Free speech and the price of defamation
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- Опубликовано: 2 ноя 2019
- In 2016 an African American student from Oberlin College in Ohio, trying to use a fake ID to buy wine, was taken into custody by police. The arrest prompted demonstrations that accused the store's owners of being racist. And while the student plead guilty, the store's owners sued Oberlin - claiming the college's support for the student protesters caused reputational damage - and were awarded $31.5 million. Senior contributor Ted Koppel examines the case, which poses a perhaps unanswerable question: What is the fair price for a family's good name?
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Dave Gibson died shortly after this aired. RIP. I feel sorry that he had to spend his last few years going through this.
It doesn't surprise me, he doesn't look well at all in that interview. Classic cardiac symptoms on his face. The stress must have been unbelievable.
Oh well. The bakery won. Hahaha
@@ms.pugsley They're being forced into bankruptcy because Oberlin is dragging its feet on paying. Oberlin won. Another small business is gone.
It is most unfortunate when people intentionally do wrong and then hide behind what they know will cause racial tension in society.
You mean, like this guy. Jussie Smollett.
Most Blacks (not all blacks) will always use the race card. They will always cry racism.
Privilege
We created the monster by making excuses for and giving passes for bad behavior of the demographic...
And the way that snowflake cries, as if it was such an injustice. When he knew damn well he did wrong.
Welcome to the social media age. So a brother gets caught stealing and the store rep gets dragged through the mud. I'm Black and I can see this is a load of BS.
Sam Jones love you buddy so glad you took the side of what was right! Being honest people are fed up with lies. Let’s stand together if a black man is wrong let’s all say it is wrong if a black man is not wrong let’s all black and white say he was not wrong people like you give me hope!
The White people assumed the student did not know right from wrong. The White people ruined the store's reputation and the student's reputation. I am glad the store won. The student needs to sue the school for racism.
Now this is a journalist. What happened to them all. We need Ted Koppels running news rooms and not iPhone generation kids chasing rage clicks
Free speech or not! People need to get the facts straight. Reputation is everything.
Reputation is not everything, and in order for it to have meaning it must be supported by the characteristics identified with that reputation.
Bill Cosby had a reputation of being America's dad, and a worthy inspiration of proper, respectful behavior. Reputations do not always reflect reality, and in cases like Cosby's end up protecting the most irreputable kinds of behavior instead.
Andrea Carrizal. The bible teaches us that we are not to worry about what others think or say about us.
There have been many incidences in this earthly life where certain people's reputation have been exalted to hero status only to learn later or even after their death they were not who we initially thought them to be, infact the exact opposite.
Therefore, we are to go about our business quietly and respectfully and keep our eyes fixed on Jesus.
We are not to be consumed by our reputation or indeed what our legacy will be but to trust unto the Lord.
@@bronxbearbud272 You are confused in your definition. Ever heard of the expression "Your reputation precedes you?" There's a basis for one's reputation that other people have seen. You cannot just say somebody is KIND if that person looks mean, talks mean, acts like meanness is their middle name.Good reputation cannot just be sullied by somebody twisting and slanting facts for their own purpose.
@@iceblue1457 the subject of reputation is a worthy one and deserves a more specific definition if it is to be used in a discussion of its merits and shortcomings. If we define reputation as a positively ascribed characteristic to someone based upon our positive judgment of that individuals beliefs and behaviors. To make such proper moral, intellectual and spiritual judgment it's a demanding task to say the least, and is very often that beyond our grasp.
Nevertheless, we use search incomplete, deliberately biased kinds of values which can be arbitrary, subjective and very questionable and is hardly the objective standard of value by which a reputation may be absolutely and properly claimed
The most important part of speech is truth. If you tell lies, it is not protected by the First Amendment.
Racial profiling only applies to innocent people of color who are accused of a crime they did not commit. Not people of color who are actually guilty of the crime there's a difference.
What’s people of color?
@@magnus08f250 black people Asian people Mexicans Native Americans Indian people from India.
@@magnus08f250 But technically black isn't actually a color just like white isn't actually a color those are pigments and I never understood why black people are considered color people but white people aren't cuz black and white are not actually colors.
