Ironblaster BOOMstack
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2022
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Appreciate it man
Love your content!
My two fav TW content creators.....although your mini painting is....questionable.
Holy shit that first volley. I don't think even the Engineer-Trollhammer Irondrake stack was this absurdly jacked.
Idk those drakes one shot a sun dragon
Seriously. They goddam OVERKILLED two lords at the same time. And the second one was just collateral lol
@@TJ-vo3rv They also just overkilled a dragon when they aimed for another unit
This is a Trollhammer doomstack with 73 speed, with fairly easy hero access and heroes that are not completely useless at fighting. Just fix the bugged unit positioning and it is a straight upgrade.
I was listening to the video in the background at this point, heard Legend's reaction and tabbed over to see what happened. My first impression? "What's he on about, I don't see any damaged units?"
10:37 Missile mirror was casted on the ironblaster on the right
19:09 second, deadly missile mirror
that missile mirror are one strong spell (if place and cast properly)
Ogres my Lord and I hope Colonel Damneders gets some good growth from this, always loved his content.
Well thats an anti single entity doomstack if I've ever seen one, even someone with 90% wardsave should die fast.
It's anti-everything really. The ironblasters shred infantry just as well if not better than single entities.
Its like undead Gundam artillery wasnt powerful enough to spam in WH2 lol. And the 'worst' might be still just around the corner: Nobody should have more powerful artillery than Chaos Dwarfs. Their most powerful artillery ought to be akin to Queen Bess. Except its spammable. It might be awful against single entities though, like nukes, we'll see...
@@romaliop I wouldn't say that, I think they definitely get a bit of overkill damage after a certain point with mass cheap infantry. Even in this video, the single entities went down much faster than groups
@@extratayodancer Infantry is trickier to get good hits on, but if you get the positioning and angle right they blast through units very quickly. Small single entities can take quite a few shots, but large single entities fall ridiculously fast. Overall I'd still say this stack kills anything with such ease that the discussion about who it kills the easiest is more or less academic.
I'd think they might have trouble with a phoenix doomstack, cause yes even just 10% of the damage is still good damage, but when you have fast units that can heal more effectively than you, then it'd be a lot harder to actually win I think. Of course we'll need to wait and see for when immortal empires is out, since we need to see if CA nerfed the high elves at all or not. But I do think phoenix doomstack would give this army trouble if not outright beat it, especially if controlled by a player. I do multiplayer with a friend a lot, granted he doesn't like ogres, and he doesn't really like high elves either, so testing this wouldn't be something that'd normally come up when playing against him. I imagine others could probably do a multi to try that out when immortal empires is out. Cause yes you can test in custom battle but that's without a lot of the buffs you'd see in campaign, so neither army would perform as well. The ironblasters would do significantly less damage, the phoenixes would be less tanky, and so on.
Thanks Legend! Sent this file in, for context it took 34 turns to get the big names from disbanding and recruiting hunters and I was done with it at turn 64 (I recruited the Tyrant on turn 1). All you need to unlock the big name is fight a battle with leadbelchers so it's actually pretty easy as far as trait farming goes and I needed disposable hunters to close rifts anyways.
I have a feeling that boosting the missile damage so high is a bit of a waste since you're overkilling everything outside of high hp single entities. You might be able to inflict more total damage by having a few less heroes and a few more ironblasters.
@@Your_Paramour the stonehorn hunters are actually super useful against massed cheap infantry, so it's not like you're completely wasting a slot there.
I think 13 ironblasters is the peak for just focusing on ironblasters. It offers the highest total missile strength across all ironblasters, plus 30% more ammo. That being said, the hunters aren't dead weight, so losing a little less ironblaster power compared to such good heroes is an exchange I think could be argued as worth it.
Haven't played Ogres a ton yet, I really do just favor Khorne a lot, Skarbrand is very fun to play for me, and Khorne is my favorite chaos god. But honestly from my own limited experience with ogres, there's not too much this army would need to worry about in WH3's races, so as to whether or not more hunters or more ironblasters is the way to go is a fairly minor point. Cause aside from Cathay with it's missile mirror, the only other things that give this a hard time would be armies with 90% physical resist, like phoenix doomstack, with the healing and high ward save I think the phoenixes would win, but the only way you'd fight that is if you're playing immortal empires against a high elf player. As for the AI, phoenixes might still be dangerous, but since the AI doesn't spam them that much, and isn't going to know to get healing magic or items for more ward save, I think the AI would be just unable to really beat this unless it had just more overwhelming armies, which doesn't happen too often.
