NO MORE HORRIBLE GREENS TREATMENT... THIS IS A GAME-CHANGER!?
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- NO MORE HORRIBLE GREENS TREATMENT... THIS IS A GAME-CHANGER!? 100% Of Golfer's HATE THIS... BUT WHY!? Have you ever wondered WHY greenskeepers ruin the greens at certain times in a season? often the greens just get good at your golf course... In this video I talk through the guys at Woolley Park GC about Greens Aeration... a golfers nightmare, and often something which gets hugely misunderstood. The guys art Woolley Park have invested heavily in equipment to try and make the big horrible holes a thing of the past. Is this the most annoying thing in golf? stereotypical golfers often hate it... let's do it... and let's do it now!
As a head Greenkeeper I appreciate you educating golfers James. Great job buddy.
It's the same thing where you pull a small or big core. You could also not pull a core at all with solid tines. There have been studies on this very situation. Leaving more thatch through the winter can always cause negative impacts, winterkill, spring dead spot and so on. Why not just pull a bigger plug, it won't take that long to heal, your looking at 1 week to 10 days. Another bad thing with this he is aerating at the same depth over and over far more often instead of only twice a year. Repeated aeration at the same depth with cause layering in the rootzone, and than black layer
More of this kind of "behind the scenes" stuff please! It's really interesting for those of us who just pitch up and play and don't know how much effort goes into keeping the courses so pristine!
I’ve got to say, it doesn’t bother me when they do the greens….I love it as I know the greens are going to be amazing all year round because of it. Definitely worth the sacrifice of a couple of rounds a year. Great excuse for always missing my putts 😂
Big shout out to all the green keepers around the country doing an outstanding job at keeping the courses in excellent condition
Greenkeeping is easy, every golf course has about 400 experts 😂😂😂😂
Thank you I appreciate you saying that we never get an atta-boy good job well done nothing
@@999ukfire definitely not easy there buddy
@@billliberati9840 I was stating that every member is a greenkeeper or they think they are. Greenkeeping is a science in my book and a specialist activity.
Thanks for your kind words Tommie! We do our best.
I shot my best score of the year yesterday on scarified greens. Our Greenskeepers work tirelessly at Seaford Golf Club to give us good playing conditions all year round. And it just so happens that our greenskeepers are between 2-4 index. Shout out to Craig and Charlie and the team at Seaford. It's a great course and club to be part of.
Woolley is one of the best presented courses I've ever played, so you have to put your trust in the guys that present it like that.
Besides, conditions are the same for everybody on the day, so what does it matter... Wind, rain, greens maintenance - they're all just factors in playing regular golf.
Fantastic video, Golfers need to understand that it takes a LOT OF HARD WORK to allow us to play golf. Shout out to all green keepers.
Love to see the behind the scenes action at a quality club. Might be a good series to highlight a lot of the jobs available in the industry. In particular at the course. Maintenance of tee boxes, fairways, bunkers. Might help with the way players participate in the care of the course they play on.
James man....when are we going to see you up playing 'Newbiggin by the sea' whilst the greens are lightning, you would love it mate....just up the A19....just saying!
Great to see needles being used instead of plugs on a lot of courses. At the end of the day...it is what it is to have great greens over the colder months.
Keep up the great work lads!!!!!
Very informative. Thanks to all the greens keepers and maint. workers out there.
Great Job by John and you explaining the process and watching it happen, especially the size of holes made. Good job for the golf course maintenance staff, professionals at there trade
Ninja tines are amazing during season. Amazing recovery and put a roller over and as good as new. We did do a thing called hydroject. Which would punch holes with water to open up and give water at the same time
Great vid. Just grabbed some tines for my home backyard putting green from Ninja tines. Couldn't remember the tine he was using and came back to watch again. Thanks for the info. really helpful.
Having worked in the lawn and garden industry before, I do understand and appreciate the science behind the upkeep of a golf course. But, as a beginner golfer, it almost hurts watching a perfect putting green get tore up temporarily like that!! In the end, that course sure looks beautiful, wow.
Very interesting…. Our golf course uses 8mm, then upon end of season (01 November), they go all in with much deeper holes to survive through our harsh winters. Quebec, Canada…. Our course holes the greens 10 days ago, most of the greens don’t have holes anymore.