@@mattmccullough1093 I just think it's a bad way to categorise people because it lumps everyone together who isn't white as if they have anything in common with each other.
Not criticising you by way just the term.
The school should not have had anything to do with the protest.
but you should right?
I agree but millions of dollars? It's absurd. Fire the dean of students. What should the Univ have done? retroactively taken the gloves back?
Not all protest for “correct” cause. Dean of students affairs should check the purpose and content of the protect before reimbursing anything!
@@TheRawBabe also African American is so dismissive of black people
The school helped in the defamation and stopped using the bakery for business. That is the essence of a defamation lawsuit.
I feel sorry for this family. Wish them health for the holidays🌷
That family owns property up and down that county they will be just fine. What is too bad is that the college reps and the owners of the bakery didn't come together and talk.
Tadzio5050 who cares if they own property or not, they worked hard for it and has nothing to do w the case of libel and defamation!
Tadzio5050 College reps and the owners of the bakery did come together and talk. Gibsons asked Oberlin for a public apology and admit they were wrong about the Gibsons being racist, but Oberlin wouldn’t, and continued to bully Gibsons, which is what led to the lawsuit.
@@twinkletoes6290 You are right.
@D. Steven When the students were protesting across the street, it was very clear the students were pushing the race issue when there is none. And the President had to side with the students because they have the same color. Makes us wonder what do they teach in that school about racial tolerance.
This kind of behavior is no different than yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
as a victim of slander at a young age , life taught me a lesson, always be neutral when someone says something. dont jump into conclusions
The longer the school takes appealing the case, the more the interest of 8% accumulates on the judgement.
Beep Bop On top of continued attorney's fees, it is the price you pay for being on the wrong side of a civil judgement.
@@motorcityquig I think it is 5% but the amount comes to about $4300/day (including weekends) on the current judgement. I am guessing that it will be raised or lowed depending on the results of the appeal and the counter appeal of the 3X punitive judgement being reduced to 2X.
Oberlin. Remember that name next time you read a resume.
"Political correctness is the elevation of sensitivity over truth." - Bill Maher
Adam, thank you for that quotation. It says it all.
POLITICAL CORRECTNESS is a term used by white men to shut the rest of us up. If you've ever been home for Thanksgiving or rode a downtown bus or been a woman you'd know it's not a real thing.
The antithesis of "political correctness" however - the evidence more than supports that it is no less problematic in disseminating false narratives (i.e. outright lies) than has been charged as the impact of suppressing blunt speech. What is just as real is the fact that so-called "frankness" and "candor" is unjustifiably attributed with representing truth telling, which is not an empirical absolute. Besides...Bill Maher is not necessarily someone I'm inclined to designate as being the Seer of all Seers.
The Oberlin president was asked about the racist charges concerning the Gibson's store. She talked of alleged previous incidents. She was asked to give specific examples (9:56) and was then decidedly _not_ specific in her vague reply. The problem with the lawsuit is that it could have an effect on what is protected free speech. Will I have the right to gather a group of people that protests Jane Pauley or will that be the result of a lawsuit? Also, when looking at the misguided and what is in effect a racist protest in front of Gibson's store, the other side of that same coin is the white employer who doesn't hire a black person based on some racist perspective. Lesson is: go by only what you know to be true of that individual. In some cases that may mean putting away your bias.
Surprised she did an interview undermining her own defense
She should be fired. Get the name of Oberlin even worse
The Oberlin College president could not give a clear, candid answer to very simple questions. If that were an internal investigation by the US Government, she probably would've been fired for lack of candor just like corrupt former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.
If I' may very deliberately use an incendiary phrase from a happily bygone era, a phrase which nevertheless continues to portray the characteristics of such behavior, this woman simply "shuck and jived" her way out of answering the questions, and nobody knows it better than she does herself, even as she struggles to present herself as being worthy of the reputation she claims. Any questions?.
@@bronxbearbud272 You may not.
When asked to cite the specific incidents that you said had slowing fostered an environment surrounding the Bakery that spurred on the vocal and sustained protests against this local bakery, her reply to the challenge, in which Kopel asked her to be "specific" , "what specific issues are you referring to"? Her response? "Well I think the specific incidents would be the perception among faculty, students, and staff that there had been disparate treatment in the bakery. And many students felt uncomfortable in the bakery".
