Pro Mechanic Ranks Top 5 Carbon Bikes He’s Ridden
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- Опубликовано: 29 ноя 2023
- Pro Mechanic Best Bikes of the year and hot home mechanic tips.
The Decathlon Van Rysel hits our screens and will be ridden by a pro team in 2024, does this mean Pro Cycling is now more accessible? We ask a Pro Mechanic what the b best and worst bikes he has ridden and worked on over the last 3 years are, and he gives us his home mechanic hot tips.
Chapters:
00:0 Intro
02:20 Decathlon Back In Pro Racing
09:17 Van Rysel TT Bike
11:37 BMC Bikes are underrated and overpriced
15:15 Pro Mechanics Favourite Bikes
30:15 Selling aero or lightweight
47:13 Maintenance Tips
54:13 Home Mechanic Tips
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Unbelievably high levels of broscience detected 😂 Austrlia Institute of Bromath at its finest
Nothing wrong with subjective feet, it's what matters in the end anyway.
😂😂😂
@@chriss6971Subjective feel is fine, explanations of seat stay mass are stretching it 😂
@@chriss6971Subjective feet. Now there's a concept
Big congrats to Jesse and the new baby, enjoy it they grow up fast.
😂 If Jesse starts a college fund now, his baby will be able to afford a new BMC in 2045!
So, I have a friend who, a few years ago had a Pinarello Prince that decoupled at the chain stay. It was obviously a factory defect so he took it in. My friend is close to 60 years old and a bit overweight...
They didn't have a Prince in his size but they had the Dogma so they told him for $750 they'd transfer his gear over and he could have that. He asked, "Would that frame handle a guy like me?" and the kid in the shop said, "Oh yeah, they know who they're selling these too." My friend laughed out loud and gave them the money.
Thats actually awesome. How did it work out? Im not trolling, im happy for the guy and would like to know how he likes it.
A bit overweight sounds to me like probably under the 250 lb weight limit of most modern carbon race frames, but cool story, none the less. Not sure the chap at the shop has any idea what he's on about though since the Dogma as a hard weight limit of 90 kg, or about 200 lbs, which is far less then Treks used to be, unsure if they changed that though at Trek now.
@@universe-juice He loved that bike. And he loves a good joke too so, win, win.
@@robertwhyte3435 what an awesome story. Dogma f!!!! Id give some skin for one of those!
I wonder if the Prince would break under a 275lb rider.
If you don’t race buy the bike you want. Lightweight, aero, all rounder, gravel bike whatever you want and whatever gets you excited to ride consistently. Cervelo Soloist is what gets me excited everyday of the week 🤙
Exactly
That's exactly what I want to build up.
Enve cockpit and wheels.
Force AXS.
Lets ROLL!
That’s how i feel about the Aethos. The Soloist has been on my radar
I race and I ride a Cervelo S3 with rim brakes because it is a fantastic bike.
I have an aethos, and as I don’t care for racing it’s hands down my number one choice for day long rides.
I have an aero bike for shorter rides, but the aethos is what I take out more often.
Nice to listen as always but I think there was some pseudo science on this episode
@ 27:00 peak torque showed that thru axles don’t make a bike stiffer.
@ 24:00 barring the extra weight, a frame with more of carbon material does not take more pedaling energy to transfer the energy to the road. A stiffer build would transfer pedaling forces to the road more efficiently than a flexy build.
I thought the exact same thing.
Yeah the energy and extra mass stuff made very little sense from a physics standpoint.
Generally you are not getting power losses through a frame but flexing will make it feel slower and respond slower.
That dude was sprouting some serious bro science 😂
this guy manages to be a mechanic at the same time as saying all the things bike industry marketing would say
which...i may add...makes for the perfect employee at ccache 😆
Great show, boys!! Good insights with Edwin and Congrats Jesse on the Bab🎉🎉
Congrats Jesse . I really look forward to these shows. Great informative content that I trust.
