QD-OLED Burn-In | Should You Worry?
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- Опубликовано: 18 июн 2024
- QD-OLED burn-in has become a concern for many who may be considering a new QD-OLED TV. But should QD-OLED burn-in potential really be cause for alarm? In part 2. of our OLED screen burn-in video series, we talk about why this new OLED TV technology is susceptible to burn-in, how to avoid it, and whether you should really be worried about QD-OLED burn-in when decided whether to buy a QD-OLED TV like the Samsung S95C, Samsung S90C, or Sony A95L.
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00:00 Intro
01:23 Reasonable Use & Expectations
04:17 QD-OLED Display Tech
04:59 Rtings.com Burn-In Test
06:10 Accelerated Testing
08:42 Average Use
10:20 Final Thoughts
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Hey everyone! A very important notice:
I am chatting with Rtings about several things right now.
1. RE:a comment Rtings made on this video, which appears to have been deleted over the weekend of May 13-14. I did not delete the comment, nor did anyone else at DT, as far as I’m aware. I’ll continue to look into it, but near as I can tell, the comment has not been held for review, nor did it violate RUclips’s community guidelines. I am bothered by this a great deal and hope to get to the bottom of it. There’s nothing I can do to bring back the replies to the comment and discussion under the comment itself, but I’ve invited Rtings to repost their comment as a reply to this pinned comment - it’s the best I can do to help the situation, at least in the short term.
2: I am in active talks with Rtings and we’ll be discussing topics such as wear/time/non-linearity, etc. I am reaching out again to product engineers at Samsung, Sony, and LG to get their input. Along those lines …
3: There will be a follow-up to this video which incorporates takeaways from chats with Rtings, LG, Samsung, and Sony. I will also address concerns and clarify my stance on a few perspectives, as several comments make it clear some points in my video were very obviously not understood. I’ll try to rectify that.
9Hrs per day is very nominal usage. All the people I know use their TVs for more than 9hrs a day. Yes they switch between channels and watch different stuff. But 9hrs per day is very minimal. OLED and QD-OLED should easily keep up with that. See TV is not what only one person watches. Multiple people living in the house watch at different times through out the day. So the TV remains on all the time as some one or the other is watching it. Like Parents be watching news and stuff. Then brother or sister be watching some movies or some geeky stuff. Then we watch Sports. The TV remains on for good 12hrs straight. So you tell me why should that not be considered normal usage. Before you say that people should purchase multiple TVs. Nah man there is not enough space or means to hold multiple TVs in a 3bed-room apartments or houses as that would get really cramped easily. So all that should not be a turn down for customers from purchasing an OLED.
I use my tv for camera, gaming, and movies it's running at least from 9am to 11pm
@@trishagarmon6794is your tv oled/Qd oled ?
@@KING_DRANZERYes bro u nailed it👌 This is the Exact Scenario of Every TV users worldwide and There has to be standard Set For this QD-OLED With This Burn in issues
@@vijaykumarvc66 Yes.
9 hours of use on a weekend is reasonable. 5 hours of actual viewing on the weekend + 4 hours while asleep on the couch is possible
no, no you are doing it wrong. in order to save the planet you should limit yourself to watch or play on your tevee for just one 1hr. the corporations and the planet demand this 😂😂😂😂
Watch different stuff. Don't do stuff with static images
Someone uses 9 hours of tv a day???? And often? Damn you need your tv to break so you get some sunlight and exercise. Burn in will be the least of your problems
Also it’s not a problem if you fall asleep once or twice but if you do it every day or every other day for 9 hours wirh cnn on at max brichtness yea it is. Don’t get an oled
@@cestseb he said on a weekend not per day, also a lot of works are physically demanding and leave you exhausted for when you're resting
For gamers in particular, an 8 to 12 hour session with a game on a day off and/or when a hotly anticipated new release comes out is not uncommon. That's likely where a lot of the 8+ hour usages comes from. The kicker being that gaming is one of the content consumption forms that is at highest risk of burn in anyway. I still don't foresee it being an issue, the internet is flooded with people that have been abusing the heck out of their LG C1 and LG C2 for 10,000 hours and have no burn in issues to report.
Lol "the internet" right. A truly verifiable form of testing and truth lmao.
I own a 48 C1 that I use as a PC monitor, and despite the frequent appearances of the windows task bar and the outline of my browsers, I see 0 signs of burn in whatsoever after a year and a half. And I use my monitor pretty extensively on my days off work, definitely over 8 hours a day. But I also make sure to have a pitch black lock screen for when I walk away, and turn it off when I leave the house or go to bed so I do little things like that to take care of it.
LG's WOLEDs are significantly less prone to burn in, and on top of that, LG's pixel refresher and compensation routines seem to work better as well. I wouldn't worry about burn in on LG displays, but I would on QD-OLEDs that have been proven to show much more severe degradation to uniformity.
@@c0r3k1d3 Same. But burn in quickly.
Qd OLEDs burn in faster than woled when displaying white
I'm so very sorry if you spend over 2 hours a day watching CNN or Fox News (or MSNBC). That sounds like absolute agony.
probably why we are in a mess to begin with 😂
It would be agony for those that are conscious. Or not mindless.
I have the best advise. If you worry about burn-in don't get an OLED, peace of mind with a nice mini-led.
Best advice for sure.
@@chrisMengland i mean you have problems with every type of TV, you run your TVs hard backlight a LED failure is common, i just had my old tv QLED backlight fail. These tvs are made to fail after 3-5 years so you can buy another model.
@@robl3571 We're not talking about the backlight failing were talking about screen burn in.
@@chrisMenglandalso backlight can be fixed
burning can't
All due respect, I do think you underestimate how much the average person uses their main TV. 42" LG C2 OLEDs also seem to be pretty popular to use as high-end computer monitors nowadays and the amount of hours clocked on those is going to be astronomical.
