Re: "Leashing" - I can explain why helping the jungler is called "leashing" - many patches ago, there was no aggro bar for mobs in jungle. Back then, players learned a new technique where you could juggle the mob aggro between 2 people by stepping in and out of leash range causing the mob to never have time to attack at all - which was pretty broken coz jungler would be full health lv2 ready to gank immediately. This new "leashing" method spread like fire, junglers started requesting "Can you please help me leash?" Then Riot was like "stop this" and reworked mob aggro so you can no longer do this, but the term for helping the jungler stuck with the community and is now a legacy artifact.
Except, leashing simply refers to the range that something can move before being tethered back to it's starting location...It's literally named after the concept of a dog leash, and the term has been around since before League of Legends existed. This is not a League of Legends term. It's been in use since they first added max leash ranges to WC3 in 2002. The term is completely indepenent from the technique of abusing it that you're referencing.
also back in the day, the midlaner used to leash for jungle. the reason was, that the mob will follow the first player, who attacked him. so midlane will attack the monster behind a wall before heading mid. the monster will now run around the wall before bouncing back to his spot, where he eventually attacked the jungler itself. note that at this time, monster HP didnt reset as it does now as long as someone keeps attacking. so the jungler was able to get a lot of free hits in before he takes dmg. this was also at a time, where junglemonsters where extremly dangerous for most lvl 1 champs, compared to today. so a lot of junglers actually needed this leash to make it through the whole jungle without a reset as well. eventually riot remade the jungle, both in monster lethality and how the leashing worked. this killed the leash from midlane but at the same time, most junglers where now able to clear their jungle without help. the only reason you still leash, is to give your jungler a small headstart, wich is still important for ganktimers or to arrive first at scuttle. obviously, the name "leashing" stayed, like with many other things, that changed over time. other examples are pinkward (control ward is red now while it used to be pink) or ninja tabis (who are now called steelcaps)
Grubby, I've been a lurker since early HOTS days and I wanted to reach out and let you know that these league videos are very entertaining and informative. This video is perfect for a new player or anyone that needs a refresher. Your ability to deconstruct and infer from new information received is truly remarkable. Please continue to produce League of Legends content like this as I will continue to enjoy watching you grow as a player. Sincerely, Early HOTS Days Fan
I really enjoy coaching content in general, and it's especially great when Grubby gets coached. He is so clear with his language and has such a great intuitive understanding of these types of games, so he learns and understands really well. What a joy to watch.
36:40 "leash" is an old-school League term for how jungle aggro used to work back in the day. the mid laner would typically hit the blue/red buff with a spell over the wall, which would cause it to aggro on him and start walking towards him around the wall, which gave the jungler time to hit it for free. that's why it was called leash. that's not how jungle aggro works for many years now, but the term stuck.
For everyone in chat and here in comments who needs to hear this: Mac won the LEC 3 times. He had a lot of high regular season placements. He does not need to know how many hits it takes to kill a pink ward or how many creeps you need for level 2 because the players he coaches are way past any of that already. He is not teaching them how to play their lane or how to play their micro. So many people criticized him for "not playing 10 years and it shows" but instead I really respect him for still having the drive to continue after all that time of not playing the game. He won titles while not even playing the game himself, that's impressive.
No one says he is a bad LEC coach. We are saying he is a bad new player coach. At this point a gold player would be a better coach. Grubby needs someone who can explain the basics, and tell him he needs to focus on finishing his support item.
@@morosov4595 Alois will do that, because unlike Mac, he is a soloqueue player and will explain all the stuff to him as a player, not a coach. Mac gave him insight about some strategic basics (well and some advanced ones too), not some basic level League mechanics.
Thank you Grubby for a coaching session for us too hehe. Great video. Mac is cool and nice guy! For those who read this -- watch stream replay) more games, more Mac
This coaching session is pretty meh. I feel like the coach should be the one in charge of the replay so he can show specifically what's happening and pause and fast forward and so on.
As a long time league player and also fan of yours, it's interesting to see your league growth because it's essentially backward to my experience where you are learning high level wave manipulations tactics before you even know what the championship do where it took me learning the entire roster before any of the other fundentals.
well, we had to learn this stuff either by playing the game or by watching vods of better players and trying to essentially reverse engineer the reasoning behind their decisions. it's wild to think how much of what's considered standard practice nowadays was seen as revolutionary at some point in the past. now is honestly a great time to be a new LoL player because of how many great learning resources are out there.
I love this new series as someone who has been playing league for so long. I think one thing that could make this series longer is when picking a new champion to play watching the RUclipsr Vars and his series on”why no one plays x champion” and “why everyone plays” as well as “everything wrong with”❤
holy some of commenters here are toxic for no reaseon. but i also think that critical game design videos are not what grubby should be watching when first timing a champion or learning the game. (ex) pros like shok or coach chippys have high quality guides that i would have recommended but he doesn't want see any guides anyways
Tbh even though im Grandmaster Peak (GM), i still learn a lot too. Although ive already been doing almost all of these things, most of the time its my instinct and I never thought the proper timing or some deep principle to what im doing. At some point i randomly throw lol. Going back to gaming after watching the coaching stream i actually win a lot more, atleast 9-1 since yesterday 😂 since things became more clear to me which makes me play more confident & consistent. So thanks. I Might as well try Challenger.