I'm a mechanic at Decathlon and this is why Decathlon is king at value for money in bikes: Decathlon doesn't have to have any profit margin on the bike. You buy the bike, but you end up buying loads of other stuff. You go to pick up the bike, you get new bottlecages, bottles, tools, lubes, degreaser, clothes.. your wife will come along to look at new padel rackets and gloves for the kids. All that stuff has sufficient margins.. cross selling!
Perfectly right. And that is why they don’t care so much about the US and AUS market: I would assume the a goal is the EU market.
Unfortunately Decathlon Indonesia doesn't sell Van Rysel bike.
Also, Decathlon belongs to the Auchan family. They are rich AF, the group isn't listed, it's private money, they aren't about milking every cent every quarter. And a lot of decathlon employees are truly passionate about sports and not being human garbage, they don't live lives centered on money. Those who develop decathlon products don't get bonuses if their products sell more. But they do have pride in their work, in knowing people buy the stuff and like the stuff. It's a whole French ethos thing. The value you can get from decathlon is really inspiring. I've had some of their stuff for donkey years, and I'm proud I paid Decathlon money for it, instead of paying for vaporware from a big brand.
Loved this, I’m as home mechanic and bike builder - this was absolutely awesome! Please, please, please have him back on sometime. You rock Chris, this was possibly the best interview I’ve ever listened to 😀
Really cool episode. Hour flew by. Great guest
Nice chat as always, thanks!
Peak Torque needs to get in this chat and get rid of the bollocks. Thru axles!
The list to correct is a lot longer than just "thru axles make the bike stiffer".
This, like, podcast was, like, amazing! Like seriously.
Like.
I like, like your comment like, so like, I gave it a like 👍
If you know, you know, you know?
Great guest. One of your best episodes. I have only watched a few of your videos and find the discussions a bit fluffy. This was relatable and useful. Combining from a guy who would drop in the “leisure cyclist” category who wrenches enough to build his own bikes.
Outstanding chat!
He’s used the word “like” more than a San Fernando valley girl 👧……
Oh my God!.......for sure.....totally.
Likely like the like like 😂🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈 pretty annoying after while like.
the whole point is that all of the products of van rysel are design by swiss side for decathlon: tt bike, regular bike , helmets etc.
Informative and enjoyable as awlays. What kind/brand plugs are best for smooth 28-32 tires as compared to larger treaded tubeless setups?
A noodle that dances up hills. Sounds perfect! (Congrats Jessie and Partnerj
Leisure cyclist here. I think a lot of leisure riders want quality high performing bikes with some of the pop but just won't go to the extreme that competitive riders will. If you're not competing, unless you have money to burn, it gets much harder to justify buying a 15k bike over a high quality 3k - 7k bike. At least that is how it is for me.
The new van rysel bike, with rival and zipp 303, at 4k, is the perfect bike for anyone not racing. You can't ask for much more, at 8kg, eletronic shifting and some nice carbon wheels. After that is just it's just stupid to run that type of money.... 4k is a lot already.
Aren't the majority of cyclists leisure riders; only a small percentage actually race.....but the whole industry is set up for the performance cyclist.
Take a shot 🥃 whenever edwin say "like", you'll end up dead in no time. 😆
The bro science and BSarisms are just what i needed to get to sleep 😴. They were strong in this episode 😮
I’ve been riding SWISSSIDE for a few years now and stoked to see how they perform on the WT. Plus they look dynamite on that frame
Congratulations, Jesse - although the facial expression in the picture with your newborn is priceless i.e. sudden realisation that training time has now been cut in half!
Very informative today. Enjoyed the insight from a bike technician, who also races.👍
Jesse's facial expression made my day
Happy days!!! 🥳 Indoor training will be a new thing ! Zwift here Jesse comes!!! 🥳 Babysitting Redfoot!👣
yep, stay put, lol
HA! Hes tired 😂
Loved this episode. Edwin’s knowledge and insight was great! More of this!
Great guest host and subjects.
The second or third tier Van Rysels looks like crazy value. ZIPP 303, SRAM RIVAL ETAP AXS groupset and QUARQ powermeter for 4.200 EUR is crazy.