On a related note, a relative was visiting recently and they watched shows from different networks on HULU. All of them had the network logo in the bottom corner throughout the entirety of the commercial-less episodes. Even outside of sports and the news, lots of programming has static logos. My typical use case for my 65" C2 OLED is moderate gaming sessions (2-4 hours at a clip, maybe 3 times per week, not always with the same UI) and movie watching. I feel like as long as I'm conscious about not abusing the panel by leaving static logos or UI elements on screen for hours and hours repeatedly, I should be fine. Still loving the C2 OLED.
Thanks for all you do and for weighing in on such a sensitive issue among OLED owners.
9 hours is super reasonable considering a lot of people leave their tvs on for their pets for example as they go to work, weekend watching and the occasional forgetting to turn off before heading to work
I mean gamers often play 6 hours or so. My parents turn the tv on in the morning and don't turn it off until they leave the house or at bedtime.
There are those of us out there using our TV primarily as a computer monitor and having the screen on for 8-9 (or more) hours per day is in no way unusual. I killed my 2019 LG C2 (my first OLED TV) by allowing my taskbar to stay unhidden, generally and by leaving the screen on during one specific 7-hour download session. In (meager) defense, I'll say - I simply didn't know about the possibility of burn-in that first time. I gave in, winter of '22 and replaced it with a 77" LG G2 and now I'm fanatical about taskbars, banners and downloads. I try and turn the screen off when possible and run a very very varied Slideshow - timed to change every 1 minute - as desktop background. So far, so good.
100%! i was thinking the same thing
@@xpertexpert Very good points. I have just ordered an LG Oled and I have decided not to use it as a computer monitor for the risk of burn-in. I know myself well enough so I am definitely in the risk zone :)
Instead, I will use it as a regular TV for TV/movies/RUclips. I have a pretty good setup with 2 x 32" 4k Samsung LCD at my computer and that is plenty good enough for workspace and gaming.
In some years it will be displays that do what we need at amazing quality. It does not seem microled will be affordable this decade, but something else will surely be nearly as good.
I only just found out about burn out... My sleeping schedule is really bad so I often use the monitor for 20h straight....
Hello Caleb, thanks for another great video. But I've gotta say that nine hours straight on occasion is not unreasonable. Lots of people do that on football Saturdays and Sundays, and I know of folks who keep the TV on all day -- sometimes on news stations -- for the noise.
Yep. 12hrs a day is average for me. For viewing, background noise for my dog when I’m out, etc. 9 hrs is very common if not below average.
Exactly. Advocating for tests that aren't as rigorous because only a QUARTER of consumers watch that much really just feels like a paid PR video from a manufacturer of OLED panels.
As long as the test is the same for all TVs, the results will show which TVs are more prone to burn in problems, even if the test doesn't totally match real world usage. In my view the tests will be valuable to show the relative risks of the technologies used.
9 hours per day is perfectly normal. I turn my TV on at 10am and turn it off after midnight. Anyone that is retired, or have kids or a significant other at home all day, is going to run the TV all day
It's not just "use" in general. It is use with static images. As Caleb rightfully points out, the worst offenders are news and sports tickers. So if you watch your news channel 8-9 hours per day, every day, that is risky for an OLED. If you watch streamers like Netflix, Amazon Prime, AppleTV, or Disney+ for even 12 hours a day, I think you would not experience any issues as, unlike network TV, they don't even use station IDs/logos in the corner, so the content will have different pixels lighting up almost every other frame.
I work from Home and have it running...like this video lol and mute when needed. i have a CX, 2 years strong.
Same
My B9 is on at least 12 hours straight through the week
@@yadspi I did the same thing when I was working from home during the pandemic. That was with my old TV though.
@@Balie78 Exactly, and at the point where 90% of your consumption isn't even HDR or cinematic in nature, there is 0 reason to not get a mini-led if you are still concerned about HDR presentation.
I would also think most rooms where the above situation is the case, will be quite Bright, whether from sunlight or interior lighting, giving an even larger case for a mini-led
9 hours is definitely reasonable. My job has 60” LED LCD screens displaying data 24 hours a day. Some of these screens has been running for 10 years or more straight. ZERO burnin issues and screen brightness is identical.
@Bzake for $3000+. They better supply the buyers a 10 year warranty on these sets.
Indeed. That scenario is perfectly fine for a LED LCD screen, but somehow they expect us to consider it an unreasonable use scenario for a QD-OLED, which is also way more expensive? No thanks, you can keep your QD-OLEDs and I'll keep my LED TV.
@@Rhadoo89I love my OLED but it’s only lasted 4 years. QD OLED is out of the question. I’m not getting a super expensive TV I can’t watch more than a couple hours a day.
@@oneaburns I am swapping out my AW3423DW, I absolutely love it and its easily the best panel I have ever used and will be better than its replacement. Thing is, I am someone who is fortunate enough to play games all day even at my age of 25, and the games I play now are far more HUD heavy than my past games. I still use all the safety measures ( So every 4hrs I use the refresh ) but I would rather not have to worry about getting burn in and having to go through yet another warranty process. I think mini led is what I will get to replace it seeing as its around the same price point.
You do know nobody was talking about led lcds right?🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
9hrs of continuous use is possible in my household. Some wet weekend and some days during the school holiday for example. My youngest could be watch his programmes from 6am, switching to gaming in the mid morning. My eldest could then take over the tv from anytime after lunch and my wife could watch a programme or 2 in the late afternoon. So it happens. We’ve had an LGC8 for about 5 years with no burn in issues but we did have a stuck pixel which meant a panels replacement after the fist year. We also vary the content. We now have a G2 so hoping for similar trouble free viewing.
