Hi Chris. Are you using the latest software update? Currently the ID.3 and ID.4 are equipped with the ME 2.1 OTA (0792) version. The power consumption seems to be more favorable as a result.
So what speeds did you see charging to 15 %? ;-) Did it have the new 0792 software, too? Tests of long range Pro S and short range Pure (with 100 kW charging upgrade) would be interesting in comparison, but maybe VW wants to wait for higher temperatures before giving cars out? Turning point had just 4.5 degrees this time.
Kris, I think you are correct (at least for Tesla) the consumption figure does not included heating/cooling energy. It's only is the consumption the car uses to actually travel x km's. Basically that makes it a fair way to compare different cars efficiency, not taking into account other factors...
Thanks Kris, yes more real world available energy is always welcome and I do look forward to the ID 4 review, as the ID 3 is not available in Canada!!!
I agree with you Kris that EVs could estimate heat loss by using the battery percentage estimation, but it would only be an estimate. The kWh/km is an exact measurement based on amps drawn and voltage which can be precisely measured. I think that’s why they don’t want to give a fuzzy number with some estimated heat loss. My $0.02. Great video content.
Could you look up the software version? You find it by long pressing the home button on the infotainment screen. It is 4 digits and should start with 0.
To your question about WLTP efficiency. I think that ICE cars make so much heat from the burning of fuel that the heating of the cabin etc is “free” because you are normally trying to keep the engine cool. EV’s are using the “fuel” to not only push the car forward but also heat everything else up. I heard that the ID family of cars heat the battery to 16 degrees C so the efficiency could be a lot better in the summer. Another note on the ŠKODA Enyaq’s configurator there is a “heat pump for the battery” option. I wonder if that’s to help with power management?
The 283 km in this test might be true. In a 'drive till they die' test in Holland, they found that the ID.3 still went a long way past 0% SOC. Further than any other car.
If the wltp would be a over the year test...heating would be a large number. EVs should get a rating....city / highway for summer and winter. And the carmakers should bring the „climate edition“ instead of fullyloaded almost to heavy to drive. Range below 0% is worth noting and should never be used.
I like the ID3 and ID4 interms of looks and interior. I had higher hopes for a flat charging curve. Much like the e-tron one. Also the software needs a few tweaks. Still solid contenders for my next leaseperiod (only up for 2024 sadly :-)). Looking forward to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 battling the ID's and Model 3/Y for the crown in this segment (perhaps with the Kona\E-niro also).
Please do a short hop test as the car I tried with no preconditioning to get lunch the 10 mile loop at extra urban /town only got 2.1 miles per kw max due to the constant battery conditioning, also please test leaving parked unplugged the one I tried used 8kw from the pack doing nothing , temp that the was 4-6c my test had the original firmware
I like your real world tests. Range in EVs is only really relevant at long range driving speeds. It would be interesting to see the difference in kWh charged compared to kWh used reported by the car as by the end of the day that is what you will be paying for. While not a pure EV, my VOLVO XC60 T8 has about a 17% difference between the two which I assume is the heat loss during driving and charging. I guess you might have had a similar experience with you XC90 T8?
smaller, lighter and weaker so it's kinda expected? that said i expected better since my 2017 i3 can be driven under 19 kWh/ 100km and isn't as efficient as the id3
And the Polestar 2 has two electric engines, four-wheel drive, 408 horsepower and Tesla-like acceleration 0-100km/h... The are two completely different cars
Maybe a little bit shorter range than expected, but remember that this is a 58 kWh battery. And that is gross capacity, right? 283 km is really not that bad at motorway speeds. Maybe it was more crosswinds than you thought too. The route is not north/south but actually changes direction a bit.. crosswind kinda equals headwind- both ways. 🤪 I don’t think the winter tires will affect the range negatively. The softer rubber may actually be beneficial to my experience, but check the tire pressure. European car manufacturers are quite conservative on their recommendations compared to certain America EV manufacturers. Does the average speed drop when you’re in Park? That’s so misleading. 🤬
Right in the morning, a video from Kris with my favourite EV !!!
You are teh best mate !!
Thank you so much mate! :)
Thank you for keeping this channel cult free.
Hi Chris. Are you using the latest software update? Currently the ID.3 and ID.4 are equipped with the ME 2.1 OTA (0792) version. The power consumption seems to be more favorable as a result.
Ah leave it to Kris to come up with a new car to test fully. It's so great to be able to compare the different cars in his vids cause of his format!
Thanks mate :)
Ahh,, a cool testing week ahead,, 👍😎👍!
Thanks Kris. Your a ⭐.
Yes indeed! Thanks 😊
Ford Mach-E accounts for all energy consumption and even shows the different types of consumption.
So what speeds did you see charging to 15 %? ;-)
Did it have the new 0792 software, too?
Tests of long range Pro S and short range Pure (with 100 kW charging upgrade) would be interesting in comparison, but maybe VW wants to wait for higher temperatures before giving cars out? Turning point had just 4.5 degrees this time.
Nice test again Kris👍
Thanks!
