MTA moves ahead on platform doors in three subway stations
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2023
- The MTA is moving ahead with construction on a new pilot program that is aimed to install sliding doors on platforms inside three subway stations. N.J. Burkett reports from Times Square.
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The doors are needed , but you also have to deal with the mentally ill homeless issue as well
Agree
And cleaning/repairing the stations
People need to be realistic about dealing with the mentally ill homeless. Many of them need to be forcibly committed to mental institutions against their will, possibly for the remainder of their lives. The current situation can't be allowed to continue.
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
The fact that it's projected to cost $10mm per station is insane. What's worse is that if they ever do decide to do this system-wide, it will take decades and cost billions, somehow.
It will eventually save money though. It’s not just about safety, but lower operating costs… No more track cleaning, less rats, and 1 operator train crews, with the potential for FULL train automation
@@lukethompson5558 In the US PSDs are pretty mutch only seen on cable shuttles and monorails that's are fully automatic
A better way to invest that money is to stop fare evasion. If you stop fare evasion, you mitigate crime in the subway. It's that simple! I strongly doubt that these homeless people who are shoving people onto the tracks are paying $2.90 to get into the subway system.
@@lukethompson5558 I mean yeah, that's all good. But still don't understand why the initial investment has to be this high. I swear, give me some power tools and I'll get it done for half that price!
Since NYC subway doesn't have vents in their tunnel, if they install a screen door right away without building them, it'll basically make the tunnel full of dust & unusable. The price of that is included in the budget.
The door itself is pretty expensive also. In South Korea, where ALL stations have screen doors, it costed around $6M per station when they installed it. And this is like 20 years ago, so the prices are way different now.
Thank god!! I travelled to South Korea a few years ago and was surprised at how convenient the doors were. Thanks to them the stations are able to be kept air-conditioned without air escaping, you don;t have to worry about falling onto the train, and best of all you know exactly where the train will stop and make an organized line to get in and let people out. I think the only issue that will be for NYC is that no doubt they will be a hotspot for graffiti which hopefully can easily and swiftly be taken out.
They actually SAVE money in the long run because no more track cleaning, and only need 1 train operator employee per train, and it paves the way for FULL automation of trains. The unions will fight it tooth and nail though, which is unfortunate. We’re literally KILLING people to give more people cushy and unnecessary jobs
We must follow Asia’s example cause they are the future
yess singaproe which is in asia has had them since the 1980s when their system first opened@@kevinmorris3200
@@kevinmorris3200yeah they pretty much got their inspiration from the APMs here in the US. The Dc metro formed the model for what most modern Asian subway systems built. But also we need to keep in mind that what works for them wouldnt necessarily work for us. Public transit is a bigger priority for them as they still have lower incomes due to a higher population and plus they are also more densified. We should definitely take inspiration but should make sure we adapt to fit our own needs.
There is hardly any crime in Korea compared to NYC.
The problem in the United States is decision makers for funding don't give a dang about any aspects of public transit. I'd be really surprise that such platform screen doors will ever exist in the New York subway system since so many politicians and a vast majority of "native-born" Americans are so reluctant to spend any more public money into any public transportation projects. It's sad but true.
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
All subway or MRT stations in Singapore have barriers and auto doors to prevent dropping onto the tracks after only 1 injury of a girl losing both her legs after accidentally falling in.
it’s great that when the doors malfunction the train will go in speed restricted mode for safety
I can't believe it...New York doing something new that doesn't involve a cheap can of paint.
I'm just as shocked! You know they consider a second coat of paint a renovation while they raise fare to cover the cost of "improvements"
major transit hubs like time square, 34th st's penn and herald square, union square, canal st (N,Q,R,W,J,Z,6), fulton st, columbus circle, barclay's center, they need it badly
Yes. And I'll add those moving platform sections at Union Square are freaking terrifying.