I don’t own a QD OLED - so I’m not weighing in on that but I do want to weigh in on hours of use. I’m retired and my TV is on 7 days a week from 6:30am almost continuously until 9pm. I use my tv as background noise like many people have their radio or streaming music source on all day. So 9 hours of use seems reasonable to me for many people. I also note I have 4K Hisense QD ULed Tv that pops up a screen saver after a minute on pause and later “go to sleep” if I don’t go back to live programming and I don’t watch much live news weather or sports or game where there are one or more static elements. But I can see how people who do watch this type of programming and/or enjoy gaming could have their TV’s on for 9 hours a day much of it with static elements potentially causing burn in. A lot of young, middle aged and elderly folks live alone and their TV is on a lot - filling the void.
I owned Sony’s 2020 flagship OLED and had burn in issues after less than a year of light use and general babying. Of all things, the Disney+ UI caused it. I sold it and a bought a Samsung Neo QLED. I got tired of constantly worrying about pixel wear.
How's the Samsung so far?
Were you leaving the Disney + UI idle for extensive periods without any auto dimming in effect? If so, that isn't "light use".
I've had the Samsung S95B for a little over a year now. I've used it heavily for gaming streaming etc for long hours. Gladly no issues at all. I've only ran pixel refresh one time.
Since we are nearing the second quarter of the 21st century I think it’s time for a TV technology that will allow us to use our TVs as we see fit… no burn in, retention, no crap like that. Give us 55-75 inch microled and bury all the rest.
I’m glad I watched these videos. It’s clear burn in is a factor making oled tv owners have to tip- toe with using their TVs. I ended up buying a Neo QLED TV because oled was too dark. Couldn’t see what’s going on in dark scenes. Knowing burn-in is a concern makes me happier with my choice. Thank you!
I've been debating getting a new TV for my mother in the living room, which she gets home from work around 2:30 PM and goes to bed around 7:30 PM. She'd likely use it pretty consistently between then. Is that fine or should I go LCD even for that fraction of the day use?
Hi Caleb! I really enjoy your videos. I know that this is a very sensitive topic for many people, and your measured criticism reflects this. I agree with all of your cautionary advice for Oled users.
One thing that I've always found to be true about TV manufacturers...If you want to know the truth about a TV, just wait a year. The manufacturer will spill the beans about the old model when promoting how much better the new one is! The following quote is from Samsung regarding the increased durability of the new 2023 models:
"Our 2023 model is built to last. It’s now twice as durable as our award-winning QD-OLED displays from last year. "
Read into this what you will. But it says to me that Samsung knows that the 2022 QD-OLED TVs have durability issues directly relating to the burn-in problem reported by many. I guess the 2022 wasn't "Built to last" if they list it as an improvement on this year's TV!
I sense that Caleb has spent a bit too much time with the manufacturers and has become overly sympathetic with them. 9 hrs is super common if not under the average.
I just picked up a QD-OLED s90c. I don't play console games to much but some days when I play RDR2 , I will be on for hours. Mainly I watch movies and only a few tv shows,. Hopefully mine will be OK. I do have the extended warranty (All-State) for 5 years
I think 9 hours is reasonable. My wife will turn on the TV on a weekend and play it for the entire day. In that scenario, she'll often pause the television when friends call, or if she goes shopping. In this instance, LED or LCD is what I'll put in the room where she watches most often,
So OLED takes more energy, wears out earlier, suffers from burn in and is generally a lot less bright. still somehow it is better than everything we ever had?
Great 2 videos, I'm seriously thinking about getting the s95b, I generally watch Netflix or whatnot a few hours after work every night and have been thinking about it getting a PS5 which I play lightly so I assume I have no worries if I purchase it but just curious what LCD Samsung is almost just as good for the same $1,300 price range right now? Q80c q 85C Q90C? Or would you suggest something else?
Tv depends on if it’s your primary (living room) TV or a secondary tv. Our (primary) tv is on at least 12 hours a day. Where our secondary tv might get 20 hours a month tops. Our primary tv is used for my wife’s babysitting business, plus for our family’s use.
I just bought a 6 month old LG C2 and it had over 1500 hours on the clock, so that would be approximately 8.5 hours every single day (if my math is correct) for the whole 6 months, and therefore i don't think that 9 hour test on Rtings is that far off.
Haven't noticed any burn in, or anything else wrong with it so far though.
Caleb I am a subscriber and for the most part like your video. However I have done a ton of research into Burn In on OLED TV's. I purchased an LG OLED in 2019, and I got burned. It was a very expensive TV and I bought insurance and neither the Manufacturer nor the insurance help on the subject of burn in. Watching you videos I was leed to believe burn in is a bygoen era problem and new TVs dont have that problem any more. Ah but they do very much still have burn in problems. I was nearly going to purchase a new OLED feeling better about burn in after watching you video. SO I went to Best Buys and it was a slow night so I had alot of time to talk to their rep. The Long and short of the visit, he had two LG Oleds running different sizes. And lo and behold they both had burn in problems One TV was a little older than a year the other was seven months old, they both had burn in and there was no static image rather what can almost be discribed as screen save images. So I cal BS on you and Digital Trends. Tell the people the truth!
Been using my 55 s95b as a oc monitor for hours each day, binge gaming on the weekends the same game and no burn in. Also own a a95k both since launch no issues. Have a lg cx still going strong.