Seriously? She can't cite even one incident of wrongdoing by the Bakery.
Because she, the administration, and the student body are colossal Maoist liars. Literally nothing they claim should be taken as fact.
Dwayne Coy The president is just another lying black
Gaia Barone They are prolific thieves too. President Ambar has probably shoplifted from Gibson's too.
Because... feelings.
Oberlin’s name is mud.
That’s funny because the name of the main library is the Mudd learning Center. lol
The college president was stupid for granting this interview and this is especially true with the pendency of litigation. She totally undermined the defendants' position via that single interview. All questions should have been fielded by the General Counsel of Oberlin College or the contracted law firms providing legal services to the school.
jpodell007 Except the ones that lost the case, of course.
jpodell007 The General Council released a statement to alumni right before punitive damages were awarded that basically insulted the jurors for not taking their side, which resulted in the jury awarding the full punitive damages. So Oberlin’s General Council doesn’t know how to handle PR, either.
@@falkenlaser Greatest email ever. Sent me into a coughing spasm when it hit my inbox. Some of us thought they were going for an "insanity" plea at that point.
Arrogance, nothing more.
People drinking the Kool- Aid, but not knowing the flavor..
Daimon Mario Perez cringe.
Such open minded and truth-seeking students and college. Ha ha ha
Americans are so angry at each other that they see everything in absolutes and jump into conclusions. CBS Sunday Morning, great show greetings from Mexico.
Americans agree work together help one another take in other people's children fight for each others rights to be heard love fiercely and give generously every single day of the year. The media covers car crashes and disagreements and it should not be confused with life here. Just as the Fox News version of Mexico shouldn't be taken as Mexico.
“Americans” this is one group trying to rob from a family business. Don’t generalize.
@@Tadzio5050lmao what an idiot
Well we know how she got her job? Shameful.
I lived near Oberlin for six years and visited at least twice weekly and have shopped at this store. What a great owner and family. This is simply a bunch of disorganized students with nothing to do....have you ever been in the area?
Steve Borne I like Aladdin’s.
The cancel generation.
The president comes off very badly here, trying to confuse the issues in a lawyerly way, but doing it very clumsily.
It is a mystery why the college keeps this alive instead of apologising, throwing Raimondo under the bus, and settling. They are clearly in the wrong and this ongoing story only damages their own reputation and brand.
There is only one reason that this woman was admitted to some law school and one reason that she was chosen to the leader of Oberlin.
J Till
That was not my implication. Don't embarrass yourself.
Oberlin needs to be shut down! Stop sending your children there.
The man arrested has the power to fix this with a few simple word...
He did, but Oberlin still refuses to acknowledge it.
Yes he should have told students not to protest.
I wish the bakery now owned the college.
A racist bakery isn't likely to exist around the corner from the most wokeass college in the country - so insane what was done to them.
It's sad that this ever happened...
it's sad your comment happened
I agree.I think it's a failure on all sides to sit down and communicate. The bakery and the school. As Carl Creighton has said part of the bakery success over the 100 years has been the univ.
It’s sad that thief stealing and also using fake ID
@@Tadzio5050 Not a failure on the bakery's side. They did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever. The STUDENT caused this entire incident and the school turned into a charade. Yes, $31 million is a fair price for nipping this racism in the bud.
It’s even more sad for color people go straight to discrimination on racial issues too quickly. Thief is thief. Anyone can be a thief and this time it was a student and just happened to be a colored person. That convict should apologize to the elders of the family immediately to show that he knows “stealing is wrong”. Period👿
Definitely a case of emotional overreaction before everyone understood the facts of the matter. If the young man was indeed guilty of shoplifting, and the evidence seems clear, then these kids should have been gathered by the college to explain the facts of the matter, and that protesting with false information will only lessen the punch of the protesting and make future such shows only exercises in futility. Save the power for when it is needed and stop wasting their time and effort.
I agree. The college needs to make this right publicly. It seems the students who protested never heard the truth.
@@ellek8703 They WOULDN'T hear the truth if you used a megaphone. They don't want facts. Blacks are truly racist and pushing a false narrative wherever they can. Just look at all of the racist black channels on youtube. You won't fine ONE "white supremacy" youtube channel or article on the internet for that matter. Blacks are totally unreasonable people.