They literally explained that they do most of these things by instinct. It's the reason challenger streamers exist, they can talk to their community and play the game at the same time *because* their autopilot is at that level. @@Katafalk462
Wow this is so awesome❤ i remember the funneling meta i remember perkz doing that on xayah and just being 200 cs at 13 min it was ridicilous😂 edit: lol he said it right after i was done commenting it was xayah right? I found the game it was kai'sa and he had 300 cs at 20 200 at 14
Yeah a fun hangout/coach session with someone else in training mode with him would be nice to smooth out some gaps in groundwork knowledge. Still it is fun to see players play and learn their own way
It's called "leashing" because way back jungle aggro worked differently, monsters wouldn't attack the closest target, but rather follow the first attacker until the end of aggro range, hence letting jungler get a lot of attacks in during this "leash".
Such an interesting watch. Your questions always on spot, much fun. You can also make vids with Pobelter, old pro veteran, who is good at theorycrafting and speech, also Diamondprox is your pick for discussing jungle, man is a legend in pro scene and he basically invented modern jungling. He is also beast at dota. I saw them both on your stream. It would be fun as hell to watch you discussing league with league celebrities. Also I think its kinda overkill now, when you don't even know what most champions do.
I'm 5 minutes in and I already love it. I was wondering about you getting coaching since day one, since that would be logical for a gamer pro to do ;) You guys have great vibe, good cooperation!
As much as its really nice that Mac took the time to help out with this coaching. I feel like he should have thought more about the fact that he is talking to someone completely new at the game. It seems like he was constantly trying to give you advice from challenger/pro level play. Completely disregarding the fact that from your gameplay you are most likely going to start your ranked journey somewhere around silver. Multiple of his analysis/advice was either completely useless information to you. Or actually harmful to your low elo ranked performance/usefulness. A few examples is the support item talk (AP poke vs Tank last hit item) The tank item will only benefit you slightly with not dying early on. and once you get around lvl 6 onward the AP from the AP item will be better in 99% of your games. Talking about sweeper lvl 1 (again this is completely useless in low elo, especially if youre playing support as your adc will never understand that you are trying to get a lvl 2 advantage. And will either push fast anyways, or last hit and enemy gets lvl 2 first.) Also warding deep enemy jungle is much more useful in high elo as low elo junglers are completely random. Yes in high elo a jungler will clear their bot side camps (Wolves, blue buff, gromp) before ganking. So you will spot him most of the time with a deep ward. But in low elo enemy jungler might walk around the river for 30sec. or even walk into enemy jungle randomly, and if he doesnt run into any of your allies, your deep ward is now completely useless. Also if you run into the enemy jungler while you are trying to place that deep ward you will either lose half your HP and have to flash away, or you will die in most cases. I appreciate Mac trying to help, but honestly alot of this info is not useful at all to someone who is starting from fresh in low elo.
Alois and Pobelter can teach him the soloQ side of things. Considering Grubby's background as an RTS player I think it's actually good for him to understand some of the higher level macro that drives "optimal" in-game decisions. Understanding wave and minion management is really big since it allows you to win both your lane and enable other lanes.
Honestly the main problem with this level of coaching is simply that all the strategies and timings and optimizations in pro play are based on the assumption that execution will be near perfect and small advantages will be properly snowballed into a victory. That simply isn't the case in solo-queue, even at relatively high ranks. Also, Grubby's DOTA/HOTS experience gives him the basics of farming, micro, and general strategy, which is plenty good to start out. What he needs most right now is a thorough explanation of some nitty-gritty league-specific things like vision, tower/minion aggro, dragon/baron buffs, runes, items, etc. After that, it's just a matter of learning what all the characters do.
37:00 fun fact: Leashing in the traditional sense used to exist in League of Legends as well. You could manipulate the jungle monster pathing by aggroing them and moving around in a certain way, while your jungler could hit it without taking damage, similar to Dota afaik. Riot eventually added more sophisticated AI to balance jungling better. But the term leashing stuck, even though now you are just helping your jungler by applying damage to the camp without doing any "real" leashing.
Ooh, coaching sessions are gonna be fun to spectate, especially while you're still relatively fresh. I mean, you have a lot of fundamentals from your experience with other mobas, but LoL has its own set of nitty gritty details.
Incredible. When Mac was explaining he hadn't played in so many years, I was getting a little nervous. But his overall game knowledge is impeccable, minus some honestly minor nitty gritty, and as he explained he is able to take time to process plays one by one. Even if he can't see what's happening as rapidly as regular players, his logic is absolutely on fire after he takes whatever time he needed to make the review. He has an excellent analytical mind, thank you for sharing this valuable coaching. Please seek out more coaching, I know that Pobelter also offered in a stream. That's a big name that will draw in viewership. Contact him!
I think grubby would do great as a shaco playe since he plays RTS which micros more than one unit. I think bard Sup is great for him. I think Teemo top an heimer mid would suit him too. then ADC would prbably be something like Ezreal because everyone loves ezreal
[insert mandatory toxic flaming] Was enjoyable to watch, I think if I would have changed anything, I might have suggested some map overview and other barebones explanations on practice mode. Before hopping into review a game and coaching. Love the content =3
Mac is a cool guy and a fantastic pro player coach and all but I don't think he was a good choice to coach you at this point. Especially for someone who hasn't played for ages himself and isn't teaching from a player perspective but rather top of the level pro player coach perspective. Pro play is quite a lot different to solo queue ranked, I think a big part of that actually is no voice comms maybe? I still feel grubby doesn't have a very basic baseline understanding of the game yet. Mac hasn't played for years and only specializes in pro team coaching. I personally cant wait for the future coaching sessions and when grubby is confident he understands all the basics and when he ventures into ranked for the first time it will be fun, but get ready for harder games (and maybe more toxicity in ranked). People do say that league is toxic but really I don't think it's that bad, they have actually removed some ways to be toxic recently (e.g. pinging another allied player on their portrait is no longer possible, its only possible when they get kills (to celebrate their play)) the only toxic thing they can do is question mark ping spam you or say you are bad in chat, if they say anything worse than that it might get censored and instantly chat banned or if you report it, they will most likely get chat banned if it wasn't automatic (riot is good and quick at chat banning ppl who be toxic). I haven't seen anyone say anything much bad in chat recently honestly though, question mark ping is commonly mis-used though and its up to you if you think thats toxic.
