I'm not sure why, but I can't shake the feeling that Crowder has rejected her in some way- maybe he's been cold to her public flirtations and she's come off feeling humiliated. She's a very attractive woman, and can often be playfully seductive, and would be used to men being "cuntstruck". Crowder, always playing the righteous Christian husband, being a virgin till marriage, only having eyes for his wife- he probably iced her and now she must destroy him bwahahahaha
Destiny probably had fights with Melina where if it were clipped and leaked out, it could look very bad. It's not difficult to look at the situation from that perspective unless you've never been in a long relationship or too bias causing mental block.
I get Destiny point to wait for more information on stories but his "maybe his wife is lazy and refuses to clean the house therefore this justifies his behaviour" is a dunb argument
the reason why twins are on average delivered early is not because they just go into pregnancy early, its usually because a combination of factors like the mother's blood pressure or one of the twins not getting enough nutrition. a lot of times twins are delivered early and one of them is like 6 lbs and the other one is like 4 lbs.
This is wrong, preterm labor and subsequent delivery IS the most common complication in twin gestations. An ob might induce labor in preterm period for gestational or chronic hypertension but that's not the point you are trying to make
True . My twin almost died at birth and like couldn't breath on his own for years during the night . Apparently my mom was scared every night that my twin would just not wake up .we were both very small Apparently and delivered very early. My mom worked until the day she gave birth
She had a miscairrage prior to this pregnancy and anyone who has gone through a pregnancy loss knows you are hypervigilant and paranoid about anything that could be risky. My guess is that she was avoiding many tasks and being high risk she would have had physical restrictions. Yes this probably put an extra burden on him for chores. I think every couple who has had to deal with risky pregnancy and losses knows you just suck it up. It is temporary. If it was that much of a burden for him he could afford to get her some help.
@@blazikenowen What does that have to do with anything that was mentioned? He had chest surgery after this I believe, it's not like he was recovering from it actively during the time the video was recorded. Address what was said
Its funny cause Destiny is like “He might be on heart medication because he had heart surgery”. Literally speculating and doing the same shit everyone is doing just from the other side.
@@dreadheadedguardian what is there to address? the fact that we don't see evidence of him claiming "he will fuck her up" and him actively saying he can't see people or talk to them and her acting like hes abusing her? you do realize she had probably been planning to divorce him right? because considering she leaked this theres a chance that she had been acting for the camera and playing him like a fiddle even if he hadn't abused her at all if hes had surgery can't sort the dogs and shes literally just being lazy of course hes going to tell her to sort out the dogs because he can't physically do it and he got sick of her being lazy obviously we have no proof of anything other then a ring video but lets be honest hes not emotionally abusing his wife in the video and him not letting her take there only car isn't abuse or isolating infact her taking a uber or taxi would be safer then her driving especially considering she ended up giving birth early what would happen if she had drove and ended up in labour during driving then crashed? he would get the blame for letting her drive he was in a situation where he lost either way if he doesn't give her the car its "abuse" if he does and she dies in a car crash he shouldn't of let her take the car fact is one video of them arguing does not prove emotional abuse or that he had been emotionally abusive for years and it shouldn't be deemed like its absolute truth anyone can act especially when they have planned a divorce and want to make the other person out as the villian so they get a bigger pay out
@Thrash Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say in his announcement vid about the divorce that he didn't want the divorce in the first place and that he still loved her? Honestly, I'm asking.
Yeah. This actually happened to me. My wife Told me horrible things she did and said I couldn't do anything about it, cause she is pregnant with my children. But she loved me... No, but seriously this situation happened to my dad. so how about people stfu and stop pretending they know what they would do when they don't know the context of their relationship.
@@charlesfinland7788 No he said he doesn't believe in divorce. not that he still loved her. Basically it goes like this. They believe u sign a contract, a bond, that can't be broken unless death, etc. Therefor, it is about working on it etc no matter what and sticking together for family sake and because its your duty to follow through with your agreement.
For real. Even if the medicine is not toxic sometimes hormones can make pregnant women wary or animals they were not wary of before pregnancy. Also his dog is pretty big expecting a women pregnant with twins to make this dog take its medicine while the husband is literally right there is absurd.
Dan said it best when he called him Obtuse. Him ranting about what pregnancy is like. There is so much you aren't supposed to when you're pregnant and breastfeeding, it completely changes the way you live. It's a sacrifice, you sound so dumb arguing over chores.
I don’t know if the redpill is just rotting men’s brains or what, but when my wife was 8 months pregnant I was happily doing stuff for her, because I love her and that’s the nice thing to do
Not to mention how pregnancies can differ greatly from woman to woman and pregnancy to pregnancy. You could cite your own experience to shoot down someone making outrageous claims, sure. But it doesn't really advance the conversation to just say there's a chance this pregnancy might not be that bad.
Eh. Been pregnant and breastfed twice. It's a balance. Yeah, we need to be cut some breaks, but there is also such a thing as being overly coddled and victimized.
Destiny gets stuck in sounding like the ultimate skeptic position here, to the point where it sounds like he is assuming as much as anyone else. He needs to calm down and make sure all his points reflect that, instead of getting into shouting matches and sounding unhinged.
One hundred percent. It seems like if someone was even prefacing a statement with "probably" or "it seems like" that his reflexive response is "You dont KNOW!" which by that logic, I don't know how he can ever say anything about anyone's relationship dynamics ever.
Yelling and fights happen and a fight between any couple could be taken out of context and would look really bad is a completely valid point I still think destiny is wrong, because there's a difference between the stuff that can get said in the heat of the moment, but as someone whose been lwith my husband for 10+ years, you never say something like "I don't love you. I've never received love from you". Thats just a line that should never be crossed unless youre ready to end the relationship, because thats the only reasonable outcome. In this case, this is a manipulative and abusive tactic to have control over the relationship. It doesn't matter if she might be the most useless woman on the planet and he had the moral high ground all the way up to this point, there is no context where you weaponize love and use it against your partner in order to achieve a desired result like this. The fact that she's pregnant and excessive stress can cause complications, is just sociopathic and I could be wrong but I dont think this is a one off.
I think Destiny is always going to have this issue with bridge burning as long as he does this thing where he doubles down on something that he knows people inherently get passionate about, and insults, minimizes, and strawmans his friends and orbiters arguments. When Aba hopped on, and Destiny made the crying white woman crack -- he knows that's not a thing for Aba, but he said it anyway, to dismiss his argument. I can see how people would get tired of someone acting like he's the rational one, while being deliberately obtuse about why people are saying what they're saying. I believe Destiny is right about the video, regarding not coming to a definite conclusion, but getting mad at people who do, while insulting them, will wear thin on most people. And I think the disconnect comes when people insult him about specific things, they don't think it's a big deal, because most people don't separate their emotional responses when it comes to what is fair game for someone to insult you about. I don't know. Something like that.
BIIIIG Lestiny on the "pregnant woman" topic. But he can't handle this L and needs to climb to the most absured hyperbolic positions like "do pregnant women need to be bedwritten" etc.
He's being kinda weird about this. It's like he's just trying to argue for arguings sake, and is defending Crowder to the death with a bunch of weird anecdotes and guesses while condemning anybody that says anything even remotely defending the wife. It's weird.
@@croftmanor2k23 no man. Destiny is being wierd here. He somehow made the argument that Crowder who will have a future surgery might get covid and that's why crowder didn't want to take Uber. But its perfectly reasonable for Crowder to force his wife to take Uber who is 8 months pregnant. I mean what kind of world is he living in. In his world Pregnant women dont get covid.??? When did he became a covid denier.
1:09:49 L for destiny here. Saying crowder cant take an uber because he has heart surgery next month and could get covid, but somehow she cant get covid from an uber and infect him.
Yeah that's where I was like Destiny is being disingenuous now. Aba is correct with and somehow Having a heart surgery in the future somehow trumps the needs of a pregnant woman at present. Like WTF
@@kevincola3184haha I watch some of both destiny and Crowder, funny you mentioned that. Both have their imperfections but they're also both entertaining and make some decent points.
Not destiny saying crowder can’t take an Uber because of potential heart medication. Yet when the others mention dog medicine, he says “YOU DON’T KNOW” 🙄
I swear you people hear what you want to hear Destiny gave a POSSIBILITY ( AKA: I DONT KNOW ). When the others mentioned DOG MEDICINE they were NOT using it as a POSSIBILITY( AKA: I KNOW ). That was his problem
Not contradictory. He is saying MAYBE crowder cant travel because of medication (don't know) and MAYBE the medication is okay for pregnant women to handle (dont know). Either way you dont know and cant cast judgement until the facts are presented.
Why wouldn’t Steven be able to take an Uber on heart medication? I must have missed Destiny saying that….I know there’s plenty of medications where it’s _safer_ to take an Uber than to drive, not sure about the reverse
@@TonyCox1351 Idk, and you don't either. Why act like you know? Do you know what beyond reasonable doubt means? This 3 minute video isn't proof of anything, proof comes from investigation into the video itself. Meaning it will support a case, but it ISNT a case itself
@@TecTitan YOU'RE RIGHT, he IS speculating. But the others are NOT, THAT'S the problem. YOU AGREE with Destiny They are giving their own arguments the "benefit of the doubt" and Destiny is telling them NOT to; While Destiny is GIVING speculation to prove why "benefit of the doubt" may not be what's best given a 3 minute video Like holy. . . He does this, with every case, and people react the same way every time and he's right every time - to wait for info
I’m a dog walker and one of the dogs I walk was on chemotherapy. The dogs vet said to use gloves when collecting her poop. Some medications are toxic for pregnant women or any human
@@underpant No, that's not what they're saying. Gloves reduce risk, they don't eliminate it entirely at all, and if you're already a person with a high risk factor, it makes sense to not want to even take the reduced risk.
Yeah that was a massively shitty thing to say, not just because it's rude, but because its just a completely speculative ad hominem that has nothing to do with anything. Trying to tell someone your armchair psychoanalysis of their motivations is some seriously bush league bitchy debate stuff.
Bruh come on. That only became a point WAAAAAY into the conversation. Nobody caref about the conservative nan bit cut the crap. Everyone already assumes these people don't like the life they preach by default.
@@aliyahabrahamsHow? Because he said a true statement? Is Aba the fucking conservative value police? You can't make a point at the end of an argument and then say it was the premise for your argument when everything else you said was about the fact that she is pregnant
@@dxshawn532 he specifically said crying white woman and Aba is known for being sceptical of crying white women. Additionally, Abaʼs points were mostly valid imo. (Sceptical is the British spelling, no I didnʼt spell it wrong.)
This was such a frustrating listen. Destiny’s thesis is correct (be careful about assumptions from a 3min video) but he dug in his heels so hard against making any assumption/possibility that it made him look unreasonable. A few of my contentions with this conversation: I think someone finally said this at the end, but it seems very likely that Crowder’s wife was just trying to leave the situation because she was upset. (I have similar reactions when I’m in a fight-I just need to go drive/walk somewhere and cool down). Going to the store is an excuse. Does a pregnant woman want to be hauling bags of wood pellets? No, but it’s better than being at home. Is walking dogs more strenuous than the store? It depends. Maybe the dog pulls and she’s afraid of falling. Maybe the dog needs a 2 mi walk to burn off energy. Maybe squatting to pick up dog shit is really hard with a giant belly in front of her. In comparison, strolling around a store with a cart might be way easier. And undoubtedly, being pregnant in your mid 30s with twins when you’ve miscarried before is a different story than a first-time low-risk single pregnancy in your 20s, and acknowledging that is not treating a woman like a “r******* child”. Yes, a lot of women work until late in pregnancy because they don’t have a choice-it’s still uncomfortable, especially in the final weeks when it’s harder to sleep, babies are consuming more nutrients/oxygen, your organs are crushed, and your ligaments are softening to make way for labor. That’s not to say that all pregnant women are completely incapacitated and need bed rest for the last 2 months. It’s to say that we rightly should give them some extra grace and kindness for that temporary time because they’re likely exhausted and uncomfortable with little relief. Giving dogs medication can suck even if the medication ISN’T harmful to pregnant women. I have to get on the floor and hold my dog’s mouth closed so she swallows a pill. But there are a lot of human and animal meds that can cause fetal issues if handled. This is not super uncommon or unthinkable at all. When I worked in a pharmacy there were common prescriptions that I was advised to not count/bag if it was possible I was pregnant (and we didn’t touch the pills by hand).
Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Pregnant women are advised to not handle typical cleaning products without being in full hazmat gear, so Steven is way off here. And I agree she was absolutely trying to get some space and sincs he was complaining she wasn't getting him what he needed, she might as well to help ease things
What? She could literally just go anywhere on an Uber why does she need to take the car groceries. You guys can’t just keep making assumptions and assume that’s why there’s sufficient proof that this video shows crowder is an abuser
Holy shit thank you, Destiny has an L take here. It's not unreasonable to make certain assumptions. If all Destiny said was "maybe you're right, I guess we'll see when more information comes out" instead he's defending crowder to the death over nonsense. Isn't Destiny also a huge proponent to Occam's razor? What's more likely, the wife is trying to get out of a seemingly toxic situation and is probably not comfortable giving medication to a dog and would rather do some light grocery shopping? Or she's a master manipulator?
@@draszi That was already Destiny's take. Stardust came in to argue why Steven was FOR SURE abusive and there was no other way to view the video. He dug in his heels because everyone else was making assumptions to further their points instead of saying "He seems abusive, but let's see if there is other evidence before we make these claims"
@@elfboy676 Maybe I misinterpreted it but that's now how I took it. I think stardust was complaining that destiny was taking no stance and was saying it was equally possible that there was some background where it would make the wife to be some lazy bitch or just as culpable. I think it's fair to assume that the woman is probably more likely to be correct in this SPECIFIC instance
Destiny is acting like his certainty threshold for coming to a conclusion is the objectively correct one, and anyone else willing to weigh the evidence as-is must be stupid for not choosing to wait for more info -- as though it's some great sin to change your mind at a later date if mitigating information came out in the future. There will always be "more info" you could hypothetically wait for before deciding what you think is happening. Your threshold for how much info you need vs what someone else needs isn't any more valid just because it's yours, especially since you guys are just internet talking heads and your opinions on this matter mean nothing either way.
Its not a sin to change your mind later, but people make up their minds then decide to talk tons of shit, and plaster their name everywhere. Guy named kwite on youtube was accused of rape people jumped on him for it, turns out there was overwhelming evidence to prove it wasn't true. His name was drug through the mud for it and people changed their minds but the damage was already done.
This is my issue too. He used to be big on Bayesian reasoning in the past and I think this is a perfect place for it. The video doesn't tell us a single thing with 100% certainty, but to act like anyone adjusting their probabilities based on the video is "jumping to conclusions" and that for every reasonable assumption we just shriek "you dont know!" Seems like it's just unnecessarily being an ultimate skeptic.
@@Venmerr shit, I remember that one. He even had to do a face reveal which actually kinda bummed me out seeing a comedy channel have to get serious through no fault of their own.
These are my thoughts too. But I think as a public figure it makes sense for him to wait for more evidence. Its just hard to tell what he thinks when he runs defence so hard. It can get confusing.
@@dylankempthorne Yeah, it feels like he got baited by moronic chatters in the first video and now every time someone makes even a small assumption he's got to point out that we don't KNOW Crowder is abusive. It's not wrong, it's just kind of needlessly contentious sometimes.
What Destiny actually said "I think Crowder is a piece of shit and I think he's probably abusive to his wife but I don't have enough evidence to definitely conclude it right now." What everyone else hears "I secretly love conservatives and hate women so Crowder is definitely in the right."
Destiny channel member dickriding one of his worst takes, surprise surprise. Dude is out here working OVERTIME because he knows leaks are going to come when Melina leaves him lmao.
Cope. If he said that when he initially saw the clip, nobody would have an issue. Instead he yelled “So what if she’s pregnant? Wtf does that have to do with anything?” like a retard.
@@Observette he did say that when he initially saw the clip , it sounds like you are just quoting the first clip you saw of him commenting on the matter
Neither side is good. Crowder could very well be a controlling, mentally abusive spouse, but I really don't like Owens either. She is a grifting opportunist that will turn her back on anything or anyone as soon as it suits her to do so. For example, she was helped out greatly by the NAACP in the past when she was a student being bullied/harassed by white students, one of which was the son of the mayor or something. With the NAACP's help, she was able to sue and get money. Now when she started doing Conservative content, she wants to act like such issues of people being targeted and harassed for their skin color is not really an issue.
Destiny's not wrong for wanting to wait for more info, but hes just being so resistant to try and be understanding I cant tell if hes purposefully trying to be obtuse or just arguing to argue
He is being understanding. To both crowder and the wife. Everyone else is instantly taking the wife's side and not offering a lick of understanding to crowder.
@@alynthequestseeker3017 Not really. Nobody is denying the wife could be doing wrong. Even if the wife is also bad, there's no excuse for Crowder to act the way he did. There's a slim chance there's something to justify his behavior. But given past circumstances it not unreasonable to infer malice on his end. Also he keeps mentioning the Amber Herd thing... most people recognize BOTH OF THEM WERE ABUSIVE. That's a possibility in this case as well, and nobody is denying that. Being abused doesn't justify abusing back.
