True. Just copy the RUclips transcripts from Luke’s tests (when he’s done them all) and bang them inti ChatGPT 4. Then you can discuss it in real time as though Luke was sat in your room with you.
The battery test was excellent. I like that you had a performance oriented and a general use RUclips video oriented test. Most of my battery life is spent watching RUclips videos since I let them play for long times in the background but obviously when you're doing important work you also don't want your battery to die really quickly I would like to know more about the battery health of the M2 laptops, and I also think it would be worth mentioning the brightness of the screen since doubling the refresh rate and increasing the maximum brightness may have impacted the battery life compared to the original M2 MacBook Pro.
You are talk exactly like my intressed things and I have the same problems with the battery and the only ques and biggest issue haha like you’ strange !! … you comment exactly what I will comment 🤣🤣👍 😎👌
The battery life test is really good. I was wondering about that. Having such dramatic superior battery life for the M3 pro vs M2 pro is will sway buyers to M3Pro.
@@Drae2212 Apple's battery life claims are mostly strategic. They want to make it seem like you're not compromising on battery when you go from M3 Pro to M3 Max, even though there will be a noticeable difference. The M3 Pro is very close to the M3 in terms of battery life (as this test showed, even with the 12C M3 Pro), while the M3 Max is worse than the M2 Max was according to other tests. Battery life really scales with the number of performance cores, that's just how it is.
@@Drae2212 Apple never advertises battery life for intensive tasks, their benchmarks are either playing a video for a long time or refreshing a few webpages. In that regard, there's not so much difference between M2 Pro and M3 Pro. I think Apple doesn't want the user to think that there'd be a big difference between an "intense" use case and a standard one. Because it would generate buyer anxiety: "is what I'm doing an intense task?", "how much battery will I, with my specific needs, will have?". Those are all valid questions, but Apple probably doesn't want to put a "3 hours maxed-out gaming" on their product page next to the current "18 hours watching Apple TV+".
@@DigiDriftZone50% faster, but when you're talking about rendering times I was like 3 minutes versus one and a half minutes. That doesn't mean a whole lot to the end user. Obviously that depends on how much work you're doing, but for any singular consumer.... I don't know how much that performance pump will matter
Yes, this!! Most people aren't upgrading their Macs yearly. Hell, before I bought my current M1 Max MBP in 2021, I was still using a 2015 MBP! While I understand the comparison to the last gen chip, that isn't the reality for the majority of the market. I would like to see a comparison between the last gen Intel MBP, an M1 Pro and M1 Max, and, sure, throw in M2 chips for giggles. I think the M3 generation is when a lot of people still holding on to their last Intel machines will make the switch.
This is my biggest question. The only people who upgrade computers every year are RUclips reviewers haha I have an m1pro, and while I don’t need an update, idk, I’m curious
I'm in on this vote too - M1 Pro MBP for me....and it does what I need it to do. But I also have the M2 Pro Mini (base binned chip). I have a feeling that we could see some good gains from M1 Pro to M3 Pro, but I want to say that I'm thinking that most of us who may be on the fence should wait until the new Pro Minis and the Studio get updated before we diving into paying Apple more money for a laptop. I think the Max chip is going to be a super beast and our money would be better spent on the Studio if we are looking at the graphical benefits to the M3.
I don’t have stats - but I noticed a significant increase in compile times, and ended my day with about 60% on my m3 pro vs i averaged 20% on my m1 base, that could be due to increased render time resulting in less high power usage, not sure. Look forward to someone testing
What is also important to note is that some programs can only make use of performance cores, so the M3 Pro will have significantly worse performance. Audio DAW's like Logic Pro and Ableton only use performance cores, while Reaper can use all of them.
You’re the only one to mention the programs I’ll be using most. I’ll be jumping in and out of Fl studio and Pro tools for hours on end. Would I be better off getting an M2 pro MacBook? The M2 pro with the specs I want comes out $2000. The same price as the baseline M3 pro specs. Should I go ahead and get the M3 since it’s the same price? Or will the M2 pro give me better performance/longevity? Thanks if you end up replying!
@@GoB1996 Hi, It seems the channel I have been following regarding this subject just uploaded a video about this: ruclips.net/video/FSqX4bt9to4/видео.html I haven't watched it yet but I think it may help with your purchasing decisions. I predict that the M2 Pro will be the better buy overall, M3 only has the benefit of AV1 encoding and ray-tracing.
Please include the M1 series as well as the M2 because it'll be fascinating to see if there are any real gains overall. It could help me decide if I'll just get an M1 pro or M1 Pro Max 👍🏻
Not sure why getting the M1 Pro or Max if it does not worth it now... the M2 Pro or Max will be almost the same price as the M1... And newer hardware, less usage and will be better than getting a refurbished/used M1.
Thank you for this because everyone just keeps testing the fully decked out Max chips that most people aren't buying. Been looking to get a Pro series chip.
I just bought an Apple Refurbished 14” M1 Pro Max for $1600. It had 7 cycles, and looks pristine cosmetically speaking. That said, I’m more than satisfied with the value/savings 💪🏼
I ordered an M3 pro last week and it’s coming on the 19th, thanks for this video! Even if it’s not a monumental upgrade it’s still really good from updating from a 9900k I’ve been using for almost 5 years
Hey! What made you buy the M3 Pro over the M2 Pro? Everyone keeps saying the M3 Pro is a bad deal, but I don't quite understand it, I mean it got 200$ cheaper while still having somewhat the same performance as the M2 Pro. Yes you would get the M2 Pro cheaper than the M3 Pro now, but now the M2 Pro also isn't the newest Mac anymore, meaning you won't get updates as long as with the M3 Pro.
@@mypicturesbox Its the newest model and why not get it right at the beginning on its life cycle to upgrade from my 9900K pc. I got the M3 Pro 12 Core with 36GB RAM and 512GB (I got 512 Cause the storage doesn't have issues and I can use my 16TB home network drive) and its been great so far, I'm replying to this on it right now Edit: I do admit it was very expensive
I would love to see the M1 pro trotted back out to test against the newer M SoCs, especially considering how good it was at entry level (m1 pro chip, 16 gb unified memory, 512 gb ssd)
If you have M1 Pro/Max I think it would be really useful to include those in your next video with the M2/M3 Pro/Max. A lot of people with M1 will be wanting to know if it's worth the upgrade to an M3.
Yes please include the M1 Max. Also, it’s so weird (and great!) seeing my home Piha Beach onscreen in your FCP tests. If I’d known you were coming I’d have shouted you a beer at the pub!!
In short for the money? Not worth upgrading from anything. Unless you’re making money from your mac or using it for videogames (terrible value for that) then it’s not worth buying anything new.
Thank you for your video. It provided an in-depth and fascinating review that I found extremely insightful. Keep up the great work; I’m always eager to see content like this that’s both informative and engaging.
I jumped from the m1 base to the m3 pro 32gb 16inch, and I love the change. Today was my first full day using it for work, and left the day at about 60% when it is normally about at about 20% on the m1. Fantastic boost. I think the E cores verses the P cores was a great idea.
What are you using your machine for and I assume you went for 36GB RAM, where do you see most of your RAM being consumed. Regarding battery life, do you remember have well the battery held up when the M1 was new?
Do you have the 11 core or 12 core m3 pro? I wonder if the the m3 pro with less cores has better battery life. And you mean the 14 inch MacBook Pro right?
@@kamranmirza5337 Yes, I moved from the 14 inch to the 16 inch m3 pro. I have the higher core count, and im not sure the difference between those two models as far as battery, I wouldn't think it would make more than a percent or two different, especially depending on load.
