One thing I notice dogen... is that your speed of speech is slower than Sora. I know it matches your English pace... but I'd love to hear you speak 150% speed in Osaka-ben.
My favorite joke of Dogen's is this one he said on Twitter. That such-and-such is the kanji for black hole. It literally means something like "point of infinite spatial gravity". Nah, just kidding. It's burakku horu.
But if someone were to have something that shoots black holes, it would obviously be 「ＢＬＡＫＫＵ ＨＯＬＥ ＫＡＮＯＮ 」 Or going all the way and call it 「ＩＮＦＩＮＩＵ ＳＰＡＴＩＡＬＵ ＧＥＲＡＶＩＴＩ ＫＡＮＯＮ 」
@@zesanx It's somewhere on his Twitter. I don't have an account, so Twitter seems to show me random tweets. That is, whenever the site lets me in without redirecting to a login page, which also seems random.
They have a video from a year ago! I was very confused at first bc I thought it was a reupload since the video structure is very similar but yeah. There’s another video with Dogen on Sora’s channel 🙂
I love Dogen and I am not even learning Japanese. His humour also has multiple layers, both someone who knows nothing about Japan and someone who is been living here for a decade will find something funny in his skits.
@@JJ-hb9in No, the correct response is : **smiles** **chuckles** "I-iya iya, **waves hand side ways** mada-mada desu" NOTE : You should pronounce the "su" in "desu" (like a beginner in Japanese class) to make the Japanese person you are interacting into thinking that you still have more to improve. If you say this in the most Jouzu way possible, they might think you are being polite.
People treat him like he’s a genius, but having listened to a lot of his anecdotes through his pitch accent lessons you can tell that he’s simply passionate and studious.
He is probably an introvert with a tendency to observe, a lot, in detail. That is usually how you get folks like him who integrate so well that if it weren't for their appearance, you wouldn't know they aren't from that country. Being so introverted that you do not want to stand out at all and thus do absolutely everything possible to blend in as much as possible.
Dogen is an interesting example of what happens with a lot of students of Japanese who aim for a level of perfection, but don’t actually really engage with Japanese people in the end. His ability to communicate is amazing, but it’s sad to hear that all of that experience and knowledge has not brought him closer to the culture and engaging directly with many Japanese people in his daily life.
He doesn't work a job with other Japanese people. And it's not like people tend to randomly start up conversations with strangers, particularly foreigners. The people who do tend to want to do so to practice their own English. So where are the opportunities to engage with Japanese people in his daily life? It's not even uncommon for Japanese people to not engage directly with Japanese people in their daily life.
@@zeidrichthoreneanywhere. As someone else said it might be a introvert thing, but it’s not a matter of striking up conversation with strangers, (which does happen) it’s about creating a social circle. His social circle exists and based on recent videos it seems like his circle is other English speaking Japan content creators. He could make Japanese friends or business acquaintances anywhere, but he apparently hasn’t made that circle or doesn’t feel it’s necessary. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s an odd contrast given he’s specializing in Japanese language and culture while not seemingly actually engaging in it much.
I was speaking with a friend recently, and it’s a very American thing to make friends with random strangers. I think when you’re living as a Japanese person, you tend to be more insular and keep to yourself in general. But when I’ve traveled over there because of my Americanness I tend to make a lot of friends because I’m very open and talkative, which is out of character for a lot of Japanese people but totally normal for an American.
Looking at someone while talking to them is difficult. It used to be hard for me because I was shy but now I get stuck in concentrating on what the person or I am talking about. I then just forget to look up at the person & end up not realizing it till the conversation is over.
Dogen is Dogen, no one on the planet is comparable to him. He makes us all seem like we don't even try to fit into the society we have chosen to integrate with.
Hey I really liked the conversation between you two. Your questions and the way you lead the interview is very entertaining. His answers were very genuine and funny too! I had a good laugh.
@@OatmealTheCrazy I had have pretty poor vision until laser eye correction. And I've noticed that I don't look in eyes because I'm forgetting that I supposed to do that.
