Judging from the error message, at the end of any enemy attack, the SOUL is meant to have an animation in where it flies back to Kris. Thrash Machine is just Kris, after all. Since they can't be found in the fight, the game cannot make the event in where the SOUL returns.
I think the reason the spells don't seem to do any damage is because they're affecting Giga Queen's "internal" HP value rather than the "actual" HP value the fight uses; the debug keys have specific exceptions for Giga Queen, so it seems like they use a different system entirely for determining health that spells just aren't coded to interact with
I guess that would also disappointingly confirm that snowgrave really just behaves like iceshock as a casual spell: it just inflicts high damage to a target rather than actually, say, specifically their hp value, or just setting the target's hp to 0. Although even if it did it wouldn't matter much anyway since it's only really used to trigger a mid-battle cutscene.
you can confirm this by hacking Noelle into the Spamton NEO fight as well; she does over 1000 damage a hit with Snowgrave but that's only like ⅓ of his HP
3:50 Because Hit-Boxes are usually a bit smaller then their sprites. The Help guy in the Party Dojo tells you this, advising you to learn the size of each bullet in the game, for a better advantage.
-Checkmate. -But it’s a queen… You can’t checkmate a Queen! -Checkmate. -Kris…? -I said Checkmate. -Fine. You want to see me doing an illegal move? Checkmate 0-1 White is Victorious
The game is coded to have a max of 3 people in your party while in battle, so, to make it possible to have 4 people, you would have to change the game's codes and develop a new feature that allows 4 characters. It would be too much work for something useless.
I LIKE HOW [Considerate] [[GIGA Queen]] IS EVEN WHEN TRYING TO [Roll your credits], TELLING YOU HOW TO [Control a giant robot] (BUT THEN ALSO [Skip]S YOUR TURN SO IDK)
Susie: **USES RUDE BUSTER** The spell:Aight imma get mcdonalds,KFC,Burger king,A few dark dollars,The whole deltarune lore and i'll go back and try to attack Giga Queen
Noelle is clearly extremely powerful when it comes to controlling a battle robot with her extremely high damage rate…wait you thought I meant snowgrave?
@@shawermus That is the most likely explanation, given how during the ATTACKING phase, it's still Kris's head that appears instead of the Trashing Machine's.
Also i wanted tell only there are DIFIRENCES in the nintedo switch edition of the game (in chapter 2) i can EVEN do a picture of me playing the game on the switch
@@chaostheultimayt The game just converts Kris into thrash machine when you are in the queen fight trash machine isn't a different character and thus cannot (simply) be hacked into battle. I don't doubt this would be possible with more in depth modding however
This is interesting, the interaction with rude buster and snowgrave. This reveals that there is infact a second giga queen enemy that you can't target, because that large sprite flash is her head from the cutscene, given how it can take damage, i wonder how much hp it has. Because if it had N/a hp it would die instantly and crash the game (i think). Can you increase rude buster's attack power to massive levels and see if you can kill it?
@@randomcatdude thats kinda lame. Question: what happens if you try to entre a battle with a 4 character party? Does the game just crash and takes your computer with it?
@@augustomoreira7441 there literally ISN'T a way to get more than 3 party members without modifying the game's code. of course, that process would involve alot of crashing, that i'm guessing would be mostly due to out-of-bounds array accesses
Your videos remind me of watching people trying to break the sims 2 or skyrim... oh I love when people either release broken trash you can break forever or simply games you can mess with like this, watching people exploiting or triggering bugs is my favourite thing to watch
![Blox Fruits Dragon Rework Update [Full Stream]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/EqDAp8udhm0/mqdefault.jpg)
Susie: **uses Rude Buster**
The spell: **casually travels across the entire Cyber World**
How rude of Susie.
@@dropfish3109 its like it means to buster
The people watching the spells fly over: *Make a wish, honey*
susie's there, it just hit the queen so hard it came for a second hit
Susie: Hollow Purple I mean rude buster
Judging from the error message, at the end of any enemy attack, the SOUL is meant to have an animation in where it flies back to Kris. Thrash Machine is just Kris, after all. Since they can't be found in the fight, the game cannot make the event in where the SOUL returns.
honestly with how the giga queen fight works with no party members it seems like a really fun challenge actually
its just punch out basically
The closest thing you can do is just spam SPARE
@@ghengiroo4143 you can also fight to give extra damage tho
Once you get to the missile part though, the game will crash.
