As someone who was here for 2nd Gen, I just need to tell yall that We Got Married actually caused a LOT of drama and controversy. Some of the idols paired up STILL don't speak to each other because of the hate that happened. Fandoms were still fandoms lol (Ex: Taemin & Naeun)
If you watched the whole video they mention that at 5:43 even tho they got hate social media wasn’t as big back then now the hate would be so much worse for 4th gen
Honestly, this new generation of kpop fans can’t take jokes anymore. That’s why kpop is no longer fun. Every little thing is watched closely and now everything is stiff. I do like when idols have their own variety shows because it seems like they can freely express themselves without things being watched way too carefully.
@@pinkstrwbxrry4400 but anyone can see that a lot of the times, especially involving a lot of new gen kpop fans, when jokes that used to be seen as funny back then will not work anymore now since everything is watched too carefully now. Not just by kpop fans but the media and knetz. A lot of things SNSD has joked about would get them cancelled now with newer fans ( not to say that it hasn’t with older fans as well but now it’s more out there )
@@jasminejames1807 yeah it's because the cancel culture. Hate wise it's the same either it's 2nd 3rd or 4th gen the haters is the same, like snsd black ocean, and someone just go up to the stage and drag taeyeon. But now because of the cancel culture, everyone need to really really becarefull
This video is right I miss when idols didn’t act so perfect for their “idol image” it makes them so boring now. It’s when idols leave the “perfect image” behind and act funny that they are actually entertaining & not boring stiff sticks
i had taken a break from kpop a while back nd when i got back into it, one of the first things i got to know was that vlive was abt to be deleted, bruh u cant even imagine how shocked i was and i still aint over it, like i remember the time i took 100+ ss of hyunjin literally doing nothinggg, I MISS VLIVE 😭
@@aalm6206 @kpoppindaily Everything I watched on vlive moved over to Wevere for my idol groups. all their old videos and lives. Have you guys checked out Weverse?
But GOING SEVENTEEN is really good and fun.seventeen and ateez have very good variety skills compare to other... For me svt is the only group that do well in other variety show as well and are very funny.
SNSD, Shinee, SISTAR, SJ, Bigbang, 2pm, etc. were like the most fun group to watch before. They roast each other's members, not afraid of showing goofy faces, fun and raw personalities and more. They can also do collab without the toxic fandom cancelling them because their fav idol is with another girl/boy. Now in 4th gen, making eye contact in opposite gender even accidentally will cause so much drama and rumor start flying, to the point where breathing might even cause them to be cancelled. Sad
I miss OG Running Man. I don't care about anything now. I just watch some dramas. I don't care. Sorry not sorry... It just all feels too fake now. The new gens barely have real personalities... 😒😒😒
Tbf most of them are v young and new to the game so they still have to warm up to being on tv in a capacity that they’re not trained for. Not all idols want to/can/have to be tv personalities.
Same I also miss OG Running Man especially after lee Kwangsoo left it's not the same but than again I kinda understand why... They are much older than they were when it started and they've talked about getting injured a lot... However I'll still miss the nametag race from the first episodes 😔
Tbh what I don't understand is how people want 2nd gen vibes back but they are also the ones who made 3rd and 4th gen idols be so conscious over everything they do or say
Only those who witnessed the 2nd gen can relate with this feeling, but time's go on and kpop fans grow up too I was in high school back then but now I'm a mom and 2nd gen will still be my best era of kpop because it represents my teenage years, 3rd gen will gen soon this feeling one day, even 4th gen too
There are both positives and negatives to idols being on variety shows. But I was just watching invincible youth and I was thinking it would be great to have something like that now. It would be great way to have idols creat more friendships that are out of their groups.
I have been rewatching a lot of the old Knowing Bros and Runningman episodes, and wow the content then versus now is just something else, wish they could breathe without getting almost hung for being them selves, can't wait for idols who will risk it to change the industry
Variety shows were peak during the late 2000s to early 2010s. Invincible Youth, Hello Baby, Star Golden Bell, Strong Heart and more. There were so many shows. Freaking X-man was great.
I’m glad idol groups don’t have to be dependent on variety shows to promote anymore. Social media has made idols become more accessible. There’s pros and cons, but I think the groups aren’t losing anything for NOT being in variety shows. Some of the hosts of variety are assholes anyway.
Isn't that just an assumption like you don't know the variety show host irl either so who are you to say whether they're an asshole or not? Just from videos you see online of them that's your proof they're assholes
But still it was fun,but now idols are rarely on some shows and if they come to reality shows it’s be so boring,like before idols was so fun and actually enjoyable to watch,now the only “fun” things that come from idols is tik toks….
6:26 "A lot of 2nd gen would be cancelled if they debut in 4th gen" I can't imagine how bad that would be because from viewing their interactions and how free 2nd gen were with each other,if it was now,they would be called names and all sorts of things that are so not friendly, at least they lived to reign then ,right now there's so much toxicness and unnecessary dramas in the industry that it's draining
I so agree to this. I guess when you're a genuine Kpop fan for a very long time and not just following a single group, you can definitely see the difference.
That’s why I stan Treasure. They’re a fourth gen group that’s really 2nd gen in terms of both talent and variety skills (they are naturally chaotic and funny af). There’s a reason why so many people say they remind them of exo and seventeen. Treasure map is one of the few K-pop shows that actually makes me laugh out loud.
That's what I miss about Weekly Idol these days. Most of the the time I'm seeing groups I never even heard of and they tend to be boring. Even when second gen. groups like SNSD and Kara reunited and had comebacks, they didn't appear on the show. These older groups are very entertaining because they basically take over the show and have fun. EXID was the only one who reunited and came on Weekly Idol and they were laugh out loud funny. I miss those days.
It's alright i think they don't have to anymore. If those 2 groups happen to be there. Oh, say no more. They need MCs no more. They'll run it themselves.
The only times I ever watch Weekly Idol is when a group I stan goes on there to promote their comeback. Some parts are fun, but most of the time the MCs don't even hide the fact that they're just reading off a script. The idols seem to have fun, but there are lots of times when I see the idols who aren't the focus of the conversation just staring off into space or forcing a smile and it makes me sad because how can we have fun when they don't have fun? Basically I think they need better MCs and more exciting segments that every member can take part in instead of focusing the conversation on the same two or three idols every time.
