pedo is only with prebuscent children, A 60 year old man who is still handsome and has a fit body and eat clean, May be able to attract 18 year olds. Thats not pedo. is legal age of consent. Some people will argue points that cant be proven like nueroplasticy of the human brain vs natural biologiy,
@@genovasquez8361 I think the point is that people will justify anything if they want to and have enough people to back them up on it. There are still people who don't see the issue with a 40 year -old with a 6 year old and will justify it. Where do we truly draw the line? Who is to say in a few years it will no longer be illegal in the US?
@@lisacox3750 man a 6 year old ain't got no period..ain't went through puberty and can't have a baby. Biology doesn't even allow that to work.. That's too dog gone far. That's the pure definition of peda.
I don’t like the transactional sex wave to be honest, people are acknowledging that we are sexual beings yes but not acknowledging other peoples feelings. Everyone is ready to admit that people have sexual “needs” but they’re not willing to admit what a what their needs are after the sex.
We can’t normalize bad behavior. We justify it by saying “it’s just the way it is” Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should. Is it worth selling yourself for money?
I mean, why not. Moral "imperatives" are not real. They're social constructs. If something can vary with time, place and culture, it's not absolute, so why are you trying to use it as doctrine?
@@seismic6435 Social constructs may not be "absolute" or real in the physical sense but they most certainly shape reality and culture. We know that race is a social construct and the definition has shifted over time. In the present day, it is a major factor in how we are perceived by others and it impacts our lives on a daily basis. Slavery is considered immoral today because we know better.
@@GeeBee212 correct race is social construct that should have never been created, we are the human, speaking as someone who is consider a black man, i use that term for others to relate only. How ever i am American. We have these social constructs that puts us in box. The terms for race and ethnicity needs to be abolished. Morality and Taboos are simply social constructs to push and control the masses finacially and spending habits. Many things revolving relationships are based off controlling the spending habits of the masses. Hence why the push for men to get married to older women over 30 who seem to be more spend happy. An the push to get men to focus on getting higher paying careers so they have more spendable income with these older women. A much younger woman doesnt have the desire to spend frivilously as a woman over 30. The man in crisis hot button is addressing the growing number of Gen Z men who are 18 to 33 and still virgins and sexless Declining number of male college students The great resignation where men are opting out working More men are living at home with their parents til age 40 More men are living on government assistance and have no desire to ever be indepdant More men are choosing life long celibacy Growing numbers of men who simpyl dont want marraige and dont see the purpose. Men are simply giving up because what they desire in a wife is not attainable or not available. i for one will only marry a woman 24 years of age and under. im not marrying a woman in my age bracket.
@@seismic6435 correct the ideology of morality and acceptability politics is the slippery slope. The nature of sexual freedom is for women to do what men, while the otherside of the coin is men need to have sexual discipline and restraint and self control, While women are encouraged to have 304 phaase Experiece different men so you know what you like sexually Date multiple men hot girl summer Where as men are told to be in self control of their urges. an only care about what the woman wants. Your sexual needs and desires should only to be a faithful man once a woman has experienced enough sex and is ready to settle down and get married
@Seismic64 so just because something is a social construct it shouldn't be followed? That logic doesn't flow. Law is a social construct too and so is language. In order for society to work some things must be followed because when that's not the case then there is a lot of Grey area and that's not what society operates off of
The lady in beige, in the video, was speaking straight truths and it offended more of the group than it should have because half of the group is queer. When the woman spoke of it going into sexual immortality, that falls into sexual lifestyle choices (which they knew that). The women with blue braids and the man is the brown/black sweater were offended. Again, i have to side eyed the lady with the blue braids because she knows that sexual immorality canNOT be defended. Too much oversimplification and denial in life choices that we have made for ourselves. And YES, porn IS real life. Men will, without consent, try and use or display those same sexual actions seen within those videos on a woman/girl in related situations. The Porn industry is very powerful in shaping this nations mind on the state of what we think is sexual education or a real time representation of what sex is. If we are really honest and truthful, we will call it what it is-which is a SIN. Sexual expression before it is appropriate, consenting and or a act out of mature reasoning and awareness is a risk without reward. I liked the idea of the conversation but it lacked truths and was filled with what i believe to be self justictions and watered down views for the sake of being PC.
Someone who has a shirt written “She/Her” you cannot expect anything good, logic and moral from her. And I totally agree with what you said porn is real life and her exemple is so inaccurate. We need to do better as a society, we are over sexualized, and what makes me sick sex was made to procreate but people made everything about pleasure.
They didn't want to hear that in the video. When the lady in beige spoke on that, some got offended. Sexually immorality destroys nations. It's not offensive. We are normalizing too much and then we get upset with the world when it blows back in our faces.
@@TheMilky1way morality in general terms is agreed upon by majority of members in a society. The laws of our nation are founded on a variation of Christian doctrine. That’s why we don’t live in a lawless society where people rape and murder without consequence
There was nothing wrong with them trying to get clarification from the young lady with the dreads, but the fact that it was so confusing to the others what she meant by going down a sexually immoral path that she had to repeat it several times speaks DIRECTLY to her point.
She definitely DIDN’T specify what she meant by sexual immorality because sexual immorality looks different for many different people. That’s why they asked her to explain FURTHER
There’s a huge wave of “sexual liberation” but most people don’t even know or understand how to be sensual. How can you be sexually liberated if you can’t even tap into your sensuality. I guess that speaks into that transaction dynamic but we still have a way to go. IMO.
THIS!!!! A lot of "sexual liberation" imo are people living out their sexual depravities, unaddressed sexual trauma, narcissism/desire to control others etc. Anyone that can't see that is sus and should be avoided. Sex is not child's play, and treating it as something devoid of meaning is EXTREMELY harmful.
As black people we definitely are over sexed we were raped for years and as soon as we got off the plantation black men started pimping out black women. Some people literally feel like sex is all their good at. Most people focus on sex before their own personal growth.
Oversexed? Maybe. I think ppl attracted to children actually need help. It’s not really a sexuality. Bc that implies mutual and informed consent. Children don’t know this and shouldn’t know this. Also can’t neglect the std conversation. Like how ppl aren’t protecting themselves like they should. Not all porn is bad or unrealistic. There’s some gentle, romantic porn as well. But overall I think love is lacking. And this is the result of it.
"If you want to cripple a nation, make the children sexually immoral." She said enough right there. Be clear that I agree wholeheartedly that consenting adults of whatever gender or sex absolutely have the right to explore their sexuality in the way that they wish. We have to remember though that just three generations ago, a 16 year old marrying a 30 year old was normal. During the period when Black people were enslaved, in the Americas and Caribbean, the exploitation and abuse of our children was at its highest.
When the average life expectancy was 40, it's not shocking that people got married younger. We're going backward. Instances of 16-year-olds marrying 30 year-olds shouldn't happen in 2023.
@@MrDMC11889 I agree that it shouldn't happen in 2023 but these "relationships" never went away. They just went underground. Interesting that a 16 year old who commits a serious crime is mature enough to be sentenced to life in prison but not mature enough to make decisions about their sexuality. So many mixed messages.
