor is it substitute for one either. So tell me why she was wicked and a bad pm and a lot more of something.
@@kordellswoffer1520 It can be objectively argued that she oversaw the vast decline of industry in a lot of the country outside the South East. The financial services in London isn't really a true economy in terms of everyone having a solid job. The miners didn't do anything wrong. She just destroyed their industry without any replacement to keep large sections of the industrial North going. In other words, she abandoned much of the country for only a small part to get a big boom.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 I never saw your message but now I have seen it. Decline is vague, seeing as industrial output grew during her years as pm and considering the poor state of Britain industry I don’t blame anyone person for the decline. The coal miners did do something wrong, they basically strong-armed the country into concessions and getting whatever they wanted when they shouldn’t have gotten it. Coal was dying industry in the first place. She closed less mines then her labor counter part and even on a yearly basic by quite the margins. Heavy industries have been leaving Britain for quite sometime but that can be blamed on taxes regulations unions etc. The British economy is still an economy just because it doesn’t revolve around heavy industry doesn’t mean it’s not an economy.
The "defeat" is shown and lived everyday. Great Britain is not so "great" anymore. In fact it is a mess. Almost a laughingstock. The jury is still out as to how Brexit will play out. But the chaos at the beginning is very damaging to the image and the economy of the U.K.
@Son 0f Jack Oh so it's only cause Boris in the end didn't want to leave, if we had Douglas Caswell, John Redwood doing it or good ol' Nigel, Brexit would be brilliant and we'd all run round laughing and singing in our wonderful utopia free from EU red tape, correct?
Her decisions also prevailed in creating an underdeveloped North, dismal public services with the NHS so fragmented it needs jobs to tie jobs together and a loosly regulated financial system perfect for hiding Russian money and creating a global recession in 2008 (granted along with its American big brother)
@Son 0f Jack Brexit however you slice it is not a good economic decision for the country, economically: we said yar boo sucks to a market we have spent 40 years integrating and building with and politically our closest allies were told that we think their awful and that were gonna tie ourselves to the sinking ship known as America (sorry to any Americans), the only thing it would be successful on is limiting EU migration but that just means that we start offering visas to more people further afield, I don't know if I've made any difference to you but Brexit was either way a regression, (sorry if I came off as rather aggressive in the first bit)
She is probably the last "Legendary" British Prime Minister to date. Who comes close to her in prestige? Maybe Tony Blair? But that's the guy who got Britain involved in 2 disastrous wars. At least Thatcher overwhelmingly won her war. (And it wasn't an illegal nor an illegitimate war either). She's the only PM with an epithet in recent memory. After her we got the short reined John Major. Tony Blair. Another short term with Gordon Brown. A coalition leader in David Cameron for 5 years. Then short stints with Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Now Liz Truss, the conwoman.
We have to temper the Falklands thing with the reality that her government's negligence directly caused that war. She ignored all warnings to the contrary and insisted on withdrawing the HMS Endurance from the South Atlantic. It's only the successful outcome that saved her (and with all due respect to our troops, it was a closer run thing than we now remember - several times Argentinian shells and missiles failed to explode on impact and that saved some pretty important ships). Without her negligence (and that of her Foreign Secretary) the Argentinians would never have invaded in the first place. If you need a souce for that, I suggest you read the Franks Report. Written by a former mandarin who worked really hard not to apportion blame, but the story is pretty clear nonetheless. Also worth noting that the economic recovery managed by Major and Clarke turned into one of the longest periods of prosperity we've had. Thatcher left office with inflation and other economic indicators pretty much back to where they were when she entered Downing Street, Major and Clarke handed over a strong economy that thrived for another decade. I'm not one of those who would argue that Thatcher was evil, or that everything she did was bad, but her record is - at best - mixed.
What is this amazing soundtrack that makes this scene and may others so heartfelt? Is there a name for this ominous sound?
It's 'Black Widow'. It is available on youtube
@@sherlockholmes5211 Thank you so much!
It was also played in season 3 during charles and Wallis conversation at the formers kings funeral. Marvelous!
@@albertofrancis6804 It was ALSO played when Charles broke the news to Camilla that he was to marry Diana
@@captainwartburger2571 It was also played when Charles reads the letter that Lord Mountbatten wrote to him before his death
I think this is the first scene in the Crown that portraits a parliamentary session in the House of Commons of the United Kingdom. Funny cause it was Thatcher’s premiership that saw the first official televised session of parliament.