😮😮Does It Causes Soap opera effects while Gaming??and how does A95K deals with Netflix Amazon Prime and other web series 😮😮
Love your coverage of this topic. I have a 5-year old LG OLED which has been deteriorating rapidly over the last year. Now, when a mostly full-screen yellow background is displayed (e.g Liberty Insurance commercial), there is a large oval area center screen that is more green than yellow and the lower right corner the same. Less noticeable under other content. I am retired, so the TV is on more than 8 hours a day and the channels we watch (not cable news) for whatever reason seem to love to display a static program logo or program teaser in the lower right corner. This has caused the lower right corner of the screen to become visibly darker and cloudy. I'd love to try avoiding the static content these channels display but it's impossible to avoid and still watch TV. I feel like 5 years is an awfully short time to see a top-tier expensive TV deteriorate. I do have the TV automatically run its pixel refresher and I even run it manually occasionally. Has it helped? Who knows. No way to measure / assess that. I made the decision to switch to the new Neo QLED in hopes of avoiding the need to replace a TV every 5 years. I may not be as discerning viewer as some videophiles, but in my opinion the Neo QLED is just as clear and has awesome contrast and black levels as the OLED. But then it may be that I'm comparing a NEW QLED to an older, deteriorating OLED, so the comparison may be unfair. Anyway, I'm happy I switched to LCD technology. It really has come a long way in the last few years.
I had the exact same problem can’t sell the tv. Buying mini led lcd from now on. Sure OLED looks great new 5 years they shouldn’t have pixel death.
Great post! Thanks for sharing this info!💯🤘
Mini Led for me. I am happy and never have to worry about the burn in. Honestly, the difference between my mini led and an oled is not big enough to make me wish I had an oled. I Have had Oled phones since they came out and they always get a burn-in. Good work Caleb and Rtings!
Which mini LED so you have?
@@somuchwhat The QN90A
I have just ordered the LG CS 65" TV, and it does not cost more than the mini leds. But mini led seem to be the perfect PC display for now.
@@la7dfa LG's are very nice. Good for you 👍
Hi Caleb. Another great video. I have one question though. What do you think would be the impact of room temperature on the possibility of burn-ins. For example, where I live, in summers the temperature gets as high as 45 Degrees Celsius and the normal temperature indoors remains between 26 and 32 Degrees Celsius.
So, do you think that because of the high temperature the possibility of burn-in increases, and would keeping the temperature lower decrease that possibility ?
Hey Caleb, would you consider making a comparison video of a late high end Panasonic plasma and one of the current high end led tvs? I have a 65' ZT60, I'm planning to upgrade to a larger screen, I know oled is the way to go but I was wondering if you think current crop of leds finally caught up to plasma. Thanks.
I work from home, so I have my TV turned on about 14 hours a day. I chose the Samsung Q90A for this reason, and It looks brand new after 2 years of heavy usage. The picture quality is also extremely close to OLED, and it was half the price of an OLED. I would always recommend a high end LCD TV to all my friends.
Exactly what I think high end LCD is better than low to mid range OLED in my opinion will last alot longer also
Qled is not close to Oled. Neo qled which have smaller led diodes and more dimming zones is.
I was trying to come up with another analogy. Maybe thinking about the "organic" part of OLED in the same way people are. If you apply that to say repettitve stress injuries, doing the same thing over and over for hours a day is going to cause more wear and tear and can create a lasting issue. OLEDs like people need breaks and varying activities to even things out and give those overworked areas a break to recover.
Hey! I am a retired person who has the main tv on for almost 10 hr a day. I don't own a oled but use a Sony 4k tv. FYI only. You do great work. I enjoy your reviews.
Hello Caleb, thinking beyond burn-in, is there any data about picture life cycles? I recall hearing that oled's organic composition does not last as long as led?
My S95B is on 24/7 on my weeks off, and when i'm working for the week it is on from the time i get home till i leave in the morning. After a year of ownership i have clocked 6642 hours on it with no issues at all at this time.
How is your tv now?
So I work from home and my TV is typically on for like 16hrs for back ground noise mostly. However, none of the content I view has static elements. I accept that longevity is going to decrease but I am still curious if this would lead to any kind of burn in
Seems like a waste of energy. Why not use radio instead?
I just got a Evnia 8600 and I mostly use is for work, 6 to 10 hours a day, from Monday to Friday and some games or tv show or general pc ussage in the evening for 4 to 5 hours. Also I intend to get an C2 or even a C3 as a TV for PS5 games and movies/tv shows for my holiday/weekend appartement. The C2 would be used up between 2 and 10 hours a day, once a week, Staturday, and twice a year for around 2 weeks(20 days of PTO) with 5 to 8 hours a day of gaming/movies and tv shows.
Should I be worried that both of them will develop burn in in under 3 years ?
For the Evnia I have setted up a live live wallpaper that is black, gray and white, task bar is disabled, I ran it's pixel refresh every 4 hours of runtime as it wants, I have a completly black screen saver that turn on after 2 minutes of not using it and I turn it off if I don't use it, like when going to sleep, going for a shower or leaving the house.
Our old (12+ year) 50" plasma has been used very hard for a good number of years. It typically comes on about 6-7am and may not go off until 2am. It does suffer from some burn in but it has pixel orbiter and a screen wipe which runs for 15 minutes. I created a slideshow on a USB stick that runs solid RBG and white full screen with varying percentages (I think 4 each). I used a fade out slide show that wipes with small blocks. I can run that as long as I want. That typically does a good job cleaning up the screen.
The point is that the QD-OLED got burn-ins with the acceleration where the LG's OLED did not.
Period.
If burn-in wasn't a problem, then LG wouldn't have to ship TVs with an option to help fix burn-in.
If burn-in wasn't a problem, then LG would cover burn-in under warranty!
Interestingly my 1.5 year old LG A1 reached it's 2nd big Pixel Refresh today, which means it ran for 4000 hours if i'm not mistaken. That is about 7.7 hrs a day btw.
Most of the time i play games, with about 300hrs of Elden Ring and 200hrs Cyberpunk 2077 respectively. I do keep the HUD as minimal as possible for most games of course.
So far, no Burn-in at all which is great. I would hope to get at least to 10.000 hrs without any issues on the TV.
I bought a open box A8H that was a display unit, constantly on. Had I think around 6700 hours of use when I bought it. Now sitting over 10k hours. Still no noticeable burn in effect. Me and my fiancé have it on about 8 hours a day in total (lots of background tv shows). I really can’t say anything negative about the unit, it’s been rock solid.
