Metal Stereotypes That Are Actually True
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- There are a lot of cliches and stereotypes about metal fans. But whichs ones are actually true?
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Metal has taught me that headbanging is the only proper way to enjoy any genre possible.
Me headbanging to Giles Corey
You don't head bang to black metal. Unless you're a poser.
@@unitedteddys i do what i want 😤
@@unitedteddysIf "In the shadow of the horns" doesn't make you headbang YOU are the poser😎
exactly why i dont call myself a metalhead and instead say imma headbanger because i listen to hella music my fav is harsh noise tho
“Why do you like metal?”
Me: “Because of the intense speed” (proceeds to play some funeral doom).
Idk that's still intense speed, just intensely slow
😂❤
The heaviest songs run at one note every four minutes.
INTENSE SPEED
Doom stoner metal
Laughs in Satanic. 😈
No one hates metal more than metalheads
A truer statement has never been written before.
Trve.
Damn metalheads, they ruined metal
Aaand white news reporters but yeah
And Christians who have never heard a metal song before
40: I listen to metal because society hates me.
I listen to it because I hate SOYciety right back.
50: I still listen to metal because I couldn't give two pebbly $hits about the opinions of others. 😆😆
I had the exact same thought😂
I listen to metal because it makes me feel happy!
Damn, your reply was a bit better than mine.🤘
People tend to forget there are so many metalheads, and so many different metal branches that any cliche is bound to be an extreme over simplification.
I tried googling how many metal genres that exists and i could not find an answer 😅
1) I missed your videos in this style
2) I love how you "teased" a sketch in the form of a short
Ohhh ya
‘First of all, that’s a woman’ 😂I fuckin lost it at that one. Brilliant.
i scared my boss, when i entered his office and he had a hard rock /metal web radio runing, and i just casually dropped, oh are you listening to them today? you know that is a woman singing. he had no idea that it was a woman singing. duh it was arch enemy and he was kinda suspicious i was lying and googled it. pointed him to the argonist to show what alyssa did before she took over for angela..
Me being hearing impaired has actually 3 reasons :
1. Motorhead.
2. Macabre.
3. The a$$hole that blew up my next door neighbour with half a brick of C4. With me standing about 5 meters away.
American?
@@HeathenDance Dutchie. Moved to England because the Netherlands have turned into a warzone. That C4 incident happened in 1993 , and things got progressively worse.
@@burningpentagram666 Interesting. Would have never guessed. Thanks for sharing.
Sadly, I know more about serial killers than I should because of Macabre.
My hearing has never gotten over Metallica (with a PA for 10,000 capacity arenas in a 1200 capacity venue) in 1988.
"How do you know so many bands?"
"Have you heard of Metal Archives?"
"...they always drink my beer and vomit on my precious cat." - You'd think if a cat can dodge a cobra strike it could dodge a projectile vomit!
Well...trying to dodge a cobra is like trying to dodge a bullet. Trying to dodge the vomit of a metalhead is like trying to dodge a shotgun blast.
not if he drank too much beer
they could be sitting with the cat in the lap and then suddely just vomits over themselves and said cat too. saw it happen with a pooch some years ago.
The tinnitus is too real!
What did you say?
@@dratfod1165 😂
I recommend wearing ear protection at concerts
@@ringinn7880 Actually, most of the times hearing problems are contributed to the daily use of head/earphones.
You go to a concert how often? Once a week tops if you are realy, realy, realy into it?
That doesnt sums up much.
Meathead, biker and Army vet my hearing is goooone 😂
3:14 Earplugs can save your ears so that you can be trve kvlt even at 80 years old. Use them!
Earplugs are like condoms... they make sense, totally. But they're not fun.
@@FixItAgainToni Not true though because the sound is also better (if the earplugs aren't shit ofc). Without them the guitars and vocals often get buried under the bass guitar and double bass drum.
"What!?"..
( Old joke from anyone who has spent time with live bands/DJs etc. Whenever anyone makes the comment about going deaf from the loud music. I'm nearly 60 and there isn't much change in my hearing from when a kid that isn't just age related, eg the super high 20kHz ringtone that was around 20 years ago )
@@IsoSubject5 Oh, so that's the reason some people on the shows seem to not feel any energy from the band and become statues for 90% of the concert, that's because they don't hear rhytmic section as loud as others do due to wearing earplugs. Thanks for clarifying that.