Hey Luke! Just curious, did you take charge cycle count/battery health into consideration to offset the battery life test results seeing as the M2s are older? 🙂
@@ZeroRoyI have an M1 pro that's still at 98% capacity. Unless he's been putting his M2s through the grinder, it's possible his figures are still within a couple of points of new machines.
Please consider M1 Max vs M2 Max vs M3 Max. Since there are still new discounted M1 Max around for way cheaper or sane price as M2 pro or newest M3 base model.
The battery test was very interesting. How did you account for battery health status on the older models? Were all the models brand new for these tests or did some models already have some battery wear prior to the tests?
Great video, thanks! Definitely interested in thermals of the m3 max. I'm a software developer that would like a bit more than the 36GB which leaves just the max. I just hope the extra cores (which are awesome, by the way) won't lead to too much extra heat and fan noise.
I think reviewers concentrate too much on high performance. It‘s also a pro workflow to do many things in parallel. If you have for example a lot of office apps and browser tabs open, and maybe watching a video at the same time, most of these tasks probably will run on the efficiency cores and I guess the M3 Pro will have significant advantages here in terms of effieciency. So I would say the 3 Pro is for parallel workflows, while the 3 Max is for max performance workflows.
I bought the base M3 Pro specifically because the tradeoffs they made with it suit my needs, but admittedly I'm probably less bothered by the same-as-M2-Pro performance because I'm coming from a base M1 Air. From where I'm sitting with the M1, I'll get a massive performance bump and still retain nearly the same (incredible) battery life; that plus a bit more RAM and better SSD speeds on the base 512GB model when compared to the M2 Pro makes it worth it for my workloads (high-res RAW photo editing, music production, occasional 4K video production).
Apple's M3 MacBook Pro generation signifies a strategic shift rather than a mere upgrade. It's apparent that Apple deliberately toned down the capabilities of the M3 Pro models to sway power users toward the Max options. Meanwhile, the rationale behind Apple's seemingly flawed basic M2 Pro SSD speeds is now evident. This alteration allows Apple to assert improved performance over the M2 Pro, particularly given the previous generation's SSD performance issues when SWAP was activated. Had this not been the case, the base M2 Pro systems would actually have outperformed the M3 Pro options. Apple seemed to anticipate this and acted proactively ahead of the M3 release.
6:20 I don't think it's an artificial threshold, it's because of the "version" of the 3N lithography they are using. They had 2 options, go for it now with a tech that has worse yields but it's ready or they would have to wait for the next one that is better optimized and has much better yields. They ended up choosing to launch now, so they are not getting as many good cores as they would otherwise, which also affects the memory bandwidth and, therefore the decrease in both.
Can you please help shed some light on the impact that 16 GB vs 8GB on the base M3 chip… specifically for VRAM intensive tasks? I’m curious if 16 GB base M3 would provide benefits for the future of gaming on Apple silicon
In the battery test, it would've been interesting to see a test in battery saving only with the efficient cores working, and see the behaviour differences between M2 Pro and M3 Pro
I code every day. A lot. Like most programmers, many tabs open, terminals, docker instances, etc. I am very disappointed in the M3 Pro. Originally bought a MBP M2 Pro due to chip architecture being superior with the entry model, but had to return due to sound issues and there were none left to exchange. My M1 Mac Mini I bought for $799 is outperforming my MBP M3 Pro ($1999). MBP M3 Pro is running the same code bases and has even less open and still does not perform as well. That modification of memory bandwidth is a real bottleneck for my workload. The performance cores is a cherry on top of another terrible decision. They're gouging their customers. Yes, the M1 (non Pro) is outperforming the M3 Pro..
You're my favorite apple youtuber, cause you're not afraid to call out their bullshit, while still enjoying their products. I'm not a huge fan of apple, but I gotta give them credit for apple silicon, while you can buy pc laptops of similar performance, none of them have the battery life of apple's. I owned a Gigabyte Aero 15 a while back with an i7 9750H and 1660ti, and that thing would barely get 2hrs when simply watching youtube, so 99% of the time I would keep it plugged in.
Thanks Luke. You already have a ray tracing benchmark - Cinebench 2024 has been updated to use the new M3 hardware RT. You also already have another - the updated 3DMark (iOS) has Solar Bay which uses MetalRT just swipe to the far left. Be sure to run all these in full-screen/game mode & highest power. Congrats on finding the MetalRT option in Blender - most didn't. Beware Blender Benchmark as it doesn't use MetalRT yet.
I don’t find the M3 Pro confusing at all. The new lineup is there to do one thing: differentiate the products across the product line. In the last two iterations, the Pro was not much different than the Max, with identical CPU cores, only differing in the Max having more GPU cores. Just as the iPhone 14 line was meant to separate the normal and pro lines with the iPhone 14’s getting the same A15 as the prior year with one more GPU core and the iPhone 14 Pros getting the A16, this year was meant to create a stepping stone in performance with the M3 -> M3 Pro -> M3 Max, all of them with gap performance and no confusion on which one is more powerful. Inevitably when rebalancing, one product is going to get less of an upgrade. Last year it was the iPhone 14. This year it was the M3 Pro. One possibility is that Apple is going to reconfigure the iPad line next year, separating the Air from the Pro line dramatically. The Air will get the M3, but I think the reason for the shift to 6/6 cores with the M3 Pro was in preparation for putting the M3 Pro in the iPad Pro line. There will be a dramatic performance difference with no more confusion on the Air versus Pro argument. iPads are all about efficiency, so Apple is making the M3 Pro more efficient.
Well I understand that. CPU wise they were same. But if Apple kept 8 performance cores, same GPU as it has now, it will still be much behind Max but with better performance than M2 Pro and so, representing better value, Look, Logic Pro is using performance cores only. m3 pro is much slower than M2 Pro in that App! That's a downgrade you are getting for more money. This is unacceptable
huh, the battery life gain was much better than I expected, this makes the M3 Pro maybe not as bad a buy as I thought! The 11 core model with only 5 P cores probably loses a bunch of performance I'm guessing though :/
Went ahead and bought the base model 16" M3 Pro (from M1 13" MacBook Pro) even though 16" M2 Pro units are discounted everywhere in my country. The slightly brighter display, significant energy efficiency factor plus ray tracing, mesh shaders, dynamic caching, 2GB extra ram, etc. will be taken advantage of in the future and I don't wanna miss out on that since I do game occasionally. But more so for the battery life, that was a huge deal for me. I'm very happy with it thus far. No regrets... ...well, maybe the weight and overall size of it but the size of the display is liberating. You win some, you lose some.
I’m curious if the 14-inch models last shorter than the 13-inch model due to the ProMotion or not. So it would be good if you tell us more about the configurations of the 4k video. Also, it would also be good to run a test with a 1080hd video as well.
I think this is THE BEST review I have came across for these macbook reviews. Others just focus on benchmarks that means S**T for normal user. Luke explained everything in very easy to understand terms and is spot on on M2 pro recommendation.
I think you should equalize screen brightness when running these sorts of tests. I don't know if you did, you didn't mention it. Seems like you might've been at max brigthness. But it could very well impact the performance of the M3 Pro battery.
If you’re upgrading from the M2 Pro, there’s basically no jump in performance. The cores are better but the efficiency cores just offset that improvement. But you can’t say no to the extra battery life. So, if you upgrade from anything other than an M2 pro or max, the jump is significant.
