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We Need To STOP Pretending That KPOP Idols Are Babies!
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2023
- on march 21, twice member chaeyoung was spotted wearing a shirt with a hakenkreuz symbol. k pop fans coddling idols keeps idols from facing the consequences of their actions and prevents them from growing as individuals! stay tuned to hear more about chaeyoung, and subscribe to kookielit for more kpop news.
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It’s ridiculous how the fans keep thinking and treating the Idols as babies but they need to realize the Idols are grown adults who can make decisions for themselves
I feel like the K-pop industry has convince us that idols are meant to be seen as cute or just a doll, this is reason why people get mad once they see someone attack them because they assume it like hurting a child
exactly! there should be no censorship in music! i agree with you anya
But there are many idols who are still minors. But for the ones that are full grown adults, its honestly ridiculous how fans just breeze past it like ita nothing
@@tokoabc6564 when did anya say that k-pop idols are being baby'd blindly?
@@Black_Girl_Central which is hysterical. there are idols, like dreamcatcher, formally known as minx, who went from cute to strong, besides what they assume it to be like.
So Wonyoung eating a strawberry is a crime in the eyes of kpop stans but Chaeyoung a literal adult who's obviously influenced by western culture needs to be "educated" about a world war symbol?
THIS!!! So true like they treat adults like babies but the want to treat minors like they criminals😭
First you need to learn that symbol is stolen by Hitler from Hindu culture
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are you that stupid to compare the two situations? if a westerner pulled their eyes back you would be crying right?
Someone said it
I remember hearing a fan say in an interviene:"They love us unconditionally".
And I was like:"Nope,they don't".
@@blik1737 the shirt she is wearing has Nazi's symbol means supporting Hitler
@@blik1737 It's in poor taste, but it's not a big issue by any stretch of imagination.
@BLIИK in world war 2 the nazis wore this symbol
@BLIИK Nazis killed 6 million Jews and extra other people who weren’t white and those who had autism etc
I’m sure they appreciate favs but at the end of the day they probably don’t give af about random people they don’t know and I’m sure most of us are like that
Kookie said what NEEDED TO BE SAID…… periodt
Big periodttttt
@@nArUpArK19 the biggest periodtttttt
Said what
It is needed to be said that Westerners should be aware of other cultures and history before criticizing others of your own history. If Westerners are ok using the cross symbol even thought it was also used by the KKK to commit despicable acts, then they should be ok when others are using the swastika symbol because just like the cross, the swastika is a symbol divinity and spirituality. This is widely known and the symbol is widely used in many Hindu and Buddhist temples in Asia.
@@NowAndToEternity kpop idols should follow the kkk now??
I’ll take this a step further and say this also applies to the fans referring to their favorite boy group members in infantilizing terms (calling them your “boys” and talking about them like they’re cute little objects and not people). In general, treating these artists as sentient adults should be the norm.
Glad you made this video, honestly. Really happy to see some nuance.
Kpop fan either infantilize these men or hypers3xualise. There's nothing in between
Very well said. Just would like to also add those people use the "omg they give siblings vibe" defense mechanism everytime their oppa is interacting with a female idol it just really shows how obsessed they are on a high level when these grown ass men doesn't even know their existence lmao
this is fr like fans should should saying that artists are their husband or wife💀
@@ee-zi2fe How is saying they give off a brother and sister vibe cringey 💀? just bcos they're idols doesn't mean they can't have that kind of relationship with other idols 🤷,If I said that to a you and a friend of yours you won't have a problem,so... and it's a well known facts that idols don't know about your existence so what's with that,they know they have fans and supporters and that's enough ! Your comment screams CRINGE😬
@@habshi0974 got hit with my comment like a brick? Put an ointment on it. And how is my comment cringe? And when did i said that saying "sibling vibes" is cringey? Did you read a different comment, stupid? Your comment is the one making me cringe you can't even make a proper english (conjunction, comma, & grammar), did you only made your way to reply to me just because you're so mad and triggered that I hurt your feelings? Lmao so funny. I was saying y'all are always pulling that "sibling vibes" as defense mechanism whenever they're interacting with a female idol, like literally every female idol, it's ridiculous how y'all were doing that just to achieve your delusional fantasy that your oppas can't date anyone. I see nothing but borderline obsessive behaviour or just plain delulu. And yes, it's a known fact that your idols don't know your existence, and that 'known fact' has to be emphasized time and time just to slap the sh** out of you for once in a while 🤡
I’m a strong advocate for idols finishing high school before debut. And I don’t mean attending less than 10 days and somehow still graduating. Some times I’m genuinely surprised by the ignorance of some idols then I remember most of them probably focused more on training then getting an actual education. I guess selfie classes are more important 🙄
😂😂😂😂 fr though these homies are dumb cuz they think they could always protect their idols from everything and anything and it's a SHAME to know that even IDOLS are knowing and acting to prove their innocent through their own fandom and their fans 😮💨💔
Worst behaviour idols.....
Pepper education is needed
And make sure that the stylist or the manager should be educated too 🤦🏿♂️😐
Exactly! It’s sad how ignorant some of them can be
Comes to the same conclusion as idols shouldn't be debuting so young.
HS doesn’t teach u shit about the real world 😂
yes i think same, and if you're too tired to do both, then stop training, education is more important. and idols should think, if i stop high school now what am i gonna do if the group i'm in flops or disband, even if i could be mc or act, what if the group is not popular enough and no one knows you or cares about you, what if you're 45 and people doesn't care about you anymore because you look old. what are you gonna do then
of course there’s no need to hate the idols but they should be better educated and know the consequences of their actions. totally agree with this video 👍
If she knew what it meant why the fuck would she wear it? Make it make sense. “Consequences of their actions” if she doesn’t know what it is she doesn’t know there are consequences.
south korea has one of the best education systems..
@@yacobeinauan9533 because she doesn’t gaf?
Idk the Nazis killed millions of people under this symbol. That’s enough to hate tbh. In a world where fascists rise left and right… at least I hope she sees the criticism and openly speaks out, apologizes and takes education *copium*
hate is deserved this time. n@zi’s killed over 6 million innocent people. she deserves it
THIS. This needed to be said! She is a grown woman, not a child. It's funny that fans move on so fast with serious matters like this but hold grudges and send so much hate to other idols who don't deserve it.
Irene is too, Turing 30 the year she had her scandal.
onces never backed up chaeyoung. we just believed that she needs to be educated, NOT hated
@@mbyshasha ive seen MANY defend her, make up shit, say she didnt know about the symbol, and shut up & threatened jews whi were hurt by chaeyoung
@@hyunjinshairband4ever Koreans are very aware about nazism. Too so there is no excuse especially when she probably has been to 100s of countries and cites yearly.