Kris, I think you are correct (at least for Tesla) the consumption figure does not included heating/cooling energy. It's only is the consumption the car uses to actually travel x km's. Basically that makes it a fair way to compare different cars efficiency, not taking into account other factors...
Thanks Kris! Thanks man,
Thank you for watching! :)
Thanks Kris, yes more real world available energy is always welcome and I do look forward to the ID 4 review, as the ID 3 is not available in Canada!!!
I agree with you Kris that EVs could estimate heat loss by using the battery percentage estimation, but it would only be an estimate. The kWh/km is an exact measurement based on amps drawn and voltage which can be precisely measured. I think that’s why they don’t want to give a fuzzy number with some estimated heat loss. My $0.02. Great video content.
Could you look up the software version? You find it by long pressing the home button on the infotainment screen. It is 4 digits and should start with 0.
Hello. Good video. I'm thinking could you use OBD scanner to estimate heat lost in the battery pack? The to compare temperature rise to other EVs.
To your question about WLTP efficiency. I think that ICE cars make so much heat from the burning of fuel that the heating of the cabin etc is “free” because you are normally trying to keep the engine cool. EV’s are using the “fuel” to not only push the car forward but also heat everything else up. I heard that the ID family of cars heat the battery to 16 degrees C so the efficiency could be a lot better in the summer. Another note on the ŠKODA Enyaq’s configurator there is a “heat pump for the battery” option. I wonder if that’s to help with power management?
The 283 km in this test might be true. In a 'drive till they die' test in Holland, they found that the ID.3 still went a long way past 0% SOC. Further than any other car.
If the wltp would be a over the year test...heating would be a large number.
EVs should get a rating....city / highway for summer and winter. And the carmakers should bring the „climate edition“ instead of fullyloaded almost to heavy to drive.
Range below 0% is worth noting and should never be used.
So true! As I refine my tests, this should give you guys good real world range of the EVs I test 😊
11ºc is a warm spring day?
Freezes in Portuguese.
My Xpeng G3 hits peak speed (80kW) immediately after plugging in, on third party networks and also on the xpeng network.
So if you charge to the recommended 80% of your battery pack you would only do 219km 136miles ?
Recomended 80% is only for daily driving. When having a long drive there is nothing wrong in charging it up to 100%.
Heating was on 20 degs. A key factor re range.
I like the ID3 and ID4 interms of looks and interior. I had higher hopes for a flat charging curve. Much like the e-tron one. Also the software needs a few tweaks. Still solid contenders for my next leaseperiod (only up for 2024 sadly :-)). Looking forward to the Hyundai Ioniq 5 battling the ID's and Model 3/Y for the crown in this segment (perhaps with the Kona\E-niro also).
Hope you will be able to test the Pro S 77 kWh ID3 soon.
Please do a short hop test as the car I tried with no preconditioning to get lunch the 10 mile loop at extra urban /town only got 2.1 miles per kw max due to the constant battery conditioning, also please test leaving parked unplugged the one I tried used 8kw from the pack doing nothing , temp that the was 4-6c my test had the original firmware
) really nice sir
Thanks :)
I like your real world tests. Range in EVs is only really relevant at long range driving speeds.
It would be interesting to see the difference in kWh charged compared to kWh used reported by the car as by the end of the day that is what you will be paying for.
While not a pure EV, my VOLVO XC60 T8 has about a 17% difference between the two which I assume is the heat loss during driving and charging. I guess you might have had a similar experience with you XC90 T8?
Kris, It seems like the audio is not synced with the video, I feel like I’m watching a foreign film. 😋 Retract issue, was on my end.
Are you sure about this? Tried another device and watched other content, to see if you experience the same?
@@omelvold sorry, it does seem to be a glitch on my end. Clean on retest. Thank you
So the ID.3 has lower consumption than the Polestar 2 (that had 24 kWh / 100 Km)...
smaller, lighter and weaker so it's kinda expected? that said i expected better since my 2017 i3 can be driven under 19 kWh/ 100km and isn't as efficient as the id3
And the Polestar 2 has two electric engines, four-wheel drive, 408 horsepower and Tesla-like acceleration 0-100km/h... The are two completely different cars
Agree with you efficiency is poor especially at a constant 68mph with good weather
Maybe a little bit shorter range than expected, but remember that this is a 58 kWh battery. And that is gross capacity, right? 283 km is really not that bad at motorway speeds. Maybe it was more crosswinds than you thought too. The route is not north/south but actually changes direction a bit.. crosswind kinda equals headwind- both ways. 🤪
I don’t think the winter tires will affect the range negatively. The softer rubber may actually be beneficial to my experience, but check the tire pressure. European car manufacturers are quite conservative on their recommendations compared to certain America EV manufacturers.
Does the average speed drop when you’re in Park? That’s so misleading. 🤬
Nice test. How did you manage not to get a speeding ticket?
Why would I get a speeding ticket? 🙈
@@KrisRifa I spotted that you drove 110km/h (dashboard speed) at 90 km/h zone. :)
@@KrisRifa Btw, are you going to test ID 4? Sounds more attractive for many people, since it has the tow bar.
Sorry, I meant Kris. 🤓