You could legitimately just make a full podcast on best bike setup, with a different episode for every recent. Start with races you’ve done and then start bringing in guests.
I crashed real hard at the end of March (broke scapula) and I got obsessed with cycling RUclips to get my fix. This show was awesome! Now I am back on the bike I still look forward to new episodes. Y’all are killing it thanks for all the chat
I’ve spent a few hours on the bike with Cam. He comes across as a good bloke on you tube, and he’s that same good bloke in real life; that’s why he’s done so well. Stoked for him.
GCN may have a huge reach, but they're also spending someone else's money. And those somebodies want as much as they can get. It's also why DIY channels like yours are so valuable.
Awesome. 🤣 I love Jesse’s last comment re: crits. “I don’t know if I can be bothered...”. Puts a voice to what I was thinking too. Well played JC. FYI - best show on the interweb. Heads down, keep digging fellas... thanks!!
Happy to hear Orbea getting a mention! Should have mentioned them in the next segment as well, they have incredible customization when ordering. Type of handlebars, width, stem length, crank length, all the colours...
For the Cannondale debate, a relevant data point is the German magazine Tour just aero-tested the gen 4 Supersix Evo and it's right up there with the Canyon Aeroad's and Cervelo S5's of the world, despite being a light-weight "all-arounder". And that was without the integrated bar that comes on the top-end specs. I think you get the best of both worlds with the new SSE, Ben Healy notwithstanding.
You mention bar width, the market is stuck 20+yrs behind. Recently watched some early 2000's tdf stuff and what stood out were the wide bars and setbacks.
This is cool. I’m a couple generations older than you guys and my race bikes have never had bars narrower than 42, my typical stem length has been 90 and my cranks are 172.5. What’s funny is I absolutely know somebody a generation from now will be listening to your choices and biases and think, wow, those guys rode wonky bikes! Love it. BTW, my newest bike is an Aspero full mechanical with a gravel set up and a road set up with 30mm C36 wheels. As a road bike it weights 18 pounds. Heaviest road bike I’ve owned in decades, but sooooo much fun and comfort.
Click bait titles will grab some initial viewers, but it's the quality of the material and presentation which keeps them coming back, as in "subscribed". I don't remember what got me to initially watch your show, but I now look forward to your weekly presentation as a breath of fresh air for cycling content. Oh, and I'm glad Remco pulled out after getting sick. It was a logical move for his own health, and to stay in the race would have endangered other cyclists. Covid is contagious. That's just my 70 year old cycling fan opinion.
I love Cam getting the BMC gig, he's one of the channels I go to for his opinions on bikes. You mention Francis and Vegan, I go to them more for the entertainment, although Francis is focusing more of gear than the vlog side of it, recently.
Great content guys! Really enjoying the chat and topics covered. No BS and honest opinions. As a long-term lycra wearing mountain biker, it’s good to see Chris coming over to the dark side👍🏻
Hey guys, just wanted to point out that the Gen 7 Madone (newest one) has a significant flare to the drops. So the hoods are 3cm in from the drops. In real world terms, a 54 comes with 42cm bars, but the hoods measure 39cm. Great podcast as usual!
Glad to hear the Orca Aero shout out. I went for it over the BMC TMR (Having been on a '12 TMR prior) mainly because of the $5k USD difference in price for the same finishing kit, but also a bit of that pro-team lack of use concern. Happy to see that the Orca Aero has found success mostly with the Cerazit WNT team and a bit with Euskatel, but mainly the fact that it could survive Roubaix. Also, Orbea allows you to spec any handlebar width, stem length, and crank length with your order which saves your point on the second segment discussion.
Coming from an mtb background. The short track is weird, but it's usually better than that one was. Pidcock is real deal. He also rides downhill mtb and absolutely has skills, but many others there do as well. Nino and others can take the fight to him at other venues I'm sure.
So interesting, the chat about the frames being different for pro riders. You've only got to look at this year's Cannondale range where they've got the LAB 71, Evo Hi-Mod and Evo - 'same bike', completely different... bike...? That's how easy it is to lay up different versions; if you can do it on a mass scale, it's easy to do it for a handful of bikes for the pro teams. I echoed this sentiment in the comments of a video a while back after Hambini basically said the frames the pros are on are 'specials' and definitely not what you buy at the store, and I got shot down, probably by dentists who can't stand to not have EXACTLY what the pros have, and doubted myself. Now I hear this UCI chat and weight discrepancy thing with Froome's bike, and it just bringing me back to believing it again.
Let’s talk about tristantakesvideos channel. You have never noticed this one. Ok the content is sponsored most of the time but the quality of the videos is sooooo sick (footage, music, content,…..). For Chris watching RUclips on his tv, you will like this one if you have never watched it.