@@hyunjinshairband4everI invite you to investigate the real context of that shirt, you can search for information about the Sex Pistols and the fashion designed for them by Viviane Woods, in short, the use of that symbol in the fashion of the Punk movement of the 70's was to mock and criticize N.zism, accusing her of being an anti-semite or a n.zi could be considered as defamation. I hoped this helped to get a bigger picture, have a nice day.
I literally had someone tell me how Chaeyong is not a role model because she is not an influencer.... I lost braincells.
I guess it's not just idols who need to get educated but their fans as well...
Kpop fans : " Bully Idols and through them hate over the smallest things (such as eating a strawberry with 2hands)"
Also Kpop Fans: Defended there Favs when they do something that's actually wrong
💯💯 agree
Many kpop fans are two faced, no different from the agencies they always blame
So Chae getting threats aren't enough for you ? U all actually believe that only Wonyoung suffers from hate
The fact that I don't even see a single hate comment for her in Twitter unlike other idols .
@@devraajmoran5969 After reading your comment I feel you want Wonyoung to get hate on twitter also
There is no excuse for idols being uninformed about anything. They have the internet like everyone else.
For Irene case, we didn't know what happened that cause Irene to behave in such a way. I remember that another idol mentioned that it's not uncommon that idols get into arguments with their stylist because sometimes the stylist made mistake (like forgot to bring the safety shorts for idols, chosing wrong sizes, etc) and usually the idols would be the one who get scolded by the production company because of the stylist mistake (like if they were late as the stylist arrived late or if the stylist need to go somewhere to buy stuff they forgot to bring and therefore causing idols to be late). So it is unfair to blame Irene without knowing what happened. Maybe the stylist kept on making mistake and Irene had enough of her
Edit: here is the link of the video of another idol (Way of Crayon Pop) explanation on what might happened ruclips.net/video/5DxowRxU3gY/видео.html
Agree...glad to see mature people like u...
But it is okay to blame the stylist all the time, making things up just to defend the idols
if you dont know what happened then stop speculating to defend ur fave and let it be
@@jisooinyourarea6751 she is not my fave but her case is different from idols who wore inappropriate things. I wonder whether you would still say this if it was Jisoo, not Irene
@Minni I never said that what she did was right. While the other idols shows clearly that they were wrong by wearing something offensive, Irene was arguing with someone. Her case was more similar to bullying accusation. Do you just blindly believe about an idol bullying someone like when Jimin was accused of Bullying Mina? Well maybe you did
My take on this whole Chaeyoung debacle is that, she wanted to be cool and edgy but turns out she’s just ignorant. To top it off, she’s a repeat offender. Like, how many times are u going to apologize girl?
What else has she done?
@@Mbloom1 She wore a Qanon shirt which represents the far right extremist
You can’t expect her to know what Qanon is when so many people in America don’t know.
@@aminioss Right. I have never heard of it until her situation
@@aminioss Agreed
I agree with this video 100%. I also think some fans tend to forget that:
1. Some of the idols you are defending are fluent in English so know what they say before they even say it.
2. South Korea is a DEVELOPED, ADVANCED COUNTRY with LOTS of access to loads of websites.
3. Most countries tend to learn about American history even if it's to a small amount due to the USA being involved in loads of things.
4. WW2 is a widely known topic as not only America was affected by it. Practically the whole world so yes most schools will have lessons on it.
5. THEY ARE OVER THE AGE OF 18. WW2 is common knowledge/should be common knowledge for those over the age of 18.
It's absolutely disgusting seeing fans make up loads of excuse for their favs. I'm in my mid-teens and I'm not American and even I know about WW2.
I'll give you a counter reply.
1. Idols are mostly caged and secluded from reality just to be training to become proffit for their hosting companies. Even their phones are supervised. They don't even go to a normal school to finish their studies like any other normal kid.
2. South korea Developed in LESS THAT 30 YEARS, so back down. In many common knowledge they are quite closed to reality (I have friends there)
3. Yeah MOST COUNTRIES, and in most countries we don't even give attention to that. It's just 1 or 2 history classes, that do not even come in an exam.
4. America is not the center of the world even if they want to believe that.
5. Even if they are over the age of 18, WW2 was more than 70 years ago, and believe me, most of young people below 30, doesn't even care.
I'm from Argentina and way past 30. I don't even remember anything from WW2 that I was thought at school all those years ago.
You forgot one tiny little detail that the fact is swastika is not a hate symbol at all. It has been used by Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism for thousand of years and it is a symbol divinity and spirituality. This is widely known and the symbol is widely used in many Hindu and Buddhist temples in Asia. And dont tell me the Nazi has ruined it because the KKK used the cross symbol of Christianity to commit despicable acts as well, why didnt people associate the cross symbol or criticized people for using it as negatively as the swastika symbol? Is it just because that Westerners dont even bother to learn or care about other cultures but their own?
@@NowAndToEternity u keep commenting on this everywhere..Yes swastika is spititual word in sanskrit meaning peace..and "mostly" indians use this symbol every time..in our home,temple etc.. And Years ago, the n@zi leader stollen the symbol and used as their own.. yess... BUT, they didn't used the exact one, n@zi symbol is Tilted..with no dots inside.. thats y people regonize it as n@zi symbol.. while, the symbol represent religions are NOT tilted..and there r 4 dots inside..Am an indian, we all hv that symbol in our home pooja room.. And thats y, for this specific n@zi symbol,people critisized her.. pls understand these two symbols seems identical in some way, bt they both r different..
@@devikakrishna7372 if you are Indian then you should know that there are many variants of the symbol. There is a right face one and also a left facing one with and without the dots. There is a variant that look exactly like the swastika the Nazi used. If you want to get specific, my point is Westerners should learn about other culture before judging others. If someone use the swastika on a white circle with a red background then yes I agree that is 100% the Nazi's symbol but the swastika alone is not and people should not be criticizing for using it just like the cross symbol.
@@NowAndToEternity . ww2 is global but swatika is only limited to indian and south east asia . y'all just be saying anything to protect chae nazi
I completely agree that she should be held accountable. But totally do not agree with the level of hate people we’re giving. And I truly believe a lot of idols are so sheltered and ignorant it’s sad. That should change and be corrected. But hold her accountable, do not give her death threats and wish that her whole life is ruined. Even if it was ignorance it’s still disappointing. But some of my friends (US citizens mind you) didn’t really understand the meaning of the symbol. No saying it’s right but the fact that it was an accident isn’t imposible. I think what’s best as a result is company’s and idols insuring that they become well rounded human beings not just aesthetic and good at dancing.
So what would accountability entail? A longer written apology? A video apology?