Color ppl somehow indeed too sensitive and too easy to call the racial card. But we’ve got to reconcile eventually to be good neighbors to each other🙏
I don't like to hear generalizations about any race. I think the kids saw the thief get caught and wrongly assumed the thief was being attacked. This narrative spun out of control with a mob mentality.
@@ellek8703 Seems to be what occurred at least with the information given in this piece. But if you take a gander at the anti-white channels plastered all over RUclips you will certainly see the same hatred and libel being spewed that was witnessed in this so called "protest". It is a problem and I won't tolerate it.
Can’t believe the dean is actually insinuating that the store has racist tendency while the school is still appealing, kind of proving what the school is accused of.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
the bakery in colorado appealed to the supreme court... so it's not unheard of. The kid lied and essentially caused the issue. Have businesses been accurately accused of bias. Yes, they have. The school was caught in a no win situation and the student who lied put them into that position.
Buzz Lightyear - That’s stupid. Wouldn’t any lawyer tell them to shut up?
Student is criminal. Kick him out of school immediately
@@TheRawBabe If you kicked every kid who broke the law out of college, they'd all shut down. Remember, you'd have to expel every underage drinker, jaywalkers, pot smoker and illegal parker.
It would be far more constructive and educational to make them face the legal and life consequences for what they do; including the shoplifter, the protesters who libled and slandered the Gibsons and the administrators who supported them . Personally, I'd like to start with the 3 young women at the front of the protest. I wonder how they'd feel about being doxxed like they basically did to the bakery and possibly the 93-year-old Mr. Gibson.
Don't forget, Oberlin is an $80,000 per annum private college. Every one of these students is incredibly privileged.
So sad for this family. May they continue to hold their heads high❣
The guy used a fake ID to buy alcohol. He broke the law. How is that racist.
Oberlin should just have stayed out of it. They should cover the loss of profits. If that’s 1 mil or 200k cover it.
It’s interesting that common bakers and jury members show greater intellect than the students or leadership of Oberlin college.
Good! Oberlin is responsible
So sad. Screaming fowl and racists all the time is a cry wolf scenario. When real racism happens then no one believes them. So sad, we need to get it together people!
My heart goes out to the Gibson family whose delicious pastries I enjoyed for four years. Shame on Oberlin. Utter shame. May it be consigned to the list of failed institutions for having forsaken education for indoctrination.
Sunday Morning is the best journalism left on TV
@Marcos 989 - the old school journalists are so good its scary 💕
Sue Oberlin. Kick the "students" out for slander.
This President is still libeling the store "What's the specific instance prior?" ... "Specific instance is our general perception."
Well done. A careful analysis of a difficult topic to talk about. This should make even the most idealistic undergraduate think twice (at least we hope).
I miss Nightline with Ted Koppel.
Buzz Lightyear - What does that have to do with this story?
I don't
GH1618 to infinity
Same❣
These students went off not knowing what happened all they wanted to do is scream racial profiling and destroy these people's lives. And this school went right along and supported the students 100 percent. They need to pay. The Dean that is there now doesn't know a damn thing of what she's talking about.
lol it's supposed to be a bad thing when a university supports its students. you silly. Oberlin is Oberlin University, this business wouldn't have existed without the college, they go on CBS Sunday Morning to smear the college after they already got 31 million dollars... Retire! Move to the moon and start a business there where you don't have to worry about working with people! some people, you silly brotard
Expel the convict student. Issue a statement to apologize for the wrongdoing of their student for a planned crime and stealing behavior. Be a good parent/school🧐
@@carljcreighton Extremely Low IQ comment. The business has existed for 100 years and they havent received any money from this college as they are fighting the verdict.
@@TheRawBabe and pay the money
@@carljcreighton Yes it is a bad thing when a college aids it's students in slandering a business. It is not smearing Oberlin to tell the truth about them.
Ted Koppel, 1 of the best journalist. Case when the "need of racism exceeds the supply"
Excellent job Ted Kopple and CBS news, this story was fair and well researched! I’m glad you were fair to the true victims here.
Every single person should be sued by Gibson’s that was out there protesting.
