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Christians and the Dietary Laws: A Response to Dr. Michael Brown
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2021
- Should Christians observe the dietary laws? I differ with Dr. Michael Brown's answer to this question, so I decided to interact with his arguments.
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Whatever was a sin in the beginning is a sin today. God does not change!
God bless you, David!
So it's a sin not to offer blood sacrifices?
@@kenpca cross of Christ? 70 years later God destroyed the temple. what are saying?
@@kenpca What does the Torah say about why, when, and where there are to be korbanot (aka: offerings), and specifically when there is no Temple, and/or when the Jews were captive in Babylon? What did God instruct the people to do - during that captivity - in order to repent of their sins? Were they told to offer sacrifices in Babylon?
@@user-ih2fr2hi4qthat God did change something.
Over the last 3-4 years I’ve been trying to keep Torah, I’ve found that the dietary laws are the one thing that gets people so mad and ready to argue. That and the whole Christmas topic… people really don’t want to stop eating pork or stop observing a pagan holiday. It’s wild to me. Thanks for this video brother.
Praise God for David, he is truly a gift to the Church.
My family keeps the dietary laws. I believe we must. If you want to be grafted in that means you become like them in faith and in deed.
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Better keep the ceremonial laws too
Acting in Faith is beyond what we can do in our own strength. Avoiding certain foods is not hard. People do it all the time.
Paul rebuked Peter to his face, because Peter had been "eating with the Gentiles" before the Jerusalem party came to Antioch. Paul himself said to Peter, "You live like a Gentile..." (and Paul himself said he was not under Law. Scripture is so clear about this, all over the New Testament.
Why does Brown use the term Gentile believer. That's is an oxymoron. When you come to Messiah you are now Israel. Gentile means out of covenant.
Could you add some support for this from scripture? Most people would say Gentile is a term for non Jews. Paul said the word was first for the Jew and then the Gentile. Refering to everyone who is not a Jew.
So true. It's an insult to call ourselves gentile(aka also known as heathen) it's basically saying I'm a sinning heathen, but a believer In Yeshua. It's just so weird and mixed up. Heathen,gentile,and pagan are are all the same thing. YAH called the pagans by the name gentile as well. I think they started calling themselves that to separate themselves from YAH'S law and do what is easier for them
We are Israel.
@@yeshuahamashiachservant8165 Gentile just means non-Jew.
“For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for the sake of you Gentiles-”Eph 3:1.
Here Paul refers to saints he’s writing to in Ephesus as Gentiles.
Verse 6 says “This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.”
How can a pagan be an heir? Why does Paul say Gentiles and Israel if we are all Israel? How can pagans/non-believer be one body with Israel/believers?
Gentiles also mean a non-Jew. Meaning not under the law of moses or circumcised in the flesh. It’s not used as a derogatory label under Christ because there is no jew nor gentile in the kingdom of God. Also under Christ we no longer regard men after the flesh. Gal 3:28 2 Cor 5:16-21
This is what I have discovered. You see I have asthma and I need an inhaler to relieve the tightness of breathing but when I obeyed the dietary laws of God I became less dependant with the inhaler. In fact, I can eat more fruits and other foods which formerly I was allergic to so definitely whatever God says we should put our trust in Him.
Blessed be the Lord God Jesus.
That's amazing i also keep the dietery laws including the Daniel's diet or what i call the Genesis 1 diet and I'm always in good health, i rarely ever fall sick
I don't care if you are a doctor or whatever , if the bible says that pig is an unclean animal than it's surely unclean.
I always appreciate how humble, knowledgeable, loving and kind your answers and teachings are David. Thank you so much, and may God continue to bless you and your family!!!
Thank you!
paul says that everything God created is good if we except with thanks giving, then goes o to say that by the word it is santified and by prayer.. the word of Elohim does santifies, meaning it sets ot apart in leviticus 11. shalom
@@DavidWilberBlog I have a question
@@DavidWilberBlogRabbinical Judaism also believe that Gentiles can eat pork
Great counter arguments! I, too, highly respect Dr Brown. So when he took that stance about dietary laws, I was surprised. Thank you for taking the time to post this.
Two of the four "beginner Laws" for the Gentiles are dietary Laws:
"...but that we write to them to abstain from the defilements of idols, and from whoring, and from what is STRANGLED, and from BLOOD." (Act 15:20)
The rest of the Torah was expected to be learned over time:
“For from ancient generations Mosheh* has, in every city, those proclaiming him - being read in the congregations every Sabbath." (Act 15:21)
*Moses is referenced here as the author of the Torah, ie. the "Law of Moses."
After some questions came with my christian walk. I decided to understand those laws step by step, I stopped eating unclean food. We need to be prepared for the return of Yeshua, in any corner of our live.