IDK, by turn 60 I only managed to see that big-name twice....
Though it seems minor, I really enjoy seeing LoTW promoting smaller channels. Really shows how much he genuinely cares for these games.
It's ridiculous how much trouble the Ironblasters have with lining up its like they think people wouldn't get more than 2 in an army
It's a problem with the scraplaunchers as well... when you drag them out in a line, the gap between the individual models is too small. Just increasing that gap would probably solve a lot of the issues.
Started ogres yesterday, and my gnoblar hunters were aiming 180° from wherever they should have.
So many strange problems
Little Groms have same issue. I generally put them in a locked control group so they have spacing to mitigate this issue
@@jasonhickle7584 I'd use the click and drag with alt instead, granted it's slower doing it that way, but there's just several ways to approach this, regardless I think CA needs to make it so the units space themselves properly without needing to do these things. Of course that's a secondary issue to making realm of chaos campaign more enjoyable as well as releasing immortal empires, but it is something I think should be changed, and due to the nature of it, it's a fairly small and easy fix I'd imagine.
@@horrocko All artillery units really.
4:16
Gotta be the most satisfying thing I've seen in a while
"STOPSTOPSTOPSTOPSTOP-"
Brought to you by the Missile Mirror gang
That first volley was like the cartoon trope where the character gets blown up and the only thing remaining is their shoes.
lmao that first shot fucking vaporized the lord
I really like the way you’ve consistently advertised and supported smaller channels, throwing them end of stream viewers and plugging channels in videos. I think a lot of TW content creators owe you a lot (Majorkill). Really shows you’re a pillar of positivity in the community
These shout outs are awesome, I've been watching Colonel for a few years now but its cool to see Legend highlight him!
Pretty cool to see Legend shout out Colonel Demanders. As a newer player who effectively never plays campagins or battles above hard his guides were very informative on which armys were to my stlye and so which to try and learn first. Legend was useful for learning high level cheese and that legendary-very hard wasn't for me hah. Not to mention that both are just fun to watch, great work legend, glad to see it.
In both my Ogre campaigns I ran similar stacks, although with "only" 5 of the +20% dmg Big Names rather than 9 per army. It's damn effective, although it's a lot easier to spam Leadbelchers as they're only t3 and can be recruited at rank 9 early on in the campaign, long before you get access to Ironblasters.
The first volley just instantly deleting the enemy lord left me in stitches.
Nice of you for the shout out to colonel , he makes really good guides!
It’s only one weakness though and missile mirror is so rare, like only one race would have it and even if they do it’s easy to bait it out and then kill the one character. Personally it’s more of a 10/10 though a bit pricy
A few thoughts on my side on other potential weaknesses. Gorger stack or skaven jezzail stack
@@marijndeleede2156 Yeah how often do u ever see the AI do those? In 6000 hours I've never seen more than 4 Jezzails in one AI army
He could have baited Missile Mirror with his hunters harpoons. Although honestly I was impressed he juked it so often with the cannons.
I'd say like 9.5, maybe even 9.9, but not quite 10/10.
That pathing is a big hurdle for any player. Doesn't deserve 10 unless that upcoming patch fixes this.
Yo legend, here's a comment to cheese the algorithm. Also mad props for promoting the smalls guys! Building the community builds the game, and mighty fine seeing you joining the order tide on that one!
I was watching for that missile mirror almost hoping it would happen so I could watch the effect 😂
Ogres in general are excellent at dealing with Tzeentchian forces. A firing line of Leadbelchers with Gnoblars in the front. Costs only like 1500 per army and gets the job done most of the time. Particularly if the Tyrant gets the Big Name with Unbreakable Gnoblars. xD
Amazing army, very creative, very strong.
Plus be ready to test it against the single weakness you can potentially meet within this army is remarkable.