@@williamcolgin1987 Not a two sentence apology... She could donate some money, for example to the child survivor fund and actually take the time to fully acknowledge why what she did was bad. Or just leave f the public eye for a bit to fully reflect on her actions and educate herself so this doesn't happen again.
As an American, it doesn't surprise me that some Americans don't know understand the meaning of that symbol. The education system here is bad. That said most people here know it's bad even if they don't really understand why. It's not just taught in schools it's in movies and TV.
@@williamcolgin1987 it’s up to her to reflect , I’m not asking for a longer apology to “please” me. Her fans already told her it’s wrong let’s just hope she understands.
An eloquent & accurate assessment of the K-pop industry, well done.
Don't make me laugh please 😂, Eloquent? Accurate? ... Lol
@@habshi0974 is it not accurate or..
Regardless of whether idols "know better" or not, the intent doesn't change the impact of something.
While I agree with what was said, I will say that most young people don't know who Sid Vicious is and while he was a punk rocker who did things for shock value, he was normalized in the 1980's as a counter culture figure and tons of people wore his merch (sans swastika) everywhere, especially his Sex Pistols stuff (i grew up in the 1980's and had a God save the Queen shirt).
If you think kids know sid vicious, a few years ago, a magazine asked kids 15-24 if they heard of the Beatles in the United States. Twenty percent have never heard of them and more than double could not name a band member, so not knowing a punk rocker isn't out of the ordinary.
I think the fact that Sid vicious is still a romanticized figure is wiiiiiild. I’d argue that, in the US, sid viscous is much more well known due to the popularization of industrial/punk/alternative fashion. I’ve noticed a lot of Gen Z kids popping up in my local scene as well.
But, other that that specific situation, your right. I doubt people outside of the US would know much about a punk rocker from the 80s
@@NixieEppler He became a popular figure of rebellion by many teens in the 1980's, especially in Canada (where I was raised).
well ppl weren't grossed out by sid, ppl were grossed out by the fucking swastika, i could get that she doesn't know sex pistols and sid's story cause it is kind of niche, but everyone knows about the fucking nazis, even if you were sheltered your whole life you would have watch or seen some news article or a youtube video of what nazis did, even more if your korean and were colonized by japan that were nazis right hand.
I don't expect anyone to be perfect. I am not perfect. I expect everyone to learn, especially from their and others mistakes. That's called progress and I'm all up for someone who makes a mistake and then learns from it and changes their behaviour..
We should understand that our idols are humans, and they should learn about what is sensitive to others and what is not. I don't hate Chaeyeong but she should learn from this so she won't repeat it again.
The majority of folks triggered are Americans fixated on race/politics more so than any other nations in the world
our idols? are they dolls?
@@lulu_Lm what? They are called idols for a reason. It's for people like us to idolize. That's the whole meaning of the word. lol. So yes, it is "our" idols because that what we made them as.
i told my friends that i hope chaeyoung is on hiatus long enough so i don’t have to see her on tour due to the anger and how offended i was. while i have lightened up, i still don’t think i will ever feel too much pity for her. the point made that “idols need to do their re search” it true. and i do hope she goes on tour to ensure fans, the rest of twice, and myself a better experience. chaeyoung is very talented and i hope that she learned her lesson 💗
Unfortunately, when you don't know something is problematic, you also don't know to research it. While I personally know quite a bit about WW2 history, up until a few years ago I had no idea that the Japanese Rising Sun flag was considered a symbol of hate for most Asians. I might have even had it as a T-shirt since I remember thinking the design was pretty cool. Did you know Italy was one of the 3 axis enemies during WW2 and also committed horrific war crimes. Would you recognize a shirt with their WW2 era flag on it?
Fact is: Chaeyoung should be definetly critisized. But hate isnt necessary.
Its so crazy how fans move on from serious/sensitive situations quickly tbh.
Wendy and Taeyeon to this day have not apologized for their past remarks.
@nepo Yunjin that doesn’t excuse anything tho? Not blaming you or anything, speaking generally
Yeah but they always dig deep the most useless things
@@BTSISMYHAPPYPLACE4VER a 3 sentence long pr apology does nothing girl lmfao
It's normal in this world where curse/swear words are so normalized !!!
Unfortunately their were people online throwing racist insults at chaeyoung and the other twice members as well. And some even went as far to talking crap about asians in general.
@Buddha’s Advocate she could've not seen that?? i hadn't even seen it before this comment
@buddhasadvocate7238 "wowz" go learn your time tables baby
and that's not cool. nobody of sound mind thinks that. your point being? lmfao that doesn't absolve her of wearing not one but TWO harmful images within days of each other.
That's not the point of the video tho? Like yes people go too far and use the situation as an opportunitu to spread hate, but that does not make her actions right or diminish its impact? And going too far is pretty much on brand for kpop stans anyway. Have you seen how many defenders trash talk actual Jews who expressed offense?
You saw that mainly from the political left in America
They do this a lot actually. The way they talk about Hispanics every election is gross
Dude I'm not a fan of twice but there is a video about this symbol. They're asking people in Japan what is this symbol and they saying it's good luck or something like that I'm not gonna lie the only thing i remember is this symbol has a good meaning. Cause Germany and Japan was an ally and h1tler's purposes making a 'aryan race' and emphasis the this is all because of our own sake and also they're ally with japan he chose this symbol for represent this mindset. It was used before h1tler and he take it. He was really smart guy and he always propaganda that all the things that his doing is for the people. And then he started to use it cause it's already has a good meaning. So when you are talking the other's history and culture you don't even know Japan's culture. And twice so popular in Japan and they're going very often so she can see this kind of symbol and then when she saw it she didn't realize that it's not the actual symbol. h1tler change it little bit the symbol but even though people in Japan saying the meaning in their culture. It was the Asianboss's video if i remember correctly. You can check it yourself.
knowing that the K-pop industry is becoming more and more famous and more and more popular in the west, idols and their companies need to be twice as careful when it comes to topics of any sort being sensitive or unacceptable in the west. "IF" idols weren't taught at first then they should DEFFINATELY" be taught and educated now.
Good video, but I would have to ask what should accountability entail? Apart from an acknowledgment of a mistake and an apology how should they be held accountable?
First time i have ever agreed with every single word said in a youtube video
I found it wild, that onces are defending her so much. She search for the shirt and brought it.
How do you know if she searched for the shirt? Source?
@@Chrysler-sy1by It all over social media, it been proven that it can’t be found anywhere and it rare
@@Chrysler-sy1by Obviously there’s no proof of how she obtained the shirt BUT it’s a rare shirt that is hard to find. Some found the shirt being auctioned online for a lot of money. It’s unlikely she just came across the shirt in any old store.