@@MrDMC11889 i agree we should go by legal age of consent, when i met my wife she 18 years old and i was 30, those two years make a difference. i prefer women 18 to 24 years old. im 46 years old now
Them pushing back on pedos being a sexuality is sick. It makes me question their morality. And brushing it off saying it happens all the time and some ppl are attracted to children and it’s ok is beyond sick. Ppl like that are only supporting it because they do it or want to do it. Idk any mentally stable adult that thinks that’s ok. 😡🤬
Thank you 1000% I totally agree. I am shocked as a mom that there's barely any comments like yours in this section. This really turned me off and I un subscribed. I'm literally dumbfounded how they pushed back on her about this topic. I'm losing more faith in humanity daily.
No one on the show condoned or pushed back, saying that pedophilia is ok. It was explicitly said that it is not ok and that people who have those thoughts should not be acting on it. Can you tell us what part exactly you are referring to where someone said that it was okay?
I thought I was the only one. They got offended when the lady in beige made some really straight points about sexual immorality going too far and how it affects us in the long run. It destroys nations.
@@strangerfruituniverseThe girl with the blue braids literally interrupted the lady with the tan sweater when she stated that ppl are attracted to children by saying “and that’s okay”. Then the lady in the tan sweater repeated what she said and said “that IS okay but..” So, no. You’re wrong. Play it back.
I hope y’all touch upon sex and porn ADDICTION in the next part, because those are serious issues that’s affecting people younger and younger. Addiction as it relates to sex is often brushed over in these types of conversations. It’s an issue not many even realize they have. And the cultural consequences of it...
I will NEVER understand pedophilia BUT great for Dr. Donna Oriowo for pointing out that our society DOES sexualize the teenage body because Hollywood definitely has. Britney Spears, Mischa Barton, Brooke Shields-- basically almost all teen stars were sexualized back in the day ---maybe not overtly but they were sexualize. I think in our minds 17-year-olds can be sexualized and it's ok because a LOT of people, even Beyonce and DC were seen as sexy when they were 17/18.
.....and? Clearly those child stars shouldn't have been exploited in that manner. We know that Hollywood and Disney are filled with ped0s, which is the more reason we must continue to resist the normalisation of such moral depravity.
Sex is wack. I rather have someone’s company and not have sex and don’t want to talk about it. I stay way from people that always talk about it. It shows that they don’t have growth and education to talk about anything else.
Hey Brooklyn! Thank you for watching! This was indeed a tough conversation as we went into pretty taboo spaces, but the message here is to ask ourselves if we are "sexually liberated" or over indulging. Part 2, out next week, dives into hook-up culture.
Education at home is key and I feel like younger people are not mentally mature or mentally developed enough to handle the emotions or consequences of having sex. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Years down the line people who wait usually don't regret waiting, many people regret doing it to soon.
I really believe Nikki is on point when she explained her view on sexual liberation after Donna said her part. Donna doesn’t think we’re oversexed because it’s always been this way except now it’s more visible and publicized. She doesn’t agree that oversexualization is a thing then because sex anything is being imposed on kids and adults in all media. Donna seems to agree more with peoples free expression but she doesn’t seem to link the risks and issues that come with imposing sex in areas of onlyfans, or media. She’s giving off leniency towards it. And she expressively said “people are” attracted to children. Like it’s understandable that you said that to inform viewers that that type of attraction is real, but I would appreciated if you backed it up with a statement like, “that is not appropriate behavior or thoughts regardless of weather acted upon or not.” Why not follow that up with a clear statement so no person could question for a second that maybe “im not too wrong to think this way.” Not Making it clear at that moment can give some people an idea that they have someone not holding them accountable for once. Kumoyo who talked about having sex with a much older man, it was very disturbing. And instead of your Aunt comfortably giving you a condom, she should have sat you down and talked in depth on why u would need it, when u should do it, and what it means to use it, instead of her deciding to act like the “cool aunt”. That’s where the problem is. She probably thought she was being the cool aunt and helping do something she knew your parents wouldn’t allow, meanwhile she is unintentionally exposing you to something you aren’t informed on.
You echoed my thoughts. I also got confused when Donna threw in the statement, "Research has shown babies masturbate in the uterus." Ummm okay and then? It just left a weird taste in my mouth, like I wonder where she was going with that.
Hello(Kumoyo here) Thank you for engaging and watching the conversation!I would like to clarify that my Aunt didn’t know I was having sex with older men when she had told me to get condoms.I was 14 and she gave me an honest conversation where she said “I know you’re going to have sex and if you do use condoms”Her telling me this made me feel like I could come to her when I lost my virginity and I told her.She didn’t call me names instead she embraced me with love. The truth is most teenage girls when I was growing up where involved with older men,I know this is disturbing to hear but this is the reality of so many of the girls I grew up with.Also,I was called fast a lot as a teenage girl by adults who actually didn’t sit down to ask me why I was so sexual at such a young age.
@@kumosunfilteredconvospodca9615 Hi. So I think there are two things we can take form that: 1. Aunts or family members or anyone who gives a child condoms must explain why and how a condom may be used in any capacity and 2. the risks of engaging in that activity both physically and emotionally. And a route away from girls engaging with older men because their experience in life don’t match up.
I really disagree with Donna's view on the current status of sex liberation. Whilst sexual liberation and the seeking of sexual pleasure has always been there (the good, the bad and ugly) I think it has become too readily available and that is worrying when it comes to minors who could be easily taken advantage of through the internet. Predators and perverts have always existed but its a bit scary to know that a potential molester is one click away from your 12 year-old daughter's fingertips. On Kumo, I appreciate her honesty and I admit there are so many stories out there where young teenage girls (below 16) date men over 21 but man, please let us not coddle such stories. By law, that is still molestation even if it did not "feel" that way. Thank you for selecting this topic, I do wish however the participants didn't skate around certain issues.
Hello Kumo here! I felt it was important for me to share the part of teenage girls having sex with older guys because this is the reality.As a victim and survivor of sexual abuse part of why I was sexually active at such a young age was because of the abuse I faced earlier on.I didn’t know that me having sex with older men was part of my trauma until later on in life as an adult.My intentions were not “coddle”the conversation of teenagers having sex with adults rather it was for me to bring awareness that this is something that’s still happening today. I’m actually dealing with the fact that I was sexually assaulted by grown men but at that time it didn’t feel like it was rape because I liked it. So there’s so much to unpack there to of why it’s also important to have conversations with our youth about age,consent and what sexual abuse is/looks like.
@@kumosunfilteredconvospodca9615 Thanks Kumo for the clarification and thanks again for sharing your story in the discussion. I am sorry to hear about your experience with sexual abuse as a child.
Sigh, we are acting like bell hooks never existed. I would prefer a conversation to be grounded by some actual visionary feminist scholarship. I appreciate the panelists that introduced the idea of sexual immorality as a tactic that can be introduced in a population to deter it, and how that’s influenced by capitalism and media. We have white supremacist capitalistic, patriarchal informed sexualities.
💯 agree with the lady in the beige/patterned glasses. She didn't mince her words. She was VERY CLEAR. it's clear that some ppl in the room clearly don't take issue with ppl who are ped0/ped0-leaning and that's alarming.