@@Conantas How was Jonny Depp abusive? You realize that’s not what the court ruled right? Do you have any understanding of the facts of the case? Is him being a piss drunk and drugged out sleepy head count as abuse to you?
We can only be understanding of wthings we actually know. The problem here is people are feigning understanding by jumping to conclusions that are not yet supported by evidence.
@@Conantas no one is exuding Crowders actions. We are humanizing them. What if someone clipped up your worst moment ever for a 3 minute video and leaked it to use against you? Would you be fine accepting any labels they could make about you?
Walking a dog and grocery shopping is so different lol as someone who was just pregnant, I rather go to the grocery store than walk my hyper dog that pulls. I just hate how confident destiny is about his knowledge on pregnancy. Until u experience it you’ll never know how exhausting and mobility restricting it can be.
If we didn't know any better one would probably think he's been pregnant before, he's so fucking confident it's so easy and that pregnant women should just suck it up. It's borderline incel behavior.
Yea but we don’t know if they have a hyper dog or if it’s well trained. What destiny is saying is why don’t we wait till more facts come out instead of speculating on what things could be. Also I don’t like Crowder at all but we should still wait on info
Holy fuck it’s insane how you guys don’t get why Destiny is getting so triggered over this. We have zero evidence that it would be easier to go to the grocery store instead of walking their dog. Their dog could be old as fuck on its last leg you don’t know so stop crucifying people for wanting to wait for more information and stop pulling assumptions out of thin air.
@@queenkahlua579Making fun of the movements believe all women and me too isnt the same as being misogynistic. Ill concede that a lot of people who make fun of the movements are misogynists but they arent all the same. Those movements suck.
@@sakispdsw What is misogynistic is when 1% of women behave with a fraction of the same ferocity of 99% of men, it is suddenly an indictment of all women. And that isn't even what is being represented here.
@@queenkahlua579 The joke is pointing out that people are biased, the right wingers being against believe all women aren't above this either, the second that it's someone they don't like we're back to the same biases showing. it has nothing to do with the poster being misogynistic. TLDR: seek professional help
God wouldn't it be amazing if Crowder's wife said, "Steven I cannot give the dog 2022 ALMOST EXPIRED PURINA DEWORMER BOUGHT FROM CHEWY WITH A 10% OFF COUPON WITH BLUE NITRILE GLOVES WE GOT OFF AMAZON LAST SUMMER."
😂 For real, even if the specifics of the interaction were stated it doesn’t make how he treated her or the things he said to his heavily pregnant wife okay. Destiny being obtuse af for no reason
Kinda funny how Destiny is confidently telling the others to wait and that they have no idea but then proceeds to confidently stating how the video is clearly edited while having no idea. And Aba even makes the point. Lol
I don't think these two things are contradictory. All you need to know if the video has signs of being edited is the video itself no? To know if the relationship between Crowder and his wife is antagonistic or one sidedly abusive, more info would be needed. Although it's definitely already not looking good for him as it stands.
@@SuperAJ1996 aba who has a ring camera made the point that the ring light cuts the video on its own. Destiny immediately dismissed this point even though someone else with the ring in the call backed it up. Now destiny is proven to be wrong despite claiming knowledge
@@jessecorrell996 The explanation they gave for why the cuts happened wasn't complete and it sounded like it wouldn't apply in this situation, but the full explanation showed that it does. I agree that Destiny should have stuck to saying it looks like it might have been edited instead of making a strong statement about that for sure. I agree with the general notion that strong statements should be based on strong evidence
@@SuperAJ1996 yeah because as smart as destiny is he often falls into the trap of needing to be the smartest in the room. Aba was coming from a place of authority and destinys own biases made him dismiss it. This makes his point that they need to wait till the proper info comes out seem disingenuous. Especially because hes being ridiculously charitable to crowder despite the other side only arguing he sort of seems like an asshole
@@chris_tine1430 is it safer for her to drive or a stranger? Also I think many people are framing this uber driver/stranger thing a little too seriously, are we all now afraid to ride in ubers because the drivers might be grapers or killers?
@Jeremy Dussault remember this is June 2021, covid is much more of a thing. And yes going to the grocery in this context is still better because she wants to get away to get alone
I love how destiny said the ring thing is a huge cope and the video is obviously edited, then literally a couple hours later the ring thing was shown to be true and the video wasn’t edited, lmao
Yup I enjoyed that too. Thats why you don't go scorched earth indignant. Guy just screamed and looked like a moron. One of the big tells was his strawman that babies would die instantly if she did it haha.
Destiny treating grocery shopping like you have to cross the Mojave Desert past some Deathclaws 😂. They probably live in a wealthy upperclass area. The grocery stores are likely very stress free, clean, safe, and easy to navigate.
I live in one of the most violent drug-addicted and poor cities in my state, I have literally never encountered a grocery store that deviates from your description.
@@oakwood06 Pregnant women also got those electric scooters. Checkout/Stockers can help them with grabbing things from shelves. They’re usually treated the same as elderly in-store.
I agree with the orbiters. Destiny goes all "I don't know if any of you have ever interacted with a pregnant woman" while it's clearly him that has no clue. At 8 months with twins her wishes are everyone else's commands, come the fuck on. You don't debate bro that shit asking for studies proving that some dog medication might be bad for the pregnancy, what cringe is this!? (Then again, I'm also from a country where pregnant women working until hours before delivery is seen as barbarism, so maybe it's just US things.)
Definitely US things. Work culture here is all about work work work. If you are using your sick days you better be dying or have Covid, or else you're lazy. Vacation is for people who 'earn' it. Breaks at work are circumvented whenever possible.
Her wishes aren’t anyone else’s shit, but regardless if handling medication is apparently off the table despite us having no information whether the issue was the toxicity of the medication then how is driving any better?
@@yorhahoudini4531 I'm not going to debate bro that stupid point. You're right, we do not have evidence either way, super deep point. Now, if you ever grow up, leave your basement and try to procreate, please do yourself a favor and take care of your pregnant wife.
@@atetraxx yeah near the end of last nights stream a fan came on who did an analysis of the video and also did some reading on ring forums. Turns out after seeing movement the camera starts recording for 60 seconds. Then no matter what happens in that time it cut the video. Then it waits for more movement before it does another recording. Theres also a thing where it try to go back 3 seconds into the last recording and if it sees movement then it will make another video that is slight cut early. When aba was talking in this aba said he has a ring camera and has had this issue himself, but destiny kinda blew him off here because destiny was frustrated.
He was so fucking certain about that too. After constantly arguing the most unlikely of scenarios with "we just don't know for sure", he was like "it's clearly edited, they're moving the whole time, thinking it went out is a major cope". He gave absolutely no quarter to anyone claiming the camera COULD have just cut out by itself, as if these Amazon smart home products never have any bugs or glitches .
Lol that’s what people said about the Rittenhouse situation too but then went suspiciously silent after the verdict. You guys need to understand that not judging a relationship based entirely off a single sketchy video and some he said she said isn’t the most insane position to have.
I think one point that hasn’t been made is it’s a hell of a lot easier for the partner of a pregnant woman to just give the dog medication while she’s pregnant to mitigate any accidental exposure or help her out with an annoying task where she may have to bend over with that big ass belly, as opposed to arguing, telling her to put gloves on and to just do it if she loves him. This argument was about CONTROL. That much is apparent.
If her being pregnant is such big concern, then why Is she trying to drive the car by herself where she can potentially get in a crash or go into labor?
@@AfroDevilBecause one is (most likely despite how adamant destiny is) potentially just a toxic medication, if that’s the case that’s all there is to it. Cars aren’t dangerous because they’re toxic they’re always potentially dangerous but you’re not going to expect someone to never leave their house, an Uber can also get in an accident.
Because the world is unfair and pregnancy can be difficult and the U.S. mortality rate is higher than it should be. We want to reduce any stress we can especially since both parties are responsible for the pregnancy but one partner didn't have to carry the children.
@@11DaltonB or it's just a suppository like lots of pet medications that require you to wear gloves to administer.... I mean that's obviously the more likely scenario but you can ride the toxic medicine train if you want...it's just autistic.
Yeah, every time the argument was made that "it's just a pill, why is it so hard for her to handle?" That was my first question. If it's so easy, why can't the big masculine tradcon provider of the house just do it?
I feel like this is one of those few times where Destiny is being contrarian for the sake of it. Maybe because there are those just waiting for something to attack Crowder with, but still
Most of Destiny's good takes are when they incidentally align with his belief system. When that disconnect is present, the moral and intellectually integrity of his arguments start to unravel. This is such a piss-poor take that is rooted mostly in emotional appeal with a few deceptive semantic arguments thrown in the mix so he can pretend to stay "on brand" and most plausibly a massive self-report due to his own past experiences.
@@SB-se7vb Destiny's take is literally the single most ethical and legal take a person could have in this scenario. Outting yourself in real as being a Crowder hate-fucker. Embarrassing for you
@@friendlypup5650 But at the same time he’s jumping to conclusions in order to remain “neutral” on the clip. Crowder does not look good in this clip no matter how you spin it
Ironically Destiny saying “I’m not taking a hard stance on this topic because we don’t know” wound up being him taking a hard stance on this topic because he doesn’t know Edit: I think I overestimated the comment section here. So just to be clear for the idiots in the back. I’m not condemning Destiny. I’m just saying the situation he’s in is funny, that’s all.
His hard stance is I am not supporting or not supporting him, hard stance is not about crowder its about the principle of how he conducts himself and news that come out
Normally my wife did the litter box but during the pregnancy I did it instead because it can be dangerous for the woman, no big deal. Also she works in a pharmacy, she had to be remove super early because some medication can indeed cause birth defect to the baby, no matter how you manipulate it (normal people don't know the proper way to put on and dispose of contaminated gloves)
That blue hair fairy thinks just cause what he went thru was 1 way, means that every situation closely related to that has to go that way or the person is retarded. Meanwhile he's a 30 something adult arguing with teens and early 20s who haven't seen anything in life
Destiny immediately linked this with his own personal life and experience living with a pregnant girlfriend. He's defending himself not his girlfriend.
As someone who's been pregnant twice, Destiny's take on pregnancy is dumb as hell. Women work up until birth because they HAVE to and not because they like to. It's FINE but not optimal. "Your feet swell a little bit and they might be more agitated" etc etc. Sir.
When did he say that women who worked while pregnant liked to? How would that negate anything he said regarding whether or not women can work while pregnant? Are you suggesting that all women who worked while pregnant didn't want to but had to?
That's a fair point. He even said he might be a little crazy on that one, so I took it with a grain of salt. It doesn't really negate his larger argument or anything, but it's still good hearing from someone who's been through this. I hope you stick around in this community, because we need more parent perspectives.
Disagree. Just the other week I saw two or 3 pregnant women working out at the gym I work at. You can't tell me those 3 women felt "forced" to go to the gym. Different women deal with pregnancy differently.
@@bongokevinson2161 lmao okay that’s not how I meant this comment. He was falsely accused of abuse by actual psycho Mr girl for being mean in debates to smaller streamers (which isn’t abuse) it was never in a sexual or romantic context. Mr girl tried to find allegations of abuse from destiny’s exes and he admitted he couldn’t find anything
I think by dying on this steven crowder hill hes making himself look more like an abuser to a huge audience than 10 mr girl manifestos could. Nobody outside of this bubble gave a shit about that. Now people are calling him an abuser fucking everywhere and he did this to himself for absolutely no reason.
Here’s us praying: Candace SILENT when everyone else shares positive stories and kind words, absolutely cackling when they’re joking about him dying in a friend way
I’m really frustrated that no one made these points in response to Destiny, so now i’m writing it. 1. There is nothing bad about being precautious with jumping to conclusions too early, nor is it wrong to be charitable. **BUT** Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations. A lot of the times he will also make qualified guesses and make certain assumptions without the full scope. He only seems to apply this ultra high level of charitability, when he can be edgy & contrarian about it. Like when he tip toed around calling Nick Fuentes a white nationalist/nazi. He would never be this charitable to a leftist. I’ve seen him many times making assumptions about people based on little evidence. 2. There is also nothing wrong with making assumptions & qualified guesses, as long as they’re based in reality & reason. In most cases we don’t posses all the evidence, so we make certain jumps & assumptions based on the evidence we’ve got. If the all the evidence we got points in a certain direction, it is absolutely fair to have an opinion on the subject. As long as you admit that it is not 100% confirmed, and that it is just your personal assesment, it should be fine to have a qualified guess or belief. If we didn’t do this, we most likely couldn’t have any beliefs or have any assesments of the world at all. We have to make some assumptions, because we can know everything all the time.
“Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations.” Are these ‘similar situations’ where significant claims such as abuse and being flown around? Are these ‘similar situations’ where more evidence will probably be made available? It would help if you provided some examples to support your claim. Your second point is only reasonably if the assumption is in regard to a trivial conclusion, its dangerous if it involves serious accusations. The fact that we never have 100% of the evidence does not excuse instances where there is clearly insufficient evidence. Its why we have concepts like the presumption of innocence. To say that something is a qualified guess suggests that there is a degree of knowledge behind the guess, which on any reading is impossible seeing as this is a 3min clip from an 8 year marriage.
1) Destiny ABSOLUTELY called Nick Fuentes a white nationalist. 2) The words "Nazi" and "Abuser" are both career, potentially life ending words that Destiny doesn't think should be thrown around lightly. 3) Destiny never said there was anything wrong with making guesses. Destiny said there was something wrong with treating a guess, even if a qualified one, as a definitive assertion, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are this high for the people involved. Literally EVERY SINGLE CASE where the stakes involve abuse or sexual misconduct or career ending allegations, Destiny has ALWAYS approached it the exact way he's approaching it in this video. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to search for the rest of time through his channel for that 10 second clip that proves me and anybody with half a brain wrong.
@@undeadman7676 so since you seem to know EVERY SINGLE CASE, can you give like 3 examples where destiny refuses to call someone a nazi or an abuser? Other than the fuentes example, since you're so big on evidence
Regarding the Crowder video (pinned comment by August): I was the one who came on Destiny explaining this (8:12:10 Kick VOD 4/29/2023) The camera records for 60 seconds guaranteed (unless you set it to something diff like 30 or 90, etc. seconds guaranteed), + roughly 2 second combined buffer before/after to show what happened just before motion begun. After the 60 seconds are up the camera needs to detect motion again. So if after 60 seconds there is no real motion, for X number of seconds, then does X number of seconds will not get captured until new motion begins, even if there was significant motion at 57 seconds (I found Ring forum posts complaining about this). This is why during each cut it does not appear like anyone really moved. Also why the time where the cut begins is right before she starts moving again. That is the new motion being detected. There are 2 time cuts, 41 seconds being cut 0:25, and 8 seconds at 2:34. The cut at 1:31 is not an actual cut, here the timestamp goes back 4 seconds actually, that is because this is what it looks like when the 60 seconds are up but there was motion immediately during the end of the 60 seconds, so the timestamp discrepancy is likely processing and saving, and grabbing a new true timestamp. In conclusion, we can see that there is 1:02 (62s) seconds between each cut which lines up with what the camera does, and we can see that the two actual cuts (0:25 and 2:34) happen when there is no motion and motion starts again. We lost ~48 seconds due to lack of motion, not due to deliberate editing.
I think everyone over thinking this shit lol she didn’t care about the dogs or grocery shopping he was being a dick and she was trying to get the fuck away from him and he was preventing her from leaving with the car
Yeah, such a difficult thing to believe, lmao. He's an asshole and seems like a pretty trash human in all regards. This whole thing is telling to say the least.
5:57 about 6 months before she decided to become a Shapiroist, she was working to develop a website that would dox anyone on the RW who said something problematic anonymously. The point of the venture was to trace peoples anonymous post to their name and address which would be posted online. It didn’t really take off so she did the Rubin pivot. She’s one of the most shameless grifters in the game - which is a monumental accomplishment considering the competition.
I remember all of that. But I don’t think she’s grifting. People change their views all the time in their early 20s. I definitely did. She’s always been very sensitive and vindictive, and so is Crowder. That’s why they’re both always doing impulsive, dumb things.
Destiny keeps missing the point. For example the surgery. It doesn’t matter if it was purely cosmetic or not. It was in fact elective and he elected to have it within a window of time that he knew his wife would be giving birth. That isn’t necessarily abusive but it does give us a glimpse of his priorities. As far as the video is concerned I think anyone who has first or second hand experience with emotional abuse can identify crowder’s abusive behavior. More context might reveal that his wife is also abusive but it won’t change the fact that crowder was in that clip. At the end of the depp/heard trial we learned that they were both abusive to varying degrees not that depp was an angel. At best more context in this situation will lead to a similar conclusion. As it stands we have video evidence of crowder being emotionally abusive. More information won’t change that. Defending his behavior is moronic.