@pruitv3 It crazy how fans are defending them and not holding them accountable for their wrongdoing, they must be a Nazi stan, if you support her :)
Some of these idol clips r so random i was like “what did soobin do??😭😭” when the clip of crying soobin showed up💀
I'm not defending cheayoung actions, But defending Chaeyoung from what she is receiving since there are people who are sending her death threats. Again I'm not defending her actions. I Know shes mature and old enough to realize what she is wearing and what it means
bro, some people have nuance and realize that not everyone is educated the same way. westerners and asian people lived through the same war with different impact. stop saying that chaeyoung should know about the n4zi symbol when none of yall know about the imperialist japanese flag and its meaning. see? yall are just as ignorant, educate yourselves
No one is saying everyone is eductaed the same way but WW2 and the nazi symbol is widely known and even if she truly didn't know she still has to be taken accountable. And I'm not sure about other countries but in mine most know the rising sun symbol even without being an asian country or even remotely near.
Yes that is true, but if a foreign artist walked around Korea with a japanese imperial flag on their shirt, they will be cancelled by koreans and kpop stans straight away. Nobody will accept the "I wasn't aware" excuse if it were the other way around.
Who said so u saying that is pretty ignorant when plenty of us do history classes and ps i am from Jamaica. Literally an island in the Caribbean.
It is taught in SK tho so there goes your narrative
But I’ve seen Koreans compare the nazi symbols to the rising sun symbol so…try again
Y’all really need to stop using my girl chayoung just for views
Even I know South Korea is not shut out from the world when they are all over the internet for many things like Esports, Kpop, Kdrama and more. I get that companies grab idols when they are young to easily influence them but run the risk of damaging them as adults when they do a big mistake. We should hold them accountable but also that humans make mistakes. Lets hold the agencies responsible for them not educating them on certain topics
Great video! Important to point out that double standards apply too, some idols get the babying treatment while others take on the heat, sometimes to a level that is overboard. I dont mind how any fans choose to react to such scandals as its a subjective choice of their own, but its important to not be a hypocrite and partial only to your stanned idols. Either have standards, or have no standards at all when it comes calling idols out for mistakes they made.
The Chaeyoung shirt deal is..something, why are people blaming the stylists..you know good and well her style is like that. It’s definitely her closet. Not stylists.
Exactly, it was proven many times that it was difficult to found that shirt and even stylists who are into fashion and culture know that specific shirt is extremely problematic
@@Black_Girl_Central Fr, the stylists would know not to show that stuff in public/on shows because they would probably get fired or backlash..
Maybe if she didn’t attend 3-5 days TOTAL in high school she wouldn’t be so uneducated. As a twice fan I’m so disappointed. I just wish idols would get a proper education and debut as adults later. I hope the industry changes
Bro this is so old drama why do u wanna bring it back?
If people expect her to educate herself about the swastika symbol, then would it be fair if they also educate themselves about the swastika symbol? The swastika symbol did not originated from the Nazi. It has been used by Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism for thousand of years and it is a symbol divinity and spirituality. And this fact is widely known and the symbol is widely used in many Hindu and Buddhist temples in Asia. Furthermore, if anyone say that the Nazi ruined the swastika symbol, then explain to me when the KKK used the cross symbol of Christianity to commit despicable acts, why didnt people associate the cross symbol or criticized people for using it as negatively as the swastika symbol? Is it just because that Westerners dont even bother to learn or care about other cultures but their own?
1.The cross isn't associated with the kkk because when referring to then the cross is on fire they are not know for the cross but burning crosses
2.we know the different swastikas and can tell which is which the one on her shirt it tilted that's how you can tell the Nazi one is the tilted one like on her shirt
Nice try...next.
Thank u for pulling out all that sh*t from ur ass.
The thing is people know this already so what what's your point?
@@dfernandez3482 Witty...
KOOKIELIT IN 2023: "Nobody is claiming that Irene is a Monster."
IRENE IN 2020: "I'm a little monster!"
My question is why would Chaeyoung if she knew what the shirt meant and how offensive it is and how wrong it is and how damaging it could be for her Idol career still wear it just for shits and giggles ?? Its because she truly wasn’t aware I believe.
@@MattOnce im sorry but if she didnt know, shes just an idiot. she has access to the internet and is a grown woman. MIND you the guy on her shirt is also a known murderer AND she wore the shirt to a jewish restaurant. she also wore this after the qanon drama so instead of being careful she went and did this dumb shit. STOP BABYING GROWN IDOLS
@@MattOnce this isnt just "hating" on an idol, its not a stupid dating rumor she COMMITTED a HATE CRIME. chaeyoung is not your friend and you dont know her so stop acting like shes getting attack for no reason and that people should forgive her just bc she "didnt know"
and for the op just bc she didnt do it for shits and giggles doesnt mean she couldnt of ignored what it meant simply bc she liked the shirt. chae has always been into grunge type clothing like this. same way lisa wore box braids for her solo bc she saw it as a "cool style" even tho she was already being told it wasnt right during the kill this love era
@@cinehargroves9917 That's NOT a hate crime, because the shirt is not even n.zi propaganda, on the contrary, it was used in the punk movement of the 70s as a mockery, criticism and protest against n.azism, and not she's not my friend either but accusing someone falsely is very malicious.
@@fanycuevas1638 it was NOT a movement from the 70s the specific shirt she was wearing was made by sid vicious who created it for negative attention. no one is falsely accusing. for the love of God pick up a book or simply use google bc you obviously dont know what this situation is about and what chae truly did. stop defending someone that is obviously in the wrong. like it's literally sid vicious if you know about him you know he wore it to make people mad not for peace, i mean cmon he literally murdered his gf then his band made shirts mocking her
She took it down almost immediately and apologized right away so get over it and move on
Heavy on that caption.
Okay, I thought we already moved on from this issue. I'm gonna keep it a buck as a Jewish K-pop fan. Occam's Razor is the idea that often the simplest solution is the correct one. Sometimes ignorance IS the legitimate reason for something dumb an idol does.
While Japan was allied with Nazi Germany during WWII, Nazis didn't exactly flood the streets of Korea. I asked some Korean friends about their WWII knowledge when the Sowon issue happened (on my Birthday of all days) and all they learned about the western side of it was the attack on Pearl Harbor and the Nuclear bombs leading to Japan's surrender, and they were only briefly touched upon BECAUSE Japan was involved. Anything else they learned about the war was when they were older from watching movies and reading books. So it isn't taught there like so many of you think just like us Americans didn't learn about Korea's suffering in school either. They literally had to go out of their way to learn about that massive part of the war.
As for the Hakenkreuz, it literally means nothing to Koreans because the Swastika is all over the place on temples and other older buildings. It IS just a Buddhist symbol of peace and all that in Korea and again, they don't learn about Nazis so they don't learn the difference between a Swastika and a Hakenkreuz. I doubt a lot of you even knew what a real swastika looked like. Hell, I've only ever heard people use the correct term since this issue blew up yet you all act like you've known it all along. As for the shirt itself, old tour tees are in fashion right now and she probably just wanted a rare tee, as it's kind of pricey on eBay.