@@sandz000 But it isn't, DOTA has just more strategic elements. Doesn't make League "simple", that's the whole point, lol. League is just a completely different approach. If you watch high elo games as a low elo player, you probably don't understand what's going on. In high level play, you path wrong once, lose a few seconds and it can cost you a game. It's just not the case in Gold, cause people do whatever they want there without any clue. The only people who say League is simple are hardstuck low elo players, or people who never played League at a high level at least and think it's simpler because at their low monkey elo if the game is simple, then it is simple if you're playing vs actual humans with brain and hands too. DOTA in low elo is also easy if you're playing vs NPCs. (Been playing since DOTA 1, have some experience).
I mean... anyone who isnt disingenuous would be able to tell even by now. Grubby's 1st coaching game that stream was quite similar to his proceeded 1st solo one, adc was losing, and a jungler/top who was feeding. But with Mac's help, he was able to win the first one. And in the thresh game, he even started throwing himself. Mac's understanding of where he needs to be and what he needs to do, shows the depth of the game. I think the one flaw was that he didnt really explain to grubby how he came to those conclusions, which is fine cause itd be impossible to do so in 2 games.
Tip for you and other beginners regarding harrassing under enemy towers: practice against bots (preferably alone/training) push the wave and start harassing while avoiding tower aggro. Listen to the tower aggro ping sound. Just remember that ‘diving’ for a kill on the bot is easy but diving players is a different story.
I think you should try Quinn top or mid. She is very OP at moving around the map especially with lvl 11 and lvl 16 when u upgrade your ultimate. For that reason you take ignite on her and don't need tp. You can fly around the map, cover waves and clean up fights with ease. Also she is good at killing squishy adc or mid when they solo split side lane which happens a lot in low elo. Quinn for me is the most fun champ in League.
I like your League content a lot, but what i like even more is all your manchildren viewers' fanboy wars about which game is better 😅 (usually DOTA fans being salty about him not playing DOTA)
No diss but a solo queue coach would have been better. Everyone in your team is a monkey that will drag you down 90% or carry you 10%. They aren't the same, isnt it the same for WC3? Two types of coaches.
Minion damage matters a lot early game. As a top laner it can win or lose u a solo fight. Let's say you have 3 creeps and enemy has 2 stacked waves. Early game creeps can outdamage the actual champion damage-
If you're gonna get support coaching, get Coach Cupcake. Getting a pro coach for low ELO SoloQ is like getting John Madden to coach pickup street basketball, it just doesn't mesh.
I find it hilarious ppl in chat are like "coach that doesn't play the game?" Look at football and any other sport , you don't have to play to know what you're talking about.
The additional context is that Grubby will also be coached by high level solo queue players in the future - there’s a place to learn macro, micro, matchups etc. Unrealistic to learn everything at once, but in this session even the high level overview of how lanes and the game works “in theory” is great as a backdrop to understand future champion and role/micro learning.
don't worry league isn't as good as wc3. grubby has had a very unusually non-toxic and low smurf experience so far and his first game ever was like a fairy tale league game. grubby hasn't even seen 10% of how toxic the community and how snowballing the game can get. the only people that main league don't know any better.
@@bigsmoke4592Thats some hard coping, bud. Ive played dota since 6.21b (Dota 1) and played for 10+ years on and off between WoW xpacs getting a humble peak of 4.6k mmr in Dota 2 as a hard carry main (PA, Anti-Mage, Weaver, etc) and I moved on to league because learning a new game was fun. Nowadays I legit prefer League than Dota because the game is more fun for me and much much much much more well supported with a bigger community, frequent updates and a more active and dynamic competitive scene. While Dota has its unique gameplay going for it, League developed their own twist to what Dota started which in my opinion is more ruthless and competitive than Dota in the gameplay aspect. League didnt kill their competitors out of luck or "people not knowing better". People legit prefer it
@@bigsmoke4592Game tribalism is so cringe bro. I've played WC3 as well as Dota 2 semi-consistently for the better half of a decade, and League is still my main game just outta preference. But nah guess i don't know any better 🤷♂
I mean this with no shade and utmost respect to Mac because he seems like a lovely person but…isn’t it a bit foreboding for the European league scene that the coach for one of the biggest teams hasn’t even played the game in years? I understand that competitive and solo queue are very different, but he didn’t know how many minions it took for level 2 and how many hits it was for a control ward. I wonder if the top Korean teams have coaches who don’t play. It’s very possible, I know Polt was involved with T1 for a long time and he barely played, but I think he was manager more than a coach. Either way great video!
I dont think you need to play to understand the gane theoretically as long as you have played it on a high level before. If he had never played i agree with you though, but since (competitive) league is mostly about macro game and understanding composition dynamics its fine. It do agree though that it helps a lot with drafting comps if you as a coach understand the limits of champions and what your players can do with them. But like he said he closely observes his players solo queue so im sure he does. But most pro games at the higest level between 2 good teams are won through superior positioning and rotations. The times where mechnical outplays deside games are rarer which is why we get so hyped for them.