Brother David thank you for this wonderful teaching. After two years watching this video over and over, I am still delighted watching it today. You were sufficient clear explaining that. I wish Dr. Brown could revisit this topic and another one he did on the sabbath of the Lord. I am saying that because he has an important audience, I Believe that would help his followers. Shalom
1 (Corinthians 10:25) Whatsoever is sold in the shambles,(translated market) that eat, asking no question for conscious sake: For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. I agree with Dr. Brown on this issue; but I love your humility! Be blessed!🙏🏾🤗💞
Though it has to be read in the totality of scripture for any prevailing exceptions that govern a subject. Paul himself knows that he is talking instrinsically about healthy/permitted foods and therefore doesn't necessarily need to explicitly state at that moment in time what is and is not acceptable to God in regards to food. Also, one can assume that his speech to these gentiles in the general course of things concerning foods would have been consistent with his understanding of God's expectations and his own adherence to them. In this way, we can understand that his gentiles being 'grafted in' to Israel explanation in Ephesians 2 shows that they and we and Jews today are to continue to follow His rules for eating which principally involves excluding those in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.
Richard Paul didn't say buy UNCLEAN MEAT asking no question for your conscious sake, Christianity simply assumes Paul is saying when you go to the market pick up some mice, cats, bats etc. The context was Idolatrous temples gave the left over meat to markets. Paul was saying don't let your conscious bother you getting meat from the market [there conscious saying what if the meat came from a pagan temple]. Paul was telling believers you didn't worship an Idol and sacrifice an animal to it, God will not hold you accountable for buying meat at the market because you did not participate in temple Idolatry.
This is no different than if a believe in the messiah walked through Arabia and needed food and bought some chicken sandwiches, they are not held responsible for whatever pagan sacrifices the Muslims did to that chicken before hand, if the Muslims sacrificed the chicken to 360 Idols in their Kaaba, and I later bought chicken sandwiches and it was from that chicken, I am not held accountable because I did not participate in worshiping the idols or sacrificing the chicken to them.
However if I bought some cat meat or mice, I am held responsible for I have broken the law and eaten that which was unclean and forbidden to be eaten.
@@GodsView1 question
@@GodsView1 I realize this is 4 months late ... just viewing this video now. I agree with your response, but to build upon your response, have you also considered that 1 Cor 10:25 is in the context of "Now concerning food sacrificed to idols" (chap 8:1)? Just like the context of Mark 7 or Acts 10 shows it is not about the dietary instructions, I would suggest that the context of this verse is "food" sold in the market that may have been sacrificed to an idol .... and non-Jewish believers who have left pagan worship should not consider an idol anything (this also syncs with Romans 14) So the conclusion I would come to is that the main issue wasn't clean vs unclean, but was this clean meat (beef, lamb, gazelle, etc) that is sold in the market sacrificed to an idol? Ultimately, we shouldn't consider an idol anything therefore not letting it get in the way of eating a steak, yet at the same time, show love to a brother or sister who still struggling with making the distinction and refrain if they are not at the same place you are in their walk.
But, Paul would never call pork food. Just like I might tell my girls they can eat anything off the desert buffet, but they know that doesn't mean to eat napkins. Pork just isn't food, so he's only talking about the things that *are* food that can either be clean or unclean depending on how they are handled.
Shalom brother , found out your channel lately ! I love the way you preach in love and patience. Keep up the work in our God Yeschua . Greetings from Germany .
Did Yeshua keep God’s Commandments?
Ok...then so should we, if we are truly followers of Christ...🙏
Sorry bro, unclean food is a societal construct rather than an objective standard or something real
The cultic rituals have been done away with new cultic rituals and new Jerusalem
And new covenant also there is a distinction between God's torah and torah of Moshe
Torah of Moshe is superset of torah of God
Not only did Yeshua (Jesus) keep the commandments, He said that those who love Him keep His commandments.
Jesus NEVER said follow the Law. He fulfilled the Law and then said follow MY commandments.
@@oterosocram25 - He never said NOT to follow Torah either…🙏
@@shabbatsongs4801 An argument from silence isn't making a point. Use rebuttals that have substance
I find the comment "Gentile Believer" a little weird. As I hold the opinion, that once you enter into covenant with the creator, you are no longer a gentile, but are now grafted in to Israel whether adopted or have a bloodline from the original tribes. So....no, do not eat the little piggies. :)
Agreed. I left this exact same comment and then scrolled down and saw you beat me to it.
In the Torah the word for Gentiles is used 30 times for gentile and 143 times for heathen. I too choose not to call myself that term , I too am Grafted into Israel .
Expressing disagreement in a respectful way. I highly respect that. The Father makes distinctions n cares about what we consume. Thank you for a very clear teaching with Scriptures to back it up.
Thanks for watching!
Hi Lina
I believe you come to an accurate conclusion.
I've heard NT Christian pastors and apologists arguing against the modern culture using the very Law that they undermine when arguing against those who support Torah keeping.
The time is coming soon when the tensions between those who will Hear and Obey and those who will not is going to force a great divide. So let us all make every effort to show ourselves approved and save some, as many as are willing, by having an answer ready for the hope that lives within us.
Excellent David! The use of 2 Tim 3:16 there, was amazingly informed! To the Apostles the Tanakh was the "scriptures" they referred to indeed.
I agree with you.
Another argument is, to many Christians forget, that when the people came out of Egypt. Not all were Hebrew people. Even when the children of Israel went into the promise land, many people were not Hebrew people.
Yeshua Ha'Mashiach said in Matthew 5:17-20. We are still under the law. This means everyone will be judged by law.