I don’t understand how you bring up Leonardo DiCaprio dating a 25 year old as the same as a pedo being attracted to children. It’s not the same! It is also a complete double standard!!! If you are going to talk about Leo, talk about Cher and Madonna dating men in their 20s but let’s not act like an adult finding a 5 year old attractive is the same with two consenting adults dating regardless of the age gap.
Yes. In the sense that the marketing and culture of sex is, like porn, "all pleasure, no effort, no consequence". And that's a dangerously naive mindset to be pressured into by media and culture.
My friend and I had this discussion last year. I was born in 72,' and he was born in 62'. A decade between us, we still had similar stories about catch a girl, get a girl. We agreed that back in our childhood the black kids were hypersexual.
I like how Dr.Donna said beings are sexual beings from birth to death. I have a friend who used to work in sex work and is so concerned and paranoid when her child has touched herself with a toy in the bath or acknowledged she had genitalia, its confronted with “who taught you that” or “where did you learn that from” and it’s interesting to hear those exaggerated assumptions before acknowledging we are just all sexual beings. And how is that harsh boundary of shame or those Inclinations of being unnatural if coming from inside yourself and not solely from the outside internalized
Children need to be told the names of their body part, the purpose and not cute names and also that adults are not to touch and to tell even if theatened and taught manipulation techniques by adult men and women
I think this conversation is generational because what determines if something is “too much”, is solely based on SOCIETY and its societal standards. What is deemed “normal” vs “deviant” in todays terms now “immoral” is always subjective & will always change with the times…
Two things can be true sex is great and its natural. However if not done correctly, it can be harmful. Therefore, real coversation are needed. Like if you are a parent of a teenage if they become pregnant you now have a additional child to care for plus dealing with the emotional development and stress of the parent who is your teenage kid and the other teenager and their folks. There many other reason why a honest convos are needed. Things like self discipline, how once they start having sex hormones can affect their schooling and other responabilites. So with that said we are sexually beings but like with any other pleasureful thing education and discipline is required. Just because you can do something that makes you feel good does nt mean balls to the wall #adidas. Love learn enjoy be safe. ✌🧘🙏
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I agree it LOOKS like it is, but younger people are actually having less sex than previous generations. Now I think the reason for that can be a bit problematic because younger people are moreso experiencing anxiety & less social than previous generations so sex is less likely to occur..but in general, kids are having sex later.
This is true. We read that what younger folks consider "sex" is very different than previous generations and that anxiety, plus more mental health awareness has resulted in less sex.
Dr.Oriowo came with the focus and flare. The presence needed to have this great discussion. The key point is unlearned the behavior of shaming body. Exploration of one's body is the only way to feel safe in your own skin.💚great discussion yall!
Please answer how many individuals on the panel has grown children. Meaning raised a chhild from birth to 18 yrs old. Probably not so how can you comment on is safe for a child, you dont understand.
I think Kuyomo was right when she stated she wants to know how each generation thinks about sex. I think the conversation is a great starting point into what sexual education should look like today. There were many good uncomfortable truths that came up and I think topics like ageism, homosexuality, bisexuality or family education and sex are really good things to highlight in a sexual education conversation. However, to salvage the ideology around family because a family can happen from having sex, and having a emotional attachment to a partner with the intentions of longevity, while still understanding and practicing safety, self exploration, experimentation. These are all things and then some which will enable safe spaces to not only talk about sex, but relationships as well. Donovan, I salute you for sharing your truth and status and also having a platform that many can take away from.❤😇
25:45 After hearing her story I would say having a teenager having sexual desires is normal but you can’t prepare them for the same sexual world, since a lot of us do not grow up with the same sexual availability. Honest conversations are needed especially from parents. But a certain sexual experience cannot be expected because based on all factors is the sexual experience is a VERY individual one depending on your sex, gender, look, location and safety All of these factors are going to build different ways of how we will be accepted or even isolated and view the sexual world…. But I don’t think teenagers themselves should just be out here having sex. I know a lot of adults who are arrogant because their young “sex life”
Kumoyo jumped right over her answer on if she thinks kids should have sex. Instead she decided to share that she started at a young age. She continued to explain her past habits as a sexually curious kid but did not answer that question exactly. From that, she probably would agree that because she started young, then it would be fine for other kids, too. no. That was your mistake so don’t use your parent’s lack of informing you as a child to say it’s acceptable for other kids who may be headed in a similar situation.
Hello, Kumoyo here!Teenagers are having consensual sex with ppl their age parents and caretakers acting like their teenagers aren’t having sex continues the cycle of secrecy which leads to youth getting in potential harm and dangerous situations. My intentions in sharing my story was to show that teenagers are having consensual sex & exploring with their friends ,parents and adults have the responsibility to create safe spaces where teenagers /our youth can talk about their sexual curiosities as well as giving teenagers room/a place without judgment if the face abuse or harm during their sexual encounters..my reason of me sharing my story is because I know that we have a lot of young girls /boys /non binary children or trans teenagers who are in what they consider a relationship with a grown adults and when in that situation it doesn’t seem like it’s abuse until later.
Yep,Seems so. When I was younger I thought sex was the greatest thing. As I got older I realized that it’s just selfish lust and leads you into things with people that end up wasting a lot of your time. Without it life is so much more peaceful emotionally.
I dont think we are oversexed. I think what we see right now is the repercussions of parenting thay avoided sexual conversations with their children coming back to bite. Eventhough as GenZ we have access to the internet, that allows for us to access loads of information, parents aren't taking the time to have these conversations with their children and so when these children get of age they want answers and go out to find them. My mother had the conversation with me at the first sign when she noticed me becoming sexually mature. Then she realized there's only so much she can do herself and since my relationship with my stepfather isnt sugar and spice, she put me in contact with my uncles who answered all questions I had, with no judgement. This took any mystery out and allowed for me to make better informed decisions on my sexual health. The first time i had sex it was my mother who took me to get tested for the first time before and after the encounter because we have that transparency. As an African this was a luxury i got that many of my peers didn't. I have the same urges and the same access but because i was given a better alternative, that actually was there to help me, I'm fine but many youths can't get the answers at home so they get it online. The issue then arises when that's no longer enough and they take the virtual to the physical world and now we are where we are. I know plenty of people who first found porn for the primary reason of education, or who took misinformation from their peers as valid sexual knowledge, and this is because our parents still don't want to have these conversations because they themselves aren't yet comfortable woth their own sexuality so they fear that of their children. They try restricting internet usage and which circles their children participate in but one way or another misinformation will seep through and when these children grow they start exploring and not in the best ways. Whats happening now has always happened in the course of modern history, the only difference is we dont need to go to clubs or the church basement( dont deny it everybody did😂) we have tinder, hinge,grindr and all those to do just that and so we access them because we had no other option. How many people do we know who were given adequate sexual knowledge about, safe pratices, health and anything pertaining to their sexuality ended up overindulging or beong consumed by their sexuality because they dont yet fully understand it?
