Thinking back to the 1982 footage, there's nothing alien in this map. Fantastic recreation - the browns, greys, and blues. Wish there was a Scottish map ;)
Yep, exactly this. I could recognize multiple landmarks and areas! And I've only seen pictures in books and videos about the war. That's remarkable. With the weather set to a matching preset the islands look incredibly real.
Yesterday my wingman and i took off from our carrier far East atlantic ocean, two a/a refuels and landed 2 hours and a half later on another carrier in the Pacific. That's what we were looking for👍
Good review, I am definitely happy to have it in the game. I think dcs need to be cautious not to follow fs with map texturing, but happy to see where the team can take it from here. For the scope of project & the number of developers on it I'm pretty impressed with the early access state
I picked this map up today and flew around the Falklands in a Mirage and on and off HMS Invincible in a Huey. I like it so far and will continue to explore it. Frame rates dropped a bit in some locations but it opens up a lot of possibilities. It really calls for a Sea Harrier and other period assets but it’s a good start.
I also spent 4.5 months down South, from November 86- March 87, based out of Fox Bay, West Falklands, and it's barren, inhospitable and downright brutal during the 4 seasons daily changes, I deployed mostly to Mount Alice EW , but did regular foot patrols all over West Falklands, and loved Saunders Island Patrol(s) the best. I'd question the Patagonia side of stuff, and also spent time in X Region of Chile, and at times the tree lines started almost at sea level, not bought the map yet, I will, I knew from the get go this wasn't going to be the Caucus or Syria type detail, and anyone with a bit of knowledge of South America/South Atlantic would also know it's not known for it's populated regions !!
New places to fly are always good. I appreciate something very different and a bold project. I also like to do longer missions so I'm pleased all round.
Your video convinced me to pick this one up. I thought it was a cool, new location ripe for missions, but I was on the fence due to some things I had been hearing. I knew it was EA and a small development team, so I expected it to be a work in progress, but you sold me on taking that leap. Thanks.
Excellent, thanks! I spent many months down there as well with 16RA deployed as the RRB (resident rapier battery for all not in the know ;p ) Want it just for the fond memories but will wait :) My job was communicating with the guys deployed with Rapier and co-ording them when the Taiphoons played red aircraft (or were we playing opfor AD?), so we may have been exercising "against" each other! Good times...
I love this map. Even as is. I’ve cobbled together a mission that starts off with a runway strike at Stanley (in Harriers, of course), return to ‘Hermes’ - actually Tarawa - and then rearm with sidewinders only and defend a landing at San Carlos against A4 (using the mod) and Mirage ground attack. Ok, my mission creation is rubbish and I’m using a few mods like HMAS Vampire as destroyers - the default ones trash the A4s before they can drop anything. If I squint and ignore the versions of the vehicles it looks like news footage from 1982. Also, those glaciers! Gorgeous!
thanks for the review, haven flown over the Scottish highlands for years (sadly only in a Cessna 172 unlike your Tornado F3!) its looks Scottish enough for me so im buying it tonight !
I'm thinking there's even more potential than mentioned in the video. S3 getting new textures? Hmmm. Perhaps sub hunting in a Combat Hoover? Or how about this? Perhaps a combined arms like module, where you have live captains at the helm of the ships in a task force? There are LOTS of different avenues this could go down. This theatre could be the start of something VERY big
While I appreciate the effort of the mapmakers it just feels wrong to spend 55 euros on just a map when the flight simulator includes literally all of earth on a level to be bearable when you're doing air to air combat.
problem is with helicopters where you are closer to the ground...That problem is important for South Atlantic but can be overcome because the map is handcrafted but will be huge for FS2020 now that they have announced helicopters during the Xbox conference and I don't know how they will overcome that...
Well I have been looking forward to this map for a while. I have flown over the area and can say it looks enough like Norway in places that I downloaded the German warship mod and will be doing some missions with my friends looking for the Tirpitz in Norway.
Ithink your comments here sum up my opinion of the map perfectly. I also run on an old PC that I'm unlikely to be able to upgrade for a while so the sheer performance I was getting while bombing low level over the Falklands in a helicopter was really nice. I've already started playing around with turning Dunnose Head into a FARP using the invisible heliports.
Thoughtful and objective review. DCS should sell a Mosquito/South Atlantic or AV-8B/South Atlantic bundle. As a very new DCS your videos have become essential viewing. I was sorry to hear you will be taking a step back but with the help of your videos I have joined the discord group and will "take the leap" to multiplayer once my flight proficiency has improved.
Thank you for making a fair assessment of the map.. I bought it on release, and tbh, the size is big, textures are a bit iffy, and the weather is awesome.. I know this is early access and will be in development for a while.. But I find it still worth it..
Thanks for the review, to put into perspective, it's imposible do not love what is representing the map, they are giving us the chance of fly over my land, just fly over the Andes, Perito Moreno, Ushuaia, etc, is outstanding, I never thought that we could have even the chance to do it in our favourite combat sim. I'm pretty aware of release status and the condition of the development, the only critisism is the price at this EA stage, is one of the expensives modules over the DCS platform, for some people it cost, is an investmen hard to do. As I said, I love the area, have finally the chance to recreate some historical fights over the islands, but I will patiently wait for it, even if the map is pure feeling for me, I'll give it time, and maybe take advantage over a juicy offer, and of course, make some room in the disk. Regards.
Falkland war campaign is in construction, First mission 01may1982 is more or less finished. I'm so happy to have the map now. The possibilities to make a falkland campaign is worth the money. A "Move Order" Helicopter campaign is also on schedule.
I think it's a stunning map and I'm looking forward to purchasing it in the future when it's more complete. However I think you were being quite generous with the performance. One of the members of our group who bought it has had unplayable frame rates in several sections of the map. Given his performance is usually rock solid in any liberation campaigns we try, with his high end pc, 1080p monitor and history of streaming previous campaigns. This has led most of our group to hold off until significant performance improvements are made. To be getting rough performance prior to putting any units in is not a great start. Especially if performance will prevent full scale campaigns being utilised on this map which I agree it's perfect for.
