Oh it still is! A Tesla Plaid is faster than a Challenger SRT but there's plenty of reason to like both. My M1 MBA is everything I need and more, not that I'm not drooling here...
Still is. The single core performance is the same and the multi core is decent. Naturally, I'd prefer the M1 Pro or Max, but it's still a super solid performer.
This may sound like a stupid question (I do not do any sort of video editing/graphic design and am not at all the target market for these new laptops) but I was watching this video on my 13" m1 pro so how can I see so clearly the difference between the two? Shouldn't it cap at the lowest common denominator and therefore look the same?
Yes! This is the video I’ve been waiting for. Keep these coming, I’m going to watch every one of them until I get my own 14” base model sometime next month.
I think this video is very biased in favour of the 14 inch because it doesn't mention at all the one big advantage the 13 inch has over it: battery life. The 13 inch gets double the battery life of the 14 inch while the 14 inch had a battery life comparable to the Intel models. That's a big deal as battery life was the biggest hype in the Macbook Pro at up to 20 hours and it's definitely something people need to consider as a Macbook is a portable device at the end of the day and battery life can make or break a buyer decision, especially with the M1 models as that is one of tut biggest reasons that people wanted the M1 Macbooks for. Even though I have a big CX OLED TV and high contrast and HDR is very important to me, I don't it is as relevant on a laptop as it is for a bigger screen or even an iPhone (it is great for battery life on an iPhone), I'm going with the speced out 13 inch because even though it's only 300 bucks of a difference, the poor battery life in the 14 inch is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather a hit in performance but get that crazy battery life which is perfect for a train commute or a Starbucks work day. I wish they'd make the XDR screens for a Macbook that puts efficiency over performance, then I'd happily pay 300 bucks extra for a 13 inch with the XDR display. But for now, battery life is a deal breaker
I mean depends on what you like. I got the 13” pro over the air solely for the brighter screen, touchbar, better speakers, better battery, better mics, 1 more GPU core, and I personally like the touchbar. I’d say those are about $300 worth of differences for people who care about those little improvements but don’t wanna spend $2000
The MacBook Air is more than enough for what most people need. I’ll be buying one for my business just for those “you never know when you might need a laptop” moments.. but the Mac Mini Pro is what I’m waiting for. Will blow away new MB pros performance for the money.
Fair point, but some people need to do more intensive tasks such as heavy video editing. In those circumstances, you would want the fan which the air doesn't have. At the same time, you really don't need the 14 inch if you're doing video editing. The m1 13 will more than suffice.
Every reviewer last year when they had the new M1 Macs they where like this…”this is insane and stuff like tht” Wht I’m saying it don’t get stressed up on this new MacBook like take a moment an think The M1 trashes the latest i7 11 gen cpus wht no problem and they are $999🤷🏽♂️u good for 5 years and u Saving a lot of money
I bet we all knew this answer before testing it. The same thing happened with the binned m1 macbook air and the m1 macbook pro. Almost all the performance for less cost.
Love your videos….turn your title around. Thumbnail is ordered from left to right, the title should also be left to right. It’s a small thing but it’s a little confusing and once you see it you can’t unsee it
I think for most people is the 14 base modell maybe with some extra ssd space the best choice.. Sure when you just compile the whole day take the max, but for most people the base is the way to go.
Well done, love your set-up and comparison choices! Your benchmark charts are finally colored, and added a "lower OR higher = better" subtitle! Would be nice if you can add the benchmark as an overlay in the video.
Crazy how much you grown, Luke. I am one of your original 10k subs. You have definitely grown into the RUclipsr I knew you could always be. Proud of you, and hella inspiring. Early congrats on 350k. 1/3 of the way to 1 milli.
I bought the base model yesterday morning. I didn’t go to bed til 6am this morning and woke up around 12pm. I’ve been working on it for hours with just video editing and this thing is just amazing. The fans didn’t start up once and there’s no heat at all coming from it. I can’t imagine what the $6000 machine would do.
@@lucie442 You might get even more confused. I got the base model 14inch which are the newer M1s that just came out a few weeks ago. Base model as in the cheapest one in the line of the newer M1s
I mean depends on what you like. I got the 13” pro over the air solely for the brighter screen, touchbar, better speakers, better battery, better mics, 1 more GPU core, and I personally like the touchbar. I’d say those are about $300 worth of differences for people who care about those things
@@toptiertech7291 yes, there are definitely a few ways in which it is better. But this is the closest MacBook Air has ever been to the Pro, and you really aren’t losing out on that much with $300 in savings. Apple has a very strong MacBook lineup. You really can’t go wrong with any of them
@@AnkerInsider correct. But I do think the 13inch MBP option needs to stay around. Some people want a little more than the air but don’t wanna spend $2000 and I think $1299 is a good stop gap for those improvements
@@AnkerInsider I had both and for the fan alone, the pro model doesn’t throttle like the air. I forgot the game but pro got 40 fps vs 25-30 fps due to the fan, speakers louder too, and touch bar for me is a luxury. The air for pure portable reasons and the pro for real work without throttling
Perhaps if you are constantly working with large projects that dive into the swap memory, the difference between M1 8GB and M1 Pro 16GB will be different. But all of the benchmark results will literally be 100% identical on M1 8GB vs M1 16GB
Thank you for making me feel secure for my decision to go with the base model over an upgraded model. On paper for my workflow I felt that it was enough but with a lot of the review videos catering to the higher end models, I was starting to rethink my decision.
The original M1 series is a real beast! I do a large amount of ProRes 4K video editing, so the unique ProRes hardware acceleration is certainly worth it and not really shown in these types of benchmarks. I'd argue for those use cases, the upgrade is worth it. For casual and some professional work, the 13" M1 MacBook series (Air and Pro) are well worth the purchase.
The only doubt is as a photographer, who just need lightroom and photoshop, what to choose upgrade the CPU or just go with the 14/16” stock? And is it beneficial to go up from 16g ram?