Lisa Don'tU wish: Absolutely, they all defamed Mr. Gibson.
Frances Castillo Confiscate the Pell Grant from the Black students
The day is young.
Previously working at a retail store, I stopped a brazen shoplifter loading up a shopping cart up to over $1000 worth of items. Then trying to run out of the store. I out-ran her at the door and stopped her at the door with my outstretched arm. That was all that was needed to stop her. I'll let you guess her race.
Colin Flaherty videos.
I spent 14 years on hemo-dialysis and learned how many people walking around were on dialysis. I guarantee that you pass someone each day (on foot or behind a wheel) with something like cancer or dialysis and not even know it. Always remember to respect strangers because they could be suffering. No matter the age. Like the gentleman here with cancer. And be careful not to assume.
Shlisa Shell hope you're doing better today!!❤️❤️
We visited Oberlin a couple years ago when my daughter was looking at colleges. Without realizing it, we walked into Gibsons and bought some food. I'd heard something about the incident and when I realized this was the store, I was especially happy that we'd chosen to buy from them.
Even my daughter, who's really, really liberal, thought the Oberlin campus was much too PC. I believe we heard there were protests about serving sushi or Mexican foods in the cafeteria because that was cultural appropriation.
The fact that Oberlin has not paid up is disturbing.
This is terrible! From the thief, the protesters, to the school president. They should be ashamed.
Those protesters are so annoying
"The righteous hates falsehood,
but the wicked brings shame and disgrace."
--PROVERBS 13:5
Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.psalm 137:9
@@rebelheir252
That's interesting that you should pull that one passage out of context.
What was your motivation in singling this one line from a portion of scripture, minus any context?
How knowledgeable are you? Can you now explain what is going on in this Psalm and what the meaning is?
Mike Bennett context. Because the creator of the universe needs it for his message to be understood. Sounds legit
@@rebelheir252
Is that your actual answer? Because you sound as though you have no clue about its true meaning.
Why don't you want to understand what it TRULY means?
Mike Bennett so you’re saying that there is false meaning? Interesting, things that are open to interpretation are usually non factual but mere opinions. Think about how dumb it would be to say that you’re not getting the true meaning of gravity, therefore you can jump off a building and you won’t die, we know that gravity is true and it’s not open to interpretation
“Be specific about the incidents”
“Right, we’ll the incidents is that there is a perception….”
That’s the opposite of specific. This lady stinks and they need to cough up the money they owe the store
The most appalling part is that tuition at Oberlin is over 50K a year.
use a fake ID and stealing bottles that he admitted to.
Wonder if he voted for Brandon with the fake ID 🤔
Excellent piece 💕
hated it
Carl Creighton why did you hate the piece? I thought this special was really well done, but something leaves me feeling a bit unsettled about it.
@@waynethepoet88 Hate is a little strong but there are a few reasons to be disquieted about the way this story was told. The lack of journalistic objectivity is pretty disturbing. Old white guy reporter falls in love with old white guy bakery owner and advocates for his position throughout the story. B. How in the name of sliced bread can you be a journalist and only include 3 sec about free speech. C. Penn State got penalized by the NCAA for 60 mill. and that was for the rape and sexual assault of children. Kinda puts the verdict here into perspective. 4. What was the misidentification in the arrests? Reporter didn't bother with that but then again it's just another black kid and you've got bakery owner and his family to bond with. One of the worst stories I've seen Sunday Morning do in a while. Objectivity would have made the whole thing more compelling.
Female juror is color minority OK. No discrimination but bias from yourself cuz you’re a racist
Tadzio5050 Thank you. Honestly, I knew I felt slightly OFF about the piece, I just couldn’t articulate why BECAUSE I think I felt ashamed. I am on the store owners side here. I feel more for him than I do the young man who got arrested for Committing a crime. And in these cases, as a black man, it’s usually the opposite. But everything you stated is totally on point and I agree with.
Very interesting story; a lot to unpack. Reminds me of the recent confrontation concerning the highschool boys in DC. We all mustn't be too quick to judge even in this fast-paced, social media world that seems to reward us to do so.
