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Daemon Fulgrim has actually been depicted as a model... in Epic 2nd Edition.
I was about to post this.
Alongside Magnus the blue
@@urgereturnz6540And reaper Mortarion. Honestly I like Epic Mortarion more than the big 40k one
@@skeeter5076 In fact for the longest time Epic was the ONLY way you saw the Daemon Primarches and it included the main four (Magnus, Angron, Motarion, Fulgrim).
Just so folks know what we're talking about: wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/a/a9/FulgrimEpic.jpg/400px-FulgrimEpic.jpg
I don't think resin Fulgrim means we won't get a plastic one, the forge world character series are a lot more "realistic" than the 40k plastic ones as they tend to be more cartoonish you can see this especially with Angrons new model
I really hope the new 40k Fulgrim More depraved after 10 000 years of debauchery. the horus heresy daemon fulgrim is perfection and 40k is closer to the monster he really is. And for bonus if you like sexy snake model you could play it 40k
We got two Lion in FW Resin and GW Plastic. They were only about a year or so apart. I'm also fully expecting resin Magnus, Mortarian, Angron and maybe Perty in the new run of "Ascended" Primarchs. So this doesn't exclude the 40k option.
As far as this fiscal year is concerned, we might get 40k rules for the FW model. But we are certainly not going to get a second Fulgrim SKU release from GW until next year, or else it'd cannibalize sales for this FW product launch (which needs to recoup its costs before the next report to shareholders).
@@Gabdube I don't know why anyone would be expecting him now anyways. Look at the gaps between Magnus/Mortarian/Angron. We just got Angron months ago. So apply the Morty>Angron gap and were not getting another traitor Primarch until late 2025 at the earliest.
I figured Slaanesh was doomed back during the start of AOS when Archaon's dragon only had 3 heads
A plastic Fulgrim will likley still happen, just as a new resin angron, magnus, and mortarion will be released. Similar to how there used to be resin and plastic greater demons
yes and no , problem here is weird cognitive disonance from 40k players everyone who paid atention knee a resin haresy pr8march was going be revealed it was on haresys time line same as the mk armors and dreadnought only thing wasnt concirmed ehat which primarch and they have plans for a actual full acended fulgr8m for 40k when they do the emperor children codex which also if paying atention anyone would know that wont be till after all the other codexes that been anounced
It seems pretty crazy that GW are going to double up on everything.... that said, I tend to prefer FW's stab at the Primarchs more than GW's, so not the worst thing in the world to have both.
Love Dave's little lore videos, i could just listen to him talk for hours while i paint
Tabletop Time loves your little comments
So the material is perfect for highly detailed models, but more fragile and expensive af
Well... At least it fits the character lol
My idea: 40k fulgrim will not come out until this fulgrim hit the store, otherwise 40k version will steal all the attention
Thats cynical. I like it
Lol shows how lottle 40k players actualy listen to what gw state
They wont release a 40k fulgr8m till they release a codex for emperor children which wont come till the ano7nced mainline codexes have been released it definitly isnt being anounced anytime soon you have had your fingers in your ears to think that this fulgrim would been 40kcwhen they stated a resin haresy primarch was going be ano7nced
@@TabletopTime Not necessarily there, having money put into the kit does set up other issues with direct competition or waste between their own company.
At the same time, this might also be something of a misdirect because Fulgrim is a focus of a lot of players while they might be working on something else there.
Having something else planned for the short term for 40K is just like them there,
@@demonic_myst4503 Agreed, in fact being very cynical, this is a model to 'test the waters' and see how popular a plastic Fulgrim would be and whether they should release a 'Codex: Emperor's Children'. Slaanesh has always been the 'red headed stepchild' of the Chaos Gods with often getting the least amount of focus due to the sexual nature of the themes surrounding it. Even in the Warhammer MMO they almost completely removed anything Slaanesh related beyond including Daemonettes...