@@oilslicknl right, he said he was a shaco one trick before and I don't know how highly he was ranked. Honestly, I don't even think you have to play at a high level, but I would feel much more comfortable hiring a coach who regularly played since that shows a passion for the game. I agree with you though.
He's probably a lot more concerned with the big picture stuff rather than how many minions it takes for level 2 because his players definitely know all about that already
LoL has problem with describing staff roles imo, he shouldn't be described as a coach because he just works as a manager with staff behind him but now in Vitality he is "labeled" as a manager which finally is accurate for the work he actually do session with Pad who works under Mac would probably be much better because he is actual coach who works on pure gameplay more
This couch had was very emotive😅 and he forgot to remind you about all the stuffs he told you about before the game actually starpted He was okay in theory Almost useless in practice.. It felt like he was!'t even backsteating at all
I don't want to be a hater but Mac seems kinda clueless he should be named analyst not a coach because he has excel knowledge and to me as a low master player it seems like he is a bit disconnected from the actual gameplay btw I see that his "new" role in Vitality is actually "a manager" which seems way more accurate description for the work he do can't wait for sessions with actual high elo players, I heard u had contact with Pobelter and I've seen Alois on stream once too so hopefully there will be some collab with him also
You didn't actually just get coached. OMG you're the goat, I'm following this channel until either you or I die of old age. Or until you start reselling cookies for 10x price, that will make me unfollow you too 😂
I am generally against the idea of coaching in video games, and here is no exception. Guy didn 't teach you at all how to use your champs, and most of the information he gave is completely useless in solo/duo. What he said is useful when you have humans in your team. I am emerald and still most of the times I have animals. And my rank is top 6%. So until you reach master, you can 't really apply what he was teaching. One friendly advice is to play top or jg, because are the most dominant roles. You can 't rely to your team.
I agree to a degree, because true, in low elo those things are not applicable, but on the other hand he will still have this knowledge in the opposite to probably close to a 100% of lower elo players :D
But this coach is spitting bs... sorry but how can HEAD COACH say something like "you get lvl 2 after 8 minions on bot"?! It's 9, and it's not "some random" 6 melee and 3 ranged...
what does that have to do with him not knowing what is being played in solo q? you can look this up and recognize that he's just factually wrong. @@andreyushkin
@@jaydunna2645 You saying "this guy is a pro coach" confirms that already that yeah it is a fact that he doesn't engage at soloq the most that's why he is solely "competitive and PRO" like he said and is proven. So don't take it out of him by saying "this guy is a pro coach?" Yeah he is.
Re: "Leashing" - I can explain why helping the jungler is called "leashing" - many patches ago, there was no aggro bar for mobs in jungle.
Back then, players learned a new technique where you could juggle the mob aggro between 2 people by stepping in and out of leash range causing the mob to never have time to attack at all - which was pretty broken coz jungler would be full health lv2 ready to gank immediately.
This new "leashing" method spread like fire, junglers started requesting "Can you please help me leash?"
Then Riot was like "stop this" and reworked mob aggro so you can no longer do this, but the term for helping the jungler stuck with the community and is now a legacy artifact.
Absolutely correc tand it's indeed many many many patches ago.
didnt know this was the reason, just thought they wanted to save time and hp they would loose
Except, leashing simply refers to the range that something can move before being tethered back to it's starting location...It's literally named after the concept of a dog leash, and the term has been around since before League of Legends existed. This is not a League of Legends term. It's been in use since they first added max leash ranges to WC3 in 2002. The term is completely indepenent from the technique of abusing it that you're referencing.
I didn't know that cool
also back in the day, the midlaner used to leash for jungle. the reason was, that the mob will follow the first player, who attacked him. so midlane will attack the monster behind a wall before heading mid. the monster will now run around the wall before bouncing back to his spot, where he eventually attacked the jungler itself. note that at this time, monster HP didnt reset as it does now as long as someone keeps attacking. so the jungler was able to get a lot of free hits in before he takes dmg. this was also at a time, where junglemonsters where extremly dangerous for most lvl 1 champs, compared to today. so a lot of junglers actually needed this leash to make it through the whole jungle without a reset as well.
eventually riot remade the jungle, both in monster lethality and how the leashing worked. this killed the leash from midlane but at the same time, most junglers where now able to clear their jungle without help. the only reason you still leash, is to give your jungler a small headstart, wich is still important for ganktimers or to arrive first at scuttle.
obviously, the name "leashing" stayed, like with many other things, that changed over time. other examples are pinkward (control ward is red now while it used to be pink) or ninja tabis (who are now called steelcaps)
Shoutout to mac for helping grubby with his league journey
Shoutout to Grubby for helping Mac with his league journey
Grubby,
I've been a lurker since early HOTS days and I wanted to reach out and let you know that these league videos are very entertaining and informative. This video is perfect for a new player or anyone that needs a refresher. Your ability to deconstruct and infer from new information received is truly remarkable. Please continue to produce League of Legends content like this as I will continue to enjoy watching you grow as a player.
Sincerely,
Early HOTS Days Fan
Dear Grubby, grub a dub dub.
I really enjoy coaching content in general, and it's especially great when Grubby gets coached. He is so clear with his language and has such a great intuitive understanding of these types of games, so he learns and understands really well. What a joy to watch.
Yes, he's a wonderful student.
36:40 "leash" is an old-school League term for how jungle aggro used to work back in the day. the mid laner would typically hit the blue/red buff with a spell over the wall, which would cause it to aggro on him and start walking towards him around the wall, which gave the jungler time to hit it for free. that's why it was called leash. that's not how jungle aggro works for many years now, but the term stuck.
