Shop Owner's Shocking Confession On How Much Gimmicks Make Him!
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- Опубликовано: 24 апр 2023
- Gimmicks, hype, and trends can be a lucrative venture in the Bicycle world
Phu Vu from EPIC BMX ( / _epicbmx ) gives you the lowdown on how much money he makes off of these trends.
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never stop with these please. i can watch this all day
Facts very informative and gotta love him he's a great dude
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I just got back into BMX biking after my 8yo son wanted to pick up street riding, & i bought him a 2020 GT Performer Box Palm Raw Frame & I'm picking up tomorrow a Sunday EX Chris Childs Raw Frame with about $400 in upgrades, got both bikes for $480 all together, can't complain, the Sunday got Cult Hawk 22mm cranks, BSD Swerve cassette, on top of other goodies.
You have taught me SO MUCH, being 48 now, i been outta bmx 30 years at least, but got heavily into ebiking the last few years, but the more moto styled ones, so it'll be good to get out there pumping pedals again, thanks guys for helping me navigate through all the changes in the industry & being able to make some solid picks with only 2 days of watching your channel, you're also very honest, & really try to help us not get fleeced, if i didn't live in Reno, I'd buy all my parts there!
The Elite hub is a race hub, racers want instant engagement, Racers are pedaling most of the time so the extra drag when coasting isn't noticed.
Me being a fan of all things Profile, I have one on my street bike ( Z coaster on my park bike) but I did tire of the volume of the sound and the drag when coasting. The Elite hub pawl springs can be flipped , cuts the noise by half, and the drag isn't noticeable. Hub still engages perfectly.
The Mini hubs are more of a street hub.
I also bought a brand new Dyno in 85 because it was so different and most my buds had GTs already.
Regardless of all those old parts were gimmicks I still rocked them all and so did everyone around me I still like the looks of all the old stuff compared to nowadays stuff I don't care if it's stronger or not
Lol I only know one person who rocked the cardinal frame with vertical drop outs and he was an mtb dude trying to switch to bmx.
take a drink every time Phu says “some of you guys”
Cult investment cast forks are the best forks I've owned 😊
Some shop owners has less knowledge in Bmx parts, does not care about geometry of frame and stuff
This video is really knowledgable, thanks
8:19 I think the main thing people forget about Profile hubs is that they’re racing/ mountain bike hubs. That’s why they’re called Profile Racing
Eh they started out as bmx racing hubs. Back when you still had some cross over. People forget profile is an 80s bmx brand.
@@bmxriderforlife1234 what does all that mean exactly? Are they good, are they bad?
@@x88868 they're fine for like park and light general riding. Great for dirt or racing. But they aren't the God send everyone thinks.
The elites are a pure race hub or pegless hub. The minis with guards can be okay if you don't destroy hubs.
I'd say you get more for your money going elsewhere. Tree hub with ti bolts would weigh less than a mini all tied out and still have 14mm female. Custom ti center axle while expensive would get you even lighter. Some drivers for other hubs may work for a ti driver swap for the tree hubs. Or custom ti driver. Worth the money if you don't murder hubs often.
Profile does make decent stuff. But kinda outdated in some regards. Not as light but primo mix cassette hubs used to be based off profile hubs. Stronger shells. Cranks for 19mm kinda same deal for 22mm eh column cranks have no sprocket bosses. Though lifetime warranty is nice.
Sprockets. Just buy a tree sprocket unless you need a guard sprocket then find a titanium guard sprocket like the rnc.
Stems. I like S&M and shadow or wtp. Never had a slip with those stems and good bars.
You have been able to get hubs with at least above standard engagement or basically mini engagement but smoother rolling or stronger or both for time. Q lite hubs aka old wtp Supreme and shadow rant hubs among some others for example.
Current cassette hub id take. Depends entireltnon situation. Sre you trying to save weight and get a strong hub. Sre you buying ti stuff. Are you just wanting a good hub. Do you just want the cheapest titanium loaded rear hub fir weenie status. Full ti profile is the lightest for the cheapest depending. Some hubs chromo to chomo are cheaper than profile. And you can get bolts for the female fronts cheaper than profile from bolt suppliers same for rears. Custom bits depends cause profile is kinda priced high and depends on you specific area and what a machinist charges you.
For ti spindles and 22mm 48spline easiest to get profile arms. But you can use the profile spindles with some other crank arms. There's 3 different 22mm 48 spline standards. Makes spline drive annoying.
If you want light and strong. And don't mind the cost. Almost any hub by any other brand can beat a profile. They don't have the strongest shells. And custom sometimes means 14mm female if it's a male hub with conversion bits. Or just 14mm female titanium.
If you just want off the shelf and ti profile wins. If you don't want ti. Get a shadow definitive rear hub or a fly magneto or something like that.
Front doesn't matter as much but you can get stronger lighter front hubs that cone with hub guards included. Bolts are easier to get than drivers and shit.