Caleb, you have one of the most natural deliveries of narration of any presenter in tech.
No repetition of tone, no overuse of inflection, a relaxed pace without wasting my time. I don't know if it's a gift, practice or you're GPT9 - but I consider you to be the Sir David Attenborough of tech.
damn nerds and their ridiculously high attention to details🤦♂️
He does use a lot words on any given subject. Probably to made the videos longer.
David A.'s tone is MUCH more relaxed.
He repeats himself a lot
I do see a few scenarios where a TV is used for long periods. Some folks with young kids have a TV on for a lot of the day, whether it be used for background noise or active watching of edutainment or cartoons. If that's in the living room, It will most likely continue to be used, possibly even for "critical viewing" of movies or other stuff when the family's daily tasks wind down.
There's also people who binge watch shows often, or the whole meme of people falling asleep to a show every night (The Office US in most references); I do think in these cases though, don't bother with an OLED.
And of course "hardcore gamers" that are a prime target of this tech since it's new and offers high refresh rates with better response times. Gaming sessions, especially multiplayer can get excessively long, especially when you're young and unresponsible 😁
Just using a TV a lot won’t cause burn in. It is static images that are the problem, ie CNN logo and ticket is on for that entire period.
@@brando_100 , yes but he asked the question if watching TV programming for many hours, not watching the same "channel" all day.
@@michaels3003 yes and I answered it.
@@brando_100 So, these were some scenarios that I think covered real world application of the "accelerated testing" from Rtings, also phrased as "Abusive Usage" earlier in the video (which covers more than just burn-in). As an aside, the HUD and other UI elements are static in the vast majority of games which puts them in the same risk factor as TV channel logos and tickers
I've been using the last generation Samsung plasma since I bought it new, with zero burn-in. Would it be fair to say that I'd have the same luck with an OLED? In other words... can long term plasma tv use burn-in results be useful in estimating the likelihood of OLED burn-in?
random queston - at 3:25 you run b-roll of a setup with polk speakers. do you do a phantom center? like a 2.1 setup?
One thing for sure Caleb if you don't vary your content the risk of burn in is certainly possible. But the risk is much less over the past couple of years.
I strongly disagree. I expect any tv to work without any problem for 10 hour of use everyday for 5 years without any issues for any content and if the technology is new i expect a 5 year no questions asked panel warranty. If the product isn't capable of this, it must be clearly stated.I am not paying to be a beta tester.. this was a challenging topic because you dont want to upset the tv manufactures ... the answer is simple these tvs cant handle 9 hour of continuous use. how people use them dosent matter , 9 hour of use is a very reasonable exception
Caleb the delay on an s95C review almost 3 months after release seems like a lot when now is the moment when many consumers are deciding between it and the g3- can digital trends just invest in purchasing the unit vs waiting on a review unit?
I have a a 65" Samsung q9fn and I realistically have it on 6 to 9 hours everyday continually between me and my wife. On the weekends depending on what we are doing it can stay on 12 to 15 hours. When I game which is in spurts, I will play it 6 to 8 hours. The tv still runs perfect and the picture still looks beautiful. I've had no issues. So because of my use case, I will stick with LED tv's in the future..love the channel.
I bought my LG C8 in 2018 and no ghosting issues. Used many hours a day and game on it. I do the pixel refresher about once a month.
My B8 burned in very badly. I did the pixels refresher once a month also. But it didn't prevent it.
Its recommended to use the refresher just once a year...
9 hours is normal especially in winter. My kids always leave the tv on with Netflix or something else running in background and then go to gaming on the tv and then someone else will come home and watch something else.
I’ve come home from work at midnight and seen TVs left on all the time.
The content is changing tho
Thanks for the comprehensive video and I appreciate the final thoughts. It sounds like OLED isn't going to be an issue for me. Reading all the hype threads and watching scare videos had me concerned but I paid attention to my usage and realized that yes, I leave my monitor in stand-by 24/7 but that just means an OLED can run any cycles it needs to but realistically I only use it for 2-6 hours a day with tons of varied content.
I have a Sony master class from 2016 play games and movies no issues in 2024
Love the video. However, when you say playing a game with HUD on for 8 hours a day is potentially risky, Are you talking about straight use or all together? Example would be I play Call of duty for 2 hours, watch a movie, come back to COD for a few more hours every single day for a few months, are the risks still the same?
Having to restrict my usage of the TV because it might get burn-in is an unreasonable demand for such expensive products as QD-OLEDs. So I'd rather stick to my 4K LED TV which I have since 2017, which has the same picture quality as it had on day one.
The future of TVs is microLED, but there's a long time until those will become affordable.
Exactly!!! Restricting usage for something you pay a premium for is crazy.
You’re restricting yourself by choice. TVs are meant to be used. One thing you have to realize is that technology has advanced so much throughout the years. Burn-In is a thing in the past, most modern OLED displays do a very good job at handling burn in due to the tech built into them. Unlike how it was years ago, these days you’d REALLY and i mean REALLY have to abuse your OLED to be at risk of getting Burn-In. On top of that, you’ll most likely be switching contents around such as Movies/Shows, playing different games, so realistically you have nothing to worry about whatsoever. But remember, burn-in can still happen to this day, just not as common as it once was. Get yourself an OLED and I promise you won’t look back to those LED/LCD. The fear of burn-in is in the past my man. If it makes you feel better, get a Best-Buy warranty whether if it’s 2yrs or 5yrs to have a peace of mind.