Imo, sexual agency is far more important than sexual liberation. Evidence has shown that sexual decadence (aswell as sexual trauma, nihilism/bodily disassociation & narcissistic personality traits) all leads to paraphilic behaviours. The right to say 'No', to dictate when, how and where you want to engage in sexual activity, is far more important/empowering than solely participating in sexual acts. The practice of *sensuality* (which isn't solely confined to sex) is far more empowering than exchanging bodily fluids with random strangers. The act of communicating your needs, enforcing your boundaries around what sexual acts you will and wouldn't entertain, the type of relationship structure you want, how you want to be treated, cultivating intimacy with self and others, self-pleasuring without being addicted to p0rn, confidence in asking your sexual partner for their STI tests etc - all of this are acts of sexual agency. And I fear that sexual liberation movement objectifies women's bodies - making them an object devoid of humanity. That is not empowering. Such culture also allows predatory behaviour (both in men and women) to go unchecked - encouraging excess and lack of discipline/delayed gratification - all of which are recipe for a dysfunctional life and society.
Re: Charles' revolution statement (industrial, etc.), America experienced its sexual revolution in the '60s, right? Personally I don't equate what we're seeing now, to a revolution. I do strongly agree with what he said about spaces like twitter making certain content (e.g. authentic sex) accessible though. Also, Donavan's final word about "the other stuff around sex" at the end was so important and appreciated. Can't wait for Pt 2!
What about the sixties, Woodstock, sex, drugs, and rock-n- roll? This milieu hasn’t changed. People have faced these paradigms since time immemorial. The only difference is: technology.🤷🏽♂️
17:48 I can honestly say I don’t know any one whose parents talked to them about sex. People just get the information by themselves and whether it’s good or bad is based on their own thoughts.
On the Fast & the Furious vs porn... one of these is obviously fake, the other isn't. Most people have ridden in a car, rode a bike, drive a toy car, etc years of childhood before they have to do it for real... not so with sex.
9:51 - 9:59, did the Doc with the blue hair just justify people being attracted to children? I reminded it a couple of times, and I’m just trying to see if anyone heard what I did? 😳🤔 Okay, she did- I don’t like that. Her point is valid- but people shouldn’t be attracted to minors. That’s a problem whether they act on it or not.
Dr Donna. Smh are people attracted to minors? Yes but if you are you should go get help ASAP. You don’t belong In this society if you have attraction to minors. That one time they act on it should require PLENTY of jail time.
New subscriber here, love your channel. I wanted to ask if you would do a talk about the anti - blackness of black features in the black community especially towards black women. I’m currently a 21 year old black women who experience featurism in my every day life and wanted to know other black women experiences. Such as darkskin & lightskin women experiences. Particularly lighter skin women because they are not talked much about. I want to know if it has affected them through work , dating , being out in public etc. generally if they can offer an advice on how to deal with featurism and how they navigate society. Even though , I try to remain positive and confident dealing with featurism has still negatively effect me as i experience the most distasteful / bottom barrel treatment from the black community that enables other communities doing the same. It impacts my daily life especially social aspects and the work environment. I have faced so much workplace discrimination for being the only black woman with Afrocentric features). I see other women that get lip fillers get way better treatment in the workplace than me . I am always made to feel inferior. I’m so tired of dealing with featurism. It a constant losing battle.
If sex work became completely legal. 18 year olds would get the bulk of money. Because that's what men really want. If a 30 year old could have a different 18 year old every day of the year all's he needed was money there would be onslaught of sex work business booming with women under 21 years old.
Well yes, the no of young women being sex trafficked would rise exponentially. Those 18 year olds aren’t getting the bulk of the money……get real. They’ll be chained to beds and beaten to comply.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 in what world do you live in? Your imagination is riveting. You have younger women going up to men proposition them every day. I prefer free sex with 18 year olds I don't pay for it. So if she is not attracted to me I don't waste My time even giving her conversation.
@@LadyMarie599 man I can't tell you how many men I know would love for sex work to be legalize and decriminalized. Like going on an dating app... I'm 46 years old and all the dating apps I have allows me to set the age from 18 to 29. I prefer 18 to 20....but I don't spend money on women I just go for the women who find me the most attractive. I got a few pounds so I'm the in gym working out to get a six pack again to be more attractive to more 19 year olds.. But if sex work was free. I would go against my morals and switch up and become a trick especially if the prices were set rates.. I would just get a second job to pay for all the festivities. And just have threesomes with two or three 18 year olds every weekend. No need for relationships or even hook ups any more....
definitely lost me when the topic of pedophilia came up…wdym should people still have access to that kind of content?! of COURSE that kind of thing should be outlawed and of COURSE being attracted to minors is NOT OKAY regardless of whats been normalized. what the hell
To me the "IG MODEL" that gets ✈️ flewed out to "visit" a man she met online is a fool, because she knows that if she doesn't put out, she can be put out of the hotel, Airbnb, etc. that you're staying in......So basically if you're not willing to live the plot line of a tubi movie stay your 🍑🏠 at home.
It's worse than being kicked out of the hotel, she could be assaulted, raped or murdered. It's a very dangerous situation to put herself in. However, I bet that neither party were upfront about the expectations.
Yes. The short answer is yes. And the way adults act like kids aren’t on these media platforms is WILD. It takes a village to raise our youth.
No group shouldn't allow pedo as a sexual expression..🤬🤬🤬 simply disturbing and disgusting
pedo is only with prebuscent children,
A 60 year old man who is still handsome and has a fit body and eat clean, May be able to attract 18 year olds.
Thats not pedo. is legal age of consent.
Some people will argue points that cant be proven like nueroplasticy of the human brain vs natural biologiy,
@@genovasquez8361 🧢 chronophila, ppdophila, and ephebophilia are all versions of ppdophila. You don't know what you're talking about
@@THEdemetrishigashikata epheopbillia is attraction to post puberty teens...
Pedo is attraction to prepubescent children big difference buddy
@@genovasquez8361 I think the point is that people will justify anything if they want to and have enough people to back them up on it. There are still people who don't see the issue with a 40 year -old with a 6 year old and will justify it. Where do we truly draw the line? Who is to say in a few years it will no longer be illegal in the US?
@@lisacox3750 man a 6 year old ain't got no period..ain't went through puberty and can't have a baby. Biology doesn't even allow that to work..
That's too dog gone far. That's the pure definition of peda.
I don’t like the transactional sex wave to be honest, people are acknowledging that we are sexual beings yes but not acknowledging other peoples feelings. Everyone is ready to admit that people have sexual “needs” but they’re not willing to admit what a what their needs are after the sex.
Agreed
Yes!
💯 Nowadays, you know, desiring real intimacy and companionship is perceived as "co-dependancy". This generation is cooked!
We can’t normalize bad behavior. We justify it by saying “it’s just the way it is” Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should. Is it worth selling yourself for money?
I mean, why not. Moral "imperatives" are not real. They're social constructs. If something can vary with time, place and culture, it's not absolute, so why are you trying to use it as doctrine?
@@seismic6435 Social constructs may not be "absolute" or real in the physical sense but they most certainly shape reality and culture. We know that race is a social construct and the definition has shifted over time. In the present day, it is a major factor in how we are perceived by others and it impacts our lives on a daily basis. Slavery is considered immoral today because we know better.