When I helped RAZBAM over a year ago they were testing a variety of rigs for VR and non-VR, high and medium spec PCs were in the list of rigs being tested
@@TacticalPascale Was that prior to the major expansion beyond the Falkland islands? A lot of reports from the community and members of our group is that the performance sits between Syria and Marianas. The latter nobody uses partly because the performance is so poor and Syria becomes unusable in high unit scenarios such as a big liberation mission.
I can see it as a great map for Viggen drivers - screaming through the valleys or mach 1 at wavetop height over the sea to attack shipping in San Carlos Bay.
Great review, and thanks for the insight! I can definitely see the potential, but as a guy who sometimes drops down to 40's fps on Syria in 1080 (recently HAD to downgrade from 1440 for performance) I have a feeling it just isn't in the cards for me until a new cpu/gpu falls into my lap.
The "early access" excuse only carries so much weight when they said they've worked on this for 4 years and it's this incomplete at a price that can get you a complete aircraft module that you can play on anything. There is also no guarantee that RAZBAM will ultimately follow through with fixes when this map is already so poorly received; especially with the knowledge that RAZBAM works incredibly slow and inefficiently to begin with. Product releases like this make me question if the F-15E will be as equally incomplete and lacking of proper dedication and love.
with a ryzen 7, a RTX3600, 32Go of ram and a SSD, I have big performance issues on this map but as you said, it's early access and hope things will get better with time because regardless of the issue, I love this map...
Things I wish they included in this map are dug in artillery positions, a trench network shell scrapes and the like so we have stuff of proper interest to bomb. Would of been nice to see this video using a typical weather pattern from the Falklands instead of a nice sunny calm day lol.
Thanks for your review. Do you have some weather pre-sets, which would fit best for the area, like cloud setup, clould celling, temperature, wind speed and direction, fog setup etc. pp. so mission designer get a foot init?
Hi, i'm new to dcs and about to buy my first modules/terrain this map jumps out to me. Is there single player missions/multi-player campaigns currently for this? i'v seen on the dcs website that users can make missions etc but i couldn't find any....will this change in time or was i not looking correctly
Thanks for the great review. I have the map and while interesting and I too see the potential, I wonder how many DCS players relish the idea of flying an hour...refuel...fly another hour to a target and back...refuel and head for home? I know that is what is like in real life and the map has the potential for those types of missions... but I suspect that what we will see are shorter range scenarios over small select portions of the map....as in my experience in DCS, most will not like really long flights...especially in multiplayer.... time will tell. I think the scenery is beautiful and stunning in places too. My only negatives are performance issues at low level...but with optimization that should improve...and I was hoping for some sheep and penguins to liven up the landscape :-)
Really was looking forward to this map, very excited to see how it is in a few months or when leaving early access. In its current state is rather concerning for me, the map was delayed a lot yet there is still soooooo much nowhere near finished for me to be comfortable buying; i simply can't see them completing it to the current scope. I know the original scope was just to include the Falkland's themselves but vast majority of the SA American continent is nowhere near completion on their map progress map, just by the sheer size of that area I cannot fathom how it ever will be done. The size of the map is also worrying, they've stated they cant use full detailed textures or it would be 250gb yet its already 70 with so much incomplete, surely its going to balloon in size or sacrifice details. Furthermore Falklands war era options are important for me, they've said this will be supported in the future but with so much other stuff yet to be completed, once again I cannot see it being done in a reasonable timeframe. The asset pack is also rather underwhelming, while i am begrudging to complain about free stuff its a weird mix including a lot of pre falklands war ships, (though the blame may lie with ED) upon release a lot of the weapon systems of these assets are incomplete or not working fully. Really hoping this map is successful but i fear they've feature creeped the scope and size of it far too much.
0:26 Now you have me jealous. How fast have you been? ^^ Also think the map is worth it. Different enough to the other maps and as stated, it's (probably by far) not finished yet.
All I noticed was some contrails like things at the side of the cockpit and a kick in the but when the afterburners were on….and the lovely wings weep of course
What's next? DCS: Saskatchewan? $60 for the Syria map is already high enough. But compared to this insignificant and boring piece of land, Syria has to offer so much more when it comes to conflicts and history, and scenery as well. Haifa, Beirut, Damascus, Adana, Aleppo, many detailed famous cities.The iraq expansion alone offers more value for me personally, than the damn falkland islands or the entire south atlantic map as a whole. I don't like it at all that they want to ask $70 for a couple villages and small airports in one of the most deserted places on this planet. The map is incompatible with most modules, in contrast to Syria and PG. Saving my money for WWII Marianas+Afghanistan, and hopefully a SEA and a desert storm map. In the end it's the lack of historic events and "cultural significance" that keeps me from buying the south atlantic map, not visual/quality issues.
@@medienprojekt5214 apparently you're not ! Your comments are disingenuous and your knowledge of the Region is on par too, all modules are co,compatible IF you use your imagination, which most people do on all the current maps as it is. Again, don't like it, don't buy it, though I do agree on your expansion of the Syria Map to Include more Iraq , but having been there too, Western Iraq is........flat barren and boring, very little in the way of built up areas, even Al Asad AB is in the middle of nowhere !!
Like this map a lot. Adds variety to the gameplay. Speaking of gameplay: I think, the only flaw of this region is, its not a much contested part of the world with high tensions between local- or super- powers. Scenarios have to relay heavy on imagination besides the falkland war. The terrain itself is fantastic.
Is Syria contested by superpowers, the Marianas or the Persian gulf? Carriers aren’t allowed in the Black Sea so that scenario is a work of fiction. The islands and surrounding regions allow for huge potential, suspension of reality is required as it currently is for most other maps.
This is a great review video! Thanks so much. This map certainly looks amazing. I have to wonder ... do you think the devs are Viggen fans bois ...? ... LOL The Viggen was BORN for this map!!!! Very nice! Yea, it's early access but hopefully the devs will continue to update it. The potential it has to offer ... only limited by our imagination.