I can share from experience that burn in isn't the worst part of OLED panels. Even when burn-in happens, it's almost never noticeable in real world content. What's worse is that red and to a lesser extent, green pixels degrade before blue pixels. Humidity dramatically accelerates degradation. Channel degredation results in extremely inaccurate color. Human faces have a green tint and look like they just vomited. It's easy to find happy OLED owners after 2/3 years. I can say I don't know anyone whose OLED didn't seriously degrade by year 6. LG now have over a decade of hard data on real world durability. I'm sure they would be proud and even pushy to share that data with influencers like you if it indicated that their OLED TVs could be expected to last more than 5 or even up to 10 years. Instead of demonstrating that it's not a problem with hard data, every year there is some new feature that promises to prevent burn in. Ask around for people who have B/C/E/G series 6/7/8 year TVs. Extrapolating from the tiny sample of about 5 people I know and myself, I can't imagine the results would be good.
The green tint is what I am now experiencing after 4 years of heavy use on my C series LG OLED. It has me wondering if I should get an LCD, but I love the deep blacks on OLED so much.
My Uncle recently gave a 2017 65" LG B series oled to my Mom. The panel hours were just under 10,000. I ran a color slide burn-in test and it was immaculate. Not ever a trace of burn. Haven't seen any green tinting either. I remember seeing it in his house when visiting and it looked like he had it on vivid mode. 🤣 I'm guessing they watched a lot of varied content. Anyways, seeing that convinced me to get my own oled recently. 🤞
Its fixable tho just lower the green slider in the color settings
My LG OLED purchased in February of this year is still working fine. Very happy with it. And it has a feature where it electronically "cleans" the screen to prevent or mitigate screen burn-in.
I'm still using a plasma TV on a regular basis that has mild burn-in. It isn't anything that's sharply defined (such as the ghost image of a logo or chyron) instead it resembles shadowy areas of "dirty screen effect" that I don't actually notice with most screen content. However, I admit that when I DO become aware of the smudginess it bugs me. Even so, I feel confident that when I replace this plasma TV with a QD-OLED or WOLED model I will know how to avoid burn-in on the new TV. I'd also love to replace my IPS desktop monitor with an OLED display but I worry that no matter how cautiously I try to use an OLED monitor I would almost certainly generate burn-in, which would bother me a lot. I'll probably stick with an LCD display for monitor use.
When I am at home from work I can easily put 12+ hours on my TV and it's only turned off if I take a dump or make some food.
Playing a game intently or having watched a movie or show and then playing a game. Not hard to have 8-9 hours of it being on.
All that said, the fact of the matter is the S95B that has the same immediate compensation cycle as LG OLED does showed burn in after a 2 month test. This is about 1200 hours worth.
That is about 6 months worth of TV watching for an average user that actually USE their OLED.
That is a bad sign. Sure it's the CNN and the banners and supposedly 4 hours worth a day. But even though that might seem excessive CNN is it though in the sense that if a person watched CNN for 1 hour a day and not 4, lets say they watch a specific prime time show. That just means instead of burn in in 6 months they would have it at 18-24 months. That is UNACCEPTABLE on all levels.
You should expect to have a TV functioning without flaws like that for just 1 1/2 year usage. Imagine watching football or watch other news shows. Many have banners and tickers.
The LG OLED didn't show any hint of burn in even at the 4 month mark which is twice as long after the S95B already showed burn in.
I do not trust QD-OLED, it seems way to easy. That said yes their Gen2 panels are supposedly better but what does that mean then? Instead of 6 months you get burn in at 12 months.
Nope. I rather not bother. OLED for me would be best served as a dedicated movie TV that you don't use on an average daily basis meaning several hours a day. But more dedicated for aforementioned.
Thank you Caleb, I have mine boosted and still have faith it will last just fine with proper use 👌
Hi Caleb -- I greatly enjoy your videos and reviews as I want to replace our ageing TV in the next 1-2 years. I have a suggestion for a different aspect that I am not sure you cover regularly in your reviews. How about briefly commenting on the energy efficiency (power usage) of the TVs that you review? This is becoming more and more relevant in times of rising energy prices and the realization that resources are finite. Thank you!
Ok on a more serious note. How do those polk r600 perform for home cinema purposes?
Also make sure pixel shift etc is on and absolutely make sure you never turn your TV off at the wall after using it. I'm sure a lot of burn in is due to people turning their oleds off at the socket after use.
I accidentally hit the power switch on my surge protector while my tv was on…. Dang!
As the owner of a LG 60" plasma TV since 2011 who's considering an upgrade to a larger 4K display, OLED is definitely on my radar. As for the 9hr test I can see that being reasonable as if you're a sports fan then NFL Sunday can be a very long time the TV is on. Likewise for Hockey Day in Canada which occasionally happens during an NHL season. I've had very good use out of this plasma and wish 4K was available as it's contrast and viewing angles are superior to LCD. Burn in has never really been an issue but my use case might not be typical. Cable/Satellite broadcasts are mainly sports so even tho there might be score tickers on screen, commercial breaks switch it up. I do also have a Home Theatre PC hooked up which displays static content on it sometimes for hours (Windows taskbar set to autohide) such as RUclips with the browser bar on top and selection of other videos off to the side. Sometimes a faint ghost image is visible after such use but simply switching to a wallpaper slideshow or other content for a short time will fix it. I have gamed on it for hours at a time with onscreen HUD, etc. but this is now rare as I have another more powerful PC and 21:9 setup for that. It might also stay off for several days. I view in a light controlled environment so screen glare will not be a factor so no need to consider the higher brightness of LCD vs OLED, something you didn't mention when talking about driving the TV hard - if you've got a room with a lot of windows/light you'll probably be better off with LCD. OLED is starting to look more promising as it matures and these 2 videos have been good without all the details which can be easily researched if desired. Thumbs up.
I have a Qled and aNeo Qled both outstanding tv.The Neo Qled especially is easily on par with Oled.
1:07 and your wonderful content is greatly appreciated you are the reason why I know so much about TV's because of you!!