I’m pretty sure that is purely coincidental. That said the reason I think this was the first and to date only seen shot from the Commons was because the Show is trying not to focus too much on the government but on the monarchy. Yes the government is going to be showcased because as Claire Foy a put it “Everything the government does affects her”, but primarily they try to keep the focus on the queen. Lord Howe’s resignation from cabinet was the domino effect that led to thatchers exit from Downing Street. So naturally they had to feature it to set Margaret up for her exit, and to set the queen up for their reconciliation if you will.
I think that it might be because the show is called "The Crown" and not "The Parliament"
I remember watching the real speech at the time. It was absolutely devastating for Thatcher, she was on borrowed time from that moment on.
Howe effectively ended her time as Prime Minister in that speech.
That speech effectively ended her career in politics
She was on borrowed time from the Poll Tax riots in spring 1990.
@@anonUK I had a Bollocks to the Poll Tax t-shirt that a family member brought back from the UK to South Africa at the time.
@@brucetheloon Loved those. My grandad, who was very prudish, was in a state of high dudgeon that summer because he'd seen something hanging on a washing line near his hous but wouldn't say what it was about. We eventually got "Tshirt" out of him, but that was all. One of my fondest memories of my Nanna is her walking in on the conversation, clocking what it was about and saying, "It just said 'Bollocks to the Poll Tax."
That final shot at the end of the vid...her facial expression... wonderful acting by gillian anderson
She has been one of the best this season
Her performance captured Thatcher astonishingly well, far more so than Meryl Streep in the dreadful movie The Iron Lady IMO
@@EyefilmsUk Except that there was no similarities to Margaret Thatcher whatsoever. Appalling acting.
She overacted the part and sounded like a demented old bat
@@stephenbaker2105 I agree the first episodes were ok but the last episodes were bad in terms of her voice and facial expressions cauese thatcher was so strong in her time as Prime Minister
It's hard to understand now, with its quiet, subdued tone and all these years later, how devastating this was to Margaret Thatcher. Her future was sealed by this speech, and everyone in the country knew it.
It was her own Eurpsceptism that doomed her. That and the poll tax.
@Peter T cope.
@@hi1gr196 >lose
>say other people are coping
This is what’s known as “Seething”
@@thomasprice7893 where loss?
@@hi1gr196 I dunno, every general election since Blair?
damn bravo to whoever casted the john major lookalike
Yes, you could clearly tell it was him. Almost expect him to eat peas.
Johnny Lee Miller portrays Major in the next series.
@@attackpatterndelta8949 Yeah I think they have recasted him. Wierd choice perhaps to cast someone for the last episode of a season to then recast him the very next episode. But we will see.
I think it was just those wide rimmed glasses that signalled him out
Yes when I saw the picture I was so surprised! I thought it was CGI or something he literally looks just like John Major.
Imagine seeing Trainspotting in 1996 and being told the actor playing Sick Boy will also play the Prime Minister
In my humble opinion,the very best interpretation of Thatcher to date.
Gillian Anderson deserves accolades for this.
Breathtaking.
You kidding right, Gillian's Thatcher seems like she is 90 and dying.
@@boulevard14
I think that’s an accurate representation of Thatcher in the last final phases of her tenure as prime minister. Her allies were quickly abandoning her and some of them actively working against her as well as mounting public persecution. As well as the fact that she despite her interest in continuing her premiership was no longer favored by her own party.
@@henrylivingstone2971 Except watch her impression and watch the actual Thatcher. She exaggerated her voice way too much, played her like Thatcher in the 2000s.
I completely agree Martin. Streep's Thatcher was a busy, dynamic character with lots of eye movements and obvious calculating 'thoughts'. Anderson has managed to humanise Thatcher, almost drawing the audience into her and allowing us to experience Thatcher's depth of 'emotions'. I can't get enough of Gillians' portrayal.
Meryl Streep did it better in my opinion
My one criticism of this particular scene was there was no backstory to set it up. That is we didn’t see the falling out between Lord Howe and the Baroness Thatcher before he gave this speech
I think it's enough that we see that he is constantly clashing with her cabinet on all matters of the her majesty's government that it would be a matter of time before it all explodes.
To be fair, if you want a fair representation of all the times Howe was mis-treated by Thatcher that would be a mini-series in itself. She was constantly belittling him in public - she'd even do it in front of journalists.
I look forward to the John Major actor being back for season 5. He looks so much like him.
So much!!! It looks unbelievable
I, unfortunately, believe that they have recasted the John Major actor for the upcoming season. Maybe the look alike didn't have the acting abilities to continue the show.
