This Theory Explains one of the BIGGEST Questions About the Next Mass Effect
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- N7 Day 2022 raised some big questions about the Next Mass Effect / Mass Effect 4 / Mass Effect 5 - Questions like "Why is Liara working with the Geth?" and "Why is someone building a Mass relay?"
Today, we delve into a theory that could explain it all.
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To explain it a little further;
Since the "Geth telescope" could supposedly peer into the Andromeda galaxy in real time - They would be able to see the Scourge spreading through the Heleus Cluster as it happened, placing the timeline at that of when the Scourge was spreading the most, either during the Ark's journey to Andromeda or even throughout Ryder's adventure.
Liara & the Geth building a specialized Mass Relay would negate most of the the time difference, as with a sufficiently advanced relay - Ships would arrive almost immediately at the border of Andromeda. In other words, the timelines would merge and the new Milky Way expeditions would arrive just after the final battle with the Archon.
I really like this theory. Not only does it bring back the Dark Energy plot in a better way (IMHO), it also lets us see the consequences of our Andromeda playthroughs. I would find meeting Ryder as an npc most acceptable. It would also re-legitimise Andromeda by having Liara being there (that's if she joins the PC). It also leans into the real-world idea that it's better to wait for better engines than head off on sleeper ships or whatnot.
The added advantage is that the length of time obscures the specifics of the ME3 endings, allowing them to keep it vague and not have to 'canonise' one, letting us speculate for ourselves to our heart's content.
I totally agree with everything you said! ❤
The Dark Energy wasn't there when the Initiative left for Andromeda though.
@@loremasterxp3635 Indeed, however the Geth could still be observing the Andromeda galaxy as we know they have some presence in the next game.
Essentially, while the Arks are on their way to Andromeda, the Geth telescope could detect the spread of Dark Energy/the Scourge.
@@Klijpo And how to hide the peculiarity of the endings?
For example, we will see that there are no green faces around. So it's not Synthesis.
We will see that there are no living Reapers. It means not Control and not Synthesis.
And vice versa of course. We'll see living Reapers. So not Destroy. Reapers are green. So no Control. Reapers are not green. Means Control
This one actually makes a lot more sense now that you explain it.
Unfortunately, I still hope they don't go this route of setting the game hundreds of years into the future.
If they do, I at least hope a decent portion of the beginning of the game is set right after ME3, us original trilogy fans deserve to know more about what happened to our old squadmates beyond silly powerpoint presentations and monuments.
I know there are some out there who would say "oh Shepard's story is over, move on, yadda yadda," but proper closure is really all I'm asking for.
I agree completely. All I ask of bioware is to give us one last meeting with the normandy crew. It doesn't have to be huge or massive just something to give us proper closure.
Mass Effect needs to do something not related to Shepard otherwise it will quickly fall into the Star Wars hole where they depict the story of literally an entire galaxy and all the events are based on the actions of a dozen individuals.
@@Constanza235 yes please
To me the story is over and it should move on. I am not opposed to having a bit of closure but I just don't think it should be the main focus or priority.
@@Knight1029 I agree the main focus should be new threats to the milky way and new heros of the milky way but we never got a true resolution to shepard's story because of the destroy ending along with that we never got to fully see what the galaxy did to fix the reaper damage all we got was a slide show of the future
I really love this theory and I think it makes sense and I have always wanted them to continue this story line!
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If y’all know what a dark star is or dark hole, then that can explain tha dark energy
I’ve been following your channel for a couple years now, and am impressed at how much your camera/lighting setup, editing, and overall presentation have improved. Props!
Thank you! You're one of the first people to comment on it and well yeah, I've focused on trying to improve at making the videos as engaging as possible, hence all the improved equipment 😅
6:41 I've just replayed LotSB this last weekend and COLOUR ME SURPRISED when I finally noticed that the Hagalaz (former Shadow Broker's ship and HQ) has yellow and black stripes painted on its hull in several places, just like the mass relay under construction 🤔
(Well, at least it'd be way better than having to deal with Cerberus bullshit in one more game)
Wait what? Time ro replay LotSB!
The part that seems to be overlooked is at the end of Andromeda the Kett are not destroyed only the Archon and his loyalists. There are still lots of Kett just outside Hellious. Definitely more room for showdowns there. That could be another thing they notice from the telescope.
When I heard them acknowledge both Commander and Pathfinder fans when information first started coming out about Mass Effect 4/5 and I played Andromeda for the first time, I immediately thought it's got to have something to do with the Scourge/dark energy. It's way too good of a lead that connects the two galaxies to not dive into more. Especially since the Geth were already observing something far outside of our own galaxy. But I guess we'll slowly know more in the coming months, years. Hoping for months though. 😂 Great analysis on this dark matter theory. 👌
I believe this will be the plot of the next Mass Effect… ever since we saw the construction of the Mass Relay I believed it to be connected to Andromeda
I hope not. It would be a mistake to connect the galaxies that much.