Great pod Lads, I was also so just having this conversation yesterday. Ben Healy’s bike is fantastic, the components are great, however you just can’t get them! I looked for the vision 4D bars and the narrowest I could get were 40’s! It’s terribly frustrating when bikes come with wide bars and short stems! Factor are now offering pretty much every option now which is great and hopefully everyone will follow suit. I think we may be a small minority however who love the small bars and long stem. Most blokes who I ask out on the bunch rides what bar width etc they run they don’t have the foggiest. I think most blokes just run what the bike comes with. Johnathan Skinner was so far ahead of the game, the man was running 36cm bars and deep wheels about 8 years ago and aero was everything to him. He was so fast on that p5 and s5. Arguably still one of the fastest bikes today.
11:11 loving how Chris is acting all cool and sipping on his drink when Jesse mentions “the aeroad handlebars are adjustable” 😂 #nerobike One day you will slip up Chris!!
custom Ti - peak Fred custom Steel - peak dentist/doctor all around aero carbon - peak race/fondo pure aero carbon - peak poseur Great take from both Chris and Jesse on critbeef
I have got a 2021 BMC timemachine who h replaced a 2019 Teammachine bit disc. Both fast, both awesome bikes. Honestly the Teammachine did climb a little better when out of the saddle but the timemachine is fast on the rolling and flat roads. I was told the timemachine was as a harsh ride but I find it fine on long rides. Love the BMC brand and it’s so good to see Cam with a sponsorship from them. Worth remembering he has always been a fan and has made multiple vids declaring the bmc as one of his favourite bikes so seeing him sponsored now shouldn’t take away from his honesty.
Been a while since I commented but have had one or two things floating around over the last few episodes: 1. Chris Miller: - The bike is stunning. The graphics in the frame wrap awesome. Liked the family involvement. 2. Toe covers. What! Spoken like a man who doesn't live in a climate where they are a god send. 3. GIRO. Your comment that it has left a bitter taste is sadly near the truth. The conditions have been awful but I wonder whether they have been bad in past years and it just haven't had the coverage? But I think the racing has been amazing, though I would query whether it has always been safe. Jesse 1. Didnt you say you wouldn't be comfortable riding a no name bike? Really? So if somebody gave you a C68 without the badges on, you wouldn't be happy? 2. TCR. It looks good. I ride a rim bike and although I accept that braking in the wet is better with discs, I try not to ride in the wet and rim brakes seemed fine for the Pro Tour until 2 years ago. Now the area of concern is carbon rims. One of your countrymen Luescher Teknik scared me off carbon rims: delamination, blow outs etc. What's your take? Both: 1. Pro bikes, the reality. Can of worms. I believe a con of epic proportions has been and is being carried out. I think that many Pro bikes are specially made by companies trying to convince people that 'the bike they ride, you can buy'. It's appalling. I don't believe that all manufacturers are affected, maybe not Pinarello and not TIME, whose bikes are manufactured in France using a different technique. It should be stopped but it will hurt Specialized, Canyon, Cannondale and Giant et Al. Let's see but you should run with this. 2. Covid. Totally agree with what you said. Covid knocked me over for several days. Can you imagine being forced to ride in those circumstances and in that terrible weather?! A little dangerous. 3. Deliveroo couriers. I think the spinning around on the pavements reflects badly on everybody My only moment of amusement was when Matt Stevens did a cafe ride with Ethan Hayter, and you see a Deliveroo ebike gradually catch and overtake them to their obvious surprise. Good show though guys. Really very good.
I put a 36cm aero bar on mine a few weeks back (I'm 5'9, smallish build, just went super narrow via an online purchase without testing it for feel first)... it fits like an absolute glove and now anything bigger feels really unnatural to me. Even sprinting feels better than the 42cm bars that were on the bike before.
Hey guys, great show! I just want to add my 2 cent for the factor bike being slower, I had a regular build last year on the Ostro with the forty five and I did find it a bit sluggish. This year I did a full custom build with the Zipp 454 NSW and it’s completely a different ride now. I know a few guys that did wheel upgrades and went with the Firecrest or the Roval rapid so you don’t have to go to very top end to make that bike faster . Black inc are a great wheel but if you’re trying to race they will hold you back.
Positive criticism. Id love you two guys even more if you grow out mullets. It's not even an unreasonable request as mullets are now back in fashion. Imagine how cool you'd look with the hair flapping behind your helmets. It would be totally sik bro.
Why doesn’t Merida get any love ? Two stage wins so far at the Giro, great bikes, super quick and nobody ever mentions them. Both the Reacto and the Scultura. FYI Merida owns Specialized.
@@tommasopuccini3688 True, 49% but you get my point. I think it’s because they have such a wide range of bikes and sell in some chain retailers they’re not seen as voguish/ trendy as models like Factor.