Destiny is being difficult for no reason. It doesn't have to be the case that as soon as the pregnant lady touches a medicine her fetuses are automatically ejected from her uterus for her to be concerned. Even if the medicine said "handle with care", it's perfectly fine for her to ask someone else to give the dog the medicine. It's irrelevant whether the drug is actually dangerous to pregnant people. Maybe she's being paranoid, who gives a fuck. It's your wife, her pregnancy is high risk, she's worried about it and all you have to do is finish smoking your fucking cigar and spend two minutes of your life to give the dog the medicine for your wife to be at ease. Especially since she's perfectly happy to do other chores in the meantime, like go grocery shopping. This should be a complete non-issue. Also, comparing grocery shopping and handling the medicine is fucking stupid. It's like Destiny doesn't understand people's fears and concernes aren't coming from a rational place and information backed up by statistics. He's so busy being a contrarian he's forgetting to be a human being again.
So she gets to be irrational because she’s pregnant? It is extremely likely this entire argument isn’t solely about the dog meds. That’s only the surface. It seems to be the case she has issues doing anything around the house even before she was pregnant. So his frustrations with her culminated into this one big moment. He looks bad in the video but that doesn’t mean he’s an abusive husband. Do you think if anyone released a video of you at your worst moment, that it would be fair to draw conclusions about you just based on a 3 minute video?
@@giovalladares1022 how did you possibly come up with that conclusion when she literally offered to do a chore in place of giving the dog medicine i agree it’s hard to judge a relationship based on a 5 minute clip, but all these “what ifs” lead to nothing, so this clip coupled with the fact his wife is literally the one divorcing him leaves me to be believe that crowder was the problem in the relationship. and even if his wife was being lazy, that doesn’t excuse the smoking a cigar right in front of her face, telling her she needs to be disciplined, and shouting “I will fuck you up” when she’s trying to leave the house. oh, AND she’s 8 months pregnant. crowder complaining that that she needs to do her wifely duties proposes 0 evidence that she doesn’t do chores, especially since he’s a man with high traditional values so I really doubt he would marry and stay with a woman like that in the first place.
@@Throwaway-xr6zd “And no, this was not my choice,' he added. 'My then-wife decided that she didn't want to be married anymore and in the state of Texas, that is completely permitted.” he literally said this in his own video
As someone who breeds dogo Argentino dogs, I can say that 2 of these dogs are very hard to handle and almost impossible for an 8 month pregnant woman to handle without risk. These dogs are twice as large as a pitbull and magnitudes more aggressive with a high hunt drive when it comes to other animals.
Thank you for your input. Do you know what dog they have? Is it a difficult dog? I know their dog was sick and on its last legs. So I highly doubt your anecdote is relevant.
@Gio Valladares they are dogo Argentino and often suffer from dysplasia in the joints of the back legs. It is usually treated with anti inflammatory drugs in the form of pills.
Or maybe they just have to put the stuff in some treats. But hey, I guess that isn't an acceptable scenario when you want to make everything the worst.
@usucdik I don't know what to think about this situation. Crowder looks bad but who knows. I just commented on the type of dogs and the ability of a pregnant woman to walk them. As for the dog medicine, I know some are toxic to pregnant woman but we still don't know what the medication is. Personally I wouldn't risk it if my wife was pregnant.
@@friendlypup5650 he's not, because bro is working off The same information as the others but pretending they are somehow more wrong for believing the opposite side of the situation as firmly as he believes Crowders side
@@yoyyoy6376 he’s not saying they’re wrong. He’s saying nobody should be confident to make assumptions based off a 3 minute video when there are so many other explanations that could change the context
@@friendlypup5650agreed. We've literally all seen this before with heard vs Depp. Whole lot of people ended up looking very dumb when they believed the jilted partner. Just wait for more info, be skeptical at first when it's he said she said. Some people will just continue making this mistake and then acting like it's nothing when it blows up on them. Kudos to destiny.
Lmao yeah I find it pretty hilarious how Candace posts up her own little exoneration while not showing us any other messages from any other conversation.
Destiny got baited into defending Crowder here. He should have remained steadfast in his agnostic stance in the altercation. Whatever caveat he made at the beginning was long forgotten by the time they talked about dog medications.
True, he was best just sticking to it only being footage of a fight close to the end of their marriage. I don't know how much we can get just from this but he's stuck arguing every point and making his own assumptions.
Im sorry, but pregnant women arent even allowed to eat fish, you are literally not "allowed" to even touch certain things. Steven is out of line here. Grocery shopping during a pandemic seems risky too, but she said she needed space and he was throwing a fit about things he needed so it kinda makes sense.
It doesn't matter because the point isn't even if it is risky, the point is that you don't KNOW for SURE. So you shouldn't make strong claims about it. That's his whole point. You can't say crowder is being an asshole because he's trying to get his wife to touch toxic dog medicine because you do not know if that medicine is toxic. You can GUESS. But you don't KNOW. That's the issue. Even if there was 1000 types of dog medication and 999 of them were toxic, you can't say that crowder is making her touch toxic medicine if you simply don't know that he could have the 1/1000. Bring it down to the realistic case where theres a lot of non-toxic medication, and it seems a lot more like people trying to layer on extra things as a dunk independent of proof.
How Candace Owens has stayed partially relevant I will never understand. She started out as a far left idiot trying to collect data for big corporations. Now she pretends to be a far right idiot. Jfc I hate everything she represents. She is a semi-sapient embodiment of grift
Honestly, yes some women labor up until birth. Others are indeed bed-ridden. Some develop diabetes or preeclampsia and need to take it slow due to blood pressure problems. Like Steven, chill with the commentary on pregnancy dude. I usually agree with you and I’m inclined to say you have a point on this but the claims about pregnancy are wild!
i think it's because america traditionally treats pregnant people like garbage. having to work up till when the baby pops out i think is a uniquely american thing because they don't believe in mat leave.
She CLEARLY wasn’t bed bound… “I’ll be back when I’m back” I’m sure she was hanging with her friends constantly too leaving the house a wreck and neglecting her husband post surgery
@BeanyBabyRabie you can't be bedbound as a pregnant woman, because women are at risk for DVTs, so ambulating as tolerated is tolerated for pregnant women.
Like I said. I’m inclined to agree with Steven here. We should generally be critical in our analysis, but his take on what pregnant women can or cannot do lacks nuance.
From my understanding the Dog medicine thing isnt that its a strenuous activity like Destiny is implying, but that its an uneccessary risk for someone who's pregnant. Even if theres barely any risk, why risk it? Like which is more believeable, she doesnt want to because its too physically strenuous for her, or she doesnt want to because its an unecessary risk?
Okay, so she shouldn't be doing anything at all, all day long then? Oh i'm pregnant i'm gonna just stay in bed for the next 3 months. You don't have ANY context as to their relation that's the whole point destiny is making. ALL of these claims and speculations are just that, random guesses! Stop!
Uh just FYI pregnant women should absolutely not drink even a glass of wine once a week. Every drink increases the risk of fetal alcohol syndrome and there can be lesser effects that don't meet the standard for the full syndrome. Like yes some alcohol isn't a 100% chance of FAS but you really should never be intentionally drinking while pregnant.
@@MrKnuxer all you have to do is look up " one Glass of wine while pregnant" I can't provide links but all the articles basically say one fucking glass of wine, Especially later in term, won't have an effect on child development and that makes sense when you give it two seconds of thought
Agreed. On his show, Crowder uses metaphors a lot. He’ll go on his politically driven monologue about something, state a premise up front, and then use that premise as an analogy at the end. “Put on the gloves” could be referring to handling toxic medication. “Put on the gloves” could be about metaphorical boxing gloves, and he’s saying “fight for your conservative principles”. Destiny missed a lot of obvious points like this because of how triggered the others were making him.
Having sex with my cousin doesnt guarantee the kids will be messed up, but that doesnt mean im having sex with my cousin. What is all this weird crap about stressing an 8 month pregnant woman with twins on the way being okay? At that point it doesnt matter what has happened or will happen. Spoil that woman and do everything you can to make sure you bring a couple healthy children into the world.
Because Destiny will always be ‘waiting for more information’ as a way to handwave abuse. Not to say that ‘waiting for more information’ is bad on its own, but it only ever goes one way with Destiny, which is whatever is the most contrarian position is at the time. My guy is still ‘waiting for more information’ on Amouranth when it’s been god knows how long since then, and for some insane reason he thinks that ‘She does hot tub streams of her own volition’ is some kind of proof that her BF wasn’t ever controlling or abusive and that he was ‘right’ on the situation lmao. Destiny doesn’t care about the truth, he cares about whatever counter-narrative at the moment will cause the most controversy and clip posts on LSF. It’s like watching a TERF say ‘Just wait for the studies showing how miserable people who transition are! No! Not those studies! Not those studies either! Annnnnny minute now the ones proving me right will come out! I’m just waiting for more information is all. I’m so open minded and don’t jump to conclusions you see! Annnnnny minute now!’
coming back to this video to see destiny go hard on the point that the video was edited only to be proven wrong while judging and criticizing everyone else for jumping to conclusions.
"Your client doesn't have the money to keep Candace Owen's from speaking out" I'm sorry Candace are you implying that there is actually a price for your silence? Edit: Also my dog used to have eye drops, and the instructions said not to get on your hands.
Basically every argument destiny usually makes could easily be refuted with “but you dont even know.” This really feels like destiny working out his feelings from past relationships in real time.
@@IAmAllEyes Nah he is right. This video was leaked to make Crowder look as bad as possible. Why not leak even more Videos when they got Ring cams? What happend after the Video? Before? He looks like a piece of shit in this video, sure. But we have 0 info about anything but these few minutes.
No, that is HIS argument.. he's humble and says when he's speculating and try to motivate his statements, whilst other people claim a certain truth without sufficient evidence
@@Thismaybetheyearidissappear sure, but regardless if it is edited or not, parts of the video is "missing" and I argue that not the whole context is available at this time
the take is braindead. it only makes sense if you assume there's no context to their 10 yr marriage, like a pattern of using excuses to systematically avoid taking on responsibilities.
My daughter works at a veterinary clinic, and she were prevented from handling any medications from the moment they knew she were pregnant. She were prevented and covered by her coworkers from any medication for the pets they treated. And yes some of the medication is given through syringes, and the worst thing that could happen is that the pet gets cranky and the needle pokes her. Because of the safety for both the baby and her, they don’t take any chances, big or small.
I feel like Destiny is missing, either intentionally or unintentionally, what Crowder said. He didn’t just say to put on gloves if she’s committed. He ALSO said, “….and walk the dogs”. As someone who was married and had 3 children in 3 separate pregnancies, certain things a can be more manageable than others for pregnant women. Walking dogs, even if in disagreement (and I endured a few turmoil ridden pregnancies), if you’re not a total dick, walking the dogs when your wife is pregnant with twins is not asking too much. I’ve worked 12+ hour shifts and came home and cleaned my house and did other things with the children while my pregnant wife went grocery shopping. It happens. And there’s nothing wrong Crowder being asked to do things he didn’t want to do while they were having issues when she’s THAT far along. From experience. When your child is involved, all that other stuff goes out the window. Destiny isn’t being reasonable or charitable when he says “well why would she go grocery shopping then?”. He’s being as irrational as he claims others are being. When you here “grocery shopping” he’s thinking of getting a bunch of stuff. She could just be getting a few items for the home, things that won’t be too strenuous or that she knows she can handle. Every pregnant woman is aware of what they can and cannot do. So for her, walking the dogs is too much (and any self respecting man wouldn’t make his pregnant partner do that when they’re possible of being in labor at any moment). Going grocery shopping is not. Especially when, as Destiny keeps saying “we don’t know” what she was getting. She clearly was trying to get away from him which is why she stated “I will be back when I’m back”. She was making it clear that she would not rush to return. She tried to reset and disarm the tension by stating “I love you, I’m committed to you”. It’s not gaslighting. She’s trying to stop the argument so she can go. Feels like none of these people have ever been in a functioning relationship before. This is all simple to understand if you e ever been in a relationship or had issues.
You have no clue about their personal lives and are just making assumptions. What if 'I'll be back when I'm back' means she's going to a friends place, and she'll be back sometime tomorrow? Or in a couple days? He specifically mentions being frustrated with his life being on a minute to minute schedule and her not being able to give him an estimate. Also saying 'I love you' can mean more than you're implying, especially in an argument. She could be trying to de-escelate, or she could have a pattern of saying 'I love you' to end arguments and not hear out his side. Or she could have a pattern of saying/doing abusive things then trying to make it better by telling him how much she loves him. Steven Crowder is a piece of shit, but that doesn't mean we should just take this one video as the entirety of their marriage. Especially when there could be some serious baggage coded into this argument that we just have no idea about.
I'm so confused by destiny here. Why is he pretending that he doesn't know anything about emotion or caring about a partner? He keeps screaming "YOU DONT KNOW" but he doesn't know either. Is he the only one that is allowed to speculate on what is going on? I am not saying the wife is a saint. But to dig his heels in so far that he tossed all his logic out of the window about pregnancy and women health risks is insane. I honestly feel like this is projection from him because the arguments he doing here is so unlike him. I have never seen him double down so hard to the point that he seems unaware of layers of emotions, health, biology and reason. There is always a chance of anything being something else, but he usually argues from a point of likelihood and not absurd what ifs. What if she has a dog Crowder hates and he doesn't want to keep it from dying, is absurd argument from destiny. Sure we don't know, but what is the likelihood of that being the case?
Idk...... Maybe his 1st wife didn't want to screw everyone while he watched..... like his new wife does! 🤷 I don't really know much about his first wife.
We are very biased against crowder, so it’s extremely easy to side against him whenever anything negative gets released, regardless of if it’s true. Literally anything could have been released about crowder, and as long as it was negative, everyone woulda ate it up just the same. And I’m not sure why people keep saying destiny is “defending” crowder. Technically, he isn’t defending anyone, because he dosent have enough evidence to say one way or another. But because everyone on the left (and the right) are frothing at the mouth to shit down crowders throat, destiny looks like a huge simp. It’s pretty silly. And it’s extremely silly to think that if your jump to conclusion ends up being correct, that you were right to jump to conclusions. This is like saying you are smart because you guessed correctly on a multiple choice question.
I really do not care about the Crowder situation at all. Destiny is right, wait for more context. I just can’t wrap my head around why Destiny is so confused that pregnant women are cautious sometimes, or that some men are really protective of their pregnant wives, so much so that they expect Crowder to be more protective as well (even if they hate each other, that’s still his child in the womb). As I said, this is not about the crowder situation, just Destiny’s general disposition toward pregnancies, it’s like the most autistic I’ve ever seen Destiny be.
Its silly to call out Destiny a crowder-defender, but its also hard to be wrong by not giving Crowder the benefit of the doubt in this case. Not that I'd do it quite this publically. But hey, your comment seem a bit too excited to righteously defend the rational middle ground, so lets not pretend youre not putting on a show either.
Okay, but Destiny has already jumped to a conclusion while ironically telling people not to jump to a conclusion. Are you serious? Yes, he’s absolutely defending Crowder.
I'm at 44:45. Waiting for more information is a reasonable position by Destiny. Regardless of other factors, if pregnant partner has a resonable worried risk, you are capable and available with less risk. You are by most societal standards an asshole to refuse to help. Arguing equity seems ridiculous when she's demonstrating willingness to contribute in other ways.
@@suesanszu "I don't love you, that's the big problem. I've never received love from you, and the fact is, when I go 'Look, I need you to do A, B, C, and D. You just need to be disciplined about it.' You go, 'No! [mockingly] I love you more than life.' Okay, 'put on some gloves.' '[snidely] No. But I love you more than life itself.' That's not fair. That's not fair, and it's disingenuous." Steven Crowder frames the whole conversation in that quote. Steven basically forces his wife to do A, B, C, and D, and then gets pissy when she is, in his logic, not disciplined in his eyes. It really could be that she DOES have reasons to not do all of the above, and it seems like Steven Crowder was willing to an exchange where he did the groceries while she did the medicine. He doesn't do the opposite, not because he's petty, but that he's forcing his wife to never have another alternative: only he does.
@@Bluedragon2513 Nice! You definitely know everything about their multi year marriage based off of an edited 3 minute video preceding a multimillion dollar court case! incredible work detective Holmes.
@@Bluedragon2513 Yes, it very well could be the case that he uses this as a manipulation tactic. But it could just as well be the case that she never does what he asks her but claims to love him and that's why he's being petty about it in the fight. We just can't know that...