The BioWare team is like "dammit how'd he figure out the plot already!?!" But I like the theory, and I'm totally on board with how that could play out.
Your theory is pretty much what I've been thinking myself. So many pieces fit together very nicely for this to be the case, and makes the story far grander that what we got for the OT. We know in the real world that Andromeda and the Milky Way are moving towards each other, and will eventually merge although that's not due to happen for a very long time, but they could add a twist that the dark energy phenomena is accelerating the pull between galaxies, which might create a sense of urgency. Who knows!
you know, its said that if you have faster than light speed you have time travel. And there are some configurations of wormholes that theoretically could function as a time machine. I'm gonna do some digging and tweet you.
Personally, as far as theories, I prefer the "Occam's Razor" approach this early in a games development. So I like this theory that it's just a Mass Relay to go between the Milky Way and Andromeda.
It could also be a good way to introduce the canceled DLC for Andromeda to rescue the fifth Arc that had the Quarians, Drell, Hanar, Volus and Elcor.
Don't forget Batarians.
Yes!!
@@reichtangleanschluss509 Why remember these slave traders?
@@user-wr7mb3ic7m The Quarian Ark has few hundred of them.
it was a book was it not?
I like this theory. Liara had contact with Alec Ryder and young Ryder knows about that. The Quarian ark didn't make it so maybe Ryder is finding clues why.
Been waiting for this since the live 🙏 I always had a theory where the mass relay was being built in the Andromeda Galaxy, linking it to the Milky Way. Just a thought though
Andromeda was very purposefully set behind and in the distance by BioWare. We’re not going there.
Okay, that is actually a really good idea. I haven't thought of that before. I remember that when I learnt that the Scourge was a dark energy cloud I thought that was just a neat detail. Not much else. But if it is revealed that the Scourge wasn't something the Opposition created but rather discovered and used to attack the Jardaan could be a huge reveal. This is a really great theory. Great job man.
Also I do want to say if they do bring the dark energy plot back I do want to say that I hope they don't make it a choice. I think the big reason I didn't like it is because the choice is meaningless. Let the entire galaxy die or let the Reaper find a way. Because I doubt that the Milky Way races can actually find a way to stop that universal threat.
My theory is relativity. The faster you move, the slower time does. I saw a science video that illustrated, based on what we know now, if the arks broke the light barrier to travel to Andromeda, they would have actually arrived before the time of their launch. I can't explain it in comment, but basically I don't think 600 years actually passed. In fact, I think far less time passed.
Your in-depth knowledge on Mass Effect and it's universe is truly mind blowing. As a fan who has put into the series 1000+ hours into the games it's wonderful. Much love☮️💚keep up the awesome work.
thanks for making these videos, i might do t he same and explain what brought me to the franchise, im glad their will be a sequel
YOOOO! I love this theory, especially the idea of an intergalactic mass relay. I'm so excited for the next mass effect.
Maybe we can even choose to play as an alien species (Turian, Asari est), that would be so dope!
MrHulthen recently after another walkthrough of ME3 i just noticed that Legion before prior: Rannoch tells shepard about secret megatech construction outside Milkyway that has to conserve all geth programms in it. So i believe this is how geth could make it after destroying mass relays after crucible fired. Maybe this is how geth can appear in next mass effect?
Unfortunately, this "megastructure" was destroyed in Mass Effect 3 by the Quarians. The Quarians attacking the Geth structure was what caused the huge conflict Shepard has to solve :(
@@MrHulthen Oh, i really missed this, so pity, it was a real huge thought in my head few days already. Thank you for answer anyway!
@@xsidncy9062 haha i feel ya. I felt the same way last year as I didn't actually know that was the case xD
Hey MrHulthen,haveyou checked my tip from the N7 poster from the City planet(maybe Ilium or Omega),there is a asari hologram,and behind it is shape of a geth.
I like it. The only problem I see is Cerberus - how does the Cerberus colours fit into it?
Love your content man. Mass Effect is a game that means so much to me personally and its great that you still cover it. Love from Ireland 🇮🇪.
I haven't seen it mentioned, but I'm sure I'm not the first. The new ship in the teaser trailer has a mass relay shape to it. Seeing the second teaser with the building of some type of mass relay looking structure seems to add to my suspicion that this game will relie heavily on mass relays. Not just being there for use like in ME 1-3 but possibly get into the science of how they truly function. Possibly by harnassing the extreme energy of.....DARK ENERGY?? Just my theory.
Definitely interesting idea. I could see this happen while not ruining either ME or the Andromeda games.
Pretty damn good theory. The scourge also represents a biological opposite (wipe out tech) to the Reapers (wipe out bio). Could be a paperclip problem in bio form.
Makes sense. Besides... Anyone remembers the message from the quarian ark going through dark space that Ryder received after beating the Archont?
Can't say I have ever heard a more perfect theory. This is the way to not only save and make others want to play Andromeda, but it makes the OG trilogy characters (alive & dead) likely to be able to connect to the Andromeda timeline.