I don't complain about maintenance because they are only making our experience better for the future 👌🏼 love these videos
Good stuff.
Definitely do more of these with the green keepers throughout the year.
How often are core sames taken from greens, fairways, and tee boxes. Would love more education on what the optimal soil sample should be.
Great series, as the educational factor and efforts of of greenkeepers need more recognition to their contribution.
Fairways and Tees are generally done twice a year. Early Spring, late Summer.
Courses in climates that allow "Year round Play" will do Fairways and Tees every few months.
As mentioned in the Video, this Aeration needs to be done while still in "growing season" for "healing" to happen.
In my area Tucson Arizona they have to shut the course down for 2 weeks for the winter changover. Bermuda grass goes dormant late Oct into Nov all the facilities have to overseed with winter rye which holds up thru the winter and the occasional freeze that happens. All the locals dread this time of year.
They don't roll the greens in my area as much as they should. Very interesting video. Good to see technology advancing in green keeping.
When would you be seeding in the spring and which what sort of grass seed and mix and blend for the greens and tee’s? Would you be doing more solid verti draining in the winter? And with what sort of size of times?
We usually oversees twice a year, once in spring and once towards the end of the season, it was done a couple of weeks ago. We use pure bent cultivars. We will micro tine with the vertidrain during the autumn and spring when ground conditions are favourable. One of our greatest assets is the Air2G2 which can aerate to 12” with little or no disruption to the surface which is great all year round
@@johnrowbottom782 how often would you air2g2? Would you drill in the seed with a disc seeder? How do you level off your tee boxes?
@@scottdanter4167 we try to get out every month in the winter with the air2 or more often if we have a spell of bad weather. We use a vredo disc drill to maximise germination 👍🏻. We use a Dakota sand spreader on the tees than follow it with a drag mat to level 👍🏻
@@johnrowbottom782 have you ever used a koro to take the top layer of organic matter of a tee box and then topped it up with sand and levelled to aid drainage?
@@scottdanter4167 no never tried that
Massively appreciate the green keepers but I did get a little ticked off with them when my first eagle putt was sent completely wayward by the green treatment in my last round
Interesting. But 4mm holes are a quarter the area of 8mm holes.
Correct, so even though. They were running 60 cores on the machine v 24 of the 8mm they are taking more soil out with the 24 x 8 MM cores.
Maybe with the smaller cores they can do a second pass and the green is more playable?
But you are creating 2.5 times as many holes in the width of one pass.
This allows for Removal of sufficient thatch and compacted soil, and while the smaller holes heal at the same Speed as the Larger Holes, the distortion of the Surface and their visibility is much less.
@@guyr7351 no need to make a Second Pass. The 60 smaller plugs are sufficient for his purposes at that time.
Brilliant video James love to see that John's trying new things to try and impact the least on the greens for the golfers , Is this the first time using them that thin because the didn't seem to go as deep as the others and will it be as good. Great for the insight to greenkeepers role and why they do these things they do such an important job
You didn't watch the entire video. They talked about why they don't need to go as deep. You must be broke. Too broke to pay attention. lol
Hi Andrew,
We have been using these for over a year now as our go to hollow coring tine. We are built on USGA spec rootzone so we have no need to remove anything below the top inch. We are purely focusing on organic matter management when we hollow core which these times are great for 👍🏻.
John
@@johnrowbottom782 5hankyou John for your reply I love to see and try to understand all aspects of golf and as a member of a golf club you may have a quick conversation with the green keeping staff and probly conscious of taking up to much of there time . Watching James videos with you playing as well it's great to see a well kept course and commend your team in your work
Great video James, amazing to see the work that goes into keeping the green playing so well. Woolley park looks a great course, John does a fantastic job .
Worked in kitchens and retail for 7 years. I’m now 25, and miserable and am really thinking about green keeping. Don’t get to play enough to get down to be a club pro and this way I spend more time on the course. Those greens looked beautiful!
Very informative video James unsung heroes our greenkeepers we don't tell them enough how good a job they do
Great video good communication between the management & members has got to be the best way to go 👍
I want to play that course after seeing how much James cares about what he does great job
Good video James. Everyone love your greens keepers now. Buy them a pint and pat them on the back. 😁 Good job guys!
Here in the south USA, we have many Bermuda greens due to the heat and humidity. What do most courses across the pond have?