Honestly, they should have just invited Heechul and Hani back to host Weekly Idol. Heechul's interaction with Hani and other idols are so funny. He's so quick at making witty jokes.
While I love some of the groups today I honestly hate most of the fandoms, I've been a kpop fan since November of 2000 and it's changed so much since then sadly not for the better. Fandoms are toxic and I don't believe they really care about the groups they listen to. We [fans] used to fight for the groups to be seen as people now the fans fight if a member just breathes a way they don't like. The groups when given the chance are funny and when the they get the chance to interact with other groups it's one of the best things out there [for example kingdom, the show was @$$ but the interacts was worth it] Conclusion: fans nowadays can't take a joke and are too entitled. They made the groups this way and I'm afraid it's too late to change it.
Let’s not pretend like 2nd gen wasn’t toxic as well. The way fans treated Baekhyun and Taeyeon when the dating news broke out as well as the fans’ reaction to Chen getting married and having a kid. The infamous SNSD black ocean. The way the public treated Park Bom after her “drug” scandal. The way an uncomfortable amount of VIPS defended Seungri even with all the evidence against him. The kpop fandom has been pretty toxic for a long time. You’re just seeing the toxicity adjusted to the new generation and the larger social media presence idols have.
K-pop would’ve kept getting bigger if there weren’t extremely traumatizing events on a weekly basis at one point. Suicide, murder, rape, theft and arrests were happening so often with idols and their management… that everyone ran from supporting their whole industry. It won’t be big again until they act right.
its because the media is super sensitive now. So idols are always careful in what they say and how they look, so you don't see the enjoyment watching idols in shows
These are all good points. I liked the interactions between people in 2nd gen groups with variety shows. I also liked a bit of the unfilteredness of the idols and hosts back then. On the other hand, I understand that some of the behaviors and ways of thinking that were ok 10 years ago could be problematic now. And that shouldn't necessarily be ignored. I also think that some idols just might not be built for variety and thats ok, their music is the most important. Idols with their own agency-produced variety shows could be more comfortable and although I agree with shows being more boring, I don't think they're all bad. Seventeen I think set a standard for agency-produced variety shows. I just wish there was a middle ground because 2nd gen varieties were also quite nice. Maybe variety shows should start being aired on streaming services or promoted on apps that many 3rd and 4th gen idols groups consistently use.
I miss variaty programs. It made them more natural and honest. Yes, maybe problematic at times but honest. I became a Suju fan because of this shows, and I still watch them because of how fun and entertaining they are (ALL HAIL THE KINGS OF ENTERTEINMENT). Also I think there most ALWAYS be a host in a idol show if they are new. This is because some idols are shy and need guidance or a way to break the ice during unconfortable situacions. But after the first years its fine for them to go solo. Stray kids and Seventeen are an example of idols groups who dont need a host to make a show entertaining. But I do see how its not the same for girls groups because of the annoying idea that they most always follow a certain norm. Girls Generation were the queens of entertainmente because they werent scared of breaking some rules. LET THE IDOLS BE THEMSELVES FOR GOD SAKE.
somthing really changed with the switch from analogue to digital broadcasting in Korea , I remember when this happened the picture quality went up of course , but for some reason everything became very boring
5:22, and that's why variety shows aren't as fun as they were in the 2nd gen. It's because of these overly sensitive, delusional, no-life-having netizens that like to ruin everything for everyone, and spread hate because they don't like a certain idol that they think is a terrible person all because that idol is the visual or is super talented.😡
2nd/early 3rd gen lover here. I truly miss the old days, even of these K-Pop variety shows. And seeing this video confirms even more for me that it was the best decision to leave the fanbase in 2021. K-Pop isn't K-Pop anymore, same is said for variety shows...
As a 1 and 2 gen fans there was fun back than now it’s not too fun to watch I don’t watch variety shows anymore and I feel like am moving away from the K-pop world so yeah 😅😅
It’s very sad indeed and the worst part is that the ones who miss out all this fun opportunities are the idols themselves, because of their own fan base. I’m glad I grew up with 2nd gen.
Even the recent ISACs aren't that fun to watch anymore since the interaction between idol groups are more restrained. Unlike before when you can see them clowning around each other.
Totally agree. Yes back then there was also toxic fans (always have been and always will be), but it just felt like they could be themselves. Yeah they were trained and maybe werent totally themselves, but at least it felt natural/genuine for most. And u could have members from different groups being on the same show and be friends and it was all good (for the most part). That was such a nice thing, seeing all these idols interact with one another and know that they had personal relationships in private. But now? Nope, cant have them act friendly or be friends. The fans (just like so much of the world) have become so much more sensitive about everything, even though they r super inconsequential. Yes i could be biased since second gen was when i got into and really fell in love with kpop/k variety, but i think the points i made do hold true to some extent.
I agree. For instance,.SNSD had me laughing from start to finish in every variety show they are in. Literally laughing. Now, idols' actions are very calculated
Late 2010's I somehow convinced myself that kpop fandoms were getting better and by now in 2023 I realize that they're just a different kind of bad :/ I got into kpop during second gen and there's so much I miss about it but I also remember how toxic it could get back then as well
invincible youth and all snsd variety shows are so entertaining to watch. i always come to see one of their show every month. eventhough i already know whats gonna happen but its still enjoyable to watch (somehow its like the same feelings like watching f.r.i.e.n.d.s. show for me) 😂😂. not only snsd but most variety show in 2000 to 2015. when idols, hosts, and entertainers could blend together 😂 thank you for all the good memories. and for go hara & sully you did well! rest easy ❤
i think that now we’re just in a space where idols have to be IDOLS. they have to be these untouchable figures of beauty and perfection. even if you look at how in 2nd and 3rd gen, idols still had somewhat achievable visuals. however, now 4th gen idols are supposed to look almost like dolls, barely even close to what a real human looks like. so it’s no shocker that when they are on any kind of variety show, they put on a character. sometimes the super chic one, the sexy one, the cute one, the pro. but always a character. not to sound like one of those older gen stan’s who hate everything about 4th gen, i like some groups. it’s just gotten undeniably more and more toxic both for the idols and in the fandoms.