Even Paul said he always kept the law.
“By this pork I hath not eaten, so I am saved.” Is what you don’t want to get out of it. The more I do for my salvation, the more pride it can give. I’d rather trust in Christ and if Christ doesn’t want me eating these things, I won’t, but I don’t think people are going to hell bc of a meal they had before judgment day, just as I don’t think a person changing for Christ will die and hear “You were on your way, but you never got to change your diet to the biblical diet, so you’re going to hell.” just as I don’t think a person who isn’t trusting in Christ may make a diet change based solely on the Bible just bc they found it helps with their digestive systems, is getting into Heaven. It’s based on the heart, not the stomach, which is why I tend not to get too deep on non salvific topics. And if all laws must be met to be considered a follower of Christ, then there isn’t a single follower of Christ on this plane, for there isn’t a righteous man upon the earth. That is why we NEED Christ, we NEED the Lord’s mercy! Nothing you do is good enough to make it to heaven, we all fall short of the Glory of God. I’m not saying not to change where the Lord calls for it. I’m changing my diet rn: not bc I believe it’s going to save me or keep me from going to hell, but bc of my love for Christ and this temple (my body) he formed for me. Loving prayers and blessings to all, in Yeshua’s name!
(DISCLAIMER: don’t follow me: follow Christ. I’m a man subject to fault and imperfection, my words may have mistake/misunderstanding between them. 🙏)
I'm forever grateful that Jesus is where salvation is found and not by my performance of keeping rules. I'm also forever grateful for understanding what justification is and means to every believer
Amen brother. Keep speaking truth.
He who has ears to hear WILL hear!!
Praise YAH
Christians should do what Jesus (Yeshua) did. You either follow him or you don't. Gentiles by definition do not adhere to the instructions found in the Torah. The question is are you grafted into the vine of Yeshua or are you following someone else. Yeshua said that those that teach others to not follow the commands will be the least in the kingdom. Yikes I choose to encourage all to just do what Jesus did, instead of giving him lip service. Shalom. Matthew 5:19
Amen
For argument sake, if I as a christian was to eat pork, does that mean I have defiled myself, the temple, the Holy Spirit, and Jesus says it’s all a part of me. Trying to get some clarification and understanding of this view.
You may eat anything you choose eat it in thanksgiving always
It's all answered in Romans 14
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
In other words: Observe the dietary laws or don't observe the dietary laws be sure not to judge. You are judging God's servant whom God is able to make stand.
Galatians 2:
15 Indeed, we are Jews by birth and not “Gentile sinners,” as they are called. 16 (A)Yet we know that a person is put right with God only through faith in Jesus Christ, never by doing what the Law requires.
This debate is a clear example of how spiritual things cannot be discerned by logic.
If you are interested in another perspective on Romans 14, see my video "Matters of Opinion (Romans 14)" on the 119 channel. I'd be interested in your feedback!
The best answer I've heard is that the laws that were given ONLY to the nation of Israel are not universal law for Christians, but the laws God judged every nation for we ARE accountable for.
If we must keep all or nearly all of Jewish law then Paul's lessons on conviction and freedom in relation to matters of the law would give me a sense of heresy. Since his explanations of conviction in eating various foods, setting aside different holy days, and (most famously) circumcision aren't seen as heresy it makes the most sense that those laws with only pertained to Hebrews are no longer grounds for separation.
Reading the minor prophets explains very clearly what permanent moral laws God judges everyone for; they're not penalized for eating different foods but ARE penalized for torture, unjust war, brutality, and sexual immorality.
That was a good video on the subject. Another thing to consider is that since Noah was commanded to take 7 pairs of clean animals and only 1 pair of unclean animals, I question if there would have been enough unclean animals for him to eat in the first place.
Well not just Christians *BUT* Rabbinical Judaism including Tovia Singer also believes that Gentiles can eat all the pork and Lobster they want. In addition to cutting off Gentiles that *DARE* to keep Sabbath *ANY* day of the week.
Yes, we must obey God 100%. And never willingly compromise. I was lied to by someone recently who acted like they were trying to do things God’s Way. Well, they weren’t and I was hurt and abused the past 4 months. God warned me we were unevenly yoked from the beginning and warned me through a stranger to get out of the situation. But I was foolish and didn’t listen to God. Satan didn’t want me to listen to God. Time to get back on track. If you truly love God He will take these fleshly desires away. You will not even desire to eat unclean trash.
Simple question. What happens if you don't keep the dietary instruction?
Torah observant advocates need to test this teacher's assertions against the very text he reads. In Genesis 9 - there are actually THREE different topics whereby God includes "all moving things that live":
1. In verse 2 God says the fear and dread of man will be upon all moving things that live (all animals).
2. In verse 3 God says all moving things that live (all animals) are for food.
3. In verses 9-11 God makes a covenant with all moving things that live (all animals).
So, IF this teacher's assertion is correct that verse 3 only applies to unclean animals, then we need to be hermeneutically consistent with the other passages - and it would make NO SENSE that verses 2 and 9-11 would apply only to unclean animals.
Therefore, all related verses must be about the same thing, i.e. ALL ANIMALS.