It seems to me the real consideration for you would be future proofing. If you have been doing this for a while, and you are good to your machines, going with higher RAM and a faster CPU will likely future proof this thing for 3 to 5 years. They won't likely be making any major leaps in display technology for a while, so you might find yourself appreciating the higher headroom of a somewhat upgraded 16 inch versus the baseline 14 after two or three years as your apps evolve. That is, of course, if you find the room in your budget.
Another great improvement with M1 Pro is for music. Delay went from 5 or 3ms in best conditions on a MBP i9 16 to an incredible 0.7ms on my M1 Pro 16 inches (base CPU). Settings are at 96khz with 64 bytes buffer... no drops, nothing at all, just mind blowing
This was excellent, thank you! Would love to see the repercussions of the shared RAM on 16 vs 32GB M1 Pro systems when doing graphics-intensive work. I have a 16GB machine now, so would sticking with 16GB feel like a net loss since I'm losing the 4GB of dedicated VRAM?
It’s mind-boggling. My 13” M1 is amazing in both display and performance, and KEEPS blowing me away. To see Apple just go above and beyond with the Pro is…. Well, it’s beautiful.
After lots of searching, this is the review people need to see. Unfortunately, the title of the video doesn't clearly indicate that. This helps the person who is debating between the M1 and both versions of the M1 Pro.
Thanks Luke! Are you comparing the 14” ram performance? It’s $300 to go from 8-14 to 10-16 and $400 to go from 16 to 32gb of ram. Which upgrade u think is worth the most?
I got the 16gb RAM with the 10-16. I’m happy with it, but I don’t do much that needs the RAM. To be honest it’s my travel computer (I’m a pilot, always on the road). It’s a small computer and handles the games I like to play, such as OSRS and occasionally fortnite. The screen is gorgeous for movies and the speakers are insane. I do edit videos and photos on occasion, but haven’t tried that yet on the new Mac.
id like to see real world tests. All of your tests are geared towards youtube creators. The majority run less demanding applications but lots of them with 30 tabs open.
12:57 Speaking of Blender, Apple finally became Blender's patron and allocated resources to integrate Metal API into Cycles engine. The update should be available early next year, can't wait to see that!
The best comparision video i have seen! I hate how so many tech channels are more busy with taking 9 billion shots and weird angles to the point you cant even compare it for yourself. Your style is perfect. Nice shot that are not all over the place and just straight to the point.
I know that most youtubers focus on video editing performance, but would be possible to compare the performance between these models in terms of coding or machine learning. thank you for all these great videos
well it seems like there would be a market for coder comparison videos, the only problem is that most content creators do not know anything about coding, sounds like a good opportunity for someone from the coding community to start creating comparison videos would most likely be quite successful
Thanks for repping the base 14 inch so much. I feel like so many people are maxing out the specs on these videos, with insane unaffordable upgrades for most people. A 32-core M1Max with 64GB of RAM is simply absurd for anybody doing normal things so I’m glad we can see how excellent the 14 inch base model is. Makes me realize it’s all I need honestly. Upgrading from a 2017 base MBP so it’s already a ridiculous upgrade for me personally
TLDW; If you want more graphical horsepower, go for the base 14in MBP otherwise, 13in MBP & MBA are more than enough since the raw CPU power didn't increase that much.
What I was confused about is that he started to comparing 14 inch and 16 inch m1 pro at some point while I thought the video is about m1 vs m1 pro 14 inch
I think the 14" is totally worth it compared to the M1 13" MPB. By the time you add in the 16Gb RAM and the 512GB SSD upgrades you're up to $1700 USD, so just $300 difference for the ports larger and better screen.
I predict that M2 (10-core GPU) will be quite close to the performance of the double binned M1 Pro in terms of multi-core and GPU, and obviously will have faster single-core. So base 14" may be a better choice now, but the new machine(s) with M2 may be an even better value next year, especially with support for multiple monitors...
You have to compare the 14 Inch to the 16 GB Ram, 512 GB SSD Macbook Pro 13 Inch. And then it very much is a good deal, or at least better than the 13 Inch with that configuration
@@matt2m oh yea for sure I mean after seeing Luke's video you can tell the 10 core and 8 core have little difference but the m1 to the m1 pro has a big difference and with a similar spec it's just $300 but you're getting so much more
I'll like to know You're opinion guys... For 1.500€ I can get a MBA with 16GB and 512Gb memory It's worth it to pay 700€ more to take the MBP with M1pro ... To me that 700€ will do a lot in terms of buying a screen and some other stuff so it's not like I can just go for the better one if really doesn't worth it
The M1 14” is heavier than the 13” and the difference is quite noticeable. I’m going with the M1 13” 16gb ram. Although the 14 “ screen is stunning, I watch movies on my TV so the blacks are less important and portability is key for me
Same here also. I always tell people to buy for the future. The last MacBook Pro I purchased was the 2013 15". Still a fantastic machine, and it's been 8 years already- and still going strong. Planning on getting 10 years out of this M1Max beast...
Well done with this video, and for taking a lot of the criticism from the last video to heart, you made reading the graphs so much easier, especially if I’m working and only able to glance at the graphs. Thank you!
I'll admit, it was confusing to follow and had to go rewatch a few segments. The video started with the premis of pitting the 13" M1 against the 14" M1 pro, but abruptly changed the conversation to focus on the base M1 pro vs full M1 pro. The 13" M1 was kind of abandoned once it was obviously not in the same race as the M1 pro causing some confusion IMO. It felt like two different videos merged into one. However, this video is still has very valuable information and I am thankful that you compared the two new versions of the M1 pro as I did not think there would be such as small difference between the two. I wonder how much different the M1 max will be and look forward to that video.
I agree with you, he tried to fit two videos into one. But Luke first established that the M1 Pro crushes the M1 so he started comparing the differences between M1 Pro vs. M1 Max. That being said, I do agree with you - he wanted to fit a lot of info in and went a bit off track (he still included the benchmarks with M1 though)
I knew the base model would be more than enough i mean the m1 was already amazing so i knew this would be a beast and definitely more than enough for most people. Great video luke!
What's even crazier is that I'm sitting here happy as a clam with a 13" M1 editing 4K flawlessly in Davinci Resolve...knowing that M1 Pro/Max is even BETTER. It's like lapping every other car on the track to be in 2nd place while Pro/Max has already finished. 1st Gen M1 is still monstrously good... making Pro/Max just mind-boggling.
