Interview with BMW 1300GS DESIGNER | This is where it got it's LOOKS from
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- We discuss the looks and design language of the new BMW 1300GS with none other than its designer, Christian Hahn-Wörnle. In this episode, he explains to us the idea behind the radical change of the GS design and what purpose it serves technically.
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Will you like this new design in a year from now?
That is a design just a mother could love. 👎🏻
Nope, fashion is a fickle mistress.Had they made this new 1300 as a “ light weight competition bike “ to run along side the 1250 then perhaps,but a replacement for the 1250 this is not.Time will tell, but the trellis frame was part of its signature.And let’s be honest, for the sake of 12 kg’s… come on be honest bmw, it’s a far cheaper bike to produce, and it’s plain for all discerning eyes to see.
As for the head light…. Yuk
great machine & light makes right , lighter is better
I prefer this look to that of the older GS models
You are the first one that I see in a video talking to a person who was in the design team of this bike. Sadly Christian could not finish explaining about the RT and the new 1300cc engine.
This is such phenomenal content. Being able to hear the inspiration from the lead designer himself, is just such a phenomenal gift.
Except for his inspiration is rubbish. Like my inspiration for putting rubbish bins on the roof of my house. Not all inspiration is good. Hearing his BS is not a gift. We are hearing how he made the GS look like every other Asian bike of the day. Ugly and false marketing on this bike. No center stand, lower pipe, no hand rails, and they charge you for things that were included on the other models.
What a fantastic video! You blew the other channels out of the water with this! You asked intelligent instead of sycophantic questions and we all now know the “truth” about the design. It’s interesting that bikes still have long development times, like cars used to 15-20 years ago.
I miss your videos. Your channel was the best for recent news on motorcycles.
What happen ?
I watched a video about a month ago showing this new version. Did not like it at all. Just my opinion. One week later, I purchased my dream bike, 2023 R 1250 GS. Just returned from a trip to the Great Smoky Mountains, Tennessee, North Carolina. Could not have enjoyed the ride any better. Now I fully understand why the GS is so popular. Only kicking myself for not getting her sooner. 😂
The first thought I had on seeing the “X” headlight is it’s like the side of the WWII Jerry can. I’m probably wrong, but it looks like it to me.
*He did a superb job*
This is going to sell even faster than its predecessors.
your video is completely compelling… you asked good questions
Absolutely the best R1300GS content I have seen to date. Well done.
New design looks way better and aiming for lower weight seems like the right place to be coming from. Nice to hear some explanations from the actual designer. Especially when he talked about symmetry, and aiming for that but only compromising for practical reasons, function over form. I bet it drives him nuts that he can't make the cylinders directly opposing. Too bad they're not making a new RT yet, I bet the next one will be hot.
Congrats on interviewing the designer himself, he is responsible not only for the ''styling'' but also for the whole packaging and the overall technical negotiation to make a certain style or function possible. It is clear that form follows function and it is tough to make an aesthetic philosophy overcome so many variables but overall the bike seems to look sensibly proportioned and honor the brand identity with the twist to contemporary ''fashionables''...but to make an (almost) perfect motorcycle and fail to position the ''x'' lower wings to make sense or make them distinct from the matrix led....not to look like a ''flying'' sticker...such a pitty man... Can't wait for the next facelift....it is such an easy fix...
Good honest answers from the BMW man. Well done him. 👍Still can't make my mind up over it yet.
Ask him why no full liquid cooling and no automatic valve adjustments like Harley (of all people) has had for years? Why no Apple car play like Honda has been doing for years?
That bloke parking in front of the camera... priceless. 😆
I bet when you ride this new 1300... this time you can wheelie it.😉
Apparently you can wheelie this one even in 3rd gear. TESTED! Just not by me…. :)))
@@LongWayHome Without the clutch?
Great video, glad you left that “EICMA” moment in!
That’s exactly what it’s like at EICMA :)))) gotta bring a bodyguard there
@@LongWayHome was Dave filming? Poor Dave, most underrated camera man on RUclips!