For everyone in chat and here in comments who needs to hear this:
Mac won the LEC 3 times. He had a lot of high regular season placements. He does not need to know how many hits it takes to kill a pink ward or how many creeps you need for level 2 because the players he coaches are way past any of that already. He is not teaching them how to play their lane or how to play their micro.
So many people criticized him for "not playing 10 years and it shows" but instead I really respect him for still having the drive to continue after all that time of not playing the game. He won titles while not even playing the game himself, that's impressive.
I'd imagine knowing when your botlane gets their level 2 is really really important for coaching and coming up with strategies…???
No one says he is a bad LEC coach. We are saying he is a bad new player coach. At this point a gold player would be a better coach. Grubby needs someone who can explain the basics, and tell him he needs to focus on finishing his support item.
@@morosov4595 Alois will do that, because unlike Mac, he is a soloqueue player and will explain all the stuff to him as a player, not a coach. Mac gave him insight about some strategic basics (well and some advanced ones too), not some basic level League mechanics.
I think alois would be the best coach as he teaches fund the mentals and is actively playing at all levels@@DoctorStrange01
Also he won LEC 3 times with really cheap rosters and rookies. Guy is so underrated.
I mostly watch on youtube but I love grubby's twitch chat. They try so hard to be helpful and they are also frequently hilarious
they are trolls
Thank you Grubby for a coaching session for us too hehe. Great video.
Mac is cool and nice guy!
For those who read this -- watch stream replay) more games, more Mac
Btw, Grubbs, about "toplane mechanics" - I found cool guy Daveyx3 on RUclips. Maybe you will enjoy his content and find it usefull too 🤜🤛
where do i find vods?
The moment we’ve been waiting for 🙏
This coaching session is pretty meh. I feel like the coach should be the one in charge of the replay so he can show specifically what's happening and pause and fast forward and so on.
Yesssss!!! I was really hoping for these kind of videos, just like it happened with your Dota journey Grub. Awesome
As a long time league player and also fan of yours, it's interesting to see your league growth because it's essentially backward to my experience where you are learning high level wave manipulations tactics before you even know what the championship do where it took me learning the entire roster before any of the other fundentals.
well, we had to learn this stuff either by playing the game or by watching vods of better players and trying to essentially reverse engineer the reasoning behind their decisions. it's wild to think how much of what's considered standard practice nowadays was seen as revolutionary at some point in the past. now is honestly a great time to be a new LoL player because of how many great learning resources are out there.
I love this new series as someone who has been playing league for so long. I think one thing that could make this series longer is when picking a new champion to play watching the RUclipsr Vars and his series on”why no one plays x champion” and “why everyone plays” as well as “everything wrong with”❤
Vars is a horrible, clueless youtuber that hurts the community
@@soul0172 oh why is this? watched a few of his videos and they didnt seem bad.
Watching a Vars video would be a great way to get worse at the game as well as a person
holy some of commenters here are toxic for no reaseon. but i also think that critical game design videos are not what grubby should be watching when first timing a champion or learning the game. (ex) pros like shok or coach chippys have high quality guides that i would have recommended but he doesn't want see any guides anyways
I agree with @bigsmoke4592 - Vars' content is heavily opinionated meta analysis of champion design, not helpful for new players still grasping basics.
Tbh even though im Grandmaster Peak (GM), i still learn a lot too.
Although ive already been doing almost all of these things, most of the time its my instinct and I never thought the proper timing or some deep principle to what im doing. At some point i randomly throw lol.
Going back to gaming after watching the coaching stream i actually win a lot more, atleast 9-1 since yesterday 😂 since things became more clear to me which makes me play more confident & consistent. So thanks.
I Might as well try Challenger.
You getting challenger my guy! Lesgooo!
yeah its sad that "never think" or "idk what im doing" still enough for reaching GM nowadays
Because it requires skills and fast reaction it is not like he is some random noob that went to GM by Luck lmao.@@Katafalk462
They literally explained that they do most of these things by instinct. It's the reason challenger streamers exist, they can talk to their community and play the game at the same time *because* their autopilot is at that level. @@Katafalk462
Wow this is so awesome❤ i remember the funneling meta i remember perkz doing that on xayah and just being 200 cs at 13 min it was ridicilous😂 edit: lol he said it right after i was done commenting it was xayah right?
I found the game it was kai'sa and he had 300 cs at 20 200 at 14
taric master yi vs nunu karthus was also very funny to see, interesting times!
I wish some one would explain some more about the basics like support items and control wards to Grubby
Yeah a fun hangout/coach session with someone else in training mode with him would be nice to smooth out some gaps in groundwork knowledge.
Still it is fun to see players play and learn their own way
It's called "leashing" because way back jungle aggro worked differently, monsters wouldn't attack the closest target, but rather follow the first attacker until the end of aggro range, hence letting jungler get a lot of attacks in during this "leash".
Such an interesting watch. Your questions always on spot, much fun.
You can also make vids with Pobelter, old pro veteran, who is good at theorycrafting and speech, also Diamondprox is your pick for discussing jungle, man is a legend in pro scene and he basically invented modern jungling. He is also beast at dota. I saw them both on your stream. It would be fun as hell to watch you discussing league with league celebrities. Also I think its kinda overkill now, when you don't even know what most champions do.
This is insane!! What a wholesome collab!
I'm 5 minutes in and I already love it. I was wondering about you getting coaching since day one, since that would be logical for a gamer pro to do ;) You guys have great vibe, good cooperation!