On the bars: most of the riders in our group changed to smaller bars and turn the hoods in a bit to be more comfortable in aero hoods position. Plus the straight line from your shoulders or even slightly inwards feels way more comfortable than outwards
I think mountain bike RUclipsrs are sooo ahead of road cycling RUclipsrs in terms of being connected to the industry. Many RUclipsrs in the Mtb scene have affiliations with fork companies, with frame companies, tyre companies, nutrition and clothing….. and many do it in a tactful manner
Narrow bars for road bikes will just get narrower until it gets ridiculous. Same as wider bars for MTBs during the 00s. 710mm-750mm was a sweet-spot for most but it got to 800mm, almost unrideable and ridiculous for most people. Save your money and wait for the marketing hype of ever narrowing bars to settle down, or maybe just measure your shoulder width and ignore. There's a huge difference between wind-tunnel gains and enjoying riding down mountain twisties. There's no point in gaining 2 watts with your hyper fashionable 32cm bars when you can't ride it round a corner and ride over a cliff and die.
Hey on the point of what makes the bike faster... I had a revelation of sorts: So about two weeks ago. Had some hamstring fatigue on ride over 2 hours and lowered my seat post by 1-2mm. Outcome? Before NP301w for 2 1/2 hours now 321W NP for the same loop. That is from one ride to the next. Did a few more on that loop just to make sure. Result is consistent 20-25w more! Blew my mind!
I think you guys should cycle in Vancouver in November/December/January/ February in our rains and do some climbing up to 2500meters and understand what it’s like to have cold hands and body. Rather than commentating from Australia where to be truthful it’s not that cold. Love your program and chats! Keep up the good work.
Glad you bought this up about the giant propel as I bought one the day they were released and went with small as it fit in with my bike fit perfectly except the reach was a little too small but I thought, new stem…bikes perfect. Months later and there are still no stems available so I’m having to rock the 90mm when I want the 120mm…definitely thought they would have some available right now…very annoying! 🤦🏻♂️
I'd love to have a stock Pinarello Dogma F to compare it to my mine which was the reserve bike of Tom Pidcock. And it doesn't stop with the frames. My Pinarello came with Lightweight Meilenstein Obermayer and the quick release skewers from lightweight are less than half the weight of the "normal" ones.
The wind hits the cross section of your arms. Whether you move them closer or wider. The additional drag is the Δ of the additional cross section of the bar. Going even more complex, the wind flow after passing your arms must be smartly directed afterward. So far as I know. Re. Aero bike w wider handlebar is similar to sports car with auto transmission & being more driver friendly. No casual rider can drive pure sports car efficiently. The same goes with handlebar width. The wider the less nervous you steer the bike.
I love that we don't have an monopoly in content creator's bike sponsors, if you look across the space including delving into the triathlon bike sponsors there is a wide range of companies represented in both established and newer bike content creators. Alex Dowsett, I thought he would go with Factor given that he was on Factor for his hour record and Factor sponsors another individual (Phil Gaimon). Cam one was obvious. Others are just happy to see that it isn't all focused towards one popular bike sponsor company like Canyon. Pro level spec testing, when was the announcement? I haven't heard about this. I did see a discussion on r/velo about how none of the new TT helmets are available to purchase when they should be according to UCI rules, which could be hinted at with how you said that Track stuff is notorious to get at the consumer level. Even switching over the Grio weather gear, I think there was a couple of stealth drops since they weren't available on the kit's site that were being used in the Grio, not sure about this though. I do know that the reason why they wear the black is that is whats best for the weather and dye doesn't work well so that is why it looks like crappy printing of white letters on an otherwise black jacket.
with the pro specific equipment, it comes down to whether they are making custom items for pros, or, if they are just taking the best QC items and passing them to the pros. so you get the same frame, its just yours didnt QC as well so its designated "consumer grade" instead of "pro grade"
Agree on the bars / stem issues particularly with the integrated cockpits. I sit between a 51 or 54 frame. If I go with a 51, I might get the 170 cranks I use and probably a 40cm bar (I ride 36's) and the stem will be a 90 making a bike that's on the smaller fit even smaller. Go up a size and the cranks will be too long and a 42cm bar.
Next show: 2023 ETRTO hookless recommendation now removes 28mm tire from Hookless strait side 25mm internal rims compatibility. Now 29mm minimum. Too many blow offs at 28mm? 🤔
I was lucky enough to be at the XC in Nové Město na Moravě and watch the whole show. Yes, it's cool and it makes you shake your head what these guys (including women) are capable of riding. Believe me, it's really nowhere near as dramatic on TV as it is in person. 😅 On the other hand, when you see the effort in riders' faces, you think, "That's really fckin hard work!" 🤣 The best part of it all is that most of the racers are out in public before and after the race. I got a picture like this with Puck Pieterse (who won the women's race), or Fem van Empel, for example. If you can, take a trip to the Czech Republic. Vysočina aréna (the place where XC and biatlon races take place) is renowned for its great atmosphere and it's relatively cheap. You won't regret it. 😊
For handlebar, pros are free to choose all sizes. But as end-users we often do not have any choice. Hence I just bought ENVE Melee which let me choose handlebar size. (and type of handlebar I want) ENVE is known for selling narrow size handlebar.
Interesting, I run a time-machine 2022. The clearance says '28s' but I run tyres measuring up to 32 no issues. The area it might fall down is that there's a plastic cover over the front disc brake which is borderline UCI illegal which is why I believe less people run the bike.