Did Chaeyoung fuck up? Yeah, she absolutely did. But JYP was informed and when she learned about her mistake she apologized. She learned why it's wrong and can grow from this experience. That's literally how holding somebody accountable works. So now this is the part where I have to remind some of you that if you aren't Jewish then you don't need to protect us from big bad Chae nor is it your place to accept or reject her apology. I personally do but that's just me.
@@tokoabc6564 You're probably not wrong.
@@tokoabc6564not to speak on this specific situation, but this channel just screams toxicity. She always gives one side of a story usually to get views and get people worked up.
Yeah, this is along what I've been thinking as well in terms of historical aproximity. And I'm not a Once nor know much about Chaeyoung, but the only other benefit of the doubt I could give is that I can't fathom how someone would purposely rile up the minefield known as the kpop fandom if she perfectly knew the gravity of what she was wearing. But yeah, whether she was aware or not, people did try to make her accountable to which she did try to communicate an apology to make right (and people can choose to accept it or not from there). And thank you so much for your perspective
Just because someone apologized doesn't mean they learned anything. 😂 I mean, I guess she learned not to post herself wearing the shirt again, so maybe she did. But the reasoning behind it? That's a stretch.
@@codetsfacts2808 Yep, using logic in a delicate situation is a stretch and giving her the benefit of the doubt is a no no, but people on Twitter calling her "Little Miss Nazi" as if what she did even remotely compares to anything the actual Nazis did is a-ok.
Here's the reason why I am defending Chaeyeong. The first shirt that is in question is the Qanon shirt. I live in the states, and I haven't even heard about that conspiracy till this issue popped up on top of that, that shirt was the shirt she wore FOR THE PROFORMANCE so that one I 100% blame the stylist. Second the more problematic shirt Chaeyeong wore the symbol might've just been overlooked because I won't lie, I know I didn't see it, the first thing that caught my eyes was the fact it was a Sid Vicious shirt/brand. It wasn't until I actually saw a photo with the symbol circled in red that I saw it.
Most Westerners make the same mistake but with a Rising Sun Flag which is still easily obtainable on shirts even though its just as offensive to Asians as the Hakenkreuz is to Europeans.
@William Colgin ohhhh, and in that light, the rising sun is praised. It's on everything and everywhere.
Exactly and the real context of the use of this symbol in that shirt of the Sex Pistols was to mock, criticize and protest against n.azism.
Here’s the thing, Germany was allied with Imperial Japan but had no major presence in the Pacific Theater. Japan was the major threat in that region, and to Koreans “as well as many other Asian nations” the imperial rising sun is the offensive symbol. A symbol, that many westerners have used in the past, unaware of its meaning.
Nikki Sixx of Motley Crue used it on one of his signature bass guitars, Matt from Trivium used it on one of his signature Dean guitars. Then of course there are countless pop stars who have used it when touring Japan. All unaware of its meaning.
Last example is Tiffany of Girls Generation. She got in a lot of trouble for using that symbol in a Snapchat post. She said she didn’t know and most people in the west seem to believe her.
So why were we willing to give the benefit of the doubt to westerners using the rising sun but not to Chaeyoung when it comes to our offensive symbol?
You can educate without ridicule and hate and what Chaeyoung is getting.
So truee
No matter what the reason, sometimes, some things are simply not good enough.
Apology is easy. Many have done it. REAL CHANGE is the only thing that matters. Only a few have done so.
i think idols being “babied” also has to do with the fact that asians are often fetishized/infantilized
oof good point
@@tokoabc6564 you realize “often” doesn’t mean always
@@nnnn-sc2imit's more the fact that asians as a generalization is way too broad. When people say asians they 99% of the time mean east asians (China, Japan, Korea, etc.) But technically Asia is the largest continent in earth. Arabs are also asians so are Indians and Turks. Because of their phenotype and features however it's only really the east Asians that experienced this treatment.
I know its a bit of a culture shock, it deff was for me when I went to visit Korea in my teens. Whenever I go visit Korea, you see that sign in a lot of places. I remember asking my aunt while we passed by and she didnt know why I was pointing at that sign in shock. She just asked me, why? Ur interested in seeing a fortune teller? Thats when my mom had to step in and said in Korea that sign means
psychic/fortune teller/spiritual service. I know its odd, that it seems like Koreans dont know about the sign much other than seeing it as a sign for psychics but as a Korean American I knew nothing about Koreas history, only that Japan took over Korea for a bit. People learn what the school system teaches you
That’s SWASTIKA. Thousands of years old and sacred to Hinduism and Buddhism.
Im not trying to blame people or koreans or any nationality. Im just saying its the education system that needs to be changed. AND THAT SHOULD BE A IMPORTANT FACTOR. Instead of bashing and canceling kpop idols who didnt know
Okay. I want to start off by saying I agree with practically everything Kookie is saying here. I'd wager to say she's got it spot on, even about Chaeyoung. That said, there is something that bothers me...
Here's what I want to know: Chaeyoung was running around in that shirt for at least four appearances, right? How come no one went up to her and told her "That's not cool" ? How come it took Twitter in order for someone to spot that and go "wtf?" Keep in mind, Chaeyoung was meeting with multiple Americans, some of which were music artists themselves who know a thing or two about the American public, and not ONE of them said "Heads up, that shirt is problematic."
So it's either no one around her cared about the shirt, OR they did speak up and Chaeyoung just continued to wear it until the internet got upset. Do you think Chaeyoung hates her career that much that she'd ignore warnings, or perhaps it was an honest mistake and she didn't mean to insult anyone. She thought she was wearing a Sex Pistols t-shirt.
Look, I agree that if K-pop wants to go international, they can't snatch these middle schoolers, shove them in an art school, and think that will prepare them for the world. Never mind cultural studies and history, but life in general. Say they don't make it as an idol, then what skills do they have? So yeah, education should be priority, but I don't think a mob on the internet is a proper teacher. All the idol sees is them getting push back. They might even view it as hate as their fans defend them. So it shouldn't be on US to educate them. Also, I think WE need to be more understanding that while these are adults, they are treated like children by their companies and fans... so they act like it.
On the Chaeyoung matter itself, I'd be screaming to the moon if she was actually endorsing hate speech and had a history of problematic behavior, but she doesn't. But people are acting like yelling at her is teaching her when it doesn't. All she knows it that people are being mean to her. That's what kills me. What she knows or doesn't know about WWII is debatable, but all I'm saying is that she apologized and has never acted like a bigot before sooooooo shouldn't we give her the benefit of the doubt? Yes, she needs to learn about what's she did wrong, but we aren't the ones who can do it. Just like how we view idols in a certain light, idols view the public and their fans in another light. We are in no play to education them seriously. It should be on the company and the schools they attend. And in Chaeyoungs case, how come no one in her company even thought about educating her?