David, is it just me, or is it odd that we want to say that 9 out of 10 of the Commandments apply, all of the stuff about getting paid applies, but the parts that actually make us a peculiar people (which is like 17 or 18 times OT and NT) don't apply?
“Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils...commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.”
1 Timothy 4:1, 3-5 KJV
Exactly we should only eat clean animals.
What is is sanctified by the Word as food? We are told in Leviticus.
This is how I see it. Yahweh is the Creator. Just like a Mechanic. He knows what the Vehicle needs, and what should go in it, and out of it. He’s the creator of Humanity and knows best for our body’s.
Take it or leave it, that’s my thoughts.
-May Yah bless.
You have hit the nail right on the head. Well said!
I agree but it goes beyond that. Disobedience is sin. It's not just bad for you. It's disobeying direct Torah commandments which I sin.
@@fivebooks8498 I agree. The commandments are for our good - both physically and spiritually.
@@fivebooks8498 That's if you place yourself as the recipient of the Torah. Which is a huge mistake. You cannot cherry pick whatever you want from the 615 commadments given in the Torah. It has been established, you cannot keep tyhew whole Torah. Jesus did and thats why He fulfilled it and said follow MY commadments not the Torah.
@@oterosocram25 Yes, it seems people forget this. Are they making animal sacrifices or sending their wife to the shed to sleep outside until her period is over? Likely not. So they are transgressing the law they hypocritically preach. Genesis 1:29 is the true Biblical diet, so if you want to please God with what we eat, choose that instead.
Appreciate hearing your perspective. I think 13:51 is an extreme stretch and attempt. If I were to be honest, that was the weakest part of the argument. Bless the Lord and your family of believers as we seek Him daily.
Thanks! Would you mind elaborating on why you think that point was weak? Interested in your perspective. Blessings and Shalom.
Shalom. I stick to the dietary laws but I sure do miss lobster and baked clams. God bless.
Try Lion's Mane mushroom.
The cravings for garbage go away eventually
Hahaha. My flesh misses calamari, but genuinely my new life in Christ is so much more worth it :)
Those cravings do go away eventually. The only unclean food that I would eat at this point if it wasn't forbidden is fried shrimp. But it's been over 15 years since I tasted it so perhaps my tastes have changed. I'll never know.
Sojourning with Israel doesnt mean to be a Jew but more of a statement of when in rome do as the romans.. if I were in a foreign nation I would follow those laws while I Sojourn there. Most people seem to agree dietary laws and many other laws of Torah and Talmud are for the Jew and not for thr Gentile. Just my opinion but I do love the way you look at this.
I would agree with your perspective on soldiering and do understand it could be implied either way but Messiah taught us that he was the good shepherd and was not only to gather his flock who heard his voice but another fold who were not his and bring them into One. Paul mentions many times that we are one in Messiah Jew and gentile, that the gentiles were once alien to the covenants of God but now have been brought near and made one, the whole Romans 11 tree analogy says that we are grafted into that same root Messiah. Not two separate trees or one tree with two different trunks but one tree and we are all branches pulling our nutrients from the same root. One vine. One face one baptism one God. From the beginning God made Adam and Eve to become one flesh. The entire scope of the Bible is based on oneness with God including Messiah and the Father. I do not believe that God gave instructions / Torah to be done away with as soon as Messiah dies and ascends but then comes back according to Isaiah 2 and teaches Torah to the gentiles when he reigns in Jerusalem. Or Isaiah 66 with Shabbat, New Moon and Sukkot and that the gentiles are to join in with Messiah as one. To dissect a scripture or to and say that those are for the Jews and not the gentiles is missing the entirety of what Messiah has done for all believers in Him. I viewed it the same way you did for 30 years and when I was 55 God removed the scales from my eyes to understand oneness. Keep praying brother, we all need our eyes open to so much nowadays. May God bless and keep you.
Dietary law was in affect since the garden, and knew what a clean animal was already due to sacrifice but biblically food is always referring to kosher meat unless stated otherwise
YAH knows what is good for us.
Amen
Isaiah 65:4 (KJV) Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable [things is in] their vessels;
Isaiah 66:17 (KJV) They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
If you see these as end time judgement prophecies.
Then Brown is wrong .
Romans 14:1 "Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters. 2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. 4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. 6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone. 8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord. 9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11 It is written:
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord,
‘every knee will bow before me;
every tongue will acknowledge God.’”[b]
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble. 21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin."
The fact that certain commandments are not pushed verbally by Christ doesn’t mean they aren’t applicable. Christ taught Torah in its entirety. That new believers were allowed to come to Synagogue without first being circumcised just means that someone with no prior upbringing in a religion would run away when asked to cut off their foreskin. It was understood they would learn dietary laws and the rest of Torah and they would come to want to obey and even be circumcised if they weren’t already.
Thank you. We tend to make excuses for following God's laws, but we follow corporations' regulations as well as state and federal. As servants, we follow amd obey open-heartedly. It's not a burden but a revelation. These laws exist as a guide. I more my children eat pork, shrimp, lobsters, crabs, or catfish because of our father's commandments. If you you think about it, the health guidelines are just that, protecting our health.