It requires a lot of efforts to get and it’s quite expensive yeah, but other than that it’s insane !
Wondering if 9-9 balance is the best choice though… but in anycases, it’s a great idea 👌
If I did my math right, the peak missile strength would be at 13 ironblasters, 6 hunters, 1 tyrant. It would result in about 4% more total missile strength, but also a 30% more ironblaster ammo. 12:7:1 has the same missile strength but less ironblaster ammo. Of course, as the end of the battle showed, the hunters are still very powerful on their own, so losing some ironblaster power/ammo to have a couple more isn't exactly what I would call wasted potential.
It’s so very clear how much you care about this game. Kudos.
When you thought ogres are big and stupid, but there's ogre tyrant with a personal army of Tiger 2 tanks.
more like storm tigers
@@honorguard7616 more like shadowswords
As someone who started playing after the Steam winter sale, Colonel Damneders has been SUPER CLUTCH for me learning the game.
FYI: With 20% dmg increase 8 big names with 12 ironblasters will be the optimal ratio for maximum total ironblaster damage (7 hunters + lord). But considering the heroes have their own use too 10 to 10 seems like a safer choice (You only lose like 5% Ironblaster potential).
ha looks like you were a stormtrooper looking for a droid :)
the amazing thing to me in all of legends videos is how the AI always derps the f out. if this was me, the ai would have rushed me. his mastery of manipulating the ai always fascinates me
thank you for all the great content
this is a hilarious doomstack. missile mirror is craaazzzyy good against stuff like this but without missile mirror this stomps
seems like a superfun boomstack!
That many missile mirrors is very rare. 10/10
These rediculous cannons bring lord-sniping to its finest!
I can feel Legend sweating that micro.
Love that colonel shoutout.
Wow, looks like a very fun doomstack. ^^
It's a shame the AI was just running around doing nothing.
I almost choked on my food after the first volley lmao
Was disappointed to see the thumbnail wasn't of Bruce Campbell holding a shotgun above his head with an Ogre face crudely edited on top of his
colonel is exactly what i needed
Oh my! That first volley.
this could theoretically be a good counter to previous "strongest" doomstacks like the 19 pompous skinks on stegadons. It outranges them, kills them quickly, and has more speed. Useless knowledge in practice but kind of funny to think about when saying "this stack can handle anything."
Possibly. By the time they got one shot off, though, the skinks could probably get in range to fire back, and it would only take like one shot to rout them.
@@Loj84 you just need crown of command on one of the heros and they'll wipe the stinks
@@luiousy7329 crown of command only gives unbreakable to one unit. Not gonna work.
Take a drink everytime Legend says Missile Mirror
Got the boom boom bangs going on!
What?! My man Okoii didn't get around to making this doomstack first? 🤯😝
Does missile mirror work of towers in sieges ?
I like this stack and the bear stacks a lot. I don’t really need my armies to be idiot proof and these look fun!
Thanks for the video
wow, I have watched a ton of these doomstack videos and meme builds and never seen a character get deleted that hard.
Missile mirror is the only spell in the game that can do this, against anything else this army is 9.5/10
Thinking about it, this doomstack would destroy any doomstack except for pompous and stinky spam. And I do mean any, since this gunline would probably wreck every 1 man doomstack as well. Even with 90% reduction that's 500 damage a shot times 10 in a volley. Stalking malus darkblade is the only one that even has a chance.
They wouldn't if the map was tiny and they had to fight the bloodthirster stack or arcane Phoenix stack. There are definitely things that can beat this
@@M.L.official Summon spam would be effective too. Would take a lot of it, but enough to get a vampire hero stack into melee would work.
@@varmituofm i think a stack of khorne cultists on horse back would do the trick for sure. Thats my main army but again it depends on who is operating the armies. This ogre one is definitely very brainless tho. Still, i dont think that should be given bonus points.
@@M.L.official I mean hero stack is so cheese it beats any other army just by having 30% ward save on items alone. The bloodthrone one is probably only ever beaten by the equally riduclous pompous doomstack
If you make the corpses disappear, does the stuck bug goes?
this looks so much fun to me
that looks fun as hell
How often missle mirror is used by ai?
