The IND's Second System, explained
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2022
- So here it is, my new longest video on this channel, beating Secrets of The NYC Subway - Part 4 by 38 seconds. This video will officially premiere while I'm on vacation on August 21st, so if you are reading this before that date, then you'll have to wait, sorry. When I come back from vacation, I will upload a video documenting my trip and what I saw, so stay tuned.
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In an Alternate universe the second ind system was built
I think I would not be able to understand what the subway is. I was only able to figure out after a few months being in NYC for vacation. I would have given up with the IND Second System.
And in that alternate universe. the TA would have built many miles of new infrastructure between about 1950 and 1975 that would be in need of renovations by now. Imagine what the maintenance backlog would be like today in that situation.
Funny
Out of all the routes proposed by those studies..only a few were built.
The Rockaway line was cut in half....
The SAS is only a drop in the bucket EVEN THOUGH BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WERE SPENT ON IT.
The 61 st line turned into the 63rd st Crosstown connector, with two levels built for both LIRR AND NYCT routes.
The Queens Bypass was never built.
The Southeastern Queens line was only built as far as Jamaica Center
The SAS was actually constructed in lower Manhattan under Chrystie st with One station Grand st..
This line actually changed the way the formally separated BMT and IND systems operated by combining both into the B Division...by using portions of the plans that practically took over the Nassau st line..and the BMT Eastern Divisions Broadway Brooklyn Elevated replaced by trains from Second Ave and 6th Avenue.
It also takes over two sections of the southern BMT division lines (west end and Brighton)
Lines that would have reached the most riders, and transit desserts were not built...which didn't make any sense at all
Interesting how much of the now IBX planned right of way would have been used by the L train.
Great video! When discussing the proposed extension of the Hillside Ave. line into Queens Village you note with a sigh @ 12:30 that it would have terminated at Springfield Blvd. There is still a wide median between the lanes of Hillside Ave. running from about 218th to 231st street that was put in place to allow space for the station and tail tracks. However, the 1939 IND Second System map on Wikipedia shows the end of the line at Little Neck Parkway, 1 3/4 miles farther east at the City Line. I wonder if that plan was cut back?
Also, when you cover Jamaica in the next video, can you talk about proposals to extend the Jamaica Avenue line eastward? I'm old enough to remember the elevated line in Jamaica. When I was growing up in Queens Village there were rumors of an unused tunnel under Jamaica Avenue around (sigh) Springfield Blvd for a proposed but never built subway station. Do you know if there is any truth to the rumor?
Thanks for great content! 😀
Given the current decline and fall of New York City, I wonder if any of these extensions will EVER be built?!?! Thanks for documenting these plans, so that in the future, there will be a record of the hopes and dreams of an enhanced New York Subway system.
Since COVID, office occupancy rates in Manhattan have dropped considerably and may never be revived. Also, the MTA is stuck with high debt levels, maintenance backlogs, and unfunded pension and health care obligations to its employees. Thus they will be struggling to maintain their existing services for a very long time to come.
@@GunHillTrain Good points! Thanks for posting!
Awesome overview!
Utica Ave Fulton street provisions are quite pronounced.
I see them all the time in BK on the A Train line. In the 80's & 90's stairs connected the Lower Level to the Abandoned Upper level. ... & the gates at the Upper Mezzanine were open to were as you were able to see the Abandoned Platforms. I grew up & lived near the Utica Ave train station.
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I appreciate the fact that the New York City Subway continues to dream up new expansion plans and continue to support old ideas.
VERY informative!!
The Utica Avenue line should be revived and built along with a revival of Floyd Bennett Field as a secondary/regional airport like LaGuardia to cater to regional flights to take some pressure off JFK across the harbour, and then connect the two with more automated skytrains!
I hope the 2nd ave subway reinstates these lines.
All IND Second System Lines:
Second Avenue Subway 1:28
South 4th Street - Worth Street Subway 2:22
Utica Avenue Subway (Branches off South 4th Street) 3:16
Nostrand Avenue Line Extension 3:56
Myrtle-Central Aves Line (Branches off Crosstown and South 4th Street Lines) 4:10
Windfield Spur/Rockaway Branch Subway (Branch off Queens Blvd Line) 4:40
Revitilized IRT 3rd Avenue Line 5:23
Revitilized IRT 9th Avenue Line (Extension of Lenox Ave Line) 5:48
Van Wyck Blvd and Archer Ave Line 7:10
IND Fulton Street Line Extension 7:54
BMT Fulton Street El Extension 8:31
Staten Island Subway/Fort Hamilton Pkwy Subway (Branches off Culver Line) 8:54
IRT Flushing Line Queens Extension 9:36
Long Island City (Horace Harding) Line 10:15
Midtown-Queens Tunnel and Queens Blvd Super Express 11:04
Morningside Line (Branches off Broadway Line) 11:42
Concourse Line Extension 12:05
Hillside Avenue Line (Queens F Train Extension) 12:20
Canarsie Line Extensions 12:38
(sigh) Springfield Blvd...
Springfield Boulevard is a very important road in Eastern queens so it makes sense for trains to stop at different neighborhoods along it but for them to end there, eh, it should touch the nassau border more.