Love you guys brought up the Venge Vias. I have one and you are spot on. The brakes don't work. They are a pain to work on and it must be my most cussed bike. But I love it. It is the fastest bike I have (probably because the brakes don't work) and amazingly light. But would I buy one again? A slight maybe😂😂😂
Disc brakes are causing all the crashes. This is the first Grand Tour that has been consistently wet since they became commonplace. There's not enough traction for all that braking power. They might get used to them over the years but, it's definitely the brakes!
Factor bikes were first made in a small unit in the small town I live in, in Diss, Norfolk, England. Baden Cook then came onboard and all manufacturing was moved to China because of cheaper production costs. The original company is f1 systems who also made the £25k Aston Martin bike
You should buy a mtb, the equipment has gone completely crazy, bikes are pretty insane, and xc racing is fun as hell. I am not into the downhill stuff, but xc stuff with climbs and technical decent is fun.
I want an all round bike that’s light enough to climb really well and fast enough on the flat. Hence why I’ll be getting a tarmac and getting rid of my Aeroad. I’m an all round rider at 70kg and 186cm and want a bike that reflects how I want to race
im in the market for a new bike myself and im willing to drop 10k (euros) on it but i have the same problem that you guys mentioned. they all come with 40-42 bars (on a small frame) and with the full integration you cannot just swap out your bar and that is a shame. i think they really need to step up their game in that regard. crank length and barwidth/stemlength should be mandatory options on every bike especially on the fully integrated ones. i wanted to buy a V4RS at my LBS 2 weeks ago. size 52ish (effective top tube) and the shop got it with 175 cranks (yes im not joking you) and a 42mm bar. i mean i simply cannot ride it. im not dropping another 2k euros on a new bar/stem + new crankset and the shops tell me they have to sell it as they come. thats why im heavily leaning towards canyon now (just waiting for the new aeroad to release)
I'd like to see your opinions on the bike comparison between aero/climbing with each brand, but at a lower pricepoint, say 5-5.5k USD, as the way brands spec the components changes the way the bikes ride so significantly it may change your answer at the lower price point - for example while the new madone at the top end may be a better bike than the emonda, the base emonda SL (with Ultegra) is almost a kg lighter than the same spec Madone SL.
I don’t know if I’ve watched too many cycling videos but all these bikes leave me so cold now. I can’t tell them apart, most are black so change the name and I wouldn’t know.
You can buy ex team bikes. I have Sam Oomens Sunweb R5 . No special sleeves, just a lot of chipped paint - may be didn't run a chain protector to save weight, but that's it.
Debating which bike you would run is peak content. Love the bench racing.
You could legitimately just make a full podcast on best bike setup, with a different episode for every recent. Start with races you’ve done and then start bringing in guests.
I crashed real hard at the end of March (broke scapula) and I got obsessed with cycling RUclips to get my fix. This show was awesome! Now I am back on the bike I still look forward to new episodes. Y’all are killing it thanks for all the chat
Glad you are ok now!
Cam has a multi pronged approach. Training, Bike Fit, Nutrition, Bike Builds, Vlog Style videos etc. So its quiet a unique channel.
I’ve spent a few hours on the bike with Cam. He comes across as a good bloke on you tube, and he’s that same good bloke in real life; that’s why he’s done so well. Stoked for him.
I've literally been binge watching this show! I did the previous 33 in a week :D
Me too. In two weeks I have listened to every single one of them (as a podcast). Crazy good chemistry, 0 % cringe content.
GCN may have a huge reach, but they're also spending someone else's money. And those somebodies want as much as they can get.
It's also why DIY channels like yours are so valuable.
This is actually my favourite Cycling Show on RUclips. Kudos the direction you guys have taken
Awesome. 🤣 I love Jesse’s last comment re: crits. “I don’t know if I can be bothered...”. Puts a voice to what I was thinking too. Well played JC.
FYI - best show on the interweb. Heads down, keep digging fellas... thanks!!
A choice of stem length and handlebar width should be default nowadays when buying a complete bike.
Happy to hear Orbea getting a mention! Should have mentioned them in the next segment as well, they have incredible customization when ordering. Type of handlebars, width, stem length, crank length, all the colours...
They also have sensible bar widths and stem lengths on their non custom buy from store bikes.
For the Cannondale debate, a relevant data point is the German magazine Tour just aero-tested the gen 4 Supersix Evo and it's right up there with the Canyon Aeroad's and Cervelo S5's of the world, despite being a light-weight "all-arounder". And that was without the integrated bar that comes on the top-end specs. I think you get the best of both worlds with the new SSE, Ben Healy notwithstanding.
Can u send a link from the magazine please?
@@th24gg19 U can buy the article for 1-2 euros online.
@@th24gg19 Or just read weightweenies Tour mag aero test forum.
You mention bar width, the market is stuck 20+yrs behind. Recently watched some early 2000's tdf stuff and what stood out were the wide bars and setbacks.
And still most bikes come with a huge setback seatpost, wide bars, etc.
