So... you got a real pilot to take a look at DCS, a high-fidelity flight sim with over a dozen extremely detailed and beautifully modeled official modules... and you gave him footage of a homebrew F-22 mod. Bruh.
Seriously he literally couldn't have picked worse videos to show this pilot. The f18 guy was shooting freaking rockets at SAM sites... and F22 is just a mod it's not made to be realistic... Just wow man..
@@PilotViking I don't think there is one outside the mod but the mod is incredible tbh 👌 however I still would have gone with different footage for sure especially the f18 as this guy was talking about tactics and delivery being off which is 100% down to the player.
Even worse Drewski is the prime example of a child playing with toys thinking he’s the real deal, he’s a complete armchair Mil sim kid. They should’ve had someone who’s actually flown before do the footage so at least we can get an accurate comparison.
I wonder how much of it is because the gameplay is more realistic and familiar versus him trying to comprehend Ace Combat's 100+ missile load outs and and "PSM through the tunnel to flex on ya" gameplay
Why analyze people watch the vid and stop reading into things that arent there. Nothing is wrong with his confidence. He has and is speaking very confidently and does not give off any insecurity
I think best thing here is to have videos where GS and LongShot are doing MultiCrew in a Tomcat, or them vs other planes, they only talk to each other in those situations
Kinda feel the F-22 should've been left out as that's a user mod that uses the simplistic systems modelling from a entry level F-15 module and a completly made up flight model (as everything about the Raptor is still classified), I mean, nothing wrong with it, but it's not really representative of DCS modules, maybe place the A-10C in there instead?
Likewise, there's plenty of examples of much more realistic ways to attack a SAM site out there than that one guy they picked a clip of attacking an apparently basically undefended SA10 site inside a steep valley - not that you wont see plenty of that in some missions and servers...
Yeah, I haven't played DCS, but when the pilot criticize the accuracity of the weaponry and tactics used, I assume that this is totally on the player, not the game right?
There is a few mods out there that are half to very decent, like the A-4E. The "Raptor", on the other hand (not to mention the "PAKFA"), belongs straight in Ace Combat.
"Welcome to another Gamology video where we got the person playing the game to play it as unrealistically as humanly possible even though that's the exact opposite of what people want when experts are reacting to it".
Should definitely look at more dogfights by more experienced DCS pilots. Growling Sidewinder and Longshot make some good videos using some basic combat techniques.
Would they even need to give credit/compensation? Isn't this fair use? edit: Compensation and credit can be interchanged, since it should definitely follow Fair Use guidelines. That said, it's nice that they do give credit to the original content creator.
At least you guys have him dcs to react but should have given Growling Sidewinder and Longshot's DCS footage. Their is also raptor another youtuber with dcs footage. Lastly their is helicopter dcs footage but I can't recall the youtuber name.
As always, Gamology chooses the worst possible gameplay to comment. They could have chosen hundreds of way more capable videos for the commentary and they had to chose someone who played it like it's ace combat lmao.
I love episodes like this, where the expert is constantly talking cause there’s so many things to explain. But the ones where they’re just watching and having fun are epic too.
There's Ate Chuet, who was a French pilot of a Rafale Marine, he did some video and combat with people, and it's quite impressive and fun to see how good they are in tactic combat
Bro, these kinds of experts are so damn cool! His work is so technical but he makes it easy to follow and understand at a very easy pace. This channel is killing it with the people they get to talk about all these topics... If only they could make sure the same standards are kept for the editors.
tbh, IMO GS is not that great of a choice for this, I mean he's for sure a great guy but he mostly does quick arcade-ish engagements where he explains what he's doing to newer DCS players, you really think it'd be a good video to have an actual pilot listen to a semi tutorial video of what a crank is?
@@johjoh9270 : Haha :-D I see what you mean. But he could just as easily tailor the video to suit this format (if that's how it works). Don't get me wrong, for what it's worth I find "Operator Drewski's" video's entertaining, but if I'm looking for realism aswell, I'll refer to "G.S" and "Longshot" Each to their own suppose.
@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM I mean Drewski was also a pretty bad example IMO, I think they should've picked some non commented footage parts of one of those long missions that require a bit more planning, mainly cause I think they show off a bit more of the depth of DCS systems / flight model, either campaigns or multi, say blue flag, flight of several aircraft so he can also see a bit more of the systems, like target input on the hornet, coupled autopilot, datalink, weapons preparation,etc, IDK, might just be me
Damn this pilot impresses me so much. Literally he even " locks in " his eyes on clips that he talks about. No eye-ball movement at all. Talks a lot about how focused this guy must be
Good stuff, always great to see real deal pilots react to or even try DCS. Just a shame most of the stuff on YT does not follow procedures (external lights fence in, engagement altitudes etc), but that's also what's great about it: if you want full real (virtually) you get a full fidelity module and fly with a squad of "rivet counting" nerds following NATOPS etc, but if you want to just do "cool shit" you get an unrealistic and simplyfied F-22 mod and do that.
@@WhitefoxSpace If the world keeps heading in the direction it is going, I expect there will be no F-35's out there soon . The cost for each one is stupid and the F-22 equals or surpasses the F-35 in each aspect except ground role ( i think ). Hopefully they will end the F-35 program because to me, it is almost government corruption. Was no need for it.
I feel like this video had some bad examples of what DCS actually is. Remember, this is a sandbox sim, you can do anything within the limits of the game, and in most of the videos it showed some... quite bad examples of how realistic DCS is.
I'd like to point out that the Y-F22 is a mod, and isn't representative of the actual game at all. It takes some major creative liberties. I mean, who chose that footage anyways?