@@pelloo3627 I doubt the acting was the problem . He has the mannerisms and facial expressions down to a tee . A sign someone is highly capable.
Maybe the actor was unavailable or didn't like the character development
Plus he would have had screen tests and so on. They were obviously happy with his capabilites.
@@hannahdyson7129 maybe, or they just wanted a look alike to stand in the background for the last episode of the season and then they would recast John Major when all the other actors were being recast aswell.
@@pelloo3627 That would be pretty poor constancy and forum on their part
You know a politician is betraying when they talk loyalty
lmao he isn't betraying anyone.
But he's specifically talking about a conflict of loyalty, which necessarily implies he has to betray one of those loyalties
His loyalties are to Queen and Country. Party SHOULD come a distant third. He didn't swear allegiance to the PM.
@@johnroscoe2406 Well he is effectively backstabbing Thatcher in this speech.
@@Thierry_Nawar OH NO HOW DARE HE! NOT IRON MARGE!
John Major as himself.
I'm glad they remembered the giant glasses.
Rather like the effort they’ve gone to to recreate the cabinet there, you can spot faux-Major, Hurd, Lawson etc.
And even a lookalike Jonathan Aitken peeping out from behind Howe towards the end.
@@markeightfourone8693 No opportunities to see Kinnock though, unless they chose not to research him
There are times when Gillian looks like she is sitting on a squishy octopus. She is phenomenally gifted at delivering exactly what is required.
Wonderful acting by Gillian Anderson. This was when British politics was at its finest, loyalty, duty and the weight of power. All we get now is Poundland politicians just backing up the PM with no accountability in order to get promoted or keep their poxy job.
That's why MP's shouldn't be paid a base salary of £80,000 PLUS expenses. Being an MP nowadays is a fucking racket - the majority go into it for the money, nothing else. Why should that bitch Mhari Black, at 23 years of age when she was elected in 2015 with no experience, walk into a job paying a salary like that?? What OTHER job would give you a salary that high with no fucking experience??! Isn't it funny how she's disappeared. She came in with a few firebrand speeches, talking about the 'poison' of Westminster and how she was there to fight for change. Now she's silent, keeps her head down stays out the way and just takes the fucking money like the rest of them. Head in the fucking trough!
ha watch Yes, Minister
And who's fault is that!? Us, the voters
Wow the actor playing John Major is the spitting image of him
What really hurt for her was that Howe had been one of her most steadfast allies for close to two decades.
Makes me wonder. Did she consider at that moment if she might be wrong? I doubt it.
I can’t help but notice the absence of Nigel Lawson who would have been seated right beside Howe to his right.
He was a friend to Howe and wanted to publicly show his support to him during his speech.
Lawson would succeed Howe as chancellor up until October 1989 when he himself resigned due to criticism from walters who favoured a floating exchange rate.
If it was about Thatcher, they'd probably have gone into that more. We might also have seen the legendary moment when Michael Heseltine went to shake Howe's hand and was gently guided away by Edward Heath (who was aware that it would have looked like Heseltine and Howe had conspired together).
I was surprised that there was no mention of poll tax in S4 of The Crown...
Same including the strike and ira assasin attempt and also how effective she was in debating parliament when she resigned but this more of the monarchy than politics but it still should have some relevance but I guess the show was limited time and episodes
I notice in the thumbnail that she’s sitting next to John Major. And he’s not played by Jonny Lee Miller. I wonder how they’ll explain that.
It is strange, but I believe just like the queen will be recast, so will John Major, maybe he will look a bit older in season 5.
John Major has been recast. I've never actually heard of the guy playing him.
If The Crown rumbles on into Season 6 then we'll see Tony Blair.
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Is Blair going to play himself. They couldn't get an actor stupid enough for the role!!!!!!!!!!!
There were generations who despised their politicians for having a backbone. "Too stubborn, uncompromising", they said. Then we got Merkel and all the other figures from today. Let's face it: Gathering people for a good cause - and then keeping them together to make policy reality is really hard. Any person who does not become cynical in such a job deserves all our praise, no matter the political home.
Was Thatcher such a person? I don't know enough about her. Criticizing other politicians as weakly cowards doesn't qualify a cynical person for me. How did she think about the general public?
Disdain for the public in general . She didn't care how many of the publics lives
A true warrior knows when to retreat. Merkel's success has been in that she is strong but she does know when to compromise. Thatcher said it was her way or the highway and never yielded. That can be good for some things but some things require compromise as circumstances change or new information is available
@@MsJubjubbird couldn't agree more.