1.) Late in pregnancy women do enter a 'nesting' phase, where they start really preparing for bringing children to the home. This can include grocery shopping and preparing. Making sure you'll have food when you get home so you don't have to do groceries when the babies are home, cleaning the home, etc. Also...if she finds her husband intolerable and can't trust him to do these things properly, then she is hustling to get these things done herself. Also may be trying to get a break from the home and her ~loving~ husband. 2.) Destiny seems fixated that if she is capable of grocery shopping she should be capable of a myriad of other tasks. However, he isn't thinking about what priorities an 8 month pregnant woman may have during that time. It is pretty easy to figure out that someone who is 8 months pregnant with twins is going to tire A LOT faster than someone who isn't. So in this time a woman is prioritizing certain things over others...like walking the dog vs getting supplies for a household that is going to increase by 2(babies), leaving the other 1 out of 4(her) recovering from surgery (well I suppose 2/4, since S. Crowder decided to get his elective surgery on the same day his wife's mandatory c-section that was probably already scheduled.) 3.) Destiny is mad people are making excuses up for Hilary, but then goes on to do the same for Steven (WHAT IF HE JUST GOT DONE FILMING LIKE 15 SHOWS, CAME BACK FROM TRAVEL, NOT HIS DOG). 4.) I hate daily wire and candace owens, but she is not saying that he made up his medical condition. Steven Crowder says so himself he never knew what it's like to not have restricted blood flow. As in this was definitely something he has dealt with his whole life and rescheduling to be their for his family (instead of recovering from an elective surgery) would of been the unselfish thing to do. Also she said that steven complained about the way his chest looked and wanted to fix it. I am assuming she got this information from his wife since this sounds like something someone would tell their wife. 5.) I like Destiny and agree with a lot of his takes, but this one ain't it. I agree that it is always great to wait for more information, but destiny doesn't appear to genuinely be doing that. He is already making assumptions on the Daily Wires role in these leaks, reasons why Hilary C. is potentially a horrible wife, why steven is acting like an abusive pos, under the guise of "well, maybes and what ifs" We don't have a lot of information on the wife as she is not a public figure, all we can go off of at this point is by generalizing her position as an 8 month woman with twins, tumultuous marriage, absent husband. I can hold my reservations on her character because of the lack of information, but with the little information I do have ,I can sympathize and definitely not feel a strong desire to defend her public facing husband (who I already know has a lot of shit takes on relationships and women in general from his own words) "The incidence of twin pregnancies in the United States has increased over the past few decades, and twins now represent 3.4% of all US live births. 1 In the United States, approximately 75% of twins are delivered by cesarean delivery (CD)." "Researchers from McMaster University suggest that these behaviours(Nesting) -- characterized by unusual bursts of energy and a compulsion to organize the household -- are a result of a mechanism to protect and prepare for the unborn baby. Women also become more selective about the company they keep, preferring to spend time only with people they trust, say researchers."
Destiny, if you're ignorant about signs of abuse, just say so. We don't need more context to say his actions are SIGNS of abuse. That doesn't mean it IS ABUSE. It means it is a SIGN of abuse.
You might have missed the greater conversation Destiny has been having about this. He believes there are many signs of abuse, but is taking a stand against the people who say they KNOW it's abuse. It's very likely abuse, but we don't yet know for sure.
@Jenis Pizz I've watched a few of the videos, including the first one. One of his first responses was, "Maybe she's a shit wife." His position hasn't been what you're saying. This video is abusive. Period. Whether Steven is *consistently* abusive or not is irrelevant to the abuse here. Even if she were also abusive, it doesn't negate that he is abusive here. I agree when he says you can't judge a relationship exclusively from this, at least not fully. But there are signs and indications and his responses to this signs and indications alert me to the idea that he is ignorant of them. He's literally asking about what's wrong with actions that are signs. So, yes, in my opinion, ignorant about signs of abuse.
@@chaddon7685 There's a difference between abuse and being really mean. Yeah, it looks like there are major signs of abuse, but it's plausible that something else is going on here. I don't think the video definitely showcases abuse, I think it very likely showcases abuse. We might be at an "agree to disagree" moment though.
Destiny gets obnoxious by the day, this shouldn’t even be a debate. Could there be more to the video than what we are being led to believe? yea of course. As an adult can I look at a 3 minute video and recognize someone is being abusive towards their significant other ? Yes. This is not a murder trial I don’t need for more evidence to be revealed or to come out.
Definitely more below the surface here. Destiny throwing logic and getting so triggered. There's something personal here or else he plans to defend Crowder publicly for personal gain later on when this blows over
They were married for 10 years. You watched a 3 minute recording. A heavily edited recording with no context (the beginning and end of the argument are not included). A recording selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad as possible. This was filmed 1 month before the texts where they formally talk about separation. Ie this is at the very, very end of their marriage when by definition everything is falling apart. It is premature to judge based on this. Maybe crowder is as bad as this 3 min clip makes him look. Maybe not. The leaked 2 min video from Amber Heard had half the planet calling Jonny Depp a textbook abuser/narcissist/psychopath etc. Then more info came iut that dramatically altered this calculation. Maybe they are BOTH horrible. Maybe neither of them are.
@@bluecoffee8414 " a heavily edited recording" "... selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad a possible" Source?
Steven Chowderhead cannot be defended. It's not even about the emotional abuse, if you see your pregnant wife feeling distressed and unhappy and you don't care about that you're a terrible husband. Simple as that. Whether or not you insult her or force her to take an uber. It's the fact that he doesn't seem to care that's the initial problem. When you add the emotional abuse and the divorce that they're getting now, there's no way you can say "but it was only 3 minutes of his life!" No it was more than 3 minutes. It was months of a man not caring about the mother of his kids.
What if she was an absolutely abusive piece of shit? Is he supposed to magically play nice now that she's pregnant and forget all that and let her continue to get away with her bullshit? Some of y'all act like pregnancy is a free pass to act however you want and still be treated like royalty.
Obviously Destiny has never tried to hold down a 90lb dog to shove a pill down their throat, or have him drag you around the block. As a medical professional, most medications should not be handled by pregnant women. Unlike you, I have had a high risk pregnancy, and being stuck at home was not healthy. I would do the groceries, but my hubby walked the dog, so that I wasnt alone on a street somewhere and have pregnancy complications.
Weird, I've had dogs and had to give them medication, one of those dogs was an English mastiff, none of them had to be held down, there's ways of giving a dog medicine without shoving it down their throats
@@Originalchili Well, if you've never had to do it that must mean nobody has ever had a dog that was difficult to give medication to or difficult to walk. Since you've had dogs, you've clearly gained knowledge on how all dogs behave and there couldn't possibly be deviation from your experiences anywhere in the world depending on the breed, sex, age, or temperament of the individual dogs. Nope, all the same.
@@thrash208 Because having the car gives her the freedom to go whever she wants without worrying about catching other Ubers elsewhere and back home. That'll just cause another argument probably, "Why are you spending x amount of money on Uber?"
@@thrash208 The point is that if she wants to go multiple places to relax after dealing with him, it would be better if she had the car. Have you ever been to a shopping center before? I know you don't walk all the way from one section to the next one if they're somewhat far apart right? And if the next store you want to go to is across the stroad from the one you're at now, you definitely don't want to cross those kinds of streets. It's unsafe, especially when you're pregnant.
Just find it odd how they keep insisting he be chivalrous in the relationship despite the fact that they're a week from starting divorce proceedings, there's already trouble in paradise.
I mean... she *is* the 8 month pregnant mother of, I'm assuming, his future twins at that point? Is that really a crazy thing to ask, even if getting divorced? That seems a bit wild to me if it is.
@@masterchief9291 I do kind acts for people that I love, doing something for another is a display of affection. If you’re getting divorced from someone you probably don’t love them anymore, hell he even says as much, her happiness or showing affection for her is no longer his priority. It’s useless to expect him to try and do husbandly things because it’s clear at this point he’s soon to not be her husband.
Regarding why she couldn't walk the dog, but could grocery shop. One is outside the other is inside. What was the temperature? (It looked warm/hot and sunny) Is the dog jumpy and does it pull the leash? And it's not about being physically able, stress can really screw with a pregnancy. And if this guy preaches about being traditional, he should be doing the bulk of the physical labor. (Also I think she wanted to leave to just get away from him for a few hours, he looks like such a headache to be around, I can't blame her)
Yeah this is actually a great point, you know why tho right? Because there are many factors that we don't know about, so why make ANY claims at all? Wait for more information. Period. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
Destiny is losing the plot in this thing. Why defend him at all? It's not a big deal. It's just a rocky relationship. Maybe he is getting butthurt because he knows his fighting with Mel would be way worse. Don't condone or condemn any of it. Just say it's goofy behavior and move on.
Candace seems like a loose cannon that goes rogue. I don't think the other guys on daily wire want to be stirring this pot. She has butted heads with Ben before. She's unhinged.
The only reason I don’t agree with a lot of what destiny says is because I have Never heard him once say “ oh yeah I was wrong about that mb “ or tell someone he is debating “ oh you are right actually” he is more focused on being a contrarian and right rather than having an actual conversation where he also can admit his flaws in argument or opinion.
no he does this often he just usually states he doesnt knowor if hes what hes talking about unlike 99% of people. He actually did just this in the recent video with sundae and whick about whatevre the fuck it was.
Stardust and Lycan are both brazenly fabricating information to support their arguments here and you want Destiny to admit to being wrong or to concede that they were right? I hope whatever you're smoking is illegal. His stated position is "I don't know" and they are attacking that position. Every attack against his position is defended with "Is there actual relevant information to base an opinion on?" and they either have nothing or make something up. Why would he cede anything here? He very frequently in this conversation says "It could be the case" which IS ceding to them, but with the caveat of "I don't know" still being the ACTUALLY CORRECT underlying position to have. They continue to fight against that position because you can't virtue signal as easily if you're not siding with the white woman with no pushback. EVERY attack against his position is either misrepresenting his position or includes speculation / fabricating facts. "I don't know" is the ONLY reasonable position to have here.
Yeah at best he'll admit it in like 2 weeks when he doesn't care anymore, but he gets 100% emotionally involved in the moment and can't just realise when he's digging dumbass holes for himself because he's triggered
The way Destiny yells and gets frustrated in this conversation is indicative of how he treats women in his relationships and why he has a hard time acknowledging fault in Crowder
Editor's note: the footage is most likely NOT edited, explanation video soon...
Selectively put together then? It seems to have clear cuts from some moments to the next 🧐
August x Destiny debate coming?
@@strawbearrySmoothie let's go, f**k destiny team august
@@swaggitypigfig8413 literally just cut out dead time where nothing is said LOL
I'm not sure why, but I can't shake the feeling that Crowder has rejected her in some way- maybe he's been cold to her public flirtations and she's come off feeling humiliated.
She's a very attractive woman, and can often be playfully seductive, and would be used to men being "cuntstruck".
Crowder, always playing the righteous Christian husband, being a virgin till marriage, only having eyes for his wife- he probably iced her and now she must destroy him bwahahahaha
Despicable behavior from Destiny 😠😠😠
He’s only being charitable to Crowder because he has the same first name as him. Conspiracy!!!
real
Destiny crowder he got a woman’s name too
True!
Destiny probably had fights with Melina where if it were clipped and leaked out, it could look very bad. It's not difficult to look at the situation from that perspective unless you've never been in a long relationship or too bias causing mental block.
I get Destiny point to wait for more information on stories but his "maybe his wife is lazy and refuses to clean the house therefore this justifies his behaviour" is a dunb argument
the reason why twins are on average delivered early is not because they just go into pregnancy early, its usually because a combination of factors like the mother's blood pressure or one of the twins not getting enough nutrition. a lot of times twins are delivered early and one of them is like 6 lbs and the other one is like 4 lbs.
U know what they say, a 6 and a 4 are still a ten 😂 shwing!
Not wrong
I was 6 something lbs my twin was 4 something
This is wrong, preterm labor and subsequent delivery IS the most common complication in twin gestations. An ob might induce labor in preterm period for gestational or chronic hypertension but that's not the point you are trying to make
im a twin, youre literally spot on with my mothers experience. twins are now more likely to be delivered via c-section too. i was 5.5 my twin was 4
True . My twin almost died at birth and like couldn't breath on his own for years during the night . Apparently my mom was scared every night that my twin would just not wake up .we were both very small Apparently and delivered very early. My mom worked until the day she gave birth
She had a miscairrage prior to this pregnancy and anyone who has gone through a pregnancy loss knows you are hypervigilant and paranoid about anything that could be risky. My guess is that she was avoiding many tasks and being high risk she would have had physical restrictions. Yes this probably put an extra burden on him for chores. I think every couple who has had to deal with risky pregnancy and losses knows you just suck it up. It is temporary. If it was that much of a burden for him he could afford to get her some help.
I mean he had chest surgery and a collapsed lung chances are shes just lazy
@@blazikenowen What does that have to do with anything that was mentioned? He had chest surgery after this I believe, it's not like he was recovering from it actively during the time the video was recorded. Address what was said
Its funny cause Destiny is like “He might be on heart medication because he had heart surgery”. Literally speculating and doing the same shit everyone is doing just from the other side.
@@IAmAllEyes the medicine was for the dogs, that's what the article said at least
@@dreadheadedguardian what is there to address? the fact that we don't see evidence of him claiming "he will fuck her up" and him actively saying he can't see people or talk to them and her acting like hes abusing her? you do realize she had probably been planning to divorce him right? because considering she leaked this theres a chance that she had been acting for the camera and playing him like a fiddle even if he hadn't abused her at all if hes had surgery can't sort the dogs and shes literally just being lazy of course hes going to tell her to sort out the dogs because he can't physically do it and he got sick of her being lazy obviously we have no proof of anything other then a ring video but lets be honest hes not emotionally abusing his wife in the video and him not letting her take there only car isn't abuse or isolating infact her taking a uber or taxi would be safer then her driving especially considering she ended up giving birth early what would happen if she had drove and ended up in labour during driving then crashed? he would get the blame for letting her drive he was in a situation where he lost either way if he doesn't give her the car its "abuse" if he does and she dies in a car crash he shouldn't of let her take the car fact is one video of them arguing does not prove emotional abuse or that he had been emotionally abusive for years and it shouldn't be deemed like its absolute truth anyone can act especially when they have planned a divorce and want to make the other person out as the villian so they get a bigger pay out
When my pregnant wife doesn’t walk the dog I usually tell her I don’t love her as well. I stand with Crowder 100 percent.
I mean hes being honest and they filed for devorce a week after the video. He was probably checked out of the relationship long before the video
He said he doesn't love her and they're filing for divorce, I don't see any inconsistency 🧐
@Thrash Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he say in his announcement vid about the divorce that he didn't want the divorce in the first place and that he still loved her? Honestly, I'm asking.
Yeah. This actually happened to me. My wife Told me horrible things she did and said I couldn't do anything about it, cause she is pregnant with my children. But she loved me... No, but seriously this situation happened to my dad. so how about people stfu and stop pretending they know what they would do when they don't know the context of their relationship.
@@charlesfinland7788 No he said he doesn't believe in divorce. not that he still loved her. Basically it goes like this. They believe u sign a contract, a bond, that can't be broken unless death, etc. Therefor, it is about working on it etc no matter what and sticking together for family sake and because its your duty to follow through with your agreement.
I swear the entire call has never seen a pregnant woman nor a dog.
i was gonna say ive never even seen a woman but im an avid destiny watcher.
I swear this entire comment section has never seen a Roach Dog Jr.
For real. Even if the medicine is not toxic sometimes hormones can make pregnant women wary or animals they were not wary of before pregnancy. Also his dog is pretty big expecting a women pregnant with twins to make this dog take its medicine while the husband is literally right there is absurd.
Dan said it best when he called him Obtuse. Him ranting about what pregnancy is like. There is so much you aren't supposed to when you're pregnant and breastfeeding, it completely changes the way you live. It's a sacrifice, you sound so dumb arguing over chores.
I don’t know if the redpill is just rotting men’s brains or what, but when my wife was 8 months pregnant I was happily doing stuff for her, because I love her and that’s the nice thing to do
Not to mention how pregnancies can differ greatly from woman to woman and pregnancy to pregnancy.
You could cite your own experience to shoot down someone making outrageous claims, sure. But it doesn't really advance the conversation to just say there's a chance this pregnancy might not be that bad.
@@TonyCox1351 are you divorced now?
@@TonyCox1351maybe you’ve got an easy day job that allows you to have enough energy after work?
Eh. Been pregnant and breastfed twice. It's a balance. Yeah, we need to be cut some breaks, but there is also such a thing as being overly coddled and victimized.
Destiny gets stuck in sounding like the ultimate skeptic position here, to the point where it sounds like he is assuming as much as anyone else. He needs to calm down and make sure all his points reflect that, instead of getting into shouting matches and sounding unhinged.
No he's overly charitable to Crowder.
@@esinach It only sounds like that because hes getting debate brained at times. His ultimate point is to wait and let more info come out.
@@Worgen33 exactly
@@Worgen33 That would be fine if it was, but the far reaching charitable Crowder takes are what people are annoyed about.
One hundred percent. It seems like if someone was even prefacing a statement with "probably" or "it seems like" that his reflexive response is "You dont KNOW!" which by that logic, I don't know how he can ever say anything about anyone's relationship dynamics ever.
Destiny and Melina be yelling on stream so I think it’s hard for him to see verbal abuse
Very hard to see abuse when you do it yourself. Destiny is just coping.
Yelling and fights happen and a fight between any couple could be taken out of context and would look really bad is a completely valid point
I still think destiny is wrong, because there's a difference between the stuff that can get said in the heat of the moment, but as someone whose been lwith my husband for 10+ years, you never say something like "I don't love you. I've never received love from you". Thats just a line that should never be crossed unless youre ready to end the relationship, because thats the only reasonable outcome. In this case, this is a manipulative and abusive tactic to have control over the relationship. It doesn't matter if she might be the most useless woman on the planet and he had the moral high ground all the way up to this point, there is no context where you weaponize love and use it against your partner in order to achieve a desired result like this. The fact that she's pregnant and excessive stress can cause complications, is just sociopathic and I could be wrong but I dont think this is a one off.