@@pistolpete6321 You know Dave's not allowed out of the country.... @RacingandAdventure was :)))
What a wonderful piece of journalism. Im guessing the photo bomber was Dave. Hope you're both well.
Love the details of the new ride... And Why!
Those who owned 1200/1250 GS previously were also attracted by the rugged looks.
It surely looks commanding and rather intimidating.
With all the luggage, it looked mean and ready for war...almost😂.
The new one kinda softie. Hope it grows on me...meanwhile I ll still be playing with my lovely 2021 BMW R1250 GS Rally...
He was a little nervous, it seems he heard a lot of whining lately.When BMW board see the numbers dropping (because they will drop) all of what he is saying it will not having any matter.You forgot to ask him about the handle bar switch illumination.
Nice yob,, you did the most informative and tehnical explanations among all videos until now and most important with relevant person.. Thank's!
If it is lighter, smaller, sportier, more agile, I am all for it. It still keeps the old Boxer, comfort, safety, and grunty torque.
That was great. Haven’t seen any videos with the changes being explained as to why and why not.
You got the best camera angle on it, this bike looks awesome from this angle, so much more compact than the 1250, it's as if a sleek new middleweight had a boxer motor crammed into it.
Awesome bike. Great to hear it was so very well thought out. Good interview by the way. Thanks, Simon, Australia
Why is no one asking about the disappearance of the rear light? From a road safety point of view I think they have made a big mistake. Look how many owners are changing the rear light configuration on the S1000XR and the GS. Jesus you spend a ton of money buying the bike and then spend even more on improving the rear light for safety.
The new Himalayan appears to be the same!
It really is ridiculous. I get that the radar cruise unit has to be in a certain place and BMW wants to save weight but a proper, centrally-mounted rear light is a must on any motorcycle. Still, I guess Weiser Technik are pretty happy about it 😊
it is visible enough. Are you riding in fog and in winter that you worry so much? Get a hi viz vest then!@@MH-xd2nd
best review idea so far. Talking with those that actually build the bike.
Excellent that was, very insightful.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Sure, the bike is lighter, but it’s not better. Still the worst GPS, the only bike without backlit controls, and now plastic panniers. No one is saying that the stamped frame is stronger. It appears as though BMW is chasing the competition instead of producing the best tourer for any conditions. You have saved me money, because I’ll continue to ride my GS1250
Great chat!
👏 this is the most informative video on the new GS, straight from the horse’s mouth. Thank you 🙏
Wow very good scoop. Now I understand why the design changed so drastically
Well, at least we know who to blame.
I think he has done a great job!
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@@teamgas I would venture to guess you don’t ride a GS? Most of the people that like the new design are looking over the fence from a different bike and most of the people that don’t are those that have 1200s and 1250s. Nothing wrong either way, just seems like that’s the way it’s divided.
@@OneManTrail I have ridden and like the look of the 1250, I also like the look of the 1300. You are correct I don’t own one.
I don’t think liking the looks of a bike changes depending on if you own one or not?
@@OneManTrail I think that is an accurate assessment. I come from a sport touring background, currently own an RT, and have never owned a GS. I've always found past GSs to be quite ugly, and this new one is a vast improvement imo.
Old Christian realised too late that he'd let the cat out of the bag on that last question when you pointed out that the drawing was before the 1250 was released.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the boardrooms of these big companies.
I could see this being my next bike.
To speak with the designer about tech details and design philosophy is so cool. I am debating a gold wing or the GS as my next purchase. Comfort, power and distance are priorities and both bikes are great. Maybe when the adventure model is released? Damn BMW your bike is beautiful. Cheers LWH.
Like it. Fantastic insight into the logic behind the changes. Thank you.
Excellent video, first one I've seen that decently answered how a lot of the new 1300GS came about. It was good to hear the philosophy of how the package and design evolved, some of it being driven by legislation (ie headlamp homologation) Of course that's irrelevant to all the YT desktop designers and engineers who just know THEY would have done it so much better......