Now I'm starting to think that it's not a coincedence. what if... what if.. what if in order to achieve high level profficiency in a language you have to learn how to do flips and flikflacks !
@@teshyatan7346 much like Yukio "Japan-Jocke" Nakahara (Hagi, a jack of all trades), Hans Shimoda (magazine editor), Maia Hirasawa (singer), Yukimi Nagano (Vocalist of Little Dragon), Yukiko Duke (journalist), David Fukamachi Regnfors (actor), Stefan Ishizaki (soccer player), Kenshin Iryo/Million Stylez (Jamaican Dancehall singer) and Ann-Sophie Lennerfors/LiLiCo. ;)
I watched dogan's tricking tutorials way back in the day. I came across him in the Japanese circle and didn't even realize it was the same guy. Now here he is on my comedy RUclips channel
@@ShaiyanHossain I really don't know, most of his recent content is at Japan. I've started watching his videos before he was back again in Japan. I don't know, probably, but if I watch some content with Matcha + Sora I would flip. It could be the funniest thing ever.
Great video, very entertaining! Auditory and visual learners, particularly those who may have neurodivergent traits or who were raised in some types of environments, will have a much stronger ability to not only learn new languages, but to learn them fluently and even mimic mannerisms! There's something called 'mirror neurons' in our brains, and for people who learn in those ways mentioned above, they are much stronger/more numerous (the neurons). These 'mirrors' in the brain are what allow people like Dogen to not just enter a new culture/society like that in Japan, but to 'fit in' much easier through this natural mimicry! Basically, by spending more and more time in Japan, and having a natural affinity for the cultural norms, Dogen (and people like them) are able to sort of ABSORB the particulars of how people culturally act/speak/move. They 'mirror' the people around them as they enmesh into their communities, and slowly their brains will pick up on the differences and begin to utilize them to aid in a sense of connection/cooperation/safety. There's a whole study on this sort of thing in psychology that we looked at in one of my university courses! It's really interesting, but it's what leads to people like Dogen being able to seem 'more like' a non-native culture than their own! It's fascinating to see, thank you for bringing it up to speak on it and for doing the interview to display this impressive skill. :)
Coming to Japan at 20 is a big deal. I came at 21 and I got fully conversational after just a year. At 4 years I was doing realtime interpretation at my work (not my job, It was just something I could do) and people thought I was Japanese over the phone. I know other people who did similar, but the higher the age they started, the less able they were to become naturally sounding fluent. I've been fluent for 30 years but Dogen takes the cake. His skits are full of very subtle humour that you can easily miss, and has me cracking up every time. He reminds me that I don't speak enough these days and am getting a little rusty!
3:08 I think it's more about emphasizing the correct part of the word. This also exists in english, and we dont think about it either until we hear it wrong.
Americajin here. 4:18 - Pronouncing authentic Japanese-English (such as “mochibeishon”) is easy: You just have to _spell_ it in kana in your mind. Then it sounds itself out naturally.
the emphasis in japanese english may not be the same as in pure english, so there's that trap too. But imo, the hard part is to fluently use the right japanese english words are the right time. you have to know which words japanese people are actually switching with the english version of/and when.
Looking down or away during a conversation isn't just a thing Japanese people do. it's something shy or introverted people do. I know, because I'm generally both. And, I'm American.
That is true but the American culture itself is very direct and confrontational. Japanese have for the most part taken a non-confrontational stance. Obviously, this is painting in very broad strokes and should not be taken as a given but more of a base line when interacting.
eye contact is so hard, it either feels like i'm awkward, or too aggressive/intense. some people can pull off 100% eye contact without seeming intense or imposing, some people can have like 40% eye contact and not seem awkward. i'm neither lmao
I'm from Germany and I also think that excessive eye contact is so aggressive to me. But especially older people see that as rude when I don't look constantly in their eyes during a conversation. I hate eye contact so much!
@southcoastinventors6583 Idk it's considered to be polite to keep eye contact with a person while talking. So people can assume that you're following the conversation. But I think it's creepy and exhausting
i live in the US and ive found constant eye contact weird, especially since i get conscious of whether or not im giving the speaker my attention. Small conversations you definitely don't need it 100% imo.