Very well thought out and explained position on this topic. Your final statement about Dr B picking and choosing which of the OT commandments to observe or not observe does seem quite telling. I enjoy your calm, thorough, and non know-it-all presentations always. It is curious that so much effort goes into convincing Believers they DON'T HAVE TO follow commandments rather than just following them.
For those that don’t believe the food law is still valid today think again….. praise God the Father and Yeshua his Son.
Don’t get deceived by people that tell you you are not under the food law, clearly Peter tells us to keep the food law as scriptures tell us…..
1 Peter 1:15-16 KJV
[15] But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; [16] Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy. …
IT IS WRITTEN?! Where is it written?! and what does it refer to……?
Leviticus 11:44 KJV
[44] For I am the Lord your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall (((be holy; for I am holy:))) neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Keep reading….
Leviticus 11:47 KJV
[47] To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
Guys read your Bible…..
2 Timothy 2:15 KJV
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Remember what Yeshua tells us in Matthew 24, Many will come in my name deceiving many….
Romans 14:12 KJV
[12] So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Read Leviticus 11, Peter referred to Leviticus 11 because the food law is relevant to us all.
May the Father in heaven lead you to everlasting righteousness in the name of his Son Yeshua, Amen.
Great explanation and presented very graciously.
I wonder what Dr Browns feelings are toward the word remes? Does he agree with other scholars that there is some sifting that must be done? Or does he believe that for sure he knows what it means?
He didn't go into detail in his video, but it would seem that he thinks it includes unclean animals.
How can someone be a ‘solid theologian’ when they think and teach this way? Honest question
also Dr. Brown has endorsed some heretical people in the past.
Scholars differ on many things. It doesn’t revoke their credentials. We can disagree and still love each other...🙏
Have no fellowship with them according to the Word.
Thank you for this perspective on a topic that divides so many. I haven’t watched yet. I believe dietary laws were given TO Israel but we are grafted into the olive branch in a similar way slaves owned by Abraham were to be circumcised. My question that will probably remain: should I not wear blended clothing? What laws do we follow, bc I cannot raise a calf and sacrifice it at the temple? Isn’t the point of the law that we cannot keep it? I agree that doesn’t give us free-rang
Ty David.
Such strong and loving logic, as always.
I would love to see you debate Dr. Brown.
We are free to do so
everyone is free to sin -- but we should not - sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 but Yeshua said go sin no more and so did the apostles romans 6:1
How we view Torah is basic & colors everything we do or say about it. Do we view Torah as a valid guide to behavior because it is so beautiful and perfect or would we rather see it as God's imposition on our Freedom -- is it a prohibition against eating the bacon we love or is it the instruction of a loving Father?
Gal 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
As a Christian who keeps the meat dietary laws after debating over it for some time, in my understanding, what you eat won't make you go to hell or heaven (won't defile you as Jesus said). That being said, there are animals that simply are not meant to be eaten, that God didn't make to be eaten. And the nature of God's creation doesn't change with time.
All I know is that I feel terrible after eating bacon and ham! I absolutely love the taste, but just cannot eat them anymore. It could be the nitrates or preservatives, but I am quitting pork.
Yes, clean animals were for sacrifice and food as far back as Genesis. This is evident 1,000's of years later as the Levites were to have their portions from the animals sacrificed in the tabernacle. As far as I know unclean animals were never sacrificed in the tabernacle courtyard in the wilderness or the temples.
Great commentary!
Christians follow God’s son, Jeshua and Jeshua did what his father did. Therefore we Christians do what Jeshua did. True Christians are not connected only to Jeshua but also to his Father Yahweh. Once you believe you don’t question God because you understand God’s words.
Free the captives, deliver the oppressed, heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, bringing the Kingdom of Heaven to earth.
YAH bless you brother! Great response.
It's sad to see Dr. Brown fall into the same theological fallacies as the mainstream Christianity.
I also believe out of reverence for Yahweh and His concern for what we eat, we should abstain from unclean foods.
I am unable to connect it to a salvation issue.
How can eating pork render Christs sacrifice ineffective?
A very concerning assertion in my opinion.
David, you are a Man amongst Men, I could not be so respect full to this Man. I'm working on that. You are a light on how we treat the worldy man.
Praise YAH firmly Worship YAH humbley Give thanks for the Messiah Halalu-YAH!
It would seem weird to learn that eating pork makes a Jew unclean or defiled but has absolutely no effect on a Gentile! How much sense would it make for Christians to understand that a Jewish woman is ceremonially unclean during her period but to assume that does not apply to Gentiles women. There appears to be a gross and perhaps intentional misunderstanding of why God gave us the Old Testament. But that’s a topic for another day.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I do not recall a passage where God says He wants me to understand all His commandments, but I can think of many places where He says I’m to obey His commandments. Just saying..,
There are christians across the world who eat what is available to them. They're not keeping the dietary laws, may or may not even know them. Romans 14:17- "For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."
Who cares what a person eats? If a person wants to eat meats, or is a vegetarian, what difference does that make to another? The only time one person would choose not to eat or drink something that could offend the conscience of a weaker brother. That is choosing grace and love for a brother or sister.
Does Jesus say it is not what goes into a man’s mouth that defiles him, but what comes out??