Heck remember when, for a period, GW basically tried to completely bury Slaanesh as a thing? Like for a while they tried to be a more 'kid focused' (like releasing 'kid friendly' novel series etc.), they completely removed Slaanesh as an entity from Age of Sigmar etc. It was only after a change in leadership that they bought them back and we've seen them switch to a more 'adult collectors' focus.
I think since they are doing all of the primarchs again in HH, they did Fulgrim first as a feeler to see how the user base would react to it. If the rumors are true, and he's supposed to make an appearance at the end of 10th, he's already being designed and tested now. It's a free way to get buzz going for EC.
I think that because Forge world have been retiring a lot of their medium-large kits they probably wanted something new in that size range to fill the gap left behind. I also think that a daemon Lorgar or Perturabo would've been far more appropriate because their chances of coming to 40k are far lower.
I could see daemon Lorgar coming to 40k. Hell I would love a codex for word bearers and would easily drop so much money on new word bearers models.
FW: ''Here is a road map for the next few months that includes a corrupted resin traitor primarch for the Horus Heresy to be announced at this time period.''
*FW Does exactly that*
40k players: ''We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed and we've been quite possibly bamboozled.''
This was basically chat/the community reaction:
Fulgrim announced 🤯
30k only 😬
Resin 🤬
Then the "No 40K rules"
Only the die hard 40 k players gave a shit to be mad its apart the primerch series their all resin haresy models
This was also on the haresy roadmao anyone who paid any atention to games workshops activities kenw this was going be haresy and resin the roadmao outright stated a resin primarch for haresy would be revealed alongside the nee armor mk and dreadnought
@@demonic_myst4503typo god
Pretty sure, that plastic Flugrim will come rather soon, but only after the 40k EC fans have bought the expensive resin modell. Then they can announce the plastic modell and people will buy a second Fulgrim. GW will be like: stonks 📈
Ya know what? I think that we would've had this problem regardless of when FW released Fulgrim if they didn't hold off until the Plastic Emperor's Children came out. Since we don't know when that's coming out, if ever, FW might've just decided to bite the bullet and release Fulgrim now.
The warhammer communities reaction to GW models sounds like Pokémon communities reaction to anything
Injection molded plastic "high initial tooling costs" could be off set by actually selling the product.
But everything seems to be limited run and either out of stock or never to be reproduced.
If your product sells out in minutes you need to be firing someone. I dont know why but they simply dont produce enough stock.
I think its because they produce the kits in their england factory and its just beyond capacity. They need to build a new location. Dont outsource. Keep it local and strong for the UK, but build more output!
@@TabletopTimethey tried outsourcing plastics to China 10 or so years back, and they were terrible. QC went out the window.
They do need to increase their current facility though.
He has been a model before, as an Epic 40K model that is so cute.
I think one of the biggest key differences between Horus Heresy and 40K is the artistic style of the models. All Horus Heresy models look somewhat more realistic, even their demons. So the Fulgrim here matches that.
Far right theory: They haven’t released a plastic Fulgrim model yet because they are trying to figure out a way to bring him back as a loyalist Primarch.
Thats easy - Trazyn has a perfect clone of Fulgrim in stasis that Fabius Bile made. Handwave him free and he is loyal and just. He shares the memories of Fulgrim, minus the demon corruption, he feels only debt and regret for his originals mistakes and seeks to fix them. But Fabulous Bill sold him for some geneseed.
@@TabletopTimebut the clones only have the physical bodies of the Primarchs, not the warp stuff within, so they’re incomplete.
@@LB-ru4xswasn’t that part of the big deal though was that the fulgrim clone was 1 to 1?
@@LB-ru4xshave Clonegrim lead a band of 30k Loyalist Emperor's Children also in Trazyn's vault to steal Fulgrim's soul back from the Pride of the Emperor.
Because a Mirror Cracked is garbage.
@@DRTisKINGimagine him going to Istvann V finding the purple shattered remains along with some thousand sons armour, then realising what fulgrim did to rylanor. Then we have reasons for daemon to come back
GW doesn't always make sense, but it does try to make cents...