If I’m Apple marketing team. I would sit down asap. Then explain to my teams. BUYING A LAPTOP SHOULDN’T BE THIS DIFFICULT. They have people researching like it’s a classified alien project just to spend a whole lot of money for these products. The only reason they can get away with this now is because they gapped others in performance specifications. But they will not last long with this scheme. Unless others don’t step their ram game up. Thanks for the video btw! Clarifies a lot!
I would love to see a battery test with the 16” vs 14” base. Since they are advertised as having the same battery life. Also testing the m2 pro 16” vs new 14” base as those are the 2 laptops I’m debating on buying. As always great info Luke!
9:45 well, this makes sense as the screen is not as demanding as any of the other ones. 10:28 the temp differences are also massive, the M2 chip runs 10°C hotter according to your menu bar tool.
Thx for luke and greg quick cross comparison videos🎞️🎬 finally give some glipse of taste, clues for m3 pro performance & possible products with price differation tag position across m1-3 product line💻, keep up the good work👨🏻💻👍🏻 waiting for sam work!😆
I would be interested in seeing the M3 Max chip go up against a pc with a 4090 in it against c4d and blender. Since ray tracing is a thing on the m chip it would be great to see an in depth comparison against NVIDIA.
Staying super happy with my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14 (full spec CPU, 32 GB of RAM and 4TB SSD). Should serve well for years to come. *Just figured out I was not subscribed to the channel, while Luke consistently provides some of the best Mac hardware comparisons out there.👍 Fixed the omission.🤝
Okay - So - The morning of the M3 release I purchased an M2 Pro 14 inch for $1799.00 (not knowing the release was coming) By the time the release happened my box was on it's way. The new M3 Pro 14 inch was $1999.00. I stressed a little but after doing a little research decided to keep the M2 Pro. I have Apple techs for friends and they advised me to keep the M2 Pro. Your video is yet another confirmation that I'm good to go. Thanks for sharing your findings.
Awesome video. I have the M2 Pro and it’s FAR more power than I’ll ever need. I think the only people who’d see a difference between the M2/M3 series chips are the people who’ll push these machines to their absolute limits
If you look closely at the Tomb Raider benchmark, it looks like the M3 might be in a different mode, "Composited" instead of "Direct", that may explain some of the fps difference. Also the M3 may have a lower average fps but it does appear to have better frame pacing judging from the graph.
8:25 This lines up with my early guesses that reduction in p cores but increase in e cores should result in battery gains. Yes performance obviously takes a hit, but the improvements made to the core speeds on top of 3nm and any other internal tweaks should mean that it drains less power in heavy tasks and that light tasks can be done quicker and thus return to idle faster and save battery.
QUESTION! I’m considering selling my trusty M1 Macbook Air with 16gb ram and getting 14” M3 Pro (either binned or unbinned). What do you think? Would that be a significant upgrade?
I just bought a refurbished 14” M2 Pro because I figured it would be better than the M3 base, for the same price. So far, it seems like that was a good choice.
Tbh the M2 pro already has incredible battery life anyway, so it’s not that big a deal. How long do you really need to run it unplugged? It can already go a full day on some pretty intensive workloads. It’s not worth the extra cost, as Luke says I’d get the M2 pro discounted
@@a1white It depends on if you're buying a device to keep long term. So more battery time without a charge means less charge charge cycles overall. This should in theory mean longer lasting battery over the lifetime of your usage.
It would be interesting to see if there is any difference in performance - and fan action - when plugged in, with either a full battery or charging. Also how much does the brightness setting affect battery life?
My conclusion differs a bit. Yes, the M3 MBP is impressive, but if you spec it with 16 gigs (which I feel is a must for most serious work) it comes just 200 bucks cheaper than the binned M3 Pro MBP. At that point you might as well take the extra TB port plus bigger GPU, the extra CPU core and 2 gigs of "free" extra ram - so imho the M3 Pro binned version is the device to get when it comes to bang for the buck other than just raw performance. Also: there might really be is no tangible reason to upgrade from M2 Pro to M3 Pro, but if you consider spending real money, I'd still get the more recent machine for things like RT support and AV1 codecs as adoption takes up some speed. That being said: if you can snipe an M2 Pro machine for like 1500 bucks ..... no reason not to get it.
You kept saying M3 Pro was a dud but the Blendr performance seemed significantly better. Am I missing something here? I want to buy a machine for Blendr but struggling with the price so considering Base M3 or M2 Pro or even waiting for M3 Air. I'm really confused at the moment.
Considering the results of the experimental/beta ray tracing, go for M3 or M3 Pro. I agree that this part was glossed over, that is something that he should have highlighted more, and a pretty good indicator that the M3 Pro will probably be considerably better than M2 Pro once optimized software starts rolling out from application vendors.
@@mattoguz2021 Thanks, I’ll keep watching a few more benchmarks. Challenge is I don’t wanna go below 30g ram or 2T storage but Apple tax for upgrading is just criminal. Add to that Australian pricing, it’s crazy, I’m looking at $5-$6k.
Big Thank You for MetalRT test in Blender. Upcoming version 4.0 will have this option enabled for M3 chips by default. Hardware accelerated rendering is quite a thing in 3d world.
I’ve think if you do not have any of the MC laptops and you’re looking to go up to a pro model the N3 pro is a good model. Yes it has pretty much the same performance and the CPU department to the M2 Pro and does take a little bit of a hit in the GPU department versus the M2 Pro, but unless you’re doing heavy, GPU bounded workloads that increase in battery life efficiency is definitely Worth a couple hundred bucks that go into getting it. Whereas I genuinely don’t know what the base M3 is really for personally.
Luke, please post tonight? I’ve been waiting for your next blockbuster all day. Pretty please 🙏 😢 By the way, this was a great video. I was sick yesterday so I was all messed up but I watched it today and I remember I literally said, “Wow, M3 Pro is like an i7, M3 Max is an i9, and M3 is an i5. That’s what Apple’s trying to do!” Anyway just wanted to share my thoughts. And I hope you post tonight too
It's funny, I watched the same tests, and came to a different conclusion. I leaned toward the M3 Pro as the one to buy. You came to the conclusion that the M2 Pro was the one to buy. - Neither is wrong. It's more about what the user values more. I valued the battery life above all and gave extra points for the added future proofing the updated graphics with ray tracing will bring. For your take, you valued bang for buck more. A completely valid point. - Which leads me to my go-to response when people ask what's the best computer to buy. It's less about what is the "Best Computer", but rather which is best for you. Which will excel in the categories that mean the most to you.
Looking at the m3 pro mostly here. Use case is webb development mostly. What i want/need is: 1. Highest possible single core performance. 2. Minimum 32gb ram. 3. Minimum 2 external screens. 4. Good battery life. I could not care less about the GPU and CPU core setups between the chips. If the regular m3 could have more ram and supported 2 screens i would be looking at that. Feels bad having to pay extra for all these cpu and gpu cores. I do not care att all they are fewer then m2 pro. But yeah i think i will stick with my m1 pro 14 for this generation. Im very happy with it and it is to much money to upgrade.