This is why I love Exo's Ladder, I'm a sucker for the theme of "kpop group goes overseas for a touristic adventure" and the ladder mini game makes it so fun and entertaining. Although, I'm doubting they'll make another season but it was fun while it lasted Edit: not to mention Exo's showtime is iconic af, I wish they would do one again 😔
Even though drama/scandals DID happen in some 2nd gen shows (like mentioned in the video) and crazy fandoms were still crazy fandoms, i agree. Variety shows were masterpieces compared to what idols do today. Idols and fans were at least a bit more normal and genuine back then. I also completely agree that 4th gen Idols feel more at easy without hosts, but i think there is just no fun in watching any of those anymore. Its personal, i lost any interest that I had for idols in variety shows nowadays. Ironically, if anything, they seem more forced to do things and participate than ever.
That is why I love SM groups. You can not love one group without loving their sunbaes and honbeas. They are fans and friends of each other so they make you like them too. I hope new management does not change the endearing relationships among them.
I agree, I loved and enjoyed the variety shows before because they are interacting with other people but now companies produce content solely about the group. Its fine but it is repetitive and its kinda boring because its the same format but with different games or challenges. :((
Idols should be on variety shows led by comedians that’s why it was so interesting before . The problem is that many of the host they use now only follow a script. They don’t have anyone clever to say.
Actually it's not because the hate, as even in 2nd gen they still got a lot of hate, SNSD black ocean in 2008 for example. The difference is the F cancel culture. Tiffany got that as she was withdraw from sister slam dunk because of filter
That’s true. The way shows in kpop are so different then and now. I’m an og kpop fan and I get to see a lot of changes throughout the years. I think the way we express things now are sometimes too serious and too deep. So it’s not really fun anymore. There are exceptions in how the idols perform in their own shows, fun, entertaining and not shy in front of cameras. But still there are many differences and it can be good or bad.
I've watched Invincible Youth twice and I still watch clips of it once in awhile. Its the era when idols openly tease each other about having crushes on other idols. Nowadays, a female idol cant even interact with a male idol without rabid fans calling her a pick me.
That's why i don't watch 4th gen variety show i only watch their music shows But i watched the variety shows and interviews and music shows for 2nd and soome of 3rd gen because they sooo funny and they laughed at themselves like snsd super junior big bang fx btob mamamoo exo apink shinee and 2pm
These shows would be excellent but done correctly and safely, ensuring every idol is comfortable. I miss when kpop idols used to communicate with each other and had genuine fun with each other in the open rather than having to sneak around fans just to hang out with each other, but now you have to worry about saesangs easily taking down people's careers due to false rumors, people acting weirdly behind the scenes. Variety shows aren't what they were anymore, well the ones that displayed actual idols having fun and the ones where idols felt comfortable even behind the scenes, those are the shows that should be brought back!
I should mention this, I think that one of the reason why nowadays idols have their own variety shows and rarely come to the commercial variety shows is because of the mistreatment scandals among the korean entertainment industry. It is to be said that Idols don't regarded as "entertainers" among them and often looked down upon. This is why the infamous Jungkook mistreatment happened in the first place. Then again, talking about Jungkook and BTS, their own variety shows "Running BTS" also really big and famous which become one of the reasons for other idols to follow the same steps. It's a pity that you didn't include this in the video. Alas... Weekly Idol was LEGENDARY. Let me tell you. Yes the MC was too much sometimes, but you can't deny that they're funny. Also the dance challenges were ICONIC. I miss the random dance and speed up dance challenges so much 😢 Also the og running man is very entertaining too. Nowadays, the variety shows are not "various" anymore since everyone has their own....
i came to like NCT because of WEEKLY IDOL... i just miss NCT on WEEKLY IDOL... NCT DREAM always have the funniest episode every year back then... But im also happy bcos NCT regularly make youtube contents and its all very funny
I hope idols talk about the negatives during shows more. There are idols who debuted as minors, so it would be cool if these idols talked about their negatives of being an idol such as missing their parents.
i miss the variety show from 2nd gen 🥲.. i actually stop following kpop variety show from 3rd-4th gen.. which is sad even if i stan certain groups its doesnt feel genuine when i watch their own show.
So true now it's way less interesting , idols look bored, don't seems to have fun sometime, not all the old show were great but a lot were more natural & the celebrity could talk to each other without having crazy fans attacking someone for talking to his or her fav etc ...... Now almost all shows are boring except "i live alone" where you can see people being themself but it's mostly actors or people from TV not idols of course what's normal , knowing bro is ok some episode are more interesting than others cause of the game they choose, "Star King" was great, "normal "people came to show their talent & celebrity all mixed were trying it etc..( of course the back stage with the presenter back then was not always great) but if we just talk about the concept it was really funny , beautiful, great to see all artist together like a familly enjoy the show. now it's all the same & really flat. But it's the same for Awards it's was way more fun before, like a big family not just a preformance for buisness, it was funny too etc ... But now that Kpop is more known, a lot of new fans disrespect the old generation for nothing , a lot of them are Toxic & start war between fandom for nothing too . of course back then crazy toxic fans existed too but now it's WAY worst . i'm from 2nd Gen & i saw the evolution 2nd Gen was the Happy funny creative one the one who have build almost everything for the new ones (of course it was not perfect at all ), 3rd gen was still ok but end 3rd gen debut 4th gen everything have start to be Way more Toxic & all about Buisness Buisness, Views etc ........ of course it was always important but it was not as toxic as it is now.
