Don't do this in the sprint
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2020
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*crashes 20m in front of the finish for state championship*
Random bystander: "You're good man."
not because the one on the left was already ahead
A couple of aspirin, some water, and a fresh pair of socks and you'll be good to go!
@@leeoien8512 A couple of aspirin,some water,and a fresh pair of socks,Oh.......a new carbon frame and you'll be good to go!
yeah i would want to yell obscenities at that bystander
My cousin banged my new car's door into a wall, and said "you're alright" and I said no I'm not you've f*8ked by door.
I love how we cyclists think right after the crash, "Is my bike okey?" and then after inspecting the bike, "Am I okey?".. 5 mins after
Skin grows back. Carbon doesn’t.
@@elijahkwon422 hahahaha
I remember picking up the bike, seeing it was OK other than a scratch on the fork, and being relieved. Then I passed out, having ruptured my spleen and fractured my hip.
Mark of a true cyclist
adrenalin does that effect, same thoughts in a car accident for example
This makes me really angry how a crash like this would ever happen, just the situation pisses me off
@Brainjock these kinds of accidents - when it's clear - should be punished with fines, because they too often say "race incident", will make riders think twice in the future; every rider has a handlebar to steer and two levers to brake !
Me too. My hard crash was a guy who tried to pass everyone in the loose gravel in the shoulder. He got sideways and shot out in front of me. If there is video proof of idiotic racers, they should get penalized. Maybe a 2 race suspension or by working at a race for USA Cycling.
Watch chess championship then
@@KeithFlint350 get good and look where you are going mate
“Who was that?!” Man.. I felt that. So relatable :/ .
Brainjock no. But he‘ll be in „the notebook“
@Brainjock You beat the ever loving dog sauce out of them, carry a bat
Man! I thought I have a scratch or a hair on my monitor but no, it was just your avatar. Buah :P
I am wondering if he whooped the other cyclist's ass after that.
Yoooo I started blowing at my screen thinking your profile pic was a small hair 😂😂😂
A few meters further down and he probably would have won the sprint even sliding on the tarmac.
no the left
@@oozarusama Yeah, second at best
noob question, is it legal to win like that?
@@TheAgiluzjm09 well it depends if the rider will be disqualified or not, sometimes they are, sometimes they arent
farther not further
this one annoys me as well. I was volunteering at a crossing point at a CX race in portland. The guy watching the opposite side was a very well known and successful racer in the Portland scene, and he was yelling "head down head down" at Juniors, as they were sprinting to the finish.
Granted it's CX, they were more spread out and a bit less likely to run into each other at least. But it's still communicating exactly the wrong message, and to junior racers of all things.
Garbage coach
you should have also shouted "head up head up" to counter him........ just kidding..
That was criminal, he knew the guy was there and went for him giving him a hit. He can't argue he didn't see him. The dude should be disqualified and sanctioned because if you allow that, why don't you allow everybody to punch each other, so the last man standing win.
It;s tough with sprints because deviations aren't always intentional and happen often
I don't think you know what you're talking about
Do people like that have to cover costs?
Thats why the vlogger explained that in sprints like those, cyclist should grasp on the drop bars not on the hood of the sti shifter/brakelever so that if you take a bump, your arms are covering your handlebars and there is a chance that you regain control after that unintentional hit. Furthermore, procyclist train amongst their team mates with bump drills from the side.
@@juluisreyes9094 true, but victim blaming doesn’t absolve the idiot pedalling head down without giving af!
Bystander: You're good man
Rider: no, i'm not good
Bystander: why?
Rider: my bike got hurt
My home town and team DOGFISH! This crit is so hard, it always 100 degrees and there is a big climb on the track. Thanks for doing these great to see my fellow local beasts ☝️
Dogfish 😎
hey jeff, thank u for the advices. wounds heal, but looking and waiting for shipping for my replacement shimano right lever after a crash is so tedious and painful. it is more sore than a road rash
Ah, but there was someone on the hoods in your footage at 4:16. :) But I completely agree with you! Drops give lower center of gravity, more control. Elbows and shoulders become like shields.
That dude's legs could spin kick someone's head right off their shoulders
I've not been out riding like I used too. Just happened to watch this and this is very sound advice.
Fully agree on the recommandations.
Racing with hands on the drops saved me many times : when someone gets in contact, or when you're in the middle or the peloton and get on a bump, especialy when drinking
the dude with his head down knew exactly what he was doing, he literally was behind him then bolted towards the end and swerved towards him. ESP at the finish line. its obvious
his dad is a usa cycling official too
That was the first thing I noticed, sprinting on the tops. Drops are not always more aero, but they give you more control and more leverage, which makes you sprint faster!
It feels twitchy when sprinting on the tops
I can sprint on the hoods in a seated position, never out of the saddle. When I'm seated on the hoods my legs feel way more powerful so it's what I do when I'm taking a longer sprint which you can't do out of the saddle. When it's a short one just go drops and out of the saddle with your head up
I see the replies and I'm curious. I do a lot of ascents and often ride with other competitive riders. On many of these climbs I'm basically "sprinting." Out of the saddle, head down, driving hard, but on the hoods. I'm 6'-2" and ride a bike with a racing frame (very little rake) and it's never felt "twitchy" or out of control, and occasionally I do get bumped. That said, I'm not sure what you ya'll are talking about.
Guess I'll have to try the drops and see what the difference is.
@@mark-1234 When you are climbing, you are going slower and your transient movements are more gradual and more controlled, unlike sprinting. Riding on the tops when climbing is preferred because you place less stress on your body as you are tilted backward; riding position when climbing depends on your speed and climbing distance as you also have to consider fatigue due to the aforementioned stress on your body. That said, for short, fast climbs, the drops position is ideal if you are out of the saddle, as you get more leverage and control; conversely, for long, slow climbs, the tops position is ideal for lower fatigue and comfort.
Man, for a beginner the drops are anything but control :)
Thanks for doing these videos! I’m a junior and mostly race MTB and cyclocross and want to do my first crit this year but kind of don’t want to cause a crash because I don’t know what I’m doing
If you race MTB and Cross you’ll be a better bike handler than 99.9% of the field.
just do it!
Crits are a blast. Stay in the first 10-15 places the whole race and you should be safe. The front is faster, smoother and safer (true in all categories, but especially in the Cat 5 ranks). Also, the bump drills mentioned at the end of this video are super helpful. Get comfortable with contact. It shouldn’t happen much but how you react when it does is huge. Have fun!
thought he sprinted and blacked out...
Lmao
I never knew the crash protection benefit from the drops. Thanks so much for the knowledge. Great content! 🤙
Ditto, truly great davice
Good advice. Even on group rides I'm in the drops if I'm within a bike length or alongside riders I don't know. Got so accustomed to it now I usually stay in the drops while standing to climb. Surprising how natural it feels, once the bike fit is right.
Thank you! Textbook skill lesson.
You never see Cavendish looking down in a sprint. And you never see him sprinting on the hoods.
Also, I don’t know anyone who works on those drills you mentioned, but they should!
4:35 holyy what a huge legs! nice
Such legs deserves a nice bike :)
Apparently you need to spend a lot of time riding out of the saddle and on the hood to build legs like that.
@@mamilx6607 Thank you mate for nice tip :)
You forgot to say nohomo
You are gay now.
maly hejterek those are some nice legs.
my friend has legs like that but she’s been cycling and spinning for over 20 years.
Ouch. Brings back painful memories from my racing days.
Happened to me caused by some idiot, wide road just like the video. Tried to move away twice but he still cuts in from the side, finally he lean too much and fell on my rear tyre. Tried to stay up but finally fell to. Crack my Chainstay, broke my new Profile Design carbon rim, My helmet, A deep cut on my new Toupe S Work seat. Damage my shoes beyond repair and he blame it on the other rider making up stories that he got pin. When I look at the video footage....the road was clear and wide. Only then I realized that he did that on purpose to prevent me from overtaking his team mate just one bike length ahead.
Same, first or second race, yards from the finish, guy cut my wheel. Old school steel bike, no damage. Road rash along one entire side. Went back two weeks later. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@daisyseptimus561 yo, sound like this is a shitty sport
Great footage and thanks for the commentary always awesome tips 👍. Coming from a football and basketball background I definitely know the importance of taking contact while still getting the job done!
great points, I completely agree with the drills. I did a lot of crits and velodrome racing up to Cat 1-2 and the velodrome teaches you to ride stable even when people are pushing you by making your "box" which is that box that you make with your elbows, body and the bars. Like a roll cage that can take the bump of a hip or another elbow. I'm dating my 1990s racing, but Davis Phinney and Connie Carpenter wrote a book with some great tips for finding your maximum lean angle in turns and for learning to safely bump in packs; I'm sure there are modern books covering this topic too. There's also a drill where you learn to bump your front wheel of another by turning into the other guy, and not the natural reaction of turning away, you sort of bounce yourself off to stay upright if you do touch a crossed wheel with your front. keep the great videos coming.
Great Inspection of footage and Phenomenal assessment to inform us of 'what to' and 'not to do'!!! Thx so much!!! 🕊
I truly believe that a season at a velodrome would be good for a lot of racers. In my experience, at the velodrome you are constantly being watched. Any bad behavior gets noticed right away and dealt with. You learn to sprint in a straight line while completely cross eyed as you get to practice that many times per event. Think points race. Officials on the finish straight are looking for any one deviating from their line during a sprint and will relegate your for excessive sideways movements. Lastly, ride the rollers. It does wonders for your handling. Ever since I started to ride them I’ve handled hip and elbow bumping much better. Not saying doing drills is bad but you can’t always find a buddy or teammate to do such drills. Rolled you can ride more frequently. Heck warmup on them before a workout or race and then cool down on them right after.
New to cycling great advice here im using hoods but getting used to drops
Great content as always, thank you. Watching all the ads 😉
Tough guy resilient and concern about his bike before him. RESPECT! The guy causes this should not allow to race in that area for 1 yr.
This is awesome content and breakdown!!!
Ah, I've been accidentally protecting myself by mostly using the drops. Honestly , I just do that do it's easier to brake.
The fact you left us hanging without pictures of the bike is criminal man! Really good video, I didn't even notice he was on the hoods until you mentioned it, I don't even think I could do my full sprint on the hoods, it just doesn't feel natural.
Ya I wish I had pics too, I used all the media I was given
The bike relatively had no scratches and yeah Jeff used everything I gave him
I see that Scott Moninger was in that group. Would be great to hit him up and get his perspective.
@Candy Cheer N Dance moninger has more experience and reads a race better than the P12 field combined
Such a good content! Tks for sharing!
Kudos to the rider for sharing this video. And even bigger kudos to you for great commentary 👏🤙
What's happening over there in Missouri? P12 and dudes sprinting from hoods and dudes with their heads down? Glad our man is ok.
Bro your channel oh man liked and subscribed 💯 man keep posting this stuff that shouldnt be mentioned anything to help bro! Appreciated 👌the drops man im takin that shit to the street tomorrow defo going to cycle with more confidence
Wow, Pro, 1, 2 fields aren't what they used to be! That's some Cat 5 riding right there. I hope the responsible rider forfeited his second place, was DQ'd and downgraded to 5 for being so completely inept.
Thanks for your efforts
Thanks for the insights!
great advice on practise on the drops we all tend to let the hands creep up a little,
Your channel is really cool!
Ah I feel bad for the guy that took the fall. Good effort bro!
I hate it when your electrolytes run out just before you cross the finish line.
He bonked hard.
I consume bulk salt
Gotta carb up - Durianrider
dont forget to drink gatorade
the first thing i asked when i had a crash was "where's my bike?" .. then, "where's my garmin?" lol !!
Same, I was more worried about my bike in the first place
Thanks for the useful info
Back in the day, one joined a club and learned bike racing skills. Bumping drills, touching wheels etc. Boring stuff but kept you off the pavement.
This channel is so fucking good. You've single-handedly convinced me to start competing for the first time at the ripe old age of 31.
yeah man same, want to get into racing ! I been riding bike for ages...
Good tips man thanks!
He took the term “put your head down” too literally
On the track I see people warming up on the tops, I tell them to get into the drops, warm up low and get your muscles used to it when it's easy.
When you're just soft pedalling or warming up ise that time to accustom your muscles to the low aero position.
Hey. I've come kind of randomly on this video , then I started watching another video and another... Very very interesting channel. Next time on tour de France 😃
Hey NorCal i love your videos! I bet you get this a lot but could you explain a little bit how you find and get into cycling races. I really want to take my casual cycling to the next level when this quarantine is over. Thank you so much and stay safe!
Great job teaching people how to avoid stuff like this, thanks.
i love that the car is a saab with a thule cycelholder and its in america
That is the local bike shop's pace car. It has been a fixture in STL crit racing for years.
Very good work, thanks!
A buddy of mine does good with his head up to the finish line and then he drops it. He finished a race in second, drops his head, and smacks into the winner. Ouch! I saw him do this same thing in a CX race, but without running into anyone.
I think he says “no I’m not, that’s not my bike. I’m not good” doesn’t he? 🤔 either way, hope he’s alright.
Reed Askey yeah he was borrowing the bike. Apparently he gave it back all dirty and messed up. Dude didn’t even clean it 😐
Yo thanks for the advice for stay on the drops while sprinting
That’s why I have always liked and been good at climbing, TT, and long breakaways.
Loved the video, thank you
Yes practice bump drills, and I would make the statement to “protect your bike” when riding gets close.
My trainings used to randomly suprise during training by giving me a should or elebow push and its the best thing they probs ever did. I learned a lot from those times, at first I was scared, but after a few times or almlst 6 months, I could actually push them away
I've been doing it wrong. That stops today. Thank you!
I actually didnt know the drops gave you more stability. Goot to know
Having crashed two days ago from a situation identical to this, 1. OUCH, dude that fall is gonna hurt! and 2. Yup, gotta hold your bars responsibly.
This channel is so tight
Clear contact, in this case, who's paying for the damage?
Great video pal
Can you do a video explain bump drills a bit more please 😊
Just lean into each other, shoulder to shoulder, elbow to elbow. Dont crash.
Did someone at least let the guy know he was an ass for doing that? If he doesn't get told, he may not actually know.
He knocked a guy off his bike that would have won the race.... I think any human with a shred of empathy would know he is an ass for doing that. That's just projecting how I feel though, the guy probably didn't even say sorry, hah.
@@kw4704 i don't think he would've won because the guy on his left overtook him before he crashed anyways
@@aneeshprasobhan I'd rather lose than crash.... but he lost AND crashed.
@@kw4704 oof, yeah.
This happened to me in a fixed gear crit, really annoying
True, except for "50 metres from being the state champion".
The other guy on the left (actually most likely the same whose draft this guy was earlier using at "60%" effort) was already passing him.
So I guess its rather 50 metres from finishing 2nd at the race.
You don't have to be faster than the leader, you just have to make him crash.
New to this racing world. Can the fallen rider contest the contact with the video footage? Or are there no rules governing contact during the sprint?
he can and he probably should have. rules say you have to maintain a straight line in the sprint.
There was a review of this at the race. Initially the rider who made contact was Dq'd but after more video was viewed it showed that the fallen rider moved.
@@illinihand .. lmao . he maybe moved a few inches but the other rider moved a few positions sideways
@@cannon1156 "review", sounds a bit like the rider who caused the crash is won the grade A asshole too for not accept he caused that crash.
MrBJPitt you weren’t there dude. You don’t know how the decision went down. Don’t call people assholes when you have no idea who they are or what they are like
love the slowmo.
Great Comments! and Practices... ✅ Yes The Bike... Skin Will Grow Back
I love this channel!!!
#droplife
First thing I thought was why is he on the hoods?! You could see his thumb in the go pro footage
I think in this instance it's less the bar contact and more the riders caught his elbow which is sticking out, it's almost should into elbow. That hook is easy to throw someone to the ground with.
even the first few seconds of the video stress me out, knowing theres a crash coming
The other factor is he is dropping anchor in a big way at 50m to go (based on the speed rating). That type of speed change and disparity will cause crashes.
If your sponsor(s) isn't providing you with your bike, then your screwed in a high speed crash when your carbon bike breaks
Great tip.
Broke both arms in cycling crash in France , motorists asked me if needed anbulance, looked at my bike thinking both of us won't fit in,rode 8 miles terrible pain..lol 😆
very helpful video... thanks
i dont know but when i watch this my old wounds, i feel them lol
That’s Scott Moninger in the orange and Black doing the leadout
Is it? Same guy who rode for Coors Light?
@@CyberNancy yessir, that's him. He races for a bike shop team out of St. Louis these days. I got to race with him at Gateway
First run thru vid i thought jeff was gonna pop the subject for sprinting on hoods. See enuff of hands in shot to confirm. -U10
missin those alviso races
Same here, coming back soon I hope
ONE OTHER THING. ALL ENERGY SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO PROPEL THE BIKE FORWARD. EVERYTHING SHOULD BEQUIET EXCEPT THE LEGS. FLIPPING THE BIKE FROM SIDE TO SIDE MAY FEEL GOOD BUT IT IS A WASTE OF ENERGY/ THE SHORTESTT DISTANCE IS A STRAIGHT LINE. DRIFTING TO THE SIDE MAY COST YOU THOSE FEW MILLUIMETERS YOU NEEDED TO WIN. BUT THE THEN WHAT DO I KNOW.
A position on the hoods with the elbows tucked in is actually faster than the drops!
Although for sprinting those marginal gains dont outweigh the benefits in stability
Good advice
Damn. Dude that bit it is jacked
drops are less aero than hoods if you have your elbow at 90° on the hoods. But obviously, the drops are much safer....
So... In general is there a "retaliatory" code for this - upon those that wreck you, your bike, and your ego?
To my knowledge the rider can dispute the result and the rider who caused the crash can be DQ'ed/relegated, but when you sign up for the races you sign the line that says you hold no one accountable for damages etc, so damage to the clothing/bike/you are all on you.
I would've thought the guy should've been disqualifed and the guy should've been given the 2nd or 3rd place.
He’s the faveorite in the area. Race director sent the last video in this clip to Dave Towle and he even said his head was down he should be DQ’d, the official that I was speaking to about protesting told me the final call stands. Bystander took me bike off the course so I could not finish either.
@@hughgill8005 I thought that was you. What a small world, again!! Hope you come out alright.
Hugh Gill dude you literally don’t know how to corner, you sprint in your hoods and crashed 6 times in one weekend maybe everyone thought that it was just another screw up
Its hard to tell! , man swerved into em even if it aint on purpose, disqualify that guy!
This one hurt
”Abdou” style head down sprinting.