🔴🔴🔴🔴 THIS IS THE KIND OF REVIEW WE "NEED"!! Thanks Luke! This is something a lot of review channels need to bring their standards up to I hope channels like @MaxTechOfficial really puts some content in their videos instead of click baiting for eye balls/pretty videos. You deserve every follower you've got and more! 🔴🔴🔴
Thank you so much my friend! Finally a comparison of my m2 pro 12 cores/19gpu vs equivalent m3 pro 12 cores/18gpu... after this scary strategy of downgrade m2 line in just 9 months obviously because of Qualcomm event... I am really more calm now because as you show my computer is equivalent to m3 pro 12 cores/18gpu... battery maybe significantly noticeable difference but face to face they are very similar... thanks Jeez 😁 Keep on Luke !!! 🤗
I'm still rocking my M1 Mini. It's still a great little machine, but after Sonoma feels a bit more sluggish (be design, I'm sure.) But I *really* want an M3 (either Pro or Max). Problem is that I have my whole setup with 2 displays, etc. and have no interest in an M3 Laptop as my daily driver. I'm annoyed that the Mini got no love yet (I read they might have an M3 in the Mini late next year?!) Even the iMac is still stuck on a 24" display and a "plain" M3. Ugh... I'll probably never have anything other than a Mini in my Apple life unless they offer a 27" iMac and the M3 Pro/Max variants.
Thank you for this! I am getting 14” M2 Pro 1TB/16GB, new on huuuuge discount 🎉. BTW. M2 Pro is better for music production in Ableton and Logic Pro because those DAW’s are using mostly only Performance Cores! Efficiency cores are chilling… I don’t know why it is like this but this is key factor where M2 Pro and even M1 Pro have much better performance in those programs. I think this is valuable information and for me it was key difference.
I've been waiting for this video! My youngest is ready to switch to Mac OS like his 3 brothers but I'm not sure the M3 Pro is the right choice. We can wait on the M4. I don't think anyone has shown actually using the RT so that makes the decision a little more difficult but the information is VERY helpful! Thank you Luke!
I have had a love hate relationship with macs, but have owned iphones consistently for the last 8 years. The issue I have is that the new macs have horrible price scaling and since I do a ton of really heavy video editing, some heavy duty photo editing and also do quite a lot of formatting of books for printing and etc I tend to suck up ram, and would need like 32-64gb ram minimum for my work and im not willing to pay the apple tax for ram. When doubling ram is $50-75 on a pc it doesnt make any sense for apples ram which is slower than my desktop ram to cost more.
@@pilsplease7561all you said is understandable and relatable. Except, the memory on Macs is VRAM fast, way faster than even the fastest ram on a PC. Cheers.
The thing is that its not that fast, its still LPDDR5 ram, its not anywhere near VRAM fast. GDDR6 is way faster than apples ram. My desktop ram is clocked at 7000mhz the ram in the macs is nowhere near as fast, my pc simply put has higher bandwith and will perform better in nearly every category except for power use and raw efficiency per watt. The ram bandwith is 150gb on the m3 series as a whole. Thats really low, my pc is pulling like 450gb and my vram on my gpu is closer to 550gb so mac has far lower bandwith. @@DavideDavini
@@pilsplease7561 The M1 Max has 512-bit LPDDR5 SDRAM memory, 400GB/s if I recall correctly. I don't understand where you got 450GB/s on your DDR5 ram... the figures that I found are way lower. Can you please give a reputable source for that? Cheers mate. Edit: typos Edit2: As far as I found PCs have 64-bit DDR5 memory for 64GB GB/s. Happy to read otherwise form a reputable source.
You left out the 15-20% performance gain in single core of the M3 Pro to the M2 Pro. For 90% of tasks that many users (including many "Pro") users are doing, SC performance (and by extension, MC performance that isn't heavily optimized) is still the most relevant. Those benchmarks show a use case that is pretty narrow. Personally, I think the M3 Pro is in a great spot; almost 20% faster than M2 Pro in SC, still ~5% faster in MC, similar GPU performance but with new features, but almost as efficient as the base M3 (and the 11C version will get even better battery life than the 12C).
Nice video! One essential point here is also that only 'Pro' and 'Max' support natively multiple external screens (aka without software emulation), which is an absolute need for most 'pro' applications imo (could be video or music) ; I am considering take the M3 Pro for this only reasons but still hesitating....
Why did Apple do what they did with the M3 Pro versus the M2 Pro? Because they screwed up with the M1 Pro/Max and didn't properly differentiate the two versions of the chip, which made the Max a less compelling upgrade than it would have been otherwise. That is no longer a problem going forward.
Buying a laptop in 2023 is a nightmare...
True. Just copy the RUclips transcripts from Luke’s tests (when he’s done them all) and bang them inti ChatGPT 4. Then you can discuss it in real time as though Luke was sat in your room with you.
They are all great choices. Get more than 8GB of unified memory if you are doing something serious and you can afford it.
Would you rather be in 2019?
Depends on what your work / intention is centered around I think.
Just buy a iPad Pro , legit. If you want a powerful laptop, just get what works and is powerful. Get AMD cpu and RTX gpu
Finally, someone who showed RENDER times instead of EXPORT times on Final Cut! Such a good benchmark to show the performance on usage while editing.
The battery test was excellent. I like that you had a performance oriented and a general use RUclips video oriented test. Most of my battery life is spent watching RUclips videos since I let them play for long times in the background but obviously when you're doing important work you also don't want your battery to die really quickly I would like to know more about the battery health of the M2 laptops, and I also think it would be worth mentioning the brightness of the screen since doubling the refresh rate and increasing the maximum brightness may have impacted the battery life compared to the original M2 MacBook Pro.
You are talk exactly like my intressed things and I have the same problems with the battery and the only ques and biggest issue haha like you’ strange !! … you comment exactly what I will comment 🤣🤣👍 😎👌
The battery life test is really good. I was wondering about that. Having such dramatic superior battery life for the M3 pro vs M2 pro is will sway buyers to M3Pro.
I mean, it has not been really promoted by Apple in its marketing material for the m2 Pro having the same battery expectation as the m3 max
@@danielcontenteromanzini817Yeah I find that very weird considering the M3 pro seems to have a pretty significant jump in battery life over the m2 pro
@@Drae2212 Apple's battery life claims are mostly strategic. They want to make it seem like you're not compromising on battery when you go from M3 Pro to M3 Max, even though there will be a noticeable difference. The M3 Pro is very close to the M3 in terms of battery life (as this test showed, even with the 12C M3 Pro), while the M3 Max is worse than the M2 Max was according to other tests. Battery life really scales with the number of performance cores, that's just how it is.
@@Drae2212 Apple never advertises battery life for intensive tasks, their benchmarks are either playing a video for a long time or refreshing a few webpages. In that regard, there's not so much difference between M2 Pro and M3 Pro. I think Apple doesn't want the user to think that there'd be a big difference between an "intense" use case and a standard one. Because it would generate buyer anxiety: "is what I'm doing an intense task?", "how much battery will I, with my specific needs, will have?". Those are all valid questions, but Apple probably doesn't want to put a "3 hours maxed-out gaming" on their product page next to the current "18 hours watching Apple TV+".
Exactly my thought process. M3pro having superior battery life will have buyers going for that. It's one of the main selling points.
It does seem the only laptop that represents good value is probably the baseline Max... If you want the Pro you may as well get a refurb M2 Pro.
Or even a refurb MAX - I got mine for a super deal in June.
@@aelaan12 M2 Max? - the M3 Max is 50% faster, it's a HUGE leap over the M2 Max, the biggest we've seen in a long time.
@@DigiDriftZonemore than 50% in CPU tasks
Just RUclipsrs flexing. Ignore. Unless you can get an M2 Max at 40% discount it’s meaningless comparing.