It kinda makes me chuckle with how fast he talks. I’m guessing he’s used to giving a lot of information very quickly over the radio so that he isn’t taking too much time and blocking other radio traffic. Or maybe that’s just how he has always talked. I just like to think it’s because he’s a pilot. What a great reactor though! He seems like a chill guy to hang out with.
The first computer game I ever bought was iF-22 Raptor from the year 1997, which appeared to feature the YF-22 instead of the F-22. I always liked the YF-22 more, both shape and paint scheme.
Man that game sounds familiar as hell, I recall it being the only aircraft you can fly through the entire game and I want to say the first level was over a desert right?
The WWII warbirds as well as the Korean area jets are by far my fav's in DCS. As mentioned, modern aircraft are stand-off weapons and not as fun as seeing the opponent up close.
Would be more interesting to see him react to normal stuff and not all those unusual things like rockets vs SA10s, modded planes and barrel rolls after takeoff.
Last I played that game it was still pretty arcade even on the realistic/simulation mode. Do they still have that same stupid armour/damage system? It's why I stuck to IL-2, DCS and the likes. Though it was fun before it was super pay-to-win.
@@DCGMatthew1 WT aint pay to win, is pay to progress. The op premium vehicles either get nerfed to hell/up BR'd or have insane repair costs within weeks
@@HoovyLuca So... Pay-to-win. Pay-to-progress is pay-to-win, a bunch of the best vehicles are locked behind pay walls or take forever to get without paying for them. Getting good vehicles is an absolute grind, so people just pay all the way to the top, which is pay-to-win. It won't give you better skills obviously, but it gives you the better vehicles. I've seen many people complain about how planes like the KA-50 are overpowered and premium only.
As much as we can respect Drewski for being the more popular gamer to draw attention to DCS, and he has certainly put in the effort to understand some of the platforms in DCS...the entirety of the critique comes from the fact that Drewski isn't using the best tactics. And I'm not even saying Drewski doesn't know better -- he probably knows he doesn't know -- like "I could probably do 1, 2, 3, then use ___ system to launch from a safe altitude inside a window...but this is more fun so GO GO GO!" That's why gamers like Drewski. Watching a "real" DCS pilot on an advanced aircraft is going to be dull because they'd look quite untouchable as they take out targets and don't engage in games of chicken with AA or SAMs. We all do this on this harder campaign missions, and multiplayer dogfights, but for videos we just go ham.
@@flatperson1306 he is an american pilot, its an american classic plane....know your fucking heritage. he doesnt need to be familiar with the workings to know the design.
@@flatperson1306 im not your guy, he is a professional on his planes, just like soldiers are professional at their rifles, not every rifle. but they at least know some.
I would really enjoy talking to this guy, he explains things with excellence, very present and to the point. He talks about all the questions that I would have.
A lot of the displays in DCS are correct. For no apparent reason they chose to use a mod instead of an official plane in the first handful of clips. The mod is based on the FC3 aircraft which are super simplified compared to other DCS planes. The displays are taken from what looks to be the F-15C. Probably should have gone with clips from Growling Sidewinder or one of the players out there making content using more realistic tactics, too.
I mean, I get that Drewski is a real pilot, but he does more of the silly/fun stuff in DCS. When hearing the criticisms, especially the altitude criticism, all I could think was "Spudknocker or GrowlingSidewinder probably wouldn't receive nearly as much criticism... and then we might actually know what a fighter pilot actually thinks of DCS as far as operations and tactics go." Grim Reapers would be decent as well.
just a small nitpick if i may MiG-21 was most definitely designed for BFM. Just the idea of BFM back then was tad different to what it became in the 70s.
Dogfights in movies: High speed (And spine crushing) intricate maneuvers. Dogfights IRL: Some shitter with a heatseaker 2 miles out folds you like a chair.
DCS is actually very interesting as a wargaming tool. This pilot, while getting to fly the real thing, has never flown in a situation where the US didn't have dominant air superiority. And that shows in the first minute. In a situation where CAP needs to be airborne ASAP, you will be on the runway with ---whatever else--- is out there at the moment. A lot of the FAA rules go out the window when it's the real deal. He's used to peacetime. The comments about floor are also cap, and I think he knows that. I've seen our own a/c do low altitude maneuvers -- well under 1k, let alone 5k -- routinely. Would've been better to get his reaction to some of the serious DCS players, including their audio. Rather than what looks like game footage taken for press reasons with wrong loadouts, etc. Dogfights with gen 4 and gen 5 aircraft have been so scarce, that the data is basically meaningless. Comes down more to pilot skill (Iraqis and Serbians flying a few MiG29s is probably not the best demo of that a/c...) The downside is that DCS probably doesn't have exactly accurate information on capabilities for any of these recent aircraft.
" I can see we're in a legacy hornet. You can tell by the displays." No sir. I could not tell that. But I respect that you apparently have all of the freaking cockpits memorized.
why is the F-35 in your top 10? it's full of problems lol I mean when you fire the gun there's a chance of cracking the main fuselage.. that's just one of a list of ongoing issues. I mean it's a decent step up to replace the aging models we've been using, but long-term we need a new JSF that is far more reliable. www.extremetech.com/extreme/320295-the-us-air-force-quietly-admits-the-f-35-is-a-failure
5:04 Finally I know what the hell those lights are. I have been playing Ace Combat 7 and in mission 9 faceless soldier they show a close up view of a f-18 with those lights and I have been trying to figure out what they were since then.