@@MsJubjubbird Nobody is perfect, nor was Merkel. She made some mistakes, but she was the best of politicians at the time, and also of what is available today. She had integrity like no other politician and pursued the policies she believed in, without letting populistic issues or bribe influence her decisions. She will be missed as a strong and decisive chancellor and leader of Germany.
This crappy Tory Govt are truly Thatcher’s Children. Cynical, corrupt, dishonest and only in it for themselves whilst stoking division and diversion from any scrutiny, aided and abetted by a dishonest press.
I've always wondered were there footage of MT's reaction/behaviour when Howe's resignation speech was read out loud during that session. I mean, did she really look/feel that destroyed during the session itself I wonder.
Yes and no. She actually showed a little irritation but from her that was almost as loud as a scream. Margaret Thatcher would have brushed the whole thing aside if it hadn't come from Howe but because it did she knew she had lost her inner circle's backing. She probably realised that this was the beginning of the end for her.
Man the show really made the House of Commons look like a cold and dark cave. It's quite the contrast to the actual recordings of Howe's speech where the room is warm and brightly light. Not to mention the room was way more crowed and lively when he gave his speech. His cricket metaphor got a much bigger laugh than the show depicted.
I kind of wish dramas would lay off the gloomy atmosphere every now and then. Darkness is darker when you have light to compare it with.
@theshlauf While I do generally agree regarding dramas making everything dark, one could actually argue that since this was the beginning of the end of Thatcher’s time in office, the dark undertone might actually fit this scene when given the context.
@@samueljennings4809 That would be a good use of dark tone. But this is just the default tone throughout the entire series. Even the happy moments are drowned in shadow.
Why is Donald Dewar sitting behind Mrs Thatcher in this scene?
Seems tame now considering what Boris Johnson is going through right now
Gereat show, tho, if you watch the real speech of Geoffrey Howe, Thatcher wasnt as stiff and upset, she even laughed about the basball bat joke a bit and wasnt as upset. I know the Series treis to get s super serious tone but i think it might be a bit better sometimes to stick a bit to the source material we have and then interprete what a charcater might think behind closed doors as we saw before in this show. It makes watching the real footage to some events a bit weird espeically politics.
haha yes, what a radical idea to try to tell the real story. f*** hollywood.
Not baseball….it’s cricket old chap.
And John Major was having a tooth out and couldn’t comment on anything until AFTER he had been elected Tory leader then dived in the bath with Edwina Currie and told us all to have higher standards
To be fair, the Edwina affair was earlier. It stopped when he became Foreign Secretary because he had 24/7 police protection from then on.
Might be the most famous speech in modern history next to Reagan’s “tear down this wall.” I don’t think the Tory’s have ever been the same.
Um no, I think MLK's "I have a dream speach" is even more famous☠️
No one's heard of it outside of England.
@@dadevi- not true. We knew about it the US.
Certainly one of the most famous peacetime parliamentary speeches.
@@blinktwice4541 - I said since Reagan’s tear down this wall speech, which was in 1985? MLK’s speech was in 1963.
If I am right, "No ! No! No!" was after his resignation,
in her PMQs
The speech is after his resignation, and right before PMQs.
"No! No! No!" was on 30 October 1990, Howe resigned 1 November, and this resignation speech to the Commons was on 13 November.
@@billb207 Howe has stated that "No! No! No!" is the exact moment when he decided to resign.
The opening is rubbish. Howe argued he had no ideological difference with the PM, hence the line ‘I must be the only minister ever to have resigned because I was in full accordance with government policy.’ He thought Thatcher herself had departed from the mission
They did just use his actual words. Howe gave the speech because he was annoyed that the Thatcherites claimed his letter of resignation included no difference in policy between them. He felt they were a long way apart on Europe (the cricket thing in this clip was about Thatcher casually dismissing the hard ECU which Major and the Treasury had been working on for about a year by saying, in reply to a parliamentary question, "In my opinion, it won't be widely used". Not only did she throw Major under a bus, it was tactially inept of her. The whole point of the hard ECU was the idea that Europe could have a common currency without abandoning national currencies. It was actually the only thing they had that might genuinely have at least delayed EMU.)
He rose while sat next to Nigel Lawson. This was an important detail missed in this scene.
This was Maggie being "savaged by a dead sheep."
I remember this. It absolutely nailed her, and there was a general sense that, finally, she got what was coming.
And what did she do that caused her to get what was coming to her.
@Ailen Gilean what was right that she didn't do.
@Ailen Gilean lol what. That doesn't answer my question what's did she not do that she have that you deem right.