Honestly a lot of the things you described being a Japanese person thing is how I am despite being American but really it’s bc I’m socially awkward af. Still, glad to know I’ll definitely have the eye contact thing down whenever I go to Japan. Also the tax return reply is SO VALID.
I actually discovered Dogen from my Japanese classes where we had to practice listening and comprehension, it was much harder than your average Genki. That's also how i learned about intonation in Japanese. Also I don't know why but i was sure you had already met the guy before. But they could be someone else like Yuta or Saito, don't remember.
I can mask my introvert tendencies pretty perfectly in social situations, but DAMN the eye contact always messes me up. It’s such a tell, when I have to manually engage eye contact in conversations😭 It feels so ridiculously awkward, I hate that it’s considered the polite norm in the US.
Dogen is amazing. He reignited my motivation to study Japanese. I immediately subscribed to his pronunciation lessons in 2022 and started dedicating time every day to the lessons... and then Moscow started murdering people in my country and everything went to hell.
title: American (Swedish) RUclipsr In Japan Is ACTUALLY Insane i agree, Sora has done a lot of crazy activities in Japan, like running up the hill to find the shrine last live stream.
Do you find the Japanese language difficult compared to English? I'm also autistic and always hear that so much of speaking Japanese is about picking up on social cues. So I've never attempted to learn it.
i want to give some clarity after having tried to have conversations with probably thousands of japanese, old/young/man/woman/obachan not all of them are like this but a large majority of them are: extremely, extremely sensitive, overthinking everything so much they often get the complete wrong perspective on what you mean or what you may be thinking the level of insecurity i have witnessed, is about as "you wouldnt believe it unless youve seen it" as it gets let me be clear how bad it is, im having a good conversation with some japanese guy, he is relaxed, we are chill, i am avoiding any kind of lighthearted teasing or joking that might make him anxious (yes. really. us americans are actually very mean, please be careful.) anyways im having a good conversation, and i try to compliment his english confidence by saying "usually japanese people seem very shy, or they leave quickly, but youre very chill" they get a nervous expression, get real quiet after that, and then leave. over a very slightly negative comment, about other people. this isnt a specific story, this has happened to me more than several times now specifically. let me be absolutely clear, japanese people are "shocked" by everything. almost a forced reaction it feels. imagine how easy it is to offend people, just remember, not all japanese people are like this. some of the coolest chillest people ive met are japanese. but also remember: mainstream audiences are very unintelligent/surface level. the odds that anyone is actually doing anything socially harmful is slim to absolutely nothing these people think chi gyuu is a form of harrassment and bullying ok? this is like, when we americans made it so kids can be arrested for fighting in school, the absolute ignorance, ofcourse kids are going to fight in school, they are kids, they have hormones, emotions, no life experience, but punished seemingly for life (effecting school and then effecting job/future) the real problem is since abput 10 years ago or so, the entire world seems to have forgotten the internet is not a real place, and the people on it are not behaving as they would in their normal day to day.
Even though your stuff is quite exaggerated (and hilarious cause of it) I use it for my Japanese listening comprehension cause it’s still more natural than stilted textbook talk and the fact it’s entertain is just a cherry on top!
I don’t speak Japanese, but I lived in the Middle East for years. When I was talking to locals, I would think in Arabic when having conversations. When I spoke to other Westerners, I would think in English. I’m assuming that’s what he meant when he said it depends on the situation. You stop translating in your mind and think in the other language once you get comfortable.
Damn. Once again, the ai knows me better than I know myself. I didn't know these two people existed, and now I can't live without them. Troll recognizes troll.
Insaneですまん！
あっおつかれさまです
One thing I notice dogen... is that your speed of speech is slower than Sora. I know it matches your English pace... but I'd love to hear you speak 150% speed in Osaka-ben.
@@TheNewGreenIsBlue Who is Osaka-ben?