Obviously nothing is completely perfect ( a thin strip LED brakelight above the rear radar housing rather than integrated in indicators anyone?? ) and some stuff a compromise such as the carryover TFT due to space. Thank you, a lot of my questions answered in a handful of minutes, well done.
Pragmatic design philosophy! Love it!
Love the look one your face when you had the camera interruption, LMAO!
Looks like Honda got the 2012 VFR1200X design right from the start.
I regretted selling my 1200GS, until this popped up. It's on my radar!
OK-OK, but where is the 1300 GS in the video??! All I see is a funny looking Suzuki V-Strom!
I wish you would spoken about that damper plate underneath the Handlebars, which works with the Spring up front.
BMW Motorad has new senior management. Let's hope they like this product and that this chap gets to keep his job. I would like to know how much they have reduced the cost of manufacture. This bike will have to grow on me and earn its reputation.
the work as a team, not a one man band. Why aren't you interested in how much they invested in a new bike?
@@motolover5697 I was a BMW fan boy and have visited their Munich operation and fantastic museum. Unfortunately I'm still bruised after buying a new 5 Series and learning that the cost reduction people at BMW had lowered the quality and fitted cheap engine parts. The car was load of junk compared to the great engineering they used to produce and the customer support wasn't there. So, the rose tinted spectacles are well and truly off for me now regarding new world quality. The Germans taught the world how to build great cars, sadly the Americans taught them to build in obsolescence. They are still a fantastic driving experience, it's just the reliability and cost of ownership issue of Bring Money WithYa that I struggle with. I hope that answers you question.
Great interview. I am glad you asked about the RT also. I wish you questioned him about the turn signals in the handgrips as they will break easily in a fall and need to be replaced ($$$).
They are not on the Trophy version. You can pick them in the BMW configurator if you want.
@@LongWayHome Thank you. 😊
@@LongWayHome Non handgrip signals are part of the enduro package and can be had with any color.
Reliable sources indicate that an R 1300 RT is coming in 2025, carrying the same new powertrain as the 1300 GS, and the chassis being redesigned along similar lines.
I loved the asymmetrical look. To me it looked a little postapocalyptic. The new one will grow on me 🙂
Awesome content ❤️
Best 1300gs vid so far!!😂
Nice job on the interview!
You failed to ask him when will be the launching of 1300 GS Adventure.
It'll be in 2024 for the 2025 model year.
Hi dude, I haven't seen any new content from your chanel for a while so are some changes made or something else.. I appreciate your work wery much. Regards
Hi, where is the GSA? Or is it going to be a R1300GSA!?
7:06 The look you gave that guy … 😂😂😂
Great interview!
As a complete non ADV person and someone who considered the GS to be one of the ugliest bikes ever made, I am liking the redesign and craftsmanship of this new version. It's a tour de force of what the Germans are really good at.
Great way of putting it. The GS has always been about function over form, and in this case, they came up with a redesign that didn't need to sacrifice form, which is something that can't be said about past designs. Seasoned adv riders likely have an emotional attachment to the older, more barebones and "rugged" look. But for those of us who come from a non-adv background, the new bike looks better in every way.
So in short they have managed to attract people that will not buy one while pushing many away that would have considered an upgrade for their 1250? Not exactly a good business plan.
I was going to buy the 30L version when it comes out… if this is how it looks I think I will give it a miss, hopefully that version comes out with a better look hopefully.
@@bens5186 BMW is indeed trying to expand the GS customer base beyond the existing group of GS buyers. If non-adv folks are attracted to the 1300 GS, why would they not buy one? I already have a deposit down on one myself.
And isn't adv riding primarily about function over form anyway? Even if you consider the 1300 uglier, functionally, the 1300 is better than the 1250 in pretty much every way.
@@derache123 The people commenting that like the new look are by their own admission “not adventure riders” they are mostly from sport bike backgrounds.
I honestly do not see ANYTHING better from a functionality point of view. The Air filter is harder to change, requiring crash bar removal possibly. This will be a treat when de-watering the bike after a drop in a water crossing.
The headlight will be harder to cover with stone protection.