There's the mindless mass of the Scourge, but hoping antag to harness it is either Cerberus (given design of Relay being constructed) or Harbinger in some different form (because he was hyped to be final boss of trilogy only to be side lined by a conversation with the Intelligence)
If me4 is set 600 years in the future and all the old characters are dead ill die.
What if? The tie-in is, Rider now older and a more fleshed out character having suffered loss and filled with a deep and ingrosing back story is now on the verge of passing away. A new challenging and never before seen enemy with an equally strong back story is now posed to devastate and enslave Andromeda. His last recourse is to follow the advice of his/her sibling (now a bio engineer/Dr.) and reserect one of Earth's mightiest heroes to save the day using DNA provided by ? And mentored by Rider himself/herself, Shepherd will rise and decide whether or not to follow a path drawn before him/her based on stories of a life they never lived. Or forge a new path.
Another mind blowing theory:
Mass Relay is being build to connect two galaxies together.
And becasue of the sheer distance it is transcending time and space meaning that people can travel between it no problem while in Andromeda it is 600+ years in advance when compared to Milky Way. This way they can bridge two timelines into a single point.
I don't want shep in Andromeda, that's Ryder's story. Shep stays in the Milky Way.
I'm sure people have talked about this and I just haven't seen it; Whenever the dark energy stuff gets brought up, no one seems to bring up the fact that the catalyst/crucible burst the entire milky way galaxy with dark energy at the end of ME3. Unless maybe I misunderstood something about how it works but that is the way it's described sometime during ME3. That has to have had some kind of affect on the galaxy. And maybe even the Andromeda galaxy if they were using relays to look at Andromeda, maybe some of that dark energy got shot their way
I like hearing this theory but the question that I have do we need another galactic killing calamity? The smaller stories within Mass Effect are intriguing enough to where I don’t feel like I need to be fighting for the entire galaxy on every mission. The lair of the shadow broker, taking back omega, citadel DLC, etc. These stories were more impactful than simply thinking about stopping the reapers. Heck I remember thinking how cool it would be to have a spinoff game where you play as a csec detective solving crimes on the citadel.
I like this theory, I just recently played the tali mission, and it got me thinking of the scourge from mass effect Andromeda since I played that recently as well, lol. I hope they go the dark energy route. It seems like it could be very interesting. Now I'm off to play more mass effect 2
Who could have thought that after all the adventures and villains what would we be fighting at the end of the series would be a fucking entropy
I honestly forgot about Tali's loyalty mission in ME 2 when I started playing MEA. The dark energy theory is very interesting, because I find the "evil machines are killing us all" plot a bit monotonous. If dark energy is some kind of out-of-control superweapon of an ancient war, or a natural phenomenon unknowingly triggered/accelerated by organic species (comparable to the early phase of climate change, but extended to the whole universe), that would be a great plot twist. I always wondered if the Kett aren't actually Protheans who made it to andromeda and deep down that's where their aversion to artificial intelligence and their genetic mania comes from. The question is, how the story in Andromeda would develop, if now whole fleets from the Milky Way could come to Andromeda through a huge mass relay.
Would be cool if that the new Relay is being build is gate way to the Andromeda. While the Reason that Cauncil if furious is that they know about the Scurge and they think that building the gate way will accelerate the Scurge so it comes to the Milkey Way Galaxy much faster. At the same time whoever released the Scurge could somehow manipulate and come after the geth since they are they key to figuring who is behind the Scurge and how to Stop it and sees them as threat. Hence why all the destroyed Geth in the teaser image, since the antagonist could have already came from Helius to our galaxy. But that just be spit balling and I could be completely wrong.
I just realized, all the Geth know Liara is the Shadow Broker because Legion knows… so much for secrecy lol.
On each video I get more excited about the upcoming game! I'm pretty sure you will be right on several points.
After some thought, I wouldn’t mind a ME5 staring a more matured version of Ryder. Like say 5 or 10 years after MEA.
Seems likely that this new mass relay is the gateway to andromeda. The reapers built the relays after all so by salvaging they're technology it isn't a stretch to believe the milky way races could build something that could cover more distance. I suspect this'll be the key to bringing both the trilogy and andromeda together without sacrificing the lives of our favourite characters.
You'd be sacrificing a lot of favourite characters besides Liara since there's a 600 year difference between the games.
Good point. You might be right about the dark energy plot. But the relay looks cerberus style, and there are Andromeda's colonist ships in distants next to it. Maybe Cerberus from Andromeda is building it. Or original Cerberus remnants. Also why would geth care about some other galaxy's problems? Maybe it's more likely that after destroy ending milky way galaxy was so affected by the dark energy pulse from the crucible that it caused some kind of negative effect to the stars, like Tali is describing, just on a bigger scale. And since smth like this happened in Andromeda already they are coming from Andromeda to help somehow, contacted by Liara. Plus there are a lot of hints that Shep is coming back, since he survives in one ending. Maybe he and Liara are organising all this galaxy recovery process. Especially after that leak or ,,mistake'' under that poster which said that Shep and survivors are trying to rebuild from what's left.