@@srslee5966 nigga what
I think Destiny is always going to have this issue with bridge burning as long as he does this thing where he doubles down on something that he knows people inherently get passionate about, and insults, minimizes, and strawmans his friends and orbiters arguments. When Aba hopped on, and Destiny made the crying white woman crack -- he knows that's not a thing for Aba, but he said it anyway, to dismiss his argument. I can see how people would get tired of someone acting like he's the rational one, while being deliberately obtuse about why people are saying what they're saying.
I believe Destiny is right about the video, regarding not coming to a definite conclusion, but getting mad at people who do, while insulting them, will wear thin on most people. And I think the disconnect comes when people insult him about specific things, they don't think it's a big deal, because most people don't separate their emotional responses when it comes to what is fair game for someone to insult you about. I don't know. Something like that.
BIIIIG Lestiny on the "pregnant woman" topic.
But he can't handle this L and needs to climb to the most absured hyperbolic positions like "do pregnant women need to be bedwritten" etc.
He's being kinda weird about this. It's like he's just trying to argue for arguings sake, and is defending Crowder to the death with a bunch of weird anecdotes and guesses while condemning anybody that says anything even remotely defending the wife. It's weird.
@@ryohio4706 I swear you leftists only hear what you want to hear. It's weird af.
@@croftmanor2k23 no man. Destiny is being wierd here. He somehow made the argument that Crowder who will have a future surgery might get covid and that's why crowder didn't want to take Uber. But its perfectly reasonable for Crowder to force his wife to take Uber who is 8 months pregnant. I mean what kind of world is he living in. In his world Pregnant women dont get covid.??? When did he became a covid denier.
1:09:49 L for destiny here. Saying crowder cant take an uber because he has heart surgery next month and could get covid, but somehow she cant get covid from an uber and infect him.
Yeah that's where I was like Destiny is being disingenuous now. Aba is correct with and somehow Having a heart surgery in the future somehow trumps the needs of a pregnant woman at present. Like WTF
@@kevincola3184haha I watch some of both destiny and Crowder, funny you mentioned that. Both have their imperfections but they're also both entertaining and make some decent points.
Not destiny saying crowder can’t take an Uber because of potential heart medication. Yet when the others mention dog medicine, he says “YOU DON’T KNOW” 🙄
I swear you people hear what you want to hear
Destiny gave a POSSIBILITY ( AKA: I DONT KNOW ). When the others mentioned DOG MEDICINE they were NOT using it as a POSSIBILITY( AKA: I KNOW ). That was his problem
Not contradictory. He is saying MAYBE crowder cant travel because of medication (don't know) and MAYBE the medication is okay for pregnant women to handle (dont know). Either way you dont know and cant cast judgement until the facts are presented.
Why wouldn’t Steven be able to take an Uber on heart medication? I must have missed Destiny saying that….I know there’s plenty of medications where it’s _safer_ to take an Uber than to drive, not sure about the reverse
@@TonyCox1351
Idk, and you don't either. Why act like you know? Do you know what beyond reasonable doubt means? This 3 minute video isn't proof of anything, proof comes from investigation into the video itself. Meaning it will support a case, but it ISNT a case itself
@@TecTitan YOU'RE RIGHT, he IS speculating. But the others are NOT, THAT'S the problem. YOU AGREE with Destiny
They are giving their own arguments the "benefit of the doubt" and Destiny is telling them NOT to; While Destiny is GIVING speculation to prove why "benefit of the doubt" may not be what's best given a 3 minute video
Like holy. . . He does this, with every case, and people react the same way every time and he's right every time - to wait for info
I’m a dog walker and one of the dogs I walk was on chemotherapy. The dogs vet said to use gloves when collecting her poop. Some medications are toxic for pregnant women or any human
I wear gloves when collecting any kind of poop
So what you're saying is there is nothing wrong with asking her to give the dogs medication as long as she wears gloves?
What the hell does radioactive poop have to do with giving a dog medication?
@@underpant No, that's not what they're saying. Gloves reduce risk, they don't eliminate it entirely at all, and if you're already a person with a high risk factor, it makes sense to not want to even take the reduced risk.
@@krombopulos_michael I see. What was the medicine Crowder was asking his wife to give?
Bro so fucking disgusting that Destiny said 'Aba you don't care if he is living up to his values you just wanna defend a pregnant woman'.
Iʼm a fan of both of them but Iʼm beginning to understand why some people dislike him personality-wise.
Yeah that was a massively shitty thing to say, not just because it's rude, but because its just a completely speculative ad hominem that has nothing to do with anything. Trying to tell someone your armchair psychoanalysis of their motivations is some seriously bush league bitchy debate stuff.
Bruh come on. That only became a point WAAAAAY into the conversation. Nobody caref about the conservative nan bit cut the crap. Everyone already assumes these people don't like the life they preach by default.
@@aliyahabrahamsHow? Because he said a true statement? Is Aba the fucking conservative value police? You can't make a point at the end of an argument and then say it was the premise for your argument when everything else you said was about the fact that she is pregnant
@@dxshawn532 he specifically said crying white woman and Aba is known for being sceptical of crying white women. Additionally, Abaʼs points were mostly valid imo.
(Sceptical is the British spelling, no I didnʼt spell it wrong.)
This was such a frustrating listen. Destiny’s thesis is correct (be careful about assumptions from a 3min video) but he dug in his heels so hard against making any assumption/possibility that it made him look unreasonable.
A few of my contentions with this conversation:
I think someone finally said this at the end, but it seems very likely that Crowder’s wife was just trying to leave the situation because she was upset. (I have similar reactions when I’m in a fight-I just need to go drive/walk somewhere and cool down). Going to the store is an excuse. Does a pregnant woman want to be hauling bags of wood pellets? No, but it’s better than being at home.
Is walking dogs more strenuous than the store? It depends. Maybe the dog pulls and she’s afraid of falling. Maybe the dog needs a 2 mi walk to burn off energy. Maybe squatting to pick up dog shit is really hard with a giant belly in front of her. In comparison, strolling around a store with a cart might be way easier.
And undoubtedly, being pregnant in your mid 30s with twins when you’ve miscarried before is a different story than a first-time low-risk single pregnancy in your 20s, and acknowledging that is not treating a woman like a “r******* child”. Yes, a lot of women work until late in pregnancy because they don’t have a choice-it’s still uncomfortable, especially in the final weeks when it’s harder to sleep, babies are consuming more nutrients/oxygen, your organs are crushed, and your ligaments are softening to make way for labor.
That’s not to say that all pregnant women are completely incapacitated and need bed rest for the last 2 months. It’s to say that we rightly should give them some extra grace and kindness for that temporary time because they’re likely exhausted and uncomfortable with little relief.
Giving dogs medication can suck even if the medication ISN’T harmful to pregnant women. I have to get on the floor and hold my dog’s mouth closed so she swallows a pill. But there are a lot of human and animal meds that can cause fetal issues if handled. This is not super uncommon or unthinkable at all. When I worked in a pharmacy there were common prescriptions that I was advised to not count/bag if it was possible I was pregnant (and we didn’t touch the pills by hand).
Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Pregnant women are advised to not handle typical cleaning products without being in full hazmat gear, so Steven is way off here. And I agree she was absolutely trying to get some space and sincs he was complaining she wasn't getting him what he needed, she might as well to help ease things
What? She could literally just go anywhere on an Uber why does she need to take the car groceries. You guys can’t just keep making assumptions and assume that’s why there’s sufficient proof that this video shows crowder is an abuser
Holy shit thank you, Destiny has an L take here. It's not unreasonable to make certain assumptions. If all Destiny said was "maybe you're right, I guess we'll see when more information comes out" instead he's defending crowder to the death over nonsense. Isn't Destiny also a huge proponent to Occam's razor? What's more likely, the wife is trying to get out of a seemingly toxic situation and is probably not comfortable giving medication to a dog and would rather do some light grocery shopping? Or she's a master manipulator?
@@draszi That was already Destiny's take. Stardust came in to argue why Steven was FOR SURE abusive and there was no other way to view the video. He dug in his heels because everyone else was making assumptions to further their points instead of saying "He seems abusive, but let's see if there is other evidence before we make these claims"
@@elfboy676 Maybe I misinterpreted it but that's now how I took it. I think stardust was complaining that destiny was taking no stance and was saying it was equally possible that there was some background where it would make the wife to be some lazy bitch or just as culpable. I think it's fair to assume that the woman is probably more likely to be correct in this SPECIFIC instance
Destiny is acting like his certainty threshold for coming to a conclusion is the objectively correct one, and anyone else willing to weigh the evidence as-is must be stupid for not choosing to wait for more info -- as though it's some great sin to change your mind at a later date if mitigating information came out in the future.
There will always be "more info" you could hypothetically wait for before deciding what you think is happening. Your threshold for how much info you need vs what someone else needs isn't any more valid just because it's yours, especially since you guys are just internet talking heads and your opinions on this matter mean nothing either way.
Its not a sin to change your mind later, but people make up their minds then decide to talk tons of shit, and plaster their name everywhere. Guy named kwite on youtube was accused of rape people jumped on him for it, turns out there was overwhelming evidence to prove it wasn't true. His name was drug through the mud for it and people changed their minds but the damage was already done.
This is my issue too. He used to be big on Bayesian reasoning in the past and I think this is a perfect place for it.
The video doesn't tell us a single thing with 100% certainty, but to act like anyone adjusting their probabilities based on the video is "jumping to conclusions" and that for every reasonable assumption we just shriek "you dont know!" Seems like it's just unnecessarily being an ultimate skeptic.
@@Venmerr shit, I remember that one. He even had to do a face reveal which actually kinda bummed me out seeing a comedy channel have to get serious through no fault of their own.
These are my thoughts too. But I think as a public figure it makes sense for him to wait for more evidence. Its just hard to tell what he thinks when he runs defence so hard. It can get confusing.
@@dylankempthorne Yeah, it feels like he got baited by moronic chatters in the first video and now every time someone makes even a small assumption he's got to point out that we don't KNOW Crowder is abusive. It's not wrong, it's just kind of needlessly contentious sometimes.
I wanna claw my eyes out whenever streamers start talking about medicine
Or politics.
@@aodigital9421 Or relationships.
Or economics
Or breathe
Same. His vaccine takes are so bad.
Never would I thought ever seeing Aba and Destiny get a bit spicy. 😂
I was waiting for this for so lonnggg. I was enjoyed it soooo much 😂
@@faikerdogan2802 Same, I was recently thinking what would get both of them to shout and call eachother names and I guess this was it. 😂
Bc destiny acting stupid
I laughed when Destiny calls Aba a Retard and then minutes later he says “So how’s everything going Aba? 😃” That shit had me lmao 🤣😂
Destiny insinuates that Aba is a grapist and immediately walks it back by saying “Like me hehe”
What Destiny actually said "I think Crowder is a piece of shit and I think he's probably abusive to his wife but I don't have enough evidence to definitely conclude it right now."
What everyone else hears "I secretly love conservatives and hate women so Crowder is definitely in the right."
Destiny channel member dickriding one of his worst takes, surprise surprise. Dude is out here working OVERTIME because he knows leaks are going to come when Melina leaves him lmao.
Cope. If he said that when he initially saw the clip, nobody would have an issue. Instead he yelled “So what if she’s pregnant? Wtf does that have to do with anything?” like a retard.
@@Observette he did say that when he initially saw the clip , it sounds like you are just quoting the first clip you saw of him commenting on the matter
So true
If thats all he said everybody would agree with him but he goes hard on the defensive for some reason
Destiny's autism is off the charts in this discussion
Autism recognizes autism.
Only one who ever been with pregnant woman is autistic to you and others don't. Truly sane take
Neither side is good. Crowder could very well be a controlling, mentally abusive spouse, but I really don't like Owens either. She is a grifting opportunist that will turn her back on anything or anyone as soon as it suits her to do so. For example, she was helped out greatly by the NAACP in the past when she was a student being bullied/harassed by white students, one of which was the son of the mayor or something. With the NAACP's help, she was able to sue and get money. Now when she started doing Conservative content, she wants to act like such issues of people being targeted and harassed for their skin color is not really an issue.
Destiny's not wrong for wanting to wait for more info, but hes just being so resistant to try and be understanding
I cant tell if hes purposefully trying to be obtuse or just arguing to argue
He is being understanding. To both crowder and the wife. Everyone else is instantly taking the wife's side and not offering a lick of understanding to crowder.
@@alynthequestseeker3017 Not really. Nobody is denying the wife could be doing wrong. Even if the wife is also bad, there's no excuse for Crowder to act the way he did. There's a slim chance there's something to justify his behavior. But given past circumstances it not unreasonable to infer malice on his end.
Also he keeps mentioning the Amber Herd thing... most people recognize BOTH OF THEM WERE ABUSIVE. That's a possibility in this case as well, and nobody is denying that. Being abused doesn't justify abusing back.
@@Conantas How was Jonny Depp abusive? You realize that’s not what the court ruled right? Do you have any understanding of the facts of the case?
Is him being a piss drunk and drugged out sleepy head count as abuse to you?
We can only be understanding of wthings we actually know. The problem here is people are feigning understanding by jumping to conclusions that are not yet supported by evidence.
@@Conantas no one is exuding Crowders actions. We are humanizing them. What if someone clipped up your worst moment ever for a 3 minute video and leaked it to use against you? Would you be fine accepting any labels they could make about you?
Walking a dog and grocery shopping is so different lol as someone who was just pregnant, I rather go to the grocery store than walk my hyper dog that pulls. I just hate how confident destiny is about his knowledge on pregnancy. Until u experience it you’ll never know how exhausting and mobility restricting it can be.
If we didn't know any better one would probably think he's been pregnant before, he's so fucking confident it's so easy and that pregnant women should just suck it up. It's borderline incel behavior.
Yea but we don’t know if they have a hyper dog or if it’s well trained. What destiny is saying is why don’t we wait till more facts come out instead of speculating on what things could be.
Also I don’t like Crowder at all but we should still wait on info
@@finalcombat9036 the torches are lit and the pitchforks are sharpened
@@finalcombat9036 I've been pregnant twice and I agree.
Holy fuck it’s insane how you guys don’t get why Destiny is getting so triggered over this. We have zero evidence that it would be easier to go to the grocery store instead of walking their dog.
Their dog could be old as fuck on its last leg you don’t know so stop crucifying people for wanting to wait for more information and stop pulling assumptions out of thin air.
Funny how after Crowder goes after Shapiro, all of a sudden its "believe all women"
More so, "plausible inference of video evidence."
Misogyny is cringe. Seek professional help.
@@queenkahlua579Making fun of the movements believe all women and me too isnt the same as being misogynistic. Ill concede that a lot of people who make fun of the movements are misogynists but they arent all the same. Those movements suck.
@@sakispdsw What is misogynistic is when 1% of women behave with a fraction of the same ferocity of 99% of men, it is suddenly an indictment of all women. And that isn't even what is being represented here.
@@queenkahlua579 The joke is pointing out that people are biased, the right wingers being against believe all women aren't above this either, the second that it's someone they don't like we're back to the same biases showing. it has nothing to do with the poster being misogynistic.
TLDR: seek professional help
God wouldn't it be amazing if Crowder's wife said, "Steven I cannot give the dog 2022 ALMOST EXPIRED PURINA DEWORMER BOUGHT FROM CHEWY WITH A 10% OFF COUPON WITH BLUE NITRILE GLOVES WE GOT OFF AMAZON LAST SUMMER."
😂 For real, even if the specifics of the interaction were stated it doesn’t make how he treated her or the things he said to his heavily pregnant wife okay. Destiny being obtuse af for no reason
@@DarthBojangles He never said they were ok. Why are you people so "obtuse"
@@DarthBojangles bruh the pussy do be fartin doe.
@@TheRainsRuined They are purposely ignoring Destiny so they can own him in their own minds.
@@croftmanor2k23 What are they ignoring?
Kinda funny how Destiny is confidently telling the others to wait and that they have no idea but then proceeds to confidently stating how the video is clearly edited while having no idea. And Aba even makes the point.
Lol
There's more evidence that the video is edited (look at timestamp) than the dog medication being toxic (no one says this in the video).
I don't think these two things are contradictory. All you need to know if the video has signs of being edited is the video itself no? To know if the relationship between Crowder and his wife is antagonistic or one sidedly abusive, more info would be needed. Although it's definitely already not looking good for him as it stands.
@@SuperAJ1996 aba who has a ring camera made the point that the ring light cuts the video on its own. Destiny immediately dismissed this point even though someone else with the ring in the call backed it up. Now destiny is proven to be wrong despite claiming knowledge
@@jessecorrell996 The explanation they gave for why the cuts happened wasn't complete and it sounded like it wouldn't apply in this situation, but the full explanation showed that it does. I agree that Destiny should have stuck to saying it looks like it might have been edited instead of making a strong statement about that for sure. I agree with the general notion that strong statements should be based on strong evidence
@@SuperAJ1996 yeah because as smart as destiny is he often falls into the trap of needing to be the smartest in the room. Aba was coming from a place of authority and destinys own biases made him dismiss it. This makes his point that they need to wait till the proper info comes out seem disingenuous. Especially because hes being ridiculously charitable to crowder despite the other side only arguing he sort of seems like an asshole
"Why did she wanted to go do the groceries" she wanted to get OUT and she said she's go get him what he would want from the groceries
So why didn't she take a uber?