The fuel capacity is down on this model so will likely be down even more on the adventure variant (when/if it arrives).
The bike looks a lot harder to fit soft luggage to. (100% required for dirt).
Unless you are only riding this to the local cafe to sip lattes it appears to be a downgrade in every way with exception to the quick-shifter which apparently works well now.
Time will tell when these start rolling around in the BMW enduro safari’s. I honestly think they have lost their way…
@@bens5186 Yes, you're absolutely right. I am a sport touring rider. I have no plans to ride on the dirt, and I have put a deposit down on a 1300 GS.
The reality is that the vast majority of GSs are used as sport touring bikes, or I suppose as you put it, "riding to the local cafes to sip lattes" if the local cafe is the Sierra Nevadas, and the lattes are the mountain passes. And for sport touring riding, the new GS is absolutely better than the old one.
I don't care about changing the air filter after a water crossing, nor do I care about mounting soft luggage. I do however care about a smoother and more powerful engine/gearbox, lighter weight, and an electrically adjustable windscreen, just like I have on my RT. If I ever do decide to pursue adv riding, I'll do so on a middleweight such as an F 900 GS or Aprilia Tuono. That is the direction the offroad-oriented adv market is headed, and BMW knows it.
Love the walk on
You didn’t ask about back lit switchgear and Carplay!
Heard on another review site that the reason behind the "New headlight" was due to changes in the laws stating that adjustable / tracking headlights must be centered on the bike. I heard his explanation as to why BMW did what they did, but did you ever cover the changes in laws with them?
I really like what they did with the new 1300 GS.
My concerned to the designer is why they installed small break light,its not visible behind you,it should be installed brightest stop light.😢😢
I own a 2003 and a 2020GSA. My only concern is the level of quality drop in terms of materials used. I have rust and corrosion on a 3yr old bike where there is none on a 20yr old one. Hopefully that sort of things also improved but i fear not.
Great vid
How did you manage to get an interview with him? before all the big journalists?
Mulțumim!
People are hating on the new look because it looks modern and sporty. It looks more like a street bike. I personally like the new look but I’m confused with having the turn signals on the hand guard.
Yes agree bike design very well, you should have asked one more question how about if some one don't want radar at back, front, up down can we get such package ? Need to keep rider to ride, you sit at back and enjoy😊
Yes, no radar on the trophy
@@LongWayHome Radar can be had on any of the colors, but if you don't get radar, you still have the plastic fascia pieces so it still looks ugly.
Please ask him to give us a great rear light that is connected to the rear facing radar. I want it to strobe the rear brake light if I have a tailgater or if someone approaches me too fast from the rear. Make it look cool too!
Get a Billie brake light from clearwater, exactly what you are looking for. Have one on my 1200 and plan to put it on the 1300.
At least now I know why it looks ugly. Thanks for the amazing content!
So… will the 30l version have a better looking front end? a simple outer ring on the front light would have looked a lot better than the X. The other thing a ring DRT would have done is allow simple elegant perspex covers to be made to protect the package. Its needlessly large and complex. I guess you can just 3D print a cover and black out the stupid X configuration.
I am sure someone will come up with an aftermarket replacement headlight that will use the same amount of space with a spotlight built in.
BMW does so much to promote ADV lifestyle and I don’t see this coming from Other companies
the others are just followers. I wonder what will they do now, when so many copied the design from a 1200 and 1250?
How about that engine noise ?
The video could have been a lot shorter had the designer been direct and stated that BMW wanted to cut corners regarding cost, appeal to a broader market, and ultimately make even more money,
Nothing wrong with making money. They deserve it, it's a great bike. Fact is price has only gone up 3.6% per year over my 1200 LC bike fully loaded and the 1300 has many more features. So in reality the 1300 is quite a good value at least in comparison to the 1200 LC.
Does that really need to be said though? Is that not what every company aims to do when they develop a new product?
@@derache123I guess not. It is just business as usual. Now the bikes from all manufacturers look cheap. In the past, BMW was a standout as far as fit & finish. Now they are just part of the pack.