There is one other thing when you finish Andromeda in the end you get a message saying that the other arcs (quarian, volus, hanar and elcor) made it but hit the scourge and that you're not able to help them right now and since the quarians were studying the dark energy already could it be that they are gonna be the solution to scourge and the picture of building a mass relay is actually in Andromeda galaxy trying to reach the milky way
Even if the Illusive Man's Cerberus backers decided to help fund a mass relay after his death, I don't think the denizens of Andromeda would have the resources for it. It's just not practical to have continued funding and support over such astronomical distances.
@@quintyss1290 true but they could use remnants technology to do it cuz even the Angara don't know the full capability of the remnant technology
This theory makes so much sense, thank you for the video. Not sure, however, how merging me 3 and andromeda would look nice and bring some original mass effect excitement in the game, but I guess we will see how it goes! I am so hopeful they are making this game worth waiting!!!
Привет. Можешь в общих чертах рассказать что в видео? А то я плохо знаю инглиш( Только читать могу более-менее. А субтитры в видео не всегда нормально переводятся
@@user-wr7mb3ic7m Ну если прямо в кратце, чувак рассказывает про теорию возможного сюжета в масс эффект 4, который будет подвязан к тёмной материи. Эту тему Тали в ме2 рассказывает, когда говорит что звёзды умирают слишком быстро, что то на них влияет. Ну и в Андромеде присутствует также оружие созданное древней цивилизацией, которое по сути дела является этой же энергией. Ну и возможно объяснить, что сюжет оригинальной трилогии и масс эффекта будет объединён на этой почве. Там ещё много факторов, но это очень долго писать)
@@acidhead28 а, понял, спасибо, лайк👍👍👍
Я тут почитал некоторые комменты… А автор видео в курсе что Скверна в Андромеде появилась во время полёта Ковчегов в Андромеду? Если точнее, то в 2400 году
I'm excited to see the possible options you can create with the outcomes from mass effect 1-3
What if the massive relay "ship" being built is a way for Shepard (and team) to be able to jump to the Andromeda galaxy? The time stamp on the video is only 4 years after the 3rd game (correct me if I am wrong, I have watched way too many videos) it could be a way for fans who want Shepard to return and fans of Andromeda to get the best of both worlds. We get Shepard back with some teams mates who go off to defend Andromeda, picking up some new teams mates?
Even if it is Cerberus building the relay, Shepard and team can storm the place like old times and either they get control of the relay and decide to go or maybe something happens and they end up being shot over to the Andromeda galaxy? Just an idea!
Conrad Verner is the new Illusive Man
Only thing that makes this a little unlikely is that none of the material we've seen looks like technology has advanced over 600 years. It looks like a few decades max.
Great video, as always. If this theory ends up as part of the storyline for the next ME chapter, is it possible that the footage of Liara picking up the piece of N7 armour and smiling is merely her smiling at a memory of Shepard? It’s a tough one as I’d love to play as Shep again but, also loved Andromeda as well (apart from the bugs lol).
I love this theory. It also would explain why we didn't have answers about some important things in ME:A.
I've just seen you're near to the 50k. Glad for you. I discovered your channel when only had less than 5k. It grew up fast. And hope it will go on.
I kinda wish in Mass Effect Andromeda that the Ark ships ran into some reapers in dark space ( as they left the milky way before the reaper war ) and then dragged a whole fleet of reapers to andromeda where they would try and cleanse Andromeda as well
Before the release of Andromeda, the developers said that the Reapers were not interested in other Galaxies.
If the Reapers faced the Arks in dark space, there would be two options:
1. The Arks would have been destroyed;
2. The Reapers, having calculated the trajectory of the Arks, would see that the Arks are flying to other Galaxies. And the Reapers would have released the Arks because the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies
Considering the synthesis ending in me3, and the fact that you can only activate the vaults in me4 becuase Ryder has merged with an ai, and the scourge attacks technology....the "opposition" could be like the reapers but they seek out and destroy any life forms that merge with ai, perhaps seeing them as some sort of sin or existential threat to biological life.
Imagine being able to travel back and fourth from Milky Way to andromeda! ❤❤ my brain is in a frenzy just anticipating. Also they could be forcing you to choose a character to play liara, Shepard, Scott Ryder, urdnot wrex. Probably impossible but still would be awesome!
I may just be wishing this into the audio from the teaser but it sounds like the Geth audio includes a kind of Reaper tone to it which could indicate that either the Devs assume Legion's upload was successful or that at least some of the "Heretics" survived. This really points towards either the synthesis or control endings as ME3 destroy ending indicated that all synthetic life was destroyed. Kinda reminds me of what they did with Deus Ex Invisible War. Of course BW can retcon any or all of this so I suppose my speculation is moot. Still hoping Shepard is a memory and not the next "Gordon Freeman".