The unrealistic employment is one of the fun things about DCS. If you want to you can have a realistic set up with say an SA 10 surrounded with shorter ranged SAM systems and MANPADS and then you strike it professionally. I've flown multiplayer strike missions set up with multiple groups of aircraft with distinct roles all working to specific times on target, which can be great fun. But at the end of the day it is just a video game that lets you fly fighter jets and doing things the wrong way can be a lot of fun- at worst you've wasted half an hour or so of time if you mess up and die. It's a lot more rewarding to accomplish things in than Ace Combat though because everything's a lot more involved and the immersion is immense, even if the systems aren't modelled absolutely true to life.
11:11 There is quite a bit of gun cam footage from WW2 showing Allied pilots getting pretty damn low on their gun runs, especially against German train locomotives. But I understand now-a-days they stress aircraft safety a lot more than they did in the 40's.
@@100GTAGUY no doubt. The Tuskegee airmen where quite well known for putting themselves in some pretty dicey situations when it came to engagements. Understandable too as they were trying to prove all the bigots that ran this country at the time wrong.
Exactly. What's the point of showing him some idiot's making a circus out of DCS with crappy mods and all that when he could be handed the controls directly and would draw his own personal opinion firsthand.
@@Ussrscrub No problem. It's just that they couldn't do a worse job than that, really... Not to mention he would probably feel more relaxed behind the controls.
This is really frustrating because you're just watching gameplay from some youtubers. Judging a game like this by looking at plays from youtubers that are just "playing for fun" does not do it justice at all.
Although what last editor did so was disrespectful, David has to understand he's watching videogames and they come with lack of accuracy. Sometimes he tries to be so technical that I end up with a headache but I respect people who likes his reaction format. Keep it up David.
@@raddox7 The Last episode with the pilot the editor overdid it with GIFS and memes. It was just cringe and way too much. Like when he was talking about the Jet's flaps, they edited wings onto his neck that were flapping, then he went onto wings and they put this massive picture of chicken wings on a plate on screen and covered everything. They just kept blocking the footage and the audio of him talking.
As a DCS player, I’m disappointed that the F22 and the Felon (both user-mods and definitely not the best in DCS) are a focus of the video let alone in it at all. Then once he saw the 18 in drewskis video, it happens to be a briefed mission including targets, and he explains all of that including his explicit thinking and reasoning. Very disappointed.
As a DCS user, I'm disappointed ED is allowing for such crappy mods in the first place. Just remove SFM for good from DCS and then the mod makers will have to learn to do proper EFM.
@@aetlaa That's not exactly right... SFM stands for "standard flight model", whereas EFM is "external flight model". The difference is that SFM, in itself, indeed is very simple. It basically has more or less proper drag and lift values for head on, zero AoA air stream, then adds a certain amount of lift and drag with higher angles or attack until it hits the hardcoded cap. There is also basically no handling of the beta angle (the aircraft turning sideways). The EXTERNAL flight model is "external" because of exactly that, you compile your own .dll file containing the flight model you want (which again can be identical to SFM or even to X-Plane's BET). But with this approach the most popular choice in DCS is to use multiple lookup tables for different alpha and beta angles populated with data from live wind tunnel testing. That's why it is very accurate... IF the particular aircraft WAS ever tested in such a way. By the way, many sims currently available do support external flight models too: FSX/P3D, MFS and I believe X-Plane as well. One good such example is MilViz Phantoms for FSX/P3D. Also check the FlyInside Bell 47G for MFS, that thing also has an external flight model (although it's hard to say of which kind exactly).
@@getsideways7257 Yep, and EFM rights have to be agreed with ED. Sure, let's kill the mods because TheHermitsWay and Get Sideways are disappointed in F22.
@@ShadeAKAhayate No, there is no need for killing the mods... if the mods are like the A-4E and the T-45C. And I'm pretty sure those guys didn't have to ask ED for the permission to create their EFMs. If the "mods" are just trash with dubious SFM or worse yet, reskins of FC3 aircraft, those indeed deserve to be binned. ED seems to support this point. If some teenager disagrees, he probably should stick to playing War Thunder instead? Edit: also, I'm with them since the Flanker 1.0 days and have all of their content (at least the aircraft, not the campaigns), so I guess I have some say in how DCS' future should pan out. Kids preferring to play around have their urges satisfied with WT, WoT, WoP, you name it. Please leave DCS alone.
@@getsideways7257 You want a have a right to say about their future? You buy them and have your say. Otherwise, you _are_ the teenager you're talking about. And you don't own everyone here, so we touch DCS all we like in _any_ way we like. Whiteknighting won't do you any good here, while logic just plainly fails you: prohibiting some of the mods just for the sake of some user's overblown ego is something ED won't ever do. For example, A-4 was started with SFM flight model. Banning such models will ensure no other "Community XX-XX" will ever be possible. For 200% profit? ED will do that. For you? Thank you, but no thank you.
@Patridge na, I just don't get why people worship him when his skills are actually mediocre at best. He fights AI for some vids and doesn't even tell the viewers, he fights inexperienced pilots, etc.
@@kamraam1464 It's pretty obvious when he's fighting AI, and I've never seen him claim to be a good pilot or to be fighting good pilots. He has stated on multiple occasions that AI are not the greatest of opponents. I get you don't like him, that's fine, but you're misrepresenting him.
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I don't know why Gamology didn't get Mover, Longshot or Growling's footage. They could've given DCS so much justice than this.
+1 for Mover C. W. Lemoine 👍👍
I was going to say... a lot of his critiques are more from the mission and how people are choosing to fly vs how they could be flying.
IKR, the complaints ended up being how the players were flying and not the game itself.
@@mathza552 C.W. "Mover" Lemoine
GS and LS also fly a lot of crappy SFM mods, so better choose someone else...