@@EpicNicks ruclips.net/video/Q3LE15AyT5g/видео.html
@@EpicNicks Japanese Ben raised in Osaka but more American than American.
so nice of the Japanese Dogen to explain his culture to the American Sora. Always touches my heart to see cross culture sharing!
So beautiful!
@@あやとり-k6s nature is healing
pov when american japanese meet japanese american.
Accurate af
Sora is more American than Dogen 😅
Sora is definitely the Japanese American.
sora is the way americans immagine japanese people because of TVmanga.
.....which one which?
Sora's Japanese is getting so much better! Congratulations! You must've been practising a lot!
EHHHH YOUR AMERICAN IS SO JYOUZU
it's those Dogen pitch accent videos /\___
My favorite joke of Dogen's is this one he said on Twitter. That such-and-such is the kanji for black hole. It literally means something like "point of infinite spatial gravity". Nah, just kidding. It's burakku horu.
XD
But if someone were to have something that shoots black holes, it would obviously be 「ＢＬＡＫＫＵ ＨＯＬＥ ＫＡＮＯＮ 」
Or going all the way and call it 「ＩＮＦＩＮＩＵ ＳＰＡＴＩＡＬＵ ＧＥＲＡＶＩＴＩ ＫＡＮＯＮ 」
what kanji is the infinite spatial gravity point?
@@zesanx無限空間重力点 I think
@@zesanx It's somewhere on his Twitter. I don't have an account, so Twitter seems to show me random tweets. That is, whenever the site lets me in without redirecting to a login page, which also seems random.
He seems to know the word "muchaburi", but he pretended not to. That's the most Japanese moment to me.
Facts
what is muchaburi?
@@Xia-humessy
@@Xia-hu it can mean an unreasonable request, like asking someone to do something funny for instance
@@Xia-hu it is explained in the video
American guy with Japanese personality vs Japanese guy that screams Rasenshuriken like an American Weeb
Insane duo
Next on Dogen’s channel: *_”THIS JAPANESE STREAMER IS ACTUALLY INSANE”_*
send help 👀
@@NJDJ2 Damn, I pegged him as Chinese Canadian!
@@kawaiiamethistIsn't he Italian-Indonesian?
Isn't it American?
@@zaicol850 Ah masa sih wkwkwk
Sora: American who looks Japanese
Dogen: Japanese who looks American
this is anime series material
You know someone is already a Japanese when you talk to them in English but they talk back in Japanese. He's too jouzu xD
I found out about Dogen years ago when Sora mentioned him in his channel. It's amazing to see them make a video together after this many years.
They have a video from a year ago! I was very confused at first bc I thought it was a reupload since the video structure is very similar but yeah. There’s another video with Dogen on Sora’s channel 🙂
@@noThankyou-g5c this video felt to me like dejà vu fr
7:18 “And I never want to force my opinion on other Japanese people, either.”
_“Other”?_
Pack it up boys, we got him
Sora was so convinced, he literally forgot he isn't subtitling a Japanese person
i mean he literally said "just because i know, its not like I think it should be this way" so the subs are kinda scuffed
Yeah, that's on the subs
I knew it.
I love Dogen and I am not even learning Japanese.
His humour also has multiple layers, both someone who knows nothing about Japan and someone who is been living here for a decade will find something funny in his skits.
His nihongo will always be JOUZU.
HWABJ
He Will Always be Jouzu
Mada
@@JJ-hb9in
No, the correct response is :
**smiles** **chuckles** "I-iya iya, **waves hand side ways** mada-mada desu"
NOTE : You should pronounce the "su" in "desu" (like a beginner in Japanese class) to make the Japanese person you are interacting into thinking that you still have more to improve. If you say this in the most Jouzu way possible, they might think you are being polite.
One can never out jouzu Dogen's nihongo.
What
It's funny when Dogen has a sketch where he speaks "bad Japanese", he can't hide his insanely good Japanese. It still comes through.
People treat him like he’s a genius, but having listened to a lot of his anecdotes through his pitch accent lessons you can tell that he’s simply passionate and studious.
I love Dogens content so much. Same with yours, Sora, so this is an incredible treat!