Also as a comparison the Blood Bowl rumors were spot on. Took almost a year between releases, but we did get a Vampire team with a Big Guy
Just before you said resin I was saying in my head "the only thing thatll stop me buying it is if its resin" but lately with forgeworld they arent finishing the 3d printed masters and leaving very ibvious layer lines on very expensive minis
I think the big thing causing anger is just it being Forge World in general. If you look at announcements for The Old World people are angry there too. The community just for the most part doesn't want Forge World stuff.
Rumours can be a lot of fun, but as you say, one has to take them with a grain of salt.
I was really worried that the soap "box" was going to explode!
I’m just happy my Twitch chat entry made it into a TableTop Time video 😂❤
I couldn't help but notice Dave's arm getting covered more and more in that snowy flock 😂
Take it as it comes, it's a fun hobby regardless of new releases. Existing stuff is awesome 😉
I have a playlist of your lore videos like this to listen to while working in class - and even though I can't really have an opinion on releases either way - it's interesting to hear from mega fans.
I dont paint a *lot* of warhammer, but Ive had several resin D&D minis meet their crumbeled fate from falling off my desk, or even just tipping over. I love them for their details and beauty, and hate them for how clumsy I can be. While I completely understand my accidents arent anyone else's fault, I definitely see the anxiety around a really big, resin model.
Really interesting video! Id like to see more opinionated "talk with me" videos : )
it's not that it's resin, it's the fact that it's forgeworld. you pay a premium price for: mould slips, bubbles, release agent that can't be removed and of course.....warping. So many companies produce perfect defect free resin minis i wish forgeworld would up their game and lower prices. RANT OVER!
It is the fact that it's resin cause the parts are thin and can snap easily
@@childrenofthesun471 who made it that way?
@@sumisuokami all resin is fragile tho and can snap
@@childrenofthesun471 those wings do look weak as piss, just imagine the pain a few bubbles will cause. I have many big winged resin models (not gw) and they are fragile compared to plastics, but forgeworld do suck at quality control (except if your leakycheese) you must admit that.
@@sumisuokami oh yeah I'm not defending forgeworld, I don't even buy minis from there I just get recasts lol
to your final point, that people are upset that they think this means he isnt coming in plastic, i have to disagree, at least for myself.
im sure he will be along in plastic in the next year or four. I think the problem is that the reveal didnt mention the game system until we'd had a chance to really bask in the model's glory. if it had opened with the horus heresy logo, it would have been a very different story.
additionally, knowing that a plastic one will eventually come, and seeing how perfect this sculpt is (at least in my eyes), i feel a bit let down by the probability that the plastic kit just wont look nearly as good as the resin one.
This is an interesting take I hadn't considered - A hype bait and switch on the reveal? Thanks for sharing! I also would be concerned about the comparison between the two
@@TabletopTime they didn't bait anyone tho, they had a hh roadmap with a "new primarch" on the horizon, I am sure a lot of people didn't see or pay attention to the roadmap but that's on them, not gw
I have no idea what Dave is talking about. Mostly I’m here for the mini painting and battle reports. But I watched the whole video in support of TTT.
I would like to say something about the lighting and how centered Dave is in the video. Gosh you have done so much better in the past. And the going back and forth from hand held camera to tripod. Cutting off the top of Dave’s head. Once more for the bad lighting.
I did like that he was standing with the Space Bears set. So cool. Can’t wait for that to happen.
Seriously I love TTT so much. Really do.
I want to believe that there's still a chance for a plastic Emperor's Children and Fulgrim , he may look like different than the resin one but I feel like we're getting a possible preview. It's wishful thinking but I think something positive needs to come from Resin Fulgrim other than how awesome he looks
This is second daemon Fulgrim mini. First was the Epic model.