I have it, bought it first day...and even though its waaaay beta acces it will eventually *HOPEFULLY* be a great map. Right now though, my first impression is that its barely playable in VR (I get 30fps in 2D at Gallegos in the A-10), but yeah it needs a LOOOOOT of work. Only 4 or 5 real airports in the map right now, and 2 of them are heliports. It may be the biggest map so far, but its severely limited at the moment.
Im more wishing they would chill out on the ground detail or make the lower settings not look so horrendous, we're still on the tail end of GPU insanity
More reason to look forward to future monthly patches! Imagine all the DCS RUclips content creators making South Atlantic Update videos on future upgrades and enhancements to the map. It is free marketing! Lol.... Just my positive spin on things...I bought the map, happy to wait for July!!!!
Im starting to Enjoy the Map, Never been there at all.. I was Royal Signals in Bosnia 1995/6 injured out and retired in 2002. I got this map in the first hours of it being announced... My first impressions were not good to be honest.. That said - I have come to appreciate and enjoy it.. I just yesterday found the Sheep ! I have found that this map is somewhat heavy on the GPU and I have a 3070Ti - 64 GB ram - i9900K processor - 4 SSD of which 2 are M.2.... You are 100% Correct that this is indeed Early access - erm white grass as snow ? Anyhew, the one other thing im a little bit dismayed about - in july it goes down to 5C - Im not sure but I think thats not quite right... All in all - A Good Map that has the Potential to be Amazing... Looking forward to future updates and Other Packs Shipping Packs and Vehicles etc.... Oh and Great to hear someone from the Home land - Im Originally from Mintlaw !!!!!! Aye ... TTFN M8...
Bought it, had a good fly-around, and hoping my squadron might do something with it. But, super struggling with the textures, lots of areas that make me reminisce of FSX's satellite imagery. What Razbam could do, is send someone with a fixed-wing mapping drone to the Falklands, even if it is just high traffic areas like Port Stanley, airports, and anywhere with a 50m reasonably flat run to take off and land. Might even be an RC model hobbyist already on the island to do it (it's really not hard, the software does 99.9% of it for you). Wouldn't be bank-breaking at all and would make a world of difference!! Do suspect this will sit for a while on my install until they do some more work on it. For heli pilot's ... I can't recommend.
I found my performance tanked below 2000ft in VR. 32GB RAM, 9900K and 2080TI Water cooled. There needs to be more Airfields on the western Falklands island for the East vs West to be a thing.
"Early Access" is a cop out - look at how many modules in the libray/store that are still in EA after years and years of being available without any end-goal. ED should enforce a max EA period of two years to full release... but saying that they are one of the worst offenders. In regards to the SA map - they should have done as Urga Media did with the Syria map - started small and gradually expanded as areas became more polished. The Falklands, whilst yes I would agree that the islands are mostly complete - none of the building have had any sort of ambient occlusion shadows added to them do not have that monopoly house appearance. They keep stating "every object has been hand placed on the map" but they have blatantly - in areas that are of interest in a relatively barren landscape - been misplaced, for example Mt. Kent base - they have placed a whopping big antenna, right on top of the helipad for the base?! You can clearly see the "H" in the centre of the square pad right underneath the base of the mast. I don't really care for the glaciers and the valleys in the remote areas of the SW parts of Chile - but for a fairly high profile area of the map that has been marked as "80-100% complete" to have such glaringly and blantant mistakes is unacceptable and I've lost a lot of confidence in the team.
Sadly its true what your saying, ED has to pickup their slack. Important topics like Vulkan / Performance / Terrain quality / Legacy code. I know its not fair to compare a Sim engine with a Unreal Engine 5, but the difference in visuals and performance are day and night. If ED is continuing this path, i will lose interest eventually. I have to many modules which are still in Early Access or are released but still feel unfinished.The AV8B, my first purchase back in 2017 is still having a major overhaul.
Thanks for the tour but the map isn’t worth it to me yet, will wait to see if they will continue to improve on such a fantastic land area or let it hibernate like many of the other modules they have developed . Best of luck to them…
South Atlantic would be worth it, if it weren't for all that landscape covered with low res textures. In it's current state it's so ugly to justify that price tag. I guess it's better to wait how it would turn out in graphics and performance after the development is mostly complete.
Interesting region, not a needed map. Yes the Falklands war blah blah... give us Iraq, Afganistan, Vietnam... anything. This is another Channel/Nevada map imo. I'd rather they used more of the existing maps area or polished existing maps.
I'd take Vietnam over any other map. Afghanistan and Iraq - meh, until they improve the ground war. The channel map is excellent imo, one of the most important areas that have ever had pilots dueling in air to air combat. The Falklands too is one of the most recent regions that saw air to air combat. Its opportunities in DCS are vast.
Until ED make trees destructible a Vietnam map would be the most frustratingly annoying map with the enemy safe from us thanks to a tripple canopy we can't penetrate.
@@TacticalPascale they recently did. Infantry got way better at route finding. Line formation now uses leap frogging and a couple weeks ago they finally adjusted the infantry damage model so you do no longer require a headshot to kill an insurgent with a rocket. I'd personally looooove to have an Afghanistan map. Good mix of different landscapes, recent conflict and 80ies era invasion, matches a lot(!) of the modules we currently have in DCS...
Map should've been smaller, quality over quantity i would say, or at least do it for the pilots who fly helicopters. They should've at least aimed for Persian Gulf quality of textures. Not worth 55 and even 65 dollars in my opinion. Its 2022 guys please. Hopefully the Sinai map won't disappoint.
Cela reste répétitif en matière de carte, il faudrait vraiment penser a des cartes sur un territoire de type Afrique ou similaire, ici nos cartes restent souvent les mêmes. manque de la verdure, des jungles, ou je ne sais quoi, mais marre du desert
This is a hugely sub par map. The textures and overall look remind me of Caucus map from DCS 1.0! Of course I can see the potential scenarios possible but the map is simply very bad quality! I bought it on release and my god was it a let down! The asset pack was something I wanted and it’s being released as part of an update so everyone will get access (which I think is a fair move). 55 euros is too much for this. Syria is 100 times better and Mariana’s is also light years ahead and it’s free! Forget whining about early access and chants of it will improve! the South American portion of the map is absolute bollox! just my view but for those on a budget this ain’t worth it!