This is cool. I’m a couple generations older than you guys and my race bikes have never had bars narrower than 42, my typical stem length has been 90 and my cranks are 172.5. What’s funny is I absolutely know somebody a generation from now will be listening to your choices and biases and think, wow, those guys rode wonky bikes! Love it. BTW, my newest bike is an Aspero full mechanical with a gravel set up and a road set up with 30mm C36 wheels. As a road bike it weights 18 pounds. Heaviest road bike I’ve owned in decades, but sooooo much fun and comfort.
Click bait titles will grab some initial viewers, but it's the quality of the material and presentation which keeps them coming back, as in "subscribed". I don't remember what got me to initially watch your show, but I now look forward to your weekly presentation as a breath of fresh air for cycling content. Oh, and I'm glad Remco pulled out after getting sick. It was a logical move for his own health, and to stay in the race would have endangered other cyclists. Covid is contagious. That's just my 70 year old cycling fan opinion.
I love Cam getting the BMC gig, he's one of the channels I go to for his opinions on bikes. You mention Francis and Vegan, I go to them more for the entertainment, although Francis is focusing more of gear than the vlog side of it, recently.
Great content guys! Really enjoying the chat and topics covered. No BS and honest opinions. As a long-term lycra wearing mountain biker, it’s good to see Chris coming over to the dark side👍🏻
This is my favorite cycling channel by far. I get so excited when I see the notification that there is a new video. Thank you!
Hey guys, just wanted to point out that the Gen 7 Madone (newest one) has a significant flare to the drops. So the hoods are 3cm in from the drops. In real world terms, a 54 comes with 42cm bars, but the hoods measure 39cm.
Great podcast as usual!
In line with today's standards, the uglier the better. Did it also come with the levers mounted in 45 degree inwards?
Still too oldschool.
Hey guys, i checked you out for the first time when Jeff was on and now im hooked. Love the show. Thanks for making it.
Name these whatever you want guys...best cycling show on RUclips!
Glad to hear the Orca Aero shout out. I went for it over the BMC TMR (Having been on a '12 TMR prior) mainly because of the $5k USD difference in price for the same finishing kit, but also a bit of that pro-team lack of use concern. Happy to see that the Orca Aero has found success mostly with the Cerazit WNT team and a bit with Euskatel, but mainly the fact that it could survive Roubaix. Also, Orbea allows you to spec any handlebar width, stem length, and crank length with your order which saves your point on the second segment discussion.
I am with you Chris, never watched mtb until Piddy came along, now I am hooked
My favorite new cycling pod! Thanks for all you do!
I clicked on this video because I enjoy the format and you discuss topics I'm interested in.
I didn't even read the thumbnail title.
Wish you guys were doing this full time. Could listen to it several multiple times a week
Love the show and highly in shock that it is not getting more recognition! You guys are killing it, warm regards from Poland!
Coming from an mtb background. The short track is weird, but it's usually better than that one was. Pidcock is real deal. He also rides downhill mtb and absolutely has skills, but many others there do as well. Nino and others can take the fight to him at other venues I'm sure.
🤣 I had a good chuckle at your Rapha sweatshirt in light of our exchanged comments on the previous episode video Chris
👋😂
So interesting, the chat about the frames being different for pro riders. You've only got to look at this year's Cannondale range where they've got the LAB 71, Evo Hi-Mod and Evo - 'same bike', completely different... bike...? That's how easy it is to lay up different versions; if you can do it on a mass scale, it's easy to do it for a handful of bikes for the pro teams. I echoed this sentiment in the comments of a video a while back after Hambini basically said the frames the pros are on are 'specials' and definitely not what you buy at the store, and I got shot down, probably by dentists who can't stand to not have EXACTLY what the pros have, and doubted myself. Now I hear this UCI chat and weight discrepancy thing with Froome's bike, and it just bringing me back to believing it again.
Let’s talk about tristantakesvideos channel. You have never noticed this one. Ok the content is sponsored most of the time but the quality of the videos is sooooo sick (footage, music, content,…..). For Chris watching RUclips on his tv, you will like this one if you have never watched it.
Great pod Lads, I was also so just having this conversation yesterday. Ben Healy’s bike is fantastic, the components are great, however you just can’t get them! I looked for the vision 4D bars and the narrowest I could get were 40’s! It’s terribly frustrating when bikes come with wide bars and short stems! Factor are now offering pretty much every option now which is great and hopefully everyone will follow suit. I think we may be a small minority however who love the small bars and long stem. Most blokes who I ask out on the bunch rides what bar width etc they run they don’t have the foggiest. I think most blokes just run what the bike comes with. Johnathan Skinner was so far ahead of the game, the man was running 36cm bars and deep wheels about 8 years ago and aero was everything to him. He was so fast on that p5 and s5. Arguably still one of the fastest bikes today.
11:11 loving how Chris is acting all cool and sipping on his drink when Jesse mentions “the aeroad handlebars are adjustable”
😂 #nerobike
One day you will slip up Chris!!