I'd would buy that immediatly if I was looking for a new bike.
It’s good but there are bigger brands with similar specs (maybe not 303s, but good wheels) for not much more than that.
Some illustrative examples?
Tour magazine took the Van Rysel in the wind tunnel and it tested better then the tarmac. So they seemed to do a good job developing this bike. Will be interesting to see if they can deliver in quality of the mass produced product as well.
They specced the Van Rysel with more narrow bar's than it's usually sold with for that size though, I think it was 38cm. I believe that's why i tested better than the tarmac and propel wich was tested with 42cm bars
@@MrJaycobsen yes probably. I think it only shows that the van rysel is not a slow bike in terms of aerodynamics.
@@peakinearly_2788 Yes definitely on par with the best allround bikes tested in tour magazine
I wouldn't believe anything they say about the testing and this and that they're just trying to push new products and new bikes.
If you're going to buy something, just make sure you like what it looks like and how it rides at this point in the cycle industry.
If you want to buy something that is high quality and the best You buy a Trek
It’s good they’re specifying race cockpit for a race bike. It seems like AG2R might have meaningfully collaborated
I feel very proud of my decisions. I ride a Foil with Enve 65s. I love very aspect of it, the thing is an absolute rocketship. Won 2 triathlons and set a Merx TT course record with it.
Even after a year with it it’s very hard to find any flaws but if I had to I would say there is more flex near the BB than I’m comfortable with, every time I get up to sprint I hear my chain rub on my derailleur.
I really don't get why there is so much discussion about the stiffness of frames out there. Here in Germany, we have " Tour Magazin" which lab tests pretty much every frame from the big brands in a very transparent procedure. There are also some overview charts of the results out there easy to find. You look into this chart, you know the frame stiffness. Of course, ride feel is about more than just numbers from a lab test, but it is definitely not a big guessing game
There's a lot of "broscience" in this video about this. The point about "there's more material so you need more energy to transfer power" makes 0 sense.
I used to base my bike purchases on their tests for the past decade or more. There was a site, I think it is “efbe bike testing” or something like that.
He works for a bike shop in Australia which markets certain brands. He's being a sales person, no interest in objective tests of stiffness.
@@bikerjk1205Just sounds like the hearsay that happens in the retail world
Nice work Edwin. Great real world insights.
BMC will be with Tudor pro cycling now, so small amount of peloton action
Congrats Jesse!
For anyone about to start listening, I challenge you to count how many times Edwin says "like" 😂
I sometimes forget how many people have no mechanical ability (or willingness) whatsoever.
I don't consider myself particularly talented or capable, but it's easier for me to list the jobs I don't do on my bike than the ones that I do.
Some people can't even change a flat. That's why this no tube system is appealing especially to women. The mechanical mishaps is what keeps most non-handy people away from cycling outdoors
From my time as a mechanic, it was often roadies who were mechanically inept. And I don't mean just not bothered but rather just pretty clueless. Mountain bikers on the other hand are, in my experience, more mechanically-minded and tend to get stuck in. I do both but respect the mtb community more.
Agree, for most things you spend more time bringing your bike in and picking it up, than you would fixing it yourself.
@@Ivan-oh6ug Mountain bikes get more abuse and need more frequent attention, so if you always used the shop, you'd never ride. Also, Toyota Tacomas are expensive and that eats up all the money. None left for the shop
I think the "snappy-ness" feel comes mostly from wheelbase length in particular the chains taylor length and construction. BH Bikes if you've never riden one is prob the "snappiest" feeling rigs you'll find. . And yes I've tested just this particular thing with over 2 dozen high-end frame builds
Congrats jesse🎉
Merida Scultura team, $12,000 AUD! Vision wheels dura ace groupset and power meter made in the same factory as a tarmac sl8..........