Painted polygons everywhere. Ground textures (e.g. mountains) have not really improved much since the late 1990s, the maps have just got bigger. Port Stanley looks comical at ground level.
It seems to me, the "hate" faction pretty much focuses on the "heavily work in progress" part of the map. Like if someone would review the Syria map based on western Iraq, the south fringes below Palmyra and things like the city of Afrin... There is always enough bad parts to be found, if you look long enough. The thing that's up to us, is, to find the beautiful spots and details, rather than search for the (obviously) bad parts. I still need a review showing the gras strips around the islands, especially the beauty one at Lorenzo Farm, or the Argentine forward base on Pebble Island, or Pleasant Harbor, or the nice sources of creeks and rivers, or anything else I forgot or haven't seen, yet. There was a complaint about the "tiles" like look in the Argentine cities. Well, look at them (Google Maps), that's what they have done in real life. Checkerboards with standard houses, embedded in a street grid, on large parts. But people have more fun bashing stuff, than enjoying what we have already, it seems to me. I mean, yes, I am not blind to the textures in some places, neither did I miss the coastline blending still in need of some love, but for an early access with such a huge and diverse(!!!) landscape it is pretty good. And Specter and the team were very open about the things still in the works and where they will improve later. They communicated that in interviews, on the discord and release notes. So I love the detailed parts, like the WIP parts, with the outlook on what they can be in the future. Btw. there are seemingly more airports in the works already on the mainland... On the Falklands I found 5 Gras strips and bases, not in the F10 map, yet. East of Ushuaia at Puerto Williams is an airfield it seems. And at Tolhuin another airport that looks like it already got some love...
I think they fail to see that this is not a South America map. This is a Falklands map plus some South American airfields to make it more useful. IMHO Razbam did clearly communicate this in their blogs and those are the areas that are full detail.
@@kilianortmann9979 Sure, but they didn't call it the Falklands map, they called it the South Atlantic map and I can see people rightfully expecting more because of it.
well , i just bought It without seeing any review. I don't believe ED would let anything be really THAT bad....i LOVE the Harrier and it wasn't perfect on release either.....
First to all thank you for the video. But a map where 70% of the content is sea, and the rest has 4/5 small towns/airports. A map with half the content of the map of Syria. Are they going to charge us at that price? Not with my money! Are Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM fooling us?
as Pascal said, you don't have to buy it. There's no room for outrage here, if you don't think it s a good deal, don't buy it. Same as all other DLC content in DCS. you'll miss nothing you aren't interested in. can't be any better than that.
@@launchsquidI have the feeling that you don't like my opposition, ooooh poor thing... Something I don't give a damn about. If you don't like my opinion hide it, but as a consumer I have the right and the duty to complain when I consider something to be an abuse. It doesn't even bring a new pilotable plane, you're going to have to simulate the war of the Mavinas with current planes, for that we already have the Marianas map... Of course I won't buy it. The price of the map is absolute nonsense.
so another half baked laggy pooch screw that cost as much as buying a whole other game. like fs2020 for instance. why don't they just fix the issues they already have instead of creating new problems that will also go unresolved
Great review, and thanks for pointing out some aspects of its continued development. I love the SA map too, and I absolutely enjoy its 'forbidding' quality; however, I am from the Pacific Northwest (Seattle, US) and probably biased towards poetically rocky and foggy beaches, as opposed to the sunny radiated California/Florida beaches. I'm quite amazed that I frequently run across statements of how this map doesn't have much campaign potential (excluding the Falkland Wars). For me, l see it as a great map for campaigns between China and the West/NATO. With all the business corruption (oil, diamonds, agriculture) China is practicing in South America, along with the potential political unrest, from some SA politicians supporting such corruption, the map has potential for great SA campaigns. Please, you guys, don't take this as a 'political' post. Just trying to add more flavor to DCS campaigns. If interested in the SA map for potential campaign/mission building, here are a couple of links that gave me some ideas, and may help out -if you're looking for a kick-start. www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-influence-latin-america-argentina-brazil-venezuela-security-energy-bri ruclips.net/video/sOOFSJqBYTY/видео.html
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Thinking back to the 1982 footage, there's nothing alien in this map. Fantastic recreation - the browns, greys, and blues. Wish there was a Scottish map ;)
Yep, exactly this. I could recognize multiple landmarks and areas! And I've only seen pictures in books and videos about the war. That's remarkable. With the weather set to a matching preset the islands look incredibly real.
Yesterday my wingman and i took off from our carrier far East atlantic ocean, two a/a refuels and landed 2 hours and a half later on another carrier in the Pacific.
That's what we were looking for👍
Superb summary, which precisely reflects my thoughts, including your conclusion. Very well done, Pascal!
Thank you
Good review, I am definitely happy to have it in the game. I think dcs need to be cautious not to follow fs with map texturing, but happy to see where the team can take it from here. For the scope of project & the number of developers on it I'm pretty impressed with the early access state
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Flight sim
I picked this map up today and flew around the Falklands in a Mirage and on and off HMS Invincible in a Huey. I like it so far and will continue to explore it. Frame rates dropped a bit in some locations but it opens up a lot of possibilities. It really calls for a Sea Harrier and other period assets but it’s a good start.
Thank you for the review. Already have purchased the map, even if it is not yet available to stable version, and I can't wait to fly there.
Hope you enjoy it!
I'm loving it. Sure, it has some issues (it IS in early access, after all) but the size is amazing, and is going to be a lot of fun.
Fingers crossed!
I also spent 4.5 months down South, from November 86- March 87, based out of Fox Bay, West Falklands, and it's barren, inhospitable and downright brutal during the 4 seasons daily changes, I deployed mostly to Mount Alice EW , but did regular foot patrols all over West Falklands, and loved Saunders Island Patrol(s) the best.
