I hope they adress this because this SnS has the potential for its best iteration imo. The triangle and circle combo have value. Roundslash is decent, spinning reaper rewards completing combo strings. Perfect guard makes block rewarding and both sliding and advancing slash are okay. Charged chop shouldn't be the best dps but they could fix that by buffing PR3 and maybe even power up it's followups. Giving charged chop some utility like higher rate of inflicting wounds would be cool too imo so it has some identity beyond being another high commitment damage option. Also, delete guard slash.Just give me rising out of block.
@@naota909 Right, so it seems like they removed guard rising slash so that you CAN'T instantly follow up with charged chop. They should have reworked so you can't get charged chop from rising and instead make it after spinning only, since it's so strong and they want us to use new finishers etc. This new balancing feels like FFXIV where they just give every class a new combo ender to build up towards except some weapons have better ones and ways to access theirs than others lmfao
@@jkreincarnation yeah i mean charged chop out of any hit is already insanely easily accessible especially since vanilla chop / rising are some of the fastest moves in the game
I'm very happy the basic Y(triangle) combo's DPS is so close behind the other combos because I really love the maneuverability with it, especially in focus mode. You're encouraged to use it frequently. I was expecting the damage to be mediocre considering its versatility. I trust that final rush will be properly tuned so that there is a situation where it's optimal. But I'm surprised they made it so weak that there's currently no reason to use such a high commitment move, considering it's already been in 2 games and they should have found a good sweetspot by now even if this is a beta.
Damn this confirms my fears, perfect rush being pointless takes out a decent chunk of the SnS moveset.. PR was also super satisfying to do. Charged Chop would still have a use even if PR did better dps so I don't see why they did that. Hopefully it changes in the full game.
PR hits just don't do enough damage. While I'm fine with the post-MHW PR1 nerf, they need to increase the dmg for PR3 so that the dmg is backloaded in the combo and justifies it
are u sure just because a move isnt the highest dps it makes a move "useless"? unless you are a speedrunner and can stun lock the monster, the chances are every move your weapon has will be the best move at a certain situation
it felt like there was too much commitment to the move with so much going on in the demo. often a monster would just sidestep or get up from its knockdown during the last part of my PR and id just whiff. Gotta say the hit boxes feel super tight, often attacks or dodges missing by a step in one direction or another.
Excellent analysis! Can you analyze B combo (and Y combo) into spinning reaper into powered up charged chop? How does it compare to infinite chop spam?
Worth noting that we still don't know about if any of these attacks have elemental mv differences as well, the final version's optimal combo may be different with element
Absolutely, and the MV are likely to change in the final version (and during the life of the game). That said, usually multi hit attacks are good for elemental and charged chop is a multi-hit, so I expect it to remain a very strong option for an element build.
Very curious the optimal damage of lance now that the speed of mid and high thrust are different, and i think mid thrust even has more damage for one of the hits?
Nice micheal, great stuff. I was wondering if perhaps a "special attack" has more MV on wounds and that is what sets perfect rush apart. PR1 also has movement (after a dodge) so it can be used to get in a couple good MV hits where your other combos would still be on the low end of MV. Also, did you see how fast we chan chop with Y after using a B chop? Its dual blades fast, like faster than ive ever seen it. I think they gave our YBYB combos a little love there.
A lot of people are saying the switch axe is bad because the speedrun times are so long, I wonder how its dps compared to other weapons or if we're just missing the highest dps combos
no b/c u need all 3 buffs to test damage and you can only get red buff from training barrel can't test on real monster b/c hit zone values all over the place need to wait for full release for training dummy to be released
ruclips.net/video/FylA1esgn-A/видео.htmlsi=rCpZDKzx0-rFHg0K This vid shows best attack is actually shield attacks with spinning reaper. Didn't know wilds SnS has that much KO power. He did Rey Dau in only 5min+ mark (without boulders)
So the best dps is chop/cc... Chop is the basic ligth attack if i remember correctly. Thar kinda disappointing... Il like the combo As/heavy attack combo into CC. Very versatile since you can As for small, heavy combo for medium opening and total for large/topple opening
@monsieurglu no Chop, Charge Chop, Rising Slash, Cc, Rs, Cc, Rs You only Chop to start the combo you could use the circle Slash for more damage than Chop to start as well
@@ExSoldier101 you don't actually charge 'charged chop' it automatically does a little more dmg after 4th hit in Y combo, 3rd hit in B combo, or after PR2 or the Spinning Reaper after PR2.
ruclips.net/video/FylA1esgn-A/видео.htmlsi=rCpZDKzx0-rFHg0K This vid shows best attack is actually shield attacks with spinning reaper. Didn't know wilds SnS has that much KO power. He did Rey Dau in only 5min+ mark (without boulders)
Damn this might be controversial but i really do miss OP Perfect Rush lol. Those damage numbers in Iceborn gave me so much dopamine 😂
I hope they adress this because this SnS has the potential for its best iteration imo. The triangle and circle combo have value. Roundslash is decent, spinning reaper rewards completing combo strings. Perfect guard makes block rewarding and both sliding and advancing slash are okay.
Charged chop shouldn't be the best dps but they could fix that by buffing PR3 and maybe even power up it's followups. Giving charged chop some utility like higher rate of inflicting wounds would be cool too imo so it has some identity beyond being another high commitment damage option. Also, delete guard slash.Just give me rising out of block.