@@DigiDriftZone50% faster, but when you're talking about rendering times I was like 3 minutes versus one and a half minutes. That doesn't mean a whole lot to the end user. Obviously that depends on how much work you're doing, but for any singular consumer.... I don't know how much that performance pump will matter
Thanks, this is one of more useful reviews I seen so far in M3 Pro. Keep up the good work! It's highly appreciated.
Interesting question: How would M3 compare to M1 Pro? Also, is M3 Pro better than a chip like M1 Max?
Yes, this!! Most people aren't upgrading their Macs yearly. Hell, before I bought my current M1 Max MBP in 2021, I was still using a 2015 MBP! While I understand the comparison to the last gen chip, that isn't the reality for the majority of the market. I would like to see a comparison between the last gen Intel MBP, an M1 Pro and M1 Max, and, sure, throw in M2 chips for giggles. I think the M3 generation is when a lot of people still holding on to their last Intel machines will make the switch.
This is my biggest question. The only people who upgrade computers every year are RUclips reviewers haha I have an m1pro, and while I don’t need an update, idk, I’m curious
I'm in on this vote too - M1 Pro MBP for me....and it does what I need it to do. But I also have the M2 Pro Mini (base binned chip). I have a feeling that we could see some good gains from M1 Pro to M3 Pro, but I want to say that I'm thinking that most of us who may be on the fence should wait until the new Pro Minis and the Studio get updated before we diving into paying Apple more money for a laptop. I think the Max chip is going to be a super beast and our money would be better spent on the Studio if we are looking at the graphical benefits to the M3.
I don’t have stats - but I noticed a significant increase in compile times, and ended my day with about 60% on my m3 pro vs i averaged 20% on my m1 base, that could be due to increased render time resulting in less high power usage, not sure. Look forward to someone testing
I saw a reviewer put an M1 Pro vs m3 max and the differences weren’t that drastic in his benchmarks like exporting
What is also important to note is that some programs can only make use of performance cores, so the M3 Pro will have significantly worse performance. Audio DAW's like Logic Pro and Ableton only use performance cores, while Reaper can use all of them.
Big tings
You’re the only one to mention the programs I’ll be using most. I’ll be jumping in and out of Fl studio and Pro tools for hours on end. Would I be better off getting an M2 pro MacBook? The M2 pro with the specs I want comes out $2000. The same price as the baseline M3 pro specs. Should I go ahead and get the M3 since it’s the same price? Or will the M2 pro give me better performance/longevity? Thanks if you end up replying!
@@GoB1996 Hi, It seems the channel I have been following regarding this subject just uploaded a video about this: ruclips.net/video/FSqX4bt9to4/видео.html
I haven't watched it yet but I think it may help with your purchasing decisions. I predict that the M2 Pro will be the better buy overall, M3 only has the benefit of AV1 encoding and ray-tracing.
@@thofra0117 thank you so much! Definitely helped me with my decision.
@@GoB1996 Happy that I could help! :)
Please include the M1 series as well as the M2 because it'll be fascinating to see if there are any real gains overall. It could help me decide if I'll just get an M1 pro or M1 Pro Max 👍🏻
Not sure why getting the M1 Pro or Max if it does not worth it now... the M2 Pro or Max will be almost the same price as the M1... And newer hardware, less usage and will be better than getting a refurbished/used M1.
Thank you for this because everyone just keeps testing the fully decked out Max chips that most people aren't buying. Been looking to get a Pro series chip.
because apple only sent them max review units. You can clearly see in this video why.
I just bought an Apple Refurbished 14” M1 Pro Max for $1600. It had 7 cycles, and looks pristine cosmetically speaking. That said, I’m more than satisfied with the value/savings 💪🏼
Where i can find those deals, beside Apple/Amazon?
That’s an awesome deal
Well…to be fair the original battery was likely replaced. The battery ought to be the main component replaced in a refurb.
The M1 is a fantastic chip. That machine will remain relevant for many years.
@@arvenes5921 Backmarket
I ordered an M3 pro last week and it’s coming on the 19th, thanks for this video! Even if it’s not a monumental upgrade it’s still really good from updating from a 9900k I’ve been using for almost 5 years
Hey! What made you buy the M3 Pro over the M2 Pro? Everyone keeps saying the M3 Pro is a bad deal, but I don't quite understand it, I mean it got 200$ cheaper while still having somewhat the same performance as the M2 Pro. Yes you would get the M2 Pro cheaper than the M3 Pro now, but now the M2 Pro also isn't the newest Mac anymore, meaning you won't get updates as long as with the M3 Pro.
@@mypicturesbox Its the newest model and why not get it right at the beginning on its life cycle to upgrade from my 9900K pc. I got the M3 Pro 12 Core with 36GB RAM and 512GB (I got 512 Cause the storage doesn't have issues and I can use my 16TB home network drive) and its been great so far, I'm replying to this on it right now
Edit:
I do admit it was very expensive
I would love to see the M1 pro trotted back out to test against the newer M SoCs, especially considering how good it was at entry level (m1 pro chip, 16 gb unified memory, 512 gb ssd)
Agreed
Same here
agreed. Comeon luke!!
Same
Would be nice to see a multitasking stress test comparison! M3 vs M3 pro: how the temps compare, memory swap etc
If you have M1 Pro/Max I think it would be really useful to include those in your next video with the M2/M3 Pro/Max. A lot of people with M1 will be wanting to know if it's worth the upgrade to an M3.
In short: M3 and M3 Max are both good upgrades from the M1 equivalents, the M3 Pro is not.
yes please make a M1 family vs M2 family vs M3 family shotout
Yes, i think more people will be considering an upgrade from an M1 Pro to one of the new MBPs, people with M2 Pro are surely more likely to stay put.
Yes please include the M1 Max. Also, it’s so weird (and great!) seeing my home Piha Beach onscreen in your FCP tests. If I’d known you were coming I’d have shouted you a beer at the pub!!
In short for the money? Not worth upgrading from anything. Unless you’re making money from your mac or using it for videogames (terrible value for that) then it’s not worth buying anything new.
Thank you for your video. It provided an in-depth and fascinating review that I found extremely insightful. Keep up the great work; I’m always eager to see content like this that’s both informative and engaging.
I jumped from the m1 base to the m3 pro 32gb 16inch, and I love the change. Today was my first full day using it for work, and left the day at about 60% when it is normally about at about 20% on the m1. Fantastic boost. I think the E cores verses the P cores was a great idea.
What are you using your machine for and I assume you went for 36GB RAM, where do you see most of your RAM being consumed.
Regarding battery life, do you remember have well the battery held up when the M1 was new?
Do you have the 11 core or 12 core m3 pro? I wonder if the the m3 pro with less cores has better battery life.
And you mean the 14 inch MacBook Pro right?
Love how this comment is actually useful
@@kamranmirza533716 inch comes with the 12 core M3 Pro as the minimum config.
@@kamranmirza5337 Yes, I moved from the 14 inch to the 16 inch m3 pro. I have the higher core count, and im not sure the difference between those two models as far as battery, I wouldn't think it would make more than a percent or two different, especially depending on load.
Hey Luke! Just curious, did you take charge cycle count/battery health into consideration to offset the battery life test results seeing as the M2s are older? 🙂
Yeah, I was thinking the same but considering that the m2pro is 10 months old, then the battery should be very deteriorated.
@@ZeroRoyI have an M1 pro that's still at 98% capacity. Unless he's been putting his M2s through the grinder, it's possible his figures are still within a couple of points of new machines.