I'd question the Patagonia side of stuff, and also spent time in X Region of Chile, and at times the tree lines started almost at sea level, not bought the map yet, I will, I knew from the get go this wasn't going to be the Caucus or Syria type detail, and anyone with a bit of knowledge of South America/South Atlantic would also know it's not known for it's populated regions !!
New places to fly are always good. I appreciate something very different and a bold project. I also like to do longer missions so I'm pleased all round.
Your video convinced me to pick this one up. I thought it was a cool, new location ripe for missions, but I was on the fence due to some things I had been hearing. I knew it was EA and a small development team, so I expected it to be a work in progress, but you sold me on taking that leap. Thanks.
As more people develop things we’re going to have some pretty cool scenarios. Especially with the asset pack being released
Excellent, thanks! I spent many months down there as well with 16RA deployed as the RRB (resident rapier battery for all not in the know ;p )
Want it just for the fond memories but will wait :)
My job was communicating with the guys deployed with Rapier and co-ording them when the Taiphoons played red aircraft (or were we playing opfor AD?), so we may have been exercising "against" each other!
Good times...
I was a 303su boy “Griffin”….when I wasn’t up the mountains
I love this map. Even as is. I’ve cobbled together a mission that starts off with a runway strike at Stanley (in Harriers, of course), return to ‘Hermes’ - actually Tarawa - and then rearm with sidewinders only and defend a landing at San Carlos against A4 (using the mod) and Mirage ground attack. Ok, my mission creation is rubbish and I’m using a few mods like HMAS Vampire as destroyers - the default ones trash the A4s before they can drop anything. If I squint and ignore the versions of the vehicles it looks like news footage from 1982. Also, those glaciers! Gorgeous!
Looks just how I remember it, right down to being able to find my room at MPA
Same, long long corridors eh
thanks for the review, haven flown over the Scottish highlands for years (sadly only in a Cessna 172 unlike your Tornado F3!) its looks Scottish enough for me so im buying it tonight !
Very West Coast looking
I'm thinking there's even more potential than mentioned in the video. S3 getting new textures? Hmmm. Perhaps sub hunting in a Combat Hoover? Or how about this? Perhaps a combined arms like module, where you have live captains at the helm of the ships in a task force? There are LOTS of different avenues this could go down. This theatre could be the start of something VERY big
While I appreciate the effort of the mapmakers it just feels wrong to spend 55 euros on just a map when the flight simulator includes literally all of earth on a level to be bearable when you're doing air to air combat.
problem is with helicopters where you are closer to the ground...That problem is important for South Atlantic but can be overcome because the map is handcrafted but will be huge for FS2020 now that they have announced helicopters during the Xbox conference and I don't know how they will overcome that...
I'm looking forward to spending some time flying around Cape Horn.
Best SA Review thus far mate!😊
Thanks honey
Well I have been looking forward to this map for a while. I have flown over the area and can say it looks enough like Norway in places that I downloaded the German warship mod and will be doing some missions with my friends looking for the Tirpitz in Norway.
I can see a Maverick challenge with the canyon/fjords. Travel along the river below a certain altitude to avoid SAMs.
Ithink your comments here sum up my opinion of the map perfectly. I also run on an old PC that I'm unlikely to be able to upgrade for a while so the sheer performance I was getting while bombing low level over the Falklands in a helicopter was really nice. I've already started playing around with turning Dunnose Head into a FARP using the invisible heliports.
I can’t wait to see what people come up with
Thoughtful and objective review. DCS should sell a Mosquito/South Atlantic or AV-8B/South Atlantic bundle. As a very new DCS your videos have become essential viewing. I was sorry to hear you will be taking a step back but with the help of your videos I have joined the discord group and will "take the leap" to multiplayer once my flight proficiency has improved.
Don’t worry, it was a break as my life became ludicrously busy and stressful. More DCS content soon enough.
@@TacticalPascale Great news - looking forward to it. 👍
thats the review i was looking for, honest
Thank you for making a fair assessment of the map..
I bought it on release, and tbh, the size is big, textures are a bit iffy, and the weather is awesome..
I know this is early access and will be in development for a while..
But I find it still worth it..
Can't be any worse than LOMAC textures. What a big map! There's scope here for all sorts of shenanagins! :D
Thanks for the review, to put into perspective, it's imposible do not love what is representing the map, they are giving us the chance of fly over my land, just fly over the Andes, Perito Moreno, Ushuaia, etc, is outstanding, I never thought that we could have even the chance to do it in our favourite combat sim. I'm pretty aware of release status and the condition of the development, the only critisism is the price at this EA stage, is one of the expensives modules over the DCS platform, for some people it cost, is an investmen hard to do. As I said, I love the area, have finally the chance to recreate some historical fights over the islands, but I will patiently wait for it, even if the map is pure feeling for me, I'll give it time, and maybe take advantage over a juicy offer, and of course, make some room in the disk. Regards.
Marmite map maybe. I love it
Good review 👍
Heard anything about when the Harrier GR3 module is likely to be released?
Now THAT would be a good reason to get this map! 😂
Falkland war campaign is in construction, First mission 01may1982 is more or less finished. I'm so happy to have the map now. The possibilities to make a falkland campaign is worth the money. A "Move Order" Helicopter campaign is also on schedule.
Save me a harrier slot
I think it's a stunning map and I'm looking forward to purchasing it in the future when it's more complete. However I think you were being quite generous with the performance.
One of the members of our group who bought it has had unplayable frame rates in several sections of the map.
Given his performance is usually rock solid in any liberation campaigns we try, with his high end pc, 1080p monitor and history of streaming previous campaigns. This has led most of our group to hold off until significant performance improvements are made.
To be getting rough performance prior to putting any units in is not a great start. Especially if performance will prevent full scale campaigns being utilised on this map which I agree it's perfect for.
When I helped RAZBAM over a year ago they were testing a variety of rigs for VR and non-VR, high and medium spec PCs were in the list of rigs being tested
@@TacticalPascale Was that prior to the major expansion beyond the Falkland islands?