Yes but that one verse is out of context
That statement is about the jews tradition in washing hands before eating. Not just washing but a ceremonial washing that is not in the law of moses, it's a man made law.
Its a complicated washing of hands
1Corinthians 10:23 Amplified Bible (AMP)
All things are lawful [that is, morally legitimate, permissible], but not all things are beneficial or advantageous.
Ignorance my friend
God never told Noah what kind of animals are to be eaten
He only prohibited eating blood with the flesh
In acts 15
Again
The Gentiles are not prohibited from eating pork and rabbit
They are prohibited from eating meat sacrifices to idols, blood and things that have been strangled
they were given 4 commandments in the law 'Torah" and then it says for Moses is preached every sabbath in the synagogue " meaning they will go and hear the Word of God and learn to hear and obey for sanctification halleluYaH
Great commentary, David!
I am a possible future Torah follower, but I have so many questions and don't know where to go for guidance. A question that comes to find because of this video would be, to what extent do you avoid unclean meats like pork? Pork is everywhere, in starburst, in grease that restaurants use to cook with, in welch's grape jelly, how do you avoid all of that?
I've been doing it for many years. You just do the best you can within reason. Some people can go overboard, but if you are just mindful about not directly consuming unclean animals you are doing okay. You get used to it, and it's really becomes not that big of a deal. When it comes to restaurants, you can simply call and ask what they use to cook their food if that might be a concern. You'd be surprised to learn that most places are pretty "clean." I don't get candy and stuff that has gelatin, but plenty of it doesn't. There are also kosher versions of certain candies that you can order online and such. If you want more info, a great book on this topic is J.K. McKee's "Messianic Kosher Helper."
Many questions indeed...
My advise is to be a Berean...
Prove any teaching through the Torah...
Many misconceptions come from not being well versed in the TANAKH.
As newcomers to Torah, we have a lot of catching up to do, in order to understand Scripture...🙏
@@shabbatsongs4801 @David Wilber I've been listening to videos all day mostly from Zach Bauer and I don't understand what is the consensus on the Trinity? I personally don't believe in the Trinity and see Yeshua as Jehovah's greatest creation and the Holy Spirit being the same but not separate from the Father. But what is the most common take in this movement?
@@rockingpox2274 Most Messianics (including me) affirm the Trinity as a biblical doctrine.
@@DavidWilberBlog Is there a specific idea of the Trinity that most adhere to? Like modalism or partialism? Or is it the same as what the Roman Catholic Church teaches? There are multiple places in your Bible, like in Proverbs 8 or in Colossians 1 that say that Yeshua was created in the beginning, and there are certainly mountains of verses that show God being superior
If one just looks at the health benefits and how taxing the 'forbidden' foods are, the dietary laws should /could be kept. Also, the anatomy and foods the animals eat have not changed unfortunately.
I agree and have been keeping the dietary laws a for years. How would you respond to people who say that I am “weak in faith” because of the scripture that says that we shouldn’t do things that make our fellow believers stumble?
I think the best way to respond would be to explain what Romans 14 actually means. In Romans 14, the "weak" refers to individuals who abstain from consuming (biblically clean) meat or wine bought in the Roman marketplace due to concerns about its dubious ritual purity status. This uncertainty stems from the possibility that the meat or wine might have been offered to an idol, leading some believers ("the weak") to avoid partaking in such things altogether. As in 1 Cor 8-10, Paul rejects the notion that food purchased from the marketplace is koinos (Rom14:14 often translates this as "unclean," but that is misleading. A better translation would be be "defiled" since Paul is addressing the notion of food being rendered ritually defiled by idols). That's who Paul is referring to as "the weak," not those who obey God's explicit food laws. See chapter 2 of my book "Remember the Sabbath." I also have a video going through Romans 14 on 119 Ministries' channel.
@@DavidWilberBlog thank you! I will look into those other resources you mentioned. Since we don’t have a Torah observant fellowship near us we go to a local church. One of my pastors preached about it at church and I have been not feeling great about it since.
@@FaithInEveryDay You're welcome. Would your pastor be willing to read my book if I gave you a copy to pass along to him? Feel free to email me on my website if you think that might be helpful. Despite the disagreements on this matter, I pray for peace and unity within your church community.
@@DavidWilberBlog Maybe shrug 🤷🏻♀️ I’ll email you.
I love how this kid totally butchered the Isaiah 66:17 text. He totally overlooks the religious nature of their action which also included eating pig flesh. Maybe God is destroying them for worshiping or engaging in the false religion?
So, you all call Paul a liar?
Maybe I’m stuck in a cloud of misunderstanding here but what about Romans Chapter 14?….
Here's a short video I did on that passage. In short, the Greek term used in Romans 14:14 does not refer to unclean animals prohibited in God's Law. It is a term that specifically refers to meats deemed "impure" according to extrabiblical tradition: ruclips.net/video/2zNrkUNsnZI/видео.htmlsi=Pqdy_LK8061xVtMM
Yes, I did like your response ,also, hearable as a teaching broadcast. Thank you.
Listening to this as a cook bacon and eggs with zero remorse or guilt.
Everything is permissible to me, but not everything is beneficial.