Best episode yet! Great edition to the show👍
Keeping your bike clean! Yes
I've had a Decathlon Triban RC520 for the last three years or so. It has by far surpassed my expectations. However, the us of QR-skewers is a bit limiting for the upgrade path for wheels. I ended up with DT Swiss 350 hubs which are able to be converted between thru-axles and QR-skewers. Get a better saddle, a couple of deep dish wheels and an Aero handlebar and you have a fast alloy machine for fairly cheap.
I cant speak for the carbon Van Rysels, but here in the Asia-Pacific we have access to the aluminum Van Rysels with 105 and they're real nice.
Great listen. Definitely changed the way I think about what type of bike I will purchase next. And to the people complaining about Edwin saying "like". It is obviously his first podcast, give the bloke a break 👍
Yep 100%. Nice that they are listening so carefully to notice 😊
The biggest problem I have when working on my bike is not putting on my reading glasses. 😂
Oh - Did the pro mechanic ever answer the question about how much sealant in a 28mm tire???
I gotta say CCACHE has very good taste. I've seen several of their beautiful build photos one of which was that black Lab71. I had that one and a few other bikes on my mind that fit me and were in the geometry ball park I needed. Once I saw that build I fell in love with so much that I got one. I actually had a EXS bar already too so our builds are quite similar.
Chris...bro, what's up with that White T-shirt kit you are sporting. You can't have super clean kit on your Strava pics and then show up to the show in a plain white T.
Just busting your balls. Great show! I always love it and share.
Great tip with brake pads, what do you with rim brake pads for carbon that squeal like mad? I've cleaned the rims with alcohol, sanded the pads, toed them in, etc. still squealing like a stuck pig, please help??
Have a love / hate relationship with tubeless. Plus side, virtually no punctures , increased comfort, grip, easy to set up. Downside, that 1 in 10 time it just won't seal on set up and it sends you to the funny farm trying to find out why
Yep, great most of the time but has its moments 😂
Tudor Pro Cycling run the BMC bikes and from what I’ve picked up from different cycling websites, Tudor will get some invites to some world tour events this yr. So long live BMC
my tip for cleaning
UNi-PRO Industrial Hand Paint Wipes - 45 Pack
from BUNNINGS
just use a WIPE for the chain after each ride
54:13 is a plugged tire slower? I recently put a dynaplug in my rear tire. It's been over 1000kms now and seems to be fine so far.
I have ridden a Canyon Abroad and an Ultimate for the past 5 years. In terms of comfort there isn't much between them. I would suggest that the Aero bike isn't that bad PROVIDING you are reasonably fit, not overweight and have a really good bike fit.
I have a BMC Team Machine SLR02-2 2018, it's rock solid with over 9K Miles.
Canyon has already been the value brand on the World Tour.
Enjoyed the episode. Would love to see this Edwin on more often !
It's easily overlooked that Decathlon has really deep pockets, so can afford to maintain a full-on research site near Lille. Their Van Rysel stuff, e.g. their clothing, is high quality stuff, many levels above their standard BTWin or Decathlon brands.
I think a good comparison would be Honda or Toyota - their bread and butter are reliable, slightly boring cars. Yet they also develop GT or F1 cars that rival the likes of Porsche and Ferrari.
Also BMC quite obviously plans on going to the World Tour with Tudor in a few years.
good comparison. People also forget that Decathlon has a very succesful mountainbike team with their Rockrider bikes. They know what threy're doing. Their budget imago will vanish over the next couple of years
Their MTB brand is Rockrider, as seen in XC MTB World Cup racing......
Congratulations Jesse, all the best and enjoy fatherhood 👏
just lets remember the era of Tadej Valjavec who used Dechatlon aluminum alloy bikes . We were just wondering what that brand was
If I close my eyes it’s almost Jesse
Ha ha ha ha 🤣 it dose sound like him! If there was no video, people would think it was
i am hearing these while working, if it wasn't for Chris saying Jesse wasn't here, I wouldn't know from his voice accent
Stiffest bike I ever rode was an early 90’s was a GT aluminum “triple tri” Zaskar. Stiffest (rideable) bike was that Madone 6. It was like, 3.5 hours of that bike was all I could take.
