The 15 inch butterfly keyboard MacBook Pro is good now?!?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2020
- It’s now getting close to a year since the 16 inch MacBook Pro replaced the 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro with butterfly keyboard. In the past months the previous 2018 and 2019 MacBook Pros have significantly dropped in value, leaving us to ask the question: are they worth it in 2020?
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wow those prices are really good! maybe I can afford one in 27 years or something
Yeah how would you like to use a high end pc from 1993 yeah wouldn't be cool😂😂😂😂
oli tesla haha I’m currently using a 2008 that’s not so far
@@jhbergallo I'm on a 2006 lol
@@jhbergallo im on a 2011, not too bad
27 like an iMac 🖥?
Those prices are insanely good, but spending $1,500 on an ebay listing gives me anxiety 😂
YES Same THANK YOU
Jean I know. The amount he relies on eBay is astounding! I’m curious if the free insurance included on most credit cards would cover eBay purchases...
Just make sure you read the entire description and check the seller rating before buying. Ebay has gotten a lot better at protecting buyers
Same lol
exactly
Why are we talking about Butterfly keyboards? I thought they were as dead as my future lifespan.
*_Yikers.._*
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hahahhahaha
Lmao
bruh your better than my first gen intel i5 "hd" graphics
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The Luke Miani Effect: making recommendations causes low supply and prices to temporarily spike lol
haha he trying to sell his stocks of 15 inch mac books
For me, any Mac with a butterfly keyboard is never worth it. Being able to use the keyboard without fear of it breaking is paramount.
That’s why I got a 2020 one with magic keyboard
My 2016 13" never had a keyboard issue. I say that in the past tense as I ended up with a swollen battery and Apple replaced the whole top case including keyboard for free - so now I have the 2017 (I think, maybe newer) keyboard and have never had an issue with that either.....
4 years using the butterfly keyboard and never had any issue
I went through three keyboard replacements before selling my MBP 13 after replacing it again. I’d avoid the butterfly keyboard at all costs.
@@MichaelGGarry dude every Mac has failing keyboards, as well as failing display cables. Sure some of them might be OK, a lot fail and this is just plain bad design and a crappy product and customer service that cannot be excuses.
Sent from my 2019 i9 15 inch MacBook Pro...refreshing to see this video.
I like the new camera angle!
Purchased a MacBook Pro 15 (2019) with the i9 and 560X back in September, 2019. Still sounds and works as a good machine should, and no regrets of missing out on the new 16-inch MacBook Pro 😁😁😅😅.
Absolutely love your videos man
Food for thought. Great vid and very informative.
Agreed!
I am using a 2016 15" MBP as my daily driver for almost 4 years now. Yes - it does get hot quickly when it get's pushed a little - however from my personal experience I don't get the massive fuss about the butterfly keyboard. It has never given me any trouble and still works like on day one. Would find it hard to believe that I was just lucky...
I'd feel more comfortable if official failure rates were ever published. There's some scattered reports of the 3.5 gen Butterfly keyboard failing but it doesn't seem as widespread, but at the same time it was old news by then, so I'd really love actual numbers which we'll never get out of Apple.
bought a 2019 MBP 15'' 2 month before the 16'' was anounced... still loving the 2019 butterfly keyboard and the slightly lower profile then the new 16' MBP.
Crazy I just made a good second hand buy of the 2017 mbp, and I love the butterfly keys, so easy to type, no pressure at all compared to the 2015.
Shoudn’t you just wait for the 16” ARM MacBook Pro to come out so that the 2019 16” drops in price so you can avoid the butterfly keyboard and get the 5000 series graphics cards?