Any chance of getting some Logic Pro X benchmarks going forward? There are a few demo projects from big artists that could be used as a baseline reference. Ideas for the tests; - play each project all the way through and monitor the CPU activity - bounce (render) the project to 44.1/24 bit wav (monitor time taken)
Do 16gb vs 32 gb on the Pros please!! I think that’s the most important decision most people need to make. It’s 400$ difference (or 600$ if you go with the 24 cores). Is it worth it for most users or 16GB is enough? What about future proofing? I’m worried that 16GB (same as my M1 air) may be too little.
The 14 inch is just insane however there are both awesome machines, I think it depends on what you need and want, also budget plays a big role in my opinion. I have a MacBook pro M1 it is still a very fast machine for most everyday tasks.
Currently using both in everyday life and just sold the AIR. leaning towards keeping the 13 inch macbook pro. Because... the 14" s STAYS hot. the heat put off for simple task is so concerning.
Was MBP 14" M1pro hot compared to 13 MBP? Thought to get 14" because of better screen, but I like 13 so much for all the rest (runs cool, light, better design, much better battery life)
Thank you so much for this video! I really needed this to make my final decision whether to go with M1 or M1 Pro! Your an actual legend for uploading it today. Love ya!❤
@@wtf3458 Hello there! I had two options whether to go with M1 Macbook Pro 13" (16GB/512SSD) or the Base Macbook Pro 14" (16GB/512SSD). The difference in price is not much. So i went with the Base 14". Ordered it yesterday from Japan and i cant wait to see it in person💪😉
While I’ve already made my decision to buy an M1 pro MacBook this does help cement my decision to go with the base 14”. The only thing I was worried about was storage where the only way to get a terabyte is either wait for a custom model or pay $500 more. These charts show I’m not missing too much (the fast charger isn’t even that much of a draw).
Great review, very excited for my new 14” MacBook Pro to arrive! I’d be interested in seeing what difference 16gb vs 32gb unified memory makes in creative applications such as Lightroom, Photoshop, or Premiere Pro
I would totally get the 14 inch pro. The 13 inch is fine if you upgrade to 16GB but a better screen, more ports, function keys, and faster CPU and GPU, faster SSD, plus an actually usable built-in webcam AND magsafe.... the 14 inch makes the 13 look like a piece of junk.
Hey hey, there’s nothing wrong with the 13 inch. It’s really solid considering it’s thinner, lighter and the battery lasts longer because it’s much more power efficient.
@@alextube2506 Yeah it's solid hardware, I just wouldn't buy one over the 14 unless I really really couldn't afford the 14 or really really wanted lightness (in which case I'd get the Air).
Awesome. Looking forward to comparison with cheapest M1 Max 16. This is a big question how much difference working with FCPX it will make between different tears (M1 pro 14 - max 16)
Ok Luke you're the first person to conclusively answer my question whether the binned to non binned m1 pro upgrade is worth it and I'm so glad I just went with the base model. Should be arriving any hour now so I'm so hyped!
@@musqitonebeats2129 ??? What do you mean the air is shit in every aspect except weight and price, and i mean if you buy a Apple product being worried about a few hundred dollar than your shopping beyond means. Battery, screen, speakers, input connections, performance, cooling, resale value is all better. Not even a similar product.
It would be really nice when someone from the reviewers/influencers measures something not connected to graphics - like time device needs to compile for example java code in IntelliJ/Eclipse or perform some analysis in python. Not everyone is a content creator!
well it seems like there would be a market for coder comparison videos, the only problem is that most content creators do not know anything about coding, sounds like a good opportunity for someone from the coding community to start creating comparison videos would most likely be quite successful
Thanks for this video. I also snagged the base 14-inch base model and was worried. I am also trading in my M1 Macbook Air for it. The M1 chip in that smoked a lot of machines that were way more expensive and had bigger specs on paper. The M1 air never flinched with anything I threw at it but did get hot on some tasks. So I realized I have nothing to worry about. The performance gains are gravy to the already fast M1 chips. I also appreciate the larger screen and ports. The dongles for the Air were annoying. Most people can get the 14-inch base and call it a day. It's really that good.
Can you test: - react native compile - unity compile - .net compile & omnisharp performance/startup in large projects - ios compile (xcode) - browser performance (safari, firefox, chrome) on M1 mac (render time, a lot of tabs, heavy pages etc) - RuneScape 3 performance at different graphics settings - OSRS performance - blender in-editor performance. Not just the render, but the "fps" in the editor. - more (modern) games. MS Flight Sim, Valorant, CSGO, maybe BF2042 when it comes out - the notch vs menu items, mouse, games, other monitors etc. - performance when on a deskpad --> because a deskpad is soft, its own weight and the weight of my hands when I'm using it pushes it a little bit into the mat, which worsens the airflow. I see a slight (but noticeable) change in performance when I move it to a hard surface. I would like to know whether something like this affects the new version.
Thank you so much for doing this. I really needed someone to compare the two models. A lot of reviewers are barely mentioning the base model of the new MacBook Pro 14' as if it doesn't have 8 cores instead of 10
Watching this on my M1 mpb and I can tell you that it's still overkill for what I do but the battery life is incredible. Therefore, you should consider the M1 air unless you are constantly performing high multimedia tasks
Something everyone is not highlighting… the 13” only has 2 video controllers. One for the main screen and one for a second monitor. You can add a third or more but they are only mirrored displays. The new 14” and 16” have more video controllers. You can have 2 additional independent monitor displays. Up to 4 additional independent displays on the Max. This adds a lot of productivity.
On purely an impulse buy, I traded in my 2018 15in i9, my 2017 15in i7 and my iPad Air 4th gen towards the base 14in M1 Pro and was worried I may have jumped the gun without considering all of my options. However after watching your video, I don't regret it one bit. I only wish Windows would get behind supporting an M1 version of Bootcamp so we can really flex the M1/Pro/Max's power on native Windows gaming!
Nice work on the test, just one note: during the 2:06 display comparison, I think the halo/bloom effect is exaggerated by the camera. Thanks for the videos! Keep up the good work and take care!