@Ailen Gilean lol, nonsense. You must be the lefts best.
Absolutely right! She got detached from the public and deluded in her views of how to run the country. Sitting in number 10 like a dictator without consulting the wishes of the parliament or the public - she had it coming!
1:46 IS THAT TONY BLAIR
no, he is sat too far back at the time Tony Blair was shadow secretary of state for employment thus would be sat on the front bench maybe it's Mandelson but the actor looks more like Bryan Gould.
@@jonsouth1545 I don't think Mandelson was an MP yet, I thought he became an MP in 1992. Could well be meant to be Gould though.
@@jonsouth1545 Peter Mandelson was MP for Hartlepool 1992-2004 while this takes place in 1990
So did no one spring for any lights for this show? Every scene I've ever watched, even outside scenes are so dark. .... or was that planned because the subject matter, story, and location are all dreary, depressing and interesting?
I wonder if Princess Diana character is also played by someone from USA will be accepted by people of UK.
I’m British and I don’t see why not? Churchill was played by John Lithgow, who himself is American.
Yeah your wish is granted Kristen stewart god help us is gonna play her for an upcoming movie next year
Also Daniel day Lewis played Lincoln who's a brit
You over estimate how Britons think of Diane Spencer. She was a silly girl who became a media junky. After the strange week of her death and funeral, there was general embarrassment and now she's forgotten. Who cares who plays her in a TV soap opera?
@@nigelsheppard625 uhhh 2.5 Billion people watch her funeral mate and more 3 Million gather at Hyde Park and Victoria Square 23 years after her death and she is still the most recognizable royal member of all time which is funny considering she died when her title was already taken off from her and the 2nd most recognized brit in its history according to time magazine and if she's forgotten how come news stations are reporting on her again after the crown and the new BBC revelation on Martin Bashir
I come here again to say this is nothing like the actual speech. In fact, outside of the first sentence, there is almost nothing similar to the original speech.
That's not correct, it's shortened but most of it is directly quoted. The cricketing metaphor, the 'no no no' letter, the 20 years loyalty, and the last few lines are almost exactly as Howe said them. Are you thinking of another speech maybe?
That's just wrong. Everything I heard was a direct quote. It's not the whole thing, of course, but all those words were in the original.
Unfortunately this dramatization only represents the very last few minutes of Sir Geoffrey Howe’s speech which was around 18 minutes in full!
The actual speech was more of a condemnation of her antagonism towards the EU, and a clear and concise warning of the future to basically where are now, Howe in the real speech even quoted a line regarding our relationship with Europe and the argument against trying to join the common market from former PM Harold Macmillan in 1962 which I think is profoundly consistent with Brexit in which he stated the warning that we should “Not to retreat into a ghetto of sentimentality about our past”
Such an scathing speech agaonst me would have killed me
John Major on her right?
I remember this and we've seen the videos of this dramatic event- but that's neither Mrs Thatcher or Geofrey Howe. So what's the point of trying to sex it up?
I remember celebrating it.
Rubbish Commons mock-up though. All out of proportion and with various oddments, just looks like they’ve used a provincial council chamber. Few bits of plywood could have worked wonders :D
I wonder who will play John Major and Tony Blair
Anybody get the feeling that the writers didn't like Thatcher? Not British, not conversant with her life and times but considering she came and went how long ago? They are are swatting a historical fly with a sledgehammer. Anyone able to tell me what the deal is/was?
I'd need a better reminder of what bits your thinking of but trust me as a Brit Thatcher to us is certainly not a fly in our past, still today she remains present in her divisive transformation of the country that has shaped our modern day society and recent decision to collectively jump of a cliff on foreign policy. (In fact the most popular question in 2016 was how would've Maggie have voted)
Maggie is always difficult to portray as whatever you do odds are you piss off half the country
But yeah I don't know if this answers your question but at least gives you an idea of how emotive of an issue she is over here
@@notsuretbh7215 Wow! Genuinely interesting. Thanks 👍
Important to note that whatever you think of thathcer Howe was completely in the wrong, him and other MPs pushing us into the ERM was a disaster for our currency leading to Black Wednesday. Cost us billions with nothing to show for it.
That doesn't mean Thatcher didn't dug her own grave. The Tories were down 20 points and Thatcher seemed oblivious to the fact she was leading to disaster. The poll tax was single handedly giving Labour the election in 92. If Howe hadn't done so the Tories would've been decimated. Look what happened this election and you'll understand why the Tories did what they had to.