Liara is not green. So not Synthesis.
Reapers do not build Relays. So no Control.
Synthetics can survive even in Destroy
Well Maxim, I'm not sure why my *opinion* would warrant you trolling me, but you could at least check your facts before doing so. First, the "green-tinge" in the cut scene of the EC Synthesis ending could've been for consistency with the choice (artistic aesthetic if you will) and could be retconned by the Devs as I pointed out in my comment. The Reapers *did* in fact construct the Mass Relays. Lastly, the Destroy ending eradicates all synthetic life in the galaxy, the catalyst says this before you choose the option and the ending slideshow reinforces it. Regardless, it's just my opinion. Maybe you're just having a bad day, and if so, that sucks and I'm really sorry. I sincerely hope it gets better. 🤗
So, here's some additional insanity inducing thoughts to add to this theory...
Time and space are interconnected through gravity. Dark matter and energy are massless and through EEZO are actually given negative mass. Ever consider what effect faster-than-light travel and negative mass would do to time?
The Protheons mastered the use of various exotic matter but, they weren't the only spacefaring empire at the time. There was also the Oravores. To stand up to the Protheans they had to have had at least somewhat comparable tech base. They were defeated, but notably, it wasn't said they were wiped out. What if, instead, they fled to the one place they could reasonably assume they wouldn't be followed; Dark Space.
Out there, somewhere, they detect the Reapers. All pointed towards the Milky Way.
Using their knowledge, they flee farther, to Andromeda. Use their tech to create the Scourge to ward their home from techno-organic threats and thus become an enemy of the Progenitors (who certainly seem to like techno-organics)
There are hundreds, if not thousands of clusters in Andromeda... That war could still be occurring, and Helios is just considered a sacrificial no man's land.
Best of all, given speed, mass, dark space and some rather interesting things that have been discovered in the years since the games came out, it really seems possible that while the Ai may have experienced 630~ years of travel, the rest of the universe may have experienced far, far less. Imagine if PeeBee tackles Ryder by way of greeting at the same moment Shepard decides the fate of the Reapers.
Needless to say, my favorite Sci-Fi is dipped in real world speculation.
That may be one of the most well thought out theories I have heard in a long time. I would be very happy if the story played out like that, even though I didn’t like Ryder or the Andromeda galaxy as a whole.
i think the scourge has made its way to the milky way.
This is actually a good theory though I remember watching a video saying how the geth turned mass relays into a telescope was a dumb plot point because it was written by someone who didn't understand the lore but regardless I just hope if they do the dark energy plot they keep it separate from the reapers or at least not make the reapers sympathetic.
really, really want to see the revival of Karpyshyn's idea in a new mass effect
Plus in the original teaser they do say “Ark Six away” seems to not be talked about much
MrHulthen this is such a good video and theory! I will need to keep re-watching this many times over and over. Please continue your amazing work buddy :)
So because Liara is now Doctor, Shadow Broker, and the Illusive Women. Cerberus is now building the mass relay on her behalf. And the teaser trailer with Liara walking on a frozen planet and finding the N7 helmet piece is just a subtle hint referencing Mass Effect 2 where Cerberus recovered Shepard's Body from a frozen planet and rebuilt him. Liara obviously recovered Shepard's body after Mass Effect 3 from the rubble and saved his life. Shepard is now retired, living as part of a rag tag crew of nomads, and nobody knows he's alive but your old crewmates. The game is gonna start off having you play a random person with your new crew always calling you by your nick name. Years later Liara is going to call and ask you to help her, one last time. Your character is going to remove his helmet and reveal it's an old Shepard. Boom! There's the start of the game.
So as i understand it, every relay needs a counterpart to the travel destination. Since the reaper-war in the milky way is long over when the initiative arrives in andromeda, there would be neiter time nor rescources or knowledge to build a relay in andromeda. I agree on the idea that this relay´s purpose ist to connect the two galaxies somehow, but i fear the magic plot mcguffin, that they will come up with both the relay problem and the survival of the geth. Mixed feeling with all this at best.
Synthesis is the only correct ending from me. I really hope they go either the green ending! It would be the most easy way to bring Shepard back. He is part of the all they would easily grow him a new body, and upload him into the body via gets technology.
I actually really like this idea. Something goes horrendously wrong in Andromeda via the Scourge and is basically a lost Galaxy. What's worse is that the Scourge is using Andromeda as a launching off pad to get to the Milky Way. The Geth + Liara manage to send a scout mission to check it out which saves the AI aswell as a few other races before the complete fall of Andromeda. Upon returning back to the MW, they learn that the AI discovered some new tech that could be used to bring back Shepherd. Bit of a stretch of an idea but would be dope imho.