@@invenotrainworld then thats just the normal fight
I like how she survives SnowGrave.
well look at the animation, noelle completely missed
Noelle you have failed
69 nice
I mean, she's a computer, after all
@@augustomoreira7441 (smart)
3:07 Seeing that sillouette after susie's rude buster makes me think that at some point you would fight the mecha queen instead of just a cutscene.
I think the reason the spells don't seem to do any damage is because they're affecting Giga Queen's "internal" HP value rather than the "actual" HP value the fight uses; the debug keys have specific exceptions for Giga Queen, so it seems like they use a different system entirely for determining health that spells just aren't coded to interact with
I guess that would also disappointingly confirm that snowgrave really just behaves like iceshock as a casual spell: it just inflicts high damage to a target rather than actually, say, specifically their hp value, or just setting the target's hp to 0. Although even if it did it wouldn't matter much anyway since it's only really used to trigger a mid-battle cutscene.
you can confirm this by hacking Noelle into the Spamton NEO fight as well; she does over 1000 damage a hit with Snowgrave but that's only like ⅓ of his HP
@@samario7935 you actually need to snowgrave him 5 times
LMAOOO TEA BAGGING QUEEN
More like V bagging
i read "tea banging queen"
Anyway if anyone wondering about timestamp here 00:59
@@TheRealBatabii nah she is, because our pov is in the tahrs machine
I know right
I think the outline at 3:10 is the sprite of Giga Queen you see in the cutscene before the fight.
3:09
Susie: "Don't worry guys, I'll help you"
**uses rude buster from the mansion all the way to the city**
*0 damage*
The one werewire i forgot to fight:
*bonk*
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
3:50 Because Hit-Boxes are usually a bit smaller then their sprites. The Help guy in the Party Dojo tells you this, advising you to learn the size of each bullet in the game, for a better advantage.
No turn giga queen is just hardmode
No turn Giga Queen is just normal punch-out with extra dialogue breaks
@@trueorfalsey Yep
Or a beatdown
-Checkmate.
-But it’s a queen… You can’t checkmate a Queen!
-Checkmate.
-Kris…?
-I said Checkmate.
-Fine. You want to see me doing an illegal move?
Checkmate
0-1
White is Victorious
Deltachess chapter 2
The checkmate run.
Well now I want to see what happens if you add Thrash to a normal battle
We can't sadly.
@@1UPPancake damn
the trash machine character is literally just kris but with a different face sprite
MMM YES WEREWIRE VS. GIGANTIC FREAKING ROBOT
Can you have Kris, Ralsei, Susie and Noelle in the same battle in some way?
Becaus it smells like it was planned but wasn't implemented...
Nope.
maybe in future chapters
There is like 3 slots that you can change.
And you can't add another one
If it was that way, ralsie would kick, Susie would punch, and kris would do a head based ability depending on what head you used in chapter 1
The game is coded to have a max of 3 people in your party while in battle, so, to make it possible to have 4 people, you would have to change the game's codes and develop a new feature that allows 4 characters. It would be too much work for something useless.
fight with no party members is LITERALLY just punchout
i approve
3:10 LOL I THOUGHT IT CRASHED
Same
@@shawermus Ультра Шаурма, what is ur wisdom?
Same
Didn’t self fix activate because the last kris has a menu so that one would only work or something
As a Halo player I don't think I've ever felt so defeated and amused by an NPC ever
3 kris' is just like discord.
so basically you get hard mode with no party members
2:14 at this point i was just worried looking to noelles hp
Noelle cant die to the thorn ring
*Noelle cast SNOWGRAVE*
Giga Queen: You Missed LMAO
"* Noelle cast SNOWGRAVE!"
"you missed idiot"
I LIKE HOW [Considerate] [[GIGA Queen]] IS EVEN WHEN TRYING TO [Roll your credits], TELLING YOU HOW TO [Control a giant robot] (BUT THEN ALSO [Skip]S YOUR TURN SO IDK)
I didn't know Queen had dialogue for if you forgot how to control a giant robot.