There, I said my piece.
you typed so much yet said nothing of substance lmao
you described my exact feeling about this, thank you for saying something sensible without yelling
@@hamilcross “nothing of substance”…then what exactly is substantial according to you? They’re clearly holding Chaeyoung accountable and made valid points about how no one was able to make her aware of what she was wearing
Actually well said…
For me, it’s not about whether she knew the symbol, but whether she knew the shirt. If she bought it for Sid Vicious, that changes a lot for me. Was it a badly-done statement or was did she just think it was a cool shirt?
Currently there is a trend in fashion to wear vintage t-shirts from old bands, personally i think she used it because it is a cool design, so her only crime was being too naive and following a foolish trend, by the way the actual context of the use of that symbol on that band's shirt was to mock and criticize the n.azims, but thats only my opinion, have a nice day.
I really saw ver few comments babying Chae...Mostly hate comments,some even called her terrorist but yes she apologised & I will forgive her until she do that again cause I know mistakes can be done in youth & if its not forgiven then it really can hamper life.I hope she take the lesson & go on with life
Yes y'all do. And for those who misunderstand babying, first learn the difference between babying and understanding. Everyone not angry and out for blood and some people understand that mistakes happen. EVERY SINGLE HUMAN has and/will make them. That's life and it's part of a learning experience. Plus, being "woke" isn't doing the job y'all think it's doing. You're all actually worse than the people y'all hate on or try cancel.
And Western ideology isn't applied around the whole world. Other countries have their own beliefs and ways of doing things. So just because you're hurt and others understand the cultural difference, doesn't mean they're babying
If you cancel a sid vicious shirt, you should also cancel the entire punk movement, that includes dozens of records, fashion creators like Vivienne Westwood...this is ridiculous af.
Thank you for this! I been said this and I get snapped at. And I'm like, these idols are GROWN. They know what they are doing especially the ones that are repeat offenders. Fans easily slam western artists but as soon as their favs do something offensive, its "y'all are overreacting". No, your grown adult idol knows what they are doing. A lot of the fans are so delulu and want to "protect" their idol and its gotta stop. They know better. Some of them just legit don't care and they don't worry about backlash because they know they will be covered by overly dedicated fans. Thank you for this video. It needed to be said.
I feel like at this point these idols but most especially their companies, do these for publicity because while it is disgusting bad publicity is also publicity too 🤷
They only ignore it if it's their faves 💀
I don't understand how it's possible that Korea doesn't know about the holocaust.
As artists traveling the world, they need to do research of where they are going, what is good and bad there. It gets tiring to keep seeing them make such avoidable mistakes and expect to be forgiven over and over and over.
You have educational resources in the palm of your hand, basically 24/7, use it!
plus many knetizens said they do learn about it in school during Sowon's controversy
Currently there is a trend in fashion to wear vintage shirts with images of bands, she used one of the Sex Pistols, in which the symbol appears, this gives a completely different context of what she is accused of, the real meaning of using that symbol in the fashion of the PUNK movement of the 70s was mocking and criticizing N.azism, so anyone who is judging her as a N.azi can easily be sued for defamation. Her real mistake was being too naive and following a foolish trend.
tbh I didn't know what that sign meant I always thought it was demonic I only knew the meaning when yall said it and I don't blame the first girl she didn't know
Literally!!!!! The amount of people I have seen baby K-pop idols (specifically bts) is tremendous!!! Jimin is 27, not chimmy chim chim baby boy, Prathiksha.
This comment 👏
What did Prathiksha do to you😭🤣🤣🤣
@@blahblahblah2469 lmfaooo
i got the opportunity to attend online fanmeetings and fansigns and talk to idols one on one and while that’s nice and all it didn’t hold mr back from holding my faves accountable or give me the false sense of knowing these idols on a personal level, it is what it is, a fan and idol/artist relationship should be nothing more than being a fan of them as artists and admiring their work and cheering for them, of course you’d want your idols to be good people just like any other person you interact with whether on a personal level or not, the same way i would rather deal with a nice salesperson or attend the classes of a morally just professor at school/college… we want good people in our lives, but when those people make mistakes they should be held responsible for their actions
Uh, I don't also know the meaning of that, and probably had done something inappropriate but the only difference is am not popular. Heck, I was not even that aware of how the Spanish colonized the Philippines because the lessons discussed in schools are shallow. But I hope she learned from that as I also learned that there are no excused for being inappropriate, its a chance of learning.
here we go again
Number one pet peeve is fans who infantilize the idols especially the BTS members and what's worse it's always by fans who are younger than them. The guys have grown and matured, it's about time the fanbase does aswell. They independent adults in control of their own lives and they are human before they are famous Artists and they want to be treated as such. Fans especially those who are younger. need to understand that because it makes them feel uncomfortable and pressured, they do everything to please their fans but fans should also not follow their idols blindly, they will mess up and make mistakes because they are normal beings, they will learn and grow
I feel like the K-pop industry has convince us that idols are meant to be seen as cute or just a doll, this is reason why people get mad once they see someone attack them because they assume it like hurting a child
Look who's talking 🤡
I agree we need to stop babying idols, this isn’t about babying however it’s simply not overreacting on what was a clear mistake
It happened, it’s over, move on. I fail to see how anything productive can result from continuing witch hunts
Kpop Idols are not as innocent as fans see them. They are fully grown adults (most of them are older than you) yet u think they don't know exactly what they are doing?
Just stop the nonsensical covering up of their mistakes and accept their wrongs. Truth hurts but has to be said, doesn't it?
German-American here. I’m aware the symbol is banned in most western countries. I specifically point out western countries as those are the only countries that view the swastika as a bad symbol and associate it with WWII. In Asia where Buddhism is more common, including the symbol still being used in said religion she probably didn’t think anything of it. What she is in fact guilty of is that she didn’t pay attention enough to where she was when she decided to wear a shirt with the symbol.
The symbol was taken from Buddhism by the Nazis. That’s where they “got it from”
U not a German because u don’t even know the real name of the symbol 😂😂
@@archiitsrivastava5600 Ed ist mir bewusst dass man in Deutschland das Symbol Harken-kreuz nennt. In Englisch nennt mans aber anders 🤷♀️
Thanks for saying this. This childish acts was really on my nerve.