@@mikoajnierada7857 Eh, what?! That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Earplugs don't make concerts dead silent and how does balancing out the mix make for less energy as opposed to just hearing the drums and bass? If anything it's the total opposite, obviously you're gonna feel more energy from the band if you can actually hear EVERYTHING they play instead of only HALF OF IT.
Heavy Metal has helped me through some bad times in my life. My granddaughter brags to her friends that her grandpa listens to metal. Forever metal.
I want to be you when I get old.
The thing with young metalheads being elitists is so true. Every old metalhead I know is such a sweetheart, while the some people who are in their 20s are just insufferable. I was at a death metal show lately and there were two dudes behind me, who always made mean comments about people's battle vests and made fun of the support band.
It's all fine and dandy up until You meet the most insufferable forever-midlife-crisis guy in his late 40s.
I was a more elitist person as a whole when I listened to anime metal than now where I'm chill and listen to prog and jazz fusion 😂😂😂
Teenagers are like that.
Worst interaction I had was when I was out partying one weekend. I was wearing an Iron Maiden hoodie and happened to walk by a group of metalheads. One of them, wearing nothing but a Pig Destroyer shirt (of course wearing nothing but a shirt in the middle of winter makes you fucking BRÜTAL) yelled „stop listening to pussy metal and listen to some real grindcore“ then proceeded to squeal like a pig.
@@florianlassnig9769 Bruhhhhhh.
@@florianlassnig9769Don't worry about it, that guy just wanted to show you what a little weener he has.
Metalheads have a lot of energy, only when they are drunk or in Latin America or similar. The standard concert in Europe is metalheads with their arms crossed saying "wow, what a brutal concert" while blinking in approval.
Not all latin America, metalheads in Uruguay are just as chill (*ahem*boring*ahem*) as in Europe or even more.
Central South America and up are more chaotic (not just metalheads) and American metalheads are somewhere in the middle.
Canada too. Canadian concerts are pretty lit!
@@kevgmei hell yeah !! - from Québec
The bigger the band the smaller the moshpit (in relation to visitors)
Haha if you've ever been to a doom metal show you'd think everyone is sleeping
Metalheads aren't elitists when they're older is the scene's best kept secret.
So true and then when you try to tell non metalheads the reality they refuse to believe it.
I was never an elitist xD
It's so secret... that it isn't even true.
It's true! Most of the bands the kids call you a poser for liking nowadays... are bands MY DAD showed me 🤣
I listen to metal to process the deeply internalized anger I have
The quintessence of all the themes of Farvann in one video. Bravo, this is post-modernism masterpiece!
Hahahaha
The no saving money was the most accurate part for me lol, tinnitus part pretty accurate as well 😅
"Metal STereotypes That Are Actually Trve"
I agree with the non-elitist metalhead except I love Babymetal 😘
Yeah so do I. Even got into Vocametal recently (basically vocaloid and metal)
Give Me Chocolate!!!!
fbi open up
@@eX1st4132 Pretty sure they're all adults now
@@kaelanmcalpine2011 From 21 to 26
Even when you listen to other Music, Metal is still the best.
Agreed, there are good stuff from almost all genre of music ( except Hick Hop, that is country rap ). There is some absolute crap from all genres because the "artists" don't know what they are doing/just there for the money, the chicks, whatever.
There are great manufactured band and crap manufactured bands.
Examples of good:- The monkees, around before I was born, and Babymetal, don't dump on Babymetal.
Bad:- anything that came out of the "reality TV" shows like the voice, America/Britain/Australia got talent ( they didn't ).
If you find other music that's as good as metal, then it's metal, too. That's what all that rockabilly, blues, symphonic, "world", '70s hard rock, '60s psychedelic, '80s New Wave, hardcore punk, industrial, goth rock, and other "non-metal" music is doing in my playlist: it's all metal to me!
I would have to agree. It's usually more complex and complicated to play than any other genre. Plus the vocalists who can do amazing cleans and top tier growls like Tatiana and Corey taylor
You develop yourself to actually enjoy every possible genre of music just to clarify as to why you like metal the most.