Umm... The benchmark charts are listing comparisons between the 16" and 14" but the video is supposed to be comparing the 13" M1 vs the 14" M1 macbooks
Some constructive criticism... please use consistent naming conventions for the devices on the graphs as it's really quite difficult to quickly compare them at a glance, especially when you are referring to the M1 MacBook Pro which is at the very top of the graph and the 14" Base which is at the very bottom. In my opinion it would be easier to read the graphs if they were named something along the lines of Macbook Pro 13" M1, Macbook Pro 14" M1 Pro (Base), Macbook Pro 16" M1 Pro or even something like Macbook Pro 14" M1 Pro (8C,14C) and Macbook Pro 16" M1 Pro (10C,16C) 👍 I know you're trying to pump out content super fast and it's fun to watch, but a little extra time on details like this would make the video much easier to understand and process. Andy
Woo-hoo! Thanks for using colored bars and adding "lower is better". It really helps convey the true meaning of the charts! PS - my eyes must be getting old because I barely noticed a difference in the two displays in the dark room test at the start of the video 😞
The funny thing is I’m a windows user & a gamer I haven’t ever had a mac but the way luke speaks and his enthusiasm towards apple products is so amusing to watch that his content is so enjoyable to watch even if I’m not getting these great devices
Oh boy, this 14" M1 Pro is INSANE. I have an M1 Mac mini, based model, which is already a huge step up from my 2017 13" MacBook Pro (base model i5) and I have to say that this computer is truly unique. Is so good for so many reasons. The design, the weight is just right, the keyboard, magsafe, and so on. If you can afford one, do it! You won't regret. Thanks for such great video Luke!
I enjoy going back and watching videos like yours and feel that I would love to see a video that explains the differences between the memory dependency of previous models versus the current models. This means I would like someone to explain how certain programs can require more memory than others and how having an Apple silicon computer has changed that for the better or worst. Because I am only assuming that Photoshop takes up the same amount of memory no matter what model Apple device your using, but maybe I am wrong. I guess I am curious if the memory is better optimized on the silicon Macs if Photoshop took 6 GB of memory on my new M1 MacBook and I am not set to see a huge performance drop since the laptop can respond better than earlier models. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Feels like yesterday where we talked about how speedy the M1 is.
Oh it still is! A Tesla Plaid is faster than a Challenger SRT but there's plenty of reason to like both. My M1 MBA is everything I need and more, not that I'm not drooling here...
Still is. The single core performance is the same and the multi core is decent. Naturally, I'd prefer the M1 Pro or Max, but it's still a super solid performer.
That's the crazy thing! This is all on top of how speedy the M1 is!
@@lukemiani Exactly!!! Maybe a comparison of the base model 14” M1 Pro base with the baseline Intel Baseline Macbook Pro model.
Love my m1 MacBook pro 💯
Good work on all those tests!
Can't wait to see your tests as well ;D
Waiting for your detailed reviews now.
I love to see when RUclipsrs communicate like this.
Just came from your video
Woha big fan of both Luke and u max tech
Thanks for doing the display test. As of yet, not a single tech RUclipsr compare it like you did. It's a great panel, can't wait to get it next year.
This may sound like a stupid question (I do not do any sort of video editing/graphic design and am not at all the target market for these new laptops) but I was watching this video on my 13" m1 pro so how can I see so clearly the difference between the two? Shouldn't it cap at the lowest common denominator and therefore look the same?
And keep in mind that the 13 M1 is already a beast in it’s class - so the 14 is absolutely NUTS
Yes! This is the video I’ve been waiting for. Keep these coming, I’m going to watch every one of them until I get my own 14” base model sometime next month.
The base model 14 is worth it for anyone who needs 16GB 512GB as with the M1 MacBooks you have to pay $400 extra for both of them.
Closer to $299
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu 200$ for 16gb ram and 200$ for 512gb storage.
You can get 13 inch cheaper at their refurbished site.
@@goldeternal *$2000
There's no reason to get the 13 inch MacBook pro, if you need a cheap option just get the MacBook air its just as good for cheap
Just want to commend you Luke for banging out all of this M1 Pro/Max content. Please keep it up - you are doing great work here.
Boy oh boy. If I wasn’t trying to by the new Nikon Z9. I’d be in line for new 14inch M1 Max with 32GB and 2TB SSD.
Lol see you when you're forced to upgrade in 3-5 years
@@dial2616 my late 2012 iMac lasted me 8 years before I decided to upgrade. But ok 🤷🏾♂️
@@Photomeike how long do you think you’d be able to use your new MacBook? Thanks in advance!
Z9 😍 I booked my 16 inch max so no new cam for me 😭
Nikon🤮
I think this video is very biased in favour of the 14 inch because it doesn't mention at all the one big advantage the 13 inch has over it: battery life. The 13 inch gets double the battery life of the 14 inch while the 14 inch had a battery life comparable to the Intel models. That's a big deal as battery life was the biggest hype in the Macbook Pro at up to 20 hours and it's definitely something people need to consider as a Macbook is a portable device at the end of the day and battery life can make or break a buyer decision, especially with the M1 models as that is one of tut biggest reasons that people wanted the M1 Macbooks for.
Even though I have a big CX OLED TV and high contrast and HDR is very important to me, I don't it is as relevant on a laptop as it is for a bigger screen or even an iPhone (it is great for battery life on an iPhone), I'm going with the speced out 13 inch because even though it's only 300 bucks of a difference, the poor battery life in the 14 inch is a deal breaker for me. I'd rather a hit in performance but get that crazy battery life which is perfect for a train commute or a Starbucks work day. I wish they'd make the XDR screens for a Macbook that puts efficiency over performance, then I'd happily pay 300 bucks extra for a 13 inch with the XDR display. But for now, battery life is a deal breaker
As a RUclipsr said before (Luke / another one I forgot), either go with the MB Air or skip to the 14'.