I think he explained why in the video
You could, but as I said the 16” Apple Silicon MacBook isn’t due for a while- could be more than a year. If you can hold out then by all means do, but if you have a budget under 2K or you need a laptop soon then that’s not really an option
@@lukemiani Ok, thanks.
yeah
The 16" ARM macbook is really what I want but seems unlikely because (a) intel doesn't even have a Tiger Lake chip ready for it until Q1 2021, or (b) if Apple jumps right to ARM, they are lagging on the gpu front. It's possible it could be mid-2021, or late 2021, but no one know =/
I’m just gonna stick with my 2015 15’’ dual graphics MBP... absolutely love it and all the ports
Always to the Point
This was exactly what I was looking for! I just inherited an i9 2019 butterfly for free and I love it!
Nothing will convince me to get another butterfly keyboard...
Well... there is one way If you can swap it out to the magic keyboard ⌨️
I feel the same way.... I bought one, the I bought an Alienware m15R3 then tried the 2020 MacBook Air and don’t want to go back.
Is it that bad?
I use to love the Butterfly keyboard on my Macbook Pro 2018 model. But then a few keys started double typing after a year, I've been coping well with the Unshaky app. Will probably take it in for free repair some time soon.
For some reason, I have never had problems with a butterfly keyboard. I had a 2015 MacBook, which is claimed to be the worst keyboard in history. But I have a 16 inch MacBook Pro now and it’s AMAZING ⭐️
The butterfly keyboard is amazing. Not really the first revision from 2015 MacBook, but from the 2018 MacBook Air (2nd Gen butterfly)
I'm satisfied with my refurbished 16 inch, it's more than perfect in every possible way, but I'm happy the prices on 15 inch have gone down enough to make them an amazing deal.
Good advice. I have to check this out for my mother who needs to replace her 2012 fairly shortly. The 15" MBPro 2018 is at or lower cost than the 13" from this year we were looking at and the 15" comes with the 9th gen CPU compared to some 13" models which come with 8th gen
Great video. Earlier this year I purchase a 15” MacBook Pro with i9, 32GB, Vega 20, 2TB for $2,300. Haven’t had any issues with it since I bought it
I have a refurbed late 13’ MacBook Pro. The 18-19 15’ now has my attention.
I use my macbook pro 2019 13 inch base model and the keyboard has been working great since day one.
Still i only have it since December lets see how much it will last.
But im super happy with the machine :D
By the way, nice new on-set light setup!
I have a 2019 15“ MacBook Pro and i Can say That it is an incredible good Price and you should defenetly spend the Money on it
How is it a good price when you gonna have to spend god knows how much to get the keyboard fixed.... and even the new keyboard will break.....That's why they stopped making them.
The old Butterfly keys didn't have adequate cushioning to dissipate the hammering force of typing fingers. Those keys didn't have a "rubber cushioning" of some kind and that was why some people complained of key travel factor diminishment. Apple just needed to apply some rubber cushioning seal ring of some kind so that there would be a simulated sensation of some significant pronounced key travel effect being felt while typing.. I guess. Those MacBooks were and are still cool anyway.
Those old butterfly keys just needed each a rubber cushioning seal ring so that those keys can rest momentarily thus dissipating the hammering force of typing fingers.
I got a 2019 15 inch I9 for $1700 last November right after the 16 inch came out. The guy just wanted to upgrade quick. He bought that laptop 2 months before. Only issue with it was a small dent on the top case. Still running like a champ and I have 0 issues with it. I got a steal
I have a 2018 MacBook Air Retina (3rd generation butterfly keyboard) and I never had a problem with the keyboard.
Thank you Luke now the 2018-19 MacBook Pro models will go back up. 😉
Even if they do it’s all good since I am not looking. Great observation and work today.
I bought the 2018 MacBook used 32g/1T/ Vega pro 20. I love it! This is my first MacBook...
butterfly keyboard? ew thanks but no thanks
Exactly
Even at those prices?
I got the improved butterfly with the replacement program and Mine is a 2017 pro... I really like the loud clacking of it and have had zero issues since it was replaced! I think I might upgrade when the new silicon comes out though
hey! My 2017 pro's keyboard is failing and i plan to get it replaced. I am interested to know more about the difference after the replacement.
Why is Luke not using an adblocker?