Hot take : Shepard might simply not be interested in getting revived - again - purely to fix the galaxy's problems yet again. And frankly, it might not really feel right if you get the main spotlight back but some of the supporting cast that made it so great aren't there - Garrus, Kasumi, any character that doesn't have a lifespan ranging in the centuries will be gone(depending on the time skip's length, Wrex might also not be around.. not that we really know how long krogan naturally live). Unless Liara just so conveniently decided to freeze them in stasis pods or something like that and they all agreed to it, or she just ignored their personal wishes/freedom, which is very unlikely.
There's also the matter of closing off relationships. I don't think anyone's going to be happy if they don't have their chosen love interest present and only the Liara fans get theirs back, or they learn it through some lame holo-panel somewhere. Which could also apply to the companion characters in general... especially with the way some of them were treated in ME3. I despise the way Kasumi is literally present for about one minute on screen and half that time is nearly getting blown up by a big stupid jellyfish. I'd find it even more lame if all that was on her was some boring holo-panel telling me what happened after ME3 ended.
Another thing worth considering is that Shep might not be too interested in getting thrown back to life centuries into the future and finding that Garrus/Miranda/Jack/whoever isn't around if they were your choice for a romance.
Additionally, the theory, while good otherwise, doesn't really match up with the 'human defiance' dialogue. And there is nothing that prevents the Scourge thing from being discovered well before the Initiative makes it to Andromeda(which it might have been since the Jardaan have been gone for several centuries by the time any Milky Way travellers reach the galaxy).
That's not a very smart view. Doesn't make much sense.
Interesting theory. The devs will have to find a way to link both galaxies and stories after they teased it repeatedly. Will be interesting to see what they come up with. On a different note, on my recent play through of all four games I noticed that the design of the remnant technology looks very much like the style of the tech on the collector’s base in ME2. The consoles are very similar. Which got me thinking that the Remnant might have had a connection with the reapers and through them the collectors. Or the devs just reused old designs for Andromeda.
Before the release of Andromeda, the developers said that the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies
I thought the scourge only "reached out" towards remnant tech. Yes it can destroy all tech on contact but it only actively seeks out remnant. I can't see any reason for it to come to the milky way. Unless remnant tech was sent back but that would be hampered by time and distance. I think we are all overlooking the leviathan
It would definitely be an interesting way to bring back Ryder's character and sort of redeem them from MEA. Somehow they get Lumont Hayjer to join in on the squad
I really hope Ryder and his/her team gets another shot in the next game!! With better writing and etc it deserves a redemption story.
Good Theory, i also thought about this since i played MEA so at one time even Suvi talks about the geth and the fact that the technology for the Andromeda Project was taken or given to them by or from the geth(i dont remember the exact line).
I wish we would get more things when they say something about the next ME so we don't heave to talk over and over again about the same stuff its not a good thing for EA but i kind of hope a big leak or 2 drops in the first part of this year or official info from the devs.
Suvi said that information about Andromeda was stolen by the Quarians from the Heretic-Geth Super-Telescope.
There is an official Mass Effect: Discovery comic about this.
I actually wrote a theory about this about 6 months ago. I believe the Citadel's explosion of biotic energy spread throughout the entire universe. As dark matter reacts unconventionally with biotic energy, this caused the scourge to appear in Andromeda. As the Geth either stowed away with the initiative or were already exploring new lands, they got caught in between the Dark matter/biotic explosion and created the remnant.
Except that the Scourge appeared in Andromeda in the 2400s. 200 years after ME3.
The space station of the Remnants Khi Tasira was established in 1600 BC. The Geth were created in 1858 AD. That is, the Khi Tasira station was created 3458 years before the creation of the Geth
What a part of the Andromeda initiative was to build super Mass relay to get back to the Milky Way
I still think that the Geth talking to liara is Sheppards consciousness from the Geth mainframe.......
Look i want you to hear me out. I saw something really interesting about Shepard and the possibility he/she being alive in the next game. We all know about the destroy ending and Shepard takes a breath at the end and all this, soo in the Legendary edition they literaly change the whole cutscene and now is snowing like hell around him/her and as we know Liara is searching for someone in the snow, she even found the N7 thingy. Dig into this, can be something.
That is quite the catch! Thanks man!
Every mass relay is a relay, sure they must be able to connect to multiple relays to function the way they do, but they likely can't re-focus their aim to connect to any relay outside of a limited arc in degrees, thus, should you need a relay to any region of the galaxy not currently or previously having a relay there, you'd need to make a new relay to be able to get there and not having to spend months in FTL.