@Jeremy Dussault because as a 8 months preggo woman woth twins it's much more safer to have a way to get around versus having to rely on a stranger
@@chris_tine1430 is it safer for her to drive or a stranger? Also I think many people are framing this uber driver/stranger thing a little too seriously, are we all now afraid to ride in ubers because the drivers might be grapers or killers?
@Jeremy Dussault remember this is June 2021, covid is much more of a thing. And yes going to the grocery in this context is still better because she wants to get away to get alone
@Chris_ Tine But with that isn't it safer for a pregnant woman to be home during covid instead of a grocery store....
Quality content. 😆 Just don't burn the bridge between you and Aba, Destiny. You two make a decent duo.
As if that has ever mattered 💀
Destiny be so trigger so much
@@mikethepokemaster2012 autism + narcissism = a bad combo
@@mikethepokemaster2012 autism + narcissism = a bad combo
I loved aba, but that bridge is gone.
I love how destiny said the ring thing is a huge cope and the video is obviously edited, then literally a couple hours later the ring thing was shown to be true and the video wasn’t edited, lmao
Yup I enjoyed that too. Thats why you don't go scorched earth indignant. Guy just screamed and looked like a moron. One of the big tells was his strawman that babies would die instantly if she did it haha.
This just shows that destiny is open to changing his mind provided new info, how is that a bad thing?
@@mrwaltermathewswhen did he say that?
@@lampad4549 when they were arguing about who should administer the toxic dog medication.
Destiny treating grocery shopping like you have to cross the Mojave Desert past some Deathclaws 😂. They probably live in a wealthy upperclass area. The grocery stores are likely very stress free, clean, safe, and easy to navigate.
I live in one of the most violent drug-addicted and poor cities in my state, I have literally never encountered a grocery store that deviates from your description.
I just want to know how he shops to make it a strenuous activity.
Well usually you don't want pregnant women lifting anything
@@oakwood06 Pregnant women also got those electric scooters. Checkout/Stockers can help them with grabbing things from shelves. They’re usually treated the same as elderly in-store.
@@PumpkinJuice69 I'll take your word for it, cause I've never seen an employee constantly help someone pregnant or disabled.
I agree with the orbiters. Destiny goes all "I don't know if any of you have ever interacted with a pregnant woman" while it's clearly him that has no clue. At 8 months with twins her wishes are everyone else's commands, come the fuck on. You don't debate bro that shit asking for studies proving that some dog medication might be bad for the pregnancy, what cringe is this!?
(Then again, I'm also from a country where pregnant women working until hours before delivery is seen as barbarism, so maybe it's just US things.)
Definitely US things. Work culture here is all about work work work. If you are using your sick days you better be dying or have Covid, or else you're lazy. Vacation is for people who 'earn' it. Breaks at work are circumvented whenever possible.
Her wishes aren’t anyone else’s shit, but regardless if handling medication is apparently off the table despite us having no information whether the issue was the toxicity of the medication then how is driving any better?
@@yorhahoudini4531 I'm not going to debate bro that stupid point. You're right, we do not have evidence either way, super deep point. Now, if you ever grow up, leave your basement and try to procreate, please do yourself a favor and take care of your pregnant wife.
she was 8 months pregnant.... what do you mean going into labor early? she could pop at any moment
Especially with twins
Later destiny would go on to be convened by a viewer that the video is not edited and abanwas right about the ring camera
Really?
@@atetraxx yeah near the end of last nights stream a fan came on who did an analysis of the video and also did some reading on ring forums.
Turns out after seeing movement the camera starts recording for 60 seconds. Then no matter what happens in that time it cut the video. Then it waits for more movement before it does another recording.
Theres also a thing where it try to go back 3 seconds into the last recording and if it sees movement then it will make another video that is slight cut early.
When aba was talking in this aba said he has a ring camera and has had this issue himself, but destiny kinda blew him off here because destiny was frustrated.
He was so fucking certain about that too. After constantly arguing the most unlikely of scenarios with "we just don't know for sure", he was like "it's clearly edited, they're moving the whole time, thinking it went out is a major cope". He gave absolutely no quarter to anyone claiming the camera COULD have just cut out by itself, as if these Amazon smart home products never have any bugs or glitches .
This is categorically Destiny's single WORST hill he could have ever chosen to die on.
There is no scenario where he comes out as a decent human :D
It's a safe bet for destiny. All of these people are inventing facts instead of waiting for more info.
Lol that’s what people said about the Rittenhouse situation too but then went suspiciously silent after the verdict.
You guys need to understand that not judging a relationship based entirely off a single sketchy video and some he said she said isn’t the most insane position to have.
He’s projecting his perceived relationship problems on to Steven and his wife.
@@paigew6707I believe it’s called “empathy” bud 😂
I think one point that hasn’t been made is it’s a hell of a lot easier for the partner of a pregnant woman to just give the dog medication while she’s pregnant to mitigate any accidental exposure or help her out with an annoying task where she may have to bend over with that big ass belly, as opposed to arguing, telling her to put gloves on and to just do it if she loves him. This argument was about CONTROL. That much is apparent.
If her being pregnant is such big concern, then why Is she trying to drive the car by herself where she can potentially get in a crash or go into labor?
@@AfroDevilBecause one is (most likely despite how adamant destiny is) potentially just a toxic medication, if that’s the case that’s all there is to it. Cars aren’t dangerous because they’re toxic they’re always potentially dangerous but you’re not going to expect someone to never leave their house, an Uber can also get in an accident.
Because the world is unfair and pregnancy can be difficult and the U.S. mortality rate is higher than it should be. We want to reduce any stress we can especially since both parties are responsible for the pregnancy but one partner didn't have to carry the children.
@@11DaltonB or it's just a suppository like lots of pet medications that require you to wear gloves to administer.... I mean that's obviously the more likely scenario but you can ride the toxic medicine train if you want...it's just autistic.
Yeah, every time the argument was made that "it's just a pill, why is it so hard for her to handle?" That was my first question. If it's so easy, why can't the big masculine tradcon provider of the house just do it?
I feel like this is one of those few times where Destiny is being contrarian for the sake of it. Maybe because there are those just waiting for something to attack Crowder with, but still
Most of Destiny's good takes are when they incidentally align with his belief system. When that disconnect is present, the moral and intellectually integrity of his arguments start to unravel. This is such a piss-poor take that is rooted mostly in emotional appeal with a few deceptive semantic arguments thrown in the mix so he can pretend to stay "on brand" and most plausibly a massive self-report due to his own past experiences.
@@SB-se7vb
Destiny's take is literally the single most ethical and legal take a person could have in this scenario. Outting yourself in real as being a Crowder hate-fucker. Embarrassing for you
He’s being a contrarian for not wanting to jump to conclusions based off disliking crowder as a person. What a fun bandwagon to be apart of
@@friendlypup5650 But at the same time he’s jumping to conclusions in order to remain “neutral” on the clip. Crowder does not look good in this clip no matter how you spin it
@@jamesonpipes wrong
Ironically Destiny saying “I’m not taking a hard stance on this topic because we don’t know” wound up being him taking a hard stance on this topic because he doesn’t know
Edit: I think I overestimated the comment section here. So just to be clear for the idiots in the back. I’m not condemning Destiny. I’m just saying the situation he’s in is funny, that’s all.
His hard stance is I am not supporting or not supporting him, hard stance is not about crowder its about the principle of how he conducts himself and news that come out
@@vovakorotkikh5161 I know, thank you for restating that I guess
@@wokinstock it's literally his job.
@@wokinstock yeah give into peer pressure!!! Woo-hoo, you would've definitely been in the Nazi party during 1935 Germany
@@JakeTylenol a hard stance in neutrality is not what anyone thinks when you say hard stance.
Your comment is a useless empty criticism.
Maybe it’s just me but if my wife is pregnant and a medication can be toxic to my unborn children I’d say “you know what, let me handle that”
Normally my wife did the litter box but during the pregnancy I did it instead because it can be dangerous for the woman, no big deal. Also she works in a pharmacy, she had to be remove super early because some medication can indeed cause birth defect to the baby, no matter how you manipulate it (normal people don't know the proper way to put on and dispose of contaminated gloves)
Normal people can't be logical and conscientious enough to pinch the cuff of a glove and use the exposed side to remove both?
That blue hair fairy thinks just cause what he went thru was 1 way, means that every situation closely related to that has to go that way or the person is retarded. Meanwhile he's a 30 something adult arguing with teens and early 20s who haven't seen anything in life
@@Thesaurus-Rex yes
@@Thesaurus-Rex what planet do you live on
@@MrMctastics Earth maybe
i don't understand why destiny calls aba retarded if he is the one who can't see the emotional coloring, tone of the video...
Destiny immediately linked this with his own personal life and experience living with a pregnant girlfriend. He's defending himself not his girlfriend.
A projection of a projection.
Buddy is a bit special. 😂
It’s wild to me that this whole issue seems like it could have been solved if the millionaire had more than one car.
It's the little things that matter.
Nah 😂
Or the millionaire hired help.
@@aussiemenace1924 what are you saying?
What if they let someone borrow the second car... or what if the car was in the shop...
As someone who's been pregnant twice, Destiny's take on pregnancy is dumb as hell. Women work up until birth because they HAVE to and not because they like to. It's FINE but not optimal. "Your feet swell a little bit and they might be more agitated" etc etc. Sir.
When did he say that women who worked while pregnant liked to? How would that negate anything he said regarding whether or not women can work while pregnant?
Are you suggesting that all women who worked while pregnant didn't want to but had to?
That's a fair point. He even said he might be a little crazy on that one, so I took it with a grain of salt. It doesn't really negate his larger argument or anything, but it's still good hearing from someone who's been through this.
I hope you stick around in this community, because we need more parent perspectives.
Absolutely correct.
Disagree. Just the other week I saw two or 3 pregnant women working out at the gym I work at. You can't tell me those 3 women felt "forced" to go to the gym. Different women deal with pregnancy differently.
He was discussing what was feasible; not what was optimal.
Destiny is extra sensitive about this topic because he was recently falsely accused of being abusive
I don't think he's helping his case with this shit.
@@bongokevinson2161 lmao okay that’s not how I meant this comment. He was falsely accused of abuse by actual psycho Mr girl for being mean in debates to smaller streamers (which isn’t abuse) it was never in a sexual or romantic context. Mr girl tried to find allegations of abuse from destiny’s exes and he admitted he couldn’t find anything
I think by dying on this steven crowder hill hes making himself look more like an abuser to a huge audience than 10 mr girl manifestos could. Nobody outside of this bubble gave a shit about that. Now people are calling him an abuser fucking everywhere and he did this to himself for absolutely no reason.
Here’s us praying:
Candace SILENT when everyone else shares positive stories and kind words, absolutely cackling when they’re joking about him dying in a friend way
she knew he was a snake.
I’m really frustrated that no one made these points in response to Destiny, so now i’m writing it.
1. There is nothing bad about being precautious with jumping to conclusions too early, nor is it wrong to be charitable. **BUT** Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations. A lot of the times he will also make qualified guesses and make certain assumptions without the full scope. He only seems to apply this ultra high level of charitability, when he can be edgy & contrarian about it. Like when he tip toed around calling Nick Fuentes a white nationalist/nazi. He would never be this charitable to a leftist. I’ve seen him many times making assumptions about people based on little evidence.
2. There is also nothing wrong with making assumptions & qualified guesses, as long as they’re based in reality & reason. In most cases we don’t posses all the evidence, so we make certain jumps & assumptions based on the evidence we’ve got. If the all the evidence we got points in a certain direction, it is absolutely fair to have an opinion on the subject. As long as you admit that it is not 100% confirmed, and that it is just your personal assesment, it should be fine to have a qualified guess or belief. If we didn’t do this, we most likely couldn’t have any beliefs or have any assesments of the world at all. We have to make some assumptions, because we can know everything all the time.
“Destiny doesn’t apply this level of charitability in many situations.” Are these ‘similar situations’ where significant claims such as abuse and being flown around? Are these ‘similar situations’ where more evidence will probably be made available? It would help if you provided some examples to support your claim.
Your second point is only reasonably if the assumption is in regard to a trivial conclusion, its dangerous if it involves serious accusations. The fact that we never have 100% of the evidence does not excuse instances where there is clearly insufficient evidence. Its why we have concepts like the presumption of innocence. To say that something is a qualified guess suggests that there is a degree of knowledge behind the guess, which on any reading is impossible seeing as this is a 3min clip from an 8 year marriage.
1) Destiny ABSOLUTELY called Nick Fuentes a white nationalist.
2) The words "Nazi" and "Abuser" are both career, potentially life ending words that Destiny doesn't think should be thrown around lightly.
3) Destiny never said there was anything wrong with making guesses. Destiny said there was something wrong with treating a guess, even if a qualified one, as a definitive assertion, ESPECIALLY when the stakes are this high for the people involved.
Literally EVERY SINGLE CASE where the stakes involve abuse or sexual misconduct or career ending allegations, Destiny has ALWAYS approached it the exact way he's approaching it in this video. If you disagree, you are more than welcome to search for the rest of time through his channel for that 10 second clip that proves me and anybody with half a brain wrong.
@@undeadman7676 so since you seem to know EVERY SINGLE CASE, can you give like 3 examples where destiny refuses to call someone a nazi or an abuser? Other than the fuentes example, since you're so big on evidence
@@mcbean1 jumping to conclusions is absolutely fine as long as you acknowledge those conclusions are subject to change
Right on. Thank you. Destiny has been insufferable through this whole Crowder thing
Destiny doesn’t understand emotion unless it benefits him
I mean this is a man who all of a sudden was into open relationships when he met uhhh his new wife.
@@N.O.A_YT He was already promiscuous with other women. Nothing to do with Melina.
@@N.O.A_YT all of a sudden? Oh, so that's why he treated all his other relationships like they were open...
Understanding emotion doesn't make their assertions more or less valid. You guys are actually hypnotized by white women tears lmao
@@N.O.A_YT I'm pretty sure he was in an open relationship with his first wife
Regarding the Crowder video (pinned comment by August): I was the one who came on Destiny explaining this (8:12:10 Kick VOD 4/29/2023) The camera records for 60 seconds guaranteed (unless you set it to something diff like 30 or 90, etc. seconds guaranteed), + roughly 2 second combined buffer before/after to show what happened just before motion begun. After the 60 seconds are up the camera needs to detect motion again. So if after 60 seconds there is no real motion, for X number of seconds, then does X number of seconds will not get captured until new motion begins, even if there was significant motion at 57 seconds (I found Ring forum posts complaining about this). This is why during each cut it does not appear like anyone really moved. Also why the time where the cut begins is right before she starts moving again. That is the new motion being detected. There are 2 time cuts, 41 seconds being cut 0:25, and 8 seconds at 2:34. The cut at 1:31 is not an actual cut, here the timestamp goes back 4 seconds actually, that is because this is what it looks like when the 60 seconds are up but there was motion immediately during the end of the 60 seconds, so the timestamp discrepancy is likely processing and saving, and grabbing a new true timestamp. In conclusion, we can see that there is 1:02 (62s) seconds between each cut which lines up with what the camera does, and we can see that the two actual cuts (0:25 and 2:34) happen when there is no motion and motion starts again. We lost ~48 seconds due to lack of motion, not due to deliberate editing.
Good work Mann!
I think everyone over thinking this shit lol she didn’t care about the dogs or grocery shopping he was being a dick and she was trying to get the fuck away from him and he was preventing her from leaving with the car
The argument over handling meds is basically Destiny explaining why he'd be a shitty husband in this situation.
Yeah, such a difficult thing to believe, lmao.
He's an asshole and seems like a pretty trash human in all regards.
This whole thing is telling to say the least.
5:57 about 6 months before she decided to become a Shapiroist, she was working to develop a website that would dox anyone on the RW who said something problematic anonymously. The point of the venture was to trace peoples anonymous post to their name and address which would be posted online. It didn’t really take off so she did the Rubin pivot. She’s one of the most shameless grifters in the game - which is a monumental accomplishment considering the competition.
Don’t forget what she did to Nicole Arbour
Opposed to the left .. all saints
Pepridge farm remembers
I remember all of that. But I don’t think she’s grifting. People change their views all the time in their early 20s. I definitely did. She’s always been very sensitive and vindictive, and so is Crowder. That’s why they’re both always doing impulsive, dumb things.
@@Jedscorp nice straw man
Destiny keeps missing the point. For example the surgery. It doesn’t matter if it was purely cosmetic or not. It was in fact elective and he elected to have it within a window of time that he knew his wife would be giving birth. That isn’t necessarily abusive but it does give us a glimpse of his priorities.