He is probably an introvert with a tendency to observe, a lot, in detail. That is usually how you get folks like him who integrate so well that if it weren't for their appearance, you wouldn't know they aren't from that country. Being so introverted that you do not want to stand out at all and thus do absolutely everything possible to blend in as much as possible.
Damn you... Who are you...? Why my life is Revealed, i feel being naked in front of internet people 😂
0:14 I ❤your new hair style, Sora! It looks very nice on you. Great collaboration with Dogen! I enjoyed this video very much!
Dogen is an interesting example of what happens with a lot of students of Japanese who aim for a level of perfection, but don’t actually really engage with Japanese people in the end. His ability to communicate is amazing, but it’s sad to hear that all of that experience and knowledge has not brought him closer to the culture and engaging directly with many Japanese people in his daily life.
Why though?
It's probably an introversion thing rather than cultural...
He doesn't work a job with other Japanese people. And it's not like people tend to randomly start up conversations with strangers, particularly foreigners. The people who do tend to want to do so to practice their own English. So where are the opportunities to engage with Japanese people in his daily life? It's not even uncommon for Japanese people to not engage directly with Japanese people in their daily life.
@@zeidrichthoreneanywhere. As someone else said it might be a introvert thing, but it’s not a matter of striking up conversation with strangers, (which does happen) it’s about creating a social circle. His social circle exists and based on recent videos it seems like his circle is other English speaking Japan content creators. He could make Japanese friends or business acquaintances anywhere, but he apparently hasn’t made that circle or doesn’t feel it’s necessary. Nothing wrong with that, but it’s an odd contrast given he’s specializing in Japanese language and culture while not seemingly actually engaging in it much.
I was speaking with a friend recently, and it’s a very American thing to make friends with random strangers. I think when you’re living as a Japanese person, you tend to be more insular and keep to yourself in general. But when I’ve traveled over there because of my Americanness I tend to make a lot of friends because I’m very open and talkative, which is out of character for a lot of Japanese people but totally normal for an American.
Looking at someone while talking to them is difficult. It used to be hard for me because I was shy but now I get stuck in concentrating on what the person or I am talking about. I then just forget to look up at the person & end up not realizing it till the conversation is over.
In your own language? Why?
Thanks!
Love these collabs
I thought it was a Japanalysis video.
@@BoyPagcu nani
Same! I was just about to comment this! This is the most Japanalysistic title and thumb nail ever
Such a fun video, your interviews are too great, we need more of them, お願いします🙇♀️⤵️
Dogen is Dogen, no one on the planet is comparable to him. He makes us all seem like we don't even try to fit into the society we have chosen to integrate with.
Dogen is simply amazing,
I wish I could speak that well.
Hey I really liked the conversation between you two. Your questions and the way you lead the interview is very entertaining. His answers were very genuine and funny too! I had a good laugh.
Eye contact is aggressive? Bet I need to go there bc I’m socially awkward as heck
Real, I live looking at the floor, but it's just anxiety and autism
@@OatmealTheCrazy I had have pretty poor vision until laser eye correction. And I've noticed that I don't look in eyes because I'm forgetting that I supposed to do that.
He was my original tricking sensei before RUclips was a thing. I don’t even remember how I saw his clips on dialup internet back then.
Same!!!
He did a bunch of flexibility tutorials!
Now I'm starting to think that it's not a coincedence.
what if...
what if..
what if in order to achieve high level profficiency in a language you have to learn how to do flips and flikflacks !
@ there are definitely perks to having persistence, resilience and attention to detail that will benefit many aspects of life that can be applied.
@@stnhndgdogen has said a few times hes had a deep interest in Japanese martial arts since as a kid so this tracks
This was so awesome! So funny! Really good video. And I love the very Japanese intonation when you say Dogan. Dohghan
Another Dogen collab LESGO !
Dogen is what Sora couldn't be.
Japanese?