The Skype calling sound lmao that takes me back
woah this is an epic colab, what a cultured choice of coach
Hell yeah, missed the stream and was waiting for that one :D
Awesome content, would love to see more collabs with Mac!
Best league content rn imo
As much as its really nice that Mac took the time to help out with this coaching. I feel like he should have thought more about the fact that he is talking to someone completely new at the game. It seems like he was constantly trying to give you advice from challenger/pro level play. Completely disregarding the fact that from your gameplay you are most likely going to start your ranked journey somewhere around silver. Multiple of his analysis/advice was either completely useless information to you. Or actually harmful to your low elo ranked performance/usefulness. A few examples is the support item talk (AP poke vs Tank last hit item) The tank item will only benefit you slightly with not dying early on. and once you get around lvl 6 onward the AP from the AP item will be better in 99% of your games. Talking about sweeper lvl 1 (again this is completely useless in low elo, especially if youre playing support as your adc will never understand that you are trying to get a lvl 2 advantage. And will either push fast anyways, or last hit and enemy gets lvl 2 first.) Also warding deep enemy jungle is much more useful in high elo as low elo junglers are completely random. Yes in high elo a jungler will clear their bot side camps (Wolves, blue buff, gromp) before ganking. So you will spot him most of the time with a deep ward. But in low elo enemy jungler might walk around the river for 30sec. or even walk into enemy jungle randomly, and if he doesnt run into any of your allies, your deep ward is now completely useless. Also if you run into the enemy jungler while you are trying to place that deep ward you will either lose half your HP and have to flash away, or you will die in most cases.
I appreciate Mac trying to help, but honestly alot of this info is not useful at all to someone who is starting from fresh in low elo.
Alois and Pobelter can teach him the soloQ side of things. Considering Grubby's background as an RTS player I think it's actually good for him to understand some of the higher level macro that drives "optimal" in-game decisions. Understanding wave and minion management is really big since it allows you to win both your lane and enable other lanes.
Honestly the main problem with this level of coaching is simply that all the strategies and timings and optimizations in pro play are based on the assumption that execution will be near perfect and small advantages will be properly snowballed into a victory. That simply isn't the case in solo-queue, even at relatively high ranks. Also, Grubby's DOTA/HOTS experience gives him the basics of farming, micro, and general strategy, which is plenty good to start out. What he needs most right now is a thorough explanation of some nitty-gritty league-specific things like vision, tower/minion aggro, dragon/baron buffs, runes, items, etc. After that, it's just a matter of learning what all the characters do.
37:00 fun fact: Leashing in the traditional sense used to exist in League of Legends as well. You could manipulate the jungle monster pathing by aggroing them and moving around in a certain way, while your jungler could hit it without taking damage, similar to Dota afaik.
Riot eventually added more sophisticated AI to balance jungling better. But the term leashing stuck, even though now you are just helping your jungler by applying damage to the camp without doing any "real" leashing.
Mac is my favorite coach, his personality and philosophy is really nice and good! Really awesome seeing this and looking forward to more!
Ooh, coaching sessions are gonna be fun to spectate, especially while you're still relatively fresh. I mean, you have a lot of fundamentals from your experience with other mobas, but LoL has its own set of nitty gritty details.
Incredible. When Mac was explaining he hadn't played in so many years, I was getting a little nervous. But his overall game knowledge is impeccable, minus some honestly minor nitty gritty, and as he explained he is able to take time to process plays one by one. Even if he can't see what's happening as rapidly as regular players, his logic is absolutely on fire after he takes whatever time he needed to make the review. He has an excellent analytical mind, thank you for sharing this valuable coaching.
Please seek out more coaching, I know that Pobelter also offered in a stream. That's a big name that will draw in viewership. Contact him!
AloisNL will coach him on 28th this month too! be there for the stream or wait the next day for the YT vid
Oh I'm so happy ! Didn't start the video yet but I can't wait to see this, it's so exciting !!
This is very interesting!!!! Thank you grubby and mac even as a veteran I learned something
Finally i have a way of figuring out whats happening in all the different MoBas from scratch so i can keep up with all the cool animes
It's a dota 1 term where the 5th pos would help leash/stack camps. It carried over, just like the term jungle carried over
Ow cool. You need this so much! Although, it's also funny to see you crying: "Elp".
I think grubby would do great as a shaco playe since he plays RTS which micros more than one unit.
I think bard Sup is great for him. I think Teemo top an heimer mid would suit him too. then ADC would prbably be something like Ezreal because everyone loves ezreal
[insert mandatory toxic flaming] Was enjoyable to watch, I think if I would have changed anything, I might have suggested some map overview and other barebones explanations on practice mode. Before hopping into review a game and coaching.
Love the content =3
Mac is a cool guy and a fantastic pro player coach and all but I don't think he was a good choice to coach you at this point. Especially for someone who hasn't played for ages himself and isn't teaching from a player perspective but rather top of the level pro player coach perspective. Pro play is quite a lot different to solo queue ranked, I think a big part of that actually is no voice comms maybe? I still feel grubby doesn't have a very basic baseline understanding of the game yet. Mac hasn't played for years and only specializes in pro team coaching. I personally cant wait for the future coaching sessions and when grubby is confident he understands all the basics and when he ventures into ranked for the first time it will be fun, but get ready for harder games (and maybe more toxicity in ranked).
People do say that league is toxic but really I don't think it's that bad, they have actually removed some ways to be toxic recently (e.g. pinging another allied player on their portrait is no longer possible, its only possible when they get kills (to celebrate their play)) the only toxic thing they can do is question mark ping spam you or say you are bad in chat, if they say anything worse than that it might get censored and instantly chat banned or if you report it, they will most likely get chat banned if it wasn't automatic (riot is good and quick at chat banning ppl who be toxic). I haven't seen anyone say anything much bad in chat recently honestly though, question mark ping is commonly mis-used though and its up to you if you think thats toxic.