Look forward to this podcast every week
Enjoyed the team boss perspective at the end. Never thought of any of that. Thanks for sharing.
custom Ti - peak Fred
custom Steel - peak dentist/doctor
all around aero carbon - peak race/fondo
pure aero carbon - peak poseur
Great take from both Chris and Jesse on critbeef
I have got a 2021 BMC timemachine who h replaced a 2019 Teammachine bit disc. Both fast, both awesome bikes. Honestly the Teammachine did climb a little better when out of the saddle but the timemachine is fast on the rolling and flat roads.
I was told the timemachine was as a harsh ride but I find it fine on long rides.
Love the BMC brand and it’s so good to see Cam with a sponsorship from them. Worth remembering he has always been a fan and has made multiple vids declaring the bmc as one of his favourite bikes so seeing him sponsored now shouldn’t take away from his honesty.
FYI, in regards to the Orbea Orca Aero, I ordered mine with a 38 mm bar, lots of little swaps you can make using their myo builder!
Been a while since I commented but have had one or two things floating around over the last few episodes:
1. Chris Miller:
- The bike is stunning. The graphics in the frame wrap awesome. Liked the family involvement.
2. Toe covers. What! Spoken like a man who doesn't live in a climate where they are a god send.
3. GIRO. Your comment that it has left a bitter taste is sadly near the truth. The conditions have been awful but I wonder whether they have been bad in past years and it just haven't had the coverage? But I think the racing has been amazing, though I would query whether it has always been safe.
Jesse
1. Didnt you say you wouldn't be comfortable riding a no name bike? Really? So if somebody gave you a C68 without the badges on, you wouldn't be happy?
2. TCR. It looks good. I ride a rim bike and although I accept that braking in the wet is better with discs, I try not to ride in the wet and rim brakes seemed fine for the Pro Tour until 2 years ago. Now the area of concern is carbon rims. One of your countrymen Luescher Teknik scared me off carbon rims: delamination, blow outs etc. What's your take?
Both:
1. Pro bikes, the reality. Can of worms. I believe a con of epic proportions has been and is being carried out. I think that many Pro bikes are specially made by companies trying to convince people that 'the bike they ride, you can buy'. It's appalling. I don't believe that all manufacturers are affected, maybe not Pinarello and not TIME, whose bikes are manufactured in France using a different technique. It should be stopped but it will hurt Specialized, Canyon, Cannondale and Giant et Al. Let's see but you should run with this.
2. Covid. Totally agree with what you said. Covid knocked me over for several days. Can you imagine being forced to ride in those circumstances and in that terrible weather?! A little dangerous.
3. Deliveroo couriers. I think the spinning around on the pavements reflects badly on everybody
My only moment of amusement was when Matt Stevens did a cafe ride with Ethan Hayter, and you see a Deliveroo ebike gradually catch and overtake them to their obvious surprise.
Good show though guys. Really very good.
TNS continues to be my RUclips cycling weekly highlight! Keep it coming gents 👍
I put a 36cm aero bar on mine a few weeks back (I'm 5'9, smallish build, just went super narrow via an online purchase without testing it for feel first)... it fits like an absolute glove and now anything bigger feels really unnatural to me. Even sprinting feels better than the 42cm bars that were on the bike before.
Hey guys, great show!
I just want to add my 2 cent for the factor bike being slower, I had a regular build last year on the Ostro with the forty five and I did find it a bit sluggish. This year I did a full custom build with the Zipp 454 NSW and it’s completely a different ride now. I know a few guys that did wheel upgrades and went with the Firecrest or the Roval rapid so you don’t have to go to very top end to make that bike faster . Black inc are a great wheel but if you’re trying to race they will hold you back.
Positive criticism. Id love you two guys even more if you grow out mullets. It's not even an unreasonable request as mullets are now back in fashion. Imagine how cool you'd look with the hair flapping behind your helmets. It would be totally sik bro.
Bar and crank length can be selected on an Orbea Orca Aero with no additional cost in the myMio program.
Why doesn’t Merida get any love ? Two stage wins so far at the Giro, great bikes, super quick and nobody ever mentions them. Both the Reacto and the Scultura. FYI Merida owns Specialized.
they don’t own specialized in its entirety, but yes specialized frames and Merida frames are made in the same factory. I agree
@@tommasopuccini3688 True, 49% but you get my point. I think it’s because they have such a wide range of bikes and sell in some chain retailers they’re not seen as voguish/ trendy as models like Factor.
On the bars: most of the riders in our group changed to smaller bars and turn the hoods in a bit to be more comfortable in aero hoods position. Plus the straight line from your shoulders or even slightly inwards feels way more comfortable than outwards
With wide bars as std it is easy to shorten brake lines etc if you fit narrow bars, going the other way is a major PITA.
I've had a lot of time on PZero and GP5000 and noticed very little difference in straight line speed
Did anyone catch what Chris said about the TCR?
You are voices of reason! Keep up the great work.