@@GeeBee212 correct race is social construct that should have never been created, we are the human, speaking as someone who is consider a black man, i use that term for others to relate only. How ever i am American. We have these social constructs that puts us in box. The terms for race and ethnicity needs to be abolished.
Morality and Taboos are simply social constructs to push and control the masses finacially and spending habits.
Many things revolving relationships are based off controlling the spending habits of the masses. Hence why the push for men to get married to older women over 30 who seem to be more spend happy. An the push to get men to focus on getting higher paying careers so they have more spendable income with these older women.
A much younger woman doesnt have the desire to spend frivilously as a woman over 30.
The man in crisis hot button is addressing the growing number of Gen Z men who are
18 to 33 and still virgins and sexless
Declining number of male college students
The great resignation where men are opting out working
More men are living at home with their parents til age 40
More men are living on government assistance and have no desire to ever be indepdant
More men are choosing life long celibacy
Growing numbers of men who simpyl dont want marraige and dont see the purpose.
Men are simply giving up because what they desire in a wife is not attainable or not available.
i for one will only marry a woman 24 years of age and under. im not marrying a woman in my age bracket.
@@seismic6435 correct the ideology of morality and acceptability politics is the slippery slope. The nature of sexual freedom is for women to do what men, while the otherside of the coin is men need to have sexual discipline and restraint and self control,
While women are encouraged to
have 304 phaase
Experiece different men so you know what you like sexually
Date multiple men
hot girl summer
Where as men are told to be in self control of their urges. an only care about what the woman wants.
Your sexual needs and desires should only to be a faithful man once a woman has experienced enough sex and is ready to settle down and get married
@Seismic64 so just because something is a social construct it shouldn't be followed? That logic doesn't flow. Law is a social construct too and so is language. In order for society to work some things must be followed because when that's not the case then there is a lot of Grey area and that's not what society operates off of
The lady in beige, in the video, was speaking straight truths and it offended more of the group than it should have because half of the group is queer. When the woman spoke of it going into sexual immortality, that falls into sexual lifestyle choices (which they knew that). The women with blue braids and the man is the brown/black sweater were offended. Again, i have to side eyed the lady with the blue braids because she knows that sexual immorality canNOT be defended. Too much oversimplification and denial in life choices that we have made for ourselves. And YES, porn IS real life. Men will, without consent, try and use or display those same sexual actions seen within those videos on a woman/girl in related situations. The Porn industry is very powerful in shaping this nations mind on the state of what we think is sexual education or a real time representation of what sex is. If we are really honest and truthful, we will call it what it is-which is a SIN. Sexual expression before it is appropriate, consenting and or a act out of mature reasoning and awareness is a risk without reward. I liked the idea of the conversation but it lacked truths and was filled with what i believe to be self justictions and watered down views for the sake of being PC.
Someone who has a shirt written “She/Her” you cannot expect anything good, logic and moral from her. And I totally agree with what you said porn is real life and her exemple is so inaccurate. We need to do better as a society, we are over sexualized, and what makes me sick sex was made to procreate but people made everything about pleasure.
@@nadinetapsoba8435 absolutely
When you normalize everything, you allow anything. Where does it end? We need to get back to traditional morality.
They didn't want to hear that in the video. When the lady in beige spoke on that, some got offended. Sexually immorality destroys nations. It's not offensive. We are normalizing too much and then we get upset with the world when it blows back in our faces.
@@TheMilky1way morality in general terms is agreed upon by majority of members in a society. The laws of our nation are founded on a variation of Christian doctrine. That’s why we don’t live in a lawless society where people rape and murder without consequence
There was nothing wrong with them trying to get clarification from the young lady with the dreads, but the fact that it was so confusing to the others what she meant by going down a sexually immoral path that she had to repeat it several times speaks DIRECTLY to her point.
Agreed. I thought she was very clear in her definition of sexual immorality so I found the pushback to be a bit odd.
@@vincentthom976 I think it's because they wanted to be sure that it didn't include homosexuality/queerness
She definitely DIDN’T specify what she meant by sexual immorality because sexual immorality looks different for many different people. That’s why they asked her to explain FURTHER
@@ayoq9956 so what is sexual immorality?
There’s a huge wave of “sexual liberation” but most people don’t even know or understand how to be sensual. How can you be sexually
liberated if you can’t even tap into your sensuality. I guess that speaks into that transaction dynamic but we still have a way to go. IMO.
Thisss!! We need more exposure to appropriate sexual/sensual/intimate outlets to show ppl not all sexuality is immoral
THIS!!!! A lot of "sexual liberation" imo are people living out their sexual depravities, unaddressed sexual trauma, narcissism/desire to control others etc. Anyone that can't see that is sus and should be avoided. Sex is not child's play, and treating it as something devoid of meaning is EXTREMELY harmful.
As black people we definitely are over sexed we were raped for years and as soon as we got off the plantation black men started pimping out black women. Some people literally feel like sex is all their good at. Most people focus on sex before their own personal growth.
Oversexed? Maybe. I think ppl attracted to children actually need help. It’s not really a sexuality. Bc that implies mutual and informed consent. Children don’t know this and shouldn’t know this. Also can’t neglect the std conversation. Like how ppl aren’t protecting themselves like they should. Not all porn is bad or unrealistic. There’s some gentle, romantic porn as well. But overall I think love is lacking. And this is the result of it.
"If you want to cripple a nation, make the children sexually immoral." She said enough right there. Be clear that I agree wholeheartedly that consenting adults of whatever gender or sex absolutely have the right to explore their sexuality in the way that they wish. We have to remember though that just three generations ago, a 16 year old marrying a 30 year old was normal. During the period when Black people were enslaved, in the Americas and Caribbean, the exploitation and abuse of our children was at its highest.
When the average life expectancy was 40, it's not shocking that people got married younger. We're going backward. Instances of 16-year-olds marrying 30 year-olds shouldn't happen in 2023.
@@MrDMC11889 I agree that it shouldn't happen in 2023 but these "relationships" never went away. They just went underground. Interesting that a 16 year old who commits a serious crime is mature enough to be sentenced to life in prison but not mature enough to make decisions about their sexuality. So many mixed messages.
@@GeeBee212 exactly
@@MrDMC11889 i agree we should go by legal age of consent, when i met my wife she 18 years old and i was 30, those two years make a difference.
i prefer women 18 to 24 years old. im 46 years old now
Saying that "be attracted to w.e it is you're attracted to" is crazy and wildly dangerous
Them pushing back on pedos being a sexuality is sick. It makes me question their morality. And brushing it off saying it happens all the time and some ppl are attracted to children and it’s ok is beyond sick. Ppl like that are only supporting it because they do it or want to do it. Idk any mentally stable adult that thinks that’s ok. 😡🤬
Thank you 1000% I totally agree. I am shocked as a mom that there's barely any comments like yours in this section. This really turned me off and I un subscribed. I'm literally dumbfounded how they pushed back on her about this topic. I'm losing more faith in humanity daily.
No one on the show condoned or pushed back, saying that pedophilia is ok. It was explicitly said that it is not ok and that people who have those thoughts should not be acting on it. Can you tell us what part exactly you are referring to where someone said that it was okay?