You have written the most accurate explanation of this new bike.
Your channel came alive right after gs1300 release? why :)
Got bored of doing nothing :D Filmed a lot of bikes this year, didn't edit yet, but they are coming.
The only thing I don’t like is the headlight.
Would be nice to see faces of all members of theit team, so we would know who destroyed GS motorcycle line...
as a r1250gs owner 2023 i cant see a reason to so called upgrade to this im sure its a great bike its not enough in my opinion
Dana whiteeee ask why we dont have carplay yet!!!!
The fact that the headlight has to be justified proves they got it wrong
Get him fired!!Asap!He completely f..ked up😡
I like the weight reduction but it's still too heavy and expensive.
Besides, I disagree with many design choices. The headlight and all the front are awful and over complicated. The tail is too short and misses a rack, but then needs a stick to hold the plate. The exhaust could have been integrated so that it doesn't take space from the cases or gets damaged if it falls. The turning lights in the handguards could have been a good idea if done in a more robust way. They could make a gas tank like KTM, low and resistant against falls, so that we wouldn't need bars that add a few kg. Etc.
I'm sure it's a great bike to ride, but I'd feel out of love if I saw it in my garage.
That's the enduro rack. Regular rack is much bigger.
me likey.. Always appreciated the big rhynos, but never wanted one for myself..
Too tall, too bulky, and my frame is a bit too low.. just like the boxer engine :D.
But now... I can really say that I'm eyeing one for next year, it's that nice.. And being so much more compact, I can't wait to test one for next season.
If you get a photo of the 1400 how about sending it to me?
I guess a R1300R with these goodies won't come until 2026?
The 1300 redesign is a direct response to the Multistrada. They had to compete and I think other than the weird headlight they did a fine job.
No it isn't. Bmw has a continuous design agenda, to be able to continuously intraduce new models and maintain their market share.
yeap ducati has been eating at their marketshare and has a much more desireable age demographic that BMW wants a piece of. However some of us old farts like the cushy ride of the old GS. Hope that hasn't changed much.
We loved the 1250 GS ?? So we completely changed it ?? Made the headlight to look like “Predators Mouth” ugly and made the seat even worse !! Somebody decided to think that NEW is automatically better ,, no matter how bad it is !!
Make the bike lighter - use more plastic!
I don’t like this style. Now it just looks like bike’s that are $10k less in price. Give me the 1250 instead.
You're in luck then, the 1250 is still for sale and many dealers are offering incentives and discounts on them. Cheap used ones will also be on the market en masse once the 1300 starts showing up in dealerships.
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You need to asked about the GSA😂😂😂 insisting 😂😂😂more
wow long time no watchy watchy
Did you clicky clicky? :)))))
LoLoL havent seen the notifications ill check to make sure ive got em on @@LongWayHome
Didn't fall for that one. well spoken, avoiding all difficult questions, form over function, or costs. I didn't believe a word of it
It looks like a Honda Hornet.
He should take limp mode out of the design, it ruined many trips.
Looks like a Honda NC750x
BMW designed great bike but get tired when they got to Headlight!
IQ test on the trespasser…
I’m surprised no-one has noticed that the front end is significantly lower - meaning for 1250 levels of weather protection (not on the Trophy) BMW has had to include a ton of clear plastic winglets. It just looks like an afterthought, and the large square plastic block containing the dash, adaptive cruise and headlight now sticks up at the front of the bike like a very sore thumb. It’s a design mess, looks visually unbalanced and makes it looks like an almost naked bike. The rear of the bike, with the sharply upswept panels, just doesn’t work for a GS. It’s ugly and bloated even though it is physically shorter (I’ve seen one in person and it is NOT smaller, just the fairings are lower and narrower).
So in summary, they chose functionality over design, even if the end product looks awful. I guess Ducati always chooses design over functionality!
Why not android car? ... maybe on the 1350
It's good to put a name and a face to the guy we should blame for this horrendous design.
Sorry dear BMW - R1250GS looks better than the 1300. If this bike did not have a label I doubt if we would have guessed this is a GS.