Some of kpop behaviour's really make me think that education in Korea is awful but I'm sure that this is not true . Many peaple haven't noticed or I haven't heard from them but I have seen how persian and Indian style of architecture are being used in concepts together as one but these two beautiful architecture actually have alot of difference and I don't really like them being so reckless about other's culture (I'm Iranian so that matters to me) and that MV of NCT which they used Muslims symbols in all wrong ways....and as I remember we didn't get any apologies ( I hope it was nct and I didn't make mistake but if I'm wrong, correct me please because I might make mistake after long time of going back to that topic.)
Who are you trying to convince the international fans or the crazy ass netizen fans??...asking for a friend here..
As an Indian I would like to say this: aespa's Giselle has mocked desi culture many many times and people try to cover up her actions but it seems kinda offensive when someone mocks my culture. Fans need to understand that their idols can be wrong toom
Too*
I don't know what does that symbol means and the same thing with Lisa's hair style (i saw many persons putting them and no one commented on them) Am serious!
I hate kookielit for the reason that whenever it comes to bad things (what she speaks), she'd always use clips of blackpink... Like stop! You're the most problematic one!
I agree there are something they need to be held accountable for, but there are something’s the are just completely ridiculous that they get hate for.
If you don't know what something means. You shouldn't wear it!!! Prince Harry 🤴 knew what the symbol meant. His brother talked him into wearing it and received extreme hate!!!!
This is true even in American music. Nobody wants to think that bad about certain celebrities. Take a look at Nick carter. I got attacked when I asked why is it only him.
It’s about time someone said something about this because am sick and tired of seeing fans babying these idols
Kpop stans need to understand that most idols fall somewhere in the middle of extremes, just like regular people . On one extreme , a saint and a monster on the other extreme. They can and will be varying degrees of bad people. I once saw a livestream of a kpop idol that replied to someone 's comment by saying "Because you're a good person, you think I"m a good person, too." The way he said it made it sound like he was serious about it, not just admitting to having normal human flaws. I think most people in that situation would say " I try to be a good person, or think I'm a good person, but I'm not perfect." But noooo....he left a weird and creepy cliffhanger after he said that. He literally said his fans were seeing their goodness mirrored in him. Over the years, when I've seen his interviews and livestreams, I remember this. An international fan who is my friend thought she could hook up with him because his close friend (not in the industry) was consistently answering her direct messages back and forth, I told her not to do it. I told her I didn't think he's a good person, maybe not a monster, but he certainly has a red flag for me. She went anyways and short story, he didn't show up. She was broken hearted but at least it wasn't a horror case.
That’s quite a history
@@mell_mendes yeah , many times things don't go the way we want. We let parasocial relationships take a life of their own, or in rare cases like my friend, it crossed the delicate boundary into real life. I'm just glad it was a bad no show "date". The way I see it, the whole thing cost her a bit of money to travel there, but no other loss was had.
they are people.. do you even understand how much hate they are getting? you really could kill them
what else chaeyoung should do to please you? yall just enjoy hating on people with this canceling culture..
i live in Europe and i literally DID NOT CARE
she didn't do anything nazistic, she didn't say anything nazistic, she just wore a shirt, yall need to chill...
Some international fans don't care they stay dragged idols until they go into depression I am pretty sure Giselle is going through depression after all the hate they gave towards her
This kind of controversy just makes kpop idol much harder to take seriously,and it make them look uneducated, ignorant and not be seen as human that needs to be treated with basic respect
*y'all need to stop supporting underage idols.. don't support idols who are supposedly still schooling because this is the consequences, and it will keep happening over and over again*
btw fans also need to set boundaries to themselves.. fans should know at what level they should stop in term of "holding idols accountable".. harassing idols, giving them death threats and cancel them and pushing to the point of suicide and depression do not do any good too
I hate that idols don’t get to date bc it’s their personal life, the fans are so delusional,and not everyone is perfect so 🤫 about them being perfect
i agree with this so much kpop idols have to think before doing cause it if goes to the public it's gonna be hard to get acceptance back and it will forever be with you the mistake you have done ....
The Chaeyon one really makes me so so angry, mostly due to the people trying to defend her actions. No way in hell I’m believing that she does not know the meaning, no way!! Let’s be real, her like many idols are in a very privileged position to have access to education and other resources (of course here we exclude the training and how tough it is, overall, the point is that she is privileged where she is at) you mean to tell me a person from a top country in eduction, does not know one of the most controversial signs in history ? A HISTORY THEIR COUNTRY ALSO TOOK PART IN ???? No offense but literally how ignorant does she have to be. It’s not even information that only a genius would know, it’s literally general knowledge. I’m sorry but it was really distasteful for her to do that, I’m sure that people around her must have noticed but no one bothered to let her know.
What chaeyoung did was wrong and so many idols have done what she did not even having to bring in names. What annoys me about the kpop community is that you like to turn a blind eye to when your faves are being racist, mysoginistic, stereotypical, fatshaming etc and when we do call out your faves it's now us hating on their sucess. It's not only this but performance wise and vocally I'm sick and tired of the community defending idols who give terrible performances and make excuses for them. It's ridiculous but y'all will be quick to drag certain idols to filth but will defend some others.
I'm not defending chae but i didn't even notice the symbol till ppl started pointing it out
before you even go to a country research should always be done to not offend anyone in that country. this is something that should always be done in the business world especially since they go to the US for business matters. it’s honestly not that difficult to do simple research, i agree with always holding someone accountable for their actions and that they should be more aware that they don’t have a excuse in the western world.
About Lisa’s case, sorry but in my opinion (you can hate me or not) a hairstyle is nothing more than a simple hairstyle, like? There are many times that the only one attacking Idols about cultural appropriation are from United States, Light Skin or they have nothing to do with the Cultures related about. I’m not saying this as a racist statement but is ridiculous how many times the only ones attacking are people that aren’t even of the group that really need to say if they are agree or no, like, what the hell do you care of that topic if even the “affected” people haven’t made a big problem for that? Now with the first idea I say, obviously I know that many hairstyles have a history to show about, but, if I like it (IN MY OPINION AGAIN) I will use it, I don’t care if people are affected or doesn’t like the idea of me wearing the hairstyle they made, I will use it because is my hair and not the one from them, and if I was the one hated about from that, obviously I will apologize but also tell this, everyone has an opinion about everything and so sorry but this is mine.