I thought I was the only one. They got offended when the lady in beige made some really straight points about sexual immorality going too far and how it affects us in the long run. It destroys nations.
@@strangerfruituniverse I think she was just throwing that out there lol
@@strangerfruituniverseThe girl with the blue braids literally interrupted the lady with the tan sweater when she stated that ppl are attracted to children by saying “and that’s okay”. Then the lady in the tan sweater repeated what she said and said “that IS okay but..” So, no. You’re wrong. Play it back.
I hope y’all touch upon sex and porn ADDICTION in the next part, because those are serious issues that’s affecting people younger and younger. Addiction as it relates to sex is often brushed over in these types of conversations. It’s an issue not many even realize they have. And the cultural consequences of it...
I will NEVER understand pedophilia BUT great for Dr. Donna Oriowo for pointing out that our society DOES sexualize the teenage body because Hollywood definitely has. Britney Spears, Mischa Barton, Brooke Shields-- basically almost all teen stars were sexualized back in the day ---maybe not overtly but they were sexualize.
I think in our minds 17-year-olds can be sexualized and it's ok because a LOT of people, even Beyonce and DC were seen as sexy when they were 17/18.
.....and? Clearly those child stars shouldn't have been exploited in that manner. We know that Hollywood and Disney are filled with ped0s, which is the more reason we must continue to resist the normalisation of such moral depravity.
Sex is wack. I rather have someone’s company and not have sex and don’t want to talk about it. I stay way from people that always talk about it. It shows that they don’t have growth and education to talk about anything else.
I agree.
tbh, after having multiple sexual partners - I don't think sex is all that.
I don't get the hype. There are more important things to focus on
I'm 23, and I can't pinpoint as to why, but this conversation had me feeling uncomfortable at times. Not sure what the message was.
Hey Brooklyn! Thank you for watching! This was indeed a tough conversation as we went into pretty taboo spaces, but the message here is to ask ourselves if we are "sexually liberated" or over indulging. Part 2, out next week, dives into hook-up culture.
Same
Education at home is key and I feel like younger people are not mentally mature or mentally developed enough to handle the emotions or consequences of having sex. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Years down the line people who wait usually don't regret waiting, many people regret doing it to soon.
I really believe Nikki is on point when she explained her view on sexual liberation after Donna said her part. Donna doesn’t think we’re oversexed because it’s always been this way except now it’s more visible and publicized. She doesn’t agree that oversexualization is a thing then because sex anything is being imposed on kids and adults in all media.
Donna seems to agree more with peoples free expression but she doesn’t seem to link the risks and issues that come with imposing sex in areas of onlyfans, or media. She’s giving off leniency towards it. And she expressively said “people are” attracted to children. Like it’s understandable that you said that to inform viewers that that type of attraction is real, but I would appreciated if you backed it up with a statement like, “that is not appropriate behavior or thoughts regardless of weather acted upon or not.” Why not follow that up with a clear statement so no person could question for a second that maybe “im not too wrong to think this way.” Not Making it clear at that moment can give some people an idea that they have someone not holding them accountable for once.
Kumoyo who talked about having sex with a much older man, it was very disturbing. And instead of your Aunt comfortably giving you a condom, she should have sat you down and talked in depth on why u would need it, when u should do it, and what it means to use it, instead of her deciding to act like the “cool aunt”. That’s where the problem is. She probably thought she was being the cool aunt and helping do something she knew your parents wouldn’t allow, meanwhile she is unintentionally exposing you to something you aren’t informed on.
You echoed my thoughts. I also got confused when Donna threw in the statement, "Research has shown babies masturbate in the uterus." Ummm okay and then? It just left a weird taste in my mouth, like I wonder where she was going with that.
Hello(Kumoyo here)
Thank you for engaging and watching the conversation!I would like to clarify that my Aunt didn’t know I was having sex with older men when she had told me to get condoms.I was 14 and she gave me an honest conversation where she said “I know you’re going to have sex and if you do use condoms”Her telling me this made me feel like I could come to her when I lost my virginity and I told her.She didn’t call me names instead she embraced me with love.
The truth is most teenage girls when I was growing up where involved with older men,I know this is disturbing to hear but this is the reality of so many of the girls I grew up with.Also,I was called fast a lot as a teenage girl by adults who actually didn’t sit down to ask me why I was so sexual at such a young age.
@@m.miresh1384 right that was icky.
@@kumosunfilteredconvospodca9615 Hi. So I think there are two things we can take form that: 1. Aunts or family members or anyone who gives a child condoms must explain why and how a condom may be used in any capacity and 2. the risks of engaging in that activity both physically and emotionally. And a route away from girls engaging with older men because their experience in life don’t match up.
I really disagree with Donna's view on the current status of sex liberation. Whilst sexual liberation and the seeking of sexual pleasure has always been there (the good, the bad and ugly) I think it has become too readily available and that is worrying when it comes to minors who could be easily taken advantage of through the internet. Predators and perverts have always existed but its a bit scary to know that a potential molester is one click away from your 12 year-old daughter's fingertips.
On Kumo, I appreciate her honesty and I admit there are so many stories out there where young teenage girls (below 16) date men over 21 but man, please let us not coddle such stories. By law, that is still molestation even if it did not "feel" that way. Thank you for selecting this topic, I do wish however the participants didn't skate around certain issues.
Hello Kumo here!
I felt it was important for me to share the part of teenage girls having sex with older guys because this is the reality.As a victim and survivor of sexual abuse part of why I was sexually active at such a young age was because of the abuse I faced earlier on.I didn’t know that me having sex with older men was part of my trauma until later on in life as an adult.My intentions were not “coddle”the conversation of teenagers having sex with adults rather it was for me to bring awareness that this is something that’s still happening today.
I’m actually dealing with the fact that I was sexually assaulted by grown men but at that time it didn’t feel like it was rape because I liked it. So there’s so much to unpack there to of why it’s also important to have conversations with our youth about age,consent and what sexual abuse is/looks like.
@@kumosunfilteredconvospodca9615 Thanks Kumo for the clarification and thanks again for sharing your story in the discussion. I am sorry to hear about your experience with sexual abuse as a child.
Sigh, we are acting like bell hooks never existed. I would prefer a conversation to be grounded by some actual visionary feminist scholarship. I appreciate the panelists that introduced the idea of sexual immorality as a tactic that can be introduced in a population to deter it, and how that’s influenced by capitalism and media. We have white supremacist capitalistic, patriarchal informed sexualities.
THIS!!!!!!! thank you
Anyone attracted sexually to minors whether you act on it or not please get therapy and unpack all that. Please.
Can I just say Nikki handles the nuance so beautifully, shes so smart and a pleasure to listen to and learn from.
💯 agree with the lady in the beige/patterned glasses. She didn't mince her words. She was VERY CLEAR. it's clear that some ppl in the room clearly don't take issue with ppl who are ped0/ped0-leaning and that's alarming.
I don’t understand how you bring up Leonardo DiCaprio dating a 25 year old as the same as a pedo being attracted to children. It’s not the same! It is also a complete double standard!!! If you are going to talk about Leo, talk about Cher and Madonna dating men in their 20s but let’s not act like an adult finding a 5 year old attractive is the same with two consenting adults dating regardless of the age gap.