More of the Bent Grasses and Hybrids you would see in New York and New England.
GB&I courses have to be able to handle RAIN and Moisture.
Realize London is as far North as the Southern end of Hudson Bay in Canada.
Without the Gulf Stream, England would be the Snowshoe Capital of the World.
Our local course done this during a competition not so long ago. Spiked, not sanded, rolled or cut after. just left as it was.
The course I work at uses this same machine we also notify everybody in advance an also place dates on web site being public courses (2) it is in great shape
Its good they do it because the greens would be s--t if it wasn't do and its very interesting what goes on to make the greens look so good, good job John 👍🏌️♂️⛳
Really interesting 👌... good video, no one else shows this stuff and the technology behind it
So much easier to clear afterwards. We usually have a group of volunteers to help sweep greens after hollow tinings
more greens keeper stuff please
WOW...wish more courses used the smaller tines on greens. They wouldn't even be noticeable on putts if the green was top dressed and swept properly.
Great video , I’ve always wondered how they deal with divot filled tee boxes
Have you ever looked into the Dryject systems? What are your thoughts?
I did wonder what the reasons for this was for. Us hackers from the Dock Inn at Penzance aren't club members so do you get reduced green fees while maintenance week is on? Also, Liam did the same video this week and they used an additional machine that sucked up the cores and split them into soil and thatch, the soil being used to refill the holes (together with the sand) while the thatch was composted down for use on the tees as divot filler.
James great video. Very informative and educational
I learned last week that the stuff that comes out of the greens is considered chemical waste (because of all the stuff they spray on greens).
What would be the difference between this micro plugger and a ground fracture spike that just goes in and vibrates to open a hole does the plug actually need to be pulled
Great insight! Love those guys! It looks brilliant!
100% have been 'that' golfer who whines about them ruining perfectly good greens, but this is totally understandable, especially with some courses having to book machinery to do it. My local course did it recently and I think it was with the same ninja tines as they still rolled great afterwards, and now they've recovered, they're fantastic!
This has been around for years but given it's Yorkshire not surprising you are light years behind the rest of the UK.
Excellent and informative video fellows!
What Can fertilize is good after doing the aeration ??
5:52 - Math correction: if you halve the diameter, you have to quadruple the number of tines for an equivalent area. So 60 @ 4mm is still less than 24 @8
How does this Ninja core aeration differ from the Slit aeration that I've seen on some courses?
Modern Greens, 1960's forward are usually Sand Based Greens and are less subject to Compaction.
Older Courses were built with Clay Based Greens and these will readily Compact.
(Picture a Salt Shaker or a Sugar Dispenser that has sat unused and how the Grains form one Block.)
Clay Greens required Deep Tining for Drainage and for the Roots of the Grass to penetrate deeper.
man I wish my home course would go down to those 4 mil spikes.......I watched a putt zig-zag 4 different times on the way to the hole the other day.
Hi what speed setting did you have the procore set to IE spacing
Are we copying Liam over on golf mates James 😂😂😂, always good to see how the greenkeepers work their magic 👍🏌️
Yes this is a good solution to members vs maintenance staff . This just make it easier on the manager of the course not having to defend the super. ever year year in year out .
But it's not as effective as using bigger tines where the larger channel allows for more sand to be incorporated thereby improving drainage etc etc. It all depends on the agronomic requirement of any given course. Remember no two courses are the same..
great video! Thanks!
Very interesting, thanks guys.
Great work
Really interesting content 👍
Fascinating stuff chaps nice one 👍
Love the maintenance
Is it good to Leave the aeration holes without sand?
The important question is - Does John have a channel and if not why not!
HaHa so true!
A few weeks later, I use the line of holes as an alignment aid.
Good video, very informative!
You folks don't verti cut it before punching the plugs?
Can you please come be the green keeper at my course John! WE NEED A BETTER SMARTER ONE!!!! ASAP!!!!!
Maintenance is certainly necessary, but during the intro, I couldn't help feeling that every one of those spikes were being plunged directly into my chest!!! 🥵
What happens to the cores?
When it happens I simply hit to the green and inside 6ft equals 1 putt outside equals 2 and move on! Only a week or two at most.
Our head green keeper takes his fortnight holidays at maintenance week!!!!!. Won’t get done this year again!!!!.