The law is death
Christ is life
Christ is king
It is not what goes in through the mouth that defiles a man but what proceeds from a man's mouth Mathew 15:11 don't push your emotions on others MESSAGE
You took that verse out of context. See Matthew 15:2 and Matthew 15:20. Yeshua is clearly talking about and correcting the Pharisees about "adding" a command to wash their hands before eating. Hope that helps.
David does not mention 1 Timothy 4:4-5
In Is. 65-66 sets out the last days judgement of Israel to repay Israel 'both your iniquities and your fathers' iniquities together.' This judgement would be when Israel would miss out on the wedding feast she was invited to in Is. 25:6-8, as stated in Is. 65:13-15, when she would be put to death and God's true people would be given a new name. The Lord discussed and developed this material in Mat. 8:10-12 where Israel 'the sons of the kingdom' would be cast outside as the gentiles come in, and Mat. 22:1-14 when 'the king was angry, and he sent his troops and destroyed those murderers and burned their city' and Mat. 23:29-39 when Israel would be repaid for filling up the measure [of the sin] of their fathers, of shedding human blood on the land, by means of the desolation of the Second Temple in the Lord's generation. This would be the wedding when Israel's foolish would be unprepared and have the door shut on them, Mat. 25:1-12.
Given this commentary and development of Is. 65-66 in the gospel, we can review the meaning of the judgement upon those who sacrifice and eat pigs. Israel's sin in Is. 65:2-5 is of those who thought that they were observing Torah correctly, but who are presented as offering ritually unacceptable sacrifices to YHWH. They were rebelling against YHWH while they thought that they were keeping his Torah. Their conduct is said to be offering sacrifices to YHWH which YHWH rejected as unclean, and their conduct that they claimed was holy, and holier than the others, was in fact iniquity to be repaid against them. Is. 66:3 makes this connection explicit: those who made grain offerings (i.e. according to Torah's ritual requirements), were offering pig's blood, not literally but metaphorically. The conduct that Israel would be repaid for, 'both your iniquities and your fathers' iniquities together' (Is. 65:6-7), was shedding the human blood of God's servants in Israel, which YHWH would repay Israel for, by shedding the blood of the bloodshedders, to atone for his land and his people (Deut. 32:43 (see NIV), Mat. 23:29-39. This context and commentary, therefore, explains that the true issue in Isaiah is not ritual purity about food and sacrifices but righteousness in matters of life and death. The diet of concern is not pigs flesh, but rather the predatory and deadly behaviour of the unclean animals that man was not to copy and that the animals themselves were spoken of as being redeemed from when 'the wolf and the lamb shall graze together; the lion shall eat straw like the ox' which is equivalent to 'they [i.e. the people, not the animals] shall not hurt or destroy
in all my holy mountain' (Is. 65:25).
Is. 65-66 explains itself well enough. It would be fulfilled when brother in Israel would rise up against brother, in the name of YHWH, yet YHWH would put them to shame (Is. 66:5). This was to be fulfilled when the Lord's words came to pass, when the Lord would bring not peace to the land of Israel but the sword of war (Mat. 10:34), and when 'a person's enemies will be those of his own household' (Mat. 10:36). For this sin of brother rising up against brother in the name of YHWH to put his brother to death, YHWH would cause the city to go into uproar, and YHWH would come to the temple and repay his enemies there (Is. 66:6).
The material about animals in the bible is loaded with symbolic meaning. Man is to rule over the animals, and not to become like an animal, particularly a predatory animal (which Torah designates unclean). When men rule over other men, and when they take human life, they become unclean animals. It is then the predatory animals inside us that need to be kept down, the animal crouching at our door, the animal of sin, Gen. 4:7. It is this that is the deceptive snake, telling us that we can dominate and rule over other men. It was these animals that came to dominate men in the form of political kingdoms that filled the land with violence and bloodshed. The flood was sent to destroy these beasts, and the men with them. The salvation of the animals on the ark speaks the word that the men had become worse than the animals, they had become predatory beasts on the land. The covenant with Noah was made with the animals, that they would fear man, and to hold the animals to account for shedding human blood. This accounting and repayment of the animals for shedding human blood, like the flood, was to be a mass judgement event, actually the second flood, to judge those who shed the blood of YHWH's servants, as set out in Deut. 32; Dan. 9; Is. 2-4; 25-27; 65-66 and elsewhere in Israel's last days at the fall of the Second Temple. It was the flood that would destroy the house of Israel, Mat. 7:24-27; 24:37-39. It was the dragon of Second Temple Israel that would pour out the flood of water to persecute the woman (true Israel, the new Israel), yet the wrath and flood would be absorbed by the land of Israel instead, Rev. 12. Those who destroyed the land of Israel would themselves be destroyed when the city of Jerusalem was judged for shedding the blood of the prophets (Rev. 11). Then would the beast be destroyed. The destruction of the beast, the carnivorous unclean animal, would then become the pleasing sacrifice and the food of the feast, Ez. 38-39; Rev. 19:17-21.
The dietary laws need to be read in their context about what God is truly concerned about: matters of life and death, and the gospel and the kingdom of God.
Explanation for gentiles in Acts 15:24, can you please explain? Thank you.