Best review on youtube! Couldn't find a comparison like this anywhere else on youtube
Please consider M1 Max vs M2 Max vs M3 Max. Since there are still new discounted M1 Max around for way cheaper or sane price as M2 pro or newest M3 base model.
Awesome in-depth review Luke! I love watching your videos!
best youtuber for macbooks comparasion. Thanks!
The battery test was very interesting. How did you account for battery health status on the older models? Were all the models brand new for these tests or did some models already have some battery wear prior to the tests?
Exactly my question
He doesn’t use those laptops other than for this kind of videos, they probably barely have any cycles
Great video, thanks! Definitely interested in thermals of the m3 max. I'm a software developer that would like a bit more than the 36GB which leaves just the max. I just hope the extra cores (which are awesome, by the way) won't lead to too much extra heat and fan noise.
I think reviewers concentrate too much on high performance. It‘s also a pro workflow to do many things in parallel. If you have for example a lot of office apps and browser tabs open, and maybe watching a video at the same time, most of these tasks probably will run on the efficiency cores and I guess the M3 Pro will have significant advantages here in terms of effieciency. So I would say the 3 Pro is for parallel workflows, while the 3 Max is for max performance workflows.
I bought the base M3 Pro specifically because the tradeoffs they made with it suit my needs, but admittedly I'm probably less bothered by the same-as-M2-Pro performance because I'm coming from a base M1 Air. From where I'm sitting with the M1, I'll get a massive performance bump and still retain nearly the same (incredible) battery life; that plus a bit more RAM and better SSD speeds on the base 512GB model when compared to the M2 Pro makes it worth it for my workloads (high-res RAW photo editing, music production, occasional 4K video production).
looks great, what about M2 Pro 10 CPU / 16 GPU compared vs M3 Pro 11 CPU / 14 GPU ?
Curious, what were the cycle counts on the M2 Pro? Kind of thinking that’s a variable that needs to be taken into consideration.
Exactly my thought
Apple's M3 MacBook Pro generation signifies a strategic shift rather than a mere upgrade. It's apparent that Apple deliberately toned down the capabilities of the M3 Pro models to sway power users toward the Max options. Meanwhile, the rationale behind Apple's seemingly flawed basic M2 Pro SSD speeds is now evident. This alteration allows Apple to assert improved performance over the M2 Pro, particularly given the previous generation's SSD performance issues when SWAP was activated. Had this not been the case, the base M2 Pro systems would actually have outperformed the M3 Pro options. Apple seemed to anticipate this and acted proactively ahead of the M3 release.
The M3 series has just been released. I won't be surprised to see improvements all round going forward via software updates.
6:20 I don't think it's an artificial threshold, it's because of the "version" of the 3N lithography they are using. They had 2 options, go for it now with a tech that has worse yields but it's ready or they would have to wait for the next one that is better optimized and has much better yields. They ended up choosing to launch now, so they are not getting as many good cores as they would otherwise, which also affects the memory bandwidth and, therefore the decrease in both.
You also have to factor in that N3 is crazy expensive...
No idea why they even bother calling it a pro with 8gb ram, entry level for these should be 16gb at least
Hi Luke, most of ppl that are going to switch are probably M1 users - testing these against M3 would be great 👍 thx for awesome content!
Can you please help shed some light on the impact that 16 GB vs 8GB on the base M3 chip… specifically for VRAM intensive tasks? I’m curious if 16 GB base M3 would provide benefits for the future of gaming on Apple silicon
Is it the M3 Pro with 11 CPU and 14 GPU cores or with 12 CPU and 18 GPU cores?
In the battery test, it would've been interesting to see a test in battery saving only with the efficient cores working, and see the behaviour differences between M2 Pro and M3 Pro
Great info.. confirms my decision to return the M3 Pro and get a used M2 pro..
I can sell u like brand new hehe
I code every day. A lot. Like most programmers, many tabs open, terminals, docker instances, etc. I am very disappointed in the M3 Pro. Originally bought a MBP M2 Pro due to chip architecture being superior with the entry model, but had to return due to sound issues and there were none left to exchange. My M1 Mac Mini I bought for $799 is outperforming my MBP M3 Pro ($1999). MBP M3 Pro is running the same code bases and has even less open and still does not perform as well. That modification of memory bandwidth is a real bottleneck for my workload. The performance cores is a cherry on top of another terrible decision. They're gouging their customers. Yes, the M1 (non Pro) is outperforming the M3 Pro..
You're my favorite apple youtuber, cause you're not afraid to call out their bullshit, while still enjoying their products. I'm not a huge fan of apple, but I gotta give them credit for apple silicon, while you can buy pc laptops of similar performance, none of them have the battery life of apple's. I owned a Gigabyte Aero 15 a while back with an i7 9750H and 1660ti, and that thing would barely get 2hrs when simply watching youtube, so 99% of the time I would keep it plugged in.
look forward to see the game comparison. im actually quite curious how the m1 pro wouldve stood in this test btw
You should make the wallpaper of each device the chip logo. Would make it easier to differentiate.
Thanks Luke. You already have a ray tracing benchmark - Cinebench 2024 has been updated to use the new M3 hardware RT. You also already have another - the updated 3DMark (iOS) has Solar Bay which uses MetalRT just swipe to the far left. Be sure to run all these in full-screen/game mode & highest power.
Congrats on finding the MetalRT option in Blender - most didn't. Beware Blender Benchmark as it doesn't use MetalRT yet.
I love the scene set-up at the end... sitting behind the four laptops and closing the lid on the non-recommended one.
What about the thermals between m2 and m3?
I don’t find the M3 Pro confusing at all. The new lineup is there to do one thing: differentiate the products across the product line. In the last two iterations, the Pro was not much different than the Max, with identical CPU cores, only differing in the Max having more GPU cores. Just as the iPhone 14 line was meant to separate the normal and pro lines with the iPhone 14’s getting the same A15 as the prior year with one more GPU core and the iPhone 14 Pros getting the A16, this year was meant to create a stepping stone in performance with the M3 -> M3 Pro -> M3 Max, all of them with gap performance and no confusion on which one is more powerful. Inevitably when rebalancing, one product is going to get less of an upgrade. Last year it was the iPhone 14. This year it was the M3 Pro.
One possibility is that Apple is going to reconfigure the iPad line next year, separating the Air from the Pro line dramatically. The Air will get the M3, but I think the reason for the shift to 6/6 cores with the M3 Pro was in preparation for putting the M3 Pro in the iPad Pro line. There will be a dramatic performance difference with no more confusion on the Air versus Pro argument. iPads are all about efficiency, so Apple is making the M3 Pro more efficient.
Well I understand that. CPU wise they were same. But if Apple kept 8 performance cores, same GPU as it has now, it will still be much behind Max but with better performance than M2 Pro and so, representing better value,
Look, Logic Pro is using performance cores only. m3 pro is much slower than M2 Pro in that App! That's a downgrade you are getting for more money. This is unacceptable
huh, the battery life gain was much better than I expected, this makes the M3 Pro maybe not as bad a buy as I thought! The 11 core model with only 5 P cores probably loses a bunch of performance I'm guessing though :/
Thx a lot for making these comparisons👍
Went ahead and bought the base model 16" M3 Pro (from M1 13" MacBook Pro) even though 16" M2 Pro units are discounted everywhere in my country.
The slightly brighter display, significant energy efficiency factor plus ray tracing, mesh shaders, dynamic caching, 2GB extra ram, etc. will be taken advantage of in the future and I don't wanna miss out on that since I do game occasionally.
But more so for the battery life, that was a huge deal for me. I'm very happy with it thus far. No regrets...