That's far too simplistic. The ERM was largely seen as a measure to control inflation and in that regard it was rather successful. The mistake made was entering at too high a level against the Deustchmark - that was a big part of why leaving proved so painful and costly, but in the long run the ERM was an important part of how the economy recovered. Once the recovery started the UK economy did pretty well right up to the 2008 crash, one of the longest runs of relative prosperity we've had. It's really being highly selective with history to claim we got nothing out of membership of the ERM.
Also worth noting that Thatcher was almost completely isolated in opposing the ERM - even the likes of Normal Tebbit were in favour of entry, much as he later tried to pretend he wasn't - it also had the full support of the opposition parties, the press and the overwhelming majority of Tory MPs (the Tories became a lot more Euroskeptic after 1992 when a lot of older, pro-Europe MPs retired and "Thatcher's children", young MPs who'd only really known the party under Thatcher, replaced them). And it can't be ignored that she demanded an interest cut on entry that did a fair amount of damage. And that's before we talk about how Thatcher's own economic miracle lasted only a few years and how most of the economic markers were about as bad on the day she resigned as they'd been when she took office. And before we mention the 1988 budget which is the closest budget in my lifetime in terms of it's immediate and harmful consequences to the Truss / Kwarteng mini-budget of 2022.
@chrispalmer7893 I don't understand what you're talking about, saying the erm was an important part of our recovery up to 2008 makes 0 sense when we weren't a party to it since the early 90s. Are you sure you're thinking if the exchange rate mechanism? I think you might be getting confused with the precursor to the EU.
It doesn't matter if you "set the value too high" because the eu is not an optimum currency area, there is insufficient market mechanisms to balance out an under or overvaluation.
Thatcher being alone only makes her being correct more impressive.
@@the500mphtortoise I didn't say that it was stiill effective up to 2008, I said that it was a useful start to the process. It should also be noted that our painful exit from the system leads to the mistaken belief that it was bad from start to finish. People allow their impressions of most things to be dominated by how they end and that's rarely the best measure of the experience. And it needn't have been that painful. Major and Lamont would have taken us out in a year or so because they considered it to have served its purpose (inflation was coming down), but the crisis on Black Wednesday happened first.
That crisis was by no means inevitable - it was well within the power of the Deustchbank to intervene to save Sterling as they later did for the Franc. As to why they didn't do so, well I'm afraid you have to look at the poor state of UK / German relations over the previous years in which your friend Maggie played a starring role. We gave the Germans - nor anyone else - little reason to be sympathetic to our plight; Thatcher's bulldog diplomacy may have often won her her initial objective, but we paid the price in other ways. Or maybe it was just that there was a point where the Deutschbank had to a draw a line and if the France had been targeted before Sterling it is the Franc that would have crashed out of the ERM and Sterling that would have been rescued.
I subscribe to the interpretation that Black Wednesday was a poltical crisis - it pretty much sealed the Conservative Party's fate in terms of them winning the next election, although after 4 wins the odds weren't ever going to be in their favour - but it didn't prove to be an economic crisis in the long run, even though it was pretty damned costly on the day.
The House was far more crowded that day.
All hail Gillian Anderson,very much underrated and still incredibly HOT 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
She was treating her MPs like they were her kids. She should’ve went A few years before she did
They stabbed her in the back! Evil. She made them and this was how they thanked her.
She did that to her self, she's a heartless hag with no regards for the poor
She lived by the sword and she died by it. She can hardly complain about those around her finally standing up to her and years of her bullying and cajoling them. She got a taste of her own medicine and she left Downing Street in tears. I can only imagine her reaction years previously had one of her cabinet members had been ''so weak'' like she was at the end.
she was quite a backstabber herself
She isn't a deity. This is how politics is. Wishing it wasn't doesn't make it so.
@@ericcarlson3746 Yep. Heath was stabbed in the back by Thatcher, his own education secretary. Once Major became PM she tried to be a back seat driver.
Looks like the Canadian Parliament (the set) a paltry Parliament.
One has to give credit to Netflix for the amazing caricaturing of so many historical figures in this series. The only exception that comes to mind is George VI, well acted, but not a good caricature.
Geoffrey Howe was quite brave and selfless in this.
He was an EU puppet without a spine; one look at the list of directorates he was appointed to in retirement tells you just how selfless he was not.
@@jackpearson5285 Not necessarily. He could have sincerely believed in the European project, and he could have been hired on because his expertise was valued.
@@aperson22222 He COULD have... but we all know he wasn't.
@@AdamBirty Perhaps not, but he still did the right thing here.