I mean depends on what you like. I got the 13” pro over the air solely for the brighter screen, touchbar, better speakers, better battery, better mics, 1 more GPU core, and I personally like the touchbar. I’d say those are about $300 worth of differences for people who care about those little improvements but don’t wanna spend $2000
The MacBook Air is more than enough for what most people need. I’ll be buying one for my business just for those “you never know when you might need a laptop” moments.. but the Mac Mini Pro is what I’m waiting for. Will blow away new MB pros performance for the money.
Fair point, but some people need to do more intensive tasks such as heavy video editing. In those circumstances, you would want the fan which the air doesn't have. At the same time, you really don't need the 14 inch if you're doing video editing. The m1 13 will more than suffice.
This is the review that I am waiting for the long decade. 😂
Same!
You and me both LOL
#metoo 😂
Every reviewer last year when they had the new M1 Macs they where like this…”this is insane and stuff like tht”
Wht I’m saying it don’t get stressed up on this new MacBook like take a moment an think
The M1 trashes the latest i7 11 gen cpus wht no problem and they are $999🤷🏽♂️u good for 5 years and u Saving a lot of money
I bet we all knew this answer before testing it. The same thing happened with the binned m1 macbook air and the m1 macbook pro. Almost all the performance for less cost.
Are you surprised by the results? Do you think the base model 14” is a good value?
CAN YOU DO M1 max 24 GPU 32GB RAM VS M1 max 32 GPU 64GB RAM
Luke, would be great to measure the difference between 200 and 400 Gbit/s memory bandwidth
Love your videos….turn your title around. Thumbnail is ordered from left to right, the title should also be left to right. It’s a small thing but it’s a little confusing and once you see it you can’t unsee it
I think for most people is the 14 base modell maybe with some extra ssd space the best choice.. Sure when you just compile the whole day take the max, but for most people the base is the way to go.
I wish I could buy a 14 inch MBP with a regular M1 (including its limitations). That would be my sweet spot.
Well done, love your set-up and comparison choices! Your benchmark charts are finally colored, and added a "lower OR higher = better" subtitle! Would be nice if you can add the benchmark as an overlay in the video.
Crazy how much you grown, Luke. I am one of your original 10k subs. You have definitely grown into the RUclipsr I knew you could always be. Proud of you, and hella inspiring. Early congrats on 350k. 1/3 of the way to 1 milli.
I bought the base model yesterday morning. I didn’t go to bed til 6am this morning and woke up around 12pm. I’ve been working on it for hours with just video editing and this thing is just amazing. The fans didn’t start up once and there’s no heat at all coming from it. I can’t imagine what the $6000 machine would do.
What model did you get exactly? What do you mean by base? I am looking for a laptop! So confused about the pro and air :/
@@lucie442 You might get even more confused. I got the base model 14inch which are the newer M1s that just came out a few weeks ago. Base model as in the cheapest one in the line of the newer M1s
I think the M1 MacBook Air vs 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro is a more interesting comparison. Most agree that the Air is a better value than the M1 13" Pro.
I mean depends on what you like. I got the 13” pro over the air solely for the brighter screen, touchbar, better speakers, better battery, better mics, 1 more GPU core, and I personally like the touchbar. I’d say those are about $300 worth of differences for people who care about those things
@@toptiertech7291 yes, there are definitely a few ways in which it is better. But this is the closest MacBook Air has ever been to the Pro, and you really aren’t losing out on that much with $300 in savings. Apple has a very strong MacBook lineup. You really can’t go wrong with any of them
@@AnkerInsider correct. But I do think the 13inch MBP option needs to stay around. Some people want a little more than the air but don’t wanna spend $2000 and I think $1299 is a good stop gap for those improvements
@@toptiertech7291 I'm thinking the price might increase to $1499 with the M2 version, possibly with the 14" redesign.
@@AnkerInsider I had both and for the fan alone, the pro model doesn’t throttle like the air. I forgot the game but pro got 40 fps vs 25-30 fps due to the fan, speakers louder too, and touch bar for me is a luxury. The air for pure portable reasons and the pro for real work without throttling
Would really love to see the 8core M1 Pro with 16gb of memory on a leveled field against a Standard M1 also with 16gb of Memory.
Extra memory will do nothing, same performance, none of the apps he tested go into swap memory when exclusively opened so the comparison is pointless
Perhaps if you are constantly working with large projects that dive into the swap memory, the difference between M1 8GB and M1 Pro 16GB will be different. But all of the benchmark results will literally be 100% identical on M1 8GB vs M1 16GB
Thank you for making me feel secure for my decision to go with the base model over an upgraded model. On paper for my workflow I felt that it was enough but with a lot of the review videos catering to the higher end models, I was starting to rethink my decision.
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Most of the reviews use benchmarks that are too far from an actual real-life scenario
The original M1 series is a real beast! I do a large amount of ProRes 4K video editing, so the unique ProRes hardware acceleration is certainly worth it and not really shown in these types of benchmarks. I'd argue for those use cases, the upgrade is worth it. For casual and some professional work, the 13" M1 MacBook series (Air and Pro) are well worth the purchase.
The only doubt is as a photographer, who just need lightroom and photoshop, what to choose upgrade the CPU or just go with the 14/16” stock? And is it beneficial to go up from 16g ram?
The Display difference is just enough to go to the latest gen if you a photographer.
Go with 14 stock when you want to be mobile.. maybe add some extra space like 1-2TB.
@@safebet5841 .. or just buy a 2 TB portable SSD and be straight!
@@hollywoodthedj1673 Yeah I wouldn't put anything over 1TB on it, after that you're better off with an external HDD or SSD to save money.
It seems to me the real consideration for you would be future proofing. If you have been doing this for a while, and you are good to your machines, going with higher RAM and a faster CPU will likely future proof this thing for 3 to 5 years. They won't likely be making any major leaps in display technology for a while, so you might find yourself appreciating the higher headroom of a somewhat upgraded 16 inch versus the baseline 14 after two or three years as your apps evolve. That is, of course, if you find the room in your budget.
Useful comparison. At least I know unless I upgrade to Max, it pretty much isn't worth it for my workload.