There is only one thing I don’t agree with… Techno enjoyers are on the same energy level as metalheads 🔥🔥
Probably even more hahaha
Unless they're dropping X.
I don't drink!
I laughed at the very nice but socially awkward metal head, two words that describe me 😂
“Oh, you're right, is march” sounded DEAD ASS LIKE STEWIE GRIFFIN
1:39 the Twin Peaks poster gave me a bad trip.
I didn't expect anybody to notice hahaha
@@Farvann I am pretty much autistic!
@@Farvanni'm sure many noticed it but dont write it. 😅
"How's Annie?" 😉
"Metalheads are cringe." - true.
That "Happy Little Boozer" by Korpiklaani while opening the fridge was a nice fit xD
Yess it fits so well lol! I was looking for a Korpiklaani mention in the comments lol
My only regret, now that I'm disabled, is that I can't mosh anymore, and yes I miss it! 😢 I can only hope that somewhere out there, someone is still doing the Twist Mosh! 🤘😝 (Literally doing the twist WHILST moshing. Best workout you'll ever have, tones EVERYTHING! Thighs, bum, waist the LOT!) ❤
I was born a Metal Head. I just didn't know it until my uncle was playing Black Sabbath's first album "Black Sabbath". That was in 1970 when the album was released; I was three years old. I vaguely remember jumping around to Black Sabbath at that age in my uncle's house. My family would tell me about the day I heard Black Sabbath the first time and that I was hooked. Growing up, I was all about Metal in all it's forms. Although I do listen to Classical music among other genres; Punk, Grunge, Hard Rock, Humor Core, Shock Rock, Grind Core, etc., etc.. Even Country (Pre 1995. after that it went too pop and no longer had real meaning). I do enjoy Classical because a lot of Metal is Classically inspired.
I have been to countless concerts. I have watched bands grow from their infancy at clubs, events, back yard parties, and even from their garages. I have listened to, watched, met and even hung out with so many that I could not even begin to list them all. There were so many great bands that were never signed or even put out a self release. I wish I had all their music in my collection as well. The 80's was nuts.
I am now 57 years old.
To this day, when it comes down to my primary musical tastes, I look at it like this... When I turn on my music, if it causes everyone within earshot to cry, scream and run to cower in a corner or under a rock, then that is my kind of music... The heavier, the better.
Happy holi from Nepal 🇳🇵 everyone! Specially farvann 😂
Almost 45yo metalhead, and I listen metal because I am listening the metal stuff for over the past 25years. And sometime, I listen other styles of music.
Same here. Jazz. Opera and classic. Limited nostalgia pop-rock. Even ESC. But metal is still the best
I'm similar myself but I always come back to hard rock/ heavy metal.
I just wonder something, i throught that metal went forever to tomb after young.
same 36yo old listen to metal 28y now is there other music out there? xD
Haha so true. When we were teens I knew a dude that had just bought a new Billy Joel box set and when his buddy stopped over he quickly grabbed it and threw it under his bed so his buddy wouldn't catch him listening to Billy Joel, lol. I read that when we are young we put so much stock into things like music because we dont have enough life experience to really have an identity past superficial things like music and other interests so we define our entire identity using those. I'm glad most of us grow out of that because there is so much good music out there. Buddy Holly is one of my favorite musicians of all time and there are times when my iTunes will go from him to Cryptopsy, haha. Good tunes is good tunes!
FALSE!
Metal is superior to everything all of the time in every scenario, no exceptions.
And by Lucifer’s beard put your next record out on vinyl…you fuggin’ savage.
Nah I kid😀 but I’m not😐 go full picture disc black metal vinyl release.
I wish I could!
@@FarvannPre orders beforehand like a fund me kinda thing keep it to like a limited 100 copy release, they either have it or they’re a poser😂
I know I’d buy a copy.
Meanwhile, I listen to metal because this is good sh■t.
2:51 Black Metal fans: Wait, there are lyrics in the songs?
Those bands, they usually print the lyrics down, you know? Many people care about the lyrics in black metal
NSBM subgangre are insist on audible lyrics. And pagan lords too. And sympho guys.
yes, there are amazing lyrics and plenty of black metal bands thought out ones that aren’t just yelling and screaming
as a black metal fan, lyrics are important to me
Normie: "What do you get out of that? You can't understand what they're saying because it's just 'rah-rah-rah' yelling!"