@@jeremiahtaylor1817 I agree
@@jeremiahtaylor1817 many buses including the nice buses run there too.
And lirr
Interesting how many of the proposals were done in 1929 and then died
The mezzanine at the end of the flushing main street station is the provision for the lines extension. The mezzanine would be converted to a tunnel at track level.
6:16 matching Bernie Waghenblast announcements at Chambers St to 96th St via 34th Penn if built is There is an Uptown Express 3 train to Woodlawn or Bedford Park Blvd Approaching the Station Please Standback from the platform Edge. Same thing is also said for a Diverted 4 train via the West Side Line. From Penn Station you now have 2 ways A train to 145th for B trains during Rush Hour Off peak Late Nights Weekends D train or 3 train via 9th ave El and Harlem 148th St. If built QBL Super Express first stop Woodside 61st St and then Forrest Hills
To think that NYC could have ended up with a proper rapid transit system...
Would have been nice
You know just before arriving at Forest Hills going to Jamaica look to your left the tracks widen making space for QBL Supper Express
If someone was to take over mayor Eric Adams spot I guarantee you they would rebuild the subway system by making more subway stations and re-fixing some old ones
@Eragor the Kindhearted well here’s a thing as mayor of New York if I ever become one the thing is we want to introduce our kids to NYC history in Brooklyn New York in introducing did the history of the MTA I think it’s important for New Yorkers such as me to be more extravagant but what we do and be careful sure Eric Adams is doing the best he can to help New York but I can tell you this everyone needs a helping hand in our country now more than ever with the With New York City estate of being dumb and I would do the best I came from my city I don’t want to be like those dumb mayor‘s like Bloomberg or Di Blasio we need to help New York City more than ever and I think in my opinion I’m not gonna be wasting my life over some dumb money because I am mayor I’m not gonna act like those stupid people because those people are already idiots mayors of every single state except New York I’ve turned into idiots and I would take over his part and do what has to be done for New York I will do the best thing I can do for my own well-being and I bra about money like a stupid idiot on the street or some dumb rapper that’s why also those stations have been a bandit for a while and I think they need a rebuild it’s OK to reveal history but we need to reveal that to the world for our future kids
The mayor Eric Adams said that south Bronx definitely needs Transportation 3rd Avenue Elevated line also . The 3rd Avenue Elevated line shouldn't never been removed at all. Focus on the iRT lines like the old 8 3rd Avenue Elevated line between Gun hill and and Queens plaza connecting with the 7 N W trains 🚃.
Listen carefully Eric Adams said that they are definitely gonna rebuild the cross Bronx Express Highway 🛣️ because the roads is definitely bad . They are talking about making it bigger for the Bike lanes on both sides and jogging and walking. So this way when they rebuild the Third Ave Elevated line it could definitely be a little higher so the 🚛 and the tracker trailers and the trucks and bigger dibble decker buses could pass by. The cross Bronx Express Highway is not going nowhere. They are definitely gonna rebuilding of what Robert mosses had started and taking a way the 8 Thrid Avenue Elevated line down. However Erick Adams and governor Cathy hucko is gonna definitely have God's way and there way now. You know that the old president Robert mosses is no longer on this earth 🌎 anymore. This Thrid Avenue Elevated line definitely needs to come back I tell you that right now.
The video was very entertaining and informative but ( sorry if I sound rude) where is part 2?
Do a video on the new Brooklyn queens proposal !
The IBX
The extension of the Hillside Ave line is built to Springfield Blvd as a 4-track line, but walled up after the turn tracks of the 179th street station, because of a poorly installed wall on the Manhattan-bound track where it collapsed onto the trackway around 188th street, and was never opened for traffic. For a little while the other tracks were used for layups until a new motorman took the train to Springfield Blvd for a lay-up, then just before 188th street the TA walled up the tunnel so this would not happen again. There are air vents on both sides of Hillside Ave from 179th street to just past Springfield Blvd. CHECK IT OUT. If they repair the area where the bad construction was, the F could go to Springfield Blvd and this could be done in less than 6 months. Oops, I forgot we are dealing with the TA.
wow
a station name Winfield
Hello there I hope you're doing well I saw on Google News that MTA is getting rid of the Metrocard machines now we have to pay with our phones for a train ride that sucks Metro cards are about to go extinct noooo 😭😭😭😥.
This was a great video on the History of IND Extentions that should of happend.sir. But it did'nt happend . Most of theres Extention would've ben very useful. As they would've cut down traveling times for people who use the subways . Also on the 21 st Queens Bridge 🌁 F train 🚉 station 🚉. I think that The Long Island might end up making a connection for trains as part of East Side access plan. Sir
*sigh* Springfield Blvd
Mayor*
There will never be a "third" system.
Ever. 🤠
You never know . Look at the second Ave subway line is back . Never say never so could this . You definitely need to take a look at south Bronx. they don't have the 3rd Avenue Elevated subway line anymore. South Bronx is definitely suffering without the 3rd Avenue Elevated line. They should of never taking down the 3rd Ave Elevated line down at all. so let's keep it 100% real
That's is nothing to play with. This is really really serious. No ifs and buts about that.
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