For me, it was the OG running man, Invincible Youth, 2pm's wild bunny and other variety show, OG weekly idol, Idol Room, The Roommate, IGot7, Unnies Slam Dunk, Happy Together, and Super Juniors exploration of the human body. I miss those genuinely funny Korean variety and reality shows that were actually entertaining. I still don't care if people didn't like the MCs from the OG weekly idol, but the OG weekly idol was hilarious to me and we got to see idols interact more comfortably back when the show was funny. Nowadays idols try too hard to be funny. Shows just aren't entertaining anymore. I miss idols not giving a fuck. Now they HAVE to follow rules that make them look lame and awkward.
i had an idea kpop group playing other kpop group games. example other groups doing time to twice, other groups doing lenniverse by lessarafim, doing games done like itzy, ive, izone chu, dream team, airport english checkup
hmmm, i'd say shows that are the kpop group's own, such as EN-O'clock are still interesting and entertaining but the others, i agree, though, there still are variety shows that are funny, entertaining, and real.
Invincible Youth was about as real as it got. It was so entertaining because it literally pulled female idols out of their shells and dumped them in a place to be farmers. It was great tourism for the village as well and I wish they continued doing it in different rural villages all across Korea. Could just keep playing the same games in different places with different idols and it would still feel brand new. Who doesn't want to watch their favourite idols chase chickens, shovel animal poop, plant seeds, harvest the biggest sweet potato, prep and consume traditional meals, build their own outdoor toilet, drive farming machines, compete for popularity in the village town?
I have to largely agree with Kookielit here. The only thing I want to add that while the down side of today is massive fandoms/social media means more demands on an idols image, the downside of the 1st and 2nd gen was the cut-throat environment idols were in, to the point where most saw each other as rivals rather than colleagues. Of course this wasn't true for everyone, but the industry was structures as such that put people against each other at the time. Thankfully some of that has lifted.
I see a lot of variety shows with idols today and I like that they have their own shows. I like that they don’t have to go on shows they don’t want to go on. I’m very confused about what people want from idols. Do they want them to be singers or tv personalities? *tbf I don’t like the ones that involve interviews except Showtview(?). I’d rather something like New World, Sixth Sense or them hosting a dating show for example so maybe that’s why I don’t care as much
I think its more the idea of them being themselves more than the program itself. Because even in their own content sometimes they are too scared to talk. But I do gonna say that the programs were entertaining.
@@nmoomoo yeah that's true. Stray Kids and Seventeen are a great example. But I think that for new groups they still need some host or help because it my be hard at first. But it all depends on their personalities and how comfortable they feel 🤷🏻♀️. So if they can be themselves the format doesn't matter. Or its at list my opinion 😅. Nice talk ✌🏻.
Yeah. I think 2nd and early 3rd gen shows were more natural because idols could be more natural and not affraid to tell some things where today they would be cancelled seconds after saying those things. Shows with close interactions between groups and between genders is basicly not an option. Basicly stupid netizens and toxic people in the fandom ruined variety shows.
The excess shipping culture and baseless assumptions have ruined the interactions idols used to have or could still have, it was so much better in the 2nd gen but now even if someone looks at the other they've already slept together regardless of their gender, group or relationship The worst case is the Huening siblings, despite being real siblings people still dare to say that they are dating 😢😢
As someone who was here for 2nd Gen, I just need to tell yall that We Got Married actually caused a LOT of drama and controversy. Some of the idols paired up STILL don't speak to each other because of the hate that happened.
Fandoms were still fandoms lol
(Ex: Taemin & Naeun)
If you watched the whole video they mention that at 5:43 even tho they got hate social media wasn’t as big back then now the hate would be so much worse for 4th gen
@@justvibing2171 ty friend :)
Not for every pairing tho. YongSeo, Khuntoria, Adam’s couple are the exception. Even Taeyeon’s pitiful pairing is still fine.
Solar and eric nam too! But I'm glad it seems they still friend with each other although they dont really interact with each other
EXACTLYYYY I was thinking about this the whole time!!
Sooyoung was literally iconic. Thank god she debuted in 2nd generation.
Savage queen of K-pop Choi Sooyoung hahaha XD
Yeah thank God, she debuted in 2nd Generation. Imagine if she debuted in 4th Generation, she literally got canceled😅
Sooyoung and hyoyoen
Honestly, this new generation of kpop fans can’t take jokes anymore. That’s why kpop is no longer fun. Every little thing is watched closely and now everything is stiff. I do like when idols have their own variety shows because it seems like they can freely express themselves without things being watched way too carefully.
You can’t just blame that on new gen Kpop fans a lot of older gen Kpop fans can’t take jokes either.
@@pinkstrwbxrry4400 I’m only going off by what I see on the daily and that is what I do see but I do see where you are coming from
@@pinkstrwbxrry4400 but anyone can see that a lot of the times, especially involving a lot of new gen kpop fans, when jokes that used to be seen as funny back then will not work anymore now since everything is watched too carefully now. Not just by kpop fans but the media and knetz. A lot of things SNSD has joked about would get them cancelled now with newer fans ( not to say that it hasn’t with older fans as well but now it’s more out there )
@@jasminejames1807 yeah it's because the cancel culture.
Hate wise it's the same either it's 2nd 3rd or 4th gen the haters is the same, like snsd black ocean, and someone just go up to the stage and drag taeyeon. But now because of the cancel culture, everyone need to really really becarefull
This video is right I miss when idols didn’t act so perfect for their “idol image” it makes them so boring now. It’s when idols leave the “perfect image” behind and act funny that they are actually entertaining & not boring stiff sticks
But some idols could naturally be shy and quiet. So back then some idols had to fake their personalities to be more funny.
I miss vlive because many kpop idols got to be themselves and interact with their fans and now that it's gone it's kinda of depressing
i had taken a break from kpop a while back nd when i got back into it, one of the first things i got to know was that vlive was abt to be deleted, bruh u cant even imagine how shocked i was and i still aint over it, like i remember the time i took 100+ ss of hyunjin literally doing nothinggg, I MISS VLIVE 😭
@@aalm6206 @kpoppindaily Everything I watched on vlive moved over to Wevere for my idol groups. all their old videos and lives. Have you guys checked out Weverse?
Yes they just stare at the screen and barely speak a word
Wait you guys actually watch the vlive and don’t leave after 5 minutes!?
@@Nikhil52018 I think it depends on the idols and how many fans log on. My idols are very funny and engage with their fans
But GOING SEVENTEEN is really good and fun.seventeen and ateez have very good variety skills compare to other... For me svt is the only group that do well in other variety show as well and are very funny.