A lot of reports from the community and members of our group is that the performance sits between Syria and Marianas.
The latter nobody uses partly because the performance is so poor and Syria becomes unusable in high unit scenarios such as a big liberation mission.
No, they’ve had 15 different testers throughout the whole process, with varying levels of rig.
I think the ground detail will be beneficial in the future if they decide to update Combined Arms
Don't forget to mention the awesome helicopter modules
I can see it as a great map for Viggen drivers - screaming through the valleys or mach 1 at wavetop height over the sea to attack shipping in San Carlos Bay.
I’ll be there waiting on CAP 😁
Great review, and thanks for the insight! I can definitely see the potential, but as a guy who sometimes drops down to 40's fps on Syria in 1080 (recently HAD to downgrade from 1440 for performance) I have a feeling it just isn't in the cards for me until a new cpu/gpu falls into my lap.
The "early access" excuse only carries so much weight when they said they've worked on this for 4 years and it's this incomplete at a price that can get you a complete aircraft module that you can play on anything. There is also no guarantee that RAZBAM will ultimately follow through with fixes when this map is already so poorly received; especially with the knowledge that RAZBAM works incredibly slow and inefficiently to begin with. Product releases like this make me question if the F-15E will be as equally incomplete and lacking of proper dedication and love.
with a ryzen 7, a RTX3600, 32Go of ram and a SSD, I have big performance issues on this map but as you said, it's early access and hope things will get better with time because regardless of the issue, I love this map...
Things I wish they included in this map are dug in artillery positions, a trench network shell scrapes and the like so we have stuff of proper interest to bomb.
Would of been nice to see this video using a typical weather pattern from the Falklands instead of a nice sunny calm day lol.
Great review nice job!!!
Thank you
Thanks for your review.
Do you have some weather pre-sets, which would fit best for the area, like cloud setup, clould celling, temperature, wind speed and direction, fog setup etc. pp. so mission designer get a foot init?
Weather: 30-60kt+ winds, low cloud base, overcast. Temp: single digits
Hi, i'm new to dcs and about to buy my first modules/terrain this map jumps out to me. Is there single player missions/multi-player campaigns currently for this? i'v seen on the dcs website that users can make missions etc but i couldn't find any....will this change in time or was i not looking correctly
Thanks for the great review. I have the map and while interesting and I too see the potential, I wonder how many DCS players relish the idea of flying an hour...refuel...fly another hour to a target and back...refuel and head for home? I know that is what is like in real life and the map has the potential for those types of missions... but I suspect that what we will see are shorter range scenarios over small select portions of the map....as in my experience in DCS, most will not like really long flights...especially in multiplayer.... time will tell. I think the scenery is beautiful and stunning in places too. My only negatives are performance issues at low level...but with optimization that should improve...and I was hoping for some sheep and penguins to liven up the landscape :-)
Sheep, penguins and Orca
Good video, but then I like all your videos. Fair and balanced and I agree with pretty much all your points.
Thanks for watching them
I bought it day 1 for those mountains. I think they are stunning. I haven't seen any Orcas yet.. i really dont know where to look for them.
Not in the mountains, 100% of wild Orca live in the sea 😁
@@TacticalPascale LOL you know what i mean, you crazy kid :p
😁
Really was looking forward to this map, very excited to see how it is in a few months or when leaving early access.
In its current state is rather concerning for me, the map was delayed a lot yet there is still soooooo much nowhere near finished for me to be comfortable buying; i simply can't see them completing it to the current scope. I know the original scope was just to include the Falkland's themselves but vast majority of the SA American continent is nowhere near completion on their map progress map, just by the sheer size of that area I cannot fathom how it ever will be done. The size of the map is also worrying, they've stated they cant use full detailed textures or it would be 250gb yet its already 70 with so much incomplete, surely its going to balloon in size or sacrifice details. Furthermore Falklands war era options are important for me, they've said this will be supported in the future but with so much other stuff yet to be completed, once again I cannot see it being done in a reasonable timeframe. The asset pack is also rather underwhelming, while i am begrudging to complain about free stuff its a weird mix including a lot of pre falklands war ships, (though the blame may lie with ED) upon release a lot of the weapon systems of these assets are incomplete or not working fully.
Really hoping this map is successful but i fear they've feature creeped the scope and size of it far too much.
I good with it as most things take awhile to work bought and glad I did.
Thank you, a good review. Pretty much my opinion.
0:26 Now you have me jealous. How fast have you been? ^^
Also think the map is worth it. Different enough to the other maps and as stated, it's (probably by far) not finished yet.
1.13and it was….underwhelming
@@TacticalPascale More like transsonic then... :D
All I noticed was some contrails like things at the side of the cockpit and a kick in the but when the afterburners were on….and the lovely wings weep of course
What's next? DCS: Saskatchewan? $60 for the Syria map is already high enough. But compared to this insignificant and boring piece of land, Syria has to offer so much more when it comes to conflicts and history, and scenery as well. Haifa, Beirut, Damascus, Adana, Aleppo, many detailed famous cities.The iraq expansion alone offers more value for me personally, than the damn falkland islands or the entire south atlantic map as a whole.
I don't like it at all that they want to ask $70 for a couple villages and small airports in one of the most deserted places on this planet. The map is incompatible with most modules, in contrast to Syria and PG. Saving my money for WWII Marianas+Afghanistan, and hopefully a SEA and a desert storm map. In the end it's the lack of historic events and "cultural significance" that keeps me from buying the south atlantic map, not visual/quality issues.
so don't buy it, nobody is forcing you to !
@@keysersoze1855 You're such a smart person.
@@medienprojekt5214 apparently you're not ! Your comments are disingenuous and your knowledge of the Region is on par too, all modules are co,compatible IF you use your imagination, which most people do on all the current maps as it is.
Again, don't like it, don't buy it, though I do agree on your expansion of the Syria Map to Include more Iraq , but having been there too, Western Iraq is........flat barren and boring, very little in the way of built up areas, even Al Asad AB is in the middle of nowhere !!