I've got a Dogma F thats setup for a fairly aero position. Hella uncomfortable after 2.5 hours but god damn is it fun to bomb down an descent like a jet fighter. Worth the pain.
Don’t forget that Decathlon was in the pro tour in the 80’s and 90’s….
Yes. www.google.com/search?q=kirsipuu+ag2r+decathlon&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjZmqKws-6CAxUsFBAIHWjJDdMQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=kirsipuu+ag2r+decathlon&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoECCMQJzoGCAAQCBAeUNgUWMUmYIYsaABwAHgAgAFZiAHUA5IBAjEwmAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE&sclient=img&ei=U-dpZZmlOayowPAP6JK3mA0&bih=932&biw=1872#imgrc=-n4ik14wkYMWXM
Here's a good question -- How do you store your tubeless wheel set over the winter?
I ride a systemsix bs it’s too stif uncomfortable etc I do 4/5 hour rides, ride a caad13 winter bike getting one the system six defo feels smother
Hard to listen to the stiffness chat 😬
I want to hear more from E.B!
Im surprised more people dont train with a weight pack on. Works pretty good and its cheap.
The prototypes where already on a bike trade show last year in Belgium.
And what’s a top of the range Giant road bike, same as the World Tour bikes, cost?
I'd probably put Time bikes up there with BMC as ridiculously well engineered, but quite niche in terms of audience / reach.
did the pro mechanic say the aethos is both super still yet noodly in the same sentence
Yes, exactly my thoughts.
Not being super stiff isn’t a bad thing, depends what you want.
Is the LAB71 bottom bracket area stiff or not?
What kind of blowtorch? Butane gas blowtorch or hot air gun?
The blow torch is very OTT for disc brake pads. Just use disc brake cleaner on the pads and rotors (or nail polish remover) and wipe off oil/grease. Then sandpaper the pads a bit until they look new. Job done.
As oppose to rim brakes where you just use a dry cloth 😂
@@dickieblench5001they were talking about decontamination of pads. 99% of the time you don't need to touch disc brake pads, never ridden them I'm guessing?! 😅
@@dickieblench5001 Which you have to do regularly because your rims are constantly fucking up your pads. Meanwhile, the only time anyone really fucks their disc pads is because they don't know how to use them and glaze their pads on a down hill trying to ride the brakes as if they were shit performing rims calipers.
@@dickieblench5001 Yeah nah.
I’ve never had to do anything like this for disc brakes.
@@cjohnson3836 what does glaze your pads mean?
Gonna try the blow torch thing, thanks!
Why? Just use sandpaper and if the oil has penetrated too deeply into the pads then it's new pads.
@@bikerjk1205 why not? I tried sandpaper but it didn't do the job properly.
friend still races crits & high level road racing in UK and winters in Australia on his sworks venge, around 7.6kg... still unable to find its replacement, been close to having Cervelo S5. Venge in his view is still a top option but stay on 50's both ends nothing deeper.
I hope to see more brands like WINSPACE, ELVES, YOELEO and others in the pro peloton.
I was checking out Moto Guzzi yesterday, you can get their top level bikes for $13K. Even as a casual rider who logged in about 30,000 miles in the last 4 years, I’d have to seriously go mad to pay more than that on a bicycle made in China.
Casual rider who does nearly 8000 miles a year. Strong smell of BS here
FortNine did a good video on the price of motorcycles vs bicycles
@@alistairmartin13 ‘Casually serious’ like many others listening to this show. Why would any half witted cyclist try to make BS claims about their miles when all the miles tend to be recorded on garmin, strava etc..? I rode the heck out of the pandemic and I secretly miss that time. I meant casual and 30,000 in the sense that I don’t have racing goals but I like to train and be fit.