Unless your workload is highly gpu based, the max version won’t be worth it for you
Another great improvement with M1 Pro is for music. Delay went from 5 or 3ms in best conditions on a MBP i9 16 to an incredible 0.7ms on my M1 Pro 16 inches (base CPU). Settings are at 96khz with 64 bytes buffer... no drops, nothing at all, just mind blowing
This was excellent, thank you! Would love to see the repercussions of the shared RAM on 16 vs 32GB M1 Pro systems when doing graphics-intensive work. I have a 16GB machine now, so would sticking with 16GB feel like a net loss since I'm losing the 4GB of dedicated VRAM?
It’s mind-boggling. My 13” M1 is amazing in both display and performance, and KEEPS blowing me away. To see Apple just go above and beyond with the Pro is…. Well, it’s beautiful.
A clean review where every current second felt as useful as the rest 18+ minutes.
Definitely worth paying $700 to not get the touchbar.
After lots of searching, this is the review people need to see. Unfortunately, the title of the video doesn't clearly indicate that. This helps the person who is debating between the M1 and both versions of the M1 Pro.
Thanks Luke! Are you comparing the 14” ram performance?
It’s $300 to go from 8-14 to 10-16 and $400 to go from 16 to 32gb of ram. Which upgrade u think is worth the most?
I got the 16gb RAM with the 10-16. I’m happy with it, but I don’t do much that needs the RAM. To be honest it’s my travel computer (I’m a pilot, always on the road). It’s a small computer and handles the games I like to play, such as OSRS and occasionally fortnite. The screen is gorgeous for movies and the speakers are insane. I do edit videos and photos on occasion, but haven’t tried that yet on the new Mac.
id like to see real world tests. All of your tests are geared towards youtube creators. The majority run less demanding applications but lots of them with 30 tabs open.
12:57 Speaking of Blender, Apple finally became Blender's patron and allocated resources to integrate Metal API into Cycles engine. The update should be available early next year, can't wait to see that!
The best comparision video i have seen! I hate how so many tech channels are more busy with taking 9 billion shots and weird angles to the point you cant even compare it for yourself. Your style is perfect. Nice shot that are not all over the place and just straight to the point.
I know that most youtubers focus on video editing performance, but would be possible to compare the performance between these models in terms of coding or machine learning. thank you for all these great videos
well it seems like there would be a market for coder comparison videos, the only problem is that most content creators do not know anything about coding, sounds like a good opportunity for someone from the coding community to start creating comparison videos would most likely be quite successful
I’ve seen people like MaxTech doing the XCode benchmarks if those count
Thanks for repping the base 14 inch so much. I feel like so many people are maxing out the specs on these videos, with insane unaffordable upgrades for most people. A 32-core M1Max with 64GB of RAM is simply absurd for anybody doing normal things so I’m glad we can see how excellent the 14 inch base model is. Makes me realize it’s all I need honestly. Upgrading from a 2017 base MBP so it’s already a ridiculous upgrade for me personally
TLDW; If you want more graphical horsepower, go for the base 14in MBP otherwise, 13in MBP & MBA are more than enough since the raw CPU power didn't increase that much.
Thank you
What I was confused about is that he started to comparing 14 inch and 16 inch m1 pro at some point while I thought the video is about m1 vs m1 pro 14 inch
I think the 14" is totally worth it compared to the M1 13" MPB. By the time you add in the 16Gb RAM and the 512GB SSD upgrades you're up to $1700 USD, so just $300 difference for the ports larger and better screen.
pretty weak not mentioning that the 14" has double the RAM.
I predict that M2 (10-core GPU) will be quite close to the performance of the double binned M1 Pro in terms of multi-core and GPU, and obviously will have faster single-core. So base 14" may be a better choice now, but the new machine(s) with M2 may be an even better value next year, especially with support for multiple monitors...
You lost your focus. The title says comparing between the M1 Pro with M1. But you kept referencing the 10-core version.
You have to compare the 14 Inch to the 16 GB Ram, 512 GB SSD Macbook Pro 13 Inch. And then it very much is a good deal, or at least better than the 13 Inch with that configuration
Yea then it only becomes a $300 difference
Exactly what you pointed out is my justification for staying with the base model 14 because the next $300 doesn’t get you that much in retrospect.
This!
but saying " if you planned on buying a spec'd out 13" MBP then just buy the 14", makes for a very short discussion"
@@matt2m oh yea for sure I mean after seeing Luke's video you can tell the 10 core and 8 core have little difference but the m1 to the m1 pro has a big difference and with a similar spec it's just $300 but you're getting so much more
I'll like to know You're opinion guys...
For 1.500€ I can get a MBA with 16GB and 512Gb memory
It's worth it to pay 700€ more to take the MBP with M1pro ...
To me that 700€ will do a lot in terms of buying a screen and some other stuff so it's not like I can just go for the better one if really doesn't worth it
I like your review style. Calm, moderate pace, not too exaggerated and flattering like other reviewers. +1 sub.
The M1 14” is heavier than the 13” and the difference is quite noticeable. I’m going with the M1 13” 16gb ram. Although the 14 “ screen is stunning, I watch movies on my TV so the blacks are less important and portability is key for me
I agree! Weight is a big tipping point for me. Plus, mine would always be connected to an external monitor. So don’t see the issue!
I bought the 14" M1 Max, completely maxed. So excited to receive mine - especially based on these base model tests.
Same here also. I always tell people to buy for the future. The last MacBook Pro I purchased was the 2013 15". Still a fantastic machine, and it's been 8 years already- and still going strong. Planning on getting 10 years out of this M1Max beast...
Well done with this video, and for taking a lot of the criticism from the last video to heart, you made reading the graphs so much easier, especially if I’m working and only able to glance at the graphs. Thank you!
6:18 the lack of music or any background noise makes this 1000x better
I'll admit, it was confusing to follow and had to go rewatch a few segments. The video started with the premis of pitting the 13" M1 against the 14" M1 pro, but abruptly changed the conversation to focus on the base M1 pro vs full M1 pro. The 13" M1 was kind of abandoned once it was obviously not in the same race as the M1 pro causing some confusion IMO. It felt like two different videos merged into one. However, this video is still has very valuable information and I am thankful that you compared the two new versions of the M1 pro as I did not think there would be such as small difference between the two. I wonder how much different the M1 max will be and look forward to that video.