Like this map a lot. Adds variety to the gameplay. Speaking of gameplay: I think, the only flaw of this region is, its not a much contested part of the world with high tensions between local- or super- powers. Scenarios have to relay heavy on imagination besides the falkland war. The terrain itself is fantastic.
Is Syria contested by superpowers, the Marianas or the Persian gulf? Carriers aren’t allowed in the Black Sea so that scenario is a work of fiction.
The islands and surrounding regions allow for huge potential, suspension of reality is required as it currently is for most other maps.
This is a great review video! Thanks so much.
This map certainly looks amazing.
I have to wonder ... do you think the devs are Viggen fans bois ...? ... LOL
The Viggen was BORN for this map!!!!
Very nice!
Yea, it's early access but hopefully the devs will continue to update it.
The potential it has to offer ... only limited by our imagination.
It looks like the arma2 landscapes
Have you been there while Eskil was there as well?
Government House is not modeled which is disappointing. Hope they add it in the near future.
I have it, bought it first day...and even though its waaaay beta acces it will eventually *HOPEFULLY* be a great map. Right now though, my first impression is that its barely playable in VR (I get 30fps in 2D at Gallegos in the A-10), but yeah it needs a LOOOOOT of work. Only 4 or 5 real airports in the map right now, and 2 of them are heliports. It may be the biggest map so far, but its severely limited at the moment.
Im more wishing they would chill out on the ground detail or make the lower settings not look so horrendous, we're still on the tail end of GPU insanity
More reason to look forward to future monthly patches! Imagine all the DCS RUclips content creators making South Atlantic Update videos on future upgrades and enhancements to the map. It is free marketing! Lol.... Just my positive spin on things...I bought the map, happy to wait for July!!!!
Im starting to Enjoy the Map, Never been there at all.. I was Royal Signals in Bosnia 1995/6 injured out and retired in 2002. I got this map in the first hours of it being announced... My first impressions were not good to be honest.. That said - I have come to appreciate and enjoy it.. I just yesterday found the Sheep ! I have found that this map is somewhat heavy on the GPU and I have a 3070Ti - 64 GB ram - i9900K processor - 4 SSD of which 2 are M.2.... You are 100% Correct that this is indeed Early access - erm white grass as snow ? Anyhew, the one other thing im a little bit dismayed about - in july it goes down to 5C - Im not sure but I think thats not quite right... All in all - A Good Map that has the Potential to be Amazing... Looking forward to future updates and Other Packs Shipping Packs and Vehicles etc.... Oh and Great to hear someone from the Home land - Im Originally from Mintlaw !!!!!! Aye ... TTFN M8...
Good solid and balanced brief. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Bought it, had a good fly-around, and hoping my squadron might do something with it. But, super struggling with the textures, lots of areas that make me reminisce of FSX's satellite imagery. What Razbam could do, is send someone with a fixed-wing mapping drone to the Falklands, even if it is just high traffic areas like Port Stanley, airports, and anywhere with a 50m reasonably flat run to take off and land. Might even be an RC model hobbyist already on the island to do it (it's really not hard, the software does 99.9% of it for you). Wouldn't be bank-breaking at all and would make a world of difference!! Do suspect this will sit for a while on my install until they do some more work on it. For heli pilot's ... I can't recommend.
I found my performance tanked below 2000ft in VR. 32GB RAM, 9900K and 2080TI Water cooled. There needs to be more Airfields on the western Falklands island for the East vs West to be a thing.
Carriers 😁
"Early Access" is a cop out - look at how many modules in the libray/store that are still in EA after years and years of being available without any end-goal. ED should enforce a max EA period of two years to full release... but saying that they are one of the worst offenders.
In regards to the SA map - they should have done as Urga Media did with the Syria map - started small and gradually expanded as areas became more polished. The Falklands, whilst yes I would agree that the islands are mostly complete - none of the building have had any sort of ambient occlusion shadows added to them do not have that monopoly house appearance. They keep stating "every object has been hand placed on the map" but they have blatantly - in areas that are of interest in a relatively barren landscape - been misplaced, for example Mt. Kent base - they have placed a whopping big antenna, right on top of the helipad for the base?! You can clearly see the "H" in the centre of the square pad right underneath the base of the mast. I don't really care for the glaciers and the valleys in the remote areas of the SW parts of Chile - but for a fairly high profile area of the map that has been marked as "80-100% complete" to have such glaringly and blantant mistakes is unacceptable and I've lost a lot of confidence in the team.
Sadly its true what your saying, ED has to pickup their slack. Important topics like Vulkan / Performance / Terrain quality / Legacy code. I know its not fair to compare a Sim engine with a Unreal Engine 5, but the difference in visuals and performance are day and night. If ED is continuing this path, i will lose interest eventually. I have to many modules which are still in Early Access or are released but still feel unfinished.The AV8B, my first purchase back in 2017 is still having a major overhaul.
agree mostly, but I think detail is important. Specially for helicopter pilots.
Howis VR performance?
Thanks for the tour but the map isn’t worth it to me yet, will wait to see if they will continue to improve on such a fantastic land area or let it hibernate like many of the other modules they have developed . Best of luck to them…
Imo it is absolutely worth it, especially when the asset pack comes along
South Atlantic would be worth it, if it weren't for all that landscape covered with low res textures. In it's current state it's so ugly to justify that price tag.
I guess it's better to wait how it would turn out in graphics and performance after the development is mostly complete.
It is just the beginning so it is hard get an impression when it is finished.
Give if a few years 😁
Interesting region, not a needed map. Yes the Falklands war blah blah... give us Iraq, Afganistan, Vietnam... anything. This is another Channel/Nevada map imo. I'd rather they used more of the existing maps area or polished existing maps.
What would be difficult, as we talk different products, from different companies. 😉
I'd take Vietnam over any other map. Afghanistan and Iraq - meh, until they improve the ground war. The channel map is excellent imo, one of the most important areas that have ever had pilots dueling in air to air combat. The Falklands too is one of the most recent regions that saw air to air combat. Its opportunities in DCS are vast.