...well, maybe the weight and overall size of it but the size of the display is liberating. You win some, you lose some.
The M3 PRO MBP seems to have an amazing power to performance ratio. Same raw performance as the M2 Pro but similat efficiency to M3 🤯
I’m curious if the 14-inch models last shorter than the 13-inch model due to the ProMotion or not. So it would be good if you tell us more about the configurations of the 4k video. Also, it would also be good to run a test with a 1080hd video as well.
I think this is THE BEST review I have came across for these macbook reviews. Others just focus on benchmarks that means S**T for normal user. Luke explained everything in very easy to understand terms and is spot on on M2 pro recommendation.
Finally jumped from a 2017 MBP to a M3 Pro MBP and loving it.
I think you should equalize screen brightness when running these sorts of tests.
I don't know if you did, you didn't mention it. Seems like you might've been at max brigthness.
But it could very well impact the performance of the M3 Pro battery.
If you’re upgrading from the M2 Pro, there’s basically no jump in performance. The cores are better but the efficiency cores just offset that improvement. But you can’t say no to the extra battery life.
So, if you upgrade from anything other than an M2 pro or max, the jump is significant.
If I’m Apple marketing team. I would sit down asap. Then explain to my teams. BUYING A LAPTOP SHOULDN’T BE THIS DIFFICULT. They have people researching like it’s a classified alien project just to spend a whole lot of money for these products. The only reason they can get away with this now is because they gapped others in performance specifications. But they will not last long with this scheme. Unless others don’t step their ram game up. Thanks for the video btw! Clarifies a lot!
I would love to see a battery test with the 16” vs 14” base. Since they are advertised as having the same battery life. Also testing the m2 pro 16” vs new 14” base as those are the 2 laptops I’m debating on buying. As always great info Luke!
Thank you !! Finally a comparison between the m2 Pro 12 core vs M3 pro 12 core !!
9:45 well, this makes sense as the screen is not as demanding as any of the other ones. 10:28 the temp differences are also massive, the M2 chip runs 10°C hotter according to your menu bar tool.
Thx for luke and greg quick cross comparison videos🎞️🎬 finally give some glipse of taste, clues for m3 pro performance & possible products with price differation tag position across m1-3 product line💻, keep up the good work👨🏻💻👍🏻 waiting for sam work!😆
I would be interested in seeing the M3 Max chip go up against a pc with a 4090 in it against c4d and blender.
Since ray tracing is a thing on the m chip it would be great to see an in depth comparison against NVIDIA.
This!
LoL
Staying super happy with my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14 (full spec CPU, 32 GB of RAM and 4TB SSD).
Should serve well for years to come.
*Just figured out I was not subscribed to the channel, while Luke consistently provides some of the best Mac hardware comparisons out there.👍 Fixed the omission.🤝
Okay - So - The morning of the M3 release I purchased an M2 Pro 14 inch for $1799.00 (not knowing the release was coming) By the time the release happened my box was on it's way. The new M3 Pro 14 inch was $1999.00. I stressed a little but after doing a little research decided to keep the M2 Pro. I have Apple techs for friends and they advised me to keep the M2 Pro. Your video is yet another confirmation that I'm good to go. Thanks for sharing your findings.
Awesome video. I have the M2 Pro and it’s FAR more power than I’ll ever need. I think the only people who’d see a difference between the M2/M3 series chips are the people who’ll push these machines to their absolute limits
I just bought a barely used m2 MacBook Pro with 16 GB ram and 1 TB SSD for 1000 usd so I think at that price that's the best deal
I would like to see a comparison test with Logic Pro X
If you look closely at the Tomb Raider benchmark, it looks like the M3 might be in a different mode, "Composited" instead of "Direct", that may explain some of the fps difference. Also the M3 may have a lower average fps but it does appear to have better frame pacing judging from the graph.
8:25 This lines up with my early guesses that reduction in p cores but increase in e cores should result in battery gains. Yes performance obviously takes a hit, but the improvements made to the core speeds on top of 3nm and any other internal tweaks should mean that it drains less power in heavy tasks and that light tasks can be done quicker and thus return to idle faster and save battery.
QUESTION! I’m considering selling my trusty M1 Macbook Air with 16gb ram and getting 14” M3 Pro (either binned or unbinned). What do you think? Would that be a significant upgrade?
I just bought a refurbished 14” M2 Pro because I figured it would be better than the M3 base, for the same price. So far, it seems like that was a good choice.
I loved the way you put efforts into different types of test to make conclusions
Exactly what I was counting on for the M3 pro. Insanely more efficient so way better battery life than the M2 pro
Except he hasn't stated what the wear on the M2 Pro battery is.
Tbh the M2 pro already has incredible battery life anyway, so it’s not that big a deal. How long do you really need to run it unplugged? It can already go a full day on some pretty intensive workloads. It’s not worth the extra cost, as Luke says I’d get the M2 pro discounted
@@a1white It depends on if you're buying a device to keep long term. So more battery time without a charge means less charge charge cycles overall. This should in theory mean longer lasting battery over the lifetime of your usage.
@@a1white too late already have the M3 pro.
It would be interesting to see if there is any difference in performance - and fan action - when plugged in, with either a full battery or charging. Also how much does the brightness setting affect battery life?
Another good video, Luke - but I clicked the like for the "I dunno"....that was gold.
Thank you for addressing battery life. This has been the burning question in the back of my mind!
My conclusion differs a bit. Yes, the M3 MBP is impressive, but if you spec it with 16 gigs (which I feel is a must for most serious work) it comes just 200 bucks cheaper than the binned M3 Pro MBP. At that point you might as well take the extra TB port plus bigger GPU, the extra CPU core and 2 gigs of "free" extra ram - so imho the M3 Pro binned version is the device to get when it comes to bang for the buck other than just raw performance. Also: there might really be is no tangible reason to upgrade from M2 Pro to M3 Pro, but if you consider spending real money, I'd still get the more recent machine for things like RT support and AV1 codecs as adoption takes up some speed. That being said: if you can snipe an M2 Pro machine for like 1500 bucks ..... no reason not to get it.
Well said. Also, both M2/M3 Pro support two external monitors (as well as 8k60/4k240 HDMI) vs. one for the M3.
Oh right. That actually is a big deal. Good catch!
What about neural performance?
You kept saying M3 Pro was a dud but the Blendr performance seemed significantly better. Am I missing something here? I want to buy a machine for Blendr but struggling with the price so considering Base M3 or M2 Pro or even waiting for M3 Air. I'm really confused at the moment.
Considering the results of the experimental/beta ray tracing, go for M3 or M3 Pro. I agree that this part was glossed over, that is something that he should have highlighted more, and a pretty good indicator that the M3 Pro will probably be considerably better than M2 Pro once optimized software starts rolling out from application vendors.
@@mattoguz2021 Thanks, I’ll keep watching a few more benchmarks. Challenge is I don’t wanna go below 30g ram or 2T storage but Apple tax for upgrading is just criminal. Add to that Australian pricing, it’s crazy, I’m looking at $5-$6k.
Big Thank You for MetalRT test in Blender. Upcoming version 4.0 will have this option enabled for M3 chips by default. Hardware accelerated rendering is quite a thing in 3d world.
I’ve think if you do not have any of the MC laptops and you’re looking to go up to a pro model the N3 pro is a good model. Yes it has pretty much the same performance and the CPU department to the M2 Pro and does take a little bit of a hit in the GPU department versus the M2 Pro, but unless you’re doing heavy, GPU bounded workloads that increase in battery life efficiency is definitely Worth a couple hundred bucks that go into getting it. Whereas I genuinely don’t know what the base M3 is really for personally.