Trust ourselves, rather than be used by others
You know, from the first time I saw that story, I never thought that boy was the aggressor. People kept talking about the smirk on his face. I didn't see his expression as a smirk, but rather as the uncomfortable look teenaged boys get when they have no clue what they should do. He was even flushed.
Raising 3 boys gave me some experience with that look. Considerably more than Kathy Griffin, for one.
@@fighthypocrites7036 CNN has settled it out of court. Don't know what amounts were involved but I am guessing in the same neighborhood of the Gibsons-Oberlin judgement. Still waiting to see what the Washington Post and the other defendants decide to do. I hope they go to discovery. Oberlin was foolish to let it ever go there. Now that their internal workings are public record, it will never be the same for them again.
@@robertslugg8361 I saw that on the news Thursday and am thrilled. I know it's standard not to disclose settlement amounts, but I hope this was a whopper. The original Sandmann suits only asked for an apology but these "news outlets " arrogantly refused. Unfortunately, it had to go this far to get their attention.
They were completely irresponsible, put that boy in danger and Did. Not. Care.
R.I.P DAVE GIBSON🙏
The irony of the protestors screaming no justice no peace to protest a bakery who just wanted to stop someone who shoplifted from their store. This was not an unjust action on the part of the bakery.
Jussie Smollett?
This is a very good report. Cuts right through all the clutter and the spin. Thank you!
What is a Oberlin College degree worth now? Not much I gather.
The school and every student that was there should be held accountable, not just the school.
Oberlin is wack, yo. I can't believe I almost went to college there.
Glad CBS was unbiased in this report. Well done
I thought it was only racist to accused an innocent black person of a crime they did not commit. When did it become racist to accuse someone who was actually guilty of the crime.
RIP David Gibson. Time for Oberlin to pay up.
"Give me some specific examples". She responds with vague hearsay. President of a college material?
She is an attorney with poor debating skills.
How many racist incidents have been reported over 100 years?
How many incidents have underage kids/college students tried to buy alcohol or steal alcohol over the years?
Its possible that the person working could have had a bad day or may be fighting cancer, therefore maybe didn't smile or be jolly the day you went in to the store. Why wait till this issue to then comment, why didn't they comment when it happened to them.
Why support a protest where a student was breaking the law?
Playing adversary and playing victim seem to go hand in hand.
Who is the psycho at 2:16 crying over something she THINKS she saw? Good Lord get a grip gal and get your facts straight.
The students admitted to shoplifting they admitted to the crime so racism has nothing to do with the situation.
i have friends who live in hillsdale, michigan and we made it a point to visit gibson's and give them our business. i also wear their gibson cap because i want to let others know i supported them.
it's scary how an institution such as oberlin has so much influence and appeal to our young people. hope things get better before we need another revolution.
aSsAuLtEd ThEm FoR nO rEaSoN
Her performance here is borderline disgusting. She does not deserve either her position or respect from anyone.
BLACK PRIVILEGE.
I think the protesters should be accused of racism for lying because it's also racist to accuse someone of being a racist when they're not a racist FYI.
Just found out that the owner is battling pancreatic cancer. I needed a moment to let that sink in.
If you're afraid of the police, why would you steal and use a fake id?
I don't quite see the connection. Down through the decades there have probably been millions of underage people use a fake I.D. while at the same time fearing the possible consequences should they get caught. One such person is composing this comment.
@@mikewalters3048 I hear you say that you would rather use your fake id and risk getting caught. That's your choice.
@Elle K You asked a question, why would someone use a fake I.D. if they are afraid of police? You asked as though it is a demonstration of near insanity. In fact it comes down to the reward is at least seemingly worth the risk. It is not an unusual occurrence, especially for someone young. Yes, it is a choice.
@@mikewalters3048 You agree with me but you can't see it. For you, you are not afraid for your life if you use a fake id. For you the pros outweigh the cons.
The thief claimed he didn't know why he was being arrested and was scared. It got the kids around him to believe he was unfairly treated when he in fact stole from the store.
@Elle K I have no idea what you are talking about. You asked, why would anyone use a fake I.D. when they are afraid of police? I attempted to answer that question. I have neither agreed or disagreed with you because you have not stated a position. You have simply asked a question. Now in your last comment you given an opinion on what took place during the incident. I have no comment on that.