You must keep moral law. You don’t have to keep ceremonial laws
The Bible does not defrenciate between them
@@craiglees5631 It does in the text and in judgements. Gentile nations are never punished for not bathing correctly; they're punished for brutality, sexual immorality, human sacrifice, and demon worship
Hey David. Overall great video and I agree with your stance. I want to say that the remes argument is weak. I do agree that we can't assume remes means everything but we also can't assume it means clean only. But I agree that context implies that it might have meant only clean. I also agree that it's overall a moot point bc of the later commandments as well as your other points. Remes seems to be distinguished from wild beasts but also from livestock in the creation account. But they could potentially overlap or even all be somewhat synonymous if it's like poetic repition but I think the truth is probably we don't really know exactly which animals qualify as remes. I just would hate for anyone to hang the whole debate on the remes point. Anyways cheers Yah bless you
I don't view it a dietary laws but dietary recommendations...if a person is health conscious they will follow the recommedations
Food was defined in scripture 4 times. The last being John 6:55.
We are in a SPIRITUAL COVENANT with SPIRITUAL LAWS in a SPIRITUAL WAR with SPIRITUAL WEAPONS for a SPIRITUAL ETERNAL LIFE.
Those who say there is no clean and unclean animals. Invite them over to you’re house prepare a meal let them eat , and after they finish eating tell them it was a New York rat , and watch the trow up.
Jesus mentions David when He ate of the bread that was only lawful for the priest to eat. He didn’t say David was wrong. Sojourners were meant to follow the Jewish customs. They didn’t live like pagans amongst Gods chosen people. Pagan outsides Jewish land where not required to follow any Jewish customs but their different way of living was to point to God just as we Christians do today. The way we live should point people back to God and Jesus Christ 🙏❤️
This is probably silly but John wrote about unclean animals in revelations
Thank-you so much! I needed this information from a new angle.
I simply tell people Yeshua was saying that the food itself is irrelevant because what matters is the decision from the heart. The act of eating unclean meat or committing adultery is a symptom of something evil affecting the heart. Either the person is unsaved with no fear of God, or going through a moment of weakness, or believe what they're doing is not a sin hence a deception. And with Peter's vision I say it had nothing to do with food but Peter's prejudice against non-Jews. I then say pork meat is symbolic of the teachings of the world, and clean meat of God's teachings, and that when I choose to not eat pork at a buffet it reminds me to choose God's teachings to sustain me and not the world's. It acts as a kind of ritual, the same mentality is applied to doing communion.
I live in a big city and I have a small conundrum. What's your advice on the best place to buy baby goats for sacrifice?
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What do you make of Col 2:16?
I have multiple videos covering it in depth. Also see chapter 2 of my book “Remember the Sabbath.”
Didn't really like it tbh. Although you brought up good points it sounded more like what-about-ism and you didn't really have answers for the points he brought up.
One thing that God made clear to me is to not be impress with the educational biblical background of men, men with such education tend to interpret Scriptural to fit their own view instead of depending on the Spirit of God to enlighten one's mind with a true understanding of what God made clear when he first spoke.
With the above being said, what brown needs to understand is that God did not give the law to the Gentiles because he chose a people to separate them from the Gentiles who were lawless, and for them to one day teach the Gentiles about the law of God.
It is clear from Romans 2:12 that for as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law. The first part of this verse is stating that if you have no law you will not be judge, you will just perish and yes, the lawless will be cast into eternal damnation. How will God judge the lawless being that they have no laws? They will perish because they wanted nothing to do with God's law.
He also added, even as as the green herb. Poison ivy is a green herb, does this mean that one can eat poison ivy? No! Therefore, it is clear that when it states every moving thing that liveth shall be for meat for you it is talking about clean animals.
Yeshua said if you love me you'll obey me where do we learn how to obey but Torah
Not one pair of clean animals, but two
Genesis 7:2-3
1) You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; (7 pairs)
2) Two of each animals that are unclean, a male and his female (2 pairs)
Nothing like a good bible morning study with just layed eggs, bacon & coffee
Wouldn't the tearing down of the wall of separation factor in?
Noah knew what was clean and unclean. That's how he put the animals on the ark.
Are Christians living under the law of Christ like Apostle Paul in 1Cor9:21 or are we living under the law of Moses?
According to NT scholars, the law of Christ IS the law of Moses as interpreted by Christ. Paul literally equates the "law of Christ" with the "Law of God," which itself is equated with the Law of Moses in the NT, LXX, apocrypha, and Josephus. I explain in this short video: ruclips.net/video/TyXAgoDOksM/видео.html
We should not eat pork, or catfish or eel or shrimp, etc etc etc
Sorry but I think Brown is wrong on many things .
These debates he has is unprofitable.
Should be .
Face to face and question to question .
Anytime someone gets him in a bind he ends the conversation
and says he can’t help them because they won’t listen .
But the few I have heard , just ordinary people by the way ,
he treated rudely.
Tovia Singer has been running from him and *ANY* Hebrew speaker for 30 years
I want to ask a Torah question online not through text . Would you be willing
Send me an email through my website, and maybe we can set up a time to chat via Zoom for a few minutes. DavidWilber.com