Whatever the opposite of cringe is?
because Sora is Swedish
結局、何々人なんだよ
@@teshyatan7346 much like Yukio "Japan-Jocke" Nakahara (Hagi, a jack of all trades), Hans Shimoda (magazine editor), Maia Hirasawa (singer), Yukimi Nagano (Vocalist of Little Dragon), Yukiko Duke (journalist), David Fukamachi Regnfors (actor), Stefan Ishizaki (soccer player), Kenshin Iryo/Million Stylez (Jamaican Dancehall singer) and Ann-Sophie Lennerfors/LiLiCo. ;)
I didn't know you were the voice of Chillsky radio advertisements, nice video
I watched dogan's tricking tutorials way back in the day.
I came across him in the Japanese circle and didn't even realize it was the same guy.
Now here he is on my comedy RUclips channel
As a big fan of both of you, this was absolutely delightful
Two Americans shooting the breeze. Nice to see. 😉
Bro, he is Japanese. Only the interviewer here is American
Yeyyyyyy finally. Been w8ting for a while now.
シト！俺は英語が分からないんだった！Dogenの動画は全部日本語だが、まてよソラさんはアメリカ人でDogenさんが日本人なのか
Sora the troll is from Oregon
いや
そらさんは日本人。Dogenさんはアメリカ人
@@BlueStrider101 Yeah thats the joke
I can’t stop laughing when Sora depicts everyday dialogue like an insane shonen anime standoff
collab of the century right here
Now we need an interview on Matcha Samurai to check if he's more British than Japanese. I bet he is.
Doesnt he spend most of his time outside of Japan now
YESSSSS
@@ShaiyanHossain I really don't know, most of his recent content is at Japan. I've started watching his videos before he was back again in Japan. I don't know, probably, but if I watch some content with Matcha + Sora I would flip. It could be the funniest thing ever.
3:37 so Sora came to Japan through JET program
"He will know your ways as if born to them."
LISAN AL GAIB
5 seconds in and i can somehow read Sora's lips that he's saying "日本人"
Great video, very entertaining!
Auditory and visual learners, particularly those who may have neurodivergent traits or who were raised in some types of environments, will have a much stronger ability to not only learn new languages, but to learn them fluently and even mimic mannerisms!
There's something called 'mirror neurons' in our brains, and for people who learn in those ways mentioned above, they are much stronger/more numerous (the neurons). These 'mirrors' in the brain are what allow people like Dogen to not just enter a new culture/society like that in Japan, but to 'fit in' much easier through this natural mimicry!
Basically, by spending more and more time in Japan, and having a natural affinity for the cultural norms, Dogen (and people like them) are able to sort of ABSORB the particulars of how people culturally act/speak/move. They 'mirror' the people around them as they enmesh into their communities, and slowly their brains will pick up on the differences and begin to utilize them to aid in a sense of connection/cooperation/safety.
There's a whole study on this sort of thing in psychology that we looked at in one of my university courses! It's really interesting, but it's what leads to people like Dogen being able to seem 'more like' a non-native culture than their own!
It's fascinating to see, thank you for bringing it up to speak on it and for doing the interview to display this impressive skill. :)
I'm so glad this was wholesome.
Both Sora and Dogen are amazing!!!!
Coming to Japan at 20 is a big deal. I came at 21 and I got fully conversational after just a year. At 4 years I was doing realtime interpretation at my work (not my job, It was just something I could do) and people thought I was Japanese over the phone. I know other people who did similar, but the higher the age they started, the less able they were to become naturally sounding fluent. I've been fluent for 30 years but Dogen takes the cake. His skits are full of very subtle humour that you can easily miss, and has me cracking up every time. He reminds me that I don't speak enough these days and am getting a little rusty!
3:08 I think it's more about emphasizing the correct part of the word.
This also exists in english, and we dont think about it either until we hear it wrong.
OK Of all your previous clip and Dogen's, this one make me laugh the most. 😂
This was super entertaining.
Now I want to see Dogen interview Sora
6:17 I lost all marbles here 😂😂😂
LMFAO SORA BROUGHT HIS STREAM CRINGE IN REGULAR VIDS 😂😂
IM ROLLING IN THE FLOOR !!