Until ED make trees destructible a Vietnam map would be the most frustratingly annoying map with the enemy safe from us thanks to a tripple canopy we can't penetrate.
@@TacticalPascale they recently did. Infantry got way better at route finding. Line formation now uses leap frogging and a couple weeks ago they finally adjusted the infantry damage model so you do no longer require a headshot to kill an insurgent with a rocket.
I'd personally looooove to have an Afghanistan map. Good mix of different landscapes, recent conflict and 80ies era invasion, matches a lot(!) of the modules we currently have in DCS...
@@shagrat47 interesting about the infantry, looking forward to seeing improvements in action
Map should've been smaller, quality over quantity i would say, or at least do it for the pilots who fly helicopters. They should've at least aimed for Persian Gulf quality of textures. Not worth 55 and even 65 dollars in my opinion. Its 2022 guys please. Hopefully the Sinai map won't disappoint.
Cela reste répétitif en matière de carte, il faudrait vraiment penser a des cartes sur un territoire de type Afrique ou similaire, ici nos cartes restent souvent les mêmes. manque de la verdure, des jungles, ou je ne sais quoi, mais marre du desert
This is a hugely sub par map. The textures and overall look remind me of Caucus map from DCS 1.0! Of course I can see the potential scenarios possible but the map is simply very bad quality! I bought it on release and my god was it a let down! The asset pack was something I wanted and it’s being released as part of an update so everyone will get access (which I think is a fair move). 55 euros is too much for this. Syria is 100 times better and Mariana’s is also light years ahead and it’s free! Forget whining about early access and chants of it will improve! the South American portion of the map is absolute bollox! just my view but for those on a budget this ain’t worth it!
Painted polygons everywhere. Ground textures (e.g. mountains) have not really improved much since the late 1990s, the maps have just got bigger. Port Stanley looks comical at ground level.
It seems to me, the "hate" faction pretty much focuses on the "heavily work in progress" part of the map. Like if someone would review the Syria map based on western Iraq, the south fringes below Palmyra and things like the city of Afrin... There is always enough bad parts to be found, if you look long enough.
The thing that's up to us, is, to find the beautiful spots and details, rather than search for the (obviously) bad parts.
I still need a review showing the gras strips around the islands, especially the beauty one at Lorenzo Farm, or the Argentine forward base on Pebble Island, or Pleasant Harbor, or the nice sources of creeks and rivers, or anything else I forgot or haven't seen, yet.
There was a complaint about the "tiles" like look in the Argentine cities. Well, look at them (Google Maps), that's what they have done in real life. Checkerboards with standard houses, embedded in a street grid, on large parts. But people have more fun bashing stuff, than enjoying what we have already, it seems to me.
I mean, yes, I am not blind to the textures in some places, neither did I miss the coastline blending still in need of some love, but for an early access with such a huge and diverse(!!!) landscape it is pretty good. And Specter and the team were very open about the things still in the works and where they will improve later. They communicated that in interviews, on the discord and release notes.
So I love the detailed parts, like the WIP parts, with the outlook on what they can be in the future. Btw. there are seemingly more airports in the works already on the mainland... On the Falklands I found 5 Gras strips and bases, not in the F10 map, yet. East of Ushuaia at Puerto Williams is an airfield it seems. And at Tolhuin another airport that looks like it already got some love...
Haters gonna hate. And I do have the impression that some just do it because it's from RAZBAM - it must be bad ;)
Don't release it then? I'll review what is there and it's not pretty right now.
I think they fail to see that this is not a South America map.
This is a Falklands map plus some South American airfields to make it more useful.
IMHO Razbam did clearly communicate this in their blogs and those are the areas that are full detail.
@@kilianortmann9979 Sure, but they didn't call it the Falklands map, they called it the South Atlantic map and I can see people rightfully expecting more because of it.
well , i just bought It without seeing any review. I don't believe ED would let anything be really THAT bad....i LOVE the Harrier and it wasn't perfect on release either.....
First to all thank you for the video. But a map where 70% of the content is sea, and the rest has 4/5 small towns/airports. A map with half the content of the map of Syria. Are they going to charge us at that price?
Not with my money!
Are Eagle Dynamics and RAZBAM fooling us?
as Pascal said, you don't have to buy it.
There's no room for outrage here, if you don't think it s a good deal, don't buy it. Same as all other DLC content in DCS.
you'll miss nothing you aren't interested in. can't be any better than that.
@@launchsquidI have the feeling that you don't like my opposition, ooooh poor thing... Something I don't give a damn about.
If you don't like my opinion hide it, but as a consumer I have the right and the duty to complain when I consider something to be an abuse.
It doesn't even bring a new pilotable plane, you're going to have to simulate the war of the Mavinas with current planes, for that we already have the Marianas map...
Of course I won't buy it. The price of the map is absolute nonsense.
Early Access needs to die. Nothing but an excuse for shit work and promises.
so another half baked laggy pooch screw that cost as much as buying a whole other game. like fs2020 for instance. why don't they just fix the issues they already have instead of creating new problems that will also go unresolved
Great review, and thanks for pointing out some aspects of its continued development. I love the SA map too, and I absolutely enjoy its 'forbidding' quality; however, I am from the Pacific Northwest (Seattle, US) and probably biased towards poetically rocky and foggy beaches, as opposed to the sunny radiated California/Florida beaches.
I'm quite amazed that I frequently run across statements of how this map doesn't have much campaign potential (excluding the Falkland Wars). For me, l see it as a great map for campaigns between China and the West/NATO. With all the business corruption (oil, diamonds, agriculture) China is practicing in South America, along with the potential political unrest, from some SA politicians supporting such corruption, the map has potential for great SA campaigns.
Please, you guys, don't take this as a 'political' post. Just trying to add more flavor to DCS campaigns. If interested in the SA map for potential campaign/mission building, here are a couple of links that gave me some ideas, and may help out -if you're looking for a kick-start.
www.cfr.org/backgrounder/china-influence-latin-america-argentina-brazil-venezuela-security-energy-bri
ruclips.net/video/sOOFSJqBYTY/видео.html