Did they remove the boommaker big name for hunters recently? I recruited already like 50 of them with no luck :/ for tyrants i got in on try 10
Yeah I remember my first encounter with missle mirror, I had ironblasters and it took one of them out.
love a good doomstack
Love watching you Legend and will continue to do so but I'm going back to Warhammer 2, just not having fun right now.
I probably wouldn't doomstack these myself, but I think taking a couple along with basically every ogre army is a no brainer. They punch holes through settlement walls instantly, destroy enemy towers and can clear out any single entities before your army engages.
Honestly with all the demons you're fighting you need a giant cannon like this to help.
Legend and Colonel D DOOMSTACK
Can't wait to play Ogre Kingdoms and Chaos Dwarfs in Immortal Empires.
I think they just found the counter to the lone Zhao ming (miao MM) and also the counter to your famous stegaspam. I bet this would also severely jack up the bear cav army too. I wonder if you could save those characters and build a game against it? Sorta surprised you haven't done that really tbh, lol
Well done for promoting more smaller RUclipsrs.
idk why these guns stand so close together when drag-forming. They get stuck on each other.
Knowlwdgeable, now that’s overpowered and needs a nerf. but 180% bonus missile strength is fine
ca is strange
TBF knowledgeable was extremely strong and was a pervasive problem across many factions that skewed things towards spellcasters in the game as a whole. This is just kind of a funny oversight for one faction.
Ogres are already confirmed to be getting the first nerfs in 1.1
Hey yo that's my boi!
The Iron Blaster is quick they are great at kiting anyone without calvary and they hold their own against dogs, unlike other artillery.
This doomstack is soooo groooooooooovy.
I assume the big names stacking like this is an error. Wasn't Dwarf Engineers like this in a way that enabled the Torpedo Irondrake doomstack? I believe that was nerfed/fixed.
❤️ Colonel Damneders
love the creator shoutout legend Appreciate it
Holy shit does this look dangerous.
why didnt they approach? they just never charged..
I think the leadbelchers actually miss themselves with missile mirror, most artillery does for some reason
Why do ironblasters sound like they have silencers on
Incredible
bruh that first voley killed the wizard too even tho they werent aiming for her 2 for one damn
BOOMstack?! AWHHH YEAH :D
Using wolfram alpha, you get the optimal damage with 7 heros and 12 iron blasters.
This is basically M.A.D in warhammer 3. So much firepower but if you use it you can die too!
Legend!!!!!!!
Shout out to channel- ElvenPlotArmour!
And big respect to Enticity too!
I think the Maneater stack is stronger for Ogres, you're not scumming for traits or recruiting hunters every turn. Probably dodges the nerf bat too because MP is so focused on nerfing Ironblasters and Gorgers into the ground, so it should be slightly future proof. Don't know how long the pistol version survives esports balance. When a skirmish unit can skirmish and also brawl in SP even if it's tier5 I expect the MP crowd to quickly remedy that.
Da boom stack
Items my Lord^^
The hell 4.8k in large unit scale damn
AI should at least think to charge in if it has this many anti large units and you have an entirely large army.
So this is basically tier 4 towers on wheels. I hate that mental image why did i think of it
4:12 fastest I’ve ever seen a general go down in ANY Total War game. 🤭
Trollhammer torpedo stack did the same thing essentially. 100-0'd a sun dragon instantly, and they weren't even aiming at it.
Enjoy them while they still good
4:19 holy moly
wez orkz luv a big boom
I do wonder how long they will stay decent as this since I believe they are planned to be nerved.
They have to be nerfed with those staking buffs ^^
Boomaker is easy to unlock just win a battle with 2 leadbelchers in your army
These artillery look like a lot of fun.
Just finishing painting the map red with Khorne so I will give these fatboys a play next and see how much fun they are.
Probably should have charged your hunters forward and used their javs till the missile mirror was cast, then open up with the iron blasters during the cooldown time. Nice doom stack.
I wonder if you're overkilling everything that isn't a single entity when you shoot it? Perhaps an extra blaster or two would be better.
Waiting for the slaaneshi coomstack
YES
I really don’t think the TWW3 stock is going to the moon even with the release of IE.
Sometimes you ask yourself if the ai got dumber in the jump to WH3