@@discbrakefan IMHO, that video is trying to justify bicycle prices by looking at it from a very narrow angle. First of all, norco is not a top level bike brand offering top level builds, their top spec xc bike has sram GX eagle, rockshox sid and alloy components. Norco has zero world tour pro victories as far as I know. A top spec mtb from specialized, Scott, cervelo actually costs anywhere from $12k to $15K not $7-8k. Bike brands used to have DuraAce builds at around 8K, now ultegra build is $7-10K and durace is $12k+. For the ultegra build money bicycle you can get a moto guzzi V7 and MG is not KtM, it is assembled in Italy not India and you can choose from 5 color options with an options list to add-on as well. Peaktorque had a good video on value analysis.
@@gokaygs Yep but “used to” was before the pandemic and years of inflation.
Motorcycle prices have risen significantly too.
I’m not going to argue bicycles are cheap, but hand-made carbon fibre and miniature electronics and servos are somewhat more complex and costly compared to the technology in motorcycles.
What bike is that one on the back? The green one.
BMC is a brilliant product, expense unspared, but not promoted enough and do any Aussie still make the connection to Cadel?
As a pinarello dogma f12 owner... I agree. ;)
Super Sub :)
What is the advantage of tubeless on a road bike? Isn't it heavier than a latex inner tube?
Less flat tyres. Up to you if you think that's worth it or not.
Not a great portrayal of the leisure cyclist imho. And there's definitely a role that perhaps is the largest missed, which is a performance/fitness cyclist that isn't purely in it to win it.
Congrats Jesse. As the father of a 2.5 year old girl, it is life changing in the best ways. Welcome to the club.
Bro you had a Girl , you are in the wrong club! 🤣🥳 JJ figure in the same club with Chris lmfaooo00 😂🤣😆🤌 but hey he has his girls in taekwondo! 👋🫲 Karate chop 🥩🪓🤣
@@HarryTzianakisTheGodOfSpeed 😂 I meant fatherhood club!
@@jonathangriego7334 I'm just messing around! 👍🍼🏆
25:15 thats just shit, just personal feelings, „energy passing through the frame“ what the hell😂😂
have a nice one
This bloke says ‘like ‘ a lot!!!!!
The dogmas bb tend to test a bit flexy according to tour matazine. Maybe the seatpost is the stiff part. Congrats on the baby
Every bike has its compromise so it’s up to your priorities what bike suits your needs.
First of all congrats to Jesse! As a father of two i can tell you your in for the ride of your life.
Second, this is for Edwin: please think about the number of times you "like.' You are a very informed person but you're doing yourself a deservice when you say it so often. I made it though the show but its tough when its so frequent.
Public speaking isn't natural for everyone. Don't be a dickhole
You are saying like you are perfect. It's like you don't have a thing. Like, we all have a thing ot two. Don't be like that guy! 😉
I like the Crit/Mechanic commentary.
He KNOWS, or at least I believe what he talks about.
As a non native English speaker, I couldn't get what you all mean about the snappiness of a bike... I thought it was something about dodging road obstacles easier 😅 . Reactiveness is a good term!
That Van Rysel just needs more color options and it will be mine after a sneaky loan 😂.
in europe Van rysel bikes been popular before eneter Pro Tour
lots of bikes we can see on roads. Maybe its so ouckward in Australia
What's "ouckward"?
unknown not familiar
@@bikerjk1205
BMC used to big in Europe about 5-10 years ago. But since then, manufacturers like Canyon have taken their place. Same thing happened to Bianchi. Sad to see, but since there are plenty of cheaper options (Canyon, Orbea, Cube, …), most people who got into cycling just recently don’t care about the more expensive brands.
Scott foil stiff? I heard from somebody who ride it totally opposite feelings
Really enjoyed Edwin's insights - i feel very accurate in terms of the bikes people purchase.
According to German Tour magazin the S5 is Not a stiff Bike that could cause your feeling that it isnt accelerating that good
Great video. Edwin was so right about the leisure cyclist; I'm a regular club 80 miler cafe stop- type, and the integrated handlebars just look distrubing! And yes you do carry on riding the same type of bike all your life- I just tunnel vision on a lightweight climbing bike.
for more than 10k i'd expect a twin-cam 16 valve (and yes pedals still not included)