Grubby coached by league Jesus
Carefull, after 10 Coachings your dota audiance wont be able to claim that league is simple 😅
Oh no, that would be a disaster 😅 Imagine if it turned out it's not a game for kids 😅
but it is *relatively* speaking.
@@sandz000 But it isn't, DOTA has just more strategic elements. Doesn't make League "simple", that's the whole point, lol. League is just a completely different approach. If you watch high elo games as a low elo player, you probably don't understand what's going on. In high level play, you path wrong once, lose a few seconds and it can cost you a game. It's just not the case in Gold, cause people do whatever they want there without any clue.
The only people who say League is simple are hardstuck low elo players, or people who never played League at a high level at least and think it's simpler because at their low monkey elo if the game is simple, then it is simple if you're playing vs actual humans with brain and hands too. DOTA in low elo is also easy if you're playing vs NPCs. (Been playing since DOTA 1, have some experience).
I mean... anyone who isnt disingenuous would be able to tell even by now. Grubby's 1st coaching game that stream was quite similar to his proceeded 1st solo one, adc was losing, and a jungler/top who was feeding. But with Mac's help, he was able to win the first one. And in the thresh game, he even started throwing himself. Mac's understanding of where he needs to be and what he needs to do, shows the depth of the game. I think the one flaw was that he didnt really explain to grubby how he came to those conclusions, which is fine cause itd be impossible to do so in 2 games.
Two great guys in a great format!
You already know that lissandra was at the tier 2 tower typing up some heat for the jungler to come gank lmao
TRUE! HAHAHAHAHAHA
i’m so glad that no wits end wtf has become such a meme lol
Damn was waiting for this vid!
LMAO 7:04
really nice video man,Mac is a great guy!
Great content, looking forward to the next issue
Tip for you and other beginners regarding harrassing under enemy towers: practice against bots (preferably alone/training) push the wave and start harassing while avoiding tower aggro. Listen to the tower aggro ping sound.
Just remember that ‘diving’ for a kill on the bot is easy but diving players is a different story.
"I did all the things you could possibly do that are bad for your wrists" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I think you should try Quinn top or mid. She is very OP at moving around the map especially with lvl 11 and lvl 16 when u upgrade your ultimate. For that reason you take ignite on her and don't need tp. You can fly around the map, cover waves and clean up fights with ease. Also she is good at killing squishy adc or mid when they solo split side lane which happens a lot in low elo. Quinn for me is the most fun champ in League.
I like your League content a lot, but what i like even more is all your manchildren viewers' fanboy wars about which game is better 😅 (usually DOTA fans being salty about him not playing DOTA)
AMAZING COLLAB. I LOVED THE QUESTION. I LOVE HIM. GJ EVERYONE
Just to let u know, u can pick up to two chimes on bard on the first 30 secs of the game so....u can lvl 2 by getting 6 botlane minions
watched it live watching it again. great content!
No diss but a solo queue coach would have been better. Everyone in your team is a monkey that will drag you down 90% or carry you 10%. They aren't the same, isnt it the same for WC3? Two types of coaches.
very cool, thank you both
didnt know this video was 1 hour long until i finished it lol
......... He's getting higher rank than me isn't he
Kind of surprised Mac didnt know how much gold each ward grant
Minion damage matters a lot early game. As a top laner it can win or lose u a solo fight. Let's say you have 3 creeps and enemy has 2 stacked waves. Early game creeps can outdamage the actual champion damage-
If you're gonna get support coaching, get Coach Cupcake. Getting a pro coach for low ELO SoloQ is like getting John Madden to coach pickup street basketball, it just doesn't mesh.
Very good video!
Such a good session!!
now it's time for grubby gaming
Not me now knowing how minions work after a year 😢😢
Need to see grubby play kel'thuzad, i want to learn!!
Great video !!
nice, Grubby got League-Partner already?
Loved this video
I find it hilarious ppl in chat are like "coach that doesn't play the game?" Look at football and any other sport , you don't have to play to know what you're talking about.
The additional context is that Grubby will also be coached by high level solo queue players in the future - there’s a place to learn macro, micro, matchups etc. Unrealistic to learn everything at once, but in this session even the high level overview of how lanes and the game works “in theory” is great as a backdrop to understand future champion and role/micro learning.
I loved the conversation.
Just as they told in chat... Bard is really not one of the easiest support Champions.
Im glad u do what u love with so much good vibe...
Still... Im afriad u like this game better than wc3
don't worry league isn't as good as wc3. grubby has had a very unusually non-toxic and low smurf experience so far and his first game ever was like a fairy tale league game. grubby hasn't even seen 10% of how toxic the community and how snowballing the game can get. the only people that main league don't know any better.
@@bigsmoke4592Thats some hard coping, bud. Ive played dota since 6.21b (Dota 1) and played for 10+ years on and off between WoW xpacs getting a humble peak of 4.6k mmr in Dota 2 as a hard carry main (PA, Anti-Mage, Weaver, etc) and I moved on to league because learning a new game was fun. Nowadays I legit prefer League than Dota because the game is more fun for me and much much much much more well supported with a bigger community, frequent updates and a more active and dynamic competitive scene. While Dota has its unique gameplay going for it, League developed their own twist to what Dota started which in my opinion is more ruthless and competitive than Dota in the gameplay aspect. League didnt kill their competitors out of luck or "people not knowing better". People legit prefer it
@@bigsmoke4592Game tribalism is so cringe bro. I've played WC3 as well as Dota 2 semi-consistently for the better half of a decade, and League is still my main game just outta preference. But nah guess i don't know any better 🤷♂
@@grapesonvines4407 you have some weird insecurities
Grubby should watch some PinkWard shaco playstyle ^^
I hope you can get coached by sneaky. He has high mmr on dota so he can explain league stuff in dota terms.