SNSD, Shinee, SISTAR, SJ, Bigbang, 2pm, etc. were like the most fun group to watch before. They roast each other's members, not afraid of showing goofy faces, fun and raw personalities and more. They can also do collab without the toxic fandom cancelling them because their fav idol is with another girl/boy.
Now in 4th gen, making eye contact in opposite gender even accidentally will cause so much drama and rumor start flying, to the point where breathing might even cause them to be cancelled. Sad
I miss OG Running Man. I don't care about anything now. I just watch some dramas. I don't care. Sorry not sorry... It just all feels too fake now. The new gens barely have real personalities... 😒😒😒
They all just feel like automated dolls who speak when they're spoken to..
Have u ever asked urself why she act like that, because of all the toxic fans
Tbf most of them are v young and new to the game so they still have to warm up to being on tv in a capacity that they’re not trained for. Not all idols want to/can/have to be tv personalities.
Everyone has a personality. They just dont show it anymore.
Same I also miss OG Running Man especially after lee Kwangsoo left it's not the same but than again I kinda understand why... They are much older than they were when it started and they've talked about getting injured a lot... However I'll still miss the nametag race from the first episodes 😔
Tbh what I don't understand is how people want 2nd gen vibes back but they are also the ones who made 3rd and 4th gen idols be so conscious over everything they do or say
Only those who witnessed the 2nd gen can relate with this feeling, but time's go on and kpop fans grow up too
I was in high school back then but now I'm a mom and 2nd gen will still be my best era of kpop because it represents my teenage years, 3rd gen will gen soon this feeling one day, even 4th gen too
did you come into kpop late? if so, thanks for telling us.
@@Lalalemon687 true!
There are both positives and negatives to idols being on variety shows. But I was just watching invincible youth and I was thinking it would be great to have something like that now. It would be great way to have idols creat more friendships that are out of their groups.
I have been rewatching a lot of the old Knowing Bros and Runningman episodes, and wow the content then versus now is just something else, wish they could breathe without getting almost hung for being them selves, can't wait for idols who will risk it to change the industry
Well us Kpop fans made them this way, Most kpop fans can't take a joke these days 😔😒
Including this channel.
@@skillbopster explain
@@skillbopster what did thechannel do?
Variety shows were peak during the late 2000s to early 2010s. Invincible Youth, Hello Baby, Star Golden Bell, Strong Heart and more. There were so many shows. Freaking X-man was great.
I’m glad idol groups don’t have to be dependent on variety shows to promote anymore. Social media has made idols become more accessible. There’s pros and cons, but I think the groups aren’t losing anything for NOT being in variety shows. Some of the hosts of variety are assholes anyway.
Isn't that just an assumption like you don't know the variety show host irl either so who are you to say whether they're an asshole or not? Just from videos you see online of them that's your proof they're assholes
I saw you under another comment saying you unsubscribed yet here you are acting like a subscribed fan watching her videos and commenting
But still it was fun,but now idols are rarely on some shows and if they come to reality shows it’s be so boring,like before idols was so fun and actually enjoyable to watch,now the only “fun” things that come from idols is tik toks….
@@ilovecutestuff I guess it depends on how the show. Like watch Sixth Sense or New World which was a lot of fun.
Why bother going on a variety show when you can just be brand ambassador? 😂
6:26 "A lot of 2nd gen would be cancelled if they debut in 4th gen"
I can't imagine how bad that would be because from viewing their interactions and how free 2nd gen were with each other,if it was now,they would be called names and all sorts of things that are so not friendly, at least they lived to reign then ,right now there's so much toxicness and unnecessary dramas in the industry that it's draining
Sooyoung : I'm queen of Savage~
Hyoyeon : I hate that your eyes are open right now~
I so agree to this. I guess when you're a genuine Kpop fan for a very long time and not just following a single group, you can definitely see the difference.
Omg I loved Hello Baby. That's how I got into SHINEE
The best season of Hello Baby ngl
Hello baby will always be my favorite variety show SHINee was in
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That’s why I stan Treasure. They’re a fourth gen group that’s really 2nd gen in terms of both talent and variety skills (they are naturally chaotic and funny af). There’s a reason why so many people say they remind them of exo and seventeen. Treasure map is one of the few K-pop shows that actually makes me laugh out loud.
That's what I miss about Weekly Idol these days. Most of the the time I'm seeing groups I never even heard of and they tend to be boring. Even when second gen. groups like SNSD and Kara reunited and had comebacks, they didn't appear on the show. These older groups are very entertaining because they basically take over the show and have fun. EXID was the only one who reunited and came on Weekly Idol and they were laugh out loud funny. I miss those days.
You should watch soshitamtam, SNSD on amazing Saturday and game charterers 2022,it was funny and raw lmao
Weekly idol got rid of those 2 MC's and became boring.
It's alright i think they don't have to anymore. If those 2 groups happen to be there. Oh, say no more. They need MCs no more. They'll run it themselves.
The only times I ever watch Weekly Idol is when a group I stan goes on there to promote their comeback. Some parts are fun, but most of the time the MCs don't even hide the fact that they're just reading off a script. The idols seem to have fun, but there are lots of times when I see the idols who aren't the focus of the conversation just staring off into space or forcing a smile and it makes me sad because how can we have fun when they don't have fun? Basically I think they need better MCs and more exciting segments that every member can take part in instead of focusing the conversation on the same two or three idols every time.
Honestly, they should have just invited Heechul and Hani back to host Weekly Idol. Heechul's interaction with Hani and other idols are so funny. He's so quick at making witty jokes.
not for carats though, GOSE has remained unchanged literally the most superior show!
RIGHT!!! GOSE is what keeps me going through the week 🎉🎉 especially with all 13 different personas.