Me: "Understand it? Nah, that's in some other language, and it doesn't matter what they're saying. It's metal!"
Normie: (Pikachu face intensifies....)
The perfect Metal-video! \m/
Well, I don't drink, I don't know anyone else who likes my style of music, my hearings fine because I don't go to concerts & I like metal because my friend got me into Nickelback & Seether when I was 10, but I ended up liking Nightwish more...
That last one killed me 😂. I'm 30, but yeah I listen to metal because I like it 🤷♂️
This video would be true if we were in the 2000-2010 era, now the "muh metalhead gatekeeper, metalhead elitist, metalheads hate each other" stereotype is not true anymore, i don't want to look like the "not every scotsman" guy, it's just a fact, and this stereotype is becoming boring, there are music genres like Punk where people are way more Gatekeeper
(Sorry for the bad english)
Great video man, in all seriousness I love metal because its awesome.
Right as I was saying that Surf Rock is superior in the Discord. Coincidence? Well yeah, but it's true!
That twist ending got me
Metalheads are closeminded about how open minded they are.
Great video....
But fuck you BabyMetal is awesome!
lol
0:55 Honestly...after listening to many many genres really metal is the only one that I find myself enjoying. Everything annoys me a lot, but I can get over it if it's played somewhere, it's that I'm not gonna enjoy it
Farvann you should check out μνήμα (mnima) really good raw black metal from my country greece!!!
I don't always listen to metal. But when I do, so do my neighbours.
Babymetal slaps but a poser wouldn't know.
Worst thing about metal.... Fanbase
Best thing about metal... also the fanbase.
Hot 🔥 and totally on point 👍🏻👍🏻
I'm not a Metal stereotype: i don't drink beer, not a lot money, quiet and shy..
quit and shy is THE STEREOTYP 😂 and at metal shows LETS START A WALL OF DEAth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😇
Gotta support them metal bands
Bought all of Forest Streams albums even if they only have two.
I agree with most of those, and am guilty of many of those stereotypes. The one thing I would argue is most metal heads not only listen to other kinds of music, they have BETTER tastes in other kinds of music! Metal fans are music fanatics first, metal is the gateway to this, and we tend to enjoy some of the better 90s stuff like Portishead or Mazzy Star, weird avante garde shit like the Goblin soundtrack and Tangerine Dream, and folk music like Sandy Denny and Townes Van Zandt.
Also non-metal made by metal heads is almost always top notch, be it mid-era Ulver, This Empty Flow, or Opeth's Damnation...what was that about metal heads explaining things again?
I think there's a Trvu Metal Stereotype they forgot about metalheads arguing over EVERYTHING, and I want to disagree with you, but... well, damn it, I've got most of the same stuff in my music collection, Portishead, Mazzy Starr, Goblin soundtracks, Tangerine Dream, Ulver.... So, let's just pretend I'm saying "Dude, Opeth isn't metal!" or something :D
22y old metalhead, grew more and more into the big metal world since I was like 12 or smth. It began with folk metal because since then I am also a big fan of all medieval things. All I can say is that metal take my bad emotions away and I feel nice again. And yes I'm nice and will always guide you to the museum ❤😂
(Sorry for mistakes, I am originally german)
41 years - I listen to metal because it reminds me of my youth.
51 years - I listen to metal because it's fun to scare "edgy" kids in Slayer t-shirts who think they are tough until you take your work jumper off to display a Baphomet with blood drenched maggots coming out of various orifices and then give the "edgy" kids the evil eye for the rest of the tram ride whilst trying to stifle giggles (true story, ha ha!) 😈
Well, uh, and I love power metal ... ... ... . . . UUUUVWAAAAАААААААААААAA!!!
Haha true, my reasoning for listening to metal was that it's the educated but rebellious music, basically a "I'm smart but I'm also cool" statement. As much as there was truth in it, it definitely was a facade for my insecure self.