Yo, what a collab!
Grubby start to focus on league, man...he gonna turn darkside lol
Grubby in SKT1
how can u coach and not play like its constantly changing
We need Peter Dun next
I’m sorry grubby I do my best with the advice but when you put it that way I am probably just a whisper in the wind.
Should have had him coach you during a game instead of a watching a vod.
he did, 2 games too wait for for the videos tho
Nice!
I mean this with no shade and utmost respect to Mac because he seems like a lovely person but…isn’t it a bit foreboding for the European league scene that the coach for one of the biggest teams hasn’t even played the game in years? I understand that competitive and solo queue are very different, but he didn’t know how many minions it took for level 2 and how many hits it was for a control ward. I wonder if the top Korean teams have coaches who don’t play. It’s very possible, I know Polt was involved with T1 for a long time and he barely played, but I think he was manager more than a coach. Either way great video!
I dont think you need to play to understand the gane theoretically as long as you have played it on a high level before. If he had never played i agree with you though, but since (competitive) league is mostly about macro game and understanding composition dynamics its fine. It do agree though that it helps a lot with drafting comps if you as a coach understand the limits of champions and what your players can do with them. But like he said he closely observes his players solo queue so im sure he does. But most pro games at the higest level between 2 good teams are won through superior positioning and rotations. The times where mechnical outplays deside games are rarer which is why we get so hyped for them.
@@oilslicknl right, he said he was a shaco one trick before and I don't know how highly he was ranked. Honestly, I don't even think you have to play at a high level, but I would feel much more comfortable hiring a coach who regularly played since that shows a passion for the game. I agree with you though.
He's probably a lot more concerned with the big picture stuff rather than how many minions it takes for level 2 because his players definitely know all about that already
@@friendlyneighborhoodtotall1902 that's a good point
LoL has problem with describing staff roles imo, he shouldn't be described as a coach because he just works as a manager with staff behind him
but now in Vitality he is "labeled" as a manager which finally is accurate for the work he actually do
session with Pad who works under Mac would probably be much better because he is actual coach who works on pure gameplay more
Awesome :D
This couch had was very emotive😅 and he forgot to remind you about all the stuffs he told you about before the game actually starpted
He was okay in theory
Almost useless in practice..
It felt like he was!'t even backsteating at all
Anyone got good games to recommend like chill drink like some wine 🍷 strategic games would be nice.
i recommend, learn to fly 2, elephant quest, phantom forces (roblox) and wolfquest
Faster than light has a very nice atmosphere and is a great strategic game.
crusader kings 3
appreciate it guys, will try them out 🙏❤️
Bruh, poor Mac got fired, gets a new job at VIT and VIT loses their GOATED players... unlucky
I don't want to be a hater but Mac seems kinda clueless
he should be named analyst not a coach because he has excel knowledge and to me as a low master player it seems like he is a bit disconnected from the actual gameplay
btw I see that his "new" role in Vitality is actually "a manager" which seems way more accurate description for the work he do
can't wait for sessions with actual high elo players, I heard u had contact with Pobelter and I've seen Alois on stream once too so hopefully there will be some collab with him also
You didn't actually just get coached. OMG you're the goat, I'm following this channel until either you or I die of old age. Or until you start reselling cookies for 10x price, that will make me unfollow you too 😂
I am generally against the idea of coaching in video games, and here is no exception. Guy didn 't teach you at all how to use your champs, and most of the information he gave is completely useless in solo/duo. What he said is useful when you have humans in your team. I am emerald and still most of the times I have animals. And my rank is top 6%. So until you reach master, you can 't really apply what he was teaching. One friendly advice is to play top or jg, because are the most dominant roles. You can 't rely to your team.
I agree to a degree, because true, in low elo those things are not applicable, but on the other hand he will still have this knowledge in the opposite to probably close to a 100% of lower elo players :D
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I love how chat started spamming "16:47" when he said they were wrong (they were right btw.) 😅
But this coach is spitting bs... sorry but how can HEAD COACH say something like "you get lvl 2 after 8 minions on bot"?! It's 9, and it's not "some random" 6 melee and 3 ranged...
Not a fan of that coach I think VeigarV2 is a much better coach
Grubby you are talking to much not focusing on your own progress 😂😂😂
No offense but it shows he havent play league for abt 10 years.
toplane is a wet noodle fight in solo Q? This guy is a pro coach? 😂
He said historically lol. Clarified after that nowadays top has some of the hardest solo Carrie’s.
You need to pay attention more, that's not everything he said about that topic :)
He won LEC titles as a coach, clearly it's your understanding/paying attention/adhd/listening skill issue.
what does that have to do with him not knowing what is being played in solo q? you can look this up and recognize that he's just factually wrong. @@andreyushkin
@@jaydunna2645 You saying "this guy is a pro coach" confirms that already that yeah it is a fact that he doesn't engage at soloq the most that's why he is solely "competitive and PRO" like he said and is proven. So don't take it out of him by saying "this guy is a pro coach?" Yeah he is.
his explanation of toplane is so outdated
Grubby is cute af, Onlyfans when?