I'd love to see a crowd funding effort by a load of RUclipsrs to buy a pro race bike at the end of the season and interrogate it
You'd have to get in line. They go pretty quickly.
Unresearched facts are always pure gold.
Just switched from stock 42 width bars to 38, game changer so much more comfortable
Loving the bike chat! and all the whats going on in cycling and RUclips, really good stuff.
I think mountain bike RUclipsrs are sooo ahead of road cycling RUclipsrs in terms of being connected to the industry. Many RUclipsrs in the Mtb scene have affiliations with fork companies, with frame companies, tyre companies, nutrition and clothing….. and many do it in a tactful manner
Narrow bars for road bikes will just get narrower until it gets ridiculous. Same as wider bars for MTBs during the 00s. 710mm-750mm was a sweet-spot for most but it got to 800mm, almost unrideable and ridiculous for most people.
Save your money and wait for the marketing hype of ever narrowing bars to settle down, or maybe just measure your shoulder width and ignore. There's a huge difference between wind-tunnel gains and enjoying riding down mountain twisties. There's no point in gaining 2 watts with your hyper fashionable 32cm bars when you can't ride it round a corner and ride over a cliff and die.
It’s not hype, it’s modern bike fit dude.
This video is a banger! I'd like to see the recent beef between Norcal and Legion on the next nero show 👀
Would be really cool to have Cam or Tristan on the show!
Hey on the point of what makes the bike faster... I had a revelation of sorts: So about two weeks ago. Had some hamstring fatigue on ride over 2 hours and lowered my seat post by 1-2mm. Outcome? Before NP301w for 2 1/2 hours now 321W NP for the same loop. That is from one ride to the next. Did a few more on that loop just to make sure. Result is consistent 20-25w more! Blew my mind!
What about reacto vs scultura?
Had the same idea, Reacto also comes with a longer stem in a medium size compared to other aero bikes
I think you guys should cycle in Vancouver in November/December/January/ February in our rains and do some climbing up to 2500meters and understand what it’s like to have cold hands and body. Rather than commentating from Australia where to be truthful it’s not that cold. Love your program and chats! Keep up the good work.
Colnago Concept rim brake would also be a good option!!
Glad you bought this up about the giant propel as I bought one the day they were released and went with small as it fit in with my bike fit perfectly except the reach was a little too small but I thought, new stem…bikes perfect. Months later and there are still no stems available so I’m having to rock the 90mm when I want the 120mm…definitely thought they would have some available right now…very annoying! 🤦🏻♂️
Cheers again lads 👍🏻
I'd love to have a stock Pinarello Dogma F to compare it to my mine which was the reserve bike of Tom Pidcock.
And it doesn't stop with the frames. My Pinarello came with Lightweight Meilenstein Obermayer and the quick release skewers from lightweight are less than half the weight of the "normal" ones.
The wind hits the cross section of your arms. Whether you move them closer or wider. The additional drag is the Δ of the additional cross section of the bar. Going even more complex, the wind flow after passing your arms must be smartly directed afterward. So far as I know.
Re. Aero bike w wider handlebar is similar to sports car with auto transmission & being more driver friendly. No casual rider can drive pure sports car efficiently. The same goes with handlebar width. The wider the less nervous you steer the bike.
I love that we don't have an monopoly in content creator's bike sponsors, if you look across the space including delving into the triathlon bike sponsors there is a wide range of companies represented in both established and newer bike content creators.
Alex Dowsett, I thought he would go with Factor given that he was on Factor for his hour record and Factor sponsors another individual (Phil Gaimon). Cam one was obvious. Others are just happy to see that it isn't all focused towards one popular bike sponsor company like Canyon.
Pro level spec testing, when was the announcement? I haven't heard about this. I did see a discussion on r/velo about how none of the new TT helmets are available to purchase when they should be according to UCI rules, which could be hinted at with how you said that Track stuff is notorious to get at the consumer level.
Even switching over the Grio weather gear, I think there was a couple of stealth drops since they weren't available on the kit's site that were being used in the Grio, not sure about this though. I do know that the reason why they wear the black is that is whats best for the weather and dye doesn't work well so that is why it looks like crappy printing of white letters on an otherwise black jacket.
Great show guys as always. Loved the reg vs aero bike segment
congrats on 40k!!!!!
with the pro specific equipment, it comes down to whether they are making custom items for pros, or, if they are just taking the best QC items and passing them to the pros. so you get the same frame, its just yours didnt QC as well so its designated "consumer grade" instead of "pro grade"
Jumbo with Roglic and Jonas only run the R5 on the climbing stages, interestingly.
Agree on the bars / stem issues particularly with the integrated cockpits. I sit between a 51 or 54 frame. If I go with a 51, I might get the 170 cranks I use and probably a 40cm bar (I ride 36's) and the stem will be a 90 making a bike that's on the smaller fit even smaller. Go up a size and the cranks will be too long and a 42cm bar.