I think resin Fulgrim falls fully in line with the Ascended Primarchs, I think 30k is going to tackle the siege of terra towards the end of the edition. What’s going to inform 40K Fulgrim design more is how Ascended Angron, Magnus and Mortarion come out. If there’s a blend of 30k aesthetics with the pure daemonic mutations (ie wings) in their design then 40K Fulgrim could be radically different from even the Daemonic 30k sculpt. I wouldn’t be deflated, just patient. I can honestly see EC coming in 10th, TS came in late 7th, DG came in 8th and WE came in late 9th. Late 10th seems ideal for them.
On the other hand, if you are happy to deal with resin you just scored a kickarse temporary bringer of change proxy.
I remember overhearing some people complain about forge world models and I didn't understand why. I've watch you guys use forge world models just fine. Thank you for explaining the reason why forge world isn't for everyone
Can't deny that fan expectations were a big problem here. GW said a Primarch was coming for 30K, and there's never been confirmation of a plastic EC range happening, just one or two allusions to Fulgrim in-lore, the same old rumours that people have been parroting since 2016, and people seeing a pattern when GW doesn't always follow through with those anyway (remember Codex: Alien Hunters? Me neither). But here we are.
And I'm glad Fulgrim's in resin/by FW, honestly, for all the medium's issues (which are mostly - but not entirely - FW quality control issues, not resin issues, honestly). There'd just be too many design compromises to make him work in plastic, and he'd probably end up looking way more cartoonish if he had been. IMO, the plastic daemon primarchs look like they stepped out of a comic book, thanks to the sculpting style GW has moved towards since they started doing all their stuff in CAD-designed plastic (which I'm sure has a lot to do with it working better in plastic than more organic styles). Fulgrim, on the other hand, looks like he slithered out of a Renaissance painting made by someone who was way too fond of hallucinogens, since they can sculpt without having to worry about whether an overhanging detail will snag on the mould and break off.
Dave quit leaning on the snow! lol
I love working with resin! Fulgrim is not that bad to work with. I also love the Creature Caster stuff. It's amazing and fun to work with. Get Good!
These pros and cons of models are very helpful, thanks
the only thing that I'm wondering is: would that mini survive a battle report between jazza and dave? *flashback to the last time they had resin minis with wings hitting the floor*
Loved the comment about the danger of resin dust, too often in this community we look over just how hazardous some of the materials we work with are, especially bad for new people who might be unaware
I still have hope that we'll get a 40k plastic EC range at some point. It just will be 3yrs down the line towards the end of the edition, along with either Russ or Khan for the loyalists!
Emperor's Children and anything Slaanesh related is too "spicy". Muderous blood soaked psychopaths of World Eaters? Ok. Constantly puking and diarrhea of Death Guard? Ok. Twisted magic of Thousand Sons? Ok. Sexiness and suggestivness of Emperor's Children? Oh noes, we can't make our minatures lewd!!
After a certain size point with resin stuff it basically becomes a garage kit. Lovely for display but playability you really would have to be careful. D:
That model *is* super gorgeous though.
Fulgrim is one of my favorite characters in 40k and all I’ve wanted was a 40k faction for the emperor’s children and it seems like I’m gonna be waiting a while now
We are almost certainly getting a 40k Fulgrim eventually. My worry is what could they do that this release doesn't? before this release my ideal fulgrim would be almost exactly this model but in plastic. and maybe feathered wings. And after that jewelist pun i guess i can see there is more potential after all.
I am completely our of the loop of most of the ins and outs of individual GW models and the lore behind them, but man this was still fascinating to listen to.
It took me back to preparing debates at high school
@@TabletopTime Master debaters represent
Resting your arm on a snowy piece of terrain with a black hoodie was a mistake. Look at your sleeve now!
I did notice 🤣
11th edition box set Loyalist Fulgrim and his Sons of the Phoenix Vs, Demon Fulgrim and his Emperor's Children.