Also, each species would probably start making their own relays in some capacity for military reasons, as then they could assert dominance of any region that only has that relay for access. Also it'd likely be possible to detect incoming activity
I actually think it would have been an awesome story point in Andromeda if you arrived and you were no longer really pioneer's, because the rest of the Milky Way caught up with you in those 600 years of interim sleep. Then it would be like: "wow, was what I did even worth it?". But in any case, the Heleus Cluster is just one small section of Andromeda, it would be interesting to see outside that. Is the Scourge as all-encompassing? Is the Kett? If the MR7 is indeed constructed to force leap settlers to Heleus and Andromeda, how would the Angara feel about the Citadel races arriving en masse? Whats the chances that they'll feel threatened? Would the Kett return after the Archon's hijinks in the sector? It could be viewed that the stubbornness of the Angara to 'submit' would be seen as problematic by the Kett leadership despite the Archon's personal motivations. The Kett would surely be a bit alarmed at intergalactic travellers arriving in Heleus as well; especially given their previous alliance with the Angara. I think properly armed Citadel vessels would spook the hell out of the Kett. Andromeda Initiative was System's Alliance tech level at around what, ME2 timeframe? This was before Hydro-Thermodynamic Thanix cannon was more widely available other than select test prototypes; one must assume that these would be the *least* weapon specification on ships-of-the-line after 600+ years of development. I'm sure a lot of technology has been able to be reverse engineered from the various Reaper carcasses that litter the area (and I do believe that Destroy will be the canonical default state)
damn now this is what I want and will no doubt be dissapointed when it doesn't happen haha, good job as always sir
I still think that relay is obviously a Cerberus project. The illusive man may have died but Cerberus is still there. In fact, I think they are behind the assassination of the Andromeda project's founder. I think Cerberus had a plan to expand into Andromeda. This might be the central conflict tying the two galaxies together.
Hearing this theory made me realise something... considering that this theory is correct and peoople create some kinde o way to travel between adromeda and milk way, means that the "new" protagonist is most likely Ryder. Shepard's is dead...they need to fill that void with some new name in the milk way, who better to do that then someone whos already a hero to the colonists of andromeda ? i wish they bring shepard back but i dont see how.... they probrably will create a trilogy to Ryder just as they did to shepard... and Ryder beeing the protagonist once again will link the two story lines even more.
It can be brought back by the new Project Lazarus. Or he is in cryostasis.
About Ryder. Do you think Bioware (EA) will make the protagonist of a financially failed game the protagonist of the next game?
Let me remind you that after the MEA with Ryder, the ME series was frozen. Bioware have no right to take risks
I've been thinking about it:
-Asari can live over 1k years, but Liara was 106.
-The trailer hinted at a connection between Milky Way and Andromeda.
-The trip from Milky Way to Andromeda was 600 years, so no other teammate except for Liara (and Grunt) can be alive.
(Liara would be 700-800 and Grunt would be 600-700)
The Mass Relay in the trailer could probably be a connection between Milky Way and Andromeda.
I don't see any other reason to focus on the Relay in the trailer if it was just for Milky Way travel.
We might only have the Andromeda characters, Liara, Grunt, maybe some known Asari/Krogan/Geth, maybe someone frozen.
I really hope we get Shephard back; I wasn't into Ryder's storyline. Maybe if Andromeda had let me choose Ryder's background instead of shoving a storyline onto me I would have connected more with Ryder but I could never relate the way I could with the Shephard I actually built and created.
Now, this will sound a little far-fetched, but hear me out. What if dark matter alters/speeds-up time? Andromeda definitively confirms that Scourge was the main reason for Arks and Nexus being separated both in space *and* time. In ME2 destabilised dark matter *accelerated* processes happening in the sun. Could it be that in ME:A we simply aren't given a true timedate due to dark matter time alterations? If all processes are accelerated this could even explain the nods to galaxies merging at insane (for cosmic levels) speeds. This would be a great way to write ME:A canon out of a 600 year corner it was put in and wouldn't contradict basically anything already established.
UPD. Forgot Codex also confirms that dark energy is why the universe is floating apart at speeds higher than predicted.
Hah, you and I are thinking on the same lines here. I posted a very similar line of thought!
Listening to you makes me so hyped for this game and I hope it lives up to the name like the original trilogy (minus dat ending of course.)
Couldn't one of the Normandy crew go through a time machine and get Shepard back
No time bullshit pls would rather him be resurrected again than any time or multiverse crap
Have the love interest pull an Interstellar. Let them fly around a Black Hole for a little bit. And then have them save Shepard. Sounds full proof lol
@@noiminoimi1179 the comment was most likely a joke
@@arandomcrowe how would you know and probably not
My issues (and they're rather inconsequential generally speaking) is that I don't believe the timeline works. Like it or not light has a speed limit and looking at the Andromeda Galaxy from the Milky Way, you're looking at it as it was 2.5 Million years ago, not as it currently is. Unless this war between the Jardaan and the Opposition took place that long ago the Geth wouldn't see the Scourge. I also don't know how Ryder, his crew or anyone in the Andromeda Galaxy could make it back to the Milky Way, if we're making an experimental/new relay, you would need a second one already built in Andromeda to get back.
It's StarGate: Atlantis.
Humanity is using 'StarGate' technology to create a 'relay' bridge to unify the Milkyway and 'Pegasus' Galaxies.
To find and send support to the isolated 'Atlantis' party and, to confront the newly growing threat of the 'Wraith' who are consuming the galaxy after wiping out the 'Ancients'.