These cost figures are symptomatic of the USA's infrastructure bureaucratic system. Other countries can complete massive infrastructure projects and breakneck speeds and lower costs. We need to find a way to allow infrastructure innovation in the USA.
We outsource a lot of work to contractors and consultants, that needs to stop as those money grabbers are only profit motivated and don’t care about the final service. Our transit agencies should start moving or acquiring recourses to build stuff in house. It’s easily doable. It’s a matter of policy. I think some agencies are starting to do that but we need to speed that up.
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
NYC Always 20 years late
Why do you think this is important
LA is more like 30 years late so.
infrastructure in the US is a century late… I think US stopped progressing after world war 1 🤣
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
@@jwill9237 holy shit because its almost like homeless people being able to shove people into the path of a moving train is a problem
This should have happened years ago.
If they got the funding...
@@imrytebeehyneu Hope it happens.
Should have happen decades ago.
@@pikachu8508 🙏🏻
Yeah, inexcusable.
Basic safety, esp after subway assaults have been on the rise the last 10 years.
Bingo! I was right that they were going to put them in the busiest parts of the subway system. Meanwhile all the stations that have needed massive upgrades for decades won't get them anytime soon. Just like there are stations that need upgrades for elevators. Especially those stations that have trains that run above ground. Getting back to the doors, never thought I would live to see this implemented.
It’s was about time
In other countries these doors are placed to prevent suicides; in New York, to prevent people getting shoved onto the tracks. I don't know which is worse.
Why are construction costs in NYC so inflated? $6-7 billion for just platform screen doors at 128 stations? That's like $50 million per station...
This is great but considering that it only can work on the number lines and platforms that have enough space. For now, this won't work on the letter lines like the A, B, C etc. because there are now 2 different kinds of train that are running, and the doors are in a different location when they stop.
That's an Easy Solve,
Add More Doors, and Have them All Open at the Same time. When the Train Doors Open.
@mccoy1303 Returned that wouldn't be feasible because the r46 subway cars for instance that run on the A and C lines will eventually be taken out of service once the r211s come in which have wider doors than the r46 and r179s. Adding more doors that wouldn't even be used won't solve the problem.
Also what about above ground stations. They can't handle platform doors in the station
Above platform needs structural to support the door… nothing is impossible if you have the right budget and structural engineer and architect can do the magic
@@Atrail_Mckinley4786 As far as the R or other letter trains, I think the easy(ish) solve is for the doors to completely open where it is more of an open wall with beams than actual doors once open. The trains themselves would be the doors.
Or perhaps at some stations down the road it could be something that rises out of the floor.
They should've had those over 40 years ago
A better way to invest that money is to stop fare evasion. If you stop fare evasion, you mitigate crime in the subway. It's that simple! I strongly doubt that these homeless people who are shoving people onto the tracks are paying $2.90 to get into the subway system.
The fare will be..$10.00 for safety
this is just for a show. Every day I see trains that 40-60 years old.... while MTA are claiming they are getting new trains for years.... the whole system is broken, I doubt they could fix it. A lot of bureaucracy and EXPENSIVE union workers!
Stiffer punishment would prevent these cowardly acts
Mentally ill and/or demonic people don't care about laws and punishment.
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
That is Great!!!! But we all know who's going to pay for that metrocards will go up sky high!!!
the last 2 people that were pushed were pushed where they will never put these barriers
It's a start
lol why do they got to say 'homeless man', i mean why bring up that fact in crimes? Does being homeless
make a difference or perpetuate an individual to committing crimes. RIDDLE ME DIZZ!
Never would of had to do this if the stupid incompetence politicians just did their freaken jobs!
These doors should be in every subway station!!
It’s almost as if you could do multiple things to solve the issue at the same time?! Slowly build up the barriers station by station while ALSO removing the mentally ill, homeless, and fare evaders at the same time…
How do you remove mentally ill people from the subway? The only thing that can be enforced somewhat is fare evaders. You cannot remove homeless from the subway just because they are homeless. You can wake ppl up on out of service trains, that's it.