As far as the video is concerned I think anyone who has first or second hand experience with emotional abuse can identify crowder’s abusive behavior. More context might reveal that his wife is also abusive but it won’t change the fact that crowder was in that clip.
At the end of the depp/heard trial we learned that they were both abusive to varying degrees not that depp was an angel. At best more context in this situation will lead to a similar conclusion. As it stands we have video evidence of crowder being emotionally abusive. More information won’t change that. Defending his behavior is moronic.
okay destiny saying the covid thing was sooooo dumb LMAO
Destiny is being difficult for no reason. It doesn't have to be the case that as soon as the pregnant lady touches a medicine her fetuses are automatically ejected from her uterus for her to be concerned. Even if the medicine said "handle with care", it's perfectly fine for her to ask someone else to give the dog the medicine. It's irrelevant whether the drug is actually dangerous to pregnant people. Maybe she's being paranoid, who gives a fuck. It's your wife, her pregnancy is high risk, she's worried about it and all you have to do is finish smoking your fucking cigar and spend two minutes of your life to give the dog the medicine for your wife to be at ease. Especially since she's perfectly happy to do other chores in the meantime, like go grocery shopping. This should be a complete non-issue.
Also, comparing grocery shopping and handling the medicine is fucking stupid. It's like Destiny doesn't understand people's fears and concernes aren't coming from a rational place and information backed up by statistics. He's so busy being a contrarian he's forgetting to be a human being again.
Yeah he comes off as insanely unempathetic here. Tbh I feel that Destiny is only taking this position to own the leftoids.
So she gets to be irrational because she’s pregnant? It is extremely likely this entire argument isn’t solely about the dog meds. That’s only the surface. It seems to be the case she has issues doing anything around the house even before she was pregnant. So his frustrations with her culminated into this one big moment.
He looks bad in the video but that doesn’t mean he’s an abusive husband. Do you think if anyone released a video of you at your worst moment, that it would be fair to draw conclusions about you just based on a 3 minute video?
@@giovalladares1022 how did you possibly come up with that conclusion when she literally offered to do a chore in place of giving the dog medicine
i agree it’s hard to judge a relationship based on a 5 minute clip, but all these “what ifs” lead to nothing, so this clip coupled with the fact his wife is literally the one divorcing him leaves me to be believe that crowder was the problem in the relationship. and even if his wife was being lazy, that doesn’t excuse the smoking a cigar right in front of her face, telling her she needs to be disciplined, and shouting “I will fuck you up” when she’s trying to leave the house. oh, AND she’s 8 months pregnant. crowder complaining that that she needs to do her wifely duties proposes 0 evidence that she doesn’t do chores, especially since he’s a man with high traditional values so I really doubt he would marry and stay with a woman like that in the first place.
@@fionazhelezko5738 Didn't she file for divorec AFTER she found out that he was seeing a divorce attorney?
@@Throwaway-xr6zd “And no, this was not my choice,' he added. 'My then-wife decided that she didn't want to be married anymore and in the state of Texas, that is completely permitted.”
he literally said this in his own video
As someone who breeds dogo Argentino dogs, I can say that 2 of these dogs are very hard to handle and almost impossible for an 8 month pregnant woman to handle without risk. These dogs are twice as large as a pitbull and magnitudes more aggressive with a high hunt drive when it comes to other animals.
Thank you for your input. Do you know what dog they have? Is it a difficult dog?
I know their dog was sick and on its last legs. So I highly doubt your anecdote is relevant.
@Gio Valladares they are dogo Argentino and often suffer from dysplasia in the joints of the back legs. It is usually treated with anti inflammatory drugs in the form of pills.
@@EllinasEthnikistisXAsick own
Or maybe they just have to put the stuff in some treats. But hey, I guess that isn't an acceptable scenario when you want to make everything the worst.
@usucdik I don't know what to think about this situation. Crowder looks bad but who knows. I just commented on the type of dogs and the ability of a pregnant woman to walk them. As for the dog medicine, I know some are toxic to pregnant woman but we still don't know what the medication is. Personally I wouldn't risk it if my wife was pregnant.
Destiny doesn’t need to die on this hill so hard LOL
Yes he does. He’s 1000% correct
@@friendlypup5650 he's not, because bro is working off The same information as the others but pretending they are somehow more wrong for believing the opposite side of the situation as firmly as he believes Crowders side
@@yoyyoy6376 he’s not saying they’re wrong. He’s saying nobody should be confident to make assumptions based off a 3 minute video when there are so many other explanations that could change the context
@@friendlypup5650agreed. We've literally all seen this before with heard vs Depp. Whole lot of people ended up looking very dumb when they believed the jilted partner. Just wait for more info, be skeptical at first when it's he said she said. Some people will just continue making this mistake and then acting like it's nothing when it blows up on them. Kudos to destiny.
Neither does anyone he's arguing with.
Lmao yeah I find it pretty hilarious how Candace posts up her own little exoneration while not showing us any other messages from any other conversation.
She didn’t talk about the Nicole Arbour situation either. She has no issue recording friends LMAO
@@beanybabyrabie she used to have a doxxing website and be insane lefty.
Look up Charisse Lane. Shes a whistle-blower for Blexit (Candaces "non profit").
Destiny got baited into defending Crowder here.
He should have remained steadfast in his agnostic stance in the altercation.
Whatever caveat he made at the beginning was long forgotten by the time they talked about dog medications.
True, he was best just sticking to it only being footage of a fight close to the end of their marriage.
I don't know how much we can get just from this but he's stuck arguing every point and making his own assumptions.
Im sorry, but pregnant women arent even allowed to eat fish, you are literally not "allowed" to even touch certain things. Steven is out of line here. Grocery shopping during a pandemic seems risky too, but she said she needed space and he was throwing a fit about things he needed so it kinda makes sense.
It doesn't matter because the point isn't even if it is risky, the point is that you don't KNOW for SURE. So you shouldn't make strong claims about it. That's his whole point. You can't say crowder is being an asshole because he's trying to get his wife to touch toxic dog medicine because you do not know if that medicine is toxic. You can GUESS. But you don't KNOW. That's the issue.
Even if there was 1000 types of dog medication and 999 of them were toxic, you can't say that crowder is making her touch toxic medicine if you simply don't know that he could have the 1/1000. Bring it down to the realistic case where theres a lot of non-toxic medication, and it seems a lot more like people trying to layer on extra things as a dunk independent of proof.
Pregnant women can eat fish and go to the grocery store.
Where the fuck did you get that shit about not eating fish from?
@@tsu9788I think they meant pregnant women cannot eat sushi.
Yea the pray shit is weird when she tries to use it as a point against them… but she didn’t even pray in that clip 😭
August cut it out and destiny's edgy atheist arc rant too
Not to mention her not saying ANYTHING positive about him in the clip she showed while LAUGHNG at all the jokes about him dying…..
How Candace Owens has stayed partially relevant I will never understand. She started out as a far left idiot trying to collect data for big corporations. Now she pretends to be a far right idiot. Jfc I hate everything she represents. She is a semi-sapient embodiment of grift
@@Super3face how's it edgy with what he said tho
Its like she knows her religion is just a social label and feels like she has to artificially use it as a shield whenever possible
Honestly, yes some women labor up until birth. Others are indeed bed-ridden. Some develop diabetes or preeclampsia and need to take it slow due to blood pressure problems. Like Steven, chill with the commentary on pregnancy dude. I usually agree with you and I’m inclined to say you have a point on this but the claims about pregnancy are wild!
i think it's because america traditionally treats pregnant people like garbage. having to work up till when the baby pops out i think is a uniquely american thing because they don't believe in mat leave.
No they're not. How are his claims wild?
She CLEARLY wasn’t bed bound… “I’ll be back when I’m back”
I’m sure she was hanging with her friends constantly too leaving the house a wreck and neglecting her husband post surgery
@BeanyBabyRabie you can't be bedbound as a pregnant woman, because women are at risk for DVTs, so ambulating as tolerated is tolerated for pregnant women.
Like I said. I’m inclined to agree with Steven here. We should generally be critical in our analysis, but his take on what pregnant women can or cannot do lacks nuance.
From my understanding the Dog medicine thing isnt that its a strenuous activity like Destiny is implying, but that its an uneccessary risk for someone who's pregnant. Even if theres barely any risk, why risk it? Like which is more believeable, she doesnt want to because its too physically strenuous for her, or she doesnt want to because its an unecessary risk?
Or she doesn’t want to cuz she’s literally divorcing him rn and she preggerz so she probably just wanna sit on her azz all day ❤
We watched the same video yet here you are retaining none of it
@@yopizzawolf Explain what I said that was wrong then.
@@dylankempthorne (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE)
Okay, so she shouldn't be doing anything at all, all day long then? Oh i'm pregnant i'm gonna just stay in bed for the next 3 months. You don't have ANY context as to their relation that's the whole point destiny is making. ALL of these claims and speculations are just that, random guesses! Stop!
Uh just FYI pregnant women should absolutely not drink even a glass of wine once a week. Every drink increases the risk of fetal alcohol syndrome and there can be lesser effects that don't meet the standard for the full syndrome. Like yes some alcohol isn't a 100% chance of FAS but you really should never be intentionally drinking while pregnant.
It took a quick Google search to look up that you are completely wrong and FOS especially with late term pregnancies
Look out, people. This guy did a quick google search.
@@dumbbuckets2668 if it is that easy to debunk a claim then maybe you should do at least that minimal amount of research.
@@mattattack75 Bro you didn't debunk shit. All you said was you're wrong without providing anything at all
@@MrKnuxer all you have to do is look up " one Glass of wine while pregnant" I can't provide links but all the articles basically say one fucking glass of wine, Especially later in term, won't have an effect on child development and that makes sense when you give it two seconds of thought
I can’t lie, the back half of his argument was where he started to lose me.
Agreed.
On his show, Crowder uses metaphors a lot. He’ll go on his politically driven monologue about something, state a premise up front, and then use that premise as an analogy at the end.
“Put on the gloves” could be referring to handling toxic medication.
“Put on the gloves” could be about metaphorical boxing gloves, and he’s saying “fight for your conservative principles”.
Destiny missed a lot of obvious points like this because of how triggered the others were making him.
Bro do you not understand that it’s possible Crowders wife is being unreasonable in the clip??? You literally have zero context.
@@Benbones99 zero context besides the clip, the family's statement, and crowder's past behavior.
@@Benbones99 The amount of brain holes to not see the context already is amazing to read from people like you lol.
@@craigash189 being an insufferable asshole doesn't necessarily make him an abuser.
I’ve never seen Destiny be more obtuse… completely weird hill for him to die on given his previous takes…
Having sex with my cousin doesnt guarantee the kids will be messed up, but that doesnt mean im having sex with my cousin. What is all this weird crap about stressing an 8 month pregnant woman with twins on the way being okay? At that point it doesnt matter what has happened or will happen. Spoil that woman and do everything you can to make sure you bring a couple healthy children into the world.
@@beanybabyrabie at 8 months with twins, ill even take that exaggeration. At that point all that should matter is the kids
Why is it so hard to wait for more information on it...?
Because Destiny will always be ‘waiting for more information’ as a way to handwave abuse. Not to say that ‘waiting for more information’ is bad on its own, but it only ever goes one way with Destiny, which is whatever is the most contrarian position is at the time. My guy is still ‘waiting for more information’ on Amouranth when it’s been god knows how long since then, and for some insane reason he thinks that ‘She does hot tub streams of her own volition’ is some kind of proof that her BF wasn’t ever controlling or abusive and that he was ‘right’ on the situation lmao. Destiny doesn’t care about the truth, he cares about whatever counter-narrative at the moment will cause the most controversy and clip posts on LSF. It’s like watching a TERF say ‘Just wait for the studies showing how miserable people who transition are! No! Not those studies! Not those studies either! Annnnnny minute now the ones proving me right will come out! I’m just waiting for more information is all. I’m so open minded and don’t jump to conclusions you see! Annnnnny minute now!’
@@Vin_Venture896 hardest reach I've ever seen. He's just patient and has common sense
Because people will forget about it in 3 days. News cycle is hyper fast these days. We should wait for info tho.
It's like a primal human instinct to jump to conclusions.
@@Adam-zh4hm 5:51 he can jump to conclusions on owens but we can’t with crowder
coming back to this video to see destiny go hard on the point that the video was edited only to be proven wrong while judging and criticizing everyone else for jumping to conclusions.
"Your client doesn't have the money to keep Candace Owen's from speaking out"
I'm sorry Candace are you implying that there is actually a price for your silence?
Edit: Also my dog used to have eye drops, and the instructions said not to get on your hands.
Everybody has a price.
@@MuscleboundKage yeah OP made a dumb point, a price could also be a belief or a person
@@MuscleboundKage Does everybody really have a price? I've met so many crazy motherfuckers, that I really can't believe that.
@@jenispizz2556not having a price implies you can’t be bought, not that anyone can afford your price
Everyone’s has a price
Basically every argument destiny usually makes could easily be refuted with “but you dont even know.” This really feels like destiny working out his feelings from past relationships in real time.
Destiny is taking a fat L
@@IAmAllEyes Nah he is right. This video was leaked to make Crowder look as bad as possible. Why not leak even more Videos when they got Ring cams? What happend after the Video? Before?
He looks like a piece of shit in this video, sure. But we have 0 info about anything but these few minutes.
No, that is HIS argument.. he's humble and says when he's speculating and try to motivate his statements, whilst other people claim a certain truth without sufficient evidence
@@Grimsheed he sure seemed certain the video was edited. I wish someone had said but you dont even know
@@Thismaybetheyearidissappear sure, but regardless if it is edited or not, parts of the video is "missing" and I argue that not the whole context is available at this time
Destiny needs meds lol. Aba destroyed him.
No joke Destiny kinda blew up after he got the blue hair. He should keep it
Yeah its kind of grown on me too
It's always hilarious seeing people in the comments use his hair to dismiss him outright, like they're being profound.
Kinda filters out the idiots when the first comment they say about the video is about the "SJW Hair."
The joke is dead homie move on its not 2016 anymore
I just see it as a ninja wannabe could care less about the sjw part, he’s hardly a sjw
Based Lycan dropping in with the "what if you're just nice to your wife?"
the take is braindead. it only makes sense if you assume there's no context to their 10 yr marriage, like a pattern of using excuses to systematically avoid taking on responsibilities.
@@TCSyndicate ah the old Christian value where it's ok to be shitty to your wife as long as there is history and context for it
Yeah destiny took a fat L 😂😂😂 Aba was getting him tight 😂
My daughter works at a veterinary clinic, and she were prevented from handling any medications from the moment they knew she were pregnant. She were prevented and covered by her coworkers from any medication for the pets they treated. And yes some of the medication is given through syringes, and the worst thing that could happen is that the pet gets cranky and the needle pokes her. Because of the safety for both the baby and her, they don’t take any chances, big or small.
I feel like Destiny is missing, either intentionally or unintentionally, what Crowder said. He didn’t just say to put on gloves if she’s committed. He ALSO said, “….and walk the dogs”. As someone who was married and had 3 children in 3 separate pregnancies, certain things a can be more manageable than others for pregnant women. Walking dogs, even if in disagreement (and I endured a few turmoil ridden pregnancies), if you’re not a total dick, walking the dogs when your wife is pregnant with twins is not asking too much. I’ve worked 12+ hour shifts and came home and cleaned my house and did other things with the children while my pregnant wife went grocery shopping. It happens. And there’s nothing wrong Crowder being asked to do things he didn’t want to do while they were having issues when she’s THAT far along. From experience. When your child is involved, all that other stuff goes out the window. Destiny isn’t being reasonable or charitable when he says “well why would she go grocery shopping then?”. He’s being as irrational as he claims others are being. When you here “grocery shopping” he’s thinking of getting a bunch of stuff. She could just be getting a few items for the home, things that won’t be too strenuous or that she knows she can handle. Every pregnant woman is aware of what they can and cannot do. So for her, walking the dogs is too much (and any self respecting man wouldn’t make his pregnant partner do that when they’re possible of being in labor at any moment). Going grocery shopping is not. Especially when, as Destiny keeps saying “we don’t know” what she was getting. She clearly was trying to get away from him which is why she stated “I will be back when I’m back”. She was making it clear that she would not rush to return. She tried to reset and disarm the tension by stating “I love you, I’m committed to you”. It’s not gaslighting. She’s trying to stop the argument so she can go.
Feels like none of these people have ever been in a functioning relationship before. This is all simple to understand if you e ever been in a relationship or had issues.
This message didn't do what you think it did😂😂🤡🤡
Finding the meaning in everything the woman said is not easy but it is easy to see that Crowder was obviously being cruel to his wife.
@@avivastudios2311 pretty much
@@izzy32324 for a simpleton and inexperienced person such as yourself, wouldn’t expect it to.