I pretty much said the same thing in a different comment reply
rising out of block seems a bit strong imo
@@naota909 Right, so it seems like they removed guard rising slash so that you CAN'T instantly follow up with charged chop. They should have reworked so you can't get charged chop from rising and instead make it after spinning only, since it's so strong and they want us to use new finishers etc. This new balancing feels like FFXIV where they just give every class a new combo ender to build up towards except some weapons have better ones and ways to access theirs than others lmfao
@@jkreincarnation yeah i mean charged chop out of any hit is already insanely easily accessible especially since vanilla chop / rising are some of the fastest moves in the game
I'm very happy the basic Y(triangle) combo's DPS is so close behind the other combos because I really love the maneuverability with it, especially in focus mode. You're encouraged to use it frequently. I was expecting the damage to be mediocre considering its versatility.
I trust that final rush will be properly tuned so that there is a situation where it's optimal. But I'm surprised they made it so weak that there's currently no reason to use such a high commitment move, considering it's already been in 2 games and they should have found a good sweetspot by now even if this is a beta.
Damn dudes already started the MV breakdowns, gonna be prepped well for full release thanks to you.
Damn this confirms my fears, perfect rush being pointless takes out a decent chunk of the SnS moveset.. PR was also super satisfying to do. Charged Chop would still have a use even if PR did better dps so I don't see why they did that. Hopefully it changes in the full game.
PR hits just don't do enough damage.
While I'm fine with the post-MHW PR1 nerf, they need to increase the dmg for PR3 so that the dmg is backloaded in the combo and justifies it
Maybe the Elemental MVs on Perfect have insane multipliers, and we won't know until we get the full game
are u sure just because a move isnt the highest dps it makes a move "useless"? unless you are a speedrunner and can stun lock the monster, the chances are every move your weapon has will be the best move at a certain situation
it felt like there was too much commitment to the move with so much going on in the demo. often a monster would just sidestep or get up from its knockdown during the last part of my PR and id just whiff. Gotta say the hit boxes feel super tight, often attacks or dodges missing by a step in one direction or another.
@@lchn12345678 needs to have a value offering: utility, movement, hit rate, range, or damage.
Excellent analysis! Can you analyze B combo (and Y combo) into spinning reaper into powered up charged chop? How does it compare to infinite chop spam?
My guess is it's slightly worse but viable.
how about? B combo -> SR -> charge chop (buffed) can you calculate that?
is the charged chop rising loop better dps than doing B combo into the powered up charged chop?
Worth noting that we still don't know about if any of these attacks have elemental mv differences as well, the final version's optimal combo may be different with element
Absolutely, and the MV are likely to change in the final version (and during the life of the game). That said, usually multi hit attacks are good for elemental and charged chop is a multi-hit, so I expect it to remain a very strong option for an element build.
Charged chop extra hits don't spend sharpness,
So there's definitely something different in how it will scale in dmg
Very curious the optimal damage of lance now that the speed of mid and high thrust are different, and i think mid thrust even has more damage for one of the hits?
Nice micheal, great stuff.
I was wondering if perhaps a "special attack" has more MV on wounds and that is what sets perfect rush apart.
PR1 also has movement (after a dodge) so it can be used to get in a couple good MV hits where your other combos would still be on the low end of MV.
Also, did you see how fast we chan chop with Y after using a B chop? Its dual blades fast, like faster than ive ever seen it. I think they gave our YBYB combos a little love there.
Shield Bash combo?
No.
I just hope sns won’t just be charged chop spaam, would make it rly boring
A lot of people are saying the switch axe is bad because the speedrun times are so long, I wonder how its dps compared to other weapons or if we're just missing the highest dps combos
Can you do IG combo dps next?
no b/c u need all 3 buffs to test damage and you can only get red buff from training barrel
can't test on real monster b/c hit zone values all over the place
need to wait for full release for training dummy to be released
You can finish the PR2 with a spinning reaper into powered up CC, what about that dps?
Would be sad if just spamming CC is the way to go.
That's on line 19 of the sheet, 37 DPS which is worse than a lot of the other options still unfortunately
Unfortunately powered up CC isn't *that* much stronger
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But Perfect Rush make more wound wouldn't it ?
idk does it? no clear results from my testing
ruclips.net/video/FylA1esgn-A/видео.htmlsi=rCpZDKzx0-rFHg0K
This vid shows best attack is actually shield attacks with spinning reaper. Didn't know wilds SnS has that much KO power.
He did Rey Dau in only 5min+ mark (without boulders)
So the best dps is chop/cc...
Chop is the basic ligth attack if i remember correctly.
Thar kinda disappointing...
Il like the combo
As/heavy attack combo into CC.
Very versatile since you can As for small, heavy combo for medium opening and total for large/topple opening
@monsieurglu no Chop, Charge Chop, Rising Slash, Cc, Rs, Cc, Rs
You only Chop to start the combo you could use the circle Slash for more damage than Chop to start as well
Is it holding charge chop or just tapping it in the combo?
@@ExSoldier101 tap
@@ExSoldier101 you don't actually charge 'charged chop' it automatically does a little more dmg after 4th hit in Y combo, 3rd hit in B combo, or after PR2 or the Spinning Reaper after PR2.
ruclips.net/video/FylA1esgn-A/видео.htmlsi=rCpZDKzx0-rFHg0K
This vid shows best attack is actually shield attacks with spinning reaper. Didn't know wilds SnS has that much KO power.
He did Rey Dau in only 5min+ mark (without boulders)
The SnS combo that does the most damage is going to the tent and changing to Bow... RIP SnS 😢
no no, the SnS combo that does the most damage is rockfall double barrel bomb into rockfall, cmon now. 😆