I agree with you, he tried to fit two videos into one. But Luke first established that the M1 Pro crushes the M1 so he started comparing the differences between M1 Pro vs. M1 Max. That being said, I do agree with you - he wanted to fit a lot of info in and went a bit off track (he still included the benchmarks with M1 though)
I quite liked the story this video had to tell
I’m convinced. Luke doesn’t sleep anymore.
I knew the base model would be more than enough i mean the m1 was already amazing so i knew this would be a beast and definitely more than enough for most people. Great video luke!
Now this is the most anticipated video on RUclips! Great video
How much coffee have you gone through this week? Great content and I’m really enjoying watching all of this develop on your channel
What's even crazier is that I'm sitting here happy as a clam with a 13" M1 editing 4K flawlessly in Davinci Resolve...knowing that M1 Pro/Max is even BETTER. It's like lapping every other car on the track to be in 2nd place while Pro/Max has already finished.
1st Gen M1 is still monstrously good... making Pro/Max just mind-boggling.
Any chance of getting some Logic Pro X benchmarks going forward? There are a few demo projects from big artists that could be used as a baseline reference.
Ideas for the tests;
- play each project all the way through and monitor the CPU activity
- bounce (render) the project to 44.1/24 bit wav (monitor time taken)
Main Reason Disappointed Me Is No TouchBar In 14 Inch Macbook Pro
Do 16gb vs 32 gb on the Pros please!! I think that’s the most important decision most people need to make. It’s 400$ difference (or 600$ if you go with the 24 cores). Is it worth it for most users or 16GB is enough? What about future proofing? I’m worried that 16GB (same as my M1 air) may be too little.
The differences in the display blew me away. didn't notice that until this video
The 14 inch is just insane however there are both awesome machines, I think it depends on what you need and want, also budget plays a big role in my opinion. I have a MacBook pro M1 it is still a very fast machine for most everyday tasks.
Currently using both in everyday life and just sold the AIR. leaning towards keeping the 13 inch macbook pro. Because... the 14" s STAYS hot. the heat put off for simple task is so concerning.
Was MBP 14" M1pro hot compared to 13 MBP? Thought to get 14" because of better screen, but I like 13 so much for all the rest (runs cool, light, better design, much better battery life)
How does the high impedance headphone jack sound?
Great comparisons man. You're my go to guy now :)
Thank you so much for this video! I really needed this to make my final decision whether to go with M1 or M1 Pro! Your an actual legend for uploading it today. Love ya!❤
Hey mate, i am in the same dilemma as you. To get, mac pro M1 or M1 pro. Let me know your thoughts and what did you go with?
@@wtf3458 Hello there! I had two options whether to go with M1 Macbook Pro 13" (16GB/512SSD) or the Base Macbook Pro 14" (16GB/512SSD). The difference in price is not much. So i went with the Base 14". Ordered it yesterday from Japan and i cant wait to see it in person💪😉
@@Shimry , thanks man. In my case, i have got an offer $1700 for M1 512 SSD, where as M1 pro is selling for $2770.
What do you reckon man?
@@wtf3458 I would go with the M1 wich is $1700 and save that whopping $1000.
@@Shimry thanks mate
While I’ve already made my decision to buy an M1 pro MacBook this does help cement my decision to go with the base 14”. The only thing I was worried about was storage where the only way to get a terabyte is either wait for a custom model or pay $500 more. These charts show I’m not missing too much (the fast charger isn’t even that much of a draw).
Great review, very excited for my new 14” MacBook Pro to arrive! I’d be interested in seeing what difference 16gb vs 32gb unified memory makes in creative applications such as Lightroom, Photoshop, or Premiere Pro
Thank you for the clarity on your charts, I really appreciate you reading the comments and acting accordingly
I would totally get the 14 inch pro. The 13 inch is fine if you upgrade to 16GB but a better screen, more ports, function keys, and faster CPU and GPU, faster SSD, plus an actually usable built-in webcam AND magsafe.... the 14 inch makes the 13 look like a piece of junk.
Hey hey, there’s nothing wrong with the 13 inch. It’s really solid considering it’s thinner, lighter and the battery lasts longer because it’s much more power efficient.
@@alextube2506 Yeah it's solid hardware, I just wouldn't buy one over the 14 unless I really really couldn't afford the 14 or really really wanted lightness (in which case I'd get the Air).
@@travis1240 true. I did get mine in June.
Great review. Looks like you’re having a lot of fun testing these systems
Awesome. Looking forward to comparison with cheapest M1 Max 16. This is a big question how much difference working with FCPX it will make between different tears (M1 pro 14 - max 16)
Ok Luke you're the first person to conclusively answer my question whether the binned to non binned m1 pro upgrade is worth it and I'm so glad I just went with the base model. Should be arriving any hour now so I'm so hyped!
Base is fine, great machine and I saved a few quid
I got the base model from Best Buy, I love it. Then I found Amazon has it for $50 less, and Best Buy price matched and refunded the difference
So excited to get my first Mac and it is going to be an M1 MacBook Pro cause am not a power hungry user
@@musqitonebeats2129 not really the pro has better battery life as well as a brother screen and fans which is good for longevity
@@musqitonebeats2129 ??? What do you mean the air is shit in every aspect except weight and price, and i mean if you buy a Apple product being worried about a few hundred dollar than your shopping beyond means. Battery, screen, speakers, input connections, performance, cooling, resale value is all better. Not even a similar product.
Can you guys stop arguing in the comments, it's his first Mac, let the man be happy. Congrats on your purchase Kaing.
This is exactly the review I was looking for. Fantastic work!
It would be really nice when someone from the reviewers/influencers measures something not connected to graphics - like time device needs to compile for example java code in IntelliJ/Eclipse or perform some analysis in python. Not everyone is a content creator!
I second that 👆 request.
well it seems like there would be a market for coder comparison videos, the only problem is that most content creators do not know anything about coding, sounds like a good opportunity for someone from the coding community to start creating comparison videos would most likely be quite successful
@@BILLY-px3hw MacTech did that
@@BILLY-px3hw i will have an access to m1 mini next week. I can try to do such video
I have the M1 Base 13”, it is an absolute beast. My only complaint is that I wish it had better graphics on board!