I tried the butterfly and traditional keyboard and both feel the same. I kinda like the butterfly keyboard bc i was able to type much faster.
Not being able to run windows on Apple silicone is almost a dealbreaker for me
The only 2 years left of the keyboard replacement program on my 2018 MBP kind of makes me nervous.
Where do you get all of your cool backgrounds
It looks quite nice with big sur.
pretty happy with my 2018 15" pro..the track pad is great u can indeed use it unlike windows machines!
I have the 2019 15” and it’s at the repair center again getting its 4th keyboard since July 2019, which was a replacement to the failed keyboard 2018s I had. I absolutely despise the butterfly keyboard.
Complain hard enough and u get a 16 inch like me
I literally have one collecting dust broken with the "flex gate" issue. Trying to decide if it's worth it to fix.
Not a terrible idea. I'm thinking of upgrading from my 2018 13" touch bar to something with a little more horsepower, and after selling my current one, I could effectively spend only a few hundred bucks for something that still has a decent amount of power to keep me happy until the Apple Silicon ones come out in a year or two, and maybe even give me time until a generation or so has passed (I learned that lesson the hard way when I rushed out and bought a Core Duo [not Core 2 Duo] MacBook when they transitioned to Intel).
Great video. I would like to make a suggestion for your next video. A similar video to your previous "The Ultimate used MacBook buyers guide for 2019!", an updated video touching on the 13" 15" and 16" used MacBook and the best eBay/used pricing you feel are great buys if someone can't bother to wait for the new MacBooks to come out later this year. I in fact just purchased two MacBooks recently that I would like to know if I got a good deal on. #1 Apple 13" MacBook Pro 2019 2.8GHz 1TB SSD 16GB A1989 MV9A2LL/A-BTO +A Grade for $1498.31 and #2 Apple 16" MacBook Pro 2019 2.6GHz Core i7 512GB SSD 32GB for $2,336.44 total. Thanks, Luke
Thanks Luke! I bought a 2019 MAcBook Pro 15” i9 8core 1TB w/16gb RAM and the 560X GPU for $1800 on eBay with AppleCare Plus.
my 12.9 ipad pro gives almost the same performance.
a 12 inch ARM macbook + 30 inch monitor dock + cheap ipad might be the best homestation use.
touchscreen for writing + apps are so useful, but macos folder management is crucial also.
I’m just about to buy one in Australia! Found a place selling new old stock for great prices so I’m gonna jump on one!
I am one of those that shortly after the 16inch was released took advantage of the new lower cost for the 15"👍 lucky here in the UK the prices correcto much earlier.
I bought back in February a 10 months old 2018 i7 6core model with 512gb SSD, 16gb of ram and Radeon 560x all for 1200£
And I did found the video about the value of the 15 Vs 16 from last year a useful benchmark.
I have recently brought an macbook pro 13 inch with 32gb of ram and an core i5 I wanted an i7 but Apple didn't have any in the refurbished sections. and I didn't want to wait for the arm based macbooks to come out in-case they are any problems when they launch
Is it worth it for a base model?
I got a 2018 high end 15 (2.6 i7, 512Gb, 560x) for only $1100 last month. I bought it as "parts not working", the seller stated that the touchbar is cracked and not working. I took the risk and got it anyway. It turned out that the touchbar is fine, just the left corner is blacked out. Then I went to an Apple certified repair shop and got the whole topcase replaced for the keyboard. Now I got it with a brand new battery and keyboard, and even the touch bar has been replaced along with the topcase. Pretty good.
Got a 2018 model for $500 recently ($2600 MSRP). It's crazy how quickly these depreciated in value, yet still don't feel outdated.
Impossible to find this kind of listing / deal in Europe... I'll wait to see how the market is evolving with the silicon then...
I know right for me, especially in the UK
Even worst in France, specially because I took the bad habit (during more than 25 years) to use an AZERTY keyboard. So if I don't want the cost or the trouble to switch keyboard I'm stuck with the French market...