(╥﹏╥)
Question about kj in the strongest battleground:
Did you voice more of kj for the new unlimited flexworks in tsb?
Comedy genius dogen-san
Wish you'd have asked him if he knows what どんぶらこ is the sound effect of. I think that's the best "Japanese or foreign" test I've ever seen
all that means to me is DonBrothers... LMAO
@@Kaimax61 Not Japanese confirmed
nice. more collabs!
thank you for kj voicelines, sora the nerd
💀
動画を見て、ちょっと苦手だったこの2人にめっちゃ惚れました☺️
Love dogen, learned al lot of my jp from him
Dogen is a committed guy that goes hard in what he wants to achieve
Americajin here. 4:18 - Pronouncing authentic Japanese-English (such as “mochibeishon”) is easy: You just have to _spell_ it in kana in your mind. Then it sounds itself out naturally.
the emphasis in japanese english may not be the same as in pure english, so there's that trap too. But imo, the hard part is to fluently use the right japanese english words are the right time. you have to know which words japanese people are actually switching with the english version of/and when.
Looking down or away during a conversation isn't just a thing Japanese people do. it's something shy or introverted people do. I know, because I'm generally both. And, I'm American.
That is true but the American culture itself is very direct and confrontational. Japanese have for the most part taken a non-confrontational stance. Obviously, this is painting in very broad strokes and should not be taken as a given but more of a base line when interacting.
it is but i think it made me seem more used to japanese than i otherwise am when i was there
I didn't know about the eye contact thing, perfect, I could go to Japan just fine because eye contact is hard 😂
eye contact is so hard, it either feels like i'm awkward, or too aggressive/intense. some people can pull off 100% eye contact without seeming intense or imposing, some people can have like 40% eye contact and not seem awkward. i'm neither lmao
I'm from Germany and I also think that excessive eye contact is so aggressive to me. But especially older people see that as rude when I don't look constantly in their eyes during a conversation. I hate eye contact so much!
German people stare at things all the time so why is that not aggressive too ?
@southcoastinventors6583 Idk it's considered to be polite to keep eye contact with a person while talking. So people can assume that you're following the conversation. But I think it's creepy and exhausting
i live in the US and ive found constant eye contact weird, especially since i get conscious of whether or not im giving the speaker my attention. Small conversations you definitely don't need it 100% imo.
FirstTakashii and now here? Good luck Dogen!
Honestly a lot of the things you described being a Japanese person thing is how I am despite being American but really it’s bc I’m socially awkward af.
Still, glad to know I’ll definitely have the eye contact thing down whenever I go to Japan.
Also the tax return reply is SO VALID.
I actually discovered Dogen from my Japanese classes where we had to practice listening and comprehension, it was much harder than your average Genki. That's also how i learned about intonation in Japanese.
Also I don't know why but i was sure you had already met the guy before. But they could be someone else like Yuta or Saito, don't remember.
みなさん、アメリカのそら
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As an american who hates eye contact....Well I just wish we didn't like eye contact so much
Yeah I have to force myself during conversation just so it doesn't come off like I hate them or something 😂
Yeah apparently it's a good way to spot autism because people with autism, myself included, can't hold eye contact and get uncomfortable forcing it.
I can mask my introvert tendencies pretty perfectly in social situations, but DAMN the eye contact always messes me up. It’s such a tell, when I have to manually engage eye contact in conversations😭 It feels so ridiculously awkward, I hate that it’s considered the polite norm in the US.
@@missdenisebeeFR i hate being conscious of whether or not im giving eye contact to the speaker. Makes me feel weird
That last question was diabolical
Dogen is amazing. He reignited my motivation to study Japanese. I immediately subscribed to his pronunciation lessons in 2022 and started dedicating time every day to the lessons... and then Moscow started murdering people in my country and everything went to hell.
I hope everything stops soon bro. 😢
give it a rest muh russia every day
dogen situation in sora the troll is crazy
title: American (Swedish) RUclipsr In Japan Is ACTUALLY Insane
i agree, Sora has done a lot of crazy activities in Japan, like running up the hill to find the shrine last live stream.