Hi, thanks for the informative video!
I am looking to replace my tv, and am looking at something like a Samsung QN90C or a S90C. However, I use my tv as my computer monitor and often work from home; in these situations my tv is often on for 8 or 9 hours per day (although I do lower the brightness for that via the HDR/SDR brightness balance setting).
1) I think the RTINGS test for 9 hours in a row might try to replicate working from home
2) Do you think getting an OLED TV is dangerous when regularly using it for 9 hours at a time at reduced brightness?
With more oled monitors coming out, 9 hours a day is totally reasonable. I'm usually coding and other productivity work on my computer for 10-11 hours most days.
You don't really need an OLED unless you want your display for watching content or for gaming, because otherwise there isn't much use for an OLED panel, it is in fact inferior to an IPS panel for day to day work stuff, considering it is far more expensive and is more prone to burn in in 3 years time, which the IPS or LED never will (LEDs can bleed though).
This may not be entirely common, but there are a lot of people in the US that leave their TVs on all day, often on some sort of news channel, even when they leave the room. I've found it especially common with older generations who were used to just having a CRT television going in the family room, where they'll often leave something like CNN or ABC News etc. on all day without a care in the world. Again, maybe not the majority of current OLED buyers, but it's definitely not an uncommon occurrence, so the TV should definitely be designed with this type of use in mind, or at least as a consideration.
I used it maybe 1 or 2 hours over the week for yt and 10 hours straight on saturday for gaming. 65" C1. This is maximum 15 hours per week. Tv wants to turn off after maybe 5 hours, but I click on remote not to automatically shuts down. Is this a problem?
On the ratings test, it depends, for example is the brightness was at maximum or what format they used, is not the same standard than cinema or filmmaker mode
I was close to buying one of those Alienware QD-OLED monitors, cause there was a discount. But I'm pretty sure I won't anymore, or ever. Not only are OLED monitors ridiculously expensive, seems like they won't last anywhere near as long as an LCD (making them even more expensive). We have an LCD monitor that is probably close to (or over) 20 years old and still works just fine. Nah if I wan't an HDR monitor I'll probably buy a good LCD one instead. If a reasonably priced decent LCD 21:9 HDR monitor will ever exist. Seems like if you buy an OLED monitor you should expect to replace it as freqently as you replace your GPU. In other words you need to be rich.
It depends. Sometimes my plasma is on for more than 8 hours, other times it's on for 0 hours. So yeah, I think it's fair to test for such a long time.
I thought LG is using larger pixels, thus while they need to get much higher brightness from the OLED pixels because of the filters, they are also spreading the load out better than Samsung does. Thus in the end Samsung is driving the pixels harder.
Also, I was of the assumption that LG is using blue as well, just that they add some sort of phosphor or so in order to turn that into white, which they then can filter.
Btw., the plasma has (after 12 years) some pretty noticeable image retention, however that goes away after regular use. As for actual burn in, I'd say there is none. Maybe the area of subtitles is slightly darker, but that's it.
The question is - when it happens what can be done about it? I have an LG OLED48CX6LB 48, which I bought on 18 June 2020 - so coming up to 4x years old this June 2024. I've got 2x parallel shadow lines across the bottom of the screen exactly where the 'ticker tape' captions go on news and sports news programmes. I've tried the advice from LG (who dispute it is burn in), switch off TV, change HDMI inputs, refresh the pixels etc. Still there. And once you can see them, you can't 'unsee' them. Any advice on here?
My tv is on from 7AM to 9 or 10PM most every single day. I am retired. I do watch the over the air news and television along with streamed content. I like my U6H tv but someday will get a better one and a 65" one instead of 55" what I have now. I enjoy your content very much.
Watching this video on my S95B hoping i dont see burn in any time soon.
Also, as someone whos quite tech literate and aware of the concept of 'burn in', i tend to baby my TV a bit and avoid content which has static elements or reduce brightness.
However, I think this is also partly because this tv is (relatively) new. In a few months, ill probably get bored of doing this and choose to enjoy my tv the way I want to. With reckless abandon.
Fun fact: I owned a KS8000 before this and only switched it out because it too, also burnt in after 6 years. 😂🤷♂️ By that measure, I cant win with LED or QD:OLED.
Own the same. Do worse. No burn in. As there will be none.
Stop being that guy.
My 2008 1080 fluorescent tube set spent years of 12-hour days, often running day and night in the background to this day, & still looks great. My LED Sony (900A) with more normal use started showing black line screen failure after about 6 years, but fine for watching late night talk shows. I baby my 80J OLED and hope for the best. Thanks for the insight.
@caleb why have you not reviewed the Samsung s95c? Seems like every reviewer has already reviewed it. Would be good to get your insights.
I've had a LG CX 65 for over 2 years now. I game a LOT...if a hot new boi comes out, 6-9 hours a day is the norm. But I always make sure the TV is in some sort of energy saving mode to reduce brightness; always have the OLED brightness settings at like 65, and always use the "screen off" feature for small breaks where I don't need to power off. I obviously have the screen shift and logo luminance adjust settings maxed out and a very short timer for standby mode.
Not even a glimmer of burn in to be seen.
I had a LG B8 55 before that, one pixel froze to a blue color after about 15 months, thats why I upgraded to the CX, but again; never experienced burn in.
I just bought the Alienware QD OLED 34, and don't foresee any problems here either due to companies extreme countermeasures; even though it's much brighter. Not to mention the Alienware has a 3 year warranty specifically mentioning burn in, so I'm really not worried.
Beautiful videos as always.
My Sony Master Series 77" OLED easily gets 9+ hours of continuous on use most every day; and has for about two years. It replaced a Pioneer Kuro Elite Signature PLAMSA that lasted over a decade and was only replaced due to being 1080P and a known power bug that appeared late in life. NEITHER set has ever shown any burn-in. That said the sets watch little to no news or sports content so very little logos in the same area for hours either daily or cumulatively.