They're so unpredictable and funny😂
Now I'm literally waiting for next week
Watch Going Seventeen and TO DO. They are, in a word, ICONIC!!!🎉
Exception #1 ANYTHING Seventeen appears on. Authentic and funny occasionally completely forgot to mind their image🤭🤣
Jun said they lost their image long time ago 🤣
While I love some of the groups today I honestly hate most of the fandoms, I've been a kpop fan since November of 2000 and it's changed so much since then sadly not for the better. Fandoms are toxic and I don't believe they really care about the groups they listen to. We [fans] used to fight for the groups to be seen as people now the fans fight if a member just breathes a way they don't like. The groups when given the chance are funny and when the they get the chance to interact with other groups it's one of the best things out there [for example kingdom, the show was @$$ but the interacts was worth it]
Conclusion: fans nowadays can't take a joke and are too entitled. They made the groups this way and I'm afraid it's too late to change it.
2000...WOW 😯
Let’s not pretend like 2nd gen wasn’t toxic as well. The way fans treated Baekhyun and Taeyeon when the dating news broke out as well as the fans’ reaction to Chen getting married and having a kid. The infamous SNSD black ocean. The way the public treated Park Bom after her “drug” scandal. The way an uncomfortable amount of VIPS defended Seungri even with all the evidence against him. The kpop fandom has been pretty toxic for a long time. You’re just seeing the toxicity adjusted to the new generation and the larger social media presence idols have.
@@abbyc9924look at the deflection
K-pop would’ve kept getting bigger if there weren’t extremely traumatizing events on a weekly basis at one point. Suicide, murder, rape, theft and arrests were happening so often with idols and their management… that everyone ran from supporting their whole industry. It won’t be big again until they act right.
its because the media is super sensitive now. So idols are always careful in what they say and how they look, so you don't see the enjoyment watching idols in shows
These are all good points. I liked the interactions between people in 2nd gen groups with variety shows. I also liked a bit of the unfilteredness of the idols and hosts back then. On the other hand, I understand that some of the behaviors and ways of thinking that were ok 10 years ago could be problematic now. And that shouldn't necessarily be ignored. I also think that some idols just might not be built for variety and thats ok, their music is the most important. Idols with their own agency-produced variety shows could be more comfortable and although I agree with shows being more boring, I don't think they're all bad. Seventeen I think set a standard for agency-produced variety shows. I just wish there was a middle ground because 2nd gen varieties were also quite nice. Maybe variety shows should start being aired on streaming services or promoted on apps that many 3rd and 4th gen idols groups consistently use.
I miss variaty programs. It made them more natural and honest. Yes, maybe problematic at times but honest. I became a Suju fan because of this shows, and I still watch them because of how fun and entertaining they are (ALL HAIL THE KINGS OF ENTERTEINMENT). Also I think there most ALWAYS be a host in a idol show if they are new. This is because some idols are shy and need guidance or a way to break the ice during unconfortable situacions. But after the first years its fine for them to go solo. Stray kids and Seventeen are an example of idols groups who dont need a host to make a show entertaining. But I do see how its not the same for girls groups because of the annoying idea that they most always follow a certain norm. Girls Generation were the queens of entertainmente because they werent scared of breaking some rules. LET THE IDOLS BE THEMSELVES FOR GOD SAKE.
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its sad how much has changed over the years
somthing really changed with the switch from analogue to digital broadcasting in Korea , I remember when this happened the picture quality went up of course , but for some reason everything became very boring
5:22, and that's why variety shows aren't as fun as they were in the 2nd gen. It's because of these overly sensitive, delusional, no-life-having netizens that like to ruin everything for everyone, and spread hate because they don't like a certain idol that they think is a terrible person all because that idol is the visual or is super talented.😡
2nd/early 3rd gen lover here. I truly miss the old days, even of these K-Pop variety shows. And seeing this video confirms even more for me that it was the best decision to leave the fanbase in 2021. K-Pop isn't K-Pop anymore, same is said for variety shows...
As a 1 and 2 gen fans there was fun back than now it’s not too fun to watch I don’t watch variety shows anymore and I feel like am moving away from the K-pop world so yeah 😅😅
I remember when Blackpink were always making shows and that when I realize, they aren’t going to K-pop shows anymore
It’s very sad indeed and the worst part is that the ones who miss out all this fun opportunities are the idols themselves, because of their own fan base.
I’m glad I grew up with 2nd gen.
SNSD variety shows were so much fun. Once they met 2PM I laughed so hard.
2nd and 3rd generation have the best shows and still fun to watch
The best shows are the ones that the idols are doing themselves 💜
"a few exceptions" *ateez appears* I AM PROUD!!!
YES THEY KNOW. THEIR VARIETY SHOWS ARE THE BEST 😭 I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEW WANTEEZ EPS
Proud of our 8 Pirates 🥂
😎🖤SHEESH🖤😎
The only groups that are not 2nd gen that seem to do well that i’ve seen in variety shows is stray kids, exo and bts.
you should watch treasure i think they r funny lol
Im missing old shows when all the idols have fun togather and interact togather im missing those interaction now a days we cant see it
Even the recent ISACs aren't that fun to watch anymore since the interaction between idol groups are more restrained. Unlike before when you can see them clowning around each other.
Sooyoung is legendary LOL
As someone being a fan since 2009 and having 2nd gen as my "crew", I'm happy we didn't get as much content, as our idols had more privacy
Totally agree. Yes back then there was also toxic fans (always have been and always will be), but it just felt like they could be themselves.
Yeah they were trained and maybe werent totally themselves, but at least it felt natural/genuine for most.
And u could have members from different groups being on the same show and be friends and it was all good (for the most part). That was such a nice thing, seeing all these idols interact with one another and know that they had personal relationships in private.
But now? Nope, cant have them act friendly or be friends. The fans (just like so much of the world) have become so much more sensitive about everything, even though they r super inconsequential.
Yes i could be biased since second gen was when i got into and really fell in love with kpop/k variety, but i think the points i made do hold true to some extent.
Invincible Youth is one of iconic variety show for me Because they need to work hard in farm just to have food and ofcourse this show is so much fun.