Next show: 2023 ETRTO hookless recommendation now removes 28mm tire from Hookless strait side 25mm internal rims compatibility. Now 29mm minimum. Too many blow offs at 28mm? 🤔
I was lucky enough to be at the XC in Nové Město na Moravě and watch the whole show. Yes, it's cool and it makes you shake your head what these guys (including women) are capable of riding. Believe me, it's really nowhere near as dramatic on TV as it is in person. 😅 On the other hand, when you see the effort in riders' faces, you think, "That's really fckin hard work!" 🤣
The best part of it all is that most of the racers are out in public before and after the race. I got a picture like this with Puck Pieterse (who won the women's race), or Fem van Empel, for example.
If you can, take a trip to the Czech Republic. Vysočina aréna (the place where XC and biatlon races take place) is renowned for its great atmosphere and it's relatively cheap. You won't regret it. 😊
For handlebar, pros are free to choose all sizes. But as end-users we often do not have any choice.
Hence I just bought ENVE Melee which let me choose handlebar size. (and type of handlebar I want)
ENVE is known for selling narrow size handlebar.
BMC already has a success in social media with Tristantake. They may be expanding their presence to Cam because of Tristan.
Good on you for calling out Dowsett - I’m definitely a little more suspicious now about some of his other claims
Interesting, I run a time-machine 2022. The clearance says '28s' but I run tyres measuring up to 32 no issues. The area it might fall down is that there's a plastic cover over the front disc brake which is borderline UCI illegal which is why I believe less people run the bike.
Love you guys brought up the Venge Vias. I have one and you are spot on. The brakes don't work. They are a pain to work on and it must be my most cussed bike. But I love it. It is the fastest bike I have (probably because the brakes don't work) and amazingly light. But would I buy one again? A slight maybe😂😂😂
Well done chaps, great show 😊
Disc brakes are causing all the crashes. This is the first Grand Tour that has been consistently wet since they became commonplace. There's not enough traction for all that braking power. They might get used to them over the years but, it's definitely the brakes!
"all round" bikes with not even a single cargo mounting point? We have very different naming schemes :D
Just wear a backpack, then every bike is all around
SystemSix owner. It's my favorite bike that I have ever ridden.
Great video guys thanks
Factor bikes were first made in a small unit in the small town I live in, in Diss, Norfolk, England.
Baden Cook then came onboard and all manufacturing was moved to China because of cheaper production costs.
The original company is f1 systems who also made the £25k Aston Martin bike
Great episode!
You should buy a mtb, the equipment has gone completely crazy, bikes are pretty insane, and xc racing is fun as hell. I am not into the downhill stuff, but xc stuff with climbs and technical decent is fun.
Which was your pick between the BMC Teammachine and Timemachie? Didn't say lads😅
I have a 90mm stem and feel it is a bit small. I don't know if I should go 100mm or 110mm. Is a 10mm increase a big change?
You can tell. If you jump to a 110 from a 90 you will feel it. Go for it!
Keep going kings
The old Trek Madone was a boat, it dropped anchor going up hill, and cornering was meh.
I want an all round bike that’s light enough to climb really well and fast enough on the flat. Hence why I’ll be getting a tarmac and getting rid of my Aeroad. I’m an all round rider at 70kg and 186cm and want a bike that reflects how I want to race
im in the market for a new bike myself and im willing to drop 10k (euros) on it but i have the same problem that you guys mentioned. they all come with 40-42 bars (on a small frame) and with the full integration you cannot just swap out your bar and that is a shame. i think they really need to step up their game in that regard. crank length and barwidth/stemlength should be mandatory options on every bike especially on the fully integrated ones.
i wanted to buy a V4RS at my LBS 2 weeks ago. size 52ish (effective top tube) and the shop got it with 175 cranks (yes im not joking you) and a 42mm bar. i mean i simply cannot ride it. im not dropping another 2k euros on a new bar/stem + new crankset and the shops tell me they have to sell it as they come.
thats why im heavily leaning towards canyon now (just waiting for the new aeroad to release)
No idea how THAT model fairs size-wize, but Canyon are famous for having big frames, be careful 😅
@@tonycaluda1868 haha yeah its XS for me with Canyon :D
It's 2023 and JC is still talking about rim brakes like they're relevant. Top tier content with high relevance as usual. 🤣
I'd like to see your opinions on the bike comparison between aero/climbing with each brand, but at a lower pricepoint, say 5-5.5k USD, as the way brands spec the components changes the way the bikes ride so significantly it may change your answer at the lower price point - for example while the new madone at the top end may be a better bike than the emonda, the base emonda SL (with Ultegra) is almost a kg lighter than the same spec Madone SL.
Thanks!
I don’t know if I’ve watched too many cycling videos but all these bikes leave me so cold now. I can’t tell them apart, most are black so change the name and I wouldn’t know.
Love your work guys.
Great chat guy's 👍 👏 👌
Finally timed the trainer session with the video, I’m onto the schedule boys
You can buy ex team bikes. I have Sam Oomens Sunweb R5 . No special sleeves, just a lot of chipped paint - may be didn't run a chain protector to save weight, but that's it.