Aur FSR that’s sad... in the uk I always to seem to find azerty keyboard macs barely any qwerty
Whats the Song during the Intro? Got my heart rate down by at least 10 beats...
I already have 15" 2019 high end MacBook Pro. I don't have any issued with it while editing videos or recording on Logic. Its just I have Macs Fan Control app & I am good to go. No worries about Throttling or over heating.
16' also has a keyboard problem, Caps lock works 1/5 times and the metal arms designed to support keys like caps and shift start rattling pretty quickly. It won't be a massive problem IF you have a warranty, mine was replaced in 5 days without any questions.
*edit I bought my pro 16' two weeks ago for 2000$, it's really not worth getting 15' unless you are buying the 1500 and below models
Here in 2022, is it still worth buying one?
I just bought a 2018 15” for $1550. Do you people (and Luke) think that this is a good deal? The specs are:
2.6ghz 6-core i7
16GB ram
Radeon Pro 560X graphics
1TB storage
Oh, and the guy who I bought it from originally bought it as refurbished from Apple this July and used it for only 2 months.
Of course it was a good one!
which gen i7?
Techy_ Dude21 it’s a 8th gen 2.6ghz 6-core i7
@@danieleybelman2611 straight from apple on refurb?
Techy_ Dude21 The person who I bought it from originally bought it refurbished from Apple in July
How much do you think the iPad pro 11s will drop in price once the new ones arrive?
After the keyboard replacement on my 2-port MBP13 2017 I expected it will break down again in 6-12 months and I will get a new battery for free again (I still want it), but it didn't happened for last 2 years since.
Sometimes some keys feel that maybe something happens, but it doesn't happen (I still wish it will happen so I can sell it with brand new battery).
Considering Butterfly macbooks - I'd be happy to buy 32gigs 2018-2019 macbook refurbished from apple or someone else (to have 4 year keyboard warranty) and be happy with it for a while.
Another good point: 32-bit Game and App support with Mojave. Love your videos! 😀
Sticking with Early 2015 13 inch until 2023. What I am looking to upgrading to is the 2020 iMac. I seriously don’t want to experiment with a Rev A Apple Silicon iMac. I am also looking at my usage, I rarely go anywhere with my MacBook Pro, a bigger screen is always welcome and it would be great for more the relax and unwind moments I want after work: Netflix and RUclips. I was watching a DW documentary about the origins of life on earth on my iPad Pro, even though it was great, I was thinking how much nicer this would have been on a 27 inch 5K screen. Also, I’m living somewhere with cheap rent, don’t see myself moving anytime soon, so, it be a good long term machine to have around.
I still use a 15" Macbook Pro circa late 2013 and it's great - I have no reason to buy anything else. In fact I am upgrading it soon to a 1TB fast NVMe M.2 via use of an adapter.
if 13inch arm mac comes out should we wait for 14inch macbook pro
In January 2020, I was able to grab a brand new 2019 base model 15' macbook pro for just $1799. The original price couple months prior was $2,399.
It makes sense actually.
Got a great deal on my 2018 15inch MB Pro, at about 1560 euros. This is the base model but it still has a 6 core i7, 16gb of DDR4 ram, Radeon Pro 555X GPU with 4Gb of vram. This is cool for me :)
I love the butterfly keyboard is clicky with not much travel
Can you publish a detailed video comparison of i9 15 inch vs 16 inch i9 macbook pro ? I do strongly feel its more or less competant to each other. I own a 15 inch i9 mid 2019 , its very compact, doesn't experience thermal throttling and benchmarks is almost as same as the 16 inch macbook pro. The only difference might be the keyboard and sound quality.
Do you still think there will be a 2020 MacBook 16 update?
New lighting?
How does a 2016 base 15 inch macbook pro compare against a 2020 base 13 inch macbook pro? I'm planning on buying one for my studies, oh and also, do 2016 15 inch mbps have any issues or things that I should be aware of since those machines have no warranty anymore? Thank you so much
Hi luke, I am a student who is looking to buy a new computer. I don't need it immediately and can wait for some time. Do you think if and when the apple silicon 13' mb comes out, It will have student discount too?