GW hinted at a primarch reveal for HH and we literally just got Angron and a World Eaters refresh in less than a year for 40k. I dont see how people could be upset that we didnt get EC or fulgrim now. But I will say GW could have chosen any other primarch other than Fulgrim right now. Now what would be a shock is if its not in fact EC and Fulgrim we get in 10th but Perty and the iron warriors in plastic representing the Dark Mechanicum since they are essentially one in the same. That would be the slap in the face for EC fans for sure
Literally even with all the other issues 1 thing would have avoided all the backlash, rules for him in 40k the game people actually play and care about
More than fulgrim, this video made me want chaos guard even more.
You recieve my spittle good sir for your defamation of resin as a modelling medium. I've only ever had minor issues with FW resin, and like 90% of my army is resin.
Chaos primarchs and factions bookmark editions and herald a new one, we aren’t at the end of this edition.
Heresy only + resin + it’s going to likely be 300-400 aud. It’s that simple.
Dirty chaos needs representation as well. Should have been a 30k resin and 40K plastic at the same time
I believe plastic Fulgrim and emperors children are coming, if you look at the current trend with they're releases its at the end of editions, we only just got Aggron. So I'm guessing end of 10th in 3 years we'll finally get Fulgrim.
yeah I think most of the community outside of starving EC fans knows they are coming to plastic eventually. However, bit of a stretch, but if we did get Fulgrim for HH it may slightly hint at EC and Fulgrim not getting their turn this edition. It in fact could become Perty and the Iron warriors representing the Dark Mechanicum this edition. It sort of aligns with the introduction to Vastor and the rumors of the traitor guard and Dark Mechanicum coming to 10th edition. That would be a bit of slap to the face to EC fans
A traitor guard release would probably get me back into 40k. I already have over 60 cultists/traitors kitbashed and painted for my necromunda helot chaos cult. I only play SW Legion at the moment.
He's technically not daemon primarch yet.
he's ascended Primark.
he's in the middle
I'm actually excited to see how much more extreme and excessive a 40k Fulgrim might look in comparison to this ascended model.
One day we will get traitor guard dave, one day. Until then I'll still use mine as normal guard
I don't understand the point of this video. The model is clearly for the Horus Heresy and is part of a new range of Primarch models for the game, of course it was going to be resin. When the Emperor's Children come to 40k there will certainly be a plastic model.
Fulgrim being in resin was a pleasant surprise for many Heresy players, because it means we will be getting resin sculpts for each of the demon primarchs which fit the aesthetic of the game better than the 40k plastics.
Dead Ferrus is going to be a great model
People assume a corporation is a singular being, able to respond as things change, like a person. In reality, it's a multi-part monolith, not always aware of what one part is doing, and making decisions off of slices of input. This latest release is likely a result of one part not looking at what the other parts were doing.
Cons:
- Not for 40k
- Resin
- He wing too big he gonna break
Pros:
The door is open to make an even more twisted and daemonic Fulgrim in the future
This is Fulgrim at the end of the Heresy, so 10,000 years is plenty of time for him to transform into something even more hideously beautiful
I wanna see something absolutely over the top and extreme
Give him a gorgeous, perfectly sculpted face, or a mask reflective of that former appearance, on a demented, hideous Keeper of Secrets body with an enormous coiled Naga tail
Make his model ripe with intricately sculpted fine detail, while simultaneously being something genuinely unsettling to look at
Just as Slaanesh would want
I see this as GW giving us a chicken wing when we wanted the rotisserie chicken, it conforms my thoughts that's 10th edition release for CSM will focus on Huron and a new plastic models, we might get Emperor's Children in 11th edition
Im just making druchii bodies with resin but i still buy the boxes for the arms.
The resin fulgril looks like he's at a smaller scale
I didn't heard any rumor, when I saw the announcement it was so obvious that a demon primarch would be for 40k that my eyes didn't even register the HH logo in the video.
I honestly don't feel like this release conflicts with plastic fulgrim. I wouldn't expect the EC range to get released before 2025, or more likely 2026 anyways. Until then they're going to release multiple Ascended models. I don't know how many ascended primarchs there are going to be, i assumed its only going to be chaos primarchs, that ascended during the heresy. But that might be wrong.