@@aperson22222 he did the wrong thing as subsequent events have shown, he went native and blindly supported the EU
Absolutely hated this portrayal of Margaret thatcher. It’s too cartoonish and a character of itself. The constant stroke like facial reactions. I honestly get how anyone thinks this is good.
Meryl Streep gave a master class in how to do Thatcher.
Im a MT aficionado, but it seemed at the time he was betraying his leadership. They portrayed here as different interpretations of political courses , and perhaps that’s what happened.
Howe is still a coward and a backstabber....... Maggie is still right......
She was a reptile. Hopefully the devil is sodomizing her and Reagan at this very moment.
and sadly after the iron lady left - the little male puppies who followed and the rest of the parliament are but of no dignity and integrity that brought the UK further deep. all talk and no action.
Rest In peace, Lady Thatcher!!!❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇺🇸
Tories were tearing them self to pieces back then as they are now,little wonder the people who used to support them have lost all faith in them as a party capable of leading the nation,i fear they are now consigned to opposition with no hope of ever governing again.
took a welshman to knock her out 🏴🏴🏴
😢😢😢
And so the witch was kicked out.
How is she a witch.
The house speaker doesnt wear a wig haha
Watch the actual footage of the speech and you'll see that he did.
Doesn't any more...
Man, Gillian Anderson makes me want to lock my fridge to keep her from my milk boxes.
I felt bad for her
And now.............
God bless you Mrs Thatcher 🇬🇧
She's rotting in hell for all she's done. Thatcher brought about her downfall with her failed policies and arrogant attitude. good riddance to the Wicked Witch of Britain.
@@Afroman29well they won’t be making any films about our present day politicians that’s for sure
And She was damn right , Britain is outta EU . I'm an indian and She is my political idol alongside Indira Gandhi .
What are you getting at?
Yeah, I mean they were right that our current trajectory would take us out of Europe, a place where we ironically got what we wanted on big issues like originally not having that whole pesky social chapter on workers rights, but whether that was the right thing to do ? No
I heard the speech and I "rejoiced". The whole country knew she was on the way out after that.
NEOWW, NEOWW, NEOWW!!
Sheep bite !!
Savaged by sheeps.......so said denis healey. The old labour bruiser
Howe was a little man who was bitter about the 1975 leadership contest even though he had bungled the 1974 general election and was unable to bring the unions under control, which was Thatcher's greatest achievement. A snob and a lightweight, he brief premiership will be cast into the oblivion of history.
Howe was never the PM. And Howe was directly involved in much of what Thatcher would cite as her greatest achievements (as she acknowledges in her memoirs even after the way it all ended). He actually took more punishment - not just from Thatcher, but much of it was - than most people could handle before finally deciding enough was enough. He knew he was ending his own career, too, by the way.
Howe was a weak man.
Actually, the irony here is that he is leaving his ''weakness' behind and gained the strength to be his own man after years of been bullied and browbeaten by Thatcher. You can disagree with what he is saying but he is certainly not being weak here.
Agree, very weak. Playing to the chatter
Geoffrey Howe's resignation speech back in 1990 did this country a great disservice and led the Conservative party to dismiss one of the Greatest Prime Minister's of the 20th century! Margaret Thatcher was a conviction politician and towering figure our Iron lady! lady Thatcher's greatly and very much sadly missed we could do with her now in a troubled challenging world!! 😔
The country did fine out of this. Major's government gave us a far more sustainable economy than Thatcher ever managed, and we all benefited from the Tories rendering themselves unelectable for over a decade.
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No!No! Then for her party Go! Go and she went......thank god.
Back stabber Howe..
That’s an awful House of Commons set.
Terrible, nothing like the actual speech
But Gillian's acting was so on point
@@tapirtechnology3789 sure
@@eliwhaley4804 Well it was...
@@tapirtechnology3789 no I agree
@@eliwhaley4804 Okay thanks
First nail in the coffin for Maggie
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Howe's mad.
Casting Gilian Anderson as Margaret Thatcher has got to be one of the worst casting decisions ever. Anderson plays a Thatcher who appears like a weak sparrow that could blow over in a slight wind.
Thatcher was correct 100 percent where the EU would lead.
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She deserved it completely.
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She was right about Europe. He was wrong.
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She knew she was finished judging by her facial expressions at the end. Adios Wicked Witch!!
She was not a wicked witch nor was she a bad prime minister.
@@kordellswoffer1520 she was both and a lot more. She was hardly a good PM, but she was good at being divisive.