For a coaster hub. Z coaster is kinda heavy still. Full ti to ti I can beat it by like 4 ounces. Or a quarter of a pound. Or 112g. But requires some custom ti bits. Or mods and finding old parts. But a planetary coaster.
I do love the gimmicks for the aesthetics. Thanks Alf & Phu for this.
The Profile Z-Coaster is a good hub, but my favorite is the Odyssey v2 Clutch. Freecoasters FTW.
I think we're all guilty of falling for gimmicks at least once or twice or 78 times, lol.
"Some of you guys are like, just dripping, hearing this thing are just dripping" 😂😂😂
Phu is old school like me, And you can tell how much he loves BMX. You kids better pay attention!!
My favorite gimmick was drilling holes in parts cause of how gloriously bad it was except 1 part. Macneil bars with the holes under the grip area. No more throttle grip ever, and i was always the maniac who man handled grips on forcefully the hard way so they were broken in my the time i got em on xD
I initially bought an elite for the sound. I’m on my second set though because the engagement is like nothing else I’ve had on my bike.
I bought my Shadow Conspiracy Definitive cassette due to performance, but fell in love with the sound of the hive of bee's.
What about sprocket grinds! also Jay Mirron had a bottle opener on his Schwinn signature frame.
I had the jay mirron hydramatic in White black wish I still had it!
The profile elite is the same as car enthusiasts with loud exhausts we dont know why but we love the sound
Guilty I run an elite hub on my mountain bikes. The sound is nice so people can hear you coming up on them..... But the engagement is just awesome on tech climbs
The biggest gimmick thing I own is a WeThePeople seat with a with a stack pocket on the back with a couple Allen's wrenches and a seat post with a 17mm socket on the bottom so you can grab an allen and take the seat off quick to loosen or tighten your wheel in a pinch and even though I've only needed it once and I paid way to much I still like it a lot.
Oof that Profile cassette is... 🥵
Thank you.
I absolutely love my Profile Z Coaster. ❤ I bought a color matched Profile Elite rear hub the same day and I have yet to put it on. Oh, I will, but I've been digging this Z Coaster since I got it.
i run those invest cast cult forks,ive been super impressed with them. 18mm offset with more clearance then youd ever need for grinding!
I watch every video and I enjoy watching them. I’m a huge fan! It’d be cool to meet you guys one day!
I worked at the 3rd largest skateboard online retailer (rhymes with wacktics) and we sold so many of those damn big boy pants it was insane.
Phu is the man! 🙌
wow the timings, 2 days ago I was watching old facebook pics and saw a friend's pic from like 12 years ago rocking that cardinal ambassador frame hahah.
also about the hubs, I love the sounds so first I look for nice sounding hubs and then research if it's crap or not before buying
pd: part 2 please, it was really entertaining
That frame reminded me of one of my buddies ordered a Dirt Brothers frame back in the day and once he got it one drop out was welded normal one upside down lmao 🤣
Guard sprocket has a clean look in my opinion
I still want clear pedals 🤣🤣
i think i saw the cardinal horizontal dropout right before i went on a bmx hiatus. the concept was noble but shortsighted. hoder's "solution" of breaking 2 teeth off of his sprocket so that he can remove the backwheel w/o breaking his chain is kinda genius though.
on the bottle opener concept, i've seen them on seat stay bridges, bb shells (i think) and head tubes.
on the sprocket guard, based on my riding, as i'm also considering, the guard might work better on the inside part of the frame for crooks and pedal/crank arm grinds. but it will need a lot of spacers and a misaligned chain line to clear a short chain stay for it to work.
i'm all in for all the gimmicks as some do work and eventually become a standard, and others just eventually get forgotten.
back then, a lot of weight savings with holes and cutouts and twisted butted tubings were done by eastern which caused their downfall. i also remember knurled bars on the grip area by premium or holes on the bar from another brand to prevent throttle grip. these ones aren't available anymore which might mean it didn't really work.
notable DIY "gimmicks" now are BB guards (BB Buddy and 3d printed ones) and i saw a plate that screws on your non drive side crank to protect the cranks on grinds. personally, i tried the BB buddy but now have opted for a PVC hot glued on my BB and it work really great.
Lol as someone working on a brand.
You're factually correct. Guard sprockets work best with the guard on the inside for most instances unless you only care about protecting the sprocket itself from bends with reinforcement. For chain protection run reverse works best.
Why I'm doing a dual guard if I can get my brand going. 5 piece system but modular. Plain sprocket dual bolt on metal guards and plastic add on sections. If you care about bend protection ultimate solution. If you care about chain protection inside guard. If you care about sliding performance add the plastic bits. Don't like any of it run it plain Jane.
Oh throttle bars was macneil bikes. It worked but the brand slowly went under with other bad decisions and the death of its distribution business and Jay miron selling it off.
I might add like 1 or 2 anti rotation holes. It can weaken things but there are ways to reinforce them. They also technically don't even have to go all the way through the material but could be little indented sections via forming techniques.
Downside is you can't use a compressor to put on grips. You have to do the zip tie trick or man handle them on. But they won't move. If you run the absolute thinnest grips and stretch em they end up ripping on the holes sometimes.
I'm surprised vu didn't pop out the v2 odyssey director fork he has there
keep on going..... blings vs functionality in-demand...
Good stuff! 👍
amazing info!! i never thought about that kinda stuff for bash guards. max's stem is a really smart idea. phu is smart:)
Just like a baby bottle, only works when you put milk in it. The world is made of Gimmicks. 🤘
I have that seat and it works fine as a bottle opener.
Since I cant get a Profile hub the Colony Wasp was the best thing and yes I bought it for the clicky sound, but end up using my freecoaster wheelset the most.
Who’s sick ass Sunday Bike tho that ones 🔥🔥🔥
Reef and they are the bomb 😊
On the profile hub, friction is a coefficient of force. If a surface has 3 times area of another but is applied with a significantly reduced force (spring load in this case) the actual drag is less. Physics is confusing ... even engineers fuxxor it all the time.
I want that sprocket guard 😅
Hey the haro 1995 sport was made for febbles. Full chain guard protection. Wish i could post a photo for you guys.💪
When I got my first Dyno Compe I traded forks with a buddy that had a Haro
Dude this guy is soooo funny I wish I worked for him LOL
Good example. Oakley B 1 B grips. Totally awesome....for a week !
Use large washers to avoid hanging up the drop out on that frame .
You better make a few prototypes, don't show any pictures. I see potential.
Facts Be Facts
If I could buy a hub with drivers on both sides that were timed to fill in the openings between each click I would run the hell outta that
Crazy my son (and many fast kids) would win races regularly with ACS and other $20 freewheel regular hub wheels against all the kids on their profile elite hub wheelsets !!!
Nice
Hella good
Hey Phu, do you have some frames that are the same model but different sizes like 20, 20.5,20.75,21..... can you show them side by side. It's a 1 inch difference but why are some riders so picky with it?
Is that Cult Max Stem any good? Im thinking of getting it
Hey guys I really want a max vu stem , can he do some with gyro tabs ? 🙏🏻😊
Bashers are the go at that stage.
What frame is that
I'm guilty of buying an elite for the sound......
Pro rasslin' levels of gimmicks
You need to get a hold of Vince.
Bigger hub with less big ball bearings or smaller hub with more small ball bearings
You keep calling all the parts gimmicks but honestly I rode hard when I was a kid never broke any of those parts
Elementary stem?
Hey alf, a friend of mine is building an oldschool bmx. He need parts. Crank, saddle and tyres. How can he buy from epic? I often see some NOS parts featured there. We are here in the middle east. Thanks.
Those dyno forks are dope. Bikes today all look exactly alike and have zero style. I’ve never seen a bike built after 1996 that I’d want to buy.
Laid back seat posts, maybe a gimmick but they sure looked cool!
They were needed, frames had 18-19 inch top tubes.. Except the Rl20ii, the seat tube angle is so laid back that a straight post was fine.
Drainpipe, worst Odyssey product ever. Must have been made out of electrical conduit. Looked awesome until it bent tho. Or maybe Dan's sold me a fake one.
@@realDonaldTrump420 cw snake post was much better
@Mike Hagen the rl was big for a freestyle bike 20.5 tt
The cast I would describe as R&D rather than a gimmick, it's progressive... whats the point in pocket money if ya cannot go waste it? If I didn't waste coin on my d&d books it was on the BMX when I was younger... I'm a genX and it's RPG's/ BMX/ and Video games till I D. I. E.
i thought the sprocket guard was for doing sprocket chunks
can we see Phu's personal collection?
Bent forks is not a gimmic when it gets you swag?
Wish they would let us pop up a photo. Oh well
Love oldskool buddie I own a 1984 raleigh flatland freestyle or it could be a 1986 raleigh max ultra it also has araya 20" wheels the spokes need to be replaced have photos if anyone wants to buy it of me I'm trying to get some funding to put into my ford falcon xr6 tickford enhanced but if you could give a price on how much spokes cost to replace I can get back to working on this bike as its been a slow progress, any advice will be helpful thank you😊
technically everything in BMX is a gimmick because the definition of gimmick is, something to draw attention. Who doesn't make parts/ bikes to draw attention? Come on Phu
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They are not gimmicks if they are reliably functional!
I want an instant engagement hub, but the fact that they sound like weed eaters has kept me from even considering it.
That's nothing. you wanna hear about gimmicks, in the world of MTB, they've got rear shocks, remotely moving seat posts, space-age frame materials and electronic gears and they sell for 10's of thousands of dollars!
Dat dirty taste... Not me 😂
DirrTae
I see u just selling whats available. Just like stores sell bud light or used to lmao.
Every time I see someone drinking bud light, I always assume they have some secrets.
#pegless
Do you even BMX bro?
The whole cult company is became a gimmick imo. They will sell anything with the name on it to make a buck just because I know some kid is going to ask his parents for the money to buy it.
"some kid is going to ask his parents...." So, damn true.
that is one ugly bike
Phu > Poser..... I mean Alf.