So i feel like, it might actually make sense to do fulgrim first, to get the maximum time inbetween of plastic and resin fulgrim. When fulgrim comes out, this model might be 2 or 3 years old.
Also on a design-perspective, it would make sense to start working on plastic fulgrim at the end of the design-process of resin fulgrim. They now have a design to build upon.
I have a feeling that 2025 is going to see a big release for Aldari, Drukari and Slanesh in 40K in some sort of big story line. The Earliest any of these will be out is summer 24 but I think they will hold off a bit longer as a lot of minis are needed for all 3 factions. No proof of this just my gut feeling is all.
i love these kinds of videos!
Great video! Extra shakey cam made me nauseous though so had to podcast listen, but a really good breakdown of the situation. It's a great model and will look gorgeous on a display shelf but it's not realistically a playable miniature with those wings and too expensive to break pricetag.
I honestly don't think that the EC as a faction are dead, not at all. I strongly believe that even GW in all their....interesting ways of thinking at times won't just abandon a clearly established pattern with the main four Chaos Legions, started off by the Thousand Sons in 7th, continued by the Death Guard in 8th and last updated with the World Eaters at the end of 9th so making EC the thing at the end of 10th only makes sense.
That being said the Fulgrim reveal was incredibly surprising, them saying that it's only HH makes me think that there's no reason why there shouldn't be a model in 40k but more importantly, what the hell is it gonna look like now? The 40k Fulgrim would be a daemon Primarch 10 thousand years later, to be fair most of that time he spent in the warp where there is no time, on his own personal pleasure planet but still, maybe the model he will get in 40k differs from the 30k one a lot. The 30k Fulgrim is how I think most people imagine Daemon Primarch Fulgrim to look like so what if they go and turn up the daemon WAY more with him, higher levels than Angron
No idea what Dave is talking about, but he was so passionate about it that my wife and I watched the whole video.
Love the video and thank you for the explanation, helps a lot to think about buying the model. It would be nice to have new models for the Emperor's Children.
What's up with wobbly cam?
"STOP COCKBLOCKING ME!" -Dr. Ivo Robotnik
At least there will be an stl for this model any day now and i won't have to pay FW prices for it.
Those resin arms and wings looks like a pain. More of a display piece. I See it breaking just by moving it
>1:25
>still shows old Berzerker models but a conversion
I was glad fulgrim wasn't in 40k yet because my theory is rogal dorn will be next loyalist and they will give him the emporers claw weapon to replace his hand and then perturabo will come back to fight him
Okay I want to be blunt: if you want to establish the rule of the demon primarchs and their respective legions being remade, Magnus is the exception, as he came long before the rework of his thousand sons.
But lets face what we have: Mortarion and the Death Guard kicking of 8th. In 9th we got ne thousand sons and end of 9th we got the World Eater rework.
So its probably safe to assume that Emperors Children will be getting their new stuff about 2/3 into 10th.
So about the time players usually get less new stuff, because they know the next edition is lurking around the corner the upcoming months.
Also this Fulgrim model pretty much breaks it to even the last of us, that HH is a completly different game.
It definitely wouldn’t have been as bad if they went with any of the other Primarchs, especially if it’s the one that I think should have been next, Lorgar. He has rules for his ascended form (I think, but I’ve been wrong before), he isn’t one of the 4 monogod Primarchs, and he isn’t the only monogod Primarch that hasn’t gotten a plastic release alongside his legion. GW should have realized that releasing Daemon Fulgrim in 40k takes priority over releasing him in 30k for just about everyone.
Also, as an extra note, I say this as someone who dislikes Word Bearers quite a bit.
what makes is so bad for me is we got resin daemon fulgy before a 40k version thats honestly more relevant with his brothers getting plastic minis like :l
Going to be honest, I thought Fulgrim already had a model, so when I saw the announcement a few days ago I thought they just updated it. I had no idea there was so much controversy over it until this informative video. Please note that my ignorance comes from the fact that I only pay attention to the model ranges for factions I care about (such as Tyranids, Tau and Chaos Knight) and ignore the rest as they don't interest me.