I need a high end MacBook Pro but I can’t decide if I should wait for the new Apple Silicon and or buy a MacBook Pro 16” now
buy it now
I would def enjoy a 15in MBP over the 13in. Butterfly keyboard or no.
just bought a base model 2017 MacBook pro 15 inch for 780. hope i got a good deal
I have a 2018 15" and would not recommend it, just go with the 2019 "it has to be better". But yea, no bueno.
Good value
I'm saving for the 16"
Will an ARM processor ever be as powerful as a Xeon or i9, though? I just got a fully pimped 16-incher because, if anything else, I have a VERY fast Winblows machine when the (unfortunate) transition is complete, so, in a weird way, I have two machines fo the price of one, and I’ll have more or less universal compatibility with over 90% of the world’s personal computers. Peace.
Are you seeing a 13” MacBook Pro going down in price again? I know they went up earlier in the year
new camera?
I'm confused, I want a 15" I can still run Adobe CS6 on that (means Mojave or less). Right now I'm using it with OS10.13. Is the 2015 15" DG still the best for the $? or should I go with newer? Thanks, I'm confused because I remember you saying the butterfly keyboard was not particularly good.
Hey Luke should I buy a 2017 MacBook Pro 13 inch that has 8gb ram and 256gb SSD? For around 760
No , but i think i am late lol , it is too late lol
Last time i used a butterfly keyboard, it SUCKED PAPER KEYBOARDS idk paper? Btw do you know how to micro solder a wireless card cable connector on my mbp?
It is an amazing laptop, thanks.
I had MBP 2017 once and the keyboard really is a mess. It really gave me tons of problems. In and out of Apple Store for repairs. Luckily I still got my MBP 2012 A1278 as back up in which I NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS (except for the battery ofcourse which is aging). Butterfly keyboard is really an improvement.. improvement to sell and dispose🤣🤣🤣✌🏻✌🏻
me not knowing about the new October/November MacBooks and watching this on the Mac Pro I opened this morning 👁👄👁
Mac Pro, or MacBook Pro?
Hello. Few question for you or anyone. I’m in music production. Using Protools 12.9.2020. As I use an external keyboard the butterfly keyboard is not an issue for me, also as I’m not doing video editing I don’t need the best graphics card. But for me I need better cpu, ram and storage. So would you or anyone lean towards the 2018 or 2019? Right now I’m on a 2014 mbp, 2.5ghz, I7, 16gb of ram, 1tb storage, and the graphics is the intel Iris pro. I feel I’m pushing this machine to it’s limits. Sometimes I only have one or two things open and ram is being used up and also my cpu. Also I need to stay in Mojave because of some programs I run don’t work on Catalina yet. But I was also thinking of getting the mid 2015 mbp which I heard was the best so far and a little better than my 2014.
A lot of the mentioned $1600-$1800 models @6:20 have a reason that they are cheaper. Opened boxes, refurbished, pre-owned. So, it's not new.
even tho, almost half price is still insane.
Got a 2019 pro 15 256gb at $989! Will upgade once m1 drops. Got a surface book 2 15in so doesn't matter too much rn
That’s why I bough my 16 inch 2019. It’s well worth the money.
Man.. Just bought 2020 13" 2TB with 16GB RAM CTO. Now I'm really nervous that I should bought the 15".
Great video, and totally agree aside from one point.... #ESC key... 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Still, when the arm macs get released, intel Macs are probably gonna get cheaper
Though 15” mbp could be a cheap deal; but there will always be that feeling of keyboard failure and s/w ESC key which has history of freezing intermittently. Buying 2019 model would also mean loosing 1 yr on the keyboard replacement program. This is just a thought, not to undermine the efforts put in for this video or the money spent by people who already own it.
i got a mbp 3 month before the mbp16 released…
7:32 What is that 275 dollar thing?