So yeah, what you said. ^^
I love this theory. It really does make so much sense. All this theorising for the new ME game is so much fun.
Gosh! This theory just makes me even more excited for the new ME game!! 🤩 Ah the possibilities ❤
Good idea which uses many things from across the Mass Effect universe. I wonder if Shepard has place in it.
I mean, if they do and it’s set at a similar time to Andromeda, then it kind of sucks for any Shepard that didn’t romance Liara.
This is a cool theory! When it comes to merging the Andromeda story with the Milky Way story, I've had a theory. Pretty much, in the new Milky Way games (however many that will be), the dark energy problem becomes too out of hand and it can't be stopped, so they have to leave the Milky way and use more Arks to transport survivors to the Andromeda Galaxy to start anew. If we're assuming that the new game isn't that long after Mass effect 3, say 5 years as an example, then that means if it takes the new Arks filled with refugees the same amount of time to reach the Andromeda Galaxy as the original Arks did, then it will also mean that when the story of Mass Effect Andromeda begins, the Refugee Arks will only be 5 years of travelling behind them. So, 5 years after the events of Mass Effect Andromeda, the Milky Way refugees will arrive at the Andromeda Galaxy, meaning that all of the characters we love in the original series can co-exist with the Andromeda characters without a 600 year time jump where only a few characters like Liara, Wrex and Grunt are alive.
There is something you don't know. Journalist Liana Rupert said in 2021 that the Bioware had confirmed to her that Liara would be old in the Next Mass Effect.
That is, Liara was not in cryostasis. She lived her own life. That is, no one flew anywhere.
And by the way. Even after the Reaper Harvest, billions of people survived. One Ark carries 20,000 people. Let me also remind you that huge resources were used to build the Arks. After the war with the Reapers, resources are limited. There are not enough resources to build many Arks. That is, billions of people will be left to the mercy of fate?
And I'll remind you. Codex ME1 states that modern races have explored the galaxy only 1% out of 100%.
99% unexplored. And there are dozens if not hundreds of aliens races. Are they all left to their mercy of fate?
@@user-wr7mb3ic7m If it really is confirmed that Liara will be old in the next game then fair enough.
Also in an apocalyptic scenario like the galaxy destroying itself, you can't save everyone. And you're point about the undiscovered species doesn't really work because you're also forgetting about all of the species in that 99% of unexplored milky way space that had no help against the reapers from us. This would be no different. And you're also then assuming that if the Arks were the only way they could escape, no matter how few they had, they wouldn't use them? And in doing so just condemn no one to survive? And with the Galaxy destroying itself, I doubt there will be that many survivors at all, perhaps a few billion in total, meaning that they would have to try and build as many Arks as possible in the time they have, however long that is they could build quite a few. Maybe they could do some ingenuity and start rigging their normal ships with cryo stations and stuff, meaning they wouldnt have to build so many new massive Arks
@@michaelphillips2329 O! I remembered. Bioware have mentioned that they are looking at old trilogy maps for new fights. That is, there will be battles in the Milky Way
The relays weren't repaired in the destroy ending. It actually shows the ships flying past a destroyed relay in the destroy ending but no repair
ahhh the potential of this just got me so hyped omg
Hello MrHulthen, love these sparkles of theory. This video made me realise that Andromeda had Quarian DLC canceled, and maybe this DLC would have explored what you mention in this Video. Thought ? maybe the subject for an other video ? Cheers
It's interesting that Liara can even have a conversation with the Geth at all. Because if the Destroy ending to ME3 was canon, all synthetics were supposedly wiped out (including the Geth). And we do see that the Mass Relays were blown up, so the Destroy ending has to be the canon ending Bioware went with. My guess is that Liara was able to re-activate damaged Geth after the Relays chain reaction. Or perhaps some Geth were outside the blast radius in dark space and managed to evade the explosion. But yeah, I do believe the new Mass Relay being built is to link the Milky Way to Andromeda. But that would also mean that the people in Andromeda would also need to build a Mass Relay even equal magnitude to be able to send ships back and forth between galaxies
Here’s a thought - maybe this mass relay leads to a part of the galaxy where the Kett or Jardaan are operating or perhaps to their galaxy and they become they become the big bads of this new trilogy. I can see that as a way of bridging Andromeda with the rest of their series.
Couple of questions. 1) Are the Jardaan an offshoot of the Reapers? Reason I ask is in this video at about 4:21 (goes by very quick) you see Alec and behind him a remnant/jaardan console which looks exactly like a reaper. I believe this part is near the end of the game and I noticed it then but never thought much of it.
2) Even if the mass relay that is being built is to travel to Andromeda, wouldn't there need to be another one in Andromeda that it has to link to? So wouldn't it be pointless unless they've managed to build one there too?
1. Before the release of Andromeda, the developers said that the Reapers are not interested in other Galaxies;
2. Agree
Wouldn’t be 2023 without a theory video
Heck yeah