I agree. For instance,.SNSD had me laughing from start to finish in every variety show they are in. Literally laughing. Now, idols' actions are very calculated
Late 2010's I somehow convinced myself that kpop fandoms were getting better and by now in 2023 I realize that they're just a different kind of bad :/
I got into kpop during second gen and there's so much I miss about it but I also remember how toxic it could get back then as well
I miss the old days man
invincible youth and all snsd variety shows are so entertaining to watch. i always come to see one of their show every month. eventhough i already know whats gonna happen but its still enjoyable to watch (somehow its like the same feelings like watching f.r.i.e.n.d.s. show for me) 😂😂. not only snsd but most variety show in 2000 to 2015. when idols, hosts, and entertainers could blend together 😂 thank you for all the good memories. and for go hara & sully you did well! rest easy ❤
i think that now we’re just in a space where idols have to be IDOLS. they have to be these untouchable figures of beauty and perfection. even if you look at how in 2nd and 3rd gen, idols still had somewhat achievable visuals. however, now 4th gen idols are supposed to look almost like dolls, barely even close to what a real human looks like. so it’s no shocker that when they are on any kind of variety show, they put on a character. sometimes the super chic one, the sexy one, the cute one, the pro. but always a character.
not to sound like one of those older gen stan’s who hate everything about 4th gen, i like some groups. it’s just gotten undeniably more and more toxic both for the idols and in the fandoms.
This is why I love Exo's Ladder, I'm a sucker for the theme of "kpop group goes overseas for a touristic adventure" and the ladder mini game makes it so fun and entertaining. Although, I'm doubting they'll make another season but it was fun while it lasted
Edit: not to mention Exo's showtime is iconic af, I wish they would do one again 😔
Even though drama/scandals DID happen in some 2nd gen shows (like mentioned in the video) and crazy fandoms were still crazy fandoms, i agree. Variety shows were masterpieces compared to what idols do today. Idols and fans were at least a bit more normal and genuine back then. I also completely agree that 4th gen Idols feel more at easy without hosts, but i think there is just no fun in watching any of those anymore. Its personal, i lost any interest that I had for idols in variety shows nowadays. Ironically, if anything, they seem more forced to do things and participate than ever.
That is why I love SM groups. You can not love one group without loving their sunbaes and honbeas. They are fans and friends of each other so they make you like them too. I hope new management does not change the endearing relationships among them.
Nah... 2ND Gen can Sing LIVE without any Help of BackTrack and AutoTune. They are the REAL LEGENDARY IDOLS. No Internet but still Famous!
I agree, I loved and enjoyed the variety shows before because they are interacting with other people but now companies produce content solely about the group. Its fine but it is repetitive and its kinda boring because its the same format but with different games or challenges. :((
Idols should be on variety shows led by comedians that’s why it was so interesting before . The problem is that many of the host they use now only follow a script. They don’t have anyone clever to say.
Actually it's not because the hate, as even in 2nd gen they still got a lot of hate, SNSD black ocean in 2008 for example.
The difference is the F cancel culture.
Tiffany got that as she was withdraw from sister slam dunk because of filter
Not for carat going seventeen is the best ♥️
That’s true. The way shows in kpop are so different then and now. I’m an og kpop fan and I get to see a lot of changes throughout the years. I think the way we express things now are sometimes too serious and too deep. So it’s not really fun anymore. There are exceptions in how the idols perform in their own shows, fun, entertaining and not shy in front of cameras. But still there are many differences and it can be good or bad.
Its boring cuz there are so many idols right now that its difficult to do something original
Not as many as it was. Its actually pretty empty rnow. There were so many interactions back then between groups
We got married was the best kshow of all time
Don't be silly it was scripted as hell.
@skillbopster FR MA GURL😭✋🏽
sooyoung queen 😭
The 2nd Gen was special. It’s not the same anymore.
2nd gen supremacy in variety shows!
To be honest. I still listen to 1st and 2 gen Kpop these days. Ever since we seen more of 3rd and 4th arrived in the scene. It’s not Kpop anymore 😢
Toxic fans/society have created this problem. Everyone is hyper judgmental and no one can take a joke. It's all mechanical and soulless now...
Omg I'm crying in the club
For me, the best variety show was Star King! I liked Strong Heart too. But Star king was a really fun mess!
Here's my opinion:
2nd and 3rd gen were the golden eras of kpop
Fight me if you disagree
Now it semez like musics are just being relized because they just want to top the charts and the names be big .
I've watched Invincible Youth twice and I still watch clips of it once in awhile. Its the era when idols openly tease each other about having crushes on other idols. Nowadays, a female idol cant even interact with a male idol without rabid fans calling her a pick me.
Strong Heart is my all time favorite. I wish they could bring it back..
And when u commented that a song is boring... Fandoms will be like : oh u're jealous hahahahaha
The only group that somehow still carry the old kpop sense of humour is SEVENTEEN with GOSE.
That's why i don't watch 4th gen variety show i only watch their music shows
But i watched the variety shows and interviews and music shows for 2nd and soome of 3rd gen because they sooo funny and they laughed at themselves like snsd super junior big bang fx btob mamamoo exo apink shinee and 2pm
These shows would be excellent but done correctly and safely, ensuring every idol is comfortable. I miss when kpop idols used to communicate with each other and had genuine fun with each other in the open rather than having to sneak around fans just to hang out with each other, but now you have to worry about saesangs easily taking down people's careers due to false rumors, people acting weirdly behind the scenes. Variety shows aren't what they were anymore, well the ones that displayed actual idols having fun and the ones where idols felt comfortable even behind the scenes, those are the shows that should be brought back!
I should mention this, I think that one of the reason why nowadays idols have their own variety shows and rarely come to the commercial variety shows is because of the mistreatment scandals among the korean entertainment industry. It is to be said that Idols don't regarded as "entertainers" among them and often looked down upon. This is why the infamous Jungkook mistreatment happened in the first place. Then again, talking about Jungkook and BTS, their own variety shows "Running BTS" also really big and famous which become one of the reasons for other idols to follow the same steps. It's a pity that you didn't include this in the video.
Alas...
Weekly Idol was LEGENDARY. Let me tell you.
Yes the MC was too much sometimes, but you can't deny that they're funny.
Also the dance challenges were ICONIC. I miss the random dance and speed up dance challenges so much 😢
Also the og running man is very entertaining too. Nowadays, the variety shows are not "various" anymore since everyone has their own....