I started at golf, ended up watching people doing lawn care. Now I’ve officially reached the pinnacle of both in the same video
We would do late fall aerification
Does john play golf too
I try 🤣
I too dream of grass lol.
I seen a course do it to the fairway
I get they need to be done but I hate when a course doesn't take a few bucks off the price of a round.
Let’s go another video ❤️
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Budget set of irons!!! Please
YOU would be WRONG! Worst nightmare IS they punch the greens, they go through the typical procedures after punching the greens ONLY to find out they didn't punch them DEEP ENOUGH!! F'n maroons so almost every green get's a fungus the grounds crew doesn't know what to do!! THAT'S YOUR BIGGEST GREENS NIGHTMARE!! they still haven't made it back and that was over 7 months ago!!
So that’s why John always where’s a hat!
I'll send this video to our greenkeepers. Although sunlight at this time of year is not problem where I play, it still takes several days for the greens to get back to their pre-treatment playability.
And they'll roll their eyes, they already know this and so much more.
Greens differ widely.
Structure, Grass(es), Yearly Climate and Growing Season(s).
What is Excellent for one set of Greens, could be inefficient or ineffective for another set of Greens, or worse, disastrous to the Greens.
*By the way, ONLY "Several Days" is Excellent!*
@@apaulmcdonough2170 Agree completely about the many differences. Thanks for the "Several Days" comment. Our greens will be closed for maintenance next Tuesday, but playable for the competition the Saturday after.
Photosynthesis!
You never can get enough air into a green it is the most important nutrient there is, even more than water.
Never bothers me when the Greenkeepers do their work. With out them we don't play golf.
If you want a nice course then the greenkeepers have to keep it maintained
I wanna become a green keeper
Why don’t courses warn you and offer reduced green fees when they are at their worst?
Most I know do
Hydro jet - high pressure water can be used instead of tines 🤫
I first saw Hydro Jet in use 30 years ago. Works Better on the older Clay Based Greens. It's primarily to combat Compaction. Does Nothing for Thatch.
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I understand why this needs to be done but surely there's a limit to how many times you need to do it. Two or three cycles should successfully remove all the old organic material and replace it with improved media so why do we have to repeat the process 2 or 3 times every year? I can't help thinking that there is lot of machinery and procedures that only serve to justify what has become a massive green keeping industry.
Grass grows everywhere, even in-between block paving so it's not difficult to cultivate. .
Compaction, Drainage, and to facilitate Root Depth.
The water jet aeration machine is much better
Hydro Jet is Excellent for Compaction of Clay Based Greens to improve Drainage. I first saw a Hydro Jet in use 30 years ago.
It does NOTHING to Thatch or for Root Depth.
Shout out to the green keepers. Usually under appreciated and getting the playing surfaces as good as they do is a tough job ... more so than most folk realise.
And while they may aerate the greens once a year there is a reason, we have no reason for not repairing pitch marks. If each person Repaired a Minimum of two per green when you play the greens would be fixed in a week
Yup 5:30-2 every day
I know here in texas you have to go deep when you pull cores. Its all clay here in dallas
As a nerd myself I appreciate the science lesson :P Always interesting to see "behinds the scenes" stuff like this, and John and his team are clearly a credit to his club.
I am a greens keeper in Maryland USA, thank you for making this video James. Golfers always get mad when we punch our greens. Unfortunately it is a necessary evil.
Been a greenkeeper for nearly 18 years and we get the comments and moans from the same people year on year and when we get it now im just gonna refer people to this video well done james and well done all the lads at woolley park
I was introduced to the game by a greenskeeper. I learned more than I probably should have about course management from playing rounds with him. I still have that critical eye for spotting little deficiencies around the course. It really made me appreciate all the hard work those guys do to give us a great playground.
I was on a golf course where they were core aerating the fairways! Do you also do the fairways and, is so, how often?
Two to Four times a year. This depends upon the Length of the "Growing Season" in the Course's geographic location.
This should be shared by every golf club to their membership
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Had my one and only H in 1 on scarified greens so usually happy to see it!!
Although note to clubs if you are going to do it and cut in temporary holes on the fairway to 90% of the holes best tell your visitors and before they tee off after paying full whack 😡
Not this course obviously, always looks mint on the videos 👍🏻