So... you got a real pilot to take a look at DCS, a high-fidelity flight sim with over a dozen extremely detailed and beautifully modeled official modules... and you gave him footage of a homebrew F-22 mod.
Bruh.
That's marketing for you.
Seriously he literally couldn't have picked worse videos to show this pilot. The f18 guy was shooting freaking rockets at SAM sites... and F22 is just a mod it's not made to be realistic... Just wow man..
They dont want to buy the f-22 lol
@@PilotViking I don't think there is one outside the mod but the mod is incredible tbh 👌 however I still would have gone with different footage for sure especially the f18 as this guy was talking about tactics and delivery being off which is 100% down to the player.
Even worse Drewski is the prime example of a child playing with toys thinking he’s the real deal, he’s a complete armchair Mil sim kid. They should’ve had someone who’s actually flown before do the footage so at least we can get an accurate comparison.
I knew Drewski was gonna do the gameplay.
going into this I was thinking, It better be Drewski or I'm gonna riot
Same I thought so too
@@karuuuma innit
Same
Drewski is overrated
99% came to see the wonderfull react
1% to make sure they've changed the Editor
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I'm pretty sure it's swapped
@@blackandbluex hopefully
Yeah. That last videos editing seemed disrespectful to me. He is very passionate about his job and the blah blah blah gifs made me uncomfortable
@Gedom Put random stuff on the screen and made fun of him for talking too much.
You can tell he's more comfortable. Im glad you guys keep bringing him back. :)
I wonder how much of it is because the gameplay is more realistic and familiar versus him trying to comprehend Ace Combat's 100+ missile load outs and and "PSM through the tunnel to flex on ya" gameplay
I agree
Why analyze people watch the vid and stop reading into things that arent there. Nothing is wrong with his confidence. He has and is speaking very confidently and does not give off any insecurity
@@TheAcidicMolotov yep, I think he might have worked on talking on camera since the first video could’ve been his first time doing so.
@@TheAcidicMolotov yeah it’s just gameologys shitty awkward editing
Thank you so much guys for not using the same editor as the last one.
Yeah the last was dogass
@@Phycorax is it the AOT editor that was bad?
@@blackandwhitecats4243 Look at the previous Experts react from this same host
@@Phycorax Scroll down the previous vidoe of comments,it was a new hire of a editor.
@@blackandwhitecats4243 and that editor was shit
Man, they showing DCS without showing GrowlingSidewinder footage
He has commentary/explanation throughout his videos, so it'll be like GS lecturing this pilot about stuff xD
@@raddox7 lmao but true 😁
Yeah but he has a more realistic approach to it imo
I think best thing here is to have videos where GS and LongShot are doing MultiCrew in a Tomcat, or them vs other planes, they only talk to each other in those situations
I find the lack of Ralfidude A10 clips disturbing
Ok he's back lets see how this video goes. He's definitely more confident.
All of the videos are from the same taping...
Flixzone is a scam and the other two replies on it are from the same user... Just FYI to idiots out there.
@@Lobos222 that's true they get bots, a legit one flixtor.io or it might be something else for you
@Gogeta UI-JF oh you poor soul, are you new to youtube? Just asking.
@@jielynsabarez2693 more like new to the internet! i guess people just dont understand the power of automation
Kinda feel the F-22 should've been left out as that's a user mod that uses the simplistic systems modelling from a entry level F-15 module and a completly made up flight model (as everything about the Raptor is still classified), I mean, nothing wrong with it, but it's not really representative of DCS modules, maybe place the A-10C in there instead?
Yeah, the mod isn't really a great representation of the game compared to the F/A-18 or A-10C modules that are from ED and more complete.
@@aaronwhite1786 Comparing them simply makes no sense. The Grinelli mod is a toy, while PAKFA can't be called even that.
Likewise, there's plenty of examples of much more realistic ways to attack a SAM site out there than that one guy they picked a clip of attacking an apparently basically undefended SA10 site inside a steep valley - not that you wont see plenty of that in some missions and servers...
@@getsideways7257 DCS is a toy itself.
@@ShadeAKAhayate Suggest something better?
Not the best DCS footage he could have reacted to but oh well...
This is from dwerski or whoever
Growling Sidewinder or Redkite conent would have been better
As expected for Gamology
@@c-boy767 Ralphi. Why use a mod as well? Seems odd.
Yeah, I haven't played DCS, but when the pilot criticize the accuracity of the weaponry and tactics used, I assume that this is totally on the player, not the game right?
This guy has a ton of knowledge, glad he seems more comfortable in front of the camera
He looks super tired though
@@guard-keywolf probably had one of those days was lined up for filming but had to do other stuff b4 hand just assuming idk the man lmao 🤣
It seems like he is getting a lot of flashbacks idk he seems like internally scared if that makes sense but I can’t blame him
He seems super knowledgeable. Surprised he's so uncomfortable, I have a feeling he'll get over it if he gets a few more videos in.
@@guard-keywolf how’s he look tired? He didn’t have bags or anything under his eyes
The pilot is getting more comfortable hopefully you'll keep working with him
Regards!
Is so cool to see the opinions of experts over games.
Yep
I want to see psychopath reacts to psychopath games
I'd agree except for the fact that this isn't a game. It's a flight combat simulator. There is a difference.
@@Kronix86 One of you people... It's a game.
Not all simulators are games, this one is though.
@@Kronix86 bru
You need to fire who ever picked the sample videos. He literally 1. picked a mod (unofficial module) 2. Picked footage of what not to do.