I agree with the conclusion of the story. Oberlin should not have paid for food, gloves, etc. And because they did, they are on the hook.
That said, I felt the reporting was stilted. I didn't feel that the "possibly-related" neck injury (yes, very sad) or pancreatic cancer (also sad) were not directly relevant to the story of the protest.
I agree, the sad injuries made the reporting of the story seem too one-sided and weren't relevant at all
cancer can be brought on by stress
I am so glad they sued and I am so glad they won!!
Oberlin college is responsible because you expect stupid young people to act like stupid young people…..but it is up to the adults to look at facts and influence a mature, educated and informed response!!!
Any excuse to get more white people free money, right?
Young people go off without knowing FACTS. They wronged this business, and the college helped them.
Despicable.
A few students and a few faculty just destroyed a century old school.
This woman is arrogant and just ready to play a victim.
Hope Oberlin College goes Bankrupt.
Not likely with an endowment of almost $1 Billion.
This is what comes of people believing their thoughts without investigating them to see whether or not they are even true, and taking things personally and flying off the handle to feed the ego. People who would rather be right than content.
The students were in error, the college was in error.
Blessings All🧚♀️
Wow. Excellent piece as usual. A school for indoctrination.
Tony Joe Stop it. You know full well that student should have been given those bottles of wine, gratis, with no ID check. And you know why. We need to keep the peace.
We are becoming an oversensitive society.
Rest In Peace David and Allyn Gibson. Your good name lives on!
The specific instances are the perception of being treated differently? That isn't a specific instance.
The difference between Ted Koppel and todays main steam liberal digital media is amazing. We miss you Ted
Shame on those thieves, the dean, all those bad bloods at the protest, and the college. They don’t feel wrong of what they did, the college pushed all of to the students even the dean at that time was fully supporting the students action. She as the dean of the college is responsible, she is still responsible today and for the rest of her life regardless of where she try to hide. This new woman is just showing the world that the college has no wrong doing. Who want to receive education and degree from a college doesn’t right the wrong? They are still wrong.
This issue of “racist history” is separate from the initial law enforcement stop. What was seen was “mob justice “ with SNAP judgement and demand for “punishment” based upon (very) limited information and the current (corrective/restitution) atmosphere.
This lawsuit seems to be about consequences - of jumping to conclusions with limited facts
This lawsuit is about how much is whiteness is worth.
@@OnlyLoveCan38 There you go. We start with the presumption in towns like this especially that whiteness is worth and great great deal. The gold standard. What was the mis-id in the arrest that reporter too in love with bakery family to tell us? Does anyone know? Sunday Morning, you can do better.
Libel case is civil court. Not criminal
@@THXx1138 Well, ok then...
@@OnlyLoveCan38 That is the stupidest comment ever on youtube. Now that is an accomplishment.
Meanwhile, over two years after this video, the college still hasn’t paid up and the Dean who led the protests has a new cushy job at a different college in Georgia.
So from the Dean of Students at Oberlin Collage, the “specific examples” are the “general opinions” of unidentified individuals. Ask me how much value I’d put in an Oberlin Collage degree on a resume.
As a black guy. I'm sorry for this. Smh. I have no words.
As a Black Guy...is a stupid, completely irrelevant commentary.
@Marcos 989 oh yeah i do. These type of people makes us look dumb. If not it wouldn't be a story about race . Race wouldn't be brought into it. Most black people are nice and kind. But the world thinks we are like these people in the story. Don't believe me look at the comments in these shootings that's been happening. As an adult we have a responsibility to stand up to people like you and people in the story.
@@ThomasFromTN tell me why was race brought into it if they believed it racially motivated. What a stupid comment
@@klsounds No. I don't. I am white, and I blame it on the white racist people at the school. People of color need to quit listening to them.
It is almost satirical to print letters with a star on it saying "Don't buy here!".. I think we've seen that before in history
How noble of the college to not condone shoplifting or bad behavior by its students. Apparently spreading lies is no longer considered bad behavior.
Maybe don’t steal and u won’t have to deal with the police. 🤡🤡🤡
"There has been some debate about whether it was shoplifting or a false ID.."
"Well it was both"
"Right."
She's just trying to muddy the waters