What’s worse is base M3 Pro comes with bin-chip with 11 CPU-Cores and 14 GPU-Cores
It’s not reallly that confusing at all, they gave lots of options is all💁 not that confusing lol
Luke, please post tonight? I’ve been waiting for your next blockbuster all day. Pretty please 🙏 😢
By the way, this was a great video. I was sick yesterday so I was all messed up but I watched it today and I remember I literally said, “Wow, M3 Pro is like an i7, M3 Max is an i9, and M3 is an i5. That’s what Apple’s trying to do!” Anyway just wanted to share my thoughts. And I hope you post tonight too
Thanks for the video Mr Luke Miani
It's funny, I watched the same tests, and came to a different conclusion. I leaned toward the M3 Pro as the one to buy. You came to the conclusion that the M2 Pro was the one to buy. - Neither is wrong. It's more about what the user values more. I valued the battery life above all and gave extra points for the added future proofing the updated graphics with ray tracing will bring. For your take, you valued bang for buck more. A completely valid point. - Which leads me to my go-to response when people ask what's the best computer to buy. It's less about what is the "Best Computer", but rather which is best for you. Which will excel in the categories that mean the most to you.
Looking at the m3 pro mostly here.
Use case is webb development mostly.
What i want/need is:
1. Highest possible single core performance.
2. Minimum 32gb ram.
3. Minimum 2 external screens.
4. Good battery life.
I could not care less about the GPU and CPU core setups between the chips.
If the regular m3 could have more ram and supported 2 screens i would be looking at that.
Feels bad having to pay extra for all these cpu and gpu cores. I do not care att all they are fewer then m2 pro.
But yeah i think i will stick with my m1 pro 14 for this generation. Im very happy with it and it is to much money to upgrade.
🔴🔴🔴🔴 THIS IS THE KIND OF REVIEW WE "NEED"!! Thanks Luke! This is something a lot of review channels need to bring their standards up to I hope channels like @MaxTechOfficial really puts some content in their videos instead of click baiting for eye balls/pretty videos. You deserve every follower you've got and more! 🔴🔴🔴
Thank you so much my friend! Finally a comparison of my m2 pro 12 cores/19gpu vs equivalent m3 pro 12 cores/18gpu... after this scary strategy of downgrade m2 line in just 9 months obviously because of Qualcomm event... I am really more calm now because as you show my computer is equivalent to m3 pro 12 cores/18gpu... battery maybe significantly noticeable difference but face to face they are very similar... thanks Jeez 😁 Keep on Luke !!! 🤗
I wonder what impact the age of the battery has on your tests? Assuming the M2 and M2 Pro devices are not brand new.
I'm still rocking my M1 Mini. It's still a great little machine, but after Sonoma feels a bit more sluggish (be design, I'm sure.) But I *really* want an M3 (either Pro or Max). Problem is that I have my whole setup with 2 displays, etc. and have no interest in an M3 Laptop as my daily driver. I'm annoyed that the Mini got no love yet (I read they might have an M3 in the Mini late next year?!) Even the iMac is still stuck on a 24" display and a "plain" M3. Ugh... I'll probably never have anything other than a Mini in my Apple life unless they offer a 27" iMac and the M3 Pro/Max variants.
I accidentally upgraded to Ventura 13.6 (M1 MBA 16/512) instead of Sonoma, it still works like a champ
Thank you for this! I am getting 14” M2 Pro 1TB/16GB, new on huuuuge discount 🎉. BTW. M2 Pro is better for music production in Ableton and Logic Pro because those DAW’s are using mostly only Performance Cores! Efficiency cores are chilling… I don’t know why it is like this but this is key factor where M2 Pro and even M1 Pro have much better performance in those programs. I think this is valuable information and for me it was key difference.
I've been waiting for this video! My youngest is ready to switch to Mac OS like his 3 brothers but I'm not sure the M3 Pro is the right choice. We can wait on the M4. I don't think anyone has shown actually using the RT so that makes the decision a little more difficult but the information is VERY helpful! Thank you Luke!
I have had a love hate relationship with macs, but have owned iphones consistently for the last 8 years. The issue I have is that the new macs have horrible price scaling and since I do a ton of really heavy video editing, some heavy duty photo editing and also do quite a lot of formatting of books for printing and etc I tend to suck up ram, and would need like 32-64gb ram minimum for my work and im not willing to pay the apple tax for ram. When doubling ram is $50-75 on a pc it doesnt make any sense for apples ram which is slower than my desktop ram to cost more.
@@pilsplease7561all you said is understandable and relatable. Except, the memory on Macs is VRAM fast, way faster than even the fastest ram on a PC.
Cheers.
The thing is that its not that fast, its still LPDDR5 ram, its not anywhere near VRAM fast. GDDR6 is way faster than apples ram. My desktop ram is clocked at 7000mhz the ram in the macs is nowhere near as fast, my pc simply put has higher bandwith and will perform better in nearly every category except for power use and raw efficiency per watt. The ram bandwith is 150gb on the m3 series as a whole. Thats really low, my pc is pulling like 450gb and my vram on my gpu is closer to 550gb so mac has far lower bandwith. @@DavideDavini
@@pilsplease7561 The M1 Max has 512-bit LPDDR5 SDRAM memory, 400GB/s if I recall correctly. I don't understand where you got 450GB/s on your DDR5 ram... the figures that I found are way lower. Can you please give a reputable source for that?
Cheers mate.
Edit: typos
Edit2: As far as I found PCs have 64-bit DDR5 memory for 64GB GB/s. Happy to read otherwise form a reputable source.
My source is the manufacturer lol and basic math on it. @@DavideDavini
Could the difference between the m2 pro and m3 pro be from the lower available bandwidth in m3pro?
Should we get M1 Pro Max 16” or M3 Pro 14”/16”?
Please help!! 🙌🏻
60 hz refresh rate in iPhone
8GB ram in MacBook (pro)
Apple team has a sober 😅
I'm not sure why you even do benchmarks... I buy my laptops based solely on case color. It's M3 Pro in Space Black all the way for me.
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You left out the 15-20% performance gain in single core of the M3 Pro to the M2 Pro. For 90% of tasks that many users (including many "Pro") users are doing, SC performance (and by extension, MC performance that isn't heavily optimized) is still the most relevant. Those benchmarks show a use case that is pretty narrow. Personally, I think the M3 Pro is in a great spot; almost 20% faster than M2 Pro in SC, still ~5% faster in MC, similar GPU performance but with new features, but almost as efficient as the base M3 (and the 11C version will get even better battery life than the 12C).
Nice video! One essential point here is also that only 'Pro' and 'Max' support natively multiple external screens (aka without software emulation), which is an absolute need for most 'pro' applications imo (could be video or music) ; I am considering take the M3 Pro for this only reasons but still hesitating....
Thank for your work. It helps me a lot 🤔😉.
M2 vs M3 : same battery life but better performance for M3.
M2 PRO vs M3 PRO : same performance but better battery life for M3 PRO.
I just got a good deal on a M2 Pro. Should be a nice upgrade from my 2014 MacBook 😊
Why did Apple do what they did with the M3 Pro versus the M2 Pro? Because they screwed up with the M1 Pro/Max and didn't properly differentiate the two versions of the chip, which made the Max a less compelling upgrade than it would have been otherwise. That is no longer a problem going forward.