But buying a used M1 for $650 is the BEST deal out!
Where?
I got a used M1 from a tweeker from where I lived sold it to me for $200 bucks 🤦♂️🤷♂️😂
@@johngotti8544 no way lmao
@@johngotti8544 don’t count
@@samanthapowell5882 why 🤣😂
Thanks for this video. I also snagged the base 14-inch base model and was worried. I am also trading in my M1 Macbook Air for it. The M1 chip in that smoked a lot of machines that were way more expensive and had bigger specs on paper. The M1 air never flinched with anything I threw at it but did get hot on some tasks. So I realized I have nothing to worry about. The performance gains are gravy to the already fast M1 chips. I also appreciate the larger screen and ports. The dongles for the Air were annoying. Most people can get the 14-inch base and call it a day. It's really that good.
Can you test:
- react native compile
- unity compile
- .net compile & omnisharp performance/startup in large projects
- ios compile (xcode)
- browser performance (safari, firefox, chrome) on M1 mac (render time, a lot of tabs, heavy pages etc)
- RuneScape 3 performance at different graphics settings
- OSRS performance
- blender in-editor performance. Not just the render, but the "fps" in the editor.
- more (modern) games. MS Flight Sim, Valorant, CSGO, maybe BF2042 when it comes out
- the notch vs menu items, mouse, games, other monitors etc.
- performance when on a deskpad --> because a deskpad is soft, its own weight and the weight of my hands when I'm using it pushes it a little bit into the mat, which worsens the airflow. I see a slight (but noticeable) change in performance when I move it to a hard surface. I would like to know whether something like this affects the new version.
Thank you so much for doing this. I really needed someone to compare the two models. A lot of reviewers are barely mentioning the base model of the new MacBook Pro 14' as if it doesn't have 8 cores instead of 10
Watching this on my M1 mpb and I can tell you that it's still overkill for what I do but the battery life is incredible. Therefore, you should consider the M1 air unless you are constantly performing high multimedia tasks
Something everyone is not highlighting… the 13” only has 2 video controllers. One for the main screen and one for a second monitor. You can add a third or more but they are only mirrored displays.
The new 14” and 16” have more video controllers. You can have 2 additional independent monitor displays. Up to 4 additional independent displays on the Max. This adds a lot of productivity.
I am getting the M1 Pro 14” for Christmas. My 2015 Pro Retina quit working in September. I waited for this upgrade to have the ports.
On purely an impulse buy, I traded in my 2018 15in i9, my 2017 15in i7 and my iPad Air 4th gen towards the base 14in M1 Pro and was worried I may have jumped the gun without considering all of my options. However after watching your video, I don't regret it one bit.
I only wish Windows would get behind supporting an M1 version of Bootcamp so we can really flex the M1/Pro/Max's power on native Windows gaming!
Nice work on the test, just one note: during the 2:06 display comparison, I think the halo/bloom effect is exaggerated by the camera.
Thanks for the videos! Keep up the good work and take care!
Just the review I was waiting for ... thank you
I feel like Luke’s videos have gotten exponentially better in a very short period of time
The video I was waiting for! Thank you Luke
Umm... The benchmark charts are listing comparisons between the 16" and 14" but the video is supposed to be comparing the 13" M1 vs the 14" M1 macbooks
Very interesting results. Thanks for doing those tests
The video I have been waiting on!! First time viewer and subscriber!!
Some constructive criticism... please use consistent naming conventions for the devices on the graphs as it's really quite difficult to quickly compare them at a glance, especially when you are referring to the M1 MacBook Pro which is at the very top of the graph and the 14" Base which is at the very bottom.
In my opinion it would be easier to read the graphs if they were named something along the lines of Macbook Pro 13" M1, Macbook Pro 14" M1 Pro (Base), Macbook Pro 16" M1 Pro or even something like Macbook Pro 14" M1 Pro (8C,14C) and Macbook Pro 16" M1 Pro (10C,16C) 👍
I know you're trying to pump out content super fast and it's fun to watch, but a little extra time on details like this would make the video much easier to understand and process.
Andy
I've been searching for this comparison all over the Internet. FINALLY
Woo-hoo! Thanks for using colored bars and adding "lower is better". It really helps convey the true meaning of the charts! PS - my eyes must be getting old because I barely noticed a difference in the two displays in the dark room test at the start of the video 😞
The funny thing is I’m a windows user & a gamer
I haven’t ever had a mac but the way luke speaks and his enthusiasm towards apple products is so amusing to watch that his content is so enjoyable to watch even if I’m not getting these great devices
6:07 LOL, great video Luke!
Luke you just saved me a TON of hours going back and forth if I really needed the 10/16 core/gpu combo. Great video and explanation. Keep it up
Budget is the only reason why I’m getting the 13in
Oh boy, this 14" M1 Pro is INSANE. I have an M1 Mac mini, based model, which is already a huge step up from my 2017 13" MacBook Pro (base model i5) and I have to say that this computer is truly unique. Is so good for so many reasons. The design, the weight is just right, the keyboard, magsafe, and so on. If you can afford one, do it! You won't regret. Thanks for such great video Luke!
I enjoy going back and watching videos like yours and feel that I would love to see a video that explains the differences between the memory dependency of previous models versus the current models. This means I would like someone to explain how certain programs can require more memory than others and how having an Apple silicon computer has changed that for the better or worst. Because I am only assuming that Photoshop takes up the same amount of memory no matter what model Apple device your using, but maybe I am wrong. I guess I am curious if the memory is better optimized on the silicon Macs if Photoshop took 6 GB of memory on my new M1 MacBook and I am not set to see a huge performance drop since the laptop can respond better than earlier models. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Excellent video. Thanks for the info. You were answering my questions about which one to get. looking forward to the 14" battle.
This is the review I’ve been wanting! 😃
Can you do a comparison for same 16 gb ram model 13” vs 14”
whoa. just the video i wanted to see. cant wait for the rest of the test. debating between base '14 and the 10core '14.
Great graphs Luke !