Now I'm in my thirties, I listen mostly to brazilian, cuban and afro/fusion/jazz music, metal is still the backbone of my musical journey, and I can tell you, it's not about the genre. There can be more similarities between a melancholic guajiran complaint and a screechy black metal balade, or between a vocoded popular rapper and a generic metalcore band than between two bands of the same sub-genre, like say... Behemoth and Marduk. (don't jump at me, it's hard to find a good example of bands that look similar, and are to an extend, but are still very different, it's just the first fitting one I thought of)
The only thing I agree Metalheads are socially awkward.
"Except of course for whatever baby metal is" 🤣🤣 thank you!
Brilliant again this. "First, it's a woman!". Next vid maybe about how people react to metalheads ( whaddavak did you call me ) or did you do something like that already?. E.g., sometimes non-metallic people that give you the devil horns handsign etc...
Let's not forget the fact that pretty much all of us have played / still play air guitar... while headbanging...
i don't even like metal why is this in my recommendations
But metal is really the best genre of music.🥰 The most creative and passionate. The most diverse in terms of themes for songs. Metal is educational - one Sabaton album is equivalent to five history lessons.😂 To play metal, you have to really love it, because other genres have a much bigger audience.
I can understand the singer, then it's not metal to me.
I listen to metal.
Because it makes me happy 💪
If you want to get into Metal, don't listen to Metal music...go to Farvaan's videos first instead!
Yes! No matter what video, just any video!
0:26 isnt KoRn considered Nu Metal?
Thanks for making metal fun again, Farvann. You are the man.
lol i listen to metal cause i love metal and i am 15
I can't drink... Alco
I feel incomplete. one way or another beer or etc is imposed by marketing
while a listen mostly to metal I don't call myself metalhead... this title is reserved for the people who don't grow out of the "metal" starter pack...
And also I am just not some one who needs this sort of label or identfication... but regular people seem to fullfill their desire to be a part of a group or something...
I struggle every day during the Easter:
I have a dbbl disk prolapse in my neck, So I really shouldn't headbang...but I'm (as always) volunteering at Inferno Metalfestival in Oslo...😅
Headbanging just happens subconsciously 😅
The last 3 characters in the video sum it all up quite nicely 😂
Man hears metal, man hedbangers, man happy.
I have seen this so many times in real life. A metalhead standing and looking macho, but as soon as someone speak to them they are suddenly behaving like 13 year old girls.
Fun fact: According to Norwegian police, there is less problems om metal festivals than with other music genres.
My wife says metal festivals are the most friendly places too...
I listen to metal.
Because it makes me happy 💪
I Listen to Metall because I have TOOOOO MUUUUUCH EEEEENEEEERGYYYYY *growled*
🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I am glad to be the only metalhead that does not follow any of the stereotypes 😅(al thou that is a very metal stereotyped sentence 😂).
I started listening Baroque and Classic, and I have listened jazz, blues, pop, salsa, folk (+others) since I was 13yo. However, Metal was the reason why I studied music. It has always been my main genre (you name any sub-genre, I listen to all of them). You won't find beers in my fridge. Do not smoke, drink occasionally, and respect other people's taste in music. I actually don't like to talk about Metal because I don't like to bother people with my loud taste AND, I actually think Shirts with Band's names are mid. 🤭
„Ich höre kein Metal weils cool ist, sondern weil ich halt gern Metal höre.“ oder was auch immer Drachenlord gesagt hat
Der Typ ist echt unsterblich :D
"Ein Meddler ist ein Meddler, weil er Meddl hört."
I save money
Teachers pet ....
i do like metal, im not saying im a metalhead though. I love Slipknot and Ice Nine Kills.. Cannibal Corpse and Bring Me The Horizon are amazing aswell. I don't headbang though... is that bad?
I don’t drink
16: i listen to metal because society hates me
18: i listen to metal because i hate me (dsbm time :) )
20: oh wait i died in previous step
I became a Metalhead roughly at age 19. Before that I was a victim of fashion aka the crap that is being played on mainstream radio. In private I don't have a radio any longer for over 15 years now. But at work I am forced to listen to that BS being played on the radio there. So I can legitimately say, that Metal is the better music for me. This doesn't mean that it is objecitvely speaking the superior style in general. But for my personal taste: there is nothing that comes even close to Metal and Hard Rock. Though I love me some classic music once in a while and also some Epic Trailer Music like Two Steps from Hell. Anything besides these genres is just crap for me.