Yes. In the sense that the marketing and culture of sex is, like porn, "all pleasure, no effort, no consequence".
And that's a dangerously naive mindset to be pressured into by media and culture.
Man I love this show. I’m always looking for the new episodes.
Thank you! 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
My friend and I had this discussion last year. I was born in 72,' and he was born in 62'. A decade between us, we still had similar stories about catch a girl, get a girl. We agreed that back in our childhood the black kids were hypersexual.
OMG I FOUND DONOVAN!!! I loved his conversations ever since Grapevine!!! YOU GOT A NEW SUBSCRIBER
Thank you so much!!!! We appreciate you!
I like how Dr.Donna said beings are sexual beings from birth to death. I have a friend who used to work in sex work and is so concerned and paranoid when her child has touched herself with a toy in the bath or acknowledged she had genitalia, its confronted with “who taught you that” or “where did you learn that from” and it’s interesting to hear those exaggerated assumptions before acknowledging we are just all sexual beings. And how is that harsh boundary of shame or those Inclinations of being unnatural if coming from inside yourself and not solely from the outside internalized
Children need to be told the names of their body part, the purpose and not cute names and also that adults are not to touch and to tell even if theatened and taught manipulation techniques by adult men and women
Such a good and necessary/needed conversation!I hope any youth who stumbles upon this episode feels seen,supported and understood.
I think this conversation is generational because what determines if something is “too much”, is solely based on SOCIETY and its societal standards. What is deemed “normal” vs “deviant” in todays terms now “immoral” is always subjective & will always change with the times…
You don’t factor in statistics that state the positive and negative effects on the human brain though?
Great video. I just wish there were more conservatives in this discussion to balance the conversation out.
Great suggestion. Do you have any recommendations?
Two things can be true sex is great and its natural.
However if not done correctly, it can be harmful. Therefore, real coversation are needed. Like if you are a parent of a teenage if they become pregnant you now have a additional child to care for plus dealing with the emotional development and stress of the parent who is your teenage kid and the other teenager and their folks.
There many other reason why a honest convos are needed. Things like self discipline, how once they start having sex hormones can affect their schooling and other responabilites.
So with that said we are sexually beings but like with any other pleasureful thing education and discipline is required. Just because you can do something that makes you feel good does nt mean balls to the wall #adidas.
Love learn enjoy be safe. ✌🧘🙏
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YES media is overdoes it in every sector/ genre
I agree it LOOKS like it is, but younger people are actually having less sex than previous generations. Now I think the reason for that can be a bit problematic because younger people are moreso experiencing anxiety & less social than previous generations so sex is less likely to occur..but in general, kids are having sex later.
This is true. We read that what younger folks consider "sex" is very different than previous generations and that anxiety, plus more mental health awareness has resulted in less sex.
Dr.Oriowo came with the focus and flare. The presence needed to have this great discussion. The key point is unlearned the behavior of shaming body. Exploration of one's body is the only way to feel safe in your own skin.💚great discussion yall!
I also appreciate y’all for having open and direct conversation in a safe space from ppl I can identify with! Y’all keep going!
Please answer how many individuals on the panel has grown children. Meaning raised a chhild from birth to 18 yrs old. Probably not so how can you comment on is safe for a child, you dont understand.
I think Kuyomo was right when she stated she wants to know how each generation thinks about sex.
I think the conversation is a great starting point into what sexual education should look like today.
There were many good uncomfortable truths that came up and I think topics like ageism, homosexuality, bisexuality or family education and sex are really good things to highlight in a sexual education conversation.
However, to salvage the ideology around family because a family can happen from having sex, and having a emotional attachment to a partner with the intentions of longevity, while still understanding and practicing safety, self exploration, experimentation. These are all things and then some which will enable safe spaces to not only talk about sex, but relationships as well.
Donovan, I salute you for sharing your truth and status and also having a platform that many can take away from.❤😇
25:45 After hearing her story I would say having a teenager having sexual desires is normal but you can’t prepare them for the same sexual world, since a lot of us do not grow up with the same sexual availability. Honest conversations are needed especially from parents. But a certain sexual experience cannot be expected because based on all factors is the sexual experience is a VERY individual one depending on your sex, gender, look, location and safety All of these factors are going to build different ways of how we will be accepted or even isolated and view the sexual world…. But I don’t think teenagers themselves should just be out here having sex. I know a lot of adults who are arrogant because their young “sex life”
Kumoyo jumped right over her answer on if she thinks kids should have sex. Instead she decided to share that she started at a young age. She continued to explain her past habits as a sexually curious kid but did not answer that question exactly. From that, she probably would agree that because she started young, then it would be fine for other kids, too. no. That was your mistake so don’t use your parent’s lack of informing you as a child to say it’s acceptable for other kids who may be headed in a similar situation.
Hello,
Kumoyo here!Teenagers are having consensual sex with ppl their age parents and caretakers acting like their teenagers aren’t having sex continues the cycle of secrecy which leads to youth getting in potential harm and dangerous situations. My intentions in sharing my story was to show that teenagers are having consensual sex & exploring with their friends ,parents and adults have the responsibility to create safe spaces where teenagers /our youth can talk about their sexual curiosities as well as giving teenagers room/a place without judgment if the face abuse or harm during their sexual encounters..my reason of me sharing my story is because I know that we have a lot of young girls /boys /non binary children or trans teenagers who are in what they consider a relationship with a grown adults and when in that situation it doesn’t seem like it’s abuse until later.
Yep,Seems so. When I was younger I thought sex was the greatest thing. As I got older I realized that it’s just selfish lust and leads you into things with people that end up wasting a lot of your time. Without it life is so much more peaceful emotionally.
I dont think we are oversexed. I think what we see right now is the repercussions of parenting thay avoided sexual conversations with their children coming back to bite. Eventhough as GenZ we have access to the internet, that allows for us to access loads of information, parents aren't taking the time to have these conversations with their children and so when these children get of age they want answers and go out to find them. My mother had the conversation with me at the first sign when she noticed me becoming sexually mature. Then she realized there's only so much she can do herself and since my relationship with my stepfather isnt sugar and spice, she put me in contact with my uncles who answered all questions I had, with no judgement. This took any mystery out and allowed for me to make better informed decisions on my sexual health. The first time i had sex it was my mother who took me to get tested for the first time before and after the encounter because we have that transparency. As an African this was a luxury i got that many of my peers didn't. I have the same urges and the same access but because i was given a better alternative, that actually was there to help me, I'm fine but many youths can't get the answers at home so they get it online. The issue then arises when that's no longer enough and they take the virtual to the physical world and now we are where we are. I know plenty of people who first found porn for the primary reason of education, or who took misinformation from their peers as valid sexual knowledge, and this is because our parents still don't want to have these conversations because they themselves aren't yet comfortable woth their own sexuality so they fear that of their children. They try restricting internet usage and which circles their children participate in but one way or another misinformation will seep through and when these children grow they start exploring and not in the best ways. Whats happening now has always happened in the course of modern history, the only difference is we dont need to go to clubs or the church basement( dont deny it everybody did😂) we have tinder, hinge,grindr and all those to do just that and so we access them because we had no other option. How many people do we know who were given adequate sexual knowledge about, safe pratices, health and anything pertaining to their sexuality ended up overindulging or beong consumed by their sexuality because they dont yet fully understand it?