You have no clue about their personal lives and are just making assumptions. What if 'I'll be back when I'm back' means she's going to a friends place, and she'll be back sometime tomorrow? Or in a couple days? He specifically mentions being frustrated with his life being on a minute to minute schedule and her not being able to give him an estimate. Also saying 'I love you' can mean more than you're implying, especially in an argument. She could be trying to de-escelate, or she could have a pattern of saying 'I love you' to end arguments and not hear out his side. Or she could have a pattern of saying/doing abusive things then trying to make it better by telling him how much she loves him. Steven Crowder is a piece of shit, but that doesn't mean we should just take this one video as the entirety of their marriage. Especially when there could be some serious baggage coded into this argument that we just have no idea about.
My god destiny can be a man child at times
I'm so confused by destiny here. Why is he pretending that he doesn't know anything about emotion or caring about a partner? He keeps screaming "YOU DONT KNOW" but he doesn't know either. Is he the only one that is allowed to speculate on what is going on?
I am not saying the wife is a saint. But to dig his heels in so far that he tossed all his logic out of the window about pregnancy and women health risks is insane. I honestly feel like this is projection from him because the arguments he doing here is so unlike him.
I have never seen him double down so hard to the point that he seems unaware of layers of emotions, health, biology and reason. There is always a chance of anything being something else, but he usually argues from a point of likelihood and not absurd what ifs. What if she has a dog Crowder hates and he doesn't want to keep it from dying, is absurd argument from destiny. Sure we don't know, but what is the likelihood of that being the case?
That dog comment is so stupid, I didnʼt even realise/see when he said it.
The chat had me rolling when that dude walked by "whatsup".
"Keep your voice down around Mels Bull" lololol
Lmao
Gee with takes like this I truly wonder why Destiny's first marriage didnt work out!
I also keep wondering instead of knowing things.
Idk...... Maybe his 1st wife didn't want to screw everyone while he watched..... like his new wife does! 🤷 I don't really know much about his first wife.
We are very biased against crowder, so it’s extremely easy to side against him whenever anything negative gets released, regardless of if it’s true. Literally anything could have been released about crowder, and as long as it was negative, everyone woulda ate it up just the same.
And I’m not sure why people keep saying destiny is “defending” crowder. Technically, he isn’t defending anyone, because he dosent have enough evidence to say one way or another. But because everyone on the left (and the right) are frothing at the mouth to shit down crowders throat, destiny looks like a huge simp. It’s pretty silly.
And it’s extremely silly to think that if your jump to conclusion ends up being correct, that you were right to jump to conclusions. This is like saying you are smart because you guessed correctly on a multiple choice question.
100 percent.
I really do not care about the Crowder situation at all. Destiny is right, wait for more context. I just can’t wrap my head around why Destiny is so confused that pregnant women are cautious sometimes, or that some men are really protective of their pregnant wives, so much so that they expect Crowder to be more protective as well (even if they hate each other, that’s still his child in the womb). As I said, this is not about the crowder situation, just Destiny’s general disposition toward pregnancies, it’s like the most autistic I’ve ever seen Destiny be.
Nobody is listening to what he is saying or his caveats. It's a literal derangement syndrome thing
Its silly to call out Destiny a crowder-defender, but its also hard to be wrong by not giving Crowder the benefit of the doubt in this case. Not that I'd do it quite this publically.
But hey, your comment seem a bit too excited to righteously defend the rational middle ground, so lets not pretend youre not putting on a show either.
Okay, but Destiny has already jumped to a conclusion while ironically telling people not to jump to a conclusion. Are you serious? Yes, he’s absolutely defending Crowder.
The crazy thing is the person releasing the video decides which video to release and how much of it.
Here we are “praying for Steven” plays clip of dude making a joke saying I hope he dies 💀
While she didn't say a word the whole time aswell.
Just like voting, I gotta cancel out their thoughts and prayers.
I'm at 44:45. Waiting for more information is a reasonable position by Destiny. Regardless of other factors, if pregnant partner has a resonable worried risk, you are capable and available with less risk. You are by most societal standards an asshole to refuse to help. Arguing equity seems ridiculous when she's demonstrating willingness to contribute in other ways.
The only thing is that during fights people get petty and we really don't know what the whole fight was about. It's clearly not about the dog.
@@suesanszu "I don't love you, that's the big problem. I've never received love from you, and the fact is, when I go 'Look, I need you to do A, B, C, and D. You just need to be disciplined about it.' You go, 'No! [mockingly] I love you more than life.' Okay, 'put on some gloves.' '[snidely] No. But I love you more than life itself.' That's not fair. That's not fair, and it's disingenuous."
Steven Crowder frames the whole conversation in that quote. Steven basically forces his wife to do A, B, C, and D, and then gets pissy when she is, in his logic, not disciplined in his eyes. It really could be that she DOES have reasons to not do all of the above, and it seems like Steven Crowder was willing to an exchange where he did the groceries while she did the medicine. He doesn't do the opposite, not because he's petty, but that he's forcing his wife to never have another alternative: only he does.
@@Bluedragon2513 Nice! You definitely know everything about their multi year marriage based off of an edited 3 minute video preceding a multimillion dollar court case! incredible work detective Holmes.
@@Bluedragon2513 Yes, it very well could be the case that he uses this as a manipulation tactic. But it could just as well be the case that she never does what he asks her but claims to love him and that's why he's being petty about it in the fight. We just can't know that...
@@colbyrob4814 I do know everything. You can't be serious in claiming that I don't🙄
>They didn't watch the video
It's like Rittenhouse all over again lol.
1.) Late in pregnancy women do enter a 'nesting' phase, where they start really preparing for bringing children to the home. This can include grocery shopping and preparing. Making sure you'll have food when you get home so you don't have to do groceries when the babies are home, cleaning the home, etc. Also...if she finds her husband intolerable and can't trust him to do these things properly, then she is hustling to get these things done herself. Also may be trying to get a break from the home and her ~loving~ husband.
2.) Destiny seems fixated that if she is capable of grocery shopping she should be capable of a myriad of other tasks. However, he isn't thinking about what priorities an 8 month pregnant woman may have during that time. It is pretty easy to figure out that someone who is 8 months pregnant with twins is going to tire A LOT faster than someone who isn't. So in this time a woman is prioritizing certain things over others...like walking the dog vs getting supplies for a household that is going to increase by 2(babies), leaving the other 1 out of 4(her) recovering from surgery (well I suppose 2/4, since S. Crowder decided to get his elective surgery on the same day his wife's mandatory c-section that was probably already scheduled.)
3.) Destiny is mad people are making excuses up for Hilary, but then goes on to do the same for Steven (WHAT IF HE JUST GOT DONE FILMING LIKE 15 SHOWS, CAME BACK FROM TRAVEL, NOT HIS DOG).
4.) I hate daily wire and candace owens, but she is not saying that he made up his medical condition. Steven Crowder says so himself he never knew what it's like to not have restricted blood flow. As in this was definitely something he has dealt with his whole life and rescheduling to be their for his family (instead of recovering from an elective surgery) would of been the unselfish thing to do. Also she said that steven complained about the way his chest looked and wanted to fix it. I am assuming she got this information from his wife since this sounds like something someone would tell their wife.
5.) I like Destiny and agree with a lot of his takes, but this one ain't it. I agree that it is always great to wait for more information, but destiny doesn't appear to genuinely be doing that. He is already making assumptions on the Daily Wires role in these leaks, reasons why Hilary C. is potentially a horrible wife, why steven is acting like an abusive pos, under the guise of "well, maybes and what ifs"
We don't have a lot of information on the wife as she is not a public figure, all we can go off of at this point is by generalizing her position as an 8 month woman with twins, tumultuous marriage, absent husband. I can hold my reservations on her character because of the lack of information, but with the little information I do have ,I can sympathize and definitely not feel a strong desire to defend her public facing husband (who I already know has a lot of shit takes on relationships and women in general from his own words)
"The incidence of twin pregnancies in the United States has increased over the past few decades, and twins now represent 3.4% of all US live births. 1 In the United States, approximately 75% of twins are delivered by cesarean delivery (CD)."
"Researchers from McMaster University suggest that these behaviours(Nesting) -- characterized by unusual bursts of energy and a compulsion to organize the household -- are a result of a mechanism to protect and prepare for the unborn baby.
Women also become more selective about the company they keep, preferring to spend time only with people they trust, say researchers."
Lol ok
Destiny, if you're ignorant about signs of abuse, just say so.
We don't need more context to say his actions are SIGNS of abuse. That doesn't mean it IS ABUSE. It means it is a SIGN of abuse.
You might have missed the greater conversation Destiny has been having about this. He believes there are many signs of abuse, but is taking a stand against the people who say they KNOW it's abuse. It's very likely abuse, but we don't yet know for sure.
@Jenis Pizz I've watched a few of the videos, including the first one. One of his first responses was, "Maybe she's a shit wife." His position hasn't been what you're saying.
This video is abusive. Period. Whether Steven is *consistently* abusive or not is irrelevant to the abuse here. Even if she were also abusive, it doesn't negate that he is abusive here.
I agree when he says you can't judge a relationship exclusively from this, at least not fully. But there are signs and indications and his responses to this signs and indications alert me to the idea that he is ignorant of them.
He's literally asking about what's wrong with actions that are signs. So, yes, in my opinion, ignorant about signs of abuse.
@@chaddon7685 There's a difference between abuse and being really mean. Yeah, it looks like there are major signs of abuse, but it's plausible that something else is going on here.
I don't think the video definitely showcases abuse, I think it very likely showcases abuse.
We might be at an "agree to disagree" moment though.
Destiny gets obnoxious by the day, this shouldn’t even be a debate. Could there be more to the video than what we are being led to believe? yea of course. As an adult can I look at a 3 minute video and recognize someone is being abusive towards their significant other ? Yes. This is not a murder trial I don’t need for more evidence to be revealed or to come out.
Definitely more below the surface here. Destiny throwing logic and getting so triggered. There's something personal here or else he plans to defend Crowder publicly for personal gain later on when this blows over
They were married for 10 years. You watched a 3 minute recording. A heavily edited recording with no context (the beginning and end of the argument are not included). A recording selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad as possible.
This was filmed 1 month before the texts where they formally talk about separation. Ie this is at the very, very end of their marriage when by definition everything is falling apart.
It is premature to judge based on this.
Maybe crowder is as bad as this 3 min clip makes him look. Maybe not. The leaked 2 min video from Amber Heard had half the planet calling Jonny Depp a textbook abuser/narcissist/psychopath etc. Then more info came iut that dramatically altered this calculation.
Maybe they are BOTH horrible. Maybe neither of them are.
@@bluecoffee8414 facts
@@bluecoffee8414 " a heavily edited recording"
"... selectively leaked by one party to a journalist clearly bent on making Crowder look as bad a possible"
Source?
Steven Chowderhead cannot be defended. It's not even about the emotional abuse, if you see your pregnant wife feeling distressed and unhappy and you don't care about that you're a terrible husband. Simple as that. Whether or not you insult her or force her to take an uber. It's the fact that he doesn't seem to care that's the initial problem. When you add the emotional abuse and the divorce that they're getting now, there's no way you can say "but it was only 3 minutes of his life!"
No it was more than 3 minutes. It was months of a man not caring about the mother of his kids.
What if she was an absolutely abusive piece of shit? Is he supposed to magically play nice now that she's pregnant and forget all that and let her continue to get away with her bullshit? Some of y'all act like pregnancy is a free pass to act however you want and still be treated like royalty.
@@ForeverMasterless Haven't you heard? All pregnant women are as fragile as glass and should be kept in a giant bubble for 9 months?
Obviously Destiny has never tried to hold down a 90lb dog to shove a pill down their throat, or have him drag you around the block. As a medical professional, most medications should not be handled by pregnant women. Unlike you, I have had a high risk pregnancy, and being stuck at home was not healthy. I would do the groceries, but my hubby walked the dog, so that I wasnt alone on a street somewhere and have pregnancy complications.
Weird, I've had dogs and had to give them medication, one of those dogs was an English mastiff, none of them had to be held down, there's ways of giving a dog medicine without shoving it down their throats
What type of medical professional are you?
@@Originalchili are you a pregnant woman, Jeremy?
@@Originalchili Well, if you've never had to do it that must mean nobody has ever had a dog that was difficult to give medication to or difficult to walk. Since you've had dogs, you've clearly gained knowledge on how all dogs behave and there couldn't possibly be deviation from your experiences anywhere in the world depending on the breed, sex, age, or temperament of the individual dogs. Nope, all the same.
She probably wants to go grocery shopping to get away from Steven lol I know I would
Then why not take an uber?
@@thrash208 she’d probably fit better in an Uber compared to the drivers seat anyhow
@@thrash208 Because having the car gives her the freedom to go whever she wants without worrying about catching other Ubers elsewhere and back home. That'll just cause another argument probably, "Why are you spending x amount of money on Uber?"
@@junk1308 i mean he literally told her to grab an Uber.
@@thrash208 The point is that if she wants to go multiple places to relax after dealing with him, it would be better if she had the car. Have you ever been to a shopping center before? I know you don't walk all the way from one section to the next one if they're somewhat far apart right? And if the next store you want to go to is across the stroad from the one you're at now, you definitely don't want to cross those kinds of streets. It's unsafe, especially when you're pregnant.
Just find it odd how they keep insisting he be chivalrous in the relationship despite the fact that they're a week from starting divorce proceedings, there's already trouble in paradise.
Standard virtue signaling and "wrong side" dog piling.
I mean... she *is* the 8 month pregnant mother of, I'm assuming, his future twins at that point? Is that really a crazy thing to ask, even if getting divorced? That seems a bit wild to me if it is.
@@masterchief9291 I do kind acts for people that I love, doing something for another is a display of affection. If you’re getting divorced from someone you probably don’t love them anymore, hell he even says as much, her happiness or showing affection for her is no longer his priority. It’s useless to expect him to try and do husbandly things because it’s clear at this point he’s soon to not be her husband.
@@darthpanzer1888 Does he not love the kids that she is carrying and care about their wellbeing which is affected by the wellbeing of the mother?
but... pregnant!!! forget the fact that she is standing there arguing forever
Regarding why she couldn't walk the dog, but could grocery shop. One is outside the other is inside. What was the temperature? (It looked warm/hot and sunny) Is the dog jumpy and does it pull the leash? And it's not about being physically able, stress can really screw with a pregnancy. And if this guy preaches about being traditional, he should be doing the bulk of the physical labor. (Also I think she wanted to leave to just get away from him for a few hours, he looks like such a headache to be around, I can't blame her)
Yeah this is actually a great point, you know why tho right? Because there are many factors that we don't know about, so why make ANY claims at all? Wait for more information. Period. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT.
Or it could just be that she's a lazy entitled pos like 99% of women
Destiny is losing the plot in this thing. Why defend him at all? It's not a big deal. It's just a rocky relationship. Maybe he is getting butthurt because he knows his fighting with Mel would be way worse. Don't condone or condemn any of it. Just say it's goofy behavior and move on.
EXACTLY.
Goofy? 😋
@@avivastudios2311 getting upset over something minute like that is goofy as fuck.
Your plot sucks. Please dont write books lol
Am I the only one who thinks “Chowder” every time I see “Crowder”? I would unironically watch a show named “Louder with Chowder”
I'd watch that
CHOWDAH, PASS ME THE MG-42!
i think coward
Rada rada?
@@TCVB491 That show was fun haha.
Candace seems like a loose cannon that goes rogue. I don't think the other guys on daily wire want to be stirring this pot. She has butted heads with Ben before. She's unhinged.
I'm excited to see Crowder grow from this humbling experience to be more tolerant of others and how they live their lives.
If there’s one thing we’ve learnt from crowder by now: you can’t change his mind
LOL. This is one of the best jokes I've heard in a while.
Guys like crowder don’t get humbled or change
(s)
😂😂😂
The only reason I don’t agree with a lot of what destiny says is because I have Never heard him once say “ oh yeah I was wrong about that mb “ or tell someone he is debating “ oh you are right actually” he is more focused on being a contrarian and right rather than having an actual conversation where he also can admit his flaws in argument or opinion.
no he does this often he just usually states he doesnt knowor if hes what hes talking about unlike 99% of people. He actually did just this in the recent video with sundae and whick about whatevre the fuck it was.
Because he’s not wrong on anything
Well, he said he was wrong in the pokimane/fed situation. That's why he's careful of making assumptions.
Stardust and Lycan are both brazenly fabricating information to support their arguments here and you want Destiny to admit to being wrong or to concede that they were right? I hope whatever you're smoking is illegal.
His stated position is "I don't know" and they are attacking that position. Every attack against his position is defended with "Is there actual relevant information to base an opinion on?" and they either have nothing or make something up. Why would he cede anything here? He very frequently in this conversation says "It could be the case" which IS ceding to them, but with the caveat of "I don't know" still being the ACTUALLY CORRECT underlying position to have. They continue to fight against that position because you can't virtue signal as easily if you're not siding with the white woman with no pushback.
EVERY attack against his position is either misrepresenting his position or includes speculation / fabricating facts. "I don't know" is the ONLY reasonable position to have here.
Yeah at best he'll admit it in like 2 weeks when he doesn't care anymore, but he gets 100% emotionally involved in the moment and can't just realise when he's digging dumbass holes for himself because he's triggered
The way Destiny yells and gets frustrated in this conversation is indicative of how he treats women in his relationships and why he has a hard time acknowledging fault in Crowder