You took the words out of my mouth .. YF-22 nevertheless
Thank you. This was the absolute poorest representation of how gameplay actually goes, at least in multiplayer.
There is a few mods out there that are half to very decent, like the A-4E. The "Raptor", on the other hand (not to mention the "PAKFA"), belongs straight in Ace Combat.
"Welcome to another Gamology video where we got the person playing the game to play it as unrealistically as humanly possible even though that's the exact opposite of what people want when experts are reacting to it".
Should definitely look at more dogfights by more experienced DCS pilots. Growling Sidewinder and Longshot make some good videos using some basic combat techniques.
Eh no-way, I've just commented the same thing "Good minds think alike" ;-)
Gamology is gonna have to pay Drewski soon if they keep using his footage for everything! Lol
I mean thats up to drewski to decide, they probably ask him for permission then he decides if he wants payment or just credit
Would they even need to give credit/compensation? Isn't this fair use?
edit: Compensation and credit can be interchanged, since it should definitely follow Fair Use guidelines. That said, it's nice that they do give credit to the original content creator.
dew is ass dog why???? growling all day babe
Fair Use. They can make money off of critiquing or reacting to someone else’s content.
@@ryanoneil58 growling is boring as shit and unrealistic
I swear, he gets less sweaty every time you bring him back. It’s nice to see him getting comfortable in front of the camera.
At least you guys have him dcs to react but should have given Growling Sidewinder and Longshot's DCS footage. Their is also raptor another youtuber with dcs footage. Lastly their is helicopter dcs footage but I can't recall the youtuber name.
I prefer when fiesty flew on GS's wing.
"We can't still be flying towards each other. Wait, what's that? Oh, sh#$!"
For helicopter dcs CasmoTV is good choice and then their is Grim Reapers.
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As always, Gamology chooses the worst possible gameplay to comment. They could have chosen hundreds of way more capable videos for the commentary and they had to chose someone who played it like it's ace combat lmao.
I love episodes like this, where the expert is constantly talking cause there’s so many things to explain. But the ones where they’re just watching and having fun are epic too.
There's Ate Chuet, who was a French pilot of a Rafale Marine, he did some video and combat with people, and it's quite impressive and fun to see how good they are in tactic combat
He really should analyze one of the growlingsidewinder dogfight vids, it would be interesting to see what he thinks of.
Finally, an editor that knows what they're doing
On one if the vids it was like they were on LSD.
What is going on with the editor, I haven’t been watching, bless me w knowledge
@@ivancast99 basically this dude was reacting on a previous video and the editing was that of a 15 year olds.
@@ivancast99 watch the Pilot reacts to Battlefield 3, and you will see yourself
@@bazaar_sheikh holy shit you were not lying
Bro, these kinds of experts are so damn cool! His work is so technical but he makes it easy to follow and understand at a very easy pace.
This channel is killing it with the people they get to talk about all these topics... If only they could make sure the same standards are kept for the editors.
They should've used footage from "Growling Sidewinder" or "Longshot" for this.
Agreed, there should be polls on facebook or twitter to choose youtube channels for gameplays, Growling Sidewinder was perfect choice they didn't use.
tbh, IMO GS is not that great of a choice for this, I mean he's for sure a great guy but he mostly does quick arcade-ish engagements where he explains what he's doing to newer DCS players, you really think it'd be a good video to have an actual pilot listen to a semi tutorial video of what a crank is?
@@johjoh9270 : Haha :-D
I see what you mean. But he could just as easily tailor the video to suit this format (if that's how it works). Don't get me wrong, for what it's worth I find "Operator Drewski's" video's entertaining, but if I'm looking for realism aswell, I'll refer to "G.S" and "Longshot"
Each to their own suppose.
@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM I mean Drewski was also a pretty bad example IMO, I think they should've picked some non commented footage parts of one of those long missions that require a bit more planning, mainly cause I think they show off a bit more of the depth of DCS systems / flight model, either campaigns or multi, say blue flag, flight of several aircraft so he can also see a bit more of the systems, like target input on the hornet, coupled autopilot, datalink, weapons preparation,etc, IDK, might just be me
@@johjoh9270 : Aye mate, I'm with you there. Here's hoping they're listening.
Damn this pilot impresses me so much. Literally he even " locks in " his eyes on clips that he talks about. No eye-ball movement at all. Talks a lot about how focused this guy must be
But you have to multitask in a fighter jet in a combat situation :/
Thanks for not going mad with the editing. Great video
So cool to have tony hawk to talk about games, he knows so much about fighters
Do a kickflip !
Good stuff, always great to see real deal pilots react to or even try DCS. Just a shame most of the stuff on YT does not follow procedures (external lights fence in, engagement altitudes etc), but that's also what's great about it: if you want full real (virtually) you get a full fidelity module and fly with a squad of "rivet counting" nerds following NATOPS etc, but if you want to just do "cool shit" you get an unrealistic and simplyfied F-22 mod and do that.
I dont think most people realize how special it is that this dude is an F-35C pilot
F-35 is government garbage. F-22 was just fine.
@@Srdjana- I agree! But still there are so few f35s out there
@@WhitefoxSpace If the world keeps heading in the direction it is going, I expect there will be no F-35's out there soon . The cost for each one is stupid and the F-22 equals or surpasses the F-35 in each aspect except ground role ( i think ).
Hopefully they will end the F-35 program because to me, it is almost government corruption. Was no need for it.
@@Srdjana- It's the classic govt programme problem, they're in too deep now, they'll never abandon it
Christopher Cano and Larry Lawton together in a video? I feel like this would be such a good combo like Whelan and Israel.