@@Afroman29 she was a good pm and no one has given a good reason otherwise so I'll wait for you you do it. How is she wicked saying she is isn't an argument nor is it substitute for one either. So tell me why she was wicked and a bad pm and a lot more of something.
@@kordellswoffer1520 It can be objectively argued that she oversaw the vast decline of industry in a lot of the country outside the South East. The financial services in London isn't really a true economy in terms of everyone having a solid job. The miners didn't do anything wrong. She just destroyed their industry without any replacement to keep large sections of the industrial North going. In other words, she abandoned much of the country for only a small part to get a big boom.
@@ciaranoconnell4783 I never saw your message but now I have seen it. Decline is vague, seeing as industrial output grew during her years as pm and considering the poor state of Britain industry I don’t blame anyone person for the decline. The coal miners did do something wrong, they basically strong-armed the country into concessions and getting whatever they wanted when they shouldn’t have gotten it. Coal was dying industry in the first place. She closed less mines then her labor counter part and even on a yearly basic by quite the margins. Heavy industries have been leaving Britain for quite sometime but that can be blamed on taxes regulations unions etc. The British economy is still an economy just because it doesn’t revolve around heavy industry doesn’t mean it’s not an economy.
Tosser !
poop
Yes, it looks like she is taking one and is about to cry at the same time. The saddest poop ever
@@Jon.A.Scholt Margret Poopther
And in the end she prevailed! Brexit forever! Undefeated!
The "defeat" is shown and lived everyday. Great Britain is not so "great" anymore. In fact it is a mess. Almost a laughingstock. The jury is still out as to how Brexit will play out. But the chaos at the beginning is very damaging to the image and the economy of the U.K.
@Son 0f Jack Oh so it's only cause Boris in the end didn't want to leave, if we had Douglas Caswell, John Redwood doing it or good ol' Nigel, Brexit would be brilliant and we'd all run round laughing and singing in our wonderful utopia free from EU red tape, correct?
Her decisions also prevailed in creating an underdeveloped North, dismal public services with the NHS so fragmented it needs jobs to tie jobs together and a loosly regulated financial system perfect for hiding Russian money and creating a global recession in 2008 (granted along with its American big brother)
@Son 0f Jack Brexit however you slice it is not a good economic decision for the country, economically: we said yar boo sucks to a market we have spent 40 years integrating and building with and politically our closest allies were told that we think their awful and that were gonna tie ourselves to the sinking ship known as America (sorry to any Americans), the only thing it would be successful on is limiting EU migration but that just means that we start offering visas to more people further afield, I don't know if I've made any difference to you but Brexit was either way a regression, (sorry if I came off as rather aggressive in the first bit)
Traitorous bastard!! Lady Thatcher, Rest In Peace, you shall always be my beloved prime minister in my heart!!!❤️❤️❤️🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
She's baking in hell right now.
@@deancj1 where she belongs
What a terrible rendition and butchering of one of history's great speeches.
Judas!
Howe-ard!
She is probably the last "Legendary" British Prime Minister to date.
Who comes close to her in prestige? Maybe Tony Blair? But that's the guy who got Britain involved in 2 disastrous wars. At least Thatcher overwhelmingly won her war. (And it wasn't an illegal nor an illegitimate war either).
She's the only PM with an epithet in recent memory. After her we got the short reined John Major. Tony Blair. Another short term with Gordon Brown. A coalition leader in David Cameron for 5 years. Then short stints with Theresa May and Boris Johnson. Now Liz Truss, the conwoman.
Falklands was most definitely an illegal war.
We have to temper the Falklands thing with the reality that her government's negligence directly caused that war. She ignored all warnings to the contrary and insisted on withdrawing the HMS Endurance from the South Atlantic. It's only the successful outcome that saved her (and with all due respect to our troops, it was a closer run thing than we now remember - several times Argentinian shells and missiles failed to explode on impact and that saved some pretty important ships). Without her negligence (and that of her Foreign Secretary) the Argentinians would never have invaded in the first place. If you need a souce for that, I suggest you read the Franks Report. Written by a former mandarin who worked really hard not to apportion blame, but the story is pretty clear nonetheless.
Also worth noting that the economic recovery managed by Major and Clarke turned into one of the longest periods of prosperity we've had. Thatcher left office with inflation and other economic indicators pretty much back to where they were when she entered Downing Street, Major and Clarke handed over a strong economy that thrived for another decade. I'm not one of those who would argue that Thatcher was evil, or that everything she did was bad, but her record is - at best - mixed.
Don’t watch this crap. Watch the original.