If you get burn in under any circumstances with an OLED within 5 years it should be fixed by the manufacturer no ifs or buts otherwise it’s not fit for purpose in the first place no matter how long it’s been switched on for.
Shall they pay for your mistakes considering the facts are all around you??
Gtfo.
I wouldn't worry about it, lg OLED from my experience with the b7, they all have this setting called quick start plus turned on by default, what that does is put the TV in a standby mode and run a mild pixel refresh after every 4 hours of use when you turn it off. I've had my b7 since October 31st 2017 and haven't had any problems with long term retention and I play a lot of video games on it, yellow can stick for a little bit but fades quick, other than that, no big issues. It is an older model so I'm sure they're less sensitive to things like this now. Another thing you can do to minimize it is when you take a break or quit gaming for the night is put it on cable tv for a while just to keep things moving, I know Xbox has a dimming feature after staying idle but, just some precautions I've taken over the years just to be safe
Does neo qled work same way as qled in terms of burn in?
My parents will leave a tv on for hours and hours on end. My dad will have the tv on from 8am watching the news and weather to watching stargate sg1 and sleeping through many episodes, news around 5pm and movies until he sleeps at 10p. So yeah, tv can be on for a loooong time. Because of this, I’ve told them no OLED for you.
9 hours with kids from different age groups definitely. Especially on a weekend. elementary school kids 2-3 hours watching their shows, teen comes in plays games for another 2-3 hours. You get home from work and watch the news for an hour. Then you watch a 2 hour movie. I'm pretty sure a family with at least 2 children will put 9 hours on a tv no problem.
Then you need lcd tv
@@redi6460 I need whatever I want. ;)
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Sony A90k isn’t QD oled
So either the regular oled from sony had that burn in or it should say A95K
People also use it as a computer monitor. For productivity and then later entertainment. That use will be easily go over 8h a day.
Do you recommend against to use it as a monitor?
That poll basically showed that nearly 50% have their TV on for more than 4 hours per day. And that means a big chunk basically have it 6-8 hours and some even more.
All the people that have an OLED that say "I don't have burn in" and you ask how many hours they have. They have like 1200 - 2000 hours in a year. Meaning they don't use it a lot.
I work from home so I use my 43" Vizio 4k 120Hz 4k TV as a PC monitor for 8 hours a day then do gaming on it in the evening. I've been using this TV this way since 2018. No issues. Was thinking of upgrading but this video kinda tells me that OLED may not be the best for my situation. May have to be a QN90C instead.
So, are you saying if I leave my tv on for up to 15 hrs a day I shouldn’t get a OLED? I should probably stick with mini LED?
If you're watching CNN or FOX news for hours each day, you have bigger problems than burn-in on your tv lol.
Lmao
Haha, definitely not only the screen but also the brain😅
9 hours of daily usage is not unrealistic. Some people turn on the TV they get home from work, and it's on the entire evening, 5-6 hours, and perhaps on weekends the TV could be on from morning till midnight, kids using in during morning and then adults during evening. I often use my TV to play music for hours using Spotify, that means the same static image is displayed.
Perfect timing! I'm thinking of swapping my M1 Pro 14" MacBook Pro for a Mac mini M2 Pro, and hence a display for that one
I think that your point is the assumption that the acceleration is a linear graph which could be true but i think that can be tested that assumption too. 2 hour use for 10 days or 10 hours use for 2 days. Do they yield the same result?
I saw the Rtings burn in test and I subscribed to their channel 😊. As a Samsung S95B owner their test convinced me to buy an extended 5 year warranty from Best Buy
Follow up video: What LCD tvs on the market most closely replicate the performance of OLED tvs.
Qn95c
@@ShadiFagihi isn't that a QLED? Not sure if that counts
@@chadderstar6880 yes it is an LED TV
@Immortal Hunter my question was for LCD not LED.
Thanks, you explained what i was looking for.
Yep! I doubt that the accelerated testing that they have in place is representative of the results compared to more typical longer term use. With these organic materials we just don’t know yet if wear is a linear relationship to time. Wear vs time is likely a nonlinear relationship and the only way to really figure it out is to have historic data that ranges from short term to long term use. Then you have to take that historic data, map it to a curve, and use that curve for predicting performance. The issues with this is that it takes time to do and any curves developed are going to be specific to the materials and the energy applied to them of which can change from year-to-year, and model-to-model. The testing that Rtings is doing must have the caveat that it is for extreme use cases and not necessarily predictive of normal use, let alone lower-use cases. Bottom line is to try and limit the kinds of use (tickers, heads-up displays, HDR for status menus, etc.) that typically raise burn-in potential…or just go LED 🙂
I totally agree with wear vs time being non linear! Great points!!
I use my TV for 12 hours somedays. So 9 is perfectly fine.
I’m waiting for QD-OLED with MLA, can y’all imagine?
QD-OLED doesnt work with filter, so MLA wont do anything
@@kojicesmikurac isn’t MLA just a layer of lenslets on top of an OLED panel and not a filter?
@@matheus8530 Yes it is indeed, but LG has the colour filter in front of the OLED which is blocking light. Thats why MLA is so effective in LG panel. Samsung doesnt have colour filter, they have Quantum Dots. They dont block any light, and MLA would be useless in this case.
IDK what kind of TV I need, but our TV is on about 12-15 hours a day. I have a Sony KDL-60W850B that I've had for about 9 years, and it just now started malfunctioning, getting the 4 blinking red light of death. The sides of the screen have dimmed, but most people can't notice. IDK what kind of TV it is, but it's a pretty damn good TV. So IDK which direction I should go to replace it.
What if you are happy to have it on in a darkened room with lower perceived brightness? It the correlation between brightness and burn in linear?