Bring him back but this time use some footage from Growling Sidewinder - he probably has the most "accurate" or "realistic" footage
He does lol
Hell let the pilot play it too if they have a decent pc set up available.
I feel like this video had some bad examples of what DCS actually is. Remember, this is a sandbox sim, you can do anything within the limits of the game, and in most of the videos it showed some... quite bad examples of how realistic DCS is.
It's a sandbox. Which is why they're showing the unofficial F-22 mod.
I'd like to point out that the Y-F22 is a mod, and isn't representative of the actual game at all. It takes some major creative liberties.
I mean, who chose that footage anyways?
And the PAKFA is even more ridiculous... If they wanted to show off mods, there's always A-4E or T-45C...
" *not* representative" or "representative"?
@@gewinnste Of course NOT
@@gewinnste The "F-22" mod belongs in Ace Combat. If you want a mod that shows what DCS is about quite well, that would be the A-4E-C mod.
It kinda makes me chuckle with how fast he talks. I’m guessing he’s used to giving a lot of information very quickly over the radio so that he isn’t taking too much time and blocking other radio traffic. Or maybe that’s just how he has always talked. I just like to think it’s because he’s a pilot. What a great reactor though! He seems like a chill guy to hang out with.
The first computer game I ever bought was iF-22 Raptor from the year 1997, which appeared to feature the YF-22 instead of the F-22. I always liked the YF-22 more, both shape and paint scheme.
Man that game sounds familiar as hell, I recall it being the only aircraft you can fly through the entire game and I want to say the first level was over a desert right?
@@100GTAGUY I think most of the game was over desert but the first level certain was.
I see the 412th "look" is still around. That entire base has turned into some irl event horizon.
The WWII warbirds as well as the Korean area jets are by far my fav's in DCS. As mentioned, modern aircraft are stand-off weapons and not as fun as seeing the opponent up close.
Would be more interesting to see him react to normal stuff and not all those unusual things like rockets vs SA10s, modded planes and barrel rolls after takeoff.
Super glad he came back, he seems much more confident. I think I've learned more from watching him than a lot of the other people, too.
they should have made the pilot play DCS. Not use footage. Show that DCS has appropriate startup procedures. he seems to know the planes well enough.
Without practice in using the sim, he could also look quite foolish. He is training in the actual flight hardware.
10 Comments within 1min after video release people should speedrun more
I could listen to this guy talk about fighter jets all day I want more of him on Experts React
Pilot or any military vehicle specialist reacts to war thunder
Imagine they do, but they use arcade mode as a demonstration.
@@CaffeinatedSpooder226 omfg if they do
Last I played that game it was still pretty arcade even on the realistic/simulation mode. Do they still have that same stupid armour/damage system? It's why I stuck to IL-2, DCS and the likes. Though it was fun before it was super pay-to-win.
@@DCGMatthew1 WT aint pay to win, is pay to progress.
The op premium vehicles either get nerfed to hell/up BR'd or have insane repair costs within weeks
@@HoovyLuca So... Pay-to-win. Pay-to-progress is pay-to-win, a bunch of the best vehicles are locked behind pay walls or take forever to get without paying for them. Getting good vehicles is an absolute grind, so people just pay all the way to the top, which is pay-to-win. It won't give you better skills obviously, but it gives you the better vehicles. I've seen many people complain about how planes like the KA-50 are overpowered and premium only.
As much as we can respect Drewski for being the more popular gamer to draw attention to DCS, and he has certainly put in the effort to understand some of the platforms in DCS...the entirety of the critique comes from the fact that Drewski isn't using the best tactics. And I'm not even saying Drewski doesn't know better -- he probably knows he doesn't know -- like "I could probably do 1, 2, 3, then use ___ system to launch from a safe altitude inside a window...but this is more fun so GO GO GO!" That's why gamers like Drewski. Watching a "real" DCS pilot on an advanced aircraft is going to be dull because they'd look quite untouchable as they take out targets and don't engage in games of chicken with AA or SAMs. We all do this on this harder campaign missions, and multiplayer dogfights, but for videos we just go ham.
You should have him react to IL-2. It's another flight combat sim.
the way he didnt even know wich aircraft it was tells me he is very unfamiliar with classic ww2 planes.
@@bladerj you telling me a guy who wasn't born in the time and only flew jets wouldn't know ww2 planes? Nah
@@flatperson1306 he is an american pilot, its an american classic plane....know your fucking heritage. he doesnt need to be familiar with the workings to know the design.
@@bladerj my guy he doesn't need to know every plane from the 1200s to current to be a pilot some people just don't give a shit about it
@@flatperson1306 im not your guy, he is a professional on his planes, just like soldiers are professional at their rifles, not every rifle. but they at least know some.
I would really enjoy talking to this guy, he explains things with excellence, very present and to the point. He talks about all the questions that I would have.
He looks like he's been tensing his body for 9 years straight
He has a turtle's head poking out
Finally DCS
Glad the editing isn't crazy on this one
A lot of the displays in DCS are correct. For no apparent reason they chose to use a mod instead of an official plane in the first handful of clips. The mod is based on the FC3 aircraft which are super simplified compared to other DCS planes. The displays are taken from what looks to be the F-15C. Probably should have gone with clips from Growling Sidewinder or one of the players out there making content using more realistic tactics, too.
I'm colorblind. I would do ANYTHING to be a US military pilot. It will never happen, much to my despair.
This guy is slowly getting out of his deppresion and I like it
I mean, I get that Drewski is a real pilot, but he does more of the silly/fun stuff in DCS. When hearing the criticisms, especially the altitude criticism, all I could think was "Spudknocker or GrowlingSidewinder probably wouldn't receive nearly as much criticism... and then we might actually know what a fighter pilot actually thinks of DCS as far as operations and tactics go." Grim Reapers would be decent as well.