For chaeyoung's shirt that she wore to New York she definitely knew what the symbol meant she probably just didn't take it seriously because she just bought the shirt and didn't too much about and just bought it because she thought it looked cool she wasn't trying to offend people with it, and the shirt she wore during SBS performance that was The stylist fault, and there is definitely a chance that she did not know what that meant because I didn't even know what it meant, to be honest when I was looking at this shirt I thought it was cute and I love the colors up until the people told me what it means so it's not just the Korean ignorance on this it's pretty much can be anybody from any race cuz I really did not know and I live and was born and raised in the United States and I had no idea what this symbol had anything to do with Trump or whatever and find out what it means now I'm definitely against and I would never wear it or pick up anything that says that but I definitely wouldn't pick up anything that had a Nazi symbol on it I never gave it much thought but I still wouldn't, but I do know a lot of people do buy this not because they support it just because the design on the shirt or whatever product ii may be on they people won't give it much thought and would just think this design looks pretty cool on this particular clothing, it doesn't mean they're trying to represent it they just buy it because it looks good on this particular item, if people are sensitive about something like this they probably similar protests until people stop making a symbol and putting it on their designs or anyting because it can cause huge problems in the end, but that organization that was supporting Trump or whatever I really don't follow politics and I was not watching the news that much cuz I got tired of seeing him and people talk about him so I had no idea about what this meant or how this offend people she probably was the same, and probably was not following up on everything that was going on involving him.
I agreed with you. I don’t think anyone would want to wear a shirt that they know what the design/look on the shirt actually is. If anyone knows that the design/detail on their shirt is problematic and can get canceled why would they wanna wear it knowing that it could affect themselves? (disclaimer: I’m not defending anyone, it’s just my own thoughts and opinion) and talking abt the shirt that chae wore, imo if I had known before abt the symbol on it, I would never wear it despite it being so WRONG.
Right? It gets me angry that people think everyone will know a topic that they know :’)
You can suspect that she knew what the symbol was, but to say she "definitely knew" is absolute conjecture on your part. She may have known and she may not have, but there is no way for you to determine that. Many people in the US have gotten into similar trouble for wearing the Japanese Rising Sun without knowing that it's completely offensive to Asians. Also, the Japanese Rising Sun flag is still easily available to order on clothing, bags, etc... so it shows that many people today don't realize that it is offensive, just like the Hakenkreuz. Also... please learn to use a period. You have written one gigantic 900 word sentence.
@@williamcolgin1987 you last sentence was so rude :’)
but it was not just the symbol it is a pic of Sid Vicious who is a famous Punk rocker and he is wearing a shirt with the symbol on it some punks wore that symbol and most were anti-fascist and anarchists
Do u no in many asian countries including India swastik is holy symbol used at sacred occasions so it's possible that she didn't know about it even didn't knew about it before this controversy ... U Europeans should understand that there is a much larger world outside west and our cultures are much meaningful than urs!!!!!!
That’s not a swastika
just say the nazi swastika is like the red sun japan flag, this way they will easily understand that it's a offensive thing,not all country education teaching the history about the world war 2 and what it can be consider as offensive. even me knowing about nazi swastika is a offensive thing just purely base on seeing international kpop fan talking about it as it a big NO NO thing to do. this nazi swastika thing is a thing from western and euro only...people from africa or asia dont even think its a offensive thing...
I agree that we should make them accountable of their action, but I still think that you guys overreacting because there’s a lot of stuff in this world that we don’t even know. I didn’t know about this sign until you guys talked about it, and maybe she did not know about it Either, it’s okay if you want her to say sorry but the Heat that shes getting is ridiculous.
I mean, it IS a sex pistols shirt. While it is bad, its def on brand lol. nah but for real, homegirl knows wtf a swastika is, while they may not be super educated, that symbol is everywhere in the media.
Personally I think Chae had some say on the shirt that she wore. Ignorance may have been an excuse at first and potentially blame the stylist for it but doing it for the second time is already too much and possibly just the idol, manager and entertainment not caring at all to even check.
funny how you say this to issues relating to gg members but turn a blind eye and keep defending lucas
actually when Lisa braids became a problem those days, i was so surprised cos so many white people has been doing this for years n its becoming a thing (i don't see something wrong with just hair) so many people are even putting dreads which actually the most culture thing of black people but that t-shirt of Nazi we definitely know the awful story behind that symbol
Exactly. And I'm one of them who doesnt know the problematic stuffs even thou I'll be online every time🙂
But I don't why netizens are going crazy. She even apologised
Okay, here is Chaeyoung, she was explained about the sign on the T-shirt, she apologized, deleted the photo. I wonder what you think should be done next to keep her accountable: take her to some European country with this T-shirt to get arrested there, or maybe walk naked through the city like Cersei Lannister with people shouting "Shame on you"?
Clearly Missed The Point.
kpop fan missing the point, insane truly
girl what the actual fuck lmfao get help
The point is often missed by this person.... I'm not surprised by the comment to be honest.
@@cameo403 so please explain the point... cause everybody talks about holding accountability but what does that really mean?
i heard that her shirt was $500... how do u buy something that expensive and not know the meaning?
Because it's a Sid Vicious T-shirt? Notice how no one at the rehearsals in US took issue with the T-shirt? It's only people online; generally by people who were not directly or closely affected by the Nazis (i.e. not representatives of the Jewish or Romani people, for example) but rather people who are taking offense for their behalf.
"Expensive"... She is a millionaire. 😂
@@evilwelshman name checks out lmfao
@@Chrysler-sy1by yes but still idols also think twice before buying cloths of such high price
Sure I’ll concede that some people baby idols. But I don’t think that has ANYTHING to do with the Chaeyoung thing. Like seriously think about this. Do you really think a professional idol in her 7th year of her career is a neonazi? Like do you think she picked out that shirt and she said man this is really gonna get the Jews to hate me. Like you people are clearly the ignorant ones, she either A. Didn’t know which symbol it was or B. Just thought it was a sex pistols shirt. I feel like one must seriously have to consider whether or not somebody is doing something to purposely hurt someone/a group of people, and I just don’t believe Chaeyoung would’ve intentionally done anything to hurt anybody. But hey, that’s just me I guess. Because a lot of people seem to agree with some of the dumb takes in this video. And I just don’t understand anymore.
As a black bisexual kpop fan, it’s literally EXHAUSTING to argue with other on social media by what idols say and do to my culture that can be offensive, they always dismiss black kpop fans as being bitter or dismissive. For instance the Giselle scandal, I cannot tell u the amount of ppl on RUclips that have defended her actions, saying she didn’t know when she literally was a in a international school in Japan, or Jay Park (soloist) literally using black culture as his profit and discriminating against his black fans and ppl still say that he’s a good person and we shouldn’t judge, like if the man was not born and raised in America. Same goes for Jessi with marketing off of black women and heavily appropriating off black culture then denies that she is and fans still defending and supporting what she is doing and Hwasa wearing an traditional African clothing as a Halloween costume, and fans saying she didn’t know. When she obviously bought the clothing so she most likely knew that it was traditional clothing. I’ve been a fan of kpop since 2nd gen stuff like this is nothing new, but ever since kpop has grown more there are more fans willing to defend their faves for saying anything offensive to a community and they don’t care and it’s honestly sad and disgusting that fans put idols over morals