Brilliant comment. You're spot on! Sexual education and agency are vital are vital for both children and adults.
I just wanna say I like Donovan/Karamo’s socks lol now I know he smokes the herb 😂
You tried it, lol!
Imo, sexual agency is far more important than sexual liberation. Evidence has shown that sexual decadence (aswell as sexual trauma, nihilism/bodily disassociation & narcissistic personality traits) all leads to paraphilic behaviours. The right to say 'No', to dictate when, how and where you want to engage in sexual activity, is far more important/empowering than solely participating in sexual acts. The practice of *sensuality* (which isn't solely confined to sex) is far more empowering than exchanging bodily fluids with random strangers. The act of communicating your needs, enforcing your boundaries around what sexual acts you will and wouldn't entertain, the type of relationship structure you want, how you want to be treated, cultivating intimacy with self and others, self-pleasuring without being addicted to p0rn, confidence in asking your sexual partner for their STI tests etc - all of this are acts of sexual agency. And I fear that sexual liberation movement objectifies women's bodies - making them an object devoid of humanity. That is not empowering. Such culture also allows predatory behaviour (both in men and women) to go unchecked - encouraging excess and lack of discipline/delayed gratification - all of which are recipe for a dysfunctional life and society.
Re: Charles' revolution statement (industrial, etc.), America experienced its sexual revolution in the '60s, right? Personally I don't equate what we're seeing now, to a revolution. I do strongly agree with what he said about spaces like twitter making certain content (e.g. authentic sex) accessible though. Also, Donavan's final word about "the other stuff around sex" at the end was so important and appreciated. Can't wait for Pt 2!
Very insightful conversation!
People say " SEX" No one is speaking of " Making Love or Intimacy" even in marriage.
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Pleasure only leads to what needs to be done uncompleted. Wtf im the only person who gets it?
Ummmm its the parents responsibility to teach them about sex and relationships. Not in school and porn is not good instruction for meaningful love.
What about the sixties, Woodstock, sex, drugs, and rock-n- roll? This milieu hasn’t changed. People have faced these paradigms since time immemorial. The only difference is: technology.🤷🏽♂️
17:48 I can honestly say I don’t know any one whose parents talked to them about sex. People just get the information by themselves and whether it’s good or bad is based on their own thoughts.
They made Judy Garland play a child burlesque dancer… humans been freaky and it’s scary and it’s weird
9:59 pedophilia is fine?? Uhh that's where you lost me
Jesus save us 😫 hmmm
Not everbody is consuming porn. I don't and never had. I don't judge people who do. It's just not a part of my cosmology.
It's all about boundaries. We have to decide how high or how low boundaries can be. Taylor Swift? What about Brooke Shields?
On the Fast & the Furious vs porn... one of these is obviously fake, the other isn't.
Most people have ridden in a car, rode a bike, drive a toy car, etc years of childhood before they have to do it for real... not so with sex.
9:51 - 9:59, did the Doc with the blue hair just justify people being attracted to children? I reminded it a couple of times, and I’m just trying to see if anyone heard what I did? 😳🤔
Okay, she did- I don’t like that. Her point is valid- but people shouldn’t be attracted to minors. That’s a problem whether they act on it or not.
Dr Donna. Smh are people attracted to minors? Yes but if you are you should go get help ASAP. You don’t belong In this society if you have attraction to minors. That one time they act on it should require PLENTY of jail time.
New subscriber here, love your channel. I wanted to ask if you would do a talk about the anti - blackness of black features in the black community especially towards black women.
I’m currently a 21 year old black women who experience featurism in my every day life and wanted to know other black women experiences.
Such as darkskin & lightskin women experiences. Particularly lighter skin women because they are not talked much about.
I want to know if it has affected them through work , dating , being out in public etc. generally if they can offer an advice on how to deal with featurism and how they navigate society.
Even though , I try to remain positive and confident dealing with featurism has still negatively effect me as i experience the most distasteful / bottom barrel treatment from the black community that enables other communities doing the same. It impacts my daily life especially social aspects and the work environment.
I have faced so much workplace discrimination for being the only black woman with Afrocentric features).
I see other women that get lip fillers get way better treatment in the workplace than me . I am always made to feel inferior.
I’m so tired of dealing with featurism. It a constant losing battle.
If sex work became completely legal.
18 year olds would get the bulk of money.
Because that's what men really want.
If a 30 year old could have a different 18 year old every day of the year all's he needed was money there would be onslaught of sex work business booming with women under 21 years old.
Well yes, the no of young women being sex trafficked would rise exponentially. Those 18 year olds aren’t getting the bulk of the money……get real. They’ll be chained to beds and beaten to comply.
This comment was a little crazy
@@rejectionisprotection4448 in what world do you live in? Your imagination is riveting. You have younger women going up to men proposition them every day.
I prefer free sex with 18 year olds I don't pay for it. So if she is not attracted to me I don't waste
My time even giving her conversation.
@@LadyMarie599 man I can't tell you how many men I know would love for sex work to be legalize and decriminalized.
Like going on an dating app...
I'm 46 years old and all the dating apps I have allows me to set the age from 18 to 29.
I prefer 18 to 20....but I don't spend money on women I just go for the women who find me the most attractive.
I got a few pounds so I'm the in gym working out to get a six pack again to be more attractive to more 19 year olds..
But if sex work was free. I would go against my morals and switch up and become a trick especially if the prices were set rates..
I would just get a second job to pay for all the festivities. And just have threesomes with two or three 18 year olds every weekend.
No need for relationships or even hook ups any more....
@@LadyMarie599 but it has some truth to it
definitely lost me when the topic of pedophilia came up…wdym should people still have access to that kind of content?! of COURSE that kind of thing should be outlawed and of COURSE being attracted to minors is NOT OKAY regardless of whats been normalized. what the hell
Dr. Donna 👏👏👏
anyone still consciously choosing to bring children into this world is crazy. there is nothing redeeming about it.
A word.
Hell I think about it but I don't seek after it. 🙆🏼♂
Overstimulated more like it
To me the "IG MODEL" that gets ✈️ flewed out to "visit" a man she met online is a fool, because she knows that if she doesn't put out, she can be put out of the hotel, Airbnb, etc. that you're staying in......So basically if you're not willing to live the plot line of a tubi movie stay your 🍑🏠 at home.
It's worse than being kicked out of the hotel, she could be assaulted, raped or murdered. It's a very dangerous situation to put herself in. However, I bet that neither party were upfront about the expectations.
Charles look like Steve Lacy lol
Meh
Mostly Light skinned/ biracial women are overly sexualized . In the videos and in movies. Light skinned / biracial women are effected by this
Dark skinned men affected by bein seen as bucks and the thought that skin tone says something about penis size.
Dark skinned men affected by bein seen as bucks and the thought that skin tone says something about penis size.
@@pestyobsrvr4278 yes, the physical stereotyping is a huge issue. It also negatively affects many black men.
Yes.