The F-35 has to be one of the coolest workplaces. This was really cool btw, I'm up for more flight stuff.
just a small nitpick if i may
MiG-21 was most definitely designed for BFM.
Just the idea of BFM back then was tad different to what it became in the 70s.
Finally a flight sim worthy of a real pilots reaction. Couldn't believe you insulted the guy by making him react to ace combat before. ;)
Please more videos of this game as well as Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 with this pilot! David seems like he’d be a great flight instructor.
Alternative Title: Expert pilot, paying respect to a very realistic game for 13 minutes.
THANKS!! for letting the expert talk, enjoyed it
I'm here to make sure the Editor is sane.
Dogfights in movies: High speed (And spine crushing) intricate maneuvers.
Dogfights IRL: Some shitter with a heatseaker 2 miles out folds you like a chair.
DCS is actually very interesting as a wargaming tool.
This pilot, while getting to fly the real thing, has never flown in a situation where the US didn't have dominant air superiority. And that shows in the first minute. In a situation where CAP needs to be airborne ASAP, you will be on the runway with ---whatever else--- is out there at the moment.
A lot of the FAA rules go out the window when it's the real deal. He's used to peacetime.
The comments about floor are also cap, and I think he knows that. I've seen our own a/c do low altitude maneuvers -- well under 1k, let alone 5k -- routinely.
Would've been better to get his reaction to some of the serious DCS players, including their audio. Rather than what looks like game footage taken for press reasons with wrong loadouts, etc.
Dogfights with gen 4 and gen 5 aircraft have been so scarce, that the data is basically meaningless. Comes down more to pilot skill (Iraqis and Serbians flying a few MiG29s is probably not the best demo of that a/c...)
The downside is that DCS probably doesn't have exactly accurate information on capabilities for any of these recent aircraft.
" I can see we're in a legacy hornet. You can tell by the displays."
No sir. I could not tell that. But I respect that you apparently have all of the freaking cockpits memorized.
Great video! Way better editing. David needs to react the A-10 Thunderbolt! A favorite of many
Love the use of that WARNO track during the hornet part of the vid.
Why is he so nervous, he is awesome
Not everyone likes cameras
Ofc a video about DCS. Now this is awesome. More of him please!!!
The dude flies an F-35. One of my top 10 favorite jets. Respect
why is the F-35 in your top 10? it's full of problems lol I mean when you fire the gun there's a chance of cracking the main fuselage.. that's just one of a list of ongoing issues. I mean it's a decent step up to replace the aging models we've been using, but long-term we need a new JSF that is far more reliable. www.extremetech.com/extreme/320295-the-us-air-force-quietly-admits-the-f-35-is-a-failure
@@Twizted86 Lol how could you do this to poor brad
5:04 Finally I know what the hell those lights are. I have been playing Ace Combat 7 and in mission 9 faceless soldier they show a close up view of a f-18 with those lights and I have been trying to figure out what they were since then.
He's probably the most serious guy that has ever been in gamology
Wait... you're 'reviewing' DCS by watching a community-made mod of the F-22? Not exactly representative of the sim.
I would like to see him with another pilot having fun reacting to clips
Having fun dogfighting each other in the sim. Now THAT would be more like it.
Let’s get Mover to start doing some gamology!!!
"those tactics aren't realistic"
Is exactly what someone trying to cover up the uber chad classified tactics would say ;)
Dude.. you fly an f35c... Mad props to you! Respect.
Honestly, I think someone like Growling Sidewinder should have done the gameplay. More realistic gameplay compared to Drewski.
The unrealistic employment is one of the fun things about DCS. If you want to you can have a realistic set up with say an SA 10 surrounded with shorter ranged SAM systems and MANPADS and then you strike it professionally. I've flown multiplayer strike missions set up with multiple groups of aircraft with distinct roles all working to specific times on target, which can be great fun.
But at the end of the day it is just a video game that lets you fly fighter jets and doing things the wrong way can be a lot of fun- at worst you've wasted half an hour or so of time if you mess up and die. It's a lot more rewarding to accomplish things in than Ace Combat though because everything's a lot more involved and the immersion is immense, even if the systems aren't modelled absolutely true to life.
no it's a simulator
Bruh is this even an official plane they’re using, why not use an f-18 or f-16?
11:11 There is quite a bit of gun cam footage from WW2 showing Allied pilots getting pretty damn low on their gun runs, especially against German train locomotives. But I understand now-a-days they stress aircraft safety a lot more than they did in the 40's.
Gotta do what ya gotta do to stop the nazi war machine
@@100GTAGUY no doubt. The Tuskegee airmen where quite well known for putting themselves in some pretty dicey situations when it came to engagements. Understandable too as they were trying to prove all the bigots that ran this country at the time wrong.
Hey make him play dcs let him have his hands on opinions
Exactly. What's the point of showing him some idiot's making a circus out of DCS with crappy mods and all that when he could be handed the controls directly and would draw his own personal opinion firsthand.
@@getsideways7257 why u mad bro chill its just a suggestion 😂😂
@@Ussrscrub And I support that suggestion. Why are you opposing me now?
@@getsideways7257 my bad I thought u were angry at me sorry 😂😂
@@Ussrscrub No problem. It's just that they couldn't do a worse job than that, really... Not to mention he would probably feel more relaxed behind the controls.
You can tell his thoughts are going ten times faster than he's talking and he's talking pretty fast. Very intelligent guy.