I wait forever and a year for sora to post a video and it's a reupload 😭😭
KJ voice actor!!! Hello :DDDD
We need more crossoverrr
アメリカ人が普段何をしているかについての意見をいくつか見た後、日本人がロシア人についてどう思っているのか、まるでそれが彼らにとって常識であるかのように、私は心から興味を持ちました。
Sora, you should try voice acting. You have a nice voice bro
Love the … ”NA!!!” every time xD
"Figuring out if someone grew up in Japan is mostly about their eyes" 🤨
"People who grew up in Japan tend to glance down during conversations" 😅
As an autistic japanese american I'm glad to hear that I won't stand out when I go to japan
Do you find the Japanese language difficult compared to English? I'm also autistic and always hear that so much of speaking Japanese is about picking up on social cues. So I've never attempted to learn it.
My favourite sketch of his is the one with the difference between taking a train in Tokyo and taking a train in the countryside.
Hi KJ!
I adore listen to Sora speak. For a few minutes, I feel like I actually know something.
i want to give some clarity after having tried to have conversations with probably thousands of japanese, old/young/man/woman/obachan
not all of them are like this but a large majority of them are: extremely, extremely sensitive, overthinking everything so much they often get the complete wrong perspective on what you mean or what you may be thinking
the level of insecurity i have witnessed, is about as "you wouldnt believe it unless youve seen it" as it gets
let me be clear how bad it is,
im having a good conversation with some japanese guy, he is relaxed, we are chill, i am avoiding any kind of lighthearted teasing or joking that might make him anxious (yes. really. us americans are actually very mean, please be careful.)
anyways im having a good conversation, and i try to compliment his english confidence by saying "usually japanese people seem very shy, or they leave quickly, but youre very chill"
they get a nervous expression, get real quiet after that, and then leave.
over a very slightly negative comment, about other people.
this isnt a specific story, this has happened to me more than several times now specifically.
let me be absolutely clear, japanese people are "shocked" by everything. almost a forced reaction it feels.
imagine how easy it is to offend people,
just remember, not all japanese people are like this. some of the coolest chillest people ive met are japanese.
but also remember: mainstream audiences are very unintelligent/surface level.
the odds that anyone is actually doing anything socially harmful is slim to absolutely nothing
these people think chi gyuu is a form of harrassment and bullying ok?
this is like, when we americans made it so kids can be arrested for fighting in school, the absolute ignorance,
ofcourse kids are going to fight in school, they are kids, they have hormones, emotions, no life experience, but punished seemingly for life (effecting school and then effecting job/future)
the real problem is since abput 10 years ago or so, the entire world seems to have forgotten the internet is not a real place, and the people on it are not behaving as they would in their normal day to day.
At 7:08 I was almost expecting the dreaded "キモッ😶"
That 180 degree bow would require zero belly fat.
So nice for Japanese Dogen to comment on an American’s video!”
Even though your stuff is quite exaggerated (and hilarious cause of it) I use it for my Japanese listening comprehension cause it’s still more natural than stilted textbook talk and the fact it’s entertain is just a cherry on top!
Dogen: - opens his mouth -
People: - laugh hiysterically -
Dogen situation is crazy
Bro this is gold
Dogen’s English has gotten a lot better. And Sora’s Japanese has gotten better. Keep practicing you guys.
I don’t speak Japanese, but I lived in the Middle East for years. When I was talking to locals, I would think in Arabic when having conversations. When I spoke to other Westerners, I would think in English. I’m assuming that’s what he meant when he said it depends on the situation. You stop translating in your mind and think in the other language once you get comfortable.
9:32 That's just the two kinds of people. Not every American is confident, especially in the modern day where social anxiety is trendy
the situation is insane
Damn. Once again, the ai knows me better than I know myself. I didn't know these two people existed, and now I can't live without them. Troll recognizes troll.
This guys flashbacks are straight anime hahahaha so good
Dogen is looking down when speaking with people because he is like 8 feet tall giant 😆🤣😂