I can say that metal is the best because when I was discovering it I quite literally went through, clears throat, classic pop, rap, underground music, singer-songwriters, so called alternative music, classic rock a close second, boy bands, top 40, punk rock, pop punk, most of the cores, new metal, thrash metal, speed metal, power metal, death metal, a bit of techno, dance new wave, hard rock, classic country, southern pop, and finally classic metal where I came firmly to rest. Actually I keep bouncing back and forth between power metal and classic metal recently.
0:27 nah Linkin Park is metal too. Alternative metal.
Really only their first two, some MTM songs and The Hunting Party I'd consider metal
Can't do me dirty like that cmon man 🤣😭
1:37 As a person who reguarly listens to classical and jazz, this is 100% true.
I grew up during the years when loving Nu-Metal _had_ to be your dirty little secret & you couldn't admit to *anyone* that you listened to it, let alone really liked it. I'm afraid that poor training has continued far into my adulthood. I've always loved Nu-Metal & always secretly will. 🤣🤣
"Metalheads educate you" even if you don't want them to (and you most probably don't).
41: I listen to Metal because I finally remembered why I hate society in the first place.
🤣🤣🤣. Real metal is something like iron maiden, Judas Priest. Oh the irony. Thanks for the laugh though.
3:37 I think the same as the 31yr old guy and I'm only 21, guess I'm not young anymore
Same
54 yr old: I STILL listen to metal 🤘🤘🤘🤘
Tinnitus gang raise!
What?😂🍻
Linkin park avenged sevenfold...yea😂that not metal...thats give me justin beiber vibes
They is nothing wrong in liking babymetal
True
The tinnitus was hilarious and true... and sad.
"Metalheads drink" - Well, duh, I'm not a camel. :D Oh, wait, you mean alcohol? Eh, rarely.
"Metalheads educate you" - Of course, we're humans too, we force others to know about our special interests. :P
"Metalheads are(n't) elitists" - Uhm. I hated techno, and "mulatós" (dunno it in english, like they do in parties after the wedding, etc), maybe hiphop too (ok, not even maybe :D ), but besides these... I always loved classical music, and '80s pop too for example. And of course, I hate techno, because that's not music, but noise. :P
"Metalheads have too much energy" - On concerts maybe, but tell me you do the same when you're hangover, or you have the food coma. :D
"Metalheads support artists" - Well... in Hungary, it is not punishable by law to download music for own usage. Just sayin'. I personally don't like physical copies of music/movies/etc, because they either lose quality because of the lot playing (vinyls, tapes, VCR, etc), or CDs just lose data in time.
"Metalheads don't like metalheads". - Right. Brothers and sisters are natural enemies. Like metalheads, and techno ppl. Or metalheads and rappers. Or metalheads and rnb fans. Or metalheads and other metalheads. Damn metalheads, they ruined metal. >:( But out of jokes: death fans vs black fans? xycore fans vs xy fans? Numetal fans vs everybody else? Hell, even blackmetal subgenre # 1fans vs blackmetal subgenre # 2 fans? :) Also, anybody is even just looking to my cats in a wrong way, they're a dead man walking. That's not a threat, that's a fact. ;)
"Metalheads are actually nice" - Idk how stereotype a thing is what nobody else knows, but yeah, It always made me smile how people in the night, out in the streets, after a party, are safer with two spike covered, black&white faced, satanist lyric screaming dudes than with an all-white covered bunch of guys, who just came out of the local technodisco club. :D
"...but socially awkward" - Even online they talk too much if they like something. Ugh. Metalheads, amiright...
"Metalheads know the lyrics" - fakest stereotype ever lol. :D
"Metalheads can't hear you" - omg, that tinnitus. I had it before (not because of the loud music, there was a problem with my ear by itself), luckily doctors helped me, I was about to go mad about it. That brought back memories. Not pleasent ones. :S
"Metalheads gotta have reasons." - I love the 14yo cap. :D I always listened to metal because it brought me to another world. I didn't hate society, I hated only the part what was around me, but I don't think they had anything to do with each other.
I love to give detailed responses to these lists, not that anybody would care, but oh well. ^^