Unless something has changed, Corvus Belli's minis aren't white metal, they're proper, leaded pewter...
There will be a 40k fulgrim 100% but not within months of angron releasing. It will outsell resin fulgrim. Im waiting on an amazing puratrabo model though so will be waiting decades
There is still a chance that we get plastic demon Fulgrim and EC at the end of 10th like we did in 9th.
Interesting to pick the mcfarlane action figure for the injection molded plastic example and not a mini
It's still made the same way
I can't unsee the sleeve of your hoodie getting whiter the more you lean on that terrain. But yeah I thiink within the next couple of years we will get a 10th edition update to the Emperors Children includng a plastc Fulgrim. What Forge Worlds Specialist Design Studio and Games Workshops Citadel Minatures do have little to no bearing on what the other is workng on, Fulgrms HH sculpt isn't the nail in the coffin that many are making it out to be.
1. I have a homebrew white scars successor that fell to slaanesh and are sort of a chaos biker gang, so outriders and noise marines from the emperor's children would be sick!
2. OMG, get a tripod hahaha sorry, the hand held cam shake was making me dizzy lol
I feel like anything in resin from Forgeworld should either be a display model or something massive like the Titans. Plastics should always be your tabletop standard for play pieces. I suppose I don't have a dog in this fight, as I don't play Chaos. But I dream of a return of Corvus from the warp. And I'd rather he return in plastic for play and resin for display. Give us a choice to play. But ultimately I also don't play tournaments. And I have 3D ptinters. So maybe I'll find decent proxies I can print or buy and just move on.
When I heard folks in my flgs 40k discord talking about the lady Nova reveal being a primarch, I was confident it wouldn't be Fulgrim. At the start of the reveal I was so happy to be proven wrong and then they said it'd be HH only and I've never been more upset that I was technically right.
A new Primarch model from FW has been in the roapmap for Horus Heresy for a long time. This was no surprise, and for me it's the correct choice. 30k is moving into a new era, and with the setting being set more in the later stages of the heresy now it makes sense to release the Daemon Primarchs.
I might also be biased since I prefer 30k over 40k, but a lot of 40k players in this case are acting like spoiled brats. God forbid that GW gives some love to other games than 40k for once...
I would prefer daemon primarchs who will probably never get 40k models. Lorgar, Perturabo
With the size of those Wings, it gotta be because of a plastic shortage.
GW should embrace 3D printing
I like building models
Problems with Resin? Skill Issue
Problems with Price? Recasters got your back
The decision makes total sense to me - a plastic Fulgrim would only accompany a full Emperor's Children release with a codex, multiple plastic kits and a ton of lore upheaval. The main studio already has its work cut out with every single codex needing an update for 10th ed and a full range reboot for the Nids. FW meanwhile has a full plastic core Heresy range with plenty of resin upgrades for EC and is focusing in on the Seige. Of the major protagonists daemon Fulgrim is the only one not covered by an existing mini except for the Emperor himself. Bottom line is this was exactly the right time for Heresy Fulgrim and exactly the wrong time for him in 40k
I‘m just mad at Dave for leaning on the Spacebears board!
I liked your recap of the rumor and trends, I am a little let down he wasn't for 40k, we had a similar release with Lion el johnson, I remember almost the same disappointment when the horus heresy model was released. I felt the excitement in the community when Lion El Johnson reached 40k, I think they are missing out on a lot by not releasing more of these kits. If they want to justify the price of these kits, there should be more of an aggressive release cycle. They can afford to take the hit at this point. I'm going to focus on my hobby projects and keep on keeping on.
Oh I 100% assure you GW and FW did not discuss this prior to designing and pipelining.
I think we'll probably get another plastic loyalist before plastic Fulgrim to balance the scales a bit