Day 10 of asking for a robotics expert to react to Titanfall 2
C'mon it's may 1st, people are celebrating by playing...
Not a bad idea.
Who you main?
Nicholas Crowne I use whatever I feel like getting better with.
So I Main grapple but I'm using the devotion and my titan is Northstar
Pilot reacts to OperatorDrewski landing his jet in DCS to stealth kill people who fly right over him
lol yes! That gameplay video was amazing fun to watch! lol
This is really frustrating because you're just watching gameplay from some youtubers. Judging a game like this by looking at plays from youtubers that are just "playing for fun" does not do it justice at all.
Although what last editor did so was disrespectful, David has to understand he's watching videogames and they come with lack of accuracy. Sometimes he tries to be so technical that I end up with a headache but I respect people who likes his reaction format. Keep it up David.
Tank commander reacts to war thunder and world of tanks
Well, everyone likes how realistic this is, but just think about how hard it is to make it that realistic. Kudos to DCS!
Do cowboys react to red dead redemption 2
🤣🤣
More like historians
@@richmondshelby2467 did I stutter
YES thank you for listening !
Thank fuck, you changed out the editor from last time
What happened last time?
@@raddox7 The Last episode with the pilot the editor overdid it with GIFS and memes. It was just cringe and way too much. Like when he was talking about the Jet's flaps, they edited wings onto his neck that were flapping, then he went onto wings and they put this massive picture of chicken wings on a plate on screen and covered everything. They just kept blocking the footage and the audio of him talking.
The video was beautiful. Congratulations!
but it's time for the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet to join the ranks of DCS WORD modules! ;)
As a DCS player, I’m disappointed that the F22 and the Felon (both user-mods and definitely not the best in DCS) are a focus of the video let alone in it at all. Then once he saw the 18 in drewskis video, it happens to be a briefed mission including targets, and he explains all of that including his explicit thinking and reasoning. Very disappointed.
As a DCS user, I'm disappointed ED is allowing for such crappy mods in the first place. Just remove SFM for good from DCS and then the mod makers will have to learn to do proper EFM.
@@aetlaa That's not exactly right... SFM stands for "standard flight model", whereas EFM is "external flight model". The difference is that SFM, in itself, indeed is very simple. It basically has more or less proper drag and lift values for head on, zero AoA air stream, then adds a certain amount of lift and drag with higher angles or attack until it hits the hardcoded cap. There is also basically no handling of the beta angle (the aircraft turning sideways).
The EXTERNAL flight model is "external" because of exactly that, you compile your own .dll file containing the flight model you want (which again can be identical to SFM or even to X-Plane's BET). But with this approach the most popular choice in DCS is to use multiple lookup tables for different alpha and beta angles populated with data from live wind tunnel testing. That's why it is very accurate... IF the particular aircraft WAS ever tested in such a way.
By the way, many sims currently available do support external flight models too: FSX/P3D, MFS and I believe X-Plane as well. One good such example is MilViz Phantoms for FSX/P3D. Also check the FlyInside Bell 47G for MFS, that thing also has an external flight model (although it's hard to say of which kind exactly).
@@getsideways7257 Yep, and EFM rights have to be agreed with ED. Sure, let's kill the mods because TheHermitsWay and Get Sideways are disappointed in F22.
@@ShadeAKAhayate No, there is no need for killing the mods... if the mods are like the A-4E and the T-45C. And I'm pretty sure those guys didn't have to ask ED for the permission to create their EFMs.
If the "mods" are just trash with dubious SFM or worse yet, reskins of FC3 aircraft, those indeed deserve to be binned. ED seems to support this point. If some teenager disagrees, he probably should stick to playing War Thunder instead?
Edit: also, I'm with them since the Flanker 1.0 days and have all of their content (at least the aircraft, not the campaigns), so I guess I have some say in how DCS' future should pan out. Kids preferring to play around have their urges satisfied with WT, WoT, WoP, you name it. Please leave DCS alone.
@@getsideways7257 You want a have a right to say about their future? You buy them and have your say. Otherwise, you _are_ the teenager you're talking about. And you don't own everyone here, so we touch DCS all we like in _any_ way we like. Whiteknighting won't do you any good here, while logic just plainly fails you: prohibiting some of the mods just for the sake of some user's overblown ego is something ED won't ever do. For example, A-4 was started with SFM flight model. Banning such models will ensure no other "Community XX-XX" will ever be possible. For 200% profit? ED will do that. For you? Thank you, but no thank you.
Im fairly certain that photo of the F-16 IFR was a plane i've worked on...kinda cool to see it randomly
growling sidewinder a dcs youtuber actually won a dogfight against a real pilot
yeah, a real pilot who isn't familiar with the sim... that's like saying "I beat a veteran in a call of duty 1v1"
Bruh one of them is a “gamer” other one is a pilot of course pilot going to get hard time to win
@@Boomshakalaga why?
@Patridge na, I just don't get why people worship him when his skills are actually mediocre at best. He fights AI for some vids and doesn't even tell the viewers, he fights inexperienced pilots, etc.
@@kamraam1464 It's pretty obvious when he's fighting AI, and I've never seen him claim to be a good pilot or to be fighting good pilots. He has stated on multiple occasions that AI are not the greatest of opponents.
I get you don't like him, that's fine, but you're misrepresenting him.
so much critical information in as few words as necessary
great video, please bring this guy back !
Do pilot reacts to war thunder
i can tell that he is getting more comfroatable on the camera, thanks for bringing him back guys
REDO THIS WITH ACTUAL DCS FOOTAGE FROM DECENT PILOTS!!!! Why do you guys always present the absolute worst footage you can find.?!?