I liked the Jessi showterview because you could see that the guests were relaxed and could be themselves.
i came to like NCT because of WEEKLY IDOL... i just miss NCT on WEEKLY IDOL... NCT DREAM always have the funniest episode every year back then... But im also happy bcos NCT regularly make youtube contents and its all very funny
I hope idols talk about the negatives during shows more. There are idols who debuted as minors, so it would be cool if these idols talked about their negatives of being an idol such as missing their parents.
i miss the variety show from 2nd gen 🥲.. i actually stop following kpop variety show from 3rd-4th gen.. which is sad even if i stan certain groups its doesnt feel genuine when i watch their own show.
i can see the good and the bad like for example i think a lot of shows were a lot of fun but a show like we got married was kind of problematic
So true now it's way less interesting , idols look bored, don't seems to have fun sometime, not all the old show were great but a lot were more natural & the celebrity could talk to each other without having crazy fans attacking someone for talking to his or her fav etc ...... Now almost all shows are boring except "i live alone" where you can see people being themself but it's mostly actors or people from TV not idols of course what's normal , knowing bro is ok some episode are more interesting than others cause of the game they choose, "Star King" was great, "normal "people came to show their talent & celebrity all mixed were trying it etc..( of course the back stage with the presenter back then was not always great) but if we just talk about the concept it was really funny , beautiful, great to see all artist together like a familly enjoy the show. now it's all the same & really flat.
But it's the same for Awards it's was way more fun before, like a big family not just a preformance for buisness, it was funny too etc ...
But now that Kpop is more known, a lot of new fans disrespect the old generation for nothing , a lot of them are Toxic & start war between fandom for nothing too . of course back then crazy toxic fans existed too but now it's WAY worst .
i'm from 2nd Gen & i saw the evolution 2nd Gen was the Happy funny creative one the one who have build almost everything for the new ones (of course it was not perfect at all ), 3rd gen was still ok but end 3rd gen debut 4th gen everything have start to be Way more Toxic & all about Buisness Buisness, Views etc ........ of course it was always important but it was not as toxic as it is now.
Idk .... i feel like Kpop is now not kpop.... The vibe kinda different.
For me, it was the OG running man, Invincible Youth, 2pm's wild bunny and other variety show, OG weekly idol, Idol Room, The Roommate, IGot7, Unnies Slam Dunk, Happy Together, and Super Juniors exploration of the human body.
I miss those genuinely funny Korean variety and reality shows that were actually entertaining. I still don't care if people didn't like the MCs from the OG weekly idol, but the OG weekly idol was hilarious to me and we got to see idols interact more comfortably back when the show was funny.
Nowadays idols try too hard to be funny. Shows just aren't entertaining anymore. I miss idols not giving a fuck. Now they HAVE to follow rules that make them look lame and awkward.
i had an idea kpop group playing other kpop group games. example other groups doing time to twice, other groups doing lenniverse by lessarafim, doing games done like itzy, ive, izone chu, dream team, airport english checkup
hmmm, i'd say shows that are the kpop group's own, such as EN-O'clock are still interesting and entertaining but the others, i agree, though, there still are variety shows that are funny, entertaining, and real.
New fans will never know the pain of [240p] X-Man Episode 097 (eng sub) 1/7.
I missed the old k-pop 😢
Invincible Youth was about as real as it got. It was so entertaining because it literally pulled female idols out of their shells and dumped them in a place to be farmers. It was great tourism for the village as well and I wish they continued doing it in different rural villages all across Korea. Could just keep playing the same games in different places with different idols and it would still feel brand new. Who doesn't want to watch their favourite idols chase chickens, shovel animal poop, plant seeds, harvest the biggest sweet potato, prep and consume traditional meals, build their own outdoor toilet, drive farming machines, compete for popularity in the village town?
I have to largely agree with Kookielit here. The only thing I want to add that while the down side of today is massive fandoms/social media means more demands on an idols image, the downside of the 1st and 2nd gen was the cut-throat environment idols were in, to the point where most saw each other as rivals rather than colleagues. Of course this wasn't true for everyone, but the industry was structures as such that put people against each other at the time. Thankfully some of that has lifted.
Today’s generation is hyper sensitive in all factors, and it is getting out of hand.
😂😂I was wondering why I haven’t heard much of variety shows w k idols. / I remmber they were so iconic specially loved strong heart ✌️
I see a lot of variety shows with idols today and I like that they have their own shows. I like that they don’t have to go on shows they don’t want to go on. I’m very confused about what people want from idols. Do they want them to be singers or tv personalities?
*tbf I don’t like the ones that involve interviews except Showtview(?). I’d rather something like New World, Sixth Sense or them hosting a dating show for example so maybe that’s why I don’t care as much
I think its more the idea of them being themselves more than the program itself. Because even in their own content sometimes they are too scared to talk. But I do gonna say that the programs were entertaining.
@@aliciacastillo506 I think it depends on the groups because I feel like the groups I follow are pretty comfortable.
@@nmoomoo yeah that's true. Stray Kids and Seventeen are a great example. But I think that for new groups they still need some host or help because it my be hard at first. But it all depends on their personalities and how comfortable they feel 🤷🏻♀️. So if they can be themselves the format doesn't matter. Or its at list my opinion 😅. Nice talk ✌🏻.
Yeah. I think 2nd and early 3rd gen shows were more natural because idols could be more natural and not affraid to tell some things where today they would be cancelled seconds after saying those things. Shows with close interactions between groups and between genders is basicly not an option. Basicly stupid netizens and toxic people in the fandom ruined variety shows.
og infinity challenge, 2 days & 1 night, runningman etc… I miss it so bad
The excess shipping culture and baseless assumptions have ruined the interactions idols used to have or could still have, it was so much better in the 2nd gen but now even if someone looks at the other they've already slept together regardless of their gender, group or relationship
The worst case is the Huening siblings, despite being real siblings people still dare to say that they are dating 😢😢
Lets be honest: Social Media and Cancel Culture RUINED EVERYTHING!
SNSD were the queens of variety shows on their era