Yeah she actually has a some of dialogue if you don't Dodge or punch, and I think It even changes in the switch version.
what happens if you defeat Giga Queen before her final attack?
She gets stuck at 1HP.
ruclips.net/video/-XuJfyBjBtI/видео.html
1:45 why does Noelle's HP deplete like that?
The Thorn ring reduces her hp to 55 constantly over time.
Thorn Ring
Sylveon pfp
@@j.hawkins8779 umbreon pfp
@@DonDonPachi yee
0:50 now it's basically Super punch Out
The no act or items giga fight would be so cool as the normal
Of course she teabags
Susie: **USES RUDE BUSTER**
The spell:Aight imma get mcdonalds,KFC,Burger king,A few dark dollars,The whole deltarune lore and i'll go back and try to attack Giga Queen
You should make a vid on how to change the party members
Noelle is clearly extremely powerful when it comes to controlling a battle robot with her extremely high damage rate…wait you thought I meant snowgrave?
its just normal punchout without party members
Kris: I'm just here with me myself and i
0:49 we only playing Punch Out now
noelle on with teammates but no thrash machine on first fight: _uh oh my health is goodbye’ing_
on giga queen fight,i gone in without party members and there was still the menu
Can you do it the other way around and put the thrash machine in a normal fight, or does it just automically get replaced with Kris?
Kris is the Trash Machine. We can not get it in a normal fight.
@@1UPPancake I think game automatically changes kris moveset and name with sprite when you are in queen battle
@@shawermus That is the most likely explanation, given how during the ATTACKING phase, it's still Kris's head that appears instead of the Trashing Machine's.
0:14 this is just punch out
now this is just actual punch out
Everyone is just a thrasher machine with a human as a base instead of berdly statue
Ok but defeating Giga Queen with only counter punches would make a really cool dojo challenge
ngl I’d love to play the Giga Queen fight like this
Also i wanted tell only there are DIFIRENCES in the nintedo switch edition of the game (in chapter 2) i can EVEN do a picture of me playing the game on the switch
for proof
is no one gonna talk about how they did a perfect yellow hit the first time they fought in giga queen WITHOUT A FUCKING BAR
3:51 You avoided that because if the hitboxes were as big as the designs of the attacks, most of the boss fights would be unfair, espacialy Jevil
Could thrash machine be a regular party member
Nope
Question: How does one get into the Encounter Room?
I never knew she had a smaller ball attack!
use snow grave on cart berdly or spamton neo in basment, or normal spamton they all seem like they could break the game or just do nothing
What happens if you have Thrash machine in other battles, or extra overworld enemies in the Giga Queen fight?
Thrash machine = Kris
how do you go to the encounter room
How do i enter encounter room
ruclips.net/video/U3w8na_2hiI/видео.html This video should help.
@@1UPPancake thank :D
what happens if noelle does snowgrave on normal spamton?
New challenge: beat Giga Queen without your turn and you cant see your hp and you have random hp
Try hacking Thrash into other fights! I want to see what happens if you try to bring thrash into the Berdly fight for example
Thrash = Kris
Well yes... but also no. Yes thrash is technically kris thrash is a separate character with different stats and hp.
@@chaostheultimayt The game just converts Kris into thrash machine when you are in the queen fight trash machine isn't a different character and thus cannot (simply) be hacked into battle. I don't doubt this would be possible with more in depth modding however
how did you even do this-
Hacking save files.
@@Panc2alt that must be mad hard
Its not that hard, we just change a few numbers around.
@@1UPPancake ...we? also where can we access the save file data?
@@LPOYT879 C:\Users\(Your Username)\AppData\Local\Deltarune
wish i could past this level but it's just so hard :(( also i didn't know you could triple hit thanks
How enter in the encounter room?
This is interesting, the interaction with rude buster and snowgrave. This reveals that there is infact a second giga queen enemy that you can't target, because that large sprite flash is her head from the cutscene, given how it can take damage, i wonder how much hp it has. Because if it had N/a hp it would die instantly and crash the game (i think). Can you increase rude buster's attack power to massive levels and see if you can kill it?
Sure
ruclips.net/video/7BaE4lWgy8Y/видео.html Here it is.
uhh how do you get into encounter room tho
ruclips.net/video/U3w8na_2hiI/видео.html
thanks for answering my question
which number do i set the party member number thing to in appdata to make it the thrash machine
You can not get thrash machine in other encounters.
@@1UPPancake ah, makes sense
so does it just automatically happen when i select giga queen in the encounter room then?
Thrash = Kris
@@1UPPancake oh i see, thanks :D
3:59
She fricking missed
She fricking missed what the frick
Snowgrave still a insta kill tho
Susie: rude blaster or rude i forgot name
Video: stop
Me: it crasheddd?????
What happen if the Thrash machine is into a normal fight? (like vs berdly etc)
You can't, Thrash = Kris.
@@1UPPancake oh, thank, i didn't knew it was kris,
What happens when you have a thrash in normal batlle
Thrash = Kris.
How to get to this room?
no I'm pretty sure if i win the two rounds it ends cause i won those two rounds.as in a fighting game way.
How do i get the encounter room
Hack your save file to bring you to room 12.
can you add thrash to the party in a normal fight?
No, Thrash = Kris
I haven’t played deltarune chapter 2 yet and I’m wondering why noell takes damage without being hit. you
I Wonder If You Can Get The Thrash Machine Outside The Giga Queen Fight
Can't
Oof
Can you hack the game to have all 5
(Kris, susie, ralsei, noelle and trash machine) in the same battle?
Nope, sorry
@@1UPPancake alright, but how many characters you can use in a single fight?
@@augustomoreira7441 the party member system in battles, and everywhere else is limited to 3
@@randomcatdude thats kinda lame.
Question: what happens if you try to entre a battle with a 4 character party? Does the game just crash and takes your computer with it?
@@augustomoreira7441 there literally ISN'T a way to get more than 3 party members without modifying the game's code. of course, that process would involve alot of crashing, that i'm guessing would be mostly due to out-of-bounds array accesses
How do you get here exactly? Another question is can you get this room on console or no?
I hacked my save file, and I don't know how to get it on console.
@@1UPPancake how do you do that since im kind of a noob at this
2:56 my cps when im drunk
how do you change trash's stats?
Just change Kris's.
Whats that encounter thing you use?
I hacked my save file.
How do I use the encounter room?
You need to hack the gaem
can you use the machine in normal fights?
no
Can you replace giga queen?
can you hack noelle into chapter 1
nope
What is this encounter room in the intro? Is it hacked or it is in the game?
it's a room in the game, that can apparently be accessed via editing the room number in your savefile.
Room # 12 more info on how to get there here: ruclips.net/video/U3w8na_2hiI/видео.html
Can you win the no party members version?
Most likely, as long as there are no soul attacks.
@@toomanycharacter The game will Crash if Kris is not in the Party when a soul attack is used.
Please how did you hack ch 2
We edit the save files.
@@1UPPancake ah ok thank you
thats why you shouldnt hack gamemaker games, kids.
also try having THRASH in a normal fight That would be funny i think
That is not possible.
Your videos remind me of watching people trying to break the sims 2 or skyrim... oh I love when people either release broken trash you can break forever or simply games you can mess with like this, watching people exploiting or triggering bugs is my favourite thing to watch
But... what about Queen's HP when you do snowgrave? You cut away before we could see if it actually does chunk her 1700 damage...
It did not change, the spells do nothing.
@@1UPPancake ok lol
No wonder it didn’t do anything. It missed.
try using the thrash machine in a normal battle
Thrash Machine = Kris
@@1UPPancake oh okay
0:10 1:02 2:56
Why did you put noelle in? She wasn’t even involved in that.
What do you mean?
Deltarune Hate Chapter 2 *WHEN?*
Use snowgrave on the queen
ruclips.net/video/Vssxd82wtus/видео.html
why do i find gigs queen hot
Bro when you froze the video I thought it crashed the game 💀
hack thrash into a normal battle
We can't.
9999 damage try it