@@filmgirlLisa the majority of homeless are fare evaders = they can be removed. The subway is not housing, it is for transportation. I am specifically talking about the homeless using the subway stations as shelters, a majority of which are mentally ill.
@@J21822 Yeah that's my point. You can get someone because they evaded the fare (at the time they do it bc there's no way to prove it otherwise), you can remove someone from an out of service train, but that's it. Unless there is direct danger situation, you cannot suspect and remove someone on the suspicion of being either homeless or mentally ill because neither of those things are crimes.
@@filmgirlLisa I think you’re misunderstanding my point. I’m not saying physically removing them. I mean in general, all together. Solving the homeless and mentally ill epidemic currently underground while ALSO putting up station barriers.
ah. I got you. Yeah we agree.
If they wanna raise fare prices for this, this is understandable
Noooooo
Lol not for only 27% of the system, I’d buy a bike 😂
Bigger question is will they bring it to Brooklyn and the X or just worry about Manhattan only like they always do… on a side note the GW itself generates over 5 million a year that’s just 1 bridge of many that charge for tolls. mta has the money but don’t wanna spend it to keep they pockets fat…
MTA operates at a loss, and the bridges are owned by Port Authority, not MTA. But ideally, yes this should be system-wide. However, Manhattan does have the most traffic, so it kinda makes sense to start where you get the most passengers.
Look how many people they let die before implementing this .... When they have money to do the entire Network .... Terrible.
The "Please stand away from the platform edge" will be a thing if the pass...
MTA needs a lot more handicap and disable access to trains ! It's a shameful !
Took way too long for them to come up with handrails
That quote is way too high. Just put handrails. We don't need glass walls.
Doesn’t need to be at every station, just the most crowded ones like 34th, Union Square, grand central, ETC. it’s not all or nothing Geezus.
it should be half sized gates instead of doors
What a subway station in NYC the old removed to go thigh the old subway chart if things.
이야... 뉴욕 지하철이 오래 되고 여러 열차가 섞여 있어 구조적 문제를 가지고 있다고 하지만 설치비용 진짜 정말 엄청나네. 진짜 장난 아니다... Installing at 128 stations costs 6.5 to 7 billion dollars? In South Korea, the cost of installing platform screen doors at one existing stations not even reach 4 million dollars at its most expensive. I believe it typically fluctuates between 1 to 4 million dollars. Even if we go by the most expensive estimate of 4 million dollars, it's only 512 million dollars. Of course, even if we roughly calculate the average, the cost for 128 stations is around 300 million dollars. beyond the factors of labor and material cost increases, there may be differences in the costs incurred for similar installations across various environments or regions. However, this is the United States we are talking about. It's disheartening to see that with all its advanced technology, there seems to be something that's not quite right.
Nowadays Latin America is more modern than United States. All infraestructure in United States looks so old
Anything is better than nothing
Should have been done 20 years ago
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
I have a hard time understanding why the MTA took such a long time to recognize the need for platform screen doors. Paris and New York share the same points, close stations, well-stocked stations. The RER is the equivalent of the express metro. But Paris has installed screen doors, with the aim of preventing intrusions on the tracks, safety, but not only... There is also the optimization of the stopping and starting speed in stations, or even metro automation (without drivers) Without drivers, if everyone agrees on this last point, between efficiency at peak hours, compared to unemployment, or changing jobs, it's a debate! This debate was posed in Paris for the full automation of lines 1 then 4, old with stations unsuitable for platform doors, and yet... here is the result. I think that for New York, the best solution would be to do as on line 13 in Paris, platform doors, but metros with drivers. Paris is considering platform curtains for trains, RER, etc., including bay windows or stretched nets that rise when the train is there, they adapt to platforms where different types of trains pass, without the same configuration doors (there are some in Japan and South Korea).
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
only in predominant neighborhoods
Wow, would you look at that. Our infrastructure is finally advancing to the 21st century
A lot more cost effective to instead enforce the laws, but it seems that isn't a option in NYC today.
Like SFO international airport train
$20 tolls…the MTA can afford it
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Only took them years to think of this
Yes yes make it happen MTA!!
Why took you so long??? Also... only 3??
Corruption… US is 100yrs behind and they stopped progreasing after WWW1 ✌️🤣
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
Japan already has these.
The rest of the world has had these for forty years. They are even in other transit systems in the US. No problems paying for them either. NYC is at least forty years behind the times and is the victim of unsurpassed corruption in the MTA.
The platforms are far too narrow in stations,platform screen doors would help, the noise of the trains is too loud and preventable. Waterproofing tunnels and modern point system and track replacement will help provide a better railway, unfortunately mta is losing customers it is perceived it’s a crime paradise which scares away riders. A modernisation of the stations is needed and photo recognition software on cctv cameras would help deter crime.✌️❤️🇬🇧
What does it mean, moving ahead? I thought the plan was final. Politicians always say, "this isn't the solution" about anything, and everything. Enjoy doing nothing then.
They have yet to install anything
They have those doors in Tel Aviv in Israel . These will help keep people safe. What took so long?
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
Too late on this project bruh
It's about time.
US already has some platform doors but pretty much only for airport trams
Aw man.. that’s great but railfanning would be ruined.
I know this clip is seven months old. Have you seen the recent trial barriers MTA has installed? It’s a joke
This should be a requirement for every transit agency in the world.
only country that does that is South Korea
It should be a requirement in every country.
Smfh it’s sad they even have to do this tho..all because of people not knowing how to keep they hands to they self..or because ppl wanna kill they self by jumping on to the track..other states don’t have these problems.
Once the congestion pricing happens and the fare goes up (ITS DEFINITELY GOING TO GO UP), the money will be available for this to be installed at every station. To me I think it's a waste of money. Installing it is one thing, but what about maintaining it and these are not going to be installed at every station. It's an old system. Even though theres still a danger of standing close to the platform edge (and it's announced all the time to stay away from the platform edge), folks still continue to do it.
Ok 🥱😪😴fake promise and broken dreams 💔
Oh my God, about time someone listen to me.
But only three? Welp, it's a start....
I guess they’re debating how much thinning of the herd should be done.
A more effective alternative would be using that money to build psychiatric asylum to keep the mentally sick people from wondering the streets.
mta would never make all the station like that... they're to cheap..
Yes it would be very expensive. When they say some stations aren't feasible, they mean that there isn't room for gates without a reduction in passenger capacity at these stations. To install them would require a complete rebuild of the entire platform.
The MTA should spend the money on turnstiles to prevent fare evasion.
The same news chanel literally made a video about that 1 month ago
@@CatBot007 ok......and?
@@carlagat1075 im saying the thing you are mentioning is happening. take the help jeez is this really how you react when someone helps you find information
Guarantee it WILL NOT! Be in All the Stations Ever!
Unless they Allow Private Sponsors to Fund them.
I no longer take the subway and rarely use overhead trains .... Only buses and Taxis for me. Too many evil people out there!🙏🏾🙌🏾🇬🇧
Good. About time. NYC will NOT address the assault issue, so at least do something to protect your citizens.
Hey MTA Knock all of the subway down and start over again..
So now itll be a trap box with only one exit.... All they need to do is make people PAY to even enter a subway terminal... but .make it so costly that only people that work will even want to enter there.... thatll eliminate 95% of nonsense... then have doors there to protect those that might fall or get pushed by some maniac... ya it sucks to make it cost that much but there is ALWAYS a price for safety, guards would be nice to
Great
This is simply insane. Isn't that poor spending? Rails can do just as good a Job. Just have openings in the rails.
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No more excuses, start putting the platform screen doors in place. Everywhere in Europe and Asia has this for decades now and guess what? Hardly any deaths from falling on tracks and cleaner tracks which means less rats and less track fires. Upgrade the system already, charging all these expensive fares and not fixing anything. That’s why people evade it, why pay for something that’s awfully run?
they will go from being SHOVED to THROWN on the tracks !!
Full height doors then
About time.
Easy fix
Bc u don't want to hold on the mad few, the community got to be confined, soon you'll see iron bars on all windows like is SA rotten towns.
MTA SERVICE BUSES MTA OK
This is fentanyl NYC, the doors will be destroyed, replaced, destroyed, replaced…
Never underestimate reinforced glass
Why don't you put criminals in jail.
Why don't Nyc mayor stop racist attacks against non-black hate? It has a lot to do with this.
This makes me feel a little uncomfortable. I mean I understand that people want to be safe, but me as a transit fan it will ruin my filming
This is the most selfish excuse I've ever seen, reduced risk of murder, suicide, track fire, and faster pull in speeds, is more important that your film career
@@CatBot007 bro I’m only a teen I understand ppl are more concerned about their safety than my stupid videos
Well you can do photograph outside the station then🤔
@@meongmeong3599 idk about that
7 billion dollars for doors? Bring the chinese, they'll ask for probably 500 millions and will do more.
Literally every metro in Asia has these on every station or at least the busiest stations
@CatBot007 and their economies are way weaker even if you compare their top state earners to the US states by gdp, the US just wastes a lot of money on pockets of billionaires and millionaires that spend their money on leisure and luxury lifestyle.
If you do the math this is a dumb idea
Lets make common sense great again and just move ya a$$ back from the edge
It also helps with keeping trash off the tracks reducing the risk of it toughing the electric rail and starting a fire. Also, have you ever ridden the metro of any kind that place is bussy
@@CatBot007
You know whats a bigger issue crime in the subway
All those billions for 7 to 10 stations to have that dumb wall is obsolete
You could put cameras in every car for that price so riders are safe.
I hear more on the news about subway slashings then people falling in tracks .
And it would cost less .
@@shonevans2563 They got a BS quote lmao they cost like 500k per station. You seem like one of those people that spend their entire day making political tweets. Literally every metro in Asia has them and no one is complaining. However a lot of them do have a security check at the entry to stop said crazy people
Lets not forget about the contractors who have to install the useless device the man hrs alone they get for that is gonna be sky high .
Heavy equipment sent to location,
Shutting down the station or routing trains to other stations
Or having shuttle busses to send riders somewhere else .
Nightmare when you add those fees up .
500k yeah okay wink wink.
And last time i checked japan doesnt even have gun crimes like nyc lol .
You cant even compare that to this city
They dont have check points where the criminals get on probaly uptown so not useful .
If im not mistaken japan has a better train system because they depend on it more then the roadways United states does not this is a road infrastructure country
@@shonevans2563 1)drill hole into platform 2)roll train carrying doors into station 3)bolt doors to platform and celing 4)wire them up and test. Japan did it for their stations overnight however those are half height gates.
Listen to them pointing out the cost. It's always about money, NOT SAFETY.
White Manhattan, only
In Latin America we have this technology in Sao Paulo (Brasil), Santiago de Chile (Chile) and Lima (Peru). Latin America is more modern than United States in many aspects
The best solution is to have more armed security guards and police at every station and on all train cars at all times. Then have homeless outreach workers alongside with mental health professionals combing through all stations and subway trains.
RIGHT HERE I JUST HOPE THAT THE N.Y.C. M.T.A. MASS TRANSIT 🚇 DISTRICT DOESN'T $$$ RAISE THE M.T.A. FARE TO 2.90 & KEEP IT TO 2.75 BY LABOR DAY WEEKEND 2023.
If 7 billion seems too much, I just wanted to remind that our dumb government sent